WEBVTT - 9/12/25: Charlie Kirk Assassin NAMED: What We Know 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.720 Hey, guys, Sager and Crystal. 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:04.680 Here, independent media just played a truly massive role in 0:00:04.680 --> 0:00:07.480 this election, and we are so excited about what that 0:00:07.520 --> 0:00:08.720 means for the future of this show. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:10.760 This is the only place where you can find honest 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.239 perspectives from the left and the right that simply does 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:14.680 not exist anywhere else. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:17.080 So if that is something that's important to you, please 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.599 go to Breakingpoints dot com. 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But let me ask you guys this question. 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:45.040 Do you think I'm right that even if it is 0:00:45.080 --> 0:00:48.240 like a clear cutcase of like some white nationalist or 0:00:48.280 --> 0:00:51.879 groper type or whatever that this guy turns out to be, 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:55.040 that Trump will just pretend that it's otherwise or use 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:56.680 this anyway to his ends. 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.480 I'm curious about him saying yesterday he had some sense 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:07.759 of the motive before this. That tells me that maybe 0:01:07.760 --> 0:01:10.440 they think or they thought they had reason to believe 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.280 that there's some I don't know, like what is going on? 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:16.480 Were they going off the supposed trends in super bullets. 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:19.200 I mean, we didn't spend enough time on that because 0:01:19.680 --> 0:01:21.640 it was so it's so disgusting to me that the 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:24.640 Wall Street Journal ran with that, And apparently it turned 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:27.759 out there were like some arrows like potentially already printed 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:31.880 on the bullets, because there are little like markings on 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:34.880 there that they were like these arrows, I think that 0:01:34.959 --> 0:01:38.880 must mean he's pro trans which was completely invented, and 0:01:39.880 --> 0:01:42.240 you know, all kinds of lay people. When this news 0:01:42.240 --> 0:01:46.759 came out of like markings on the bullets indicating transgender ideology, 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:49.480 people were like, what would that even be? But apparently 0:01:49.480 --> 0:01:51.600 no one at the Wall Street Journal that reprinted this 0:01:52.120 --> 0:01:54.280 thought for two seconds to ask that question. 0:01:55.120 --> 0:01:57.680 Or they reported, well, here's also what's interesting is that 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.720 they reported so Steven Krab got it first, and the 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:04.160 journal was probably rushing because of Stephen Crowder, which is 0:02:04.360 --> 0:02:07.800 already just like what the hell? But they reported that 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:14.560 ATF was taking these markings seriously, and the journal probably 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:20.799 failed to contextualize how thin the like evidence was that 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:24.919 that was, you know, something to take seriously. But what 0:02:24.960 --> 0:02:29.000 it says to me is that somebody at ATF was 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:30.119 taking it. 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:35.400 Very, very seriously. And so because of that. Okay, here, 0:02:35.480 --> 0:02:37.000 so we've got a press conference coming. 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:43.560 In no way, I mean, real quick to Chris. But 0:02:43.840 --> 0:02:47.040 like Trump said, he I don't care. Trump is telling 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:51.280 Trump Trump already answered your questions. Yeah, that's probably so, 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:52.200 I don't care who did this. 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.320 Yeah, the problem is, yeah, sure we got radicals on 0:02:55.320 --> 0:02:57.000 the right, but they're doing it for the right reasons. 0:02:57.040 --> 0:02:58.959 I mean, that's what you know, that's the whole justification 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:01.280 for January six. We already know he pardoned a bunch 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:04.400 of you know, violent JA six riders. All right, here's 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:05.359 the pressor. 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.200 Leaving the rifle in a bush. 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:12.000 Messages related to a to visually watching the area where 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:15.280 our rifle was left and a message referring. 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.480 To having left the rifle wrapped in a towel. 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:23.280 The messages also referred to engraving bullets and a mention 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:26.520 of a scope and the rifle being unique. 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:28.720 Messages from the contact. 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:35.640 Tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits. I know 0:03:35.680 --> 0:03:40.640 there's been speculation as well as to the writing. 0:03:40.360 --> 0:03:41.680 On those casings. 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:47.160 Here we go, those those bullet casings, and I believe 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:48.240 we have that. 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.160 As well, and I'll share that with you now. 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.600 So the area north of Campus Drive Road where the 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.160 suspect crossed over, you saw some of that in the 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.080 video that we released last night, consists of a grassy 0:04:03.120 --> 0:04:05.920 area with trees on the edge of the UBU campus. 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:09.960 Investigators discovered a bolt action rifle wrapped in a dark 0:04:10.120 --> 0:04:13.480 colored towel. The rifle was determined to be a Mouser 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:17.120 Model ninety eight thirty out six caliber thirty six caliber 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:18.080 bolt action rifle. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.719 The rifle has scope mounted on top of it. 0:04:21.360 --> 0:04:25.600 Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:26.560 with the rifle. 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:30.080 Inscriptions on a fired casing. 0:04:29.800 --> 0:04:35.279 Read notices, bulges, capital, OWO, what's. 0:04:35.080 --> 0:04:38.800 This question mark, inscriptions on the three on fired. 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:45.720 Casings red he notices exclamation point, catch, exclamation point, arrow symbol, 0:04:46.000 --> 0:04:50.919 right arrow and symbol, and three down arrow symbols. A 0:04:51.040 --> 0:04:53.880 second on fired casing red oh, bella. 0:04:53.760 --> 0:04:56.680 Chow belle chow bella chow chow. 0:04:56.520 --> 0:04:59.840 Chow, and a third on fired Casey Red. If you 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:02.880 read this, you are a LMAO. 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:11.479 We are indebted to enforcement across the state who's worked 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:15.840 seamlessly together local law enforcement, state law enforcement, and our 0:05:15.880 --> 0:05:19.480 federal partners with the with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:24.440 We're grateful for everyone who work together in such a short. 0:05:24.240 --> 0:05:30.520 Amount of time to find this person and to and 0:05:30.600 --> 0:05:33.160 to bring justice. I want to think the public who 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:38.320 has been so engaged reviewing, reviewing videos, helping us with 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:42.560 sending in tips and helping us get to this point. 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:46.960 I want to thank the family members of. 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:50.360 Tyler Robinson who did the right thing in this case 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:54.760 and we're able to bring him into law enforcement as well. 0:05:57.120 --> 0:06:06.120 I especially want to thank the family of Charlie Kirk Erica, Charlie's. 0:06:05.640 --> 0:06:08.600 Parents, his children. I want us to. 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:12.159 Be thinking of them as we bring justice in this case. 0:06:12.839 --> 0:06:15.760 They will be involved in that justice. We will be 0:06:15.800 --> 0:06:19.240 working very closely with them as we move through this 0:06:19.400 --> 0:06:23.359 process as well. This is a very sad day for 0:06:23.760 --> 0:06:26.720 again for our country, a terrible. 0:06:26.760 --> 0:06:28.680 Day for the state of Utah. 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.560 But I'm grateful that at this moment we have an 0:06:31.560 --> 0:06:35.320 opportunity to bring closure to this very dark chapter in 0:06:35.440 --> 0:06:40.040 our nation's history with that. Will now turn the turn 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.280 the microphone over to the director of the FBI. 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:48.679 Cat Those bullet markings are hard to decipher. 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.320 This is what happens when you let good cops be cops. 0:06:54.560 --> 0:06:56.720 The FBI and our partners are proud to stand here 0:06:56.760 --> 0:07:01.080 today together to bring justice to the family of Charlie. 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:01.320 In honor's memory. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.120 I want to express my deep gratitude to President Trump, 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:06.480 the Vice President, and the entire White House who have 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:10.000 been so incredibly supportive with both resources and just personally 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:12.440 to the FBI as a team. They had our backs 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:14.560 to the entire way, and I just want to express 0:07:14.560 --> 0:07:17.720 my gratitude for giving us the resources we need to 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:20.440 operate in this space to bring this sort of justice 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.920 at this sort of speed. In thirty three hours, we 0:07:23.960 --> 0:07:29.600 have made historic progress for Charlie. Governor Cox, our partnership 0:07:29.920 --> 0:07:34.640 has been absolutely incredible these last few days. Our partnership 0:07:34.680 --> 0:07:38.040 will ignore your state and local partners, your sheriffs, your 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:43.400 GPS community has been unbelievably impressive in the hardest of times, 0:07:43.840 --> 0:07:46.240 and a case like this cannot be solved, cannot be 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.560 brought without partnering with your state and local authorities. 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.640 The FBI has a certain role to play. We will 0:07:51.640 --> 0:07:54.560 play that role and we will lead up with federal government. 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.840 Governor Cox, we are so grandful from your state partnership 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.280 that let out on this investigation a little bit of 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:06.040 the timeline. Charlie shot at twelve twenty three pm on Wednesday. 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:10.440 The first FBI agent's arrived on scene in sixteen minutes. 0:08:10.880 --> 0:08:14.120 We chiefs the police at twelve thirty nine and secured 0:08:14.160 --> 0:08:14.760 the scene. 0:08:15.160 --> 0:08:17.640 This is cya to try to convince people they did 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:18.280 a good jobs. 0:08:19.160 --> 0:08:23.560 We utilize these assets to transport personnel, specialty technicians, passage 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:24.360 rescue teams. 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:26.400 We also utilize these assets to go. 0:08:26.440 --> 0:08:28.440 Back and forth from the East Coast and here in 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:31.600 Utah to transport forensic evidence and other evidence that will 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:34.559 be analyzed that is being analyzed at our FBI laboratories 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:37.160 in Quantico and other laboratories including the ATF. 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:39.720 In my direction, the. 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:43.240 FBI released the first set of FBI photos of this suspect. 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:45.959 At ten am local time on nine to eleven. 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.959 Then shortly thereafter, the FBI reward of one hundred thousand 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:50.520 dollars was. 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:55.160 Released at ten forty five am Local myself and Deputy 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.360 Director Bon Gino arrived on the scene at ap propably 0:08:57.360 --> 0:09:01.480 five thirty PM on nine to eleven. The Governor let 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:06.560 a press conference last night at approximately eight pm where 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.280 in my direction, the FBI released and ever before seen 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:11.199 video of the suspect. 0:09:11.600 --> 0:09:16.120 We also released new images to the public of the suspect. 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:21.280 And just last night, the suspect was taken into custody 0:09:21.280 --> 0:09:24.760 at ten PM of the time, in less than thirty 0:09:24.800 --> 0:09:28.880 six hours thirty three to be precise, thanks to the 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:32.120 full weight of the federal government and leading out with 0:09:32.160 --> 0:09:34.560 the partners here in the state of Utah and Governor Cox, 0:09:35.240 --> 0:09:38.280 the suspect was apprehended in historic time period. 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:40.960 And I want to highlight what Governor Cox. 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:42.720 Said, This would not have been possible without you the 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:44.319 media and you the public. 0:09:44.720 --> 0:09:46.120 That's why we went so public. 0:09:46.400 --> 0:09:48.360 So the suspect was on the loose for more than 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:49.160 twenty four hours. 0:09:49.320 --> 0:09:52.280 Transparency. 0:09:51.800 --> 0:09:56.760 The trumpet is a frame historic historical. 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:59.400 Authorities along with the federal authorities processing that crime scene quickly. 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:01.240 Yeah, I even had. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:05.719 The ability to walk through. 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.840 That crime scene and walk through the steps the suspect 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:11.079 took to. 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.280 Learn more about what was needed and what resources we 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:15.640 need to prayer to create a full picture for the 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:20.280 FBI and leadership back in Washington. Furthermore, thankfully to state 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.920 local partners, forensic evidence has been seized and continues to 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:27.920 be garnered. Forensic evidence has already been evaluated FBI laboratories 0:10:27.960 --> 0:10:30.920 in Quantico and state local authorities here. We will continue 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:32.880 to process evidence as we see it. 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:34.800 As we collected, we can probably get out of this. 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.079 It doesn't seem like we're going to get any more news, right. 0:10:38.840 --> 0:10:41.559 Unless they take questions, but that could still be another 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:42.160 ten minutes. 0:10:42.440 --> 0:10:44.280 Let's well, let's go through with a cake. 0:10:46.720 --> 0:10:48.280 Yeah, if you if they go to the let's go 0:10:48.320 --> 0:10:49.040 through the cases. 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:50.880 Yeah, let's go. 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:55.320 Let's let's go. So, yeah, I got them here, uh 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:58.839 in order. The first one they said was, notice is 0:10:58.880 --> 0:11:03.199 Bulge's ow a, what's this? Which is some it's some 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:11.000 furry bullshit? What uh it's I mean? People can just google, 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:13.920 People can just google this provocative internet meme associated with 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:18.360 furry fandom with strong sexual connotations notices bulges. 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:22.240 Okay, all right, I'll look it up so you don't have. 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:23.000 To describe it to me. 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:28.280 Then then hey, fascists catch which seems pretty clear what 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:28.680 that is. 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:33.040 And then it said Okay, it says the notice is 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:38.680 bulge thing parodies furries and online role play subcultures is 0:11:38.720 --> 0:11:39.480 from no your meme. 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:41.160 Okay, all right? 0:11:41.440 --> 0:11:45.720 Oh Belachow Bella So Bellachow is a is a Italian 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.559 anti fascist song. So that that that is the thing 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:52.560 that that that plus hey fascist catch is him signaling 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:55.520 that's where they would have gotten the Antifa stuff from this. 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:58.559 And then if you read this you are gay l 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:02.200 m a. Oh that that gives Groy patrol. 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.040 Which is sort of, by the way, similar to what 0:12:06.040 --> 0:12:09.000 we saw in Minneapolis where you had troll language. 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:10.960 And this is just so I mean, it just makes 0:12:11.000 --> 0:12:12.400 your stomach sink because. 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:17.760 We have two troll languages and then two Antifa stuff. 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:23.400 So is the anti FA stuff there to like convince 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.520 people that this is that he's anti Like, we're going 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.920 to find out more about this guy. But you know, 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:31.560 it could be that he's actually an actual ANTIFA guy, 0:12:32.320 --> 0:12:33.959 you know, who grew up in this household with this 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:36.720 you know, his dad in the sheriff department and then 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:38.480 kind of rebelled against his dad. 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:41.079 That's certainly uncommon story happens. 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:45.679 It could also be that this is a Groy patrol 0:12:46.160 --> 0:12:50.640 who's just it's no and that we have a troll assassination. 0:12:51.840 --> 0:12:53.200 Assassin or something. 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:56.320 It can also be did you guys look into this 0:12:56.480 --> 0:13:01.600 like online cult that people were theorizing the Minnesota shooter 0:13:01.760 --> 0:13:04.439 was part of because they had all kinds of symbology 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.880 that was all over the map too. And I can't 0:13:07.880 --> 0:13:10.840 remember the name of these sort of like linked like 0:13:11.320 --> 0:13:16.000 neo Nazi death cults basically online radicalized death cults where 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.280 some of the some of the mo is like gaining 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:22.920 notoriety and out doing each other in your you know, 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:28.480 acts of terror and murder that you commit. And there 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:31.920 are you know, number of instances where the killers appeared 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:35.520 to be linked to this like basically online death cult. 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:39.120 And that's another that's another possible. Like clearly this person 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:41.760 was very online, Like we can say that, yeah for sure, 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:43.560 with the language. 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.400 You know, the use of memes. 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:48.320 You know, it looks like a gaming keyboard in the picture, the. 0:13:48.440 --> 0:13:49.319 Board in the picture. 0:13:49.720 --> 0:13:53.400 Yeah, I mean just and also just that's the life 0:13:53.440 --> 0:13:57.640 of a twenty two year old man oftentimes in uh 0:13:57.720 --> 0:13:58.800 in this day and age. 0:13:58.840 --> 0:13:59.640 Not to sound like. 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:01.800 But it's true. 0:14:01.960 --> 0:14:07.559 Really, so person was clearly very online, and there's certainly enough, 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.240 you know, like just the fact that there's any anti 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.040 anti fascist stuff in there is going to be enough 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.920 for Trump and co. To say to say this is 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.679 that's a good point on the left, you know, it's 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.000 radical Marxist blah blah blah. 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:22.840 So that's certainly what they'll be going with. 0:14:23.000 --> 0:14:23.240 You know. 0:14:23.480 --> 0:14:25.680 Whether that is fully the case or not, I think 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:27.880 it still remains to be seen because the indications are 0:14:27.920 --> 0:14:30.000 kind of all over the place, like the if you're 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:35.960 reading this, you're gay, lmao. I don't know, don't know, guys. 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:43.000 Yeah, it's unclear, uh right now which direction this is 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.440 going in. Because to me, when I look back on 0:14:45.480 --> 0:14:50.480 the Minneapolis shooter, I don't think it's it's unfair for 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:54.560 the right to say that whatever was going on ideologically 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:58.160 on sex and gender clearly played into that. But also 0:14:58.560 --> 0:15:03.040 it was troll language, and when in that case the 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:07.160 shooter died, so it's almost impossible to decipher the troll 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:09.920 language from a mentally ill person and no restruction or 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:10.480 the other that it. 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:13.760 Was going in. This person is alive. This person is alive. 0:15:14.120 --> 0:15:17.000 And actually, as we pulled out of the presser, I 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:19.320 just saw this update from the New York Times authorities 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.800 in this news conference have described extensive evidence that they 0:15:21.800 --> 0:15:24.240 say ties the suspect and custody the shooting of Charlie Kirk, 0:15:24.280 --> 0:15:27.000 including statements to relatives suggesting that he committed the crime, 0:15:27.320 --> 0:15:30.280 social media messages, and physical evidence. So I would say, 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.200 at least in this case, the odds of us getting 0:15:33.200 --> 0:15:36.280 a much more complete picture of where this person was 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.000 coming from. And this is a good thing, by the way, 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.400 just exploded, because otherwise you get into ink blot test 0:15:41.720 --> 0:15:45.600 territory where you can kind of laughch on to one 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:47.280 part of the picture or another part of the picture, 0:15:47.360 --> 0:15:50.320 and it's more easily used as a football. So if 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:52.440 you can get more clarity in this case, I think 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:54.360 that is like a huge blessing. 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:55.280 But we'll see. 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:59.440 Well, the other thing is just you know, even if 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.200 let's say that he had been killed or killed himself, 0:16:02.320 --> 0:16:04.000 or you know, the cops ha killed him or he'd 0:16:04.080 --> 0:16:09.480 killed himself or whatever, then the conspiracies would also run wild, 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:14.400 right like the fact that he they have him, that 0:16:14.520 --> 0:16:19.040 he's alive, that he can speak for himself. Not that 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.560 it's going to put all conspiracy theories to bed, but 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:23.600 it will put you know, it will make it more 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:27.200 difficult for those to gain I think widespread public acceptance 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:31.160 and traction. And I think I think it matters a 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:36.000 lot that they have this guy. You know, listen, and 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:39.200 I've already talked about how I think Trump is like 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.440 the worst person possible to be our president at a 0:16:41.520 --> 0:16:44.200 moment such as this. Part of why I obviously posed 0:16:44.280 --> 0:16:45.840 him into the election, part of why I was very 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:49.480 deeply concerned about what a second Trump administration would mean 0:16:49.920 --> 0:16:52.120 and would do for this country and for the world 0:16:52.200 --> 0:16:57.000 at large. But you know, I think like just the 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:01.000 fact of having a suspect who at this point at 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.840 least very much looks like this is the guy at least, 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:08.320 then you know that it helps relieve some of the 0:17:08.520 --> 0:17:11.719 like the mystique and some of the theories, and potentially 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:16.040 some of the like you know, follow on inspiration, because 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:18.399 you know you're gonna see him not go out in 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:21.560 a blaze of glory, but you know, be humiliated in 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:25.480 a prison jumpsuit and you know, brought pretty low. So 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.000 I hear you get like, I think those things matter. 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:30.600 I think that's I hope that's true. I think that's 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:31.119 likely true. 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:32.720 On the other hand, it does bother me or It 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:34.840 does worry me that you get into and it's too 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.159 early even to be speculating too much, but you end 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:44.080 up with like Charles Manson, cult around someone. I don't 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.440 mean like a literal cult, but like a cult following 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:50.359 where people are obsessed and get fixated on someone in 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:54.000 prison for you know, just cause, or like even Mangioni, 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:56.440 you see some of this after he said he was innocent, 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.879 which means you could like really be mister directing people 0:18:00.880 --> 0:18:03.000 in different ways. Hopefully that doesn't happen here, but says 0:18:03.040 --> 0:18:05.240 like I had nothing to do with this. I'm just 0:18:05.680 --> 0:18:10.000 to quote Lee Harvey Oswald, I'm just a patsy. So 0:18:10.359 --> 0:18:13.720 I guess there's still always potential that things could go 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:15.399 in a bad direction. But yeah, I agree Chris, I 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:18.040 think this is likely a very good sign. 0:18:18.960 --> 0:18:19.240 Yeah. 0:18:19.400 --> 0:18:21.919 Well, and he's not as good looking as Mangioni, so 0:18:23.040 --> 0:18:24.720 will be less inspirational for people. 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:27.919 Tell me, I'm. 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:29.800 Hawaiian. 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:33.120 I don't seen any Hawaiian gear yet, otherwise I think 0:18:33.160 --> 0:18:36.679 you'd see a lot of people calling him a boogoloo dude. 0:18:37.040 --> 0:18:38.080 Well, that was a thing. 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:43.040 I mean that movement basically collapsed too. Yeah, that was 0:18:43.200 --> 0:18:47.640 that was around that was like a Proud Boy adjacent 0:18:47.680 --> 0:18:48.800 if I'm remember incorrectly. 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.119 Yeah, but yeah, but kind of wacky and cultish and 0:18:54.880 --> 0:19:02.639 yeah and extremely online like trolley, very trolly. Yeah, and 0:19:02.960 --> 0:19:07.280 you know, believed in like random violence and accelerationism and yep. 0:19:08.040 --> 0:19:08.359 Yeah. 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:11.080 Well the other thing massive like meme that's you know, 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:12.639 hyper meme focused. 0:19:13.840 --> 0:19:19.720 So this like so that, yeah, I means God only 0:19:19.760 --> 0:19:24.560 knows what weird online subcultures exists that you know, relatively 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:28.760 normal people have no idea about, you know, be careful 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:30.760 parents what your kids are consuming on the internet. 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:31.359 I'll just say that. 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:33.760 I mean the other part, the other part to say 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:36.879 about the press conference is cash retal has been you know, 0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:41.160 I mean it's been ridiculous during this whole thing, right, 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:43.520 tweeting out, oh, we've got a subject in custody and 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:47.200 then having hours later really well turn down that guy 0:19:47.280 --> 0:19:50.480 was in a sense, sorry, oops, we're still looking. They 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:54.560 delayed that press conference yesterday, was supposed to be in 0:19:54.600 --> 0:19:58.639 the afternoon and reportedly, you know, it ended up not 0:19:58.720 --> 0:20:02.159 happening till like nine o'clock n at night, reportedly because 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.359 they were waiting for Cash and maybe Bongino as well 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:07.919 to get into town and then they just you know, 0:20:08.080 --> 0:20:10.560 stood there like idiots during the press like they hadn't 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:14.280 they didn't actually speak or participate at all. So you 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:17.359 delayed this press conference. They claimed it because it was 0:20:17.359 --> 0:20:20.159 because of rapid developments, which made everybody think, oh, they 0:20:20.240 --> 0:20:22.600 must be on the trail. That was not the case 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.200 at that point, just so that he could be there 0:20:25.240 --> 0:20:27.800 for the photo ops. So clearly he was trying to 0:20:28.080 --> 0:20:32.680 project a lot of authority here in this particular press 0:20:32.720 --> 0:20:35.920 conference and a lot of command and using a lot 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:39.919 of very Trumpian language about how historic the man hunt 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:42.600 was and that's what happens when you let good cops 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:44.520 be cops, was one of the things that he said 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:47.320 to try to cover the fact that he did not 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:49.080 come across as a strong leader here. And there was 0:20:49.080 --> 0:20:50.960 also a reporting about, listen, we know that a bunch 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:53.080 of FBI agents have been pulled off at their jobs 0:20:53.840 --> 0:20:56.280 to assist ice. We know some of them have been 0:20:56.320 --> 0:20:58.560 like roaming the streets in DC. We know that the 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:02.080 head of the Salt Lake City FBI office was fired 0:21:02.080 --> 0:21:05.440 we're not really sure why in recent weeks as well. 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.000 So a lot of cya in this press conference from 0:21:08.000 --> 0:21:09.000 Cash Betel as well. 0:21:12.760 --> 0:21:15.800 Well, that's I mean, again, what we're learning just minute 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:19.600 by minute here is the suspect. I find this very disturbing, 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:22.280 and I think it should continue to disturb people, whether 0:21:22.400 --> 0:21:25.320 or not we can, you know, rightfully celebrate that the 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:29.480 pictures were put out there and enough that someone came forward. 0:21:29.600 --> 0:21:32.679