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Speaker 2: Let me ask you, guys this and again this. We
Speaker 2: don't We don't know the ideological leanings of this person.
Speaker 2: We don't know, if you know, they could be politically
Speaker 2: all over the blue.
Speaker 4: We don't know. But let me ask you guys this question.
Speaker 2: Do you think I'm right that even if it is
Speaker 2: like a clear cutcase of like some white nationalist or
Speaker 2: groper type or whatever that this guy turns out to be,
Speaker 2: that Trump will just pretend that it's otherwise or use
Speaker 2: this anyway to his ends.
Speaker 5: I'm curious about him saying yesterday he had some sense
Speaker 5: of the motive before this. That tells me that maybe
Speaker 5: they think or they thought they had reason to believe
Speaker 5: that there's some I don't know, like what is going on?
Speaker 2: Were they going off the supposed trends in super bullets.
Speaker 2: I mean, we didn't spend enough time on that because
Speaker 2: it was so it's so disgusting to me that the
Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal ran with that, And apparently it turned
Speaker 2: out there were like some arrows like potentially already printed
Speaker 2: on the bullets, because there are little like markings on
Speaker 2: there that they were like these arrows, I think that
Speaker 2: must mean he's pro trans which was completely invented, and
Speaker 2: you know, all kinds of lay people. When this news
Speaker 2: came out of like markings on the bullets indicating transgender ideology,
Speaker 2: people were like, what would that even be? But apparently
Speaker 2: no one at the Wall Street Journal that reprinted this
Speaker 2: thought for two seconds to ask that question.
Speaker 5: Or they reported, well, here's also what's interesting is that
Speaker 5: they reported so Steven Krab got it first, and the
Speaker 5: journal was probably rushing because of Stephen Crowder, which is
Speaker 5: already just like what the hell? But they reported that
Speaker 5: ATF was taking these markings seriously, and the journal probably
Speaker 5: failed to contextualize how thin the like evidence was that
Speaker 5: that was, you know, something to take seriously. But what
Speaker 5: it says to me is that somebody at ATF was
Speaker 5: taking it.
Speaker 6: Very, very seriously. And so because of that. Okay, here,
Speaker 6: so we've got a press conference coming.
Speaker 7: In no way, I mean, real quick to Chris. But
Speaker 7: like Trump said, he I don't care. Trump is telling
Speaker 7: Trump Trump already answered your questions. Yeah, that's probably so,
Speaker 7: I don't care who did this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the problem is, yeah, sure we got radicals on
Speaker 2: the right, but they're doing it for the right reasons.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what you know, that's the whole justification
Speaker 2: for January six. We already know he pardoned a bunch
Speaker 2: of you know, violent JA six riders. All right, here's
Speaker 2: the pressor.
Speaker 8: Leaving the rifle in a bush.
Speaker 9: Messages related to a to visually watching the area where
Speaker 9: our rifle was left and a message referring.
Speaker 8: To having left the rifle wrapped in a towel.
Speaker 9: The messages also referred to engraving bullets and a mention
Speaker 9: of a scope and the rifle being unique.
Speaker 8: Messages from the contact.
Speaker 9: Tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits. I know
Speaker 9: there's been speculation as well as to the writing.
Speaker 8: On those casings.
Speaker 9: Here we go, those those bullet casings, and I believe
Speaker 9: we have that.
Speaker 8: As well, and I'll share that with you now.
Speaker 10: So the area north of Campus Drive Road where the
Speaker 10: suspect crossed over, you saw some of that in the
Speaker 10: video that we released last night, consists of a grassy
Speaker 10: area with trees on the edge of the UBU campus.
Speaker 9: Investigators discovered a bolt action rifle wrapped in a dark
Speaker 9: colored towel. The rifle was determined to be a Mouser
Speaker 9: Model ninety eight thirty out six caliber thirty six caliber
Speaker 9: bolt action rifle.
Speaker 8: The rifle has scope mounted on top of it.
Speaker 9: Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found
Speaker 9: with the rifle.
Speaker 8: Inscriptions on a fired casing.
Speaker 9: Read notices, bulges, capital, OWO, what's.
Speaker 8: This question mark, inscriptions on the three on fired.
Speaker 9: Casings red he notices exclamation point, catch, exclamation point, arrow symbol,
Speaker 9: right arrow and symbol, and three down arrow symbols. A
Speaker 9: second on fired casing red oh, bella.
Speaker 1: Chow belle chow bella chow chow.
Speaker 8: Chow, and a third on fired Casey Red. If you
Speaker 8: read this, you are a LMAO.
Speaker 11: We are indebted to enforcement across the state who's worked
Speaker 11: seamlessly together local law enforcement, state law enforcement, and our
Speaker 11: federal partners with the with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
Speaker 8: We're grateful for everyone who work together in such a short.
Speaker 9: Amount of time to find this person and to and
Speaker 9: to bring justice. I want to think the public who
Speaker 9: has been so engaged reviewing, reviewing videos, helping us with
Speaker 9: sending in tips and helping us get to this point.
Speaker 8: I want to thank the family members of.
Speaker 9: Tyler Robinson who did the right thing in this case
Speaker 9: and we're able to bring him into law enforcement as well.
Speaker 9: I especially want to thank the family of Charlie Kirk Erica, Charlie's.
Speaker 8: Parents, his children. I want us to.
Speaker 9: Be thinking of them as we bring justice in this case.
Speaker 9: They will be involved in that justice. We will be
Speaker 9: working very closely with them as we move through this
Speaker 9: process as well. This is a very sad day for
Speaker 9: again for our country, a terrible.
Speaker 8: Day for the state of Utah.
Speaker 9: But I'm grateful that at this moment we have an
Speaker 9: opportunity to bring closure to this very dark chapter in
Speaker 9: our nation's history with that. Will now turn the turn
Speaker 9: the microphone over to the director of the FBI.
Speaker 4: Cat Those bullet markings are hard to decipher.
Speaker 8: This is what happens when you let good cops be cops.
Speaker 12: The FBI and our partners are proud to stand here
Speaker 12: today together to bring justice to the family of Charlie.
Speaker 8: In honor's memory.
Speaker 13: I want to express my deep gratitude to President Trump,
Speaker 13: the Vice President, and the entire White House who have
Speaker 13: been so incredibly supportive with both resources and just personally
Speaker 13: to the FBI as a team. They had our backs
Speaker 13: to the entire way, and I just want to express
Speaker 13: my gratitude for giving us the resources we need to
Speaker 13: operate in this space to bring this sort of justice
Speaker 13: at this sort of speed. In thirty three hours, we
Speaker 13: have made historic progress for Charlie. Governor Cox, our partnership
Speaker 13: has been absolutely incredible these last few days. Our partnership
Speaker 13: will ignore your state and local partners, your sheriffs, your
Speaker 13: GPS community has been unbelievably impressive in the hardest of times,
Speaker 13: and a case like this cannot be solved, cannot be
Speaker 13: brought without partnering with your state and local authorities.
Speaker 8: The FBI has a certain role to play. We will
Speaker 8: play that role and we will lead up with federal government.
Speaker 12: Governor Cox, we are so grandful from your state partnership
Speaker 12: that let out on this investigation a little bit of
Speaker 12: the timeline. Charlie shot at twelve twenty three pm on Wednesday.
Speaker 12: The first FBI agent's arrived on scene in sixteen minutes.
Speaker 12: We chiefs the police at twelve thirty nine and secured
Speaker 12: the scene.
Speaker 2: This is cya to try to convince people they did
Speaker 2: a good jobs.
Speaker 13: We utilize these assets to transport personnel, specialty technicians, passage
Speaker 13: rescue teams.
Speaker 8: We also utilize these assets to go.
Speaker 13: Back and forth from the East Coast and here in
Speaker 13: Utah to transport forensic evidence and other evidence that will
Speaker 13: be analyzed that is being analyzed at our FBI laboratories
Speaker 13: in Quantico and other laboratories including the ATF.
Speaker 8: In my direction, the.
Speaker 12: FBI released the first set of FBI photos of this suspect.
Speaker 8: At ten am local time on nine to eleven.
Speaker 12: Then shortly thereafter, the FBI reward of one hundred thousand
Speaker 12: dollars was.
Speaker 13: Released at ten forty five am Local myself and Deputy
Speaker 13: Director Bon Gino arrived on the scene at ap propably
Speaker 13: five thirty PM on nine to eleven. The Governor let
Speaker 13: a press conference last night at approximately eight pm where
Speaker 13: in my direction, the FBI released and ever before seen
Speaker 13: video of the suspect.
Speaker 12: We also released new images to the public of the suspect.
Speaker 12: And just last night, the suspect was taken into custody
Speaker 12: at ten PM of the time, in less than thirty
Speaker 12: six hours thirty three to be precise, thanks to the
Speaker 12: full weight of the federal government and leading out with
Speaker 12: the partners here in the state of Utah and Governor Cox,
Speaker 12: the suspect was apprehended in historic time period.
Speaker 8: And I want to highlight what Governor Cox.
Speaker 13: Said, This would not have been possible without you the
Speaker 13: media and you the public.
Speaker 8: That's why we went so public.
Speaker 6: So the suspect was on the loose for more than
Speaker 6: twenty four hours.
Speaker 8: Transparency.
Speaker 4: The trumpet is a frame historic historical.
Speaker 13: Authorities along with the federal authorities processing that crime scene quickly.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I even had.
Speaker 13: The ability to walk through.
Speaker 12: That crime scene and walk through the steps the suspect
Speaker 12: took to.
Speaker 13: Learn more about what was needed and what resources we
Speaker 13: need to prayer to create a full picture for the
Speaker 13: FBI and leadership back in Washington. Furthermore, thankfully to state
Speaker 13: local partners, forensic evidence has been seized and continues to
Speaker 13: be garnered. Forensic evidence has already been evaluated FBI laboratories
Speaker 13: in Quantico and state local authorities here. We will continue
Speaker 13: to process evidence as we see it.
Speaker 2: As we collected, we can probably get out of this.
Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like we're going to get any more news, right.
Speaker 5: Unless they take questions, but that could still be another
Speaker 5: ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Let's well, let's go through with a cake.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you if they go to the let's go
Speaker 4: through the cases.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 7: Let's let's go. So, yeah, I got them here, uh
Speaker 7: in order. The first one they said was, notice is
Speaker 7: Bulge's ow a, what's this? Which is some it's some
Speaker 7: furry bullshit? What uh it's I mean? People can just google,
Speaker 7: People can just google this provocative internet meme associated with
Speaker 7: furry fandom with strong sexual connotations notices bulges.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right, I'll look it up so you don't have.
Speaker 6: To describe it to me.
Speaker 7: Then then hey, fascists catch which seems pretty clear what
Speaker 7: that is.
Speaker 2: And then it said Okay, it says the notice is
Speaker 2: bulge thing parodies furries and online role play subcultures is
Speaker 2: from no your meme.
Speaker 4: Okay, all right?
Speaker 7: Oh Belachow Bella So Bellachow is a is a Italian
Speaker 7: anti fascist song. So that that that is the thing
Speaker 7: that that that plus hey fascist catch is him signaling
Speaker 7: that's where they would have gotten the Antifa stuff from this.
Speaker 7: And then if you read this you are gay l
Speaker 7: m a. Oh that that gives Groy patrol.
Speaker 5: Which is sort of, by the way, similar to what
Speaker 5: we saw in Minneapolis where you had troll language.
Speaker 6: And this is just so I mean, it just makes
Speaker 6: your stomach sink because.
Speaker 7: We have two troll languages and then two Antifa stuff.
Speaker 7: So is the anti FA stuff there to like convince
Speaker 7: people that this is that he's anti Like, we're going
Speaker 7: to find out more about this guy. But you know,
Speaker 7: it could be that he's actually an actual ANTIFA guy,
Speaker 7: you know, who grew up in this household with this
Speaker 7: you know, his dad in the sheriff department and then
Speaker 7: kind of rebelled against his dad.
Speaker 1: That's certainly uncommon story happens.
Speaker 7: It could also be that this is a Groy patrol
Speaker 7: who's just it's no and that we have a troll assassination.
Speaker 1: Assassin or something.
Speaker 2: It can also be did you guys look into this
Speaker 2: like online cult that people were theorizing the Minnesota shooter
Speaker 2: was part of because they had all kinds of symbology
Speaker 2: that was all over the map too. And I can't
Speaker 2: remember the name of these sort of like linked like
Speaker 2: neo Nazi death cults basically online radicalized death cults where
Speaker 2: some of the some of the mo is like gaining
Speaker 2: notoriety and out doing each other in your you know,
Speaker 2: acts of terror and murder that you commit. And there
Speaker 2: are you know, number of instances where the killers appeared
Speaker 2: to be linked to this like basically online death cult.
Speaker 2: And that's another that's another possible. Like clearly this person
Speaker 2: was very online, Like we can say that, yeah for sure,
Speaker 2: with the language.
Speaker 4: You know, the use of memes.
Speaker 6: You know, it looks like a gaming keyboard in the picture, the.
Speaker 4: Board in the picture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just and also just that's the life
Speaker 2: of a twenty two year old man oftentimes in uh
Speaker 2: in this day and age.
Speaker 4: Not to sound like.
Speaker 6: But it's true.
Speaker 2: Really, so person was clearly very online, and there's certainly enough,
Speaker 2: you know, like just the fact that there's any anti
Speaker 2: anti fascist stuff in there is going to be enough
Speaker 2: for Trump and co. To say to say this is
Speaker 2: that's a good point on the left, you know, it's
Speaker 2: radical Marxist blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: So that's certainly what they'll be going with.
Speaker 14: You know.
Speaker 2: Whether that is fully the case or not, I think
Speaker 2: it still remains to be seen because the indications are
Speaker 2: kind of all over the place, like the if you're
Speaker 2: reading this, you're gay, lmao. I don't know, don't know, guys.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's unclear, uh right now which direction this is
Speaker 5: going in. Because to me, when I look back on
Speaker 5: the Minneapolis shooter, I don't think it's it's unfair for
Speaker 5: the right to say that whatever was going on ideologically
Speaker 5: on sex and gender clearly played into that. But also
Speaker 5: it was troll language, and when in that case the
Speaker 5: shooter died, so it's almost impossible to decipher the troll
Speaker 5: language from a mentally ill person and no restruction or
Speaker 5: the other that it.
Speaker 6: Was going in. This person is alive. This person is alive.
Speaker 5: And actually, as we pulled out of the presser, I
Speaker 5: just saw this update from the New York Times authorities
Speaker 5: in this news conference have described extensive evidence that they
Speaker 5: say ties the suspect and custody the shooting of Charlie Kirk,
Speaker 5: including statements to relatives suggesting that he committed the crime,
Speaker 5: social media messages, and physical evidence. So I would say,
Speaker 5: at least in this case, the odds of us getting
Speaker 5: a much more complete picture of where this person was
Speaker 5: coming from. And this is a good thing, by the way,
Speaker 5: just exploded, because otherwise you get into ink blot test
Speaker 5: territory where you can kind of laughch on to one
Speaker 5: part of the picture or another part of the picture,
Speaker 5: and it's more easily used as a football. So if
Speaker 5: you can get more clarity in this case, I think
Speaker 5: that is like a huge blessing.
Speaker 6: But we'll see.
Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is just you know, even if
Speaker 2: let's say that he had been killed or killed himself,
Speaker 2: or you know, the cops ha killed him or he'd
Speaker 2: killed himself or whatever, then the conspiracies would also run wild,
Speaker 2: right like the fact that he they have him, that
Speaker 2: he's alive, that he can speak for himself. Not that
Speaker 2: it's going to put all conspiracy theories to bed, but
Speaker 2: it will put you know, it will make it more
Speaker 2: difficult for those to gain I think widespread public acceptance
Speaker 2: and traction. And I think I think it matters a
Speaker 2: lot that they have this guy. You know, listen, and
Speaker 2: I've already talked about how I think Trump is like
Speaker 2: the worst person possible to be our president at a
Speaker 2: moment such as this. Part of why I obviously posed
Speaker 2: him into the election, part of why I was very
Speaker 2: deeply concerned about what a second Trump administration would mean
Speaker 2: and would do for this country and for the world
Speaker 2: at large. But you know, I think like just the
Speaker 2: fact of having a suspect who at this point at
Speaker 2: least very much looks like this is the guy at least,
Speaker 2: then you know that it helps relieve some of the
Speaker 2: like the mystique and some of the theories, and potentially
Speaker 2: some of the like you know, follow on inspiration, because
Speaker 2: you know you're gonna see him not go out in
Speaker 2: a blaze of glory, but you know, be humiliated in
Speaker 2: a prison jumpsuit and you know, brought pretty low. So
Speaker 2: I hear you get like, I think those things matter.
Speaker 6: I think that's I hope that's true. I think that's
Speaker 6: likely true.
Speaker 5: On the other hand, it does bother me or It
Speaker 5: does worry me that you get into and it's too
Speaker 5: early even to be speculating too much, but you end
Speaker 5: up with like Charles Manson, cult around someone. I don't
Speaker 5: mean like a literal cult, but like a cult following
Speaker 5: where people are obsessed and get fixated on someone in
Speaker 5: prison for you know, just cause, or like even Mangioni,
Speaker 5: you see some of this after he said he was innocent,
Speaker 5: which means you could like really be mister directing people
Speaker 5: in different ways. Hopefully that doesn't happen here, but says
Speaker 5: like I had nothing to do with this. I'm just
Speaker 5: to quote Lee Harvey Oswald, I'm just a patsy. So
Speaker 5: I guess there's still always potential that things could go
Speaker 5: in a bad direction. But yeah, I agree Chris, I
Speaker 5: think this is likely a very good sign.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and he's not as good looking as Mangioni, so
Speaker 2: will be less inspirational for people.
Speaker 4: Tell me, I'm.
Speaker 1: Hawaiian.
Speaker 7: I don't seen any Hawaiian gear yet, otherwise I think
Speaker 7: you'd see a lot of people calling him a boogoloo dude.
Speaker 6: Well, that was a thing.
Speaker 5: I mean that movement basically collapsed too. Yeah, that was
Speaker 5: that was around that was like a Proud Boy adjacent
Speaker 5: if I'm remember incorrectly.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but yeah, but kind of wacky and cultish and
Speaker 7: yeah and extremely online like trolley, very trolly. Yeah, and
Speaker 7: you know, believed in like random violence and accelerationism and yep.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well the other thing massive like meme that's you know,
Speaker 1: hyper meme focused.
Speaker 2: So this like so that, yeah, I means God only
Speaker 2: knows what weird online subcultures exists that you know, relatively
Speaker 2: normal people have no idea about, you know, be careful
Speaker 2: parents what your kids are consuming on the internet.
Speaker 4: I'll just say that.
Speaker 2: I mean the other part, the other part to say
Speaker 2: about the press conference is cash retal has been you know,
Speaker 2: I mean it's been ridiculous during this whole thing, right,
Speaker 2: tweeting out, oh, we've got a subject in custody and
Speaker 2: then having hours later really well turn down that guy
Speaker 2: was in a sense, sorry, oops, we're still looking. They
Speaker 2: delayed that press conference yesterday, was supposed to be in
Speaker 2: the afternoon and reportedly, you know, it ended up not
Speaker 2: happening till like nine o'clock n at night, reportedly because
Speaker 2: they were waiting for Cash and maybe Bongino as well
Speaker 2: to get into town and then they just you know,
Speaker 2: stood there like idiots during the press like they hadn't
Speaker 2: they didn't actually speak or participate at all. So you
Speaker 2: delayed this press conference. They claimed it because it was
Speaker 2: because of rapid developments, which made everybody think, oh, they
Speaker 2: must be on the trail. That was not the case
Speaker 2: at that point, just so that he could be there
Speaker 2: for the photo ops. So clearly he was trying to
Speaker 2: project a lot of authority here in this particular press
Speaker 2: conference and a lot of command and using a lot
Speaker 2: of very Trumpian language about how historic the man hunt
Speaker 2: was and that's what happens when you let good cops
Speaker 2: be cops, was one of the things that he said
Speaker 2: to try to cover the fact that he did not
Speaker 2: come across as a strong leader here. And there was
Speaker 2: also a reporting about, listen, we know that a bunch
Speaker 2: of FBI agents have been pulled off at their jobs
Speaker 2: to assist ice. We know some of them have been
Speaker 2: like roaming the streets in DC. We know that the
Speaker 2: head of the Salt Lake City FBI office was fired
Speaker 2: we're not really sure why in recent weeks as well.
Speaker 2: So a lot of cya in this press conference from
Speaker 2: Cash Betel as well.
Speaker 5: Well, that's I mean, again, what we're learning just minute
Speaker 5: by minute here is the suspect. I find this very disturbing,
Speaker 5: and I think it should continue to disturb people, whether
Speaker 5: or not we can, you know, rightfully celebrate that the
Speaker 5: pictures were put out there and enough that someone came forward.
Speaker 5: That's all good, and I hope justice has served. This
Speaker 5: is a stone cold assassin who was able to escape
Speaker 5: a densely a densely packed event on a college campus
Speaker 5: and stay at large for over twenty four hours, so
Speaker 5: god knows what could have happened in that time period. Thankfully,
Speaker 5: you know, it doesn't look like anyone else was hurt.
Speaker 5: It doesn't look like that was the case. It doesn't
Speaker 5: look like more damage was done the twenty four hours.
Speaker 5: But if you have, again, a stone cold assassin who
Speaker 5: murders a political speaker in broad daylight in a densely
Speaker 5: packed area, I have no stomach to celebrate their father
Speaker 5: walking them into or their father turning them in more
Speaker 5: than twenty four hours after that happened. I don't think that,
Speaker 5: at least as of right now, reflects good police work
Speaker 5: at all. I actually think that picture of him from
Speaker 5: surveillance cameras.
Speaker 6: Probably could have been released.
Speaker 5: I don't want money Morning cornerback to me, quarterback it,
Speaker 5: but it does seem to me that could have been
Speaker 5: released within three hours of.
Speaker 6: The event happening rather than twenty four.
Speaker 5: So you have this mass panic, you have misinformation being
Speaker 5: leaked to the press in the twenty four hours because
Speaker 5: there was a killer on the loops, presumably in Utah.
Speaker 5: So I just I think, you know, it's too early
Speaker 5: to say any of that definitively because we don't know
Speaker 5: what was happening behind the scenes, but I think it's
Speaker 5: a very high possibility that this was actually a not great,
Speaker 5: a less than adequate investigation and law enforcement response.
Speaker 2: Not to mention the lack of prevention, when we know
Speaker 2: that this guy had been spotted on the roof multiple
Speaker 2: times prior to Charlie Kirk's arrival, and this tip was
Speaker 2: apparently you know, provided and nothing done. You know, the
Speaker 2: law enforcementisode, Charlie had his own security detail, and then
Speaker 2: there were apparently only six police officers there to secure
Speaker 2: the event, which you know, I know, like certainly the
Speaker 2: landscape for people doing public events of this sort going
Speaker 2: forward is going to be a very you know, very
Speaker 2: very different. I saw Ben Shapiro is apparently going to
Speaker 2: pick up the rust of this tour. This was supposed
Speaker 2: to be the first stop, first step, first stop on
Speaker 2: this new Charlie Kirk College tour.
Speaker 4: So he's going to pick that up.
Speaker 2: But you know, also we have to look at like,
Speaker 2: were there things that were missed leading up to the
Speaker 2: day that could have prevented did this horrific series of events?
Speaker 2: You know, for them, this horrific murder to start with.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean, obviously I have a lot of
Speaker 5: thoughts on that because part of like, I'm on the
Speaker 5: board of a group that does lectures for students and
Speaker 5: student chapters and all of that and have done it myself.
Speaker 5: And I checked in with some of my friends in
Speaker 5: that space and they made an interesting point, which is
Speaker 5: that our discourse has gotten so poisoned that it's now
Speaker 5: actually also difficult to do indoor events because when you
Speaker 5: do an indoor event, trolls will.
Speaker 6: Like buy up all of the tickets.
Speaker 5: And so it's actually why you've seen a lot of
Speaker 5: conservative speakers start doing outdoor events because it kind of
Speaker 5: makes it easier to be in front of the public
Speaker 5: and when you're doing campus stuff. Nobody has like the
Speaker 5: resources to screen the roofs, like local police departments don't,
Speaker 5: which to me is insane post Butler that you know,
Speaker 5: people would do an outdoor event without screening the roof.
Speaker 5: But then we're also just talking about college campuses where
Speaker 5: kids should be free to have speakers in and yell
Speaker 5: at them and challenge them and scream at them or
Speaker 5: whatever you should. I don't have to worry about a
Speaker 5: sniper on a roof. I mean, it's so insane that
Speaker 5: this is where we are. But you cannot be doing
Speaker 5: outdoor events anymore where you aren't clearing a roof that's
Speaker 5: two hundred feet away. It's that is such a pathetic
Speaker 5: commentary on the country. I mean, that is just unbelievable
Speaker 5: on a college campus where kids are just interacting with
Speaker 5: a thirty one year old like pundit, It's completely insane.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the studio I have been hit.
Speaker 2: There's there's going to be as we learn more about
Speaker 2: this individual, there's you know, a lot of room for
Speaker 2: commentary also about you know, internet culture and what it's
Speaker 2: doing to everyone's brains. You know, this appears to be
Speaker 2: a guy from a middle class family. You know that
Speaker 2: we don't know what the life was or what struggles
Speaker 2: might have existed or whatever. But you know, I thought,
Speaker 2: I actually thought, Emily, where you were going with your
Speaker 2: commentary when you say I don't have room for praise
Speaker 2: of you know, a father his son in twenty four
Speaker 2: hours later is I thought, you don't have room for
Speaker 2: praise of that father.
Speaker 4: Thank God you did the right thing in the h No.
Speaker 2: No, but you raised a killer and I do think
Speaker 2: that there's something to be said about you know, about
Speaker 2: that as well.
Speaker 5: So crazy, yeah, and who But this is what's so
Speaker 5: crazy about the internet too, is that you have kids
Speaker 5: from seemingly normal backgrounds who are parented well sometimes and
Speaker 5: again I'm not making assumptions in this case, but who
Speaker 5: are parented well and don't need to be partying and
Speaker 5: doing drugs to get into the wrong crowd because it's
Speaker 5: coming through the screen, and that screen is their portal
Speaker 5: into darkness. Whereas in the past, there was more friction
Speaker 5: you had to start, you know, getting involved in shady
Speaker 5: groups of friends or whatever it was, but now there's
Speaker 5: just way less friction to go down dark paths because
Speaker 5: it all comes from the little screen that you keep
Speaker 5: in your pocket, and that is horrifying.
Speaker 6: I can't imagine for parents how horrifying that is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is pretty horrifying. As a parent, I can
Speaker 2: tell you it is pretty horrifying, which just why you know,
Speaker 2: you definitely have to be aware of what your kids
Speaker 2: are doing with their time and who they're spending their
Speaker 2: time with. If they're you know, they're on their devices
Speaker 2: a lot, you need to take note of what sort
Speaker 2: of content they're consuming.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the Internet is real life, yes, and forget that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's rampant speculation on the timeline right now.
Speaker 2: Of course everybody it's a rorshack test, everybody seeing what
Speaker 2: they want to see in this guy and his profile
Speaker 2: and what he wrote on the bullets and whatever. So
Speaker 2: we'll we'll let that speculation go on. But is there
Speaker 2: are there are other stories you guys want to get to?
Speaker 2: Will a way to for more any more news With
Speaker 2: regard to Tyler Robinson, this is.
Speaker 6: All I've been able to think about philosophical days. I
Speaker 6: feel you on that.
Speaker 5: And it's crazy because there's a ton of stuff going.
Speaker 5: I mean, we had drones over the Polish skies. There's
Speaker 5: potential law enforcement going into Memphis. It's not as though
Speaker 5: this is a slow August news cycle as it was,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe a couple of weeks ago. This is
Speaker 5: a packed news cycle, and it just seems so hard
Speaker 5: to focus on anything else.
Speaker 2: Emily, how do you think that the that this murder
Speaker 2: will change like influencer culture and public events and how
Speaker 2: people think about their you know, their what they're doing
Speaker 2: and how much they're available, how what their security situation
Speaker 2: looks like? Like what are you hearing from people on
Speaker 2: the conservative side on that.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm scheduled to be on Megan Kelly's tour
Speaker 5: this fall, actually on a stop in San Antonio with Glenn,
Speaker 5: and you can imagine Glenn. I can't imagine the security
Speaker 5: that Glenn has to worry about constantly.
Speaker 6: So, I mean, I haven't heard anything in that space.
Speaker 6: I don't know what's up.
Speaker 5: I assume everything is going as planned, but I also
Speaker 5: just am so I don't know about you guys, Like
Speaker 5: I'm so blackpilled that a lot of what you know,
Speaker 5: elite influencer prominent, high profile influencer culture says it just
Speaker 5: seems like there's such a dark subculture of irony posting
Speaker 5: and all of that that I'm I'm.
Speaker 6: Glad I liked how Dean Withers reacted.
Speaker 5: I thought that was extremely classy, and I thought his
Speaker 5: raw emotion was really powerful. And I think, you know,
Speaker 5: probably eighty percent of gen Z watches Dean Withers, whether
Speaker 5: than the left of the right, and says that was
Speaker 5: a really that was the appropriate reaction.
Speaker 6: That's what this country should be about.
Speaker 5: Or Jank like that was that's exactly what this country
Speaker 5: should be about, but doesn't to some extent. This is
Speaker 5: the problem is with the other twenty percent or ten
Speaker 5: percent or whoever it is, who are not at all.
Speaker 5: I mean, they feel like they have no control or
Speaker 5: agency and they don't give a fuck what you know,
Speaker 5: how Dean Withers.
Speaker 6: Or Jank reacts or how anyone else reacts.
Speaker 5: It just doesn't matter to them because it's all cringe
Speaker 5: and everything is ironic and there's a nihilism to it
Speaker 5: that I mean. I think influencers are probably going to
Speaker 5: do some really great stuff over the next year and
Speaker 5: be great about civic debate and push each other in
Speaker 5: public and you know, try to have like really hard conversations.
Speaker 5: I think that's great. Do maybe more of what we
Speaker 5: do which is left on right as as often as possible.
Speaker 6: I think that's all great.
Speaker 5: But to me, I don't know that that makes any
Speaker 5: difference whatsoever with the five percent of just utterly nihilistic
Speaker 5: people who were disillusioned with the political system.
Speaker 2: Yeah, unfortunately, I'm less hopeful that that even will be thencome.
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess for some influencers, but most of
Speaker 2: what I saw was, you know, I mean, frankly, most
Speaker 2: of what I saw often the right, from Trump on down,
Speaker 2: was like, this is war. We want vengeance, Let's crack
Speaker 2: down on free speech, Let's destroy them. You know, they
Speaker 2: want to kill us, this is this is war, et cetera.
Speaker 2: And so I didn't really see many people out there
Speaker 2: using it as a moment to say, hey, let's come
Speaker 2: together and you know, let's turn down the temperature and
Speaker 2: resolve our differences. So and you know, again, you've got
Speaker 2: an arsonist in the in the White House. I just
Speaker 2: you know, Ryan, I know you were one of the
Speaker 2: reasons we really wanted to have you on yesterday, and
Speaker 2: you were traveling so here and able to but we
Speaker 2: were trying to think of historic parallels to this moment,
Speaker 2: because you knows, as awful as it is for someone
Speaker 2: to take a shot of the president.
Speaker 4: That's part of American history. There's always going to be people.
Speaker 2: Who want to kill president, even you know, even the legislators,
Speaker 2: the Minnesota legislators, that legislator who was killed in the
Speaker 2: legislators that were targeted. It's like, okay, well these are
Speaker 2: still political officials. Like very unsettling. But part of what
Speaker 2: made this so shocking and really sort of solidified for
Speaker 2: me that we're living through this very different era, like
Speaker 2: it's not new, we're living through it is the fact
Speaker 2: that he is this. You know, he's an influencer, he's
Speaker 2: an activist. Obviously, it hits really close to home. But
Speaker 2: you know, what do you see in terms of historic parallels?
Speaker 2: Are there other periods of American life that we can
Speaker 2: look to as being even somewhat analogous here?
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I watched you guys talk about it yesterday
Speaker 7: and Soccer's right, So yeah, I said, you know, I
Speaker 7: couldn't think of anything other than the pre Civil War period,
Speaker 7: which is very ominous because you know, that's a dark
Speaker 7: like fifteen years heading into what then becomes the Civil War.
Speaker 7: And he he flagged them famous example yesterday which was
Speaker 7: a which is this guy Elijah Lovejoy who was I
Speaker 7: believe in Ohio, either Kentucky or Ohio newspaper editor who
Speaker 7: was a hardcore abolitionist and murdered by you know, bro,
Speaker 7: you know, pro slavery forces. His cousin. I'm not his cousin.
Speaker 7: I think it was his brother. Oh what people can
Speaker 7: wikipedie all this. But his brother was Owen Lovejoy, who
Speaker 7: was a congressman who was anti slavery congressman who was
Speaker 7: also turns out a a an ally of then wig
Speaker 7: politician Abraham Lincoln. And when when Lincoln was running for president,
Speaker 7: it was it was really there was there was a
Speaker 7: lot of skepticism about him from the anti slavery side.
Speaker 7: It was Lincoln really with us or not? And it
Speaker 7: was Owen Lovejoy who basically was Lincoln's kind of validator
Speaker 7: to the left saying no like and and you know, no, no,
Speaker 7: he's one of us. He just can't really say it
Speaker 7: because he's trying to win a national election. And Ohen
Speaker 7: Lovejoy got so much of his own credibility, not just
Speaker 7: from his own politics, but from the fact that he
Speaker 7: was the brother of this martyred anti slavery editor Elijah
Speaker 7: Lovejoy and martyrs play a radicalizing role in in all movements.
Speaker 7: You know, Chris Edges mentioned this yesterday on Twitter that
Speaker 7: when when when movements, When when somebody has martyred in
Speaker 7: a movement like Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 8: Just was.
Speaker 7: It, it sanctifies violence, no matter what that particular person
Speaker 7: felt about violence. In Kirk's case, he was, you know,
Speaker 7: strongly for discourse. You can hate what he said, but
Speaker 7: he was about persuasion and argumentation. You can you can
Speaker 7: hate that he was for argumentation on behalf of something
Speaker 7: that you think is terrible, but he was not advocating
Speaker 7: for for violence. But what happens with his martyrdom is
Speaker 7: that now people in the movement who call for discussion
Speaker 7: and debate will say, no, you know, Charlie Kirk tried that,
Speaker 7: or you know, Elijah Lovejoy tried that, and look what
Speaker 7: happened to him. He was killed by our evil enemies.
Speaker 7: And the only thing we can do is war like that.
Speaker 7: That's the only option that's that's left to us. And
Speaker 7: if you don't do that, you are betraying the legacy
Speaker 7: of our marker. And and it's very hard internally in
Speaker 7: those factional arguments to argue against that, even if you
Speaker 7: can point to and this states, you know, not that
Speaker 7: Charlie Kirk is MLK, but like MLKA was very you know,
Speaker 7: all about nonviolence. But what a lot of people said
Speaker 7: afterwards is we'll look what it got him. You know,
Speaker 7: it got him killed. The only path forward is to
Speaker 7: fight for him, and to fight violently for him.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, because it's I forget who said this, but
Speaker 5: it it's it shows someone who's like trying to have
Speaker 5: a back and forth and trying to say, like, let's
Speaker 5: let's debate. Let's uh, you know, debate really rowdily if
Speaker 5: that's an adverb, but let's let's do it.
Speaker 6: And that effort was ended with a bullet.
Speaker 1: So what messages that say, don't do that anymore?
Speaker 6: Like it's not your gen z.
Speaker 5: Charlie Kirk has been an ever present fixture of your
Speaker 5: social media diet for five to ten years, and that
Speaker 5: doesn't matter whether you're political or not. This kid was
Speaker 5: on south Park. This guy was on South Park because
Speaker 5: he was well known enough to be parodied on.
Speaker 6: A pop culture platform like that.
Speaker 5: And you have for years been scrolling through this guy
Speaker 5: yelling at the libs, debating on college campuses all of
Speaker 5: that on a podcast, and suddenly the video that you
Speaker 5: scroll past is him engaged in that very say, same
Speaker 5: act and ending literally in a geyser of blood. The
Speaker 5: point that some people will take from that is, you know,
Speaker 5: dialogue doesn't work. It doesn't work because you can end
Speaker 5: it with a bullet and that's a horrifying there's a
Speaker 5: horrifying takeaway that people might walk away with.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Chris Hedges wrote a piece Brian, I don't know if
Speaker 2: you read it that talked some about, you know, the
Speaker 2: role of the martyr, and I thought made some very
Speaker 2: salient points about the way that a martyr can be
Speaker 2: used in a movement to further radicalize. And this isn't speculative,
Speaker 2: Like you can go and look on the timeline at
Speaker 2: the number of people who were saying that's it, gloves
Speaker 2: are off.
Speaker 4: Now we're waging war.
Speaker 2: They want to kill us, and then President of the
Speaker 2: United States, as we played earlier, saying you know, well,
Speaker 2: you know, it would be nice if we could solve
Speaker 2: it at the ballot, but that's not really possible because
Speaker 2: it's we don't even have a ballot box.
Speaker 4: It's so rigged, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 2: So you know, that's what's like when you add those
Speaker 2: the sense of political existential stakes, which in some ways,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean the states of politics are high. Right,
Speaker 2: there's I don't want to sugarcoat it, like there is
Speaker 2: a reality that the political stakes are high in fact,
Speaker 2: and then you add to it this tinder box of
Speaker 2: gun culture, untreated mental illness, mass inequality, increasing the economics
Speaker 2: that we have been covering the economic numbers this week,
Speaker 2: but they're not looking great. Things continue to trend to
Speaker 2: higher inflation, higher inflation, higher unemployment, more jobless claims, et cetera.
Speaker 2: And you know, and then you have these other existential
Speaker 2: fears over AI, over climate crisis, over you know, migration
Speaker 2: for some see that as an existential, you know, existential
Speaker 2: type fear. And you're looking at you're looking at a
Speaker 2: powder keg. That's that's the sense. And you know, Ryan,
Speaker 2: do you think that the so I don't. I don't
Speaker 2: particularly enjoy the pre Civil war comparison. That one is
Speaker 2: really scary. I don't love the seventies comparison either, but
Speaker 2: I guess it's somewhat less scary. Like do you think
Speaker 2: do you see parallels with that time period as well.
Speaker 7: The yes, and probably more so with than than with
Speaker 7: pre Civil War, because, as you pointed out on the
Speaker 7: show yesterday, the slaver class and also the anti slavery
Speaker 7: folks properly understood the fight over slavery as as existential
Speaker 7: and fundamental to the soul of the country. What is
Speaker 7: what is that today?
Speaker 1: Like that?
Speaker 7: Does that doesn't exist? Like that the two parties agree on,
Speaker 7: like most things, Ran, I.
Speaker 5: Don't know if you've you've ever read the biography of
Speaker 5: Barry Goldwater that Lee Edwards wrote.
Speaker 6: It's a he was a historian.
Speaker 5: He was actually at the Heritage Foundation for a really
Speaker 5: long time, but he was Goldwater's comms director.
Speaker 6: He was at the March on Washington. He was involved
Speaker 6: in a lot of the.
Speaker 5: Like conservative political activism in the rise of the Reagan Revolution.
Speaker 5: And my friend Chris Bedford and I talked to him
Speaker 5: in June of twenty twenty as DC was like in
Speaker 5: a state of rolling crisis and asked him how it
Speaker 5: compared to nineteen sixty eight. And I've taken a lot
Speaker 5: of heat for reposting this just in the last like
Speaker 5: I don't know, forty eight hours whatever it is now,
Speaker 5: But he said, he told us when we asked how
Speaker 5: it compared to nineteen sixty eight, I was kind of
Speaker 5: like saying, like pushing him. I thought to say, like, no,
Speaker 5: it's not as bad, don't be hysterical whatever. And he said,
Speaker 5: now it's worse than nineteen sixty eight because some of
Speaker 5: those like institutional points of consensus have frayed, and that
Speaker 5: is a very very different time to and that is
Speaker 5: like so that you do the Civil War parallels feel
Speaker 5: more accurate in a point like that.
Speaker 2: So, guys, I want to sorry. People are sharing a
Speaker 2: clip and now let me see if I can play
Speaker 2: it of the governor talking about how family members believe
Speaker 2: that Robinson had become more political in recent years. So
Speaker 2: let me go ahead and see if I can share
Speaker 2: this clip and we can react to it.
Speaker 14: On the other side, investigators interviewed a family member Robinson,
Speaker 14: who stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years.
Speaker 14: The family member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson
Speaker 14: came to dinner prior to September tenth, and in the
Speaker 14: conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was
Speaker 14: coming to UVU. They talked about why they didn't like
Speaker 14: him and the viewpoints that he had. The family member
Speaker 14: also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.
Speaker 14: The family member also confirmed Robinson had a gray Dodge Challenger.
Speaker 14: Investigators identified an individual as the roommate of Robinson. Investigators
Speaker 14: interviewed that roommate, who stated that his roommate, referring to Robinson,
Speaker 14: made a joke on discord. Investigators asked if he would
Speaker 14: show them the messages on discord. He opened it and
Speaker 14: showed several messages to investigators and allowed investigators to take
Speaker 14: photos of the screen as each message was shown by
Speaker 14: Robinson's roommate. These photos consisted of various messages, including content
Speaker 14: of messages between the phone contact named Tyler with an
Speaker 14: emoji icon and Robinson's roommate's device.
Speaker 2: So the commentary there again as that spoke to a
Speaker 2: relative who had been with Tyler just recently. Tyler mentioned
Speaker 2: Charlie's coming into down, talked about why he hated them
Speaker 2: him and said he was full of hate. I can
Speaker 2: tell you the what a lot of people on the
Speaker 2: right are saying online is they're tying it into Oh,
Speaker 2: he went to college and became radicalized, so you know,
Speaker 2: and radicalized against the right and you know, became this
Speaker 2: like murderous antifa guy, and so you can already see
Speaker 2: you know, the obviously this administration already has been very
Speaker 2: aggressive against universities. The right has been very this has
Speaker 2: been part of a political ideological project anyway, So I
Speaker 2: fully suspect that piece will be used further to go
Speaker 2: after and.
Speaker 7: You know, maybe this is maybe this is me just
Speaker 7: reaching for what I want to be true. But uh,
Speaker 7: if filled with hate recently becoming filled with hate, would
Speaker 7: they would they be using that in the context of
Speaker 7: becoming anti fascist.
Speaker 1: I couldn't tell that, yeah, filled with hate.
Speaker 2: I couldn't tell if he was saying that he was
Speaker 2: filled with hate Tyler, or whether he was saying Charlie
Speaker 2: Kirk was filled with hate and that's why he didn't
Speaker 2: like him.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 2: It was a little bit unclear in what the governor
Speaker 2: was saying there, but people are taking you are saying
Speaker 2: it to mean that Tyler was saying Kirk was filled
Speaker 2: with hate.
Speaker 7: Does he say did he say anything? And maybe we
Speaker 7: can find more of this clip, but did he say
Speaker 7: anything about what these messages were? Like the clip cut
Speaker 7: off where he before he told like what the jokes
Speaker 7: were that he was telling and what the messages were.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen. I have not seen that, but we'll
Speaker 2: keep We'll keep looking and seeing if seeing if they
Speaker 2: indicated what those Discord messages were, because yeah, that would
Speaker 2: certainly be that would certainly be relevant to.
Speaker 5: Know and and this, you know, we don't need to
Speaker 5: even continue finding way to underscore this, but the fact
Speaker 5: that someone was posting messages on Discord, I think, you know,
Speaker 5: we've we've seen the furry reference so far Discord. That's
Speaker 5: indicative of somebody who is deep, deep in online culture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the radicalization seems less to be doe with, you know,
Speaker 2: whatever academic institution he was at, and more to do
Speaker 2: with whatever Discord server he was at.
Speaker 7: Also, the the arrows, it looks like and maybe people
Speaker 7: have some better clue into this, you know where they
Speaker 7: said that down right.
Speaker 2: Or up side upright, down down down, Yeah, fire.
Speaker 1: Too, I mean hell divers too or what?
Speaker 4: That's what I had to run some video game meme.
Speaker 6: The time says.
Speaker 5: The list of messages on the suspects casing is described
Speaker 5: by a government cox include apparent references to online culture
Speaker 5: and gaming quote up arrow, right arrow and three down
Speaker 5: arrow symbols as described by Cox, maybe a reference, uh
Speaker 5: maybe a re so a sequence of moves on a
Speaker 5: controller that released a bomb in the video game Hell Divers.
Speaker 5: Oh wow, another engraving quest. Owo, what's this? Is a
Speaker 5: phrase used for trolling in online role play communities.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a furry specific I guess. I don't know.
Speaker 2: The Internet was a mistake. I don't know, guys, what
Speaker 2: to tell you? What to tell you? She is onto
Speaker 2: something in China, shut it down? I mean it's this
Speaker 2: is yeah, I mean, the most twenty twenty five thing
Speaker 2: you can imagine.
Speaker 1: Like total gam gamer troll.
Speaker 2: Brain rot gamer troll engravings on you know, bullets that
Speaker 2: are used to murder a prominent activist, an online influencer,
Speaker 2: and with the videos being streamed into our feats basically
Speaker 2: in real time so that we can all over and
Speaker 2: over again watch watch one of the gorious, most horrific
Speaker 2: things you can possibly imagine, Like what what hell are
Speaker 2: we living through?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Seriously, I.
Speaker 5: Yep, it's hard to understand right now what this is
Speaker 5: going to do to zoomers who have already seen so much.
Speaker 5: I mean, I think back, I'm slightly younger than you guys.
Speaker 5: You guys were like your brains were fully formed when
Speaker 5: some of the like beheading videos we're hitting Twitter in
Speaker 5: you know circle like twenty thirteen.
Speaker 6: I forget when.
Speaker 5: Fully was, but I saw that when I was like
Speaker 5: probably sixteen, And it's not normal for the human brain
Speaker 5: to experience that. It's not normal for the species to
Speaker 5: experience that. Where it's you can zoom in, you can
Speaker 5: it's posted so many times in the hours after Charlie
Speaker 5: was shot. It was I probably saw it fifteen different
Speaker 5: times on my feed, you know, if you were trying
Speaker 5: to get the news on a mainstream website. It's not
Speaker 5: like this was in the bowels of you know, something
Speaker 5: somebody downloaded on like bear share and sent to their
Speaker 5: friends over email.
Speaker 6: Like that's not what it was.
Speaker 5: It was on a mainstream website, and it sounds tripe
Speaker 5: to us now, But I'm just thinking to somebody who
Speaker 5: was like probably sixteen and saw a human being beheaded multiple.
Speaker 6: Times, like this is so much worse.
Speaker 5: I mean, they saw Brian Thompson, they saw all of
Speaker 5: that all over, and it's a level of exposure to
Speaker 5: violence that previously only would have existed in like war zones.
Speaker 5: But even then you're experiencing something physically and in person,
Speaker 5: and the disconnected nature of watching a total stranger that
Speaker 5: you will never meet, you do not know, and then
Speaker 5: being incentivized to weigh in either with a great thought
Speaker 5: that's classy, or with a horrible thought because the algorithm
Speaker 5: that pushed that video to you is also demanding a
Speaker 5: response from you. We're so absolutely fucking cooked. We're just cooked.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, what else can you say?
Speaker 2: Like, And that's before we even talk about the you know,
Speaker 2: the images of a genocide that we've been seeing every
Speaker 2: single day, the horrific video of Arena who was murdered
Speaker 2: on a you know, public transit, and this is like
Speaker 2: maybe I'm misremembering, but the beheading videos, like you had
Speaker 2: to like actually like I never watched it. You had
Speaker 2: to like kind of intentionally. This was almost unavoidable.
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Ryan, No, no, I I we were breaking
Speaker 7: that in real time, and I'm going to head it up.
Speaker 7: And then I put it in a different tab because
Speaker 7: I didn't want to see it. Yeah, and then as
Speaker 7: and then I was I'm going back to working later,
Speaker 7: I clicked on that tab not knowing what it was,
Speaker 7: and there it was, and it's still in my mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that image of Charlie will ever be
Speaker 2: out of my mind because it was I mean, it
Speaker 2: was horrifying. And I just you know, one thing that
Speaker 2: I can't quite fully describe or put my finger on,
Speaker 2: but like, think about, Okay, this killer puts these brain
Speaker 2: rot memes, engraves them intentionally, like went out of his
Speaker 2: way to do this so that you and I and
Speaker 2: Ryan and the whole world could talk about it and
Speaker 2: decipher his Internet memes that he put on there for lulls.
Speaker 2: And there's this sense of there's this sense of disconnect
Speaker 2: and unreality where it's like it's that nihilistic nothing matters,
Speaker 2: you know, the more like outrageous thing you say, the
Speaker 2: more like disgusting and hateful thing you say, the more
Speaker 2: sort of notoriety you get. And and this sense that
Speaker 2: other humans are quote unquote NPCs, right, they're not really real.
Speaker 2: I mean there's just this I don't know, this sense
Speaker 2: of sort of disconnect from your fellow human. And there
Speaker 2: are always going to be sociopathic type people out there
Speaker 2: who just naturally have that disconnect from humanity and are
Speaker 2: able to you know, pull a trigger and blow someone's
Speaker 2: tibits from you know, two hundred yards away and you know,
Speaker 2: have no regrets about it or whatever, or.
Speaker 6: A knife in the case of Arena, right, Like, that's it.
Speaker 2: Right, So that was a very intimate murder. You know,
Speaker 2: that's very intimate to be that close and to murder
Speaker 2: someone in that way. But yeah, I just I have
Speaker 2: a feeling like this type of Internet nihilism is converting
Speaker 2: many more people into basically like sociopaths with little sense
Speaker 2: of fellow common humanity.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's what Like, I'm genuinely not trying to
Speaker 5: make this a partisan or anti Trump comment. I'm saying
Speaker 5: this as somebody who's Charlie Kirk's age thirty two. He
Speaker 5: was about to turn thirty two when Donald Trump says
Speaker 5: what he said about elections, that is something you heard
Speaker 5: from the Fringes when I was growing up, when we
Speaker 5: were growing up. And the fact that that came out
Speaker 5: of the president of the United States, president the United
Speaker 5: States mouth after so many people in gen z just
Speaker 5: saw what they saw. I think genuinely, like boomers, people
Speaker 5: in Trump's demo have no idea what type of rocket
Speaker 5: fuel that is for nihilism and violence and danger, and
Speaker 5: it horrifies me to think about that combination.
Speaker 6: It really really does.
Speaker 2: I mean Ryan the you know, some of the violent
Speaker 2: weather underground and those type of movements. I mean I
Speaker 2: feel like that comes from a similar place of like,
Speaker 2: you know, oh well we the political system like failed us,
Speaker 2: and so you know, there's this is this is the
Speaker 2: only thing that Matt, this is the only thing that
Speaker 2: could work. I mean you can also see it in
Speaker 2: terms of like, uh, this, you know, the parallels are
Speaker 2: not perfect guys here, so forgive me. But the Hamas
Speaker 2: Palestinian like violent resistance too. It's like, hey, we tried,
Speaker 2: we tried, this thing didn't work, so our only path
Speaker 2: forward is is violence.
Speaker 7: The difference between uh you know that kind of organized
Speaker 7: violence and this is that what you could hate it,
Speaker 7: but it has and you can disagree, like I think
Speaker 7: the weathermen were reckless adventurists who uh you know, on
Speaker 7: and on people care about my you know weather ut
Speaker 7: of ground critique. But like the point is like they
Speaker 7: had they had an idea, like they were going to
Speaker 7: spark a revolution whatever, Like it had an it had
Speaker 7: a one two three, there.
Speaker 6: Was a grand strategy.
Speaker 1: I think it's an.
Speaker 7: Outrageous one two three and stupid and counterproductive and blah blah,
Speaker 7: but it was a the was a one two three,
Speaker 7: Like what is this?
Speaker 1: Like this feels like trolling.
Speaker 7: It feels like taking someone's life in the most with
Speaker 7: the flick of a wrist with for a personal catharsis
Speaker 7: and just joking like like you're in a discord server
Speaker 7: like to but this is to take someone's life with
Speaker 7: references to like video game memes and meme and furry
Speaker 7: memes is so sacrilegious to humanity. Mm hmmm, So keep
Speaker 7: that on discord, like you want to.
Speaker 6: Feel you want to feel black pilled.
Speaker 5: The weather underground could actually organize a group of physical
Speaker 5: people to plan.
Speaker 7: Right that way, they blew them so, they blew themselves up,
Speaker 7: but at least they were able to get more than
Speaker 7: one person in a room.
Speaker 5: They were not yet they were they right, right right,
Speaker 5: And so that's a huge difference from a lone wolf
Speaker 5: Internet radicals or Internet nihilists, because think about I mean
Speaker 5: think about this that he was not part of a
Speaker 5: literal underground community of dozens of people who are organizing
Speaker 5: in back rooms.
Speaker 6: This is somebody who was alone.
Speaker 5: When you are part of a radical revolutionary group, whether
Speaker 5: it was right or left underground or whatever else. These
Speaker 5: are people who had, like that was a sense of
Speaker 5: purpose and belonging community. This is somebody who has no
Speaker 5: and that's all like everything that Ryan said underscore, like awful,
Speaker 5: horrible way to define community through violence like that. But
Speaker 5: this is somebody who is who's trying to find purpose
Speaker 5: in saying there is no purpose and is trying to
Speaker 5: make that point the Oh my god, I mean, it's
Speaker 5: just so depressing to think about.
Speaker 7: I think I have a clip here that's a little
Speaker 7: bit more of the the family member stuff if you
Speaker 7: want to roll back through this again, just like so.
Speaker 4: We can see if are you able to share it Ryan.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me do it here.
Speaker 14: The family member also confirmed Robinson had a Gray Dodge Challenger.
Speaker 14: Investigators identified an individual as the roommate of Robinson. Investigators
Speaker 14: interviewed that roommate, who stated that his roommate, referring to Robinson,
Speaker 14: made a joke on discord. Investigators asked if you would
Speaker 14: show them the messages on discord. He opened it and
Speaker 14: showed several messages to investigators and allowed investigators to take
Speaker 14: photos of the screen as each message was shown.
Speaker 8: By Robinson's roommate.
Speaker 14: These photos consisted of various messages, including content of messages
Speaker 14: between the phone contact named Tyler with an emoji icon
Speaker 14: and Robinson's roommate's device. The content of these messages included
Speaker 14: messages affiliated with the contact Tyler, stating a need to
Speaker 14: retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle
Speaker 14: in a bush. Messages related to a to visually watching
Speaker 14: the area where a rifle was left, and a message
Speaker 14: referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel.
Speaker 14: The messages also referred to engraving bullets and a mention
Speaker 14: of a scope and the rifle being unique. Messages from
Speaker 14: the contact Tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits. Wow,
Speaker 14: I know there has been speculation as well as to
Speaker 14: the writing on those casings, those those bullet casings, and I.
Speaker 8: Believe we have that as well. We already do this
Speaker 8: and I'll share that with you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we already got the casings.
Speaker 2: But the so, in my understanding, right, this man murdered
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk and then went on a discord server to
Speaker 2: be like talking about the gun and talking about changing
Speaker 2: his clothes and basically.
Speaker 1: Talking about it seking his roommate for help.
Speaker 4: Is that what I'm understanding here.
Speaker 1: That he's doing.
Speaker 7: He's doing that police talk, which makes it deliberately difficult
Speaker 7: to translate into English, but that.
Speaker 4: Does That is wild. That is wild.
Speaker 2: You did this and you got away, you left your gun,
Speaker 2: and you're like talking about the gun, talking about where
Speaker 2: you left it, talking about how you changed your clothes,
Speaker 2: bringing about this to your buddy on a discord server,
Speaker 2: like when it.
Speaker 6: Took twenty four plus hours.
Speaker 5: They didn't until this person's again, like until this person's
Speaker 5: dad turned them in.
Speaker 6: This was in a.
Speaker 5: Public place full of CCTV at a densely crowded event,
Speaker 5: and this person is bragging about it on a discord
Speaker 5: server afterwards, and the FBI more than twenty four hours
Speaker 5: in about thirty six hours in had nothing except for
Speaker 5: by the grace of God, this person's father had the
Speaker 5: willpower to turn them in. So increasingly looking like from
Speaker 5: my perspective right now, is increasingly looking like uh, possible
Speaker 5: antif nihilism, but also horrific.
Speaker 6: Law enforcement response.
Speaker 5: I mean, just what the hell of crazy?
Speaker 6: That's so dangerous? It's so dangerous.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there and and then cash hotel has the
Speaker 2: temerity to go out and brag about how historic and
Speaker 2: how incredible, how incredible of a job they'd done. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I Mean the truth is that you don't.
Speaker 7: Law enforcement doesn't have to be that great. If you
Speaker 7: if a picture gets out, like, right, you're gonna get
Speaker 7: You're gonna get found.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because everybody is the public, right, and almost all
Speaker 2: the public is going to be on your side. Right,
Speaker 2: There's gonna be very few that would actually be willing
Speaker 2: to you know, harbor the Charlie Kirk murder, not turn
Speaker 2: them in, you know, right.
Speaker 7: So unless he's you know, going you have to wear
Speaker 7: a ski mask and then people be like, what the
Speaker 7: hell are you doing wearing a ski mask?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 1: Maybe the other so just during the pandemic, maybe could
Speaker 1: have stuck in.
Speaker 2: You could have gotten away with it. Yeah, Or if
Speaker 2: you're posing as an ice agent, you could pull out.
Speaker 1: All that's true. I'm an ice agent on the roof.
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, yeah, that would be been even more of
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty five murder. And then the other aspect
Speaker 2: of it, you know, to add to the sort of
Speaker 2: dystopian unreality, the whole thing, because I know you guys
Speaker 2: saw this, like influencer who was there, who was posting
Speaker 2: to TikTok, like follow me on TikTok, and like mugging
Speaker 2: for the camera, which again is like, you know, even
Speaker 2: as you're living through this horror, you're still like somehow
Speaker 2: disconnected from it, even as you're like in the real world,
Speaker 2: still disconnected from it. And after the fact, I know,
Speaker 2: we like apologize, I'll be a better creator, whatever, but
Speaker 2: you're like disconnected from the very reality and the humanity
Speaker 2: that you are existing with and living through.
Speaker 5: Because your reality is that your career is tied to
Speaker 5: the algorithm, and so you are This is like Marshall mccleuan,
Speaker 5: You are as a human being changed by the medium
Speaker 5: that is controlling your life. And these mediums are not
Speaker 5: changing us for the better. There's just clearly we are
Speaker 5: being warped into our own thought processes having dictation by
Speaker 5: the algorithm because you start thinking in terms of the algorithm,
Speaker 5: and people need to be extremely careful about it, and
Speaker 5: we aren't, and the tech companies aren't. The tech companies
Speaker 5: X included Elon Musk is condemning all of this, but
Speaker 5: he owns a company that has one of the most
Speaker 5: major roles in poisoning US algorithmically, poisoning US algorithmically. So
Speaker 5: it's just like it reminds me of the video of
Speaker 5: that went viral in a totally different vein of that
Speaker 5: young man who was saying he was working really hard
Speaker 5: and couldn't get ahead, that went megaviral like a month ago,
Speaker 5: and it was he was dead on in his description
Speaker 5: of the economy. It was, it was accurate, it was poignant.
Speaker 5: And then you look at the bottom of the TikTok
Speaker 5: and it says things like hashtag follow me, and it's
Speaker 5: think about that, I mean, hashtag follow me, hashtag so
Speaker 5: like you had hashtags basically.
Speaker 6: Being like I want to become an influencer something to
Speaker 6: that extent.
Speaker 5: And it's just like that is just I don't know
Speaker 5: that you could possibly be much more depressed about the
Speaker 5: state of the country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's an accelerant, Like I don't
Speaker 2: think it starts with the social media. I think it's
Speaker 2: it's an accelerant the internet culture for a society that's
Speaker 2: already sick in any number of ways. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't I don't know what to say about it. And
Speaker 2: we can wrap up here pretty soon, because I don't
Speaker 2: I don't see you know, I don't know what else
Speaker 2: we're going to get right now. But Ryan, you got
Speaker 2: any any last thoughts you want to add in here?
Speaker 7: No, I mean the only uh, you know, for people
Speaker 7: like myself who don't want this to be like a leftist,
Speaker 7: the only hope is that he's trolling with his hey
Speaker 7: fascist catch and that sort of stuff, mellow chow and
Speaker 7: the belli chow. That that that that's that, that's some kind
Speaker 7: of a troll in a in a misdirection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think I hear Mac. What's Mac saying?
Speaker 5: Oh? No, that was actually it was you heard yourself
Speaker 5: through my microphone, gotcha?
Speaker 7: So, uh, you know, these are just you know, dark, dark,
Speaker 7: dark times really and it's uh, it's still hard to
Speaker 7: believe that Charlie Kirk is dead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is just thinking that it feels it's crazy.
Speaker 2: And I mean that's the other aspect of this is
Speaker 2: Emily you brought up like the parasocial relationship that millions
Speaker 2: have with him and will experience this as if you
Speaker 2: know someone who's genuinely close to them.
Speaker 4: Was gil mm hmmm, h m hm.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's so like and that can go
Speaker 5: in really positive directions for some people. But again, I'm
Speaker 5: not worried about the people who are reacting healthily to this,
Speaker 5: because I know that there's a large group of people
Speaker 5: that aren't going to react ealthily to this because they
Speaker 5: have no community, they have no friends, but they have
Speaker 5: a they have a computer. And I'm just going to
Speaker 5: put this before we wrap. I just want to put
Speaker 5: this image that we've gotten in of Charlie's widow now
Speaker 5: widow on the screen because it is just you just
Speaker 5: look at her face and the video emerge of her
Speaker 5: exiting Air Force two with Ushavants and just gripping Ontosha Vance. Obviously,
Speaker 5: JD was very close friends with with Charlie. Charlie helped
Speaker 5: get JD onto the ticket by lobbying behind the scenes
Speaker 5: with what Don Junior uh And so this is something
Speaker 5: that this administration, I mean again at the White House yesterday,
Speaker 5: those young Trump staffers, that the level of doom that
Speaker 5: was ever present hanging in the air the entire day
Speaker 5: and shock it just you know, it's it's one way
Speaker 5: I think, you know, we're talking now about how people
Speaker 5: in the public are experiencing this, and that's right, because
Speaker 5: it's crazy. But just also think about how closely this
Speaker 5: is touching the way that we talked about this earlier,
Speaker 5: the reactions from this administration. This is so so personal,
Speaker 5: so personal. So it's a really scary time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Trump had no like direct personal connection to
Speaker 2: big Balls. This is someone he knew and knew closely
Speaker 2: and you know, was looped in within minute station in
Speaker 2: any number of ways. So we'll see where we go
Speaker 2: from here. Anything else, guys.
Speaker 6: I just hope you guys, uh, stay safe.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I appreciate you guys, I'll say that, and
Speaker 2: you know, I let's we'll end on the good news.
Speaker 4: It's good news that this guy.
Speaker 2: Got caught, good news that he's in custody, good news
Speaker 2: that you know, they've got him. And I'm sure we're
Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna learn a lot more here and you know, well,
Speaker 2: if there's anything that pops up big over the weekend, guys,
Speaker 2: one or the other of us will try to cover it. Otherwise,
Speaker 2: Soccer and I will be in studio for a normal
Speaker 2: show on Monday, and we will see you then.
Speaker 6: Pull people out of nihilism.
Speaker 5: By the way, sorry, I just want to say, because
Speaker 5: like we have some very online people and we're grateful
Speaker 5: for all of you.
Speaker 6: If you see someone going down a dark path, do
Speaker 6: what you can to pull them out of it. That's
Speaker 6: the best we can all do right now.
Speaker 4: Yep, all right, guys, talk to you soon.