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Speaker 2: Let me ask you, guys this and again this. We

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Speaker 2: don't We don't know the ideological leanings of this person.

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Speaker 2: We don't know, if you know, they could be politically

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Speaker 2: all over the blue.

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Speaker 4: We don't know. But let me ask you guys this question.

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Speaker 2: Do you think I'm right that even if it is

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Speaker 2: like a clear cutcase of like some white nationalist or

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Speaker 2: groper type or whatever that this guy turns out to be,

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Speaker 2: that Trump will just pretend that it's otherwise or use

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Speaker 2: this anyway to his ends.

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Speaker 5: I'm curious about him saying yesterday he had some sense

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Speaker 5: of the motive before this. That tells me that maybe

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Speaker 5: they think or they thought they had reason to believe

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Speaker 5: that there's some I don't know, like what is going on?

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Speaker 2: Were they going off the supposed trends in super bullets.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we didn't spend enough time on that because

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Speaker 2: it was so it's so disgusting to me that the

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Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal ran with that, And apparently it turned

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Speaker 2: out there were like some arrows like potentially already printed

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Speaker 2: on the bullets, because there are little like markings on

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Speaker 2: there that they were like these arrows, I think that

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Speaker 2: must mean he's pro trans which was completely invented, and

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Speaker 2: you know, all kinds of lay people. When this news

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Speaker 2: came out of like markings on the bullets indicating transgender ideology,

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Speaker 2: people were like, what would that even be? But apparently

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Speaker 2: no one at the Wall Street Journal that reprinted this

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Speaker 5: Or they reported, well, here's also what's interesting is that

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Speaker 5: they reported so Steven Krab got it first, and the

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Speaker 5: journal was probably rushing because of Stephen Crowder, which is

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Speaker 5: already just like what the hell? But they reported that

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Speaker 5: ATF was taking these markings seriously, and the journal probably

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Speaker 5: failed to contextualize how thin the like evidence was that

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Speaker 5: that was, you know, something to take seriously. But what

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Speaker 5: it says to me is that somebody at ATF was

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Speaker 6: Very, very seriously. And so because of that. Okay, here,

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Speaker 6: so we've got a press conference coming.

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Speaker 7: In no way, I mean, real quick to Chris. But

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Speaker 7: like Trump said, he I don't care. Trump is telling

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Speaker 7: Trump Trump already answered your questions. Yeah, that's probably so,

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Speaker 7: I don't care who did this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the problem is, yeah, sure we got radicals on

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Speaker 2: the right, but they're doing it for the right reasons.

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's what you know, that's the whole justification

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Speaker 2: for January six. We already know he pardoned a bunch

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Speaker 2: of you know, violent JA six riders. All right, here's

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Speaker 2: the pressor.

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Speaker 8: Leaving the rifle in a bush.

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Speaker 9: Messages related to a to visually watching the area where

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Speaker 9: our rifle was left and a message referring.

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Speaker 8: To having left the rifle wrapped in a towel.

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Speaker 9: The messages also referred to engraving bullets and a mention

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Speaker 9: of a scope and the rifle being unique.

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Speaker 8: Messages from the contact.

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Speaker 9: Tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits. I know

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Speaker 9: there's been speculation as well as to the writing.

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Speaker 8: On those casings.

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Speaker 9: Here we go, those those bullet casings, and I believe

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Speaker 8: As well, and I'll share that with you now.

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Speaker 10: So the area north of Campus Drive Road where the

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Speaker 10: suspect crossed over, you saw some of that in the

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Speaker 10: video that we released last night, consists of a grassy

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Speaker 9: Investigators discovered a bolt action rifle wrapped in a dark

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Speaker 9: colored towel. The rifle was determined to be a Mouser

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Speaker 9: Model ninety eight thirty out six caliber thirty six caliber

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Speaker 8: The rifle has scope mounted on top of it.

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Speaker 9: Investigators noted inscriptions that had been engraved on casings found

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Speaker 8: Inscriptions on a fired casing.

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Speaker 9: Read notices, bulges, capital, OWO, what's.

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Speaker 8: This question mark, inscriptions on the three on fired.

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Speaker 9: Casings red he notices exclamation point, catch, exclamation point, arrow symbol,

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Speaker 1: Chow belle chow bella chow chow.

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Speaker 8: Chow, and a third on fired Casey Red. If you

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Speaker 8: read this, you are a LMAO.

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Speaker 11: We are indebted to enforcement across the state who's worked

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Speaker 11: seamlessly together local law enforcement, state law enforcement, and our

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Speaker 11: federal partners with the with the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

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Speaker 8: We're grateful for everyone who work together in such a short.

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Speaker 9: Amount of time to find this person and to and

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Speaker 9: to bring justice. I want to think the public who

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Speaker 9: has been so engaged reviewing, reviewing videos, helping us with

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Speaker 9: sending in tips and helping us get to this point.

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Speaker 8: I want to thank the family members of.

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Speaker 9: Tyler Robinson who did the right thing in this case

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Speaker 9: and we're able to bring him into law enforcement as well.

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Speaker 9: I especially want to thank the family of Charlie Kirk Erica, Charlie's.

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Speaker 8: Parents, his children. I want us to.

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Speaker 9: Be thinking of them as we bring justice in this case.

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Speaker 9: They will be involved in that justice. We will be

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Speaker 9: working very closely with them as we move through this

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Speaker 9: process as well. This is a very sad day for

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Speaker 9: again for our country, a terrible.

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Speaker 8: Day for the state of Utah.

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Speaker 9: But I'm grateful that at this moment we have an

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Speaker 9: opportunity to bring closure to this very dark chapter in

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Speaker 9: our nation's history with that. Will now turn the turn

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Speaker 9: the microphone over to the director of the FBI.

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Speaker 4: Cat Those bullet markings are hard to decipher.

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Speaker 8: This is what happens when you let good cops be cops.

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Speaker 12: The FBI and our partners are proud to stand here

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Speaker 12: today together to bring justice to the family of Charlie.

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Speaker 8: In honor's memory.

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Speaker 13: I want to express my deep gratitude to President Trump,

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Speaker 13: the Vice President, and the entire White House who have

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Speaker 13: been so incredibly supportive with both resources and just personally

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Speaker 13: to the FBI as a team. They had our backs

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Speaker 13: to the entire way, and I just want to express

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Speaker 13: my gratitude for giving us the resources we need to

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Speaker 13: operate in this space to bring this sort of justice

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Speaker 13: at this sort of speed. In thirty three hours, we

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Speaker 13: have made historic progress for Charlie. Governor Cox, our partnership

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Speaker 13: has been absolutely incredible these last few days. Our partnership

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Speaker 13: will ignore your state and local partners, your sheriffs, your

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Speaker 13: GPS community has been unbelievably impressive in the hardest of times,

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Speaker 13: and a case like this cannot be solved, cannot be

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Speaker 8: The FBI has a certain role to play. We will

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Speaker 8: play that role and we will lead up with federal government.

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Speaker 12: Governor Cox, we are so grandful from your state partnership

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Speaker 12: that let out on this investigation a little bit of

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Speaker 12: the timeline. Charlie shot at twelve twenty three pm on Wednesday.

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Speaker 12: The first FBI agent's arrived on scene in sixteen minutes.

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Speaker 12: We chiefs the police at twelve thirty nine and secured

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Speaker 12: the scene.

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Speaker 2: This is cya to try to convince people they did

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Speaker 2: a good jobs.

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Speaker 13: We utilize these assets to transport personnel, specialty technicians, passage

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Speaker 13: rescue teams.

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Speaker 8: We also utilize these assets to go.

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Speaker 13: Back and forth from the East Coast and here in

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Speaker 13: Utah to transport forensic evidence and other evidence that will

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Speaker 13: be analyzed that is being analyzed at our FBI laboratories

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Speaker 13: in Quantico and other laboratories including the ATF.

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Speaker 8: In my direction, the.

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Speaker 12: FBI released the first set of FBI photos of this suspect.

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Speaker 8: At ten am local time on nine to eleven.

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Speaker 12: Then shortly thereafter, the FBI reward of one hundred thousand

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Speaker 13: Released at ten forty five am Local myself and Deputy

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Speaker 13: Director Bon Gino arrived on the scene at ap propably

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Speaker 13: five thirty PM on nine to eleven. The Governor let

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Speaker 13: a press conference last night at approximately eight pm where

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Speaker 13: in my direction, the FBI released and ever before seen

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Speaker 13: video of the suspect.

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Speaker 12: We also released new images to the public of the suspect.

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Speaker 12: And just last night, the suspect was taken into custody

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Speaker 12: at ten PM of the time, in less than thirty

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Speaker 12: six hours thirty three to be precise, thanks to the

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Speaker 12: full weight of the federal government and leading out with

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Speaker 12: the partners here in the state of Utah and Governor Cox,

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Speaker 12: the suspect was apprehended in historic time period.

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Speaker 8: And I want to highlight what Governor Cox.

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Speaker 13: Said, This would not have been possible without you the

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Speaker 13: media and you the public.

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Speaker 8: That's why we went so public.

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Speaker 6: So the suspect was on the loose for more than

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Speaker 6: twenty four hours.

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Speaker 8: Transparency.

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Speaker 4: The trumpet is a frame historic historical.

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Speaker 13: Authorities along with the federal authorities processing that crime scene quickly.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I even had.

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Speaker 13: The ability to walk through.

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Speaker 12: That crime scene and walk through the steps the suspect

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Speaker 13: Learn more about what was needed and what resources we

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Speaker 13: need to prayer to create a full picture for the

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Speaker 13: FBI and leadership back in Washington. Furthermore, thankfully to state

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Speaker 13: be garnered. Forensic evidence has already been evaluated FBI laboratories

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Speaker 13: to process evidence as we see it.

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Speaker 2: As we collected, we can probably get out of this.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't seem like we're going to get any more news, right.

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Speaker 5: Unless they take questions, but that could still be another

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Speaker 1: Let's well, let's go through with a cake.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you if they go to the let's go

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Speaker 4: through the cases.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go.

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Speaker 7: Let's let's go. So, yeah, I got them here, uh

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Speaker 7: in order. The first one they said was, notice is

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Speaker 7: furry bullshit? What uh it's I mean? People can just google,

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Speaker 7: People can just google this provocative internet meme associated with

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Speaker 7: furry fandom with strong sexual connotations notices bulges.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, I'll look it up so you don't have.

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Speaker 6: To describe it to me.

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Speaker 7: Then then hey, fascists catch which seems pretty clear what

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Speaker 2: And then it said Okay, it says the notice is

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Speaker 2: bulge thing parodies furries and online role play subcultures is

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Speaker 2: from no your meme.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right?

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Speaker 7: Oh Belachow Bella So Bellachow is a is a Italian

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Speaker 7: anti fascist song. So that that that is the thing

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Speaker 7: that that that plus hey fascist catch is him signaling

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Speaker 7: that's where they would have gotten the Antifa stuff from this.

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Speaker 7: And then if you read this you are gay l

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Speaker 7: m a. Oh that that gives Groy patrol.

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Speaker 5: Which is sort of, by the way, similar to what

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Speaker 5: we saw in Minneapolis where you had troll language.

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Speaker 6: And this is just so I mean, it just makes

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Speaker 2: And that's another that's another possible. Like clearly this person

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean just and also just that's the life

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's unclear, uh right now which direction this is

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Speaker 6: Was going in. This person is alive. This person is alive.

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Speaker 5: And actually, as we pulled out of the presser, I

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Speaker 2: it's going to put all conspiracy theories to bed, but

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Speaker 2: I hear you get like, I think those things matter.

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Speaker 6: I think that's I hope that's true. I think that's

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Speaker 5: On the other hand, it does bother me or It

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Speaker 5: up with like Charles Manson, cult around someone. I don't

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Speaker 5: you see some of this after he said he was innocent,

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Speaker 5: I guess there's still always potential that things could go

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Tell me, I'm.

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Speaker 7: I don't seen any Hawaiian gear yet, otherwise I think

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Speaker 5: I mean that movement basically collapsed too. Yeah, that was

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but yeah, but kind of wacky and cultish and

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Speaker 1: Well the other thing massive like meme that's you know,

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Speaker 2: So this like so that, yeah, I means God only

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Speaker 4: I'll just say that.

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Speaker 6: Probably could have been released.

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Speaker 5: So you have this mass panic, you have misinformation being

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Speaker 5: So I just I think, you know, it's too early

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Speaker 2: Not to mention the lack of prevention, when we know

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Speaker 4: So he's going to pick that up.

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Speaker 2: were there things that were missed leading up to the

446
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Speaker 2: day that could have prevented did this horrific series of events?

447
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 2: You know, for them, this horrific murder to start with.

448
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I mean, obviously I have a lot of

449
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 5: thoughts on that because part of like, I'm on the

450
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Speaker 5: board of a group that does lectures for students and

451
00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:13,480
Speaker 5: student chapters and all of that and have done it myself.

452
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 5: And I checked in with some of my friends in

453
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 5: that space and they made an interesting point, which is

454
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,600
Speaker 5: that our discourse has gotten so poisoned that it's now

455
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 5: actually also difficult to do indoor events because when you

456
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 5: do an indoor event, trolls will.

457
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 6: Like buy up all of the tickets.

458
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,560
Speaker 5: And so it's actually why you've seen a lot of

459
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 5: conservative speakers start doing outdoor events because it kind of

460
00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 5: makes it easier to be in front of the public

461
00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 5: and when you're doing campus stuff. Nobody has like the

462
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 5: resources to screen the roofs, like local police departments don't,

463
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,280
Speaker 5: which to me is insane post Butler that you know,

464
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:50,280
Speaker 5: people would do an outdoor event without screening the roof.

465
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,880
Speaker 5: But then we're also just talking about college campuses where

466
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,720
Speaker 5: kids should be free to have speakers in and yell

467
00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 5: at them and challenge them and scream at them or

468
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,919
Speaker 5: whatever you should. I don't have to worry about a

469
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,440
Speaker 5: sniper on a roof. I mean, it's so insane that

470
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 5: this is where we are. But you cannot be doing

471
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,000
Speaker 5: outdoor events anymore where you aren't clearing a roof that's

472
00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 5: two hundred feet away. It's that is such a pathetic

473
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 5: commentary on the country. I mean, that is just unbelievable

474
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,480
Speaker 5: on a college campus where kids are just interacting with

475
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 5: a thirty one year old like pundit, It's completely insane.

476
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and the studio I have been hit.

477
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Speaker 2: There's there's going to be as we learn more about

478
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 2: this individual, there's you know, a lot of room for

479
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:37,160
Speaker 2: commentary also about you know, internet culture and what it's

480
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 2: doing to everyone's brains. You know, this appears to be

481
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:48,280
Speaker 2: a guy from a middle class family. You know that

482
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 2: we don't know what the life was or what struggles

483
00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:54,520
Speaker 2: might have existed or whatever. But you know, I thought,

484
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 2: I actually thought, Emily, where you were going with your

485
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 2: commentary when you say I don't have room for praise

486
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: of you know, a father his son in twenty four

487
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: hours later is I thought, you don't have room for

488
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 2: praise of that father.

489
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Speaker 4: Thank God you did the right thing in the h No.

490
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,400
Speaker 2: No, but you raised a killer and I do think

491
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: that there's something to be said about you know, about

492
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: that as well.

493
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 5: So crazy, yeah, and who But this is what's so

494
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:22,160
Speaker 5: crazy about the internet too, is that you have kids

495
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 5: from seemingly normal backgrounds who are parented well sometimes and

496
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 5: again I'm not making assumptions in this case, but who

497
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 5: are parented well and don't need to be partying and

498
00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 5: doing drugs to get into the wrong crowd because it's

499
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 5: coming through the screen, and that screen is their portal

500
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 5: into darkness. Whereas in the past, there was more friction

501
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 5: you had to start, you know, getting involved in shady

502
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 5: groups of friends or whatever it was, but now there's

503
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 5: just way less friction to go down dark paths because

504
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 5: it all comes from the little screen that you keep

505
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,199
Speaker 5: in your pocket, and that is horrifying.

506
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Speaker 6: I can't imagine for parents how horrifying that is.

507
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is pretty horrifying. As a parent, I can

508
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: tell you it is pretty horrifying, which just why you know,

509
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,800
Speaker 2: you definitely have to be aware of what your kids

510
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: are doing with their time and who they're spending their

511
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 2: time with. If they're you know, they're on their devices

512
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: a lot, you need to take note of what sort

513
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:27,680
Speaker 2: of content they're consuming.

514
00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, the Internet is real life, yes, and forget that.

515
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's rampant speculation on the timeline right now.

516
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:46,119
Speaker 2: Of course everybody it's a rorshack test, everybody seeing what

517
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 2: they want to see in this guy and his profile

518
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: and what he wrote on the bullets and whatever. So

519
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,880
Speaker 2: we'll we'll let that speculation go on. But is there

520
00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: are there are other stories you guys want to get to?

521
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 2: Will a way to for more any more news With

522
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:08,280
Speaker 2: regard to Tyler Robinson, this is.

523
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Speaker 6: All I've been able to think about philosophical days. I

524
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 6: feel you on that.

525
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 5: And it's crazy because there's a ton of stuff going.

526
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 5: I mean, we had drones over the Polish skies. There's

527
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 5: potential law enforcement going into Memphis. It's not as though

528
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 5: this is a slow August news cycle as it was,

529
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 5: you know, maybe a couple of weeks ago. This is

530
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 5: a packed news cycle, and it just seems so hard

531
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Speaker 5: to focus on anything else.

532
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Speaker 2: Emily, how do you think that the that this murder

533
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: will change like influencer culture and public events and how

534
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: people think about their you know, their what they're doing

535
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 2: and how much they're available, how what their security situation

536
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 2: looks like? Like what are you hearing from people on

537
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 2: the conservative side on that.

538
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Speaker 5: I mean, I'm scheduled to be on Megan Kelly's tour

539
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 5: this fall, actually on a stop in San Antonio with Glenn,

540
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:08,120
Speaker 5: and you can imagine Glenn. I can't imagine the security

541
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Speaker 5: that Glenn has to worry about constantly.

542
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 6: So, I mean, I haven't heard anything in that space.

543
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 6: I don't know what's up.

544
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:18,520
Speaker 5: I assume everything is going as planned, but I also

545
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 5: just am so I don't know about you guys, Like

546
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 5: I'm so blackpilled that a lot of what you know,

547
00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 5: elite influencer prominent, high profile influencer culture says it just

548
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 5: seems like there's such a dark subculture of irony posting

549
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 5: and all of that that I'm I'm.

550
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Speaker 6: Glad I liked how Dean Withers reacted.

551
00:29:39,960 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 5: I thought that was extremely classy, and I thought his

552
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 5: raw emotion was really powerful. And I think, you know,

553
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 5: probably eighty percent of gen Z watches Dean Withers, whether

554
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 5: than the left of the right, and says that was

555
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 5: a really that was the appropriate reaction.

556
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 6: That's what this country should be about.

557
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 5: Or Jank like that was that's exactly what this country

558
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:02,200
Speaker 5: should be about, but doesn't to some extent. This is

559
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 5: the problem is with the other twenty percent or ten

560
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 5: percent or whoever it is, who are not at all.

561
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 5: I mean, they feel like they have no control or

562
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:15,120
Speaker 5: agency and they don't give a fuck what you know,

563
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:16,680
Speaker 5: how Dean Withers.

564
00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 6: Or Jank reacts or how anyone else reacts.

565
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,080
Speaker 5: It just doesn't matter to them because it's all cringe

566
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 5: and everything is ironic and there's a nihilism to it

567
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:30,840
Speaker 5: that I mean. I think influencers are probably going to

568
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,959
Speaker 5: do some really great stuff over the next year and

569
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 5: be great about civic debate and push each other in

570
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 5: public and you know, try to have like really hard conversations.

571
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 5: I think that's great. Do maybe more of what we

572
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 5: do which is left on right as as often as possible.

573
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Speaker 6: I think that's all great.

574
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Speaker 5: But to me, I don't know that that makes any

575
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Speaker 5: difference whatsoever with the five percent of just utterly nihilistic

576
00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 5: people who were disillusioned with the political system.

577
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, unfortunately, I'm less hopeful that that even will be thencome.

578
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess for some influencers, but most of

579
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 2: what I saw was, you know, I mean, frankly, most

580
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: of what I saw often the right, from Trump on down,

581
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: was like, this is war. We want vengeance, Let's crack

582
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: down on free speech, Let's destroy them. You know, they

583
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 2: want to kill us, this is this is war, et cetera.

584
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: And so I didn't really see many people out there

585
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 2: using it as a moment to say, hey, let's come

586
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: together and you know, let's turn down the temperature and

587
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 2: resolve our differences. So and you know, again, you've got

588
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: an arsonist in the in the White House. I just

589
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: you know, Ryan, I know you were one of the

590
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: reasons we really wanted to have you on yesterday, and

591
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 2: you were traveling so here and able to but we

592
00:31:46,600 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: were trying to think of historic parallels to this moment,

593
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 2: because you knows, as awful as it is for someone

594
00:31:53,800 --> 00:31:54,880
Speaker 2: to take a shot of the president.

595
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 4: That's part of American history. There's always going to be people.

596
00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: Who want to kill president, even you know, even the legislators,

597
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: the Minnesota legislators, that legislator who was killed in the

598
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 2: legislators that were targeted. It's like, okay, well these are

599
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 2: still political officials. Like very unsettling. But part of what

600
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,040
Speaker 2: made this so shocking and really sort of solidified for

601
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:19,760
Speaker 2: me that we're living through this very different era, like

602
00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 2: it's not new, we're living through it is the fact

603
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: that he is this. You know, he's an influencer, he's

604
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 2: an activist. Obviously, it hits really close to home. But

605
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 2: you know, what do you see in terms of historic parallels?

606
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 2: Are there other periods of American life that we can

607
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 2: look to as being even somewhat analogous here?

608
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 7: Yeah, And I watched you guys talk about it yesterday

609
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 7: and Soccer's right, So yeah, I said, you know, I

610
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 7: couldn't think of anything other than the pre Civil War period,

611
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 7: which is very ominous because you know, that's a dark

612
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 7: like fifteen years heading into what then becomes the Civil War.

613
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:01,760
Speaker 7: And he he flagged them famous example yesterday which was

614
00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 7: a which is this guy Elijah Lovejoy who was I

615
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 7: believe in Ohio, either Kentucky or Ohio newspaper editor who

616
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 7: was a hardcore abolitionist and murdered by you know, bro,

617
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 7: you know, pro slavery forces. His cousin. I'm not his cousin.

618
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Speaker 7: I think it was his brother. Oh what people can

619
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 7: wikipedie all this. But his brother was Owen Lovejoy, who

620
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 7: was a congressman who was anti slavery congressman who was

621
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 7: also turns out a a an ally of then wig

622
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:37,960
Speaker 7: politician Abraham Lincoln. And when when Lincoln was running for president,

623
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 7: it was it was really there was there was a

624
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 7: lot of skepticism about him from the anti slavery side.

625
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 7: It was Lincoln really with us or not? And it

626
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 7: was Owen Lovejoy who basically was Lincoln's kind of validator

627
00:33:52,040 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 7: to the left saying no like and and you know, no, no,

628
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 7: he's one of us. He just can't really say it

629
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Speaker 7: because he's trying to win a national election. And Ohen

630
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Speaker 7: Lovejoy got so much of his own credibility, not just

631
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 7: from his own politics, but from the fact that he

632
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 7: was the brother of this martyred anti slavery editor Elijah

633
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Speaker 7: Lovejoy and martyrs play a radicalizing role in in all movements.

634
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 7: You know, Chris Edges mentioned this yesterday on Twitter that

635
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 7: when when when movements, When when somebody has martyred in

636
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Speaker 7: a movement like Charlie Kirk.

637
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:30,359
Speaker 8: Just was.

638
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 7: It, it sanctifies violence, no matter what that particular person

639
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 7: felt about violence. In Kirk's case, he was, you know,

640
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 7: strongly for discourse. You can hate what he said, but

641
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,759
Speaker 7: he was about persuasion and argumentation. You can you can

642
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 7: hate that he was for argumentation on behalf of something

643
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 7: that you think is terrible, but he was not advocating

644
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,840
Speaker 7: for for violence. But what happens with his martyrdom is

645
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 7: that now people in the movement who call for discussion

646
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 7: and debate will say, no, you know, Charlie Kirk tried that,

647
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 7: or you know, Elijah Lovejoy tried that, and look what

648
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 7: happened to him. He was killed by our evil enemies.

649
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 7: And the only thing we can do is war like that.

650
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 7: That's the only option that's that's left to us. And

651
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:29,240
Speaker 7: if you don't do that, you are betraying the legacy

652
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 7: of our marker. And and it's very hard internally in

653
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 7: those factional arguments to argue against that, even if you

654
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 7: can point to and this states, you know, not that

655
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 7: Charlie Kirk is MLK, but like MLKA was very you know,

656
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 7: all about nonviolence. But what a lot of people said

657
00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 7: afterwards is we'll look what it got him. You know,

658
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 7: it got him killed. The only path forward is to

659
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,760
Speaker 7: fight for him, and to fight violently for him.

660
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,560
Speaker 5: Well yeah, because it's I forget who said this, but

661
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Speaker 5: it it's it shows someone who's like trying to have

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Speaker 5: a back and forth and trying to say, like, let's

663
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Speaker 5: let's debate. Let's uh, you know, debate really rowdily if

664
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Speaker 5: that's an adverb, but let's let's do it.

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Speaker 6: And that effort was ended with a bullet.

666
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Speaker 1: So what messages that say, don't do that anymore?

667
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 6: Like it's not your gen z.

668
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Speaker 5: Charlie Kirk has been an ever present fixture of your

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Speaker 5: social media diet for five to ten years, and that

670
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Speaker 5: doesn't matter whether you're political or not. This kid was

671
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Speaker 5: on south Park. This guy was on South Park because

672
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Speaker 5: he was well known enough to be parodied on.

673
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Speaker 6: A pop culture platform like that.

674
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Speaker 5: And you have for years been scrolling through this guy

675
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Speaker 5: yelling at the libs, debating on college campuses all of

676
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 5: that on a podcast, and suddenly the video that you

677
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 5: scroll past is him engaged in that very say, same

678
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 5: act and ending literally in a geyser of blood. The

679
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 5: point that some people will take from that is, you know,

680
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 5: dialogue doesn't work. It doesn't work because you can end

681
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 5: it with a bullet and that's a horrifying there's a

682
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Speaker 5: horrifying takeaway that people might walk away with.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Chris Hedges wrote a piece Brian, I don't know if

685
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: you read it that talked some about, you know, the

686
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 2: role of the martyr, and I thought made some very

687
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 2: salient points about the way that a martyr can be

688
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: used in a movement to further radicalize. And this isn't speculative,

689
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 2: Like you can go and look on the timeline at

690
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: the number of people who were saying that's it, gloves

691
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Speaker 2: are off.

692
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,359
Speaker 4: Now we're waging war.

693
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 2: They want to kill us, and then President of the

694
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Speaker 2: United States, as we played earlier, saying you know, well,

695
00:37:58,160 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 2: you know, it would be nice if we could solve

696
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: it at the ballot, but that's not really possible because

697
00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 2: it's we don't even have a ballot box.

698
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:05,720
Speaker 4: It's so rigged, et cetera, et cetera.

699
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Speaker 2: So you know, that's what's like when you add those

700
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Speaker 2: the sense of political existential stakes, which in some ways,

701
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Speaker 2: you know, I mean the states of politics are high. Right,

702
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:22,800
Speaker 2: there's I don't want to sugarcoat it, like there is

703
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: a reality that the political stakes are high in fact,

704
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Speaker 2: and then you add to it this tinder box of

705
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Speaker 2: gun culture, untreated mental illness, mass inequality, increasing the economics

706
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 2: that we have been covering the economic numbers this week,

707
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 2: but they're not looking great. Things continue to trend to

708
00:38:41,120 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: higher inflation, higher inflation, higher unemployment, more jobless claims, et cetera.

709
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: And you know, and then you have these other existential

710
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Speaker 2: fears over AI, over climate crisis, over you know, migration

711
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Speaker 2: for some see that as an existential, you know, existential

712
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Speaker 2: type fear. And you're looking at you're looking at a

713
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Speaker 2: powder keg. That's that's the sense. And you know, Ryan,

714
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Speaker 2: do you think that the so I don't. I don't

715
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Speaker 2: particularly enjoy the pre Civil war comparison. That one is

716
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Speaker 2: really scary. I don't love the seventies comparison either, but

717
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Speaker 2: I guess it's somewhat less scary. Like do you think

718
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Speaker 2: do you see parallels with that time period as well.

719
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Speaker 7: The yes, and probably more so with than than with

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Speaker 7: pre Civil War, because, as you pointed out on the

721
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Speaker 7: show yesterday, the slaver class and also the anti slavery

722
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Speaker 7: folks properly understood the fight over slavery as as existential

723
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Speaker 7: and fundamental to the soul of the country. What is

724
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Speaker 7: what is that today?

725
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Speaker 1: Like that?

726
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 7: Does that doesn't exist? Like that the two parties agree on,

727
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 7: like most things, Ran, I.

728
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Speaker 5: Don't know if you've you've ever read the biography of

729
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Speaker 5: Barry Goldwater that Lee Edwards wrote.

730
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Speaker 6: It's a he was a historian.

731
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Speaker 5: He was actually at the Heritage Foundation for a really

732
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Speaker 5: long time, but he was Goldwater's comms director.

733
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Speaker 6: He was at the March on Washington. He was involved

734
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Speaker 6: in a lot of the.

735
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Speaker 5: Like conservative political activism in the rise of the Reagan Revolution.

736
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Speaker 5: And my friend Chris Bedford and I talked to him

737
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 5: in June of twenty twenty as DC was like in

738
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Speaker 5: a state of rolling crisis and asked him how it

739
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Speaker 5: compared to nineteen sixty eight. And I've taken a lot

740
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Speaker 5: of heat for reposting this just in the last like

741
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Speaker 5: I don't know, forty eight hours whatever it is now,

742
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Speaker 5: But he said, he told us when we asked how

743
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Speaker 5: it compared to nineteen sixty eight, I was kind of

744
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Speaker 5: like saying, like pushing him. I thought to say, like, no,

745
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Speaker 5: it's not as bad, don't be hysterical whatever. And he said,

746
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Speaker 5: now it's worse than nineteen sixty eight because some of

747
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Speaker 5: those like institutional points of consensus have frayed, and that

748
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 5: is a very very different time to and that is

749
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Speaker 5: like so that you do the Civil War parallels feel

750
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Speaker 5: more accurate in a point like that.

751
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Speaker 2: So, guys, I want to sorry. People are sharing a

752
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Speaker 2: clip and now let me see if I can play

753
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Speaker 2: it of the governor talking about how family members believe

754
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Speaker 2: that Robinson had become more political in recent years. So

755
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Speaker 2: let me go ahead and see if I can share

756
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Speaker 2: this clip and we can react to it.

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Speaker 14: On the other side, investigators interviewed a family member Robinson,

758
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Speaker 14: who stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years.

759
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Speaker 14: The family member referenced a recent incident in which Robinson

760
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Speaker 14: came to dinner prior to September tenth, and in the

761
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Speaker 14: conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was

762
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Speaker 14: coming to UVU. They talked about why they didn't like

763
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Speaker 14: him and the viewpoints that he had. The family member

764
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Speaker 14: also stated Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate.

765
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Speaker 14: The family member also confirmed Robinson had a gray Dodge Challenger.

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Speaker 14: Investigators identified an individual as the roommate of Robinson. Investigators

767
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Speaker 14: interviewed that roommate, who stated that his roommate, referring to Robinson,

768
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Speaker 14: made a joke on discord. Investigators asked if he would

769
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Speaker 14: show them the messages on discord. He opened it and

770
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Speaker 14: showed several messages to investigators and allowed investigators to take

771
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Speaker 14: photos of the screen as each message was shown by

772
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Speaker 14: Robinson's roommate. These photos consisted of various messages, including content

773
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Speaker 14: of messages between the phone contact named Tyler with an

774
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Speaker 14: emoji icon and Robinson's roommate's device.

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Speaker 2: So the commentary there again as that spoke to a

776
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Speaker 2: relative who had been with Tyler just recently. Tyler mentioned

777
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Speaker 2: Charlie's coming into down, talked about why he hated them

778
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Speaker 2: him and said he was full of hate. I can

779
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Speaker 2: tell you the what a lot of people on the

780
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Speaker 2: right are saying online is they're tying it into Oh,

781
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Speaker 2: he went to college and became radicalized, so you know,

782
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Speaker 2: and radicalized against the right and you know, became this

783
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Speaker 2: like murderous antifa guy, and so you can already see

784
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Speaker 2: you know, the obviously this administration already has been very

785
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Speaker 2: aggressive against universities. The right has been very this has

786
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: been part of a political ideological project anyway, So I

787
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Speaker 2: fully suspect that piece will be used further to go

788
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Speaker 2: after and.

789
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Speaker 7: You know, maybe this is maybe this is me just

790
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Speaker 7: reaching for what I want to be true. But uh,

791
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Speaker 7: if filled with hate recently becoming filled with hate, would

792
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Speaker 7: they would they be using that in the context of

793
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Speaker 7: becoming anti fascist.

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Speaker 1: I couldn't tell that, yeah, filled with hate.

795
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Speaker 2: I couldn't tell if he was saying that he was

796
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Speaker 2: filled with hate Tyler, or whether he was saying Charlie

797
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Speaker 2: Kirk was filled with hate and that's why he didn't

798
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Speaker 2: like him.

799
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Speaker 6: Right.

800
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Speaker 2: It was a little bit unclear in what the governor

801
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Speaker 2: was saying there, but people are taking you are saying

802
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Speaker 2: it to mean that Tyler was saying Kirk was filled

803
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Speaker 2: with hate.

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Speaker 7: Does he say did he say anything? And maybe we

805
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 7: can find more of this clip, but did he say

806
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Speaker 7: anything about what these messages were? Like the clip cut

807
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Speaker 7: off where he before he told like what the jokes

808
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Speaker 7: were that he was telling and what the messages were.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen. I have not seen that, but we'll

810
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Speaker 2: keep We'll keep looking and seeing if seeing if they

811
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Speaker 2: indicated what those Discord messages were, because yeah, that would

812
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 2: certainly be that would certainly be relevant to.

813
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Speaker 5: Know and and this, you know, we don't need to

814
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Speaker 5: even continue finding way to underscore this, but the fact

815
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Speaker 5: that someone was posting messages on Discord, I think, you know,

816
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:11,400
Speaker 5: we've we've seen the furry reference so far Discord. That's

817
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Speaker 5: indicative of somebody who is deep, deep in online culture.

818
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the radicalization seems less to be doe with, you know,

819
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 2: whatever academic institution he was at, and more to do

820
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Speaker 2: with whatever Discord server he was at.

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Speaker 7: Also, the the arrows, it looks like and maybe people

822
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Speaker 7: have some better clue into this, you know where they

823
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Speaker 7: said that down right.

824
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Speaker 2: Or up side upright, down down down, Yeah, fire.

825
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Speaker 1: Too, I mean hell divers too or what?

826
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Speaker 4: That's what I had to run some video game meme.

827
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Speaker 6: The time says.

828
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Speaker 5: The list of messages on the suspects casing is described

829
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Speaker 5: by a government cox include apparent references to online culture

830
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Speaker 5: and gaming quote up arrow, right arrow and three down

831
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Speaker 5: arrow symbols as described by Cox, maybe a reference, uh

832
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Speaker 5: maybe a re so a sequence of moves on a

833
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Speaker 5: controller that released a bomb in the video game Hell Divers.

834
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Speaker 5: Oh wow, another engraving quest. Owo, what's this? Is a

835
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Speaker 5: phrase used for trolling in online role play communities.

836
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's a furry specific I guess. I don't know.

837
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Speaker 2: The Internet was a mistake. I don't know, guys, what

838
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Speaker 2: to tell you? What to tell you? She is onto

839
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Speaker 2: something in China, shut it down? I mean it's this

840
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Speaker 2: is yeah, I mean, the most twenty twenty five thing

841
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Speaker 2: you can imagine.

842
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,239
Speaker 1: Like total gam gamer troll.

843
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 2: Brain rot gamer troll engravings on you know, bullets that

844
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Speaker 2: are used to murder a prominent activist, an online influencer,

845
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Speaker 2: and with the videos being streamed into our feats basically

846
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 2: in real time so that we can all over and

847
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Speaker 2: over again watch watch one of the gorious, most horrific

848
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Speaker 2: things you can possibly imagine, Like what what hell are

849
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Speaker 2: we living through?

850
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Speaker 5: Yeah?

851
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Speaker 6: Seriously, I.

852
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 5: Yep, it's hard to understand right now what this is

853
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 5: going to do to zoomers who have already seen so much.

854
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 5: I mean, I think back, I'm slightly younger than you guys.

855
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Speaker 5: You guys were like your brains were fully formed when

856
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Speaker 5: some of the like beheading videos we're hitting Twitter in

857
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Speaker 5: you know circle like twenty thirteen.

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Speaker 6: I forget when.

859
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Speaker 5: Fully was, but I saw that when I was like

860
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Speaker 5: probably sixteen, And it's not normal for the human brain

861
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Speaker 5: to experience that. It's not normal for the species to

862
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Speaker 5: experience that. Where it's you can zoom in, you can

863
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:05,760
Speaker 5: it's posted so many times in the hours after Charlie

864
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Speaker 5: was shot. It was I probably saw it fifteen different

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Speaker 5: times on my feed, you know, if you were trying

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Speaker 5: to get the news on a mainstream website. It's not

867
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Speaker 5: like this was in the bowels of you know, something

868
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Speaker 5: somebody downloaded on like bear share and sent to their

869
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Speaker 5: friends over email.

870
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Speaker 6: Like that's not what it was.

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Speaker 5: It was on a mainstream website, and it sounds tripe

872
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,600
Speaker 5: to us now, But I'm just thinking to somebody who

873
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Speaker 5: was like probably sixteen and saw a human being beheaded multiple.

874
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Speaker 6: Times, like this is so much worse.

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Speaker 5: I mean, they saw Brian Thompson, they saw all of

876
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Speaker 5: that all over, and it's a level of exposure to

877
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Speaker 5: violence that previously only would have existed in like war zones.

878
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Speaker 5: But even then you're experiencing something physically and in person,

879
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 5: and the disconnected nature of watching a total stranger that

880
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,359
Speaker 5: you will never meet, you do not know, and then

881
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 5: being incentivized to weigh in either with a great thought

882
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:08,399
Speaker 5: that's classy, or with a horrible thought because the algorithm

883
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 5: that pushed that video to you is also demanding a

884
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 5: response from you. We're so absolutely fucking cooked. We're just cooked.

885
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, what else can you say?

886
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 2: Like, And that's before we even talk about the you know,

887
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:24,600
Speaker 2: the images of a genocide that we've been seeing every

888
00:49:24,640 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 2: single day, the horrific video of Arena who was murdered

889
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: on a you know, public transit, and this is like

890
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 2: maybe I'm misremembering, but the beheading videos, like you had

891
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,799
Speaker 2: to like actually like I never watched it. You had

892
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: to like kind of intentionally. This was almost unavoidable.

893
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,280
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Ryan, No, no, I I we were breaking

894
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 7: that in real time, and I'm going to head it up.

895
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:56,240
Speaker 7: And then I put it in a different tab because

896
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 7: I didn't want to see it. Yeah, and then as

897
00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 7: and then I was I'm going back to working later,

898
00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 7: I clicked on that tab not knowing what it was,

899
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,600
Speaker 7: and there it was, and it's still in my mind.

900
00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, that image of Charlie will ever be

901
00:50:10,600 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: out of my mind because it was I mean, it

902
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: was horrifying. And I just you know, one thing that

903
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,880
Speaker 2: I can't quite fully describe or put my finger on,

904
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:23,040
Speaker 2: but like, think about, Okay, this killer puts these brain

905
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 2: rot memes, engraves them intentionally, like went out of his

906
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: way to do this so that you and I and

907
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:33,360
Speaker 2: Ryan and the whole world could talk about it and

908
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 2: decipher his Internet memes that he put on there for lulls.

909
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 2: And there's this sense of there's this sense of disconnect

910
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 2: and unreality where it's like it's that nihilistic nothing matters,

911
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:53,279
Speaker 2: you know, the more like outrageous thing you say, the

912
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 2: more like disgusting and hateful thing you say, the more

913
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 2: sort of notoriety you get. And and this sense that

914
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 2: other humans are quote unquote NPCs, right, they're not really real.

915
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,680
Speaker 2: I mean there's just this I don't know, this sense

916
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 2: of sort of disconnect from your fellow human. And there

917
00:51:14,640 --> 00:51:18,000
Speaker 2: are always going to be sociopathic type people out there

918
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 2: who just naturally have that disconnect from humanity and are

919
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: able to you know, pull a trigger and blow someone's

920
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:27,840
Speaker 2: tibits from you know, two hundred yards away and you know,

921
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 2: have no regrets about it or whatever, or.

922
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 6: A knife in the case of Arena, right, Like, that's it.

923
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 2: Right, So that was a very intimate murder. You know,

924
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 2: that's very intimate to be that close and to murder

925
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 2: someone in that way. But yeah, I just I have

926
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 2: a feeling like this type of Internet nihilism is converting

927
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 2: many more people into basically like sociopaths with little sense

928
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 2: of fellow common humanity.

929
00:51:56,120 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's what Like, I'm genuinely not trying to

930
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,160
Speaker 5: make this a partisan or anti Trump comment. I'm saying

931
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 5: this as somebody who's Charlie Kirk's age thirty two. He

932
00:52:07,200 --> 00:52:10,760
Speaker 5: was about to turn thirty two when Donald Trump says

933
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:13,959
Speaker 5: what he said about elections, that is something you heard

934
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 5: from the Fringes when I was growing up, when we

935
00:52:16,920 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 5: were growing up. And the fact that that came out

936
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 5: of the president of the United States, president the United

937
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:27,080
Speaker 5: States mouth after so many people in gen z just

938
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 5: saw what they saw. I think genuinely, like boomers, people

939
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 5: in Trump's demo have no idea what type of rocket

940
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 5: fuel that is for nihilism and violence and danger, and

941
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 5: it horrifies me to think about that combination.

942
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:46,000
Speaker 6: It really really does.

943
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:51,880
Speaker 2: I mean Ryan the you know, some of the violent

944
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,920
Speaker 2: weather underground and those type of movements. I mean I

945
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 2: feel like that comes from a similar place of like,

946
00:52:58,560 --> 00:53:01,680
Speaker 2: you know, oh well we the political system like failed us,

947
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 2: and so you know, there's this is this is the

948
00:53:04,520 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 2: only thing that Matt, this is the only thing that

949
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: could work. I mean you can also see it in

950
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: terms of like, uh, this, you know, the parallels are

951
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 2: not perfect guys here, so forgive me. But the Hamas

952
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 2: Palestinian like violent resistance too. It's like, hey, we tried,

953
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,359
Speaker 2: we tried, this thing didn't work, so our only path

954
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:23,560
Speaker 2: forward is is violence.

955
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 7: The difference between uh you know that kind of organized

956
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:35,120
Speaker 7: violence and this is that what you could hate it,

957
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,440
Speaker 7: but it has and you can disagree, like I think

958
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:44,279
Speaker 7: the weathermen were reckless adventurists who uh you know, on

959
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 7: and on people care about my you know weather ut

960
00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:50,759
Speaker 7: of ground critique. But like the point is like they

961
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 7: had they had an idea, like they were going to

962
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 7: spark a revolution whatever, Like it had an it had

963
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:00,319
Speaker 7: a one two three, there.

964
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:01,240
Speaker 6: Was a grand strategy.

965
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 1: I think it's an.

966
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 7: Outrageous one two three and stupid and counterproductive and blah blah,

967
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 7: but it was a the was a one two three,

968
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 7: Like what is this?

969
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 1: Like this feels like trolling.

970
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 7: It feels like taking someone's life in the most with

971
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 7: the flick of a wrist with for a personal catharsis

972
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:27,520
Speaker 7: and just joking like like you're in a discord server

973
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,680
Speaker 7: like to but this is to take someone's life with

974
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:35,960
Speaker 7: references to like video game memes and meme and furry

975
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 7: memes is so sacrilegious to humanity. Mm hmmm, So keep

976
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,120
Speaker 7: that on discord, like you want to.

977
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 6: Feel you want to feel black pilled.

978
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 5: The weather underground could actually organize a group of physical

979
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 5: people to plan.

980
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:59,200
Speaker 7: Right that way, they blew them so, they blew themselves up,

981
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 7: but at least they were able to get more than

982
00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:02,080
Speaker 7: one person in a room.

983
00:55:02,560 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 5: They were not yet they were they right, right right,

984
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 5: And so that's a huge difference from a lone wolf

985
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 5: Internet radicals or Internet nihilists, because think about I mean

986
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 5: think about this that he was not part of a

987
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:22,759
Speaker 5: literal underground community of dozens of people who are organizing

988
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 5: in back rooms.

989
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:27,840
Speaker 6: This is somebody who was alone.

990
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 5: When you are part of a radical revolutionary group, whether

991
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 5: it was right or left underground or whatever else. These

992
00:55:38,880 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 5: are people who had, like that was a sense of

993
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,960
Speaker 5: purpose and belonging community. This is somebody who has no

994
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 5: and that's all like everything that Ryan said underscore, like awful,

995
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 5: horrible way to define community through violence like that. But

996
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 5: this is somebody who is who's trying to find purpose

997
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 5: in saying there is no purpose and is trying to

998
00:55:58,960 --> 00:56:02,160
Speaker 5: make that point the Oh my god, I mean, it's

999
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 5: just so depressing to think about.

1000
00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 7: I think I have a clip here that's a little

1001
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 7: bit more of the the family member stuff if you

1002
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,279
Speaker 7: want to roll back through this again, just like so.

1003
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,760
Speaker 4: We can see if are you able to share it Ryan.

1004
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:19,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me do it here.

1005
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:25,040
Speaker 14: The family member also confirmed Robinson had a Gray Dodge Challenger.

1006
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 14: Investigators identified an individual as the roommate of Robinson. Investigators

1007
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 14: interviewed that roommate, who stated that his roommate, referring to Robinson,

1008
00:56:35,960 --> 00:56:38,959
Speaker 14: made a joke on discord. Investigators asked if you would

1009
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 14: show them the messages on discord. He opened it and

1010
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 14: showed several messages to investigators and allowed investigators to take

1011
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,600
Speaker 14: photos of the screen as each message was shown.

1012
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:49,840
Speaker 8: By Robinson's roommate.

1013
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 14: These photos consisted of various messages, including content of messages

1014
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:58,959
Speaker 14: between the phone contact named Tyler with an emoji icon

1015
00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 14: and Robinson's roommate's device. The content of these messages included

1016
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,759
Speaker 14: messages affiliated with the contact Tyler, stating a need to

1017
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:12,880
Speaker 14: retrieve a rifle from a drop point, leaving the rifle

1018
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:17,760
Speaker 14: in a bush. Messages related to a to visually watching

1019
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 14: the area where a rifle was left, and a message

1020
00:57:20,920 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 14: referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel.

1021
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,919
Speaker 14: The messages also referred to engraving bullets and a mention

1022
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:34,560
Speaker 14: of a scope and the rifle being unique. Messages from

1023
00:57:34,640 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 14: the contact Tyler also mentioned that he had changed outfits. Wow,

1024
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 14: I know there has been speculation as well as to

1025
00:57:45,560 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 14: the writing on those casings, those those bullet casings, and I.

1026
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 8: Believe we have that as well. We already do this

1027
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:57,320
Speaker 8: and I'll share that with you.

1028
00:57:57,480 --> 00:57:59,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we already got the casings.

1029
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 2: But the so, in my understanding, right, this man murdered

1030
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,760
Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk and then went on a discord server to

1031
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 2: be like talking about the gun and talking about changing

1032
00:58:12,040 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 2: his clothes and basically.

1033
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:15,120
Speaker 1: Talking about it seking his roommate for help.

1034
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 4: Is that what I'm understanding here.

1035
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:20,800
Speaker 1: That he's doing.

1036
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 7: He's doing that police talk, which makes it deliberately difficult

1037
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:25,800
Speaker 7: to translate into English, but that.

1038
00:58:25,840 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 4: Does That is wild. That is wild.

1039
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:33,160
Speaker 2: You did this and you got away, you left your gun,

1040
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: and you're like talking about the gun, talking about where

1041
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: you left it, talking about how you changed your clothes,

1042
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 2: bringing about this to your buddy on a discord server,

1043
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: like when it.

1044
00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:43,760
Speaker 6: Took twenty four plus hours.

1045
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 5: They didn't until this person's again, like until this person's

1046
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 5: dad turned them in.

1047
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:49,919
Speaker 6: This was in a.

1048
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 5: Public place full of CCTV at a densely crowded event,

1049
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:56,760
Speaker 5: and this person is bragging about it on a discord

1050
00:58:56,800 --> 00:58:59,880
Speaker 5: server afterwards, and the FBI more than twenty four hours

1051
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 5: in about thirty six hours in had nothing except for

1052
00:59:04,160 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 5: by the grace of God, this person's father had the

1053
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:14,280
Speaker 5: willpower to turn them in. So increasingly looking like from

1054
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 5: my perspective right now, is increasingly looking like uh, possible

1055
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,400
Speaker 5: antif nihilism, but also horrific.

1056
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 6: Law enforcement response.

1057
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:29,840
Speaker 5: I mean, just what the hell of crazy?

1058
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 6: That's so dangerous? It's so dangerous.

1059
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there and and then cash hotel has the

1060
00:59:35,880 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 2: temerity to go out and brag about how historic and

1061
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 2: how incredible, how incredible of a job they'd done. I mean,

1062
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 2: it's just it's unbelievable.

1063
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 1: I Mean the truth is that you don't.

1064
00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:48,840
Speaker 7: Law enforcement doesn't have to be that great. If you

1065
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 7: if a picture gets out, like, right, you're gonna get

1066
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 7: You're gonna get found.

1067
00:59:54,240 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, because everybody is the public, right, and almost all

1068
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 2: the public is going to be on your side. Right,

1069
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: There's gonna be very few that would actually be willing

1070
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 2: to you know, harbor the Charlie Kirk murder, not turn

1071
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 2: them in, you know, right.

1072
01:00:10,040 --> 01:00:12,920
Speaker 7: So unless he's you know, going you have to wear

1073
01:00:12,920 --> 01:00:14,480
Speaker 7: a ski mask and then people be like, what the

1074
01:00:14,520 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 7: hell are you doing wearing a ski mask?

1075
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:16,919
Speaker 11: Right?

1076
01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 1: Maybe the other so just during the pandemic, maybe could

1077
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: have stuck in.

1078
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,240
Speaker 2: You could have gotten away with it. Yeah, Or if

1079
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 2: you're posing as an ice agent, you could pull out.

1080
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,240
Speaker 1: All that's true. I'm an ice agent on the roof.

1081
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, actually, yeah, that would be been even more of

1082
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 2: a twenty twenty five murder. And then the other aspect

1083
01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:36,160
Speaker 2: of it, you know, to add to the sort of

1084
01:00:36,200 --> 01:00:38,919
Speaker 2: dystopian unreality, the whole thing, because I know you guys

1085
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 2: saw this, like influencer who was there, who was posting

1086
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:47,440
Speaker 2: to TikTok, like follow me on TikTok, and like mugging

1087
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 2: for the camera, which again is like, you know, even

1088
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 2: as you're living through this horror, you're still like somehow

1089
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,760
Speaker 2: disconnected from it, even as you're like in the real world,

1090
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: still disconnected from it. And after the fact, I know,

1091
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 2: we like apologize, I'll be a better creator, whatever, but

1092
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,640
Speaker 2: you're like disconnected from the very reality and the humanity

1093
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,880
Speaker 2: that you are existing with and living through.

1094
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 5: Because your reality is that your career is tied to

1095
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Speaker 5: the algorithm, and so you are This is like Marshall mccleuan,

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Speaker 5: You are as a human being changed by the medium

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Speaker 5: that is controlling your life. And these mediums are not

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Speaker 5: changing us for the better. There's just clearly we are

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Speaker 5: being warped into our own thought processes having dictation by

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Speaker 5: the algorithm because you start thinking in terms of the algorithm,

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Speaker 5: and people need to be extremely careful about it, and

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Speaker 5: we aren't, and the tech companies aren't. The tech companies

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Speaker 5: X included Elon Musk is condemning all of this, but

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01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:49,720
Speaker 5: he owns a company that has one of the most

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01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 5: major roles in poisoning US algorithmically, poisoning US algorithmically. So

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Speaker 5: it's just like it reminds me of the video of

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01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 5: that went viral in a totally different vein of that

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01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 5: young man who was saying he was working really hard

1109
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Speaker 5: and couldn't get ahead, that went megaviral like a month ago,

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Speaker 5: and it was he was dead on in his description

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Speaker 5: of the economy. It was, it was accurate, it was poignant.

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Speaker 5: And then you look at the bottom of the TikTok

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01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 5: and it says things like hashtag follow me, and it's

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01:02:25,080 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 5: think about that, I mean, hashtag follow me, hashtag so

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Speaker 5: like you had hashtags basically.

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Speaker 6: Being like I want to become an influencer something to

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Speaker 6: that extent.

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Speaker 5: And it's just like that is just I don't know

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Speaker 5: that you could possibly be much more depressed about the

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Speaker 5: state of the country.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think it's an accelerant, Like I don't

1122
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,800
Speaker 2: think it starts with the social media. I think it's

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Speaker 2: it's an accelerant the internet culture for a society that's

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01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 2: already sick in any number of ways. But yeah, I

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Speaker 2: don't I don't know what to say about it. And

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Speaker 2: we can wrap up here pretty soon, because I don't

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Speaker 2: I don't see you know, I don't know what else

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Speaker 2: we're going to get right now. But Ryan, you got

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Speaker 2: any any last thoughts you want to add in here?

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Speaker 7: No, I mean the only uh, you know, for people

1131
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 7: like myself who don't want this to be like a leftist,

1132
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,680
Speaker 7: the only hope is that he's trolling with his hey

1133
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 7: fascist catch and that sort of stuff, mellow chow and

1134
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 7: the belli chow. That that that that's that, that's some kind

1135
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 7: of a troll in a in a misdirection.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think I hear Mac. What's Mac saying?

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Speaker 5: Oh? No, that was actually it was you heard yourself

1138
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,800
Speaker 5: through my microphone, gotcha?

1139
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Speaker 7: So, uh, you know, these are just you know, dark, dark,

1140
01:03:43,960 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 7: dark times really and it's uh, it's still hard to

1141
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:51,760
Speaker 7: believe that Charlie Kirk is dead.

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01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is just thinking that it feels it's crazy.

1143
01:03:56,120 --> 01:03:57,880
Speaker 2: And I mean that's the other aspect of this is

1144
01:03:57,960 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 2: Emily you brought up like the parasocial relationship that millions

1145
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 2: have with him and will experience this as if you

1146
01:04:06,920 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 2: know someone who's genuinely close to them.

1147
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,560
Speaker 4: Was gil mm hmmm, h m hm.

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Speaker 5: I mean, it's it's so like and that can go

1149
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 5: in really positive directions for some people. But again, I'm

1150
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:23,080
Speaker 5: not worried about the people who are reacting healthily to this,

1151
01:04:23,840 --> 01:04:26,640
Speaker 5: because I know that there's a large group of people

1152
01:04:27,360 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 5: that aren't going to react ealthily to this because they

1153
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:33,400
Speaker 5: have no community, they have no friends, but they have

1154
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Speaker 5: a they have a computer. And I'm just going to

1155
01:04:36,800 --> 01:04:39,120
Speaker 5: put this before we wrap. I just want to put

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Speaker 5: this image that we've gotten in of Charlie's widow now

1157
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 5: widow on the screen because it is just you just

1158
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:52,160
Speaker 5: look at her face and the video emerge of her

1159
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 5: exiting Air Force two with Ushavants and just gripping Ontosha Vance. Obviously,

1160
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Speaker 5: JD was very close friends with with Charlie. Charlie helped

1161
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:05,120
Speaker 5: get JD onto the ticket by lobbying behind the scenes

1162
01:05:05,160 --> 01:05:09,520
Speaker 5: with what Don Junior uh And so this is something

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01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 5: that this administration, I mean again at the White House yesterday,

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Speaker 5: those young Trump staffers, that the level of doom that

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01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:20,640
Speaker 5: was ever present hanging in the air the entire day

1166
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,360
Speaker 5: and shock it just you know, it's it's one way

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Speaker 5: I think, you know, we're talking now about how people

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Speaker 5: in the public are experiencing this, and that's right, because

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Speaker 5: it's crazy. But just also think about how closely this

1170
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Speaker 5: is touching the way that we talked about this earlier,

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01:05:38,920 --> 01:05:43,920
Speaker 5: the reactions from this administration. This is so so personal,

1172
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Speaker 5: so personal. So it's a really scary time.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Trump had no like direct personal connection to

1175
01:05:52,800 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 2: big Balls. This is someone he knew and knew closely

1176
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,440
Speaker 2: and you know, was looped in within minute station in

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Speaker 2: any number of ways. So we'll see where we go

1178
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,080
Speaker 2: from here. Anything else, guys.

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Speaker 6: I just hope you guys, uh, stay safe.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I appreciate you guys, I'll say that, and

1181
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,080
Speaker 2: you know, I let's we'll end on the good news.

1182
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Speaker 4: It's good news that this guy.

1183
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:21,360
Speaker 2: Got caught, good news that he's in custody, good news

1184
01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 2: that you know, they've got him. And I'm sure we're

1185
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Speaker 2: gonna we're gonna learn a lot more here and you know, well,

1186
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:29,840
Speaker 2: if there's anything that pops up big over the weekend, guys,

1187
01:06:29,880 --> 01:06:32,320
Speaker 2: one or the other of us will try to cover it. Otherwise,

1188
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,640
Speaker 2: Soccer and I will be in studio for a normal

1189
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 2: show on Monday, and we will see you then.

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Speaker 6: Pull people out of nihilism.

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Speaker 5: By the way, sorry, I just want to say, because

1192
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:43,640
Speaker 5: like we have some very online people and we're grateful

1193
01:06:43,720 --> 01:06:44,360
Speaker 5: for all of you.

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01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 6: If you see someone going down a dark path, do

1195
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 6: what you can to pull them out of it. That's

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01:06:48,520 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 6: the best we can all do right now.

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Speaker 4: Yep, all right, guys, talk to you soon.