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Speaker 2: On this Wednesday, people fired up over Bill Belichick. Did

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Speaker 2: Bill Belichick actually have a good day yesterday? I know

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Speaker 2: he didn't get into the Hall of Fame, should have

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Speaker 2: gotten into the Hall of Fame, but it feels like

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Speaker 2: the outcry and the reminders of just how great Bill

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Speaker 2: Belichick was in his coaching career. We'll talk to two

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Speaker 2: of the voters coming up South pal Antonio a little

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Speaker 2: bit later on, and we'll check in with Armando Salgero,

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Speaker 2: a senior NFL writer for OutKick dot Com and he

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Speaker 2: has been covering the NFL since nineteen ninety. And also

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Speaker 2: I think that Armando presented the case for Bill Belichick

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Speaker 2: in front of the committee, so he'll join us.

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Speaker 2: the official trading cards of the program. Whole question for

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Speaker 2: hour one, we'll clean up that seat, and what do

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Speaker 2: we have for hour two as well? Yeah, we got

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Speaker 2: two of them up there right now.

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Speaker 4: We have Bill Belichick is not a first ballot home

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Speaker 4: Hall of Famer because this one's from Paul Spygate slash

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Speaker 4: to fleet Gate, how he treated the media or Bill

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Speaker 4: Pollian got payback.

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Speaker 2: Well, we don't know for sure if Bill Pollion, the

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Speaker 2: former general manager who's in the Hall of Fame, voted

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Speaker 2: for Bill Belichick, because Bill Pollion said, I'm not one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent sure if I voted for Bill.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna have to tell the audience because he's winning

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Speaker 4: the pole question right now about forty percent of the vote.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we also have up there. This one's from Marvin More.

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Speaker 4: Unbelievable Bill Belichick not a first ballot Hall of Famer

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Speaker 4: or Shador Sanders being a pro bowler. Right now, Bill

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Speaker 4: Belichick is barely edging out Shador.

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Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, the whole Shador thing that's made for TV.

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Speaker 2: I get it. I'd have him there as a participant.

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Speaker 2: You know, there's no designation there, like we're gonna know

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Speaker 2: on his resume. And I feel bad for the kid

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Speaker 2: because what's he do if he turns it down? You

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Speaker 2: know what we say, Oh, you think you're too good

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Speaker 2: for the Pro Bowl. So it was a lose lose proposition.

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Speaker 2: It felt like for Shador Sanders. You know, people are

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Speaker 2: still floating. Man, what about Dion is the head coach

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Speaker 2: of the Browns.

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Speaker 3: It's not gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: Deon's got to get healthy, take care of what is

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Speaker 2: going on in Colorado. But man, when you get some

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Speaker 2: of these hosts, these analysts, who they raise the flag,

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Speaker 2: they carry the flag for Dion coach and the Browns. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: remember it was all coach the Cowboys. We don't have

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Speaker 2: the package deal.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we love nothing more than the coach quarterback package deal.

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Speaker 2: It's like third most popular topic ever. What are you

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Speaker 2: talking about? Yeah, Packagel alrighty eight seven seven three DP

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Speaker 2: show email address Dpadanpatrick dot com, Twitter handle at DP

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Speaker 2: show Hall of Fame voter Armando Salgero and senior NFL

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Speaker 2: writer for OutKick dot com. How did we get to

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Speaker 2: this point, Armando?

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Speaker 5: Well, obviously, Bill Belichick has been away from the game

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Speaker 5: for a year, so he becomes eligible for consideration for

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Speaker 5: the Pro Football Hall of Fame as a coach. He

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Speaker 5: went through the Coach Committee and beat out such people as.

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Speaker 6: Holmgren and others.

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Speaker 5: I presented him there and he got through to the

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Speaker 5: main selection committee, which consists of fifty folks media, former

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Speaker 5: NFL players and coaches. Tony Dungee is on the committee.

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Speaker 5: Dan Fouts is on the committee. Bill Pollian obviously is

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Speaker 5: found out I found out yesterday that he hadn't made it.

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Speaker 5: He found out last Friday that he hadn't made it.

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Speaker 2: And I'm shocked you laughed when you mentioned Bill Pollion.

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Speaker 3: Why.

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Speaker 6: I can't tell you.

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Speaker 5: I know that Bill had has gone forward and backward on.

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Speaker 6: Whether he voted for Coach Belichick or not. I think

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Speaker 6: that speaks for yourself.

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Speaker 7: No, if you you're you're not sure that you did,

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Speaker 2: Was there any talk in the room while you're presenting

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Speaker 5: So the way it works, Dan is I present and

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Speaker 5: then there's the you know, discussion slash debate. And in

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Speaker 5: There were there was one voter who said, out right,

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Speaker 5: in the NFL after being selected.

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Speaker 6: To the Pro Football Hall of Fame. That is not an.

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Speaker 5: Issue for the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and that

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Speaker 5: was not the thing. I think that Spygate was the

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Speaker 5: factor that we're sitting here today. It's the reason that

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Speaker 5: Bill Belichick is not a first ballot Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 2: Can I be fair to the story the situation in

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Speaker 2: Belichick where I look at his career after Spygate. Could

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Speaker 2: I look at success after Spygate and maybe split this

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Speaker 2: move into the second part of his career, he's a

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Speaker 6: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: In fact, in my rebuttal, because you get the presenter

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Speaker 5: gets a presentation, everybody you know discusses, and then I.

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Speaker 6: Get the last word on Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 5: And in my rebuttal, I pointed out that Bill Belichick

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Speaker 5: had a higher winning percentage after Spygate than before. Bill

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Speaker 5: Belichick went to six conference championships, a record. After Spygate,

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Speaker 5: Bill Belichick won three Super Bowls after Spygate. Spygate happened

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Speaker 5: on September seventh, two thousand and seven. On September eighth,

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Speaker 5: two thousand and seven, the New England Patriots hired a

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Speaker 5: compliance officer. And I've been told that that compliance officer,

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Speaker 5: who worked for the team through twoenty twenty five, her

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Speaker 5: sole purpose, she's a lawyer, was to make sure that

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Speaker 5: sure that this didn't repeat. And obviously we didn't have

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Speaker 5: another spygate. After two thousand and seven, you.

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Speaker 2: Get a letter from Tom Brady and I don't know

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Speaker 2: use the letter from Tom Brady? But how did you

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Speaker 2: get the letter? And then you present that to the

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Speaker 5: It correct And oh no, I knew that I was

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Speaker 5: that was part of it. When Tom Brady, who, let's

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Speaker 5: their relationship wasn't great, that there was, you know, a

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Speaker 6: Tom Brady gave.

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Speaker 5: The most full throated endorsement of Bill Belichick that I've

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Speaker 6: Or been associated with.

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Speaker 5: So I thought that that would carry weight in the room,

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Speaker 5: and I read the whole thing to the other selectors.

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Speaker 2: Do we know the number of voters who didn't vote

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Speaker 2: for Belichick? I know that you had to have at

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Speaker 6: I don't know the number. The Hall of Fame would know,

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Speaker 5: So there's that we don't know as selectors who did

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Speaker 5: and who did not because the selection process is done

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Speaker 6: So there's only guesses based on what was said in

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Speaker 2: Should your vote be made public?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 5: So I wrote a column at OutKick dot com last

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Speaker 5: of selectors who declined to vote for Bill Belichick, they

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Speaker 5: should speak up and say why, because a majority of

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Speaker 5: the selectors did vote for Bill Belichick. And now we're

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Speaker 5: all under that umbrella of you embarrassment. We're all we're

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Speaker 5: Bill Belichick, and I don't want to be a Beagle

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Speaker 5: wearing a cone of embarrassment. I voted for Bill Belichick,

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Speaker 5: and I know a majority did. Let the minority who

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Speaker 2: Wish, okay, then what happens to Tom Brady when he's eligible?

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Speaker 5: That's an interesting question because if you're going to ding

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Speaker 5: Brady for Deflategate?

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Speaker 2: Have you been in contact with Brady since this announcement?

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Speaker 3: I have not?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Armando, thank you, We appreciate you joining us, all right,

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Speaker 2: Dan Pleasure. Armando Salgero covering the NFL since nineteen ninety.

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame voter, I don't know how many didn't

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Speaker 2: vote for Bill. They needed eleven votes for this for

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Speaker 2: him not to be elected, you had to get eighty percent,

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Speaker 2: but I don't know if it was just eleven.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: You know, if you start the presentation and you get

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Speaker 2: I'm holding him accountable for Spygate, okay, and then all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden, like you would think if you get

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Speaker 2: a letter from Tom Brady, you know, talking about Bill Belichick, glowingly.

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Speaker 2: That's one of those where you go, I don't even

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Speaker 2: a letter from Tom for Bill Belichick. It feels like

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Speaker 2: Armando got a heads up that, hey, you better bring

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Speaker 2: your guns here. It's not a foregone conclusion that Bill

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Speaker 2: if you're gonna ding him, I got a ding Brady.

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Speaker 2: I mean, be consistent. I got a ding him for Deflategate,

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Speaker 2: even though it was silly and it came down to

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Speaker 2: him lying to the commissioner. I don't think it helped

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Speaker 2: him win games. And the amazing part. And I bring

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Speaker 2: this up because it just seems hypocritical. I had Aaron

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Speaker 2: PSI and he goes, I actually over inflate the football.

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Speaker 2: Nobody cared, he said, I did it for a year,

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Speaker 2: no one cared, So you're manipulating the football. I wanted

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Speaker 2: it over inflated, Brady underinflated. But the crime was lying

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Speaker 3: That was it, all right?

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Speaker 2: A couple of phone calls here. Dominique Foxworth, he is

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Speaker 2: a former NFL player, was head of the Player Association

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Speaker 2: for a long time and contributor to ESPN. David in Ohio, Morning, David.

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Speaker 8: Heyy morning Dan.

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Speaker 9: I got an idea.

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Speaker 8: Of how Bell Belichick and swing the voters.

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Speaker 2: Just send his girlfriend there with muncibles and pop darts

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Speaker 2: and he can bribe him and maybe get him in there.

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Speaker 2: So thank you, thank you, David, Thank you, Shawn and Oregon, Shawn,

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Speaker 2: welcome back.

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Speaker 10: Hey, You're You're right on topic there with the line

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Speaker 10: to the commissioner. Look what happened to Pete Rose for

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Speaker 10: Lyne to the commissioner? And I say that, you know,

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Speaker 10: the greatest coach doesn't screw up an undefeated year. You know,

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Speaker 10: when he lost Eli Manning and the Giants, you know,

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Speaker 10: there ain't nobody thought that they were going to lose

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Speaker 10: that game. And then he lost to Eli Manning and

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Speaker 2: Brother, so you think that they lost to the Giants.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, se Donnie and Indiana, Hi Donnie, Hey Dan,

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Speaker 2: Be Well, I'm with you, and you being a Colts fan,

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Speaker 8: Five seven one sixty nine. I'm calling him because the

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Speaker 2: We lost you, Joe, bad connection there. And Robert Kraft

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Speaker 2: There was news yesterday as Joe Brady got promoted. He's

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Speaker 2: us on the program. Hey g here. Bill Belichick's not

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Speaker 14: I did realize how lucky the Bills are today that

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Speaker 14: Essentially promote everybody except for the coach and sending them

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Speaker 14: The only good explanation is one that hasn't really been

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Speaker 14: No, like Bill Belichick has just actively been his or

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Speaker 14: And I also think Tom Brady has done a better

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Speaker 14: about turning the page at some point, I think they're

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Speaker 14: going to have to move on from this band aid

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Speaker 14: situation that they've been doing for the quarterback position. They're

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Speaker 14: gonna have to start using draft picks and signing free agents.

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Speaker 14: I don't think Mike McCarty is a bad hire. Obviously,

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Speaker 14: it's a kind of an uninspired hire, but what it

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Speaker 14: suggests to me is something that Mike Tomla actually did

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Speaker 14: surprise them with this.

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Speaker 3: It felt like to me like there's no way that

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Speaker 3: he could be there.

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Speaker 14: For as long as he has and not have hinted

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Speaker 14: towards the ownership that this might be my last year.

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Speaker 14: But it seems like the way they reacted to it,

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Speaker 14: he was really shocked.

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Speaker 2: Talking to a Dominic Foxworth of The Mothership former NFL

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Speaker 2: Cornerback and next Thursday, February fifth, from six to seven

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Speaker 14: Yeah, having fun out in San Francisco for a live pod.

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Speaker 2: The Denver Broncos firing coaches yesterday kind of quietly because

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Speaker 2: we're still trying to digest the fourth and one call,

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Speaker 2: and now Sean comes out and says, hey, I would

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Speaker 2: have gone for it. I would have called a better play,

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Speaker 2: paraphrasing I mean, you won fourteen games and now You're like,

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Speaker 2: they had an excuse with Bonix. They probably win that

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Speaker 2: game and you'd be in the super Bowl. But like,

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Speaker 2: are these jobs that tenuous? It's like, no, we lost, Uh,

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Speaker 2: you're going yeay.

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Speaker 14: Champayne is a powerful guy and he's never been shy

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Speaker 14: about making these type of decisions.

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Speaker 3: I think that.

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Speaker 14: There's one way to look at this where you're like, hey,

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Speaker 14: we can always get better.

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Speaker 3: That's commendable that there are going to.

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Speaker 14: Be aggressive because you look back at their season, as

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Speaker 14: good as their season was, as a lot of single

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Speaker 14: score games, and while you could walk away and be

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Speaker 14: and feel good at scapegoating the injury to your quarterback

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Speaker 14: in the web there, I think that whatever happened, obviously

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Speaker 14: there's a longer track record. I don't think the result

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Speaker 14: of the season is why they made that decision. And

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Speaker 14: then you can look at the Jets too, which also

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Speaker 14: did some cheerious things that at some point.

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Speaker 2: Someone's got any coaches aside from Aaron Glenn.

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Speaker 14: I again talk about strategy, and I said at the beginning,

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Speaker 14: this is like I like to extend the assumption that

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Speaker 14: these owners are at least reasonably intelligent and making some

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Speaker 14: sort of plan. It's so hard to put together the

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Speaker 14: last decade of decisions by the Jets and find like

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Speaker 14: a through line of a strategy or some belief, Like

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Speaker 14: they had a bad season, they gave up on it

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Speaker 14: midway through, and then somehow held every coach but the

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Speaker 14: head coach accountable for a season that they obviously gave

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Speaker 14: up on. Like, I don't know what's happening in that building,

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Speaker 14: So it's hard for me to project, but I know

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Speaker 14: it's ugly. And if I was a fan, I mean,

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Speaker 14: I guess they probably lost.

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Speaker 3: Hope a long time ago. I'd be pretty pissed.

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Speaker 2: Cleveland needs to coach, Vegas needs a coach, Arizona needs coach.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you want to.

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Speaker 2: Fill those voyage is somebody coaching in the Super Bowl

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Speaker 2: who might get one or two of those jobs?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, it feels like all of those jobs, right. That's

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Speaker 14: the only way that it feels like.

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Speaker 11: That.

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Speaker 14: Otherwise they've been getting rejected by people that they want, right,

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Speaker 14: and that makes it look even worse.

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Speaker 3: These jobs are few and far between.

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Speaker 14: For people not to take that opportunity is surprising to me.

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Speaker 14: And we saw Mike m Mike mcdiane, No, McDaniel, Yeah,

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Speaker 14: McDaniel from Miami. We saw him go to the Chargers,

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Speaker 14: which like that opportunity to seem great. But my assumption

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Speaker 14: is he could have gotten one of these other jobs

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Speaker 14: and maybe he didn't want it, but given how he dresses,

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Speaker 14: I feel like he's going Miami to La next.

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Speaker 3: At some point, man gotta go to Vegas, right Like,

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Speaker 3: I feel like.

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Speaker 14: There's the only other place that Miami, La Vegas, only

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Speaker 14: other place that he can go.

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Speaker 2: Does anybody want the Browns job? I mean, it feels

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Speaker 2: like they know they might just shay to Jim Schwartz,

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Speaker 2: We're gonna hire you because we don't want to be

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Speaker 2: rejected anymore.

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Speaker 14: That's a bad way to go about hiring a coach,

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Speaker 14: but it might turn It might work out. He's a

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Speaker 14: guy with experience in that team obviously respects the defense

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Speaker 14: has been great all the way through, but you can

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Speaker 14: expect if they take him off of the defense and

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Speaker 14: make him a head coach, is possible the defense could

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Speaker 14: make take a step back.

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Speaker 3: The thing about the Browns job is.

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Speaker 14: On paper, when you look at the way, like one

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Speaker 14: of the reasons why I think the Ravens' job is

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Speaker 14: attractive because you have a front office that you know

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Speaker 14: consistently will give you quality talent. The Browns have done

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Speaker 14: a pretty good job of building up this roster. I

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Speaker 14: think you can point to the major decision, which was

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Speaker 14: an ownership decision to bring in Deshaun Watson, as a

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Speaker 14: terrible one. But like other than that, they've done above

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Speaker 14: average in their drafts and decision making, so it's not

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Speaker 14: that bad of a job. The organization isn't as poorly

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Speaker 14: run as the results seem to suggest from what I understand.

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Speaker 14: But it's still the Browns and there's still the benefit

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Speaker 14: of having a low bar, but also the challenge of

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Speaker 14: there's really no culture to speak of, and people will

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Speaker 14: turn on you immediately because they assume that it's the

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Speaker 14: same old Browns. There's no like faith in the same

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Speaker 14: way that you would have with the Steelers. No one

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Speaker 14: has that for the Browns.

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Speaker 3: What about Arizona, Yeah.

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Speaker 14: That one is another situation where the complaint that I've

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Speaker 14: heard from candidates about the Arizona situation is commitment from

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Speaker 14: the ownership. And that's always a big question, is what

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Speaker 14: the ownership is going to do for an organization or

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Speaker 14: it's going to do for a coach to support them,

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Speaker 14: And that's something that's been hanging over that organization, so

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Speaker 14: someone will take that job. There there are some jobs

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Speaker 14: that aren't A level jobs, and it feels like the

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Speaker 14: Bengals fall into that category, despite the fact that they

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Speaker 14: have a quarterback. And the Cardinals, one of the oldest

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Speaker 14: franchises in football, also feel like one of those organizations

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Speaker 14: that doesn't feel.

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Speaker 3: Like an A level job.

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Speaker 2: I was just wondering about this shouldn't may be crazy

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Speaker 2: and off topic here, but Sam Matthew Stafford decides she's

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Speaker 2: going to retire the Rams. You got two first round picks.

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Speaker 2: Do you reach out to the Bengals?

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Speaker 3: What do you think?

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Speaker 14: Yeah, reach out to the Bengals and offer those picks

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Speaker 14: for their quarterback. Yeah, it's gonna take more than that.

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Speaker 2: That's the starter. That's the starter.

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Speaker 14: Okay, okay, okay, okay, Yeah, you can throw it at him,

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Speaker 14: but I'm hanging up the phone. If the Bengals and

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Speaker 14: you reach out for Joe Burrow for that, like I think,

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Speaker 14: for Joe Burrow to move, it's gonna require him to

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Speaker 14: force his way out, which is not a very un

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Speaker 14: football it's a very NBA style behavior. You rarely see

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Speaker 14: football players force their way out, especially quarterbacks. But I

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Speaker 14: can't imagine that there's enough compensation where it would not

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Speaker 14: be received the way that Luca Daunton's trade was received.

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Speaker 14: If anyone moves on from their top level quarterback who's

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Speaker 14: still in their prime when quarterbacks are playing for twenty

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Speaker 14: year that no Burrow has been injured a lot. But

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Speaker 14: moving on from your quarterback, you will lose everybody's because

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Speaker 14: you are then acquiring a bunch of draft picks in

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Speaker 14: hopes that you can find someone nearly as good as

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Speaker 14: Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you get him on a rookie deal that

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Speaker 2: it felt like there was a disconnect between him and

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Speaker 2: front office. Uh not happy. Uh So, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I just yeah, just throwing it at him.

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Speaker 3: It's the dream.

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Speaker 14: It's the dream like herschel Walker trade situation, where you

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Speaker 14: can find you can set yourself up for a dynasty

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Speaker 14: if you move on from a super talented player at

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Speaker 14: the right time. Like, I get the idea, but it

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Speaker 14: better work.

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Speaker 2: Dominic, thank you for joining us, no problem, appreciate you, Dan.

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Speaker 2: That's Dominic Foxworth. You can see him in person. That'll

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Speaker 2: be next Thursday in San Francisco. Along with Mina comes

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Speaker 2: Marcus Spears, Kevin Clark, and it's Dominic Foxworth and Friends

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Speaker 2: Live at the strand go do Foxworth pod live dot com?

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Speaker 3: Is that crazy?

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Speaker 11: Though?

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Speaker 2: The Joe Burrow thing? You you got two first round picks. Now,

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Speaker 2: Stafford could come back, but if he decides to retire,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. And it felt like there was something

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Speaker 2: going on with Joe not happy, Yes, Marvin.

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Speaker 12: But the Bengals going to ask for somebody like pookin

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Speaker 12: the coop with Well.

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Speaker 2: They got their receivers, what they.

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Speaker 12: Need, what's one more great receiver?

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Speaker 3: That's true?

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Speaker 2: Uh, two first round picks and pookin the coop for

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: It came to me just because I thought, you know,

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Speaker 2: what what happens if Stafford retires, You're gonna draft somebody.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna sign somebody. What about trading for somebody?

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Speaker 15: Yeah, Paul, it's interesting because otherwise you have to start

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Speaker 15: a search for a new franchise quarterback. Yeah, with a

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Speaker 15: good team already in.

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Speaker 2: Place, yes, a team ready to win already. Uh, well,

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Speaker 2: they could always bring in Jared Stidham. God, yeah, that's

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Speaker 2: not fact.

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Speaker 12: That was a terrible little shovel pass thing.

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Speaker 3: Man, are you off stiddy? I guess so.

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Speaker 12: I'm not putting it all on him. But we gave

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Speaker 12: them seven points and didn't take three. That's a ten

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Speaker 12: point swing.

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Speaker 3: Do the math.

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Speaker 12: That's why we're not in the super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll take break. It's definitely Joe Lombardies. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's somebody's fault, not the head coach. I love that.

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Speaker 2: I love a little too much attention on that one call.

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Speaker 4: I want to fire a bunch of people just to

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Speaker 4: make sure everybody knows it wasn't my fault.

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Speaker 2: Nobody's talking about that call today. All these coaches are

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Speaker 2: getting fired, and the Jets fired. Everybody is Aaron Glenn's

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Speaker 2: job save like it would be so jetsy and that

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Speaker 2: they would get around to firing him and all these

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Speaker 2: other candidates are gone. Take a break. More phone calls

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Speaker 2: coming up. Sal Palantonio Hall of Fame voter, Top of

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Speaker 2: Wendy in Miami, Good morning, Wendy, what's on your mind today?

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Speaker 8: Good morning, Dan.

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Speaker 3: Good morning.

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Speaker 8: On the bill.

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Speaker 2: Oh we got a bad connection there. We've been having

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Speaker 2: a few of those, Marvin. Is it on our end?

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Speaker 12: It seems random because there's sometimes when the calls are

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Speaker 12: really clear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Paul, are we playing?

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Speaker 3: Who are we blaming?

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Speaker 2: Definitely not us?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, can't be us.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna take this Sean Payton approach. People just have

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Speaker 2: the same issue with their phone. It couldn't be ours. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's not ours. Michael in la Hey, Mike, what's on

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Speaker 2: your mind?

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Speaker 9: Are good morning, Dan? You want to take my call?

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Speaker 3: Yep?

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Speaker 9: I just want to weigh on on the Hall of

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Speaker 9: Fame voting. For me, it's just another example of why

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Speaker 9: s horse riders shouldn't be the gatekeepers. And I mean

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Speaker 9: that in all sports, major League Baseball, especially h football,

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Speaker 9: all of them, because I mean, maybe it made sense

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Speaker 9: one hundred years ago when he didn't have internet television

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Speaker 9: and so you needed some people who could, you know,

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Speaker 9: who had seen most of the players, But it sounds

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Speaker 9: like it should be in the player's hands and and

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Speaker 9: people who know the game, like Tom Brady had a

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Speaker 9: great point about, you know, like JSI keeps his shoulders level,

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Speaker 9: so you know, he doesn't tip off his running plays. Well,

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Speaker 9: like what sports writer knows that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm okay with you know, former players or coaches,

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Speaker 2: but I mean they have a bias as well. It's

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Speaker 2: it's tricky.

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Speaker 3: You need to get a balance there.

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Speaker 2: And sports writers aren't as uh powerful as they once were.

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Speaker 2: Columnists were. You know, they they ruled the they ruled

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Speaker 2: the land. Had to have a great columnist. Now newspapers

687
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 2: are going away. That doesn't mean you don't have great writing.

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Speaker 2: But you know, broadcasters, we fought hard to get. We

689
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Speaker 2: always sat up in the rafters. If I went to

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Speaker 2: the Boston Celtics game, you know, in NBA finals in

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Speaker 2: the eighties, I was way up top. Writers were always

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Speaker 2: down below. We're both covering the same game, but you

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Speaker 2: kind of fight to get a little bit more of

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Speaker 2: the TV side of this. We were just known as

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Speaker 2: talking hairdooes. And I remember when I was in New

696
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Speaker 2: York and I got a real harsh dose of that

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Speaker 2: of Hey, I'm Mike Lupica, I'm Dick Young, Dave Anderson,

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Speaker 2: like all these legendary writers in columnists and you're now

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Speaker 2: They didn't say this to me, Well, Dick Young might

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Speaker 2: have You're just a talking hairdude. So you're you know,

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Speaker 2: you want to get a balance of broadcasters, analyst, former players,

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Speaker 2: former coaches, But you got to be careful because deep down,

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Speaker 2: whether it's consciously or subconsciously, people have a bias.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if if even all eleven people that

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Speaker 4: came out and that they voted against Bill Belichick because

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Speaker 4: he was involved in two of the biggest his team

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Speaker 4: was involved in two of the biggest cheating scandals in

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Speaker 4: NFL history. I don't know that anybody would have a

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Speaker 4: problem with that. But the fact that no one is

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Speaker 4: coming forward who voted against him speaks to the idea

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Speaker 4: that maybe there's another motivation and that's actually super lame,

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Speaker 4: like that's what makes you a coward. Then if you're

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Speaker 4: going to say, well, he cheated, so yeah, I'm going

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Speaker 4: to ding him for the one year, I think most

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Speaker 4: people would understand that. But you're not saying it, so

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Speaker 4: now you're a coward.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I don't have a problem if you didn't want to

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Speaker 2: vote for him. I do want to know why you didn't,

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Speaker 2: because does this is it applicable to Tom Brady he

722
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Speaker 2: was involved in Spygate to a certain degree, But he

723
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Speaker 2: was involved. He was Deflategate. Team got punished, he got suspended.

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Speaker 2: I mean, this was a big deal, and that's cheating,

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Speaker 2: or at least bet is cheating. So that's where I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to understand, like what is so egregious here? And really,

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Speaker 2: if you look at Spygate, Spygate's silly too.

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Speaker 3: Hey you can.

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Speaker 2: Film the other team, but you can't film there that angle,

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Speaker 2: and that that was spygate in a nutshell.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, even if you want to, you could try to

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Speaker 4: remove Bill Belichick from deflate Gate, but he was the

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Speaker 4: one up there within like a day or two, doing

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Speaker 4: the ideal gas law and explaining how these how footballs

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Speaker 4: deflate on their own, which is true, by the way.

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Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, look, the NFL still didn't they studied

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Speaker 4: those balls the entire next season and never release the results.

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Speaker 4: Well why was that they were doing exactly a study

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Speaker 4: to see if they did deflate that way and then

741
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Speaker 4: they never released the results. I think that we know why.

742
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Speaker 4: But he was right out in front and center of

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Speaker 4: that whole scandal two, So you kind of have to

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Speaker 4: ding him for that, especially if he's a head coach

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Speaker 4: who controls every single aspect there.

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Speaker 2: Sure, Hey, just tell me, just be transparent, Be transparent

747
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Speaker 2: when it comes to the huge astro's when they're up

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Speaker 2: for the Hall of Fame, when jose L Tuve, just

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Speaker 2: tell me. Then at least we know and if you had,

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Speaker 2: you know, maybe it was an asterisk by Belichick's name

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Speaker 2: by certain voters going in we're not going to vote

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Speaker 2: for him. Just let us know, just you know, be

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Speaker 2: fair to the situation, because as you're saying, is there

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Speaker 2: something else involved in this, you know, the Belichick situation

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Speaker 2: that we're not being told. I was told yesterday, reiterated

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Speaker 2: this morning that maybe some voters thought there's no guarantee

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Speaker 2: that Belichick is not coming back to the NFL. And

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Speaker 2: I said, he's not coming back to the NFL. He said,

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Speaker 2: I'm just telling you that the vibe of is he

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Speaker 2: going to coach again in the NFL?

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Speaker 3: And I said, okay.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know if they can even agree on

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Speaker 2: why they don't agree that he's a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, PAULI. Multiple reports.

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Speaker 15: The Cleveland Browns are hiring former Ravens offensive cordator Todd

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Speaker 15: Munkin as our next head.

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Speaker 2: Oh Kirk Kurbstreet is gonna be thrilled?

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Speaker 3: Is he happy? Right?

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Speaker 2: No, Todd Munkin, He could dial up some plays, man,

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Speaker 2: Todd Munkin, He is gonna turn Shadoor Sanders into a

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Speaker 2: Pro Bowl. Oh no, he's already a Pro Bowl.

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Speaker 3: Cord, continue with the excellence.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I'm gonna make a Pro Bowl starter out

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Speaker 2: of Shador Sanders. All right, Todd Munkin felt like whenever

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Speaker 2: Todd Munkin was coaching, Herbie was letting you know Todd

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Speaker 2: Munkin was coaching, he can dial up some plays like

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Speaker 2: Spags in Kansas City. Nobody dials up plays like Spags,

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Speaker 2: doesn't Kansas City? One hour to go on this Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: Sal pal Antonio joins us, coming up,