WEBVTT - Craig Moore - Superintendent at Marquette Golf Club

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<v Speaker 1>back with another episode and today we are joined by

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<v Speaker 1>Craig Moore. He is the head of Grounds at Marquette

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<v Speaker 1>Golf Club all the way up in the Upper Peninsula

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<v Speaker 1>of Michigan. Craig is a golf course, architecture, golf history

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<v Speaker 1>nut and takes meticulous care of the courses up at Marquette.

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<v Speaker 1>He has both a Golden Age design in the Langford

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<v Speaker 1>Moreau nine Heritage course at Marquette as well as the

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<v Speaker 1>modern Mike Devreese eighteen holes at Gray Walls. So Craig

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<v Speaker 1>is deeply into our architecture and also maintains a course

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<v Speaker 1>in one of the most one of the harshest and

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<v Speaker 1>shortest seasons in the United States. So we talk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit about architecture of the courses and the unique

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<v Speaker 1>challenges that he has up in Marquette, Michigan. Enjoy the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I miss a Green. For example, I'm already upset when

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<v Speaker 1>I find my ball in the bunker, I'm really upset.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I find my ball.

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<v Speaker 1>In arid egg Frida egg, the dreaded Frida, egg Frida,

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<v Speaker 1>egg Frida, egg bride egg Lie, I'm about ready to

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<v Speaker 1>run off the course. All right, all right, Craig, we're

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<v Speaker 1>here in Marquette, Michigan.

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<v Speaker 2>What's silly?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what's it like living here?

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a fantasy, man, I'll just be honest with you.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's crazy good. You know, you got the extreme

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<v Speaker 2>of all four seasons. Summers. You can't beat it. If

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<v Speaker 2>you like winter recreation, you cannot beat it. Because winter comes,

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<v Speaker 2>we get snow and it stays. So yeah, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>a fantasy for me.

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<v Speaker 1>How much snow and how cold are we talking? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you're almost the northern tip of the continent, all you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah, yeah, we're I mean we're the north coast

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<v Speaker 2>of America up here, we like to call it. We

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<v Speaker 2>get right right around two hundred and thirty inches here

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<v Speaker 2>in the Marquette area. And so when it comes and

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<v Speaker 2>when it's winter. It's here, but we do have the

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<v Speaker 2>lake that kind of moderates the temperature so it doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>get brutally brutally cold. We do some stretches, but nothing

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<v Speaker 2>like like you see in the Dakotas or Minnesota.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's say it's an air conditioner in the summer.

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<v Speaker 1>The lake Superior is an air conditioner in the summer

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<v Speaker 1>and heater in the winter. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, so we'll get our we'll get our ninety degree

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<v Speaker 2>days in the summer, but it's usually not all day long.

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<v Speaker 2>We get a little push from the lake and boom

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<v Speaker 2>back down to seventies. So it's a glory. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>glorious thing.

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<v Speaker 1>So you've been at Gray Walls. You came here right

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<v Speaker 1>at the construction start. So you in Marquette Golf Club's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a unique situation where you're semi private model. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got members, two golf courses, one modern one one classic.

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<v Speaker 1>You kind of have all. You have a nine building

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<v Speaker 1>the sixties, so you got you got every type of

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<v Speaker 1>golf architecture. Here. Tell us about your life at Marquette

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<v Speaker 1>Golf Club.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it started out my wife's born race here in

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<v Speaker 2>Marquette Okay, grew up in Lawa, Michigan, and my father

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<v Speaker 2>in law has been a member here for god probably

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<v Speaker 2>going on forty years now. And so my wife was

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<v Speaker 2>on this property when she was younger. But I started

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<v Speaker 2>dating here back at ninety nine two thousand, started really

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<v Speaker 2>coming up here a lot and and playing the course,

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<v Speaker 2>and by then I had done the Kingsley Club. So

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<v Speaker 2>I got to know Mike obviously real well, and we

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<v Speaker 2>hit it off, and he'd do sit visits up here,

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<v Speaker 2>and if I was up here, i'd go on the

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<v Speaker 2>site visit with him. Got to meet Pete Schevratt, who

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<v Speaker 2>was the previous superintendent and project manager for the Gray

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<v Speaker 2>Walls course when we're building it, and you know, we

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of really hit it off. So that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of got me up here. My wife got in to

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<v Speaker 2>get her PhD, so we had to leave for two years.

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<v Speaker 2>We went down to MSU, she completed that. Then the

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<v Speaker 2>job opened, the head job opened up here, and this

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<v Speaker 2>was after the construction everything. We left for a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of years. So two thousand and six I got a

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<v Speaker 2>call from Mike saying, Hey, I'm Pete's leaving. You'll probably

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<v Speaker 2>get a call from somebody at the club here and

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<v Speaker 2>lo and behold, Kenny Roushill gave me a call and

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<v Speaker 2>came out up for an interview. And it was one

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<v Speaker 2>of those situations where I walked out the interview walking

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<v Speaker 2>out and I'm like, well, yeah, I just I know

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<v Speaker 2>it's a good fit, and I'm pretty sure they do too.

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<v Speaker 2>And it was kind of an how we're never situation

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<v Speaker 2>for me is like, either this is the time to

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<v Speaker 2>come up and and be and be up here, or

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't gonna happen in this area. So went back

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<v Speaker 2>talked to my wife. She was just done with the coursework,

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<v Speaker 2>she could do her dissertation anywhere, and and we had

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<v Speaker 2>headed up here. So made the decision, came up. She's

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<v Speaker 2>a professor here at Northern Now and so everything worked

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<v Speaker 2>out really well.

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<v Speaker 1>You grew up golf family, you know, family of golf nuts,

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<v Speaker 1>and when did you decide that you really wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>do the turf.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, my dad was one of the just a

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<v Speaker 2>great animateur player, and he was one of the best

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<v Speaker 2>in the state for many years, and so our summer

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<v Speaker 2>vacation kind of revolved around his his golf schedule. We

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<v Speaker 2>spent a lot of time on in Potaski Charlotoy area

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<v Speaker 2>while he was playing the Michigan am was his big.

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<v Speaker 1>Things that Belvetere every year for a really long time.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely yeah, And so that kind of you know, playing

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<v Speaker 2>the courses back down there, you know, and then going

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<v Speaker 2>up there and walking around to watch him play. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just like, wow, this is different, Like this is

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<v Speaker 2>really cool, Like what's different about this? So that got

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<v Speaker 2>me thinking about it. So then I just started reading

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<v Speaker 2>on it. And then everything I could read on on

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<v Speaker 2>architecture what I just started picking up back then and reading,

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, it was I went over to my parents,

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<v Speaker 2>moved to Traverse City, and my brother, my older brother Chris,

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<v Speaker 2>actually went to look for work for us for summer.

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<v Speaker 2>He went over to this course called Mistwood, went over there.

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<v Speaker 2>They were doing another nine. Okay, they had eighteen. They

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<v Speaker 2>built another nine, and went over there and did the

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<v Speaker 2>construction on that nine. And I worked for Dan Lucas,

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<v Speaker 2>who's currently at the Kingsley Club, did the Kingsley Club.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what got me hooked. Like right then, like

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<v Speaker 2>that summer of construction, I was like, wow, this is

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<v Speaker 2>really cool. And from then I just I just stayed

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<v Speaker 2>focused and and I just you know kind of person

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<v Speaker 2>where well that's what I'm gonna do. I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go do it, you know. And so I just went

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<v Speaker 2>and did it. So I went to Michigan State and

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<v Speaker 2>got the Crop and Soil Science degree and turf grass

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<v Speaker 2>management and yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that's where you met Mike was at kings.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's where I met Mike Deres at Kingsley Club.

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<v Speaker 1>That had to be a pretty cool experience bill that course.

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<v Speaker 2>It was awesome, awesome. Yeah, I was able to another

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<v Speaker 2>young man but the name of Tim Hall came over

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<v Speaker 2>from Manchester and so he joined our crew too, and

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<v Speaker 2>him and I h a lot of handwork with with

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<v Speaker 2>Mike on the golf course, so a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>finishing stuff. Mike was so hands on with that project.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, everything got got a landscape break at the

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<v Speaker 2>end before we seedd it. So we would do all

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<v Speaker 2>that finishing work with him and then him and I

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<v Speaker 2>was pretty much seeded the place, so behind every all

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<v Speaker 2>the other activity.

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<v Speaker 1>So and then you were part of this bill at

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<v Speaker 1>gray Wallace.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I came up here in three Pete who

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<v Speaker 2>was here before me, became the project manager and it

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<v Speaker 2>was just too much for him to even do anything

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<v Speaker 2>on the heritage course, so brought me up. He said, here,

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<v Speaker 2>take this over. When you get when the guys are gone,

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<v Speaker 2>come over here and give me a hand. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>why I did, so, you know, running the h and

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<v Speaker 2>then at the end of the day, I was just

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<v Speaker 2>coming over here and whatever Pete needed, whoever Mike needed,

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<v Speaker 2>I would just come over here, and you know we'd

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<v Speaker 2>work till dark.

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<v Speaker 1>So but uh, I guess, you know, being part of

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<v Speaker 1>two bills, it's like, how would you compare and contrast

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<v Speaker 1>the two properties, and and you know with gray Walls,

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<v Speaker 1>is I think like one of these experiences like completely

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<v Speaker 1>different type of golf course than anywhere in America, but

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<v Speaker 1>in Kingsley is also just this wonderful place. But like

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<v Speaker 1>what what do you would you say are similarities and

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<v Speaker 1>differences between the two projects.

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<v Speaker 2>Well that you saw, you know, similarities just the way

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<v Speaker 2>Mike's Bills is greens for instance, you know, with favorable

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<v Speaker 2>locations and maybe not so favorable locations. You just gotta

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<v Speaker 2>really think when you're going into the into the green

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<v Speaker 2>complex where you want to be. Okay, So and you

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<v Speaker 2>got to think in your previous shot as well, like,

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<v Speaker 2>where do you want to put on the fairway? Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>you got a massive fairway, but guess what, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you might want to be on the left side. You

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<v Speaker 2>might not alway want to be on that right side,

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<v Speaker 2>but you have to think about it you go around.

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<v Speaker 2>So those are the similarities. There's a lot of banks

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff you can work with, backstops that you can

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<v Speaker 2>work with that maybe make some greens that are already big,

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<v Speaker 2>even bigger than what they actually are because you do

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<v Speaker 2>have those backstops.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's uh, the I mean the routing here at

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<v Speaker 1>gray Wallace is I mean, it's just unbelievable that there's

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<v Speaker 1>able to get a golf course. I mean, what were

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<v Speaker 1>your first impressions when you came to this site?

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<v Speaker 2>That that yeah, that is that is good. So doing

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<v Speaker 2>safe visits with Mike this is it was a heavily

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<v Speaker 2>forested piece of property, okay, and that you wouldn't even

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<v Speaker 2>know that a lot of these rock out crops existed

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<v Speaker 2>because they were just you know, covered in trees, buried

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<v Speaker 2>in trees. And so you're walking through these areas and

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<v Speaker 2>we're wearing the orange vest, you know, and he's telling

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<v Speaker 2>you how to stand here. So you can go up here,

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<v Speaker 2>up there and laser back to your orange vest and

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<v Speaker 2>kind of get yardages. And yeah, it was just I'm

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<v Speaker 2>coming across in these areas and just shaking my head

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<v Speaker 2>in my mind. You know, I get a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>agronomic thoughts going through my mind, like, how the hell

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<v Speaker 2>are we gonna go grass here? You know, how the

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<v Speaker 2>hell is this gonna happen? And uh, and Mike was persistent, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's gonna work, It's gonna work. It's gonna be so cool.

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<v Speaker 2>And I mean we worked. It was just it's worked out.

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<v Speaker 2>But it took the routing here. He had to be

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how many hours might put in on it,

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<v Speaker 2>but he had. He had just been a major head

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<v Speaker 2>scratcher for him and he had a lot of holes

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<v Speaker 2>out there that just didn't work out obviously to make

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<v Speaker 2>things connect and keep flowing. But the end routing, the

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<v Speaker 2>end result is is awesome because not only the geology

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<v Speaker 2>the topography we have with the hills and the rock,

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<v Speaker 2>but we also have the gas line that runs through

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<v Speaker 2>the property that you don't even know who they are

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<v Speaker 2>and if you're a golfer, and then we also have

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<v Speaker 2>the Oreana which which separates the prior to two courses,

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<v Speaker 2>and so he had those two environmental restrictions to work

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<v Speaker 2>with to route around as well, So it wasn't just

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<v Speaker 2>the rock.

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<v Speaker 1>What and in terms of build obviously your season is

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<v Speaker 1>very short here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what what.

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<v Speaker 1>Was the building construction process like with such a condensed

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<v Speaker 1>time to get eighteen holes done? Did it take? Was

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<v Speaker 1>it a year? Year and a half? Two years?

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<v Speaker 2>So that that was a big difference from the Kingsley Club. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>at Kingsley we were the construction crew. Like we you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we did everything. I mean Dan ran heavy equipment. Mike

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<v Speaker 2>was obviously on heavy equipment, which he was here too,

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<v Speaker 2>but just not to the extent that he was in

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<v Speaker 2>the Kingsy Club. So we had a company called Northern

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<v Speaker 2>Clearing out of Northern Wisconsin that came and did the construction.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was definitely different. And they cranked it out.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean two thousand and three was the big construction year,

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<v Speaker 2>and those guys humped it. I mean they got her done.

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<v Speaker 2>Treeworks started, you know, the previous years. It did some

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<v Speaker 2>small blasting previous years, but that two thousand and three

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<v Speaker 2>was the big year, and I mean we were mowing

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<v Speaker 2>turf by the end of the year.

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<v Speaker 1>So talk tell us a little bit about, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the for people that haven't been to Gray Walls, tell

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<v Speaker 1>us a little bit about the unique the kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the landscape of the area and the golf course, how

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of winds its way through the property.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure. So Marquette, Michigan sits on the southern tip of

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<v Speaker 2>the Canadian Shield. Okay, so you got this huge, massive

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<v Speaker 2>granite formation up in Canada, comes underneath Lake Superior, and

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<v Speaker 2>then it kind of ends here in Marquette. So you

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<v Speaker 2>exit Marquette, you get through the Market Mountain range, you

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<v Speaker 2>get past the ski hill and just flattens out and

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<v Speaker 2>it's just sand. Okay, So we just have this wild,

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<v Speaker 2>just bizarre terrain right here all right, and full of

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<v Speaker 2>rockout crops Okay, very weathered rock out crops, but there

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<v Speaker 2>the scale of them is is just amazing. When you

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<v Speaker 2>do get into an open area and you see it,

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<v Speaker 2>it just you're like, Wow, what the heck is that? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>So so you know, with this golf course, you've got

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<v Speaker 1>to you know, you've got Marquette Golf Club and Gray Walls,

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<v Speaker 1>which Marquette Golf Club the original nine was built by

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<v Speaker 1>lang from a Row. Yes, and then David Gill came

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<v Speaker 1>in and and built nine holes. You know, before you

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<v Speaker 1>got here, what did you know about lang from a Row?

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<v Speaker 1>And and you know, how is that you know kind

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<v Speaker 1>of changed, you know and educated. Obviously there's some spectacular

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<v Speaker 1>golf alls out there. And uh, a little bit about

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<v Speaker 1>how Langford Morreau got up here. I just asked you

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<v Speaker 1>like seventeen questions.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, yeah, I'll take that run.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So obviously Langford Merur the Chicago district. You know, they

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<v Speaker 2>worked their way north, okay, and as they started getting

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<v Speaker 2>into northern Wisconsin into the up it's things back then

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<v Speaker 2>they did things different back then, you know, they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>they couldn't just go to a bank and get a

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<v Speaker 2>loan to the build a place. So they had the

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<v Speaker 2>raise of funds to do it. So and then up

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<v Speaker 2>in the in the north woods up here, there wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>as much money, okay, so they would just start with

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<v Speaker 2>nine holes, all right. A lot of them never went

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<v Speaker 2>back to the other nine. They just stayed nine holes.

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<v Speaker 2>So so Langford and meryal so they might have designed

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<v Speaker 2>drawn up eighteen, but they just it just didn't get done, okay,

0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:42.800
<v Speaker 2>and then a lot of the clubs just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>lost the history of it, you know, and just didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even realize what they had, which happened here for many, many,

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<v Speaker 2>many years. So when Mike got on the scene, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>then all of a sudden, you know, he's a big

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<v Speaker 2>obviously a big golf architecture guy, history guy, I am

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<v Speaker 2>as well, and so we started kind of just bringing

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<v Speaker 2>that here to the club and getting these people to

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<v Speaker 2>read it, okay, And they actually didn't even they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>even know they had the original routing from lakerd Bureau

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<v Speaker 2>for all eighteen up until gosh, it was probably two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and two thousand and one when when Ron Woitten

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<v Speaker 2>actually found a copy of it and brought to the

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<v Speaker 2>club's attention. Now going back in the Minutes, the history

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<v Speaker 2>of the Minutes and the club, they did actually find

0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:23.880
<v Speaker 2>a small copy of that, but they just didn't realize

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<v Speaker 2>they had it. So then they started recognizing, wholl you know,

0:14:25.920 --> 0:14:28.640
<v Speaker 2>we do have something really cool here. And and so

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<v Speaker 2>it's kind of been a pet project to mind because

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<v Speaker 2>we don't have much money up here, you know, to

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of blow things up. We can just they're

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<v Speaker 2>here for golf, they want to play golf, and then

0:14:35.960 --> 0:14:38.880
<v Speaker 2>and then that's super cool, and and so we don't

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<v Speaker 2>we don't want to disrupt that much either. So kind

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<v Speaker 2>of a pet project to mind has been that there

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<v Speaker 2>was original nine holes over over on the heritage course

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of one. It was the green pads a

0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.800
<v Speaker 2>trunk up like always happened. Okay, so you had all

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<v Speaker 2>those laws lost, the greens pad, lost corridors on the

0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.560
<v Speaker 2>green so rowing those out to approach height was huge.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can see the pad, okay, and now we're

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<v Speaker 2>in the process that, yeah, let's start getting some out

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<v Speaker 2>to green height so we can get those pins back.

0:15:02.640 --> 0:15:04.680
<v Speaker 2>So we got one back to green's height. The restaurant

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<v Speaker 2>just mode at least that approach height. So it's pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're doing some tree work, bringing back some shot

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<v Speaker 2>options off some teas that we had lost, and there's

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<v Speaker 2>there's a little bit of bunker work. They didn't do

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<v Speaker 2>a ton of changes, like I said, they never had

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of money, but there is some changes in

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<v Speaker 2>the bunkers and it wouldn't be real tough to bring

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<v Speaker 2>it back. But it's just not a huge priority right

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<v Speaker 2>now because you know, the focus is short of golf season.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's tea baby, Yeah, talk about the short I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a golf crazed community here. What type of volume

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<v Speaker 1>are you doing on the on each course and over

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<v Speaker 1>the course of what and what's your season?

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<v Speaker 2>Like we always we always joked that we always call

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<v Speaker 2>it the factory. Its place is just the factory, man,

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<v Speaker 2>because people are just rolling. They love their golf carts

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<v Speaker 2>and they love just going. And we've had seasons upwards

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<v Speaker 2>of fifty five thousand rounds on the two courses, which

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<v Speaker 2>is insane you think about it. But that was a

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<v Speaker 2>season where we actually got we got going in March, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was a long fall we got. They played

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<v Speaker 2>all the way till into November that year. Okay. It's

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<v Speaker 2>usually right around forty five or so in the two courses,

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<v Speaker 2>which is still a lot. Majority of that play now

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<v Speaker 2>is on the Gray Walls Course, okay, just because we

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<v Speaker 2>get a lot of outside play and so a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the out of towners obviously they come up here

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<v Speaker 2>to play the Gray Walls course, and and so it's

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<v Speaker 2>just not as much on the Heritage, but we still

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<v Speaker 2>do get a lot of rounds on the Heritage it

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<v Speaker 2>seems like every year. It kind of we're kind of

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<v Speaker 2>keeps building with that.

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<v Speaker 1>With that volume in the short season, you don't have

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of time, you know, you can't afford a

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<v Speaker 1>one week shut down to do a project. So like

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<v Speaker 1>like you illuminated too, you don't have a huge budget here, No,

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<v Speaker 1>not a big staff. You've got a small staff. How

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<v Speaker 1>what are the ways that you've been kind of thrifty, innovative,

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<v Speaker 1>creative and getting stuff done?

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so we have our total budget is right

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<v Speaker 2>around seven hundred for thirty six holes. Okay, not a lot,

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<v Speaker 2>And if you play this place, you'd think no way,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, because it's I got a great crew and

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<v Speaker 2>we're able to We're able to get a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>stuff accomplished with with not a lot our shoulder seasons

0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.560
<v Speaker 2>some years they don't exist, okay, And that's when clubs

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<v Speaker 2>do work on golf courses in the shoulder seasons, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's some years we just mow mosters. We just don't

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<v Speaker 2>have it. So that's why we can't do a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of that stuff. You know, when the snow melts, they

0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:24.080
<v Speaker 2>literally want the golf course open within a day or two. Okay,

0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:26.399
<v Speaker 2>So we are grinding it to get it open for him,

0:17:26.400 --> 0:17:28.520
<v Speaker 2>because we understand because we want to golf too, and

0:17:28.560 --> 0:17:30.400
<v Speaker 2>we all love golf too, and we want to see

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<v Speaker 2>it right behind them. So we're gonna get it done

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<v Speaker 2>for him. And and then the same thing in the fall.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they want to play right up to till

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<v Speaker 2>when when when the snowflies. So so that's why a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of that stuff can't can't get done. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>like saying the shortest seasons. We don't want to disrupt

0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:48.959
<v Speaker 2>their season either with a lot of projects. So so

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<v Speaker 2>the treework on the heritage course that we that we

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to get done, we decided to do that this

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<v Speaker 2>past winter. Okay, Well, how are we gonna pay for it? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Because the stuff in the Heritage course was all handwork,

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<v Speaker 2>and so now you know spinding, like, how can we

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<v Speaker 2>make this work? How can we make this work? So

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<v Speaker 2>we had some lumber, some lumbered acreage over here in

0:18:07.280 --> 0:18:09.520
<v Speaker 2>the Gray Walls course okay, And we were able to

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<v Speaker 2>get a logger in and they were able to do

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<v Speaker 2>a select cut through these areas okay, And we were

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<v Speaker 2>able to make some coin on the on the lumber,

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<v Speaker 2>which was awesome. So now we were able to take

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<v Speaker 2>that those moneyes those dollars and pay for the work,

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<v Speaker 2>the handwork, the head to get done on the heritage course.

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<v Speaker 2>And so it worked out. So that was one creative

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<v Speaker 2>way that we were able to get get some treework

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<v Speaker 2>done in the wintertime, which I'm telling you right now

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<v Speaker 2>it wasn't easy. Trying to keep an ice rode open

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of a golf course up here in

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<v Speaker 2>the wintertime was not easy. Is trying my patience. But

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<v Speaker 2>we we I knew the importance of it. So we

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<v Speaker 2>we beer downing and got her on that first location

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<v Speaker 2>that we worked on.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's an interesting thing where you're kind of restoring

0:18:48.359 --> 0:18:51.800
<v Speaker 1>a classic nine holes. Yeah, and you're working on this

0:18:51.880 --> 0:18:54.840
<v Speaker 1>restoration work, but then you've also got this modern golf

0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:59.160
<v Speaker 1>course where you're constantly you're trying to mature it. And

0:18:59.760 --> 0:19:01.960
<v Speaker 1>we played this morning. You said, this place keeps getting

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<v Speaker 1>better and better. What what type of things do you do?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you take a golf course? And we see

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<v Speaker 1>so many what happened to your nine hole Langford Moreau

0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:19.000
<v Speaker 1>where green shrink, it deteriorates after opening, and you see

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<v Speaker 1>it so many places like I played a place a

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<v Speaker 1>couple May last year, which hadn't been open that long,

0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.920
<v Speaker 1>and you're like, God, you already are seeing what you see.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, usually eighty years later you're starting to see

0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:35.679
<v Speaker 1>the first effects. So how do you keep a golf course?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, playing to the architects intent?

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<v Speaker 2>So I kind of have I kind of have the

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<v Speaker 2>advantage because I know Mike so well, okay, and just

0:19:47.000 --> 0:19:50.239
<v Speaker 2>building on the construction for two of his properties with him,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, so I kind of I know what kind

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<v Speaker 2>of what I know what Mike wants, okay, And we

0:19:54.040 --> 0:19:56.480
<v Speaker 2>talk a lot, okay about stuff, especially when it comes up.

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<v Speaker 2>We're constantly just talking about things on the golf course. Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So when you when you first when we first built

0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.439
<v Speaker 2>the place, you just don't know how everything is gonna

0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.080
<v Speaker 2>happen on the golf course, okay. You don't know exactly

0:20:09.119 --> 0:20:12.600
<v Speaker 2>how the ball is going to react okay in certain locations,

0:20:13.480 --> 0:20:15.560
<v Speaker 2>and you just have to watch. Okay. I play a

0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:16.760
<v Speaker 2>lot of golf, and I play got a lot of

0:20:16.760 --> 0:20:20.000
<v Speaker 2>golf for a reason. I'm I consider myself a surface manager. Okay.

0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.960
<v Speaker 2>We manage the surface for the game, okay, and that's

0:20:23.040 --> 0:20:25.600
<v Speaker 2>then that's my priority, okay. And to me, it's like

0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:27.320
<v Speaker 2>the best way I do that is actually play okay,

0:20:27.480 --> 0:20:30.240
<v Speaker 2>and watch people play and see where they end up okay,

0:20:30.280 --> 0:20:33.960
<v Speaker 2>and see some frustrations and can you alleviate those frustrations okay.

0:20:34.359 --> 0:20:36.760
<v Speaker 2>So on this on the Graywls property here, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of areas, some of the native areas okay, that

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<v Speaker 2>maybe grew in some locations that maybe we shouldn't have

0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:44.280
<v Speaker 2>had it okay, So we made some adjustments there okay.

0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:46.560
<v Speaker 2>Or maybe we want it there, but it's just not

0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:48.720
<v Speaker 2>growing the way we want it, okay. So we go

0:20:48.760 --> 0:20:50.239
<v Speaker 2>in and we manage it differently. We do a lot

0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:52.560
<v Speaker 2>of flail mowing and cutting just to kind of knock

0:20:52.600 --> 0:20:55.119
<v Speaker 2>it back. So if your ball does go in there, boom,

0:20:55.119 --> 0:20:56.320
<v Speaker 2>you see it, you can go in there, get some

0:20:56.359 --> 0:20:58.400
<v Speaker 2>iron on it, get it out, move on. You're still

0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:00.679
<v Speaker 2>happy okay. And you're not in there, you know, on

0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:02.840
<v Speaker 2>your hands and knees trying to find it okay. So

0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:06.639
<v Speaker 2>we're always trying to look at those areas okay. And

0:21:06.680 --> 0:21:09.840
<v Speaker 2>then the other part is trying to keep the forest back. Okay.

0:21:10.119 --> 0:21:12.719
<v Speaker 2>That's you want to keep these you want to keep

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<v Speaker 2>these corridors open, okay. That the original quarters that Mike

0:21:16.960 --> 0:21:18.760
<v Speaker 2>opened up for the golf course. And if you don't

0:21:18.760 --> 0:21:21.840
<v Speaker 2>do anything, the saplings are going to grow in. Saplings

0:21:21.840 --> 0:21:24.720
<v Speaker 2>turn into trees. You know, trees turn into a lousy

0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:28.399
<v Speaker 2>golf course. So it's it's constantly fighting that back and

0:21:28.720 --> 0:21:31.479
<v Speaker 2>managing those locations and keeping it open so people can

0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:34.000
<v Speaker 2>see those rock features and can see that with you know,

0:21:34.680 --> 0:21:36.399
<v Speaker 2>on the golf course and have that to work with.

0:21:37.320 --> 0:21:40.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I imagine with like a forest, it's a living thing.

0:21:40.600 --> 0:21:43.960
<v Speaker 1>So if you say, if you had to estimate, I

0:21:44.359 --> 0:21:47.320
<v Speaker 1>never thought about this before, but if you just don't

0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:50.000
<v Speaker 1>do anything, how much do you think a forest would

0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:53.440
<v Speaker 1>encroach on a yearly basis, like a number of feet?

0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:57.040
<v Speaker 1>Like I've talked to superintendents in the South that say,

0:21:57.119 --> 0:21:59.159
<v Speaker 1>you know the Bermuda greens. If you don't, you know,

0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:02.399
<v Speaker 1>there's a natural creep that are shrinking the greens. But

0:22:02.520 --> 0:22:05.159
<v Speaker 1>like with a with a with a forest, would you

0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:07.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, would you lose a couple of feet every

0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:07.920
<v Speaker 1>every year?

0:22:08.119 --> 0:22:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Maybe more? Yeah, you don't even realize it is amazing.

0:22:11.359 --> 0:22:12.960
<v Speaker 2>A lot of photos. I'd look back at a lot

0:22:12.960 --> 0:22:14.840
<v Speaker 2>of my pictures and kind of see where the lines

0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:16.760
<v Speaker 2>are and see, Okay, well, we got to get back

0:22:16.800 --> 0:22:18.439
<v Speaker 2>to that line. Okay, we might have lost them. It

0:22:18.520 --> 0:22:20.359
<v Speaker 2>had some sapling growth in there, and so we got

0:22:20.400 --> 0:22:22.880
<v Speaker 2>to get back to that line just to keep that,

0:22:23.400 --> 0:22:24.159
<v Speaker 2>keep that in place.

0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what's you You talked a little bit about uh

0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:35.040
<v Speaker 1>doing making a change to the golf course, Like is

0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:37.040
<v Speaker 1>there a specific one that comes to mind like that

0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:40.919
<v Speaker 1>after watching people play or playing yourself or you know,

0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:43.000
<v Speaker 1>you got three boys that all play, so you play

0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:44.160
<v Speaker 1>a ton with them. Yep.

0:22:44.760 --> 0:22:47.160
<v Speaker 2>Big one was the right of number one green. Okay,

0:22:47.280 --> 0:22:49.080
<v Speaker 2>there was a native area that kind of pushed up

0:22:49.080 --> 0:22:51.720
<v Speaker 2>on one green and that was a frustration points. If

0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:53.320
<v Speaker 2>you missed that green, it rolled in there. Now you're

0:22:53.359 --> 0:22:55.639
<v Speaker 2>hitting not only are you hitting on this trying to

0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:56.960
<v Speaker 2>lob it up there, but you got to hit on

0:22:57.040 --> 0:22:59.320
<v Speaker 2>this hay. So that that went by by, okay, And

0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:01.520
<v Speaker 2>that was a that was a big move, right A.

0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:04.160
<v Speaker 2>Number two was another really big one. You miss right

0:23:04.200 --> 0:23:07.399
<v Speaker 2>on that fairways kind of kick right into the natural area, okay,

0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:09.840
<v Speaker 2>and it was just two thack and too nasty. And

0:23:09.920 --> 0:23:13.359
<v Speaker 2>so we just had a completely you know, change the

0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:16.080
<v Speaker 2>way we managed that area and now it's much much

0:23:16.119 --> 0:23:18.159
<v Speaker 2>more playable. You just get in there whack your shadow.

0:23:18.240 --> 0:23:19.879
<v Speaker 2>You're still kind of penalized for hitting it right, but

0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:21.720
<v Speaker 2>there's you're not gonna have lost ball that you go

0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:23.639
<v Speaker 2>in the woods and and you can just get in

0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:27.320
<v Speaker 2>there and hit it out. So those are two big areas.

0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:31.440
<v Speaker 1>On the Marquette course. On the original the Langford you've

0:23:31.440 --> 0:23:34.000
<v Speaker 1>done a ton of tree removal, like you were alluding to.

0:23:34.160 --> 0:23:39.560
<v Speaker 1>And how how have you with membership fought you know, Oh,

0:23:39.600 --> 0:23:42.360
<v Speaker 1>you're taking out trees. You're making this easier, or you're

0:23:42.400 --> 0:23:46.160
<v Speaker 1>expanding the green there's more short grass, you're making this easier.

0:23:46.560 --> 0:23:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Has that been a struggle?

0:23:48.400 --> 0:23:51.520
<v Speaker 2>No, it really hasn't. There's there's some that kind of

0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:53.480
<v Speaker 2>ask what's going on and kind of question it, you know,

0:23:53.480 --> 0:23:55.560
<v Speaker 2>and they might think it might get easier until they

0:23:55.560 --> 0:23:57.680
<v Speaker 2>actually get out there and see it when it's all

0:23:57.840 --> 0:24:00.240
<v Speaker 2>when it's all done. Also, you got this gorgeous so

0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:02.480
<v Speaker 2>that you didn't even have before looking across from one

0:24:02.480 --> 0:24:05.520
<v Speaker 2>fair to the other and they're like whoa, whoa, Okay, okay.

0:24:06.200 --> 0:24:08.120
<v Speaker 2>And as far as the greens, no, I mean it's

0:24:08.160 --> 0:24:10.520
<v Speaker 2>they've pretty much embraced it now for the most part

0:24:10.560 --> 0:24:13.080
<v Speaker 2>that that this is really cool and this is the

0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:13.960
<v Speaker 2>way way it should be.

0:24:14.080 --> 0:24:17.880
<v Speaker 1>So I noticed the the greens played really on that

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:21.640
<v Speaker 1>on that golf course, they're really firm and and I'm

0:24:21.680 --> 0:24:25.080
<v Speaker 1>guessing that when you got here with the trees and

0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the shrunken greens, was it a softer fee.

0:24:29.840 --> 0:24:32.280
<v Speaker 2>It you know, I wouldn't say it was softer it was.

0:24:32.400 --> 0:24:35.240
<v Speaker 2>It's still played really firm back over there. We've always

0:24:35.280 --> 0:24:38.520
<v Speaker 2>had some uh, some water issues on this golf course.

0:24:38.520 --> 0:24:42.840
<v Speaker 2>They the water supply some years isn't adequate to keep

0:24:42.880 --> 0:24:45.119
<v Speaker 2>things nuclear green, which obviously we don't want to do,

0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:48.280
<v Speaker 2>but some places do. So they were never they never

0:24:48.320 --> 0:24:50.560
<v Speaker 2>had the ability to do that, okay, And so that

0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:53.520
<v Speaker 2>was actually a good thing because over time, you know,

0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:55.080
<v Speaker 2>they they'd run out of water in the summer, they

0:24:55.200 --> 0:24:56.600
<v Speaker 2>keep just enough to kind of get by with the

0:24:56.640 --> 0:24:59.440
<v Speaker 2>greens and teas and so things weren't you know, overly

0:24:59.800 --> 0:25:02.720
<v Speaker 2>over really done. So that was that was actually a

0:25:02.720 --> 0:25:03.080
<v Speaker 2>good thing.

0:25:03.320 --> 0:25:08.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what's what's been your process with getting reclaiming those greens,

0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:10.520
<v Speaker 1>because you've done a ton of it, and I think

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:13.520
<v Speaker 1>there's so many golf courses that fight this problem with

0:25:13.560 --> 0:25:16.400
<v Speaker 1>shrunk and greens, and what's worked really well for you?

0:25:16.800 --> 0:25:20.480
<v Speaker 1>What maybe that you've done hasn't worked that well.

0:25:20.800 --> 0:25:23.280
<v Speaker 2>So I had I had a backup mower that I

0:25:23.320 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 2>was able to dedicate to lowering these lonely these areas down, okay,

0:25:26.720 --> 0:25:28.000
<v Speaker 2>lowering the height down because they were at two and

0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:29.680
<v Speaker 2>a half inches, they were motor at rough height.

0:25:29.760 --> 0:25:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Okay. And also like what are we talking from, you know,

0:25:34.520 --> 0:25:37.000
<v Speaker 1>say ten years ago till now? How much? How much?

0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:40.280
<v Speaker 1>How much green surface are we talking about mowing out

0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:42.000
<v Speaker 1>that you were missing on a lot.

0:25:41.880 --> 0:25:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Of these Oh geez, probably some of them. You know,

0:25:43.800 --> 0:25:48.240
<v Speaker 2>if you had a let's say you had a five

0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:50.480
<v Speaker 2>thousand square foot green, you know, you might hit four

0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:53.480
<v Speaker 2>thousand square feet that was gone missing. It was rough

0:25:53.560 --> 0:25:55.680
<v Speaker 2>mode is rough and some of those big, big lank

0:25:55.720 --> 0:26:00.040
<v Speaker 2>for greens. So yeah, so there's a lot and so

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:02.840
<v Speaker 2>we took it at rough. I did a lot of airrifying, okay,

0:26:02.840 --> 0:26:05.879
<v Speaker 2>a lot arifying trying to get some of that thatch out,

0:26:06.000 --> 0:26:08.160
<v Speaker 2>and then a lot of vertical mowing okay, and then

0:26:08.200 --> 0:26:10.480
<v Speaker 2>slowly you was just bumping it down. And then every

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 2>time I erified, I'd introduce some some bank grass in

0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:14.920
<v Speaker 2>there as well to kind of get that growing, get

0:26:14.920 --> 0:26:18.240
<v Speaker 2>that going, okay, and then it was just slowly lowered

0:26:18.320 --> 0:26:22.639
<v Speaker 2>down a little extra fertility to keep it going. And

0:26:22.800 --> 0:26:25.760
<v Speaker 2>uh yeah, and it probably took about it takes about

0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:27.520
<v Speaker 2>a year, i'd say, to get it down to a

0:26:27.520 --> 0:26:30.120
<v Speaker 2>pro tpe where it looks pretty good. And then from

0:26:30.119 --> 0:26:32.800
<v Speaker 2>there it would take probably another good year to get

0:26:32.800 --> 0:26:36.000
<v Speaker 2>it down to Green's height where it looked good, played good. Yeah,

0:26:36.040 --> 0:26:37.199
<v Speaker 2>and the density was up where we.

0:26:37.200 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 1>Wanted, and then the bent started to take out.

0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:41.159
<v Speaker 2>And the band would take over. Yeah, And you can

0:26:41.200 --> 0:26:43.160
<v Speaker 2>see all those now you go out to twelve where

0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:45.479
<v Speaker 2>we reclaimed, you can just see the bent lines that

0:26:46.080 --> 0:26:47.760
<v Speaker 2>right on the edge of the collar from where I

0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:48.439
<v Speaker 2>stopped seating.

0:26:49.440 --> 0:26:52.639
<v Speaker 1>Yes, it's incredible how how much it's it's got, you know,

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:54.600
<v Speaker 1>and it looks really great because you can see the

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:57.320
<v Speaker 1>whole contours now. Yeah, and it's you know, there's so

0:26:57.359 --> 0:26:58.920
<v Speaker 1>many great pins that weren't.

0:26:58.800 --> 0:26:59.879
<v Speaker 2>There totally lost.

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:03.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's it's remarkable, Like especially you see it on

0:27:03.640 --> 0:27:06.440
<v Speaker 1>like you know, the back of twelve, you've got those

0:27:06.600 --> 0:27:10.879
<v Speaker 1>that you know, has it do you is there any

0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:14.080
<v Speaker 1>you know obviously like a big thing is irrigation always

0:27:14.119 --> 0:27:16.239
<v Speaker 1>and you said I saw on twelve, like you've got

0:27:16.280 --> 0:27:18.719
<v Speaker 1>the heads just in the green. It is what it is.

0:27:18.760 --> 0:27:19.439
<v Speaker 2>It is what it is.

0:27:19.600 --> 0:27:19.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:27:19.920 --> 0:27:21.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're not going to change that until we replace

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 2>the irrigation system. It doesn't matter at this point. You know,

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 2>it's not worth the club's money to go in there

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:31.040
<v Speaker 2>and move those when they when it's no big deal,

0:27:31.080 --> 0:27:32.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, not right now. You know, we'll get there

0:27:32.920 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 2>when we do one day, when the irrigation is replaced,

0:27:35.880 --> 0:27:37.880
<v Speaker 2>we'll move them to the edge. Yeah, but right now

0:27:37.920 --> 0:27:38.960
<v Speaker 2>it's it's not worth it.

0:27:39.200 --> 0:27:42.159
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, because I feel like so many people would would say, like,

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:44.320
<v Speaker 1>you know what, we shouldn't do that because then we'll

0:27:44.320 --> 0:27:47.080
<v Speaker 1>have this irrigation head. But it's like, you know, how

0:27:47.080 --> 0:27:48.600
<v Speaker 1>many golfers is that going to affect?

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:52.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Not many. In fact, every every round of played there,

0:27:52.680 --> 0:27:54.080
<v Speaker 2>which is a lot because my kids play out there

0:27:54.080 --> 0:27:57.120
<v Speaker 2>a lot, I can count on one hand that I've

0:27:57.119 --> 0:27:58.880
<v Speaker 2>actually just moved them all over just a little bit,

0:27:58.920 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 2>just to put around the head.

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Is that the local rule?

0:28:02.160 --> 0:28:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just move it over a little bit. It's no

0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:04.720
<v Speaker 2>big deal.

0:28:04.960 --> 0:28:09.840
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<v Speaker 1>back to Craig Moore. You know, it's interesting. We talked

0:29:25.400 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 1>a little bit about grass and how like the bent

0:29:27.520 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 1>takes over eventually. And one of the things I found

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:35.080
<v Speaker 1>most interesting at at gray Walls was when you were

0:29:35.080 --> 0:29:37.920
<v Speaker 1>talking about your guys' choice with the grass, and it's

0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 1>a it's a hybrid where you have you have fescue,

0:29:41.800 --> 0:29:46.240
<v Speaker 1>but ninety six what ninety eight percent of your rounds

0:29:46.280 --> 0:29:51.280
<v Speaker 1>or cart maybe more. It's walkable golf course. I would

0:29:51.360 --> 0:29:55.280
<v Speaker 1>recommend walking in, but you know, I thought I had it.

0:29:55.800 --> 0:29:58.000
<v Speaker 1>You feel like you get a workout in and it's

0:29:58.080 --> 0:29:59.360
<v Speaker 1>it's not that bad of a walk.

0:29:59.440 --> 0:30:02.560
<v Speaker 2>No tea green proximities right there, which for me, when

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 2>you're looking at a place to walk, as long as

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:06.320
<v Speaker 2>you have that, I'm fine. I'll climb a mountain, I

0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:08.239
<v Speaker 2>don't care. But as long as you know you got that,

0:30:08.360 --> 0:30:10.880
<v Speaker 2>you're not walking long distances between the two holes, that's

0:30:10.880 --> 0:30:14.080
<v Speaker 2>what gets me. Yeah, And and that's obviously when Mike

0:30:14.080 --> 0:30:16.480
<v Speaker 2>crowded the place, he wasn't gonna let that happen. So

0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 2>but you have to going back to the grasses on

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:21.840
<v Speaker 2>the fairway. So when we seated the Greywalls golf course,

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:24.560
<v Speaker 2>it was a mix of fine fascue and low o

0:30:24.640 --> 0:30:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Kentucky blue grass. Okay, thought process there is Okay, we

0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 2>know these people love their golf carts, they love cartballing, Okay,

0:30:32.000 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 2>and that's fine, that's cool. I mean, it's it's their course,

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 2>you know. So we had to come up with a

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:38.360
<v Speaker 2>grass situations.

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:39.920
<v Speaker 1>That rescue doesn't handle carts right.

0:30:40.040 --> 0:30:42.720
<v Speaker 2>No, no, not as well as other grass, not as

0:30:42.760 --> 0:30:44.280
<v Speaker 2>well as the bank grass wood or not as well

0:30:44.280 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 2>as like a blue grass wood. Okay, But we did

0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:48.080
<v Speaker 2>not want to go with bank grass fairways here because

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:52.360
<v Speaker 2>the cost of going the cost of chemicals, and the

0:30:52.440 --> 0:30:55.400
<v Speaker 2>the inputs it would need to keep it really really nice, Okay,

0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.080
<v Speaker 2>especially in the winter time up here with the snowbold

0:30:58.160 --> 0:30:59.560
<v Speaker 2>pressure that we get up here, that would be a

0:30:59.600 --> 0:31:04.160
<v Speaker 2>matrix bends to just spray those all those fairways. So

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:06.560
<v Speaker 2>going in, what can we do?

0:31:06.600 --> 0:31:06.840
<v Speaker 1>Okay?

0:31:06.840 --> 0:31:08.760
<v Speaker 2>So we started looking at all the antap trials and

0:31:08.760 --> 0:31:11.440
<v Speaker 2>looking at you know, all the data on the grasses.

0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:13.560
<v Speaker 2>So so we came up we wanted to go with

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:16.080
<v Speaker 2>a fine fast U for the low input situation. Okay, Well,

0:31:16.080 --> 0:31:18.320
<v Speaker 2>what can we add with it? Okay? Ryegrass doesn't do

0:31:18.360 --> 0:31:20.920
<v Speaker 2>well up here? Okay, So well, let's go the bluegrass,

0:31:20.920 --> 0:31:24.240
<v Speaker 2>which is awesome with traffic. Okay, So now you sit

0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 2>back and you look at look at the golf course.

0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:28.440
<v Speaker 2>You can sit back in the fairways, you can look

0:31:28.480 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 2>and you can see exactly where the high traffic areas

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:34.640
<v Speaker 2>are because that's where the lowo Kentucky blue dominates the stand. Okay,

0:31:35.080 --> 0:31:37.600
<v Speaker 2>all your larger open corridors where there's a lot of

0:31:37.640 --> 0:31:41.959
<v Speaker 2>room that that's where the fine fester dominates the stand okay.

0:31:42.120 --> 0:31:44.080
<v Speaker 2>And so it's really it's been really fun watching that

0:31:44.560 --> 0:31:47.920
<v Speaker 2>evolve from the beginning and see and it's doing exactly

0:31:47.920 --> 0:31:50.720
<v Speaker 2>what we wanted it to do. So it's performing perfectly.

0:31:51.400 --> 0:31:54.720
<v Speaker 1>It's amazing. And then like you've got your your cart

0:31:55.320 --> 0:31:58.520
<v Speaker 1>boundaries where they can't go around the greens and around

0:31:58.520 --> 0:32:01.720
<v Speaker 1>every green it's just pure fat everywhere. Yeah, it just

0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 1>reacts perfectly.

0:32:03.040 --> 0:32:05.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's so around the greens, you gotta high population

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 2>will find fascue. And then a lot of the bank

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:10.160
<v Speaker 2>grass bleed off that came off the greens. So combination.

0:32:10.720 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 1>So I've gotten some messages people people say like, ah,

0:32:15.480 --> 0:32:19.360
<v Speaker 1>courses like the greens just got me. What what do you?

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:22.200
<v Speaker 1>What is that a complaint that you hear a lot

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 1>with it with you know, I think one of the

0:32:25.160 --> 0:32:29.840
<v Speaker 1>things is understanding architecture is a huge benefit if you.

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:34.080
<v Speaker 2>Play here, right, huge benefit. You have to think, Okay,

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 2>people don't want to think. They want to play mindless

0:32:37.280 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 2>golf in between chugging a beer. Okay, that's not this place,

0:32:41.640 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 2>you got it. You gotta think, okay, and if you

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:46.880
<v Speaker 2>do that, that's fine, But don't get upset about the result. Okay.

0:32:47.120 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 2>You just have to really think about, you know, not

0:32:49.200 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 2>only the shot in the green, but maybe the shot

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:52.400
<v Speaker 2>before you where you want to be. You know, where

0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:54.400
<v Speaker 2>you're going to get that best angle to get in

0:32:54.720 --> 0:32:57.400
<v Speaker 2>and have an opportunity to get on the putting surface. Okay,

0:32:57.440 --> 0:32:59.600
<v Speaker 2>because there's a few that that'll they'll get you, you know,

0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:02.040
<v Speaker 2>one in fourteen or two perfect examples. I mean, if

0:33:02.040 --> 0:33:04.680
<v Speaker 2>you're if you don't execute that shot, I mean, you're

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 2>the bunker list greens too, bunker list greens, but they

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:10.160
<v Speaker 2>can get you. And those are two that probably hear

0:33:10.160 --> 0:33:10.760
<v Speaker 2>about the most.

0:33:10.920 --> 0:33:16.880
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's it's interesting, like playing today, perfect example

0:33:17.040 --> 0:33:20.400
<v Speaker 1>was too. It's on this back to her and you're

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:24.360
<v Speaker 1>hitting over a ravine to get to it, and from

0:33:24.400 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 1>the pharaoeh. I just hit it like twenty five yards

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:29.920
<v Speaker 1>left of the pen. It is magical and it almost

0:33:29.920 --> 0:33:33.360
<v Speaker 1>went in. And it's you don't even have to take

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>on the ravine that the greens sitting over over you

0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:39.680
<v Speaker 1>don't don't ever even have to, but you just I

0:33:39.720 --> 0:33:44.040
<v Speaker 1>think that's you have to look away so much. And

0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:47.280
<v Speaker 1>it's the same way at Kingsley, where you have to

0:33:47.320 --> 0:33:49.480
<v Speaker 1>aim a way to hit it close. A lot of times.

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, the direct the best approach might not be the

0:33:55.000 --> 0:33:57.560
<v Speaker 2>direct line to the pin. You know, you think about it,

0:33:57.560 --> 0:34:00.440
<v Speaker 2>and it's just it. It might not be so because

0:34:00.760 --> 0:34:03.920
<v Speaker 2>it's a very visually intimidate any place. Okay, both golf cours,

0:34:04.120 --> 0:34:06.719
<v Speaker 2>kings Leanne and grey Wolves are both visually intimidate. You

0:34:06.760 --> 0:34:10.759
<v Speaker 2>get over that, you'll that's step one, okay, and then

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:13.839
<v Speaker 2>step two is get creative, you know, get creative, look

0:34:13.840 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 2>at the landforms, okay, and maybe work with the land

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:18.759
<v Speaker 2>a little bit, you know, just don't try to tack

0:34:18.800 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 2>the pin.

0:34:19.560 --> 0:34:24.120
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. It's it's it's neat. It's such a cool place.

0:34:24.160 --> 0:34:26.040
<v Speaker 1>And I think like the more you play it, the

0:34:26.040 --> 0:34:28.120
<v Speaker 1>more you get it. That's the other thing is that

0:34:28.120 --> 0:34:31.799
<v Speaker 1>that first time around is it's like you can get

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:35.839
<v Speaker 1>sensory overload from all that's happening, the rock out croppings,

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 1>this unbelievable golf holes that you've never seen before, but understanding,

0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:47.400
<v Speaker 1>like if you will allow yourself to have this open

0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:52.080
<v Speaker 1>mind of like okay, maybe I should look five yards

0:34:52.120 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 1>left of a flag, yeah, and see, Okay, I could

0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:56.480
<v Speaker 1>play it over there and it's going to bank in.

0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:58.960
<v Speaker 1>But or if you're going around a second time, you'll

0:34:59.000 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 1>start to pick up on it.

0:35:00.120 --> 0:35:03.879
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And that's exactly what happened with with our membership too. Yeah.

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:06.680
<v Speaker 2>So our Women's Association, they first few years when after

0:35:06.719 --> 0:35:08.560
<v Speaker 2>grey Walls open, they still held their league on the

0:35:08.560 --> 0:35:11.480
<v Speaker 2>Heritage golf Course. Okay, after a couple of years of

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:14.279
<v Speaker 2>playing out here a little more, they're like, whoa, we

0:35:14.480 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 2>like that, Like that's what we want every league night,

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:19.160
<v Speaker 2>and so they move their league right over here. And

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:21.000
<v Speaker 2>so they play over here now and it's been and

0:35:21.040 --> 0:35:23.399
<v Speaker 2>they love it. It's wonderful. We get loads of women

0:35:23.440 --> 0:35:25.279
<v Speaker 2>that play out here and just have a fantastic time.

0:35:25.760 --> 0:35:29.799
<v Speaker 1>Oh, there's so many ways for for a low trajectory

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:33.160
<v Speaker 1>player to hit the ball close out here, Like every

0:35:33.200 --> 0:35:37.040
<v Speaker 1>pin's accessible if you understand where to play it and

0:35:37.600 --> 0:35:42.400
<v Speaker 1>use the contour. You never outside of six, the par

0:35:42.560 --> 0:35:45.439
<v Speaker 1>three up the hill, like that might be the only

0:35:45.480 --> 0:35:48.360
<v Speaker 1>shot you have to hit in the air. Yeah, you

0:35:48.400 --> 0:35:51.200
<v Speaker 1>know everything else you can run up on the ground.

0:35:50.960 --> 0:35:53.160
<v Speaker 2>You can play the ground. Yeah, so you got you

0:35:53.160 --> 0:35:56.799
<v Speaker 2>always have that. You've got that option. Okay, So there's

0:35:56.840 --> 0:35:58.880
<v Speaker 2>there's always, there's always the And that's the thing I

0:35:58.920 --> 0:36:02.440
<v Speaker 2>like about Mike and Mike's course hits, and I preach

0:36:02.480 --> 0:36:04.480
<v Speaker 2>just everybody, what makes the best golf course is a

0:36:04.480 --> 0:36:07.280
<v Speaker 2>golf course that provides lots of options. And the reason

0:36:07.280 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 2>being for me, is because that opens windows for all

0:36:11.040 --> 0:36:13.400
<v Speaker 2>the different kinds of golfers to enjoy that golf and

0:36:13.440 --> 0:36:15.560
<v Speaker 2>all the different kind of golf swings that are out there. Okay,

0:36:15.920 --> 0:36:17.439
<v Speaker 2>not everybody hits the same damn shot.

0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:17.799
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:20.279
<v Speaker 2>Some people play left right, some people play right to left.

0:36:20.520 --> 0:36:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Some people hit a low trajectory, some people hit a

0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:25.120
<v Speaker 2>high trajectory. Okay. And the fact that he can build

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:27.920
<v Speaker 2>these places that kind of cater to all the different

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:33.799
<v Speaker 2>shot options or shot to I guess the way they

0:36:33.880 --> 0:36:36.000
<v Speaker 2>hit the golf ball. You know, it's just it's amazing.

0:36:37.440 --> 0:36:41.440
<v Speaker 1>So you know, we're we're here to August. We're recording it.

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:45.319
<v Speaker 1>It's wonderful. It's like seventy five wonderful. Man, what's the

0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:48.960
<v Speaker 1>what's the idea if say we're you know, somebody in

0:36:49.000 --> 0:36:54.000
<v Speaker 1>the Midwest coming up here, and I think after spending time,

0:36:54.040 --> 0:36:56.200
<v Speaker 1>like I think, I'm gonna try and come up every

0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:59.520
<v Speaker 1>single summer the rest of my life or every year

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:05.520
<v Speaker 1>because it's a magical place. But what what is like

0:37:05.560 --> 0:37:09.520
<v Speaker 1>an ideal trip to to Marcatta or the up like

0:37:09.560 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 1>I should should it be just you know, golf? Like

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 1>what are the other things you should do?

0:37:15.200 --> 0:37:17.719
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so you come up here to play golf, which

0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:20.239
<v Speaker 2>I highly highly encourage everybody to come up and play

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:23.120
<v Speaker 2>because it's so cool. Don't just come up here to golf, though,

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:25.880
<v Speaker 2>absolutely do not just come up here to golf. Spend

0:37:25.880 --> 0:37:30.120
<v Speaker 2>some time. Munising's forty five minutes away. We have pictured rocks. Okay,

0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 2>the other side amusing. You've got Grand Murray and the

0:37:33.600 --> 0:37:36.799
<v Speaker 2>Grand's Apple Dunes, which are just mind blowing. It's two

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:38.960
<v Speaker 2>hundred foot drop of just sand down to Lake Superior

0:37:39.480 --> 0:37:42.160
<v Speaker 2>that you can you can walk down. It's crazy. The

0:37:42.160 --> 0:37:45.319
<v Speaker 2>waterfalls all over the place. There's little mini hikes all

0:37:45.360 --> 0:37:48.000
<v Speaker 2>around Marquette that you can just go on. You walk

0:37:48.040 --> 0:37:50.680
<v Speaker 2>up Sugar Loaf, you can walk up hogs Back, presqu

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Isle right here in the city park here Marquette is

0:37:53.760 --> 0:37:55.880
<v Speaker 2>mind blowing and you get out there and it's just

0:37:55.960 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 2>it's it's so beautiful. This little peninsula out in the lake.

0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:02.520
<v Speaker 2>It's got rock out crops that you can jump off

0:38:02.719 --> 0:38:05.160
<v Speaker 2>into lake. You can go swim, and there's there's there's

0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:09.480
<v Speaker 2>some rocky beaches or sandy beaches, and it's it's really neat. There's.

0:38:09.520 --> 0:38:11.719
<v Speaker 2>The other thing is is biking is huge up here.

0:38:12.040 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 2>So if you're into single track riding, you know, with

0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:18.600
<v Speaker 2>mountain bikes, you can ride the roads too. There's really

0:38:18.640 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 2>good trails for road biking. But the mountain biking up

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:24.200
<v Speaker 2>here insane. It is so good, so good.

0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:26.880
<v Speaker 1>And good breweries and good breweries.

0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Yes, shout out to Black Rocks or Doc.

0:38:29.920 --> 0:38:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.160
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, you can go down to Vierling they've been here

0:38:32.200 --> 0:38:34.440
<v Speaker 2>a little longer than the others and get a blueberry

0:38:34.440 --> 0:38:37.239
<v Speaker 2>beer if you want. The blueberries are locally grown here.

0:38:38.040 --> 0:38:41.320
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, it's great beer. Absolutely. It comes from great water.

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:42.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's Lake Superior.

0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:45.359
<v Speaker 1>That's what they say. Superior water, superior water.

0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:47.560
<v Speaker 2>Man's that's why it's superior beer.

0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:51.520
<v Speaker 1>I had never seen anything like like superior. My wife

0:38:51.560 --> 0:38:54.560
<v Speaker 1>and I pointed on a hike yesterday and it was unbelievable.

0:38:54.600 --> 0:38:56.520
<v Speaker 1>You get we got to this beach. We hiked, you know,

0:38:56.600 --> 0:38:59.160
<v Speaker 1>three miles to this beach and I mean, the clearest

0:38:59.200 --> 0:39:01.960
<v Speaker 1>water I've ever ever seen in the sandiest beach, no

0:39:02.120 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 1>rocks anywhere. Like we were talking, I was like, I mean,

0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:08.040
<v Speaker 1>do you remember and you know the Caribbean ever seeing

0:39:08.280 --> 0:39:11.000
<v Speaker 1>and she's like, no, nothing like this, Like it's it's

0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:12.439
<v Speaker 1>absolutely unbelievable.

0:39:12.520 --> 0:39:15.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we're so. You think about the whole shore of

0:39:15.320 --> 0:39:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Lake Superior and you think rock, Okay, rock, it's a

0:39:18.480 --> 0:39:21.120
<v Speaker 2>very rocky place because it's kind of engulfed in the

0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:25.759
<v Speaker 2>Canadian Shield. But here from Marquette Dimunising, we're blessed with

0:39:26.120 --> 0:39:29.800
<v Speaker 2>beautiful sand beaches and uh yeah, it's it's rare to

0:39:29.840 --> 0:39:31.080
<v Speaker 2>find then the rest of the shoreline.

0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:33.960
<v Speaker 1>So when when's the best time for golf if somebody's

0:39:33.960 --> 0:39:35.120
<v Speaker 1>coming to golf.

0:39:35.560 --> 0:39:39.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, all summer. Really it's a dynamite. June, July, August, September.

0:39:39.600 --> 0:39:43.600
<v Speaker 2>It is unreal to me. My favorite month is September,

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:46.279
<v Speaker 2>that's my favorite month up here. Got cooler nights. And

0:39:46.320 --> 0:39:49.200
<v Speaker 2>then you start getting into the color change with the trees,

0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:52.560
<v Speaker 2>and that's that adds a whole new element to this property.

0:39:52.800 --> 0:39:55.960
<v Speaker 2>When those leaves change. Holy cow, it's going from the

0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:57.840
<v Speaker 2>third week of September into you know, first couple of

0:39:57.840 --> 0:40:01.160
<v Speaker 2>weeks of October. It's just absolute beauty.

0:40:01.400 --> 0:40:06.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's a it's a special place. So we'll get

0:40:06.480 --> 0:40:08.600
<v Speaker 1>you out of here on the last one. You know,

0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:14.439
<v Speaker 1>Langford Moreau. When you get that fully like you've played

0:40:14.440 --> 0:40:17.160
<v Speaker 1>how many other you've played Lasnia.

0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Sonzaki, Iron River, and then just just reading everything about

0:40:20.719 --> 0:40:23.439
<v Speaker 2>you know, Langford Morrow and and and every picture.

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:27.000
<v Speaker 1>You got to talk about your discovery. Yeah, yeah, tell

0:40:27.080 --> 0:40:29.200
<v Speaker 1>us a little bit about it. So it's funny. I

0:40:29.960 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 1>was telling Craig. I was like, oh, I got this

0:40:31.680 --> 0:40:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Langford book, this really cool Langor book that somebody sent me. Uh,

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:37.799
<v Speaker 1>I gotta send it to you and and uh and

0:40:37.880 --> 0:40:39.800
<v Speaker 1>sure enough tell us about it.

0:40:39.920 --> 0:40:43.879
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so started getting the club really really into

0:40:44.120 --> 0:40:47.479
<v Speaker 2>uh Langford Moreau. The Green Committee, you know, really getting

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.480
<v Speaker 2>into it. And and one where Green Committee members John

0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.879
<v Speaker 2>Bordo came across this document that that Langford Moreau had

0:40:53.920 --> 0:40:57.440
<v Speaker 2>had or Langford wrote on a short short document like

0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 2>sixteen pages or something like that, and there was only

0:41:01.239 --> 0:41:03.560
<v Speaker 2>one copy of it, and it was down in the

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:07.000
<v Speaker 2>ms U archive, okay, down in Michigan State. Well it

0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:08.880
<v Speaker 2>was a really it was really rough shape and it

0:41:08.920 --> 0:41:10.520
<v Speaker 2>was like in a safe and they wouldn't let anybody

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 2>touch it. And at the time, my wife was PhD studing.

0:41:15.000 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 2>So then I'm mag I got I gotta I gotta

0:41:18.360 --> 0:41:20.640
<v Speaker 2>have that. I gotta see that. So she kind of

0:41:20.640 --> 0:41:21.200
<v Speaker 2>looked into it.

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:23.960
<v Speaker 1>And what was your wife saying saying to you when

0:41:23.960 --> 0:41:27.040
<v Speaker 1>you were trying to course her, Go guy, then this

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:27.640
<v Speaker 1>is safe.

0:41:27.680 --> 0:41:30.640
<v Speaker 2>She she thinks I'm a lunatic. Okay, she thinks I'm

0:41:30.680 --> 0:41:33.080
<v Speaker 2>looney because I talk about this stuff and that's like

0:41:33.160 --> 0:41:35.759
<v Speaker 2>what I do, Like I I can't stop, you know,

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:38.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm addicted to like continue to like reading it on

0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 2>the subject. And she thinks I'm nuts. And so you

0:41:43.760 --> 0:41:45.000
<v Speaker 2>got to get this for me, like I got to

0:41:45.000 --> 0:41:47.120
<v Speaker 2>see it, like John found it. It's down there. I

0:41:47.160 --> 0:41:49.120
<v Speaker 2>know you can get access to it. And so she

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 2>went and talked to the library and that was in

0:41:50.719 --> 0:41:52.720
<v Speaker 2>charge there, and they were like, no, no, we can't.

0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:54.480
<v Speaker 2>It's it's in too bad a shape. We can't we

0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:57.480
<v Speaker 2>can't touch that. And she's like, no, no, you don't understand.

0:41:57.520 --> 0:42:01.400
<v Speaker 2>My husband needs this. He keeps bugging me, like I

0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:04.520
<v Speaker 2>want to get this for him. So at the end

0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:06.239
<v Speaker 2>of the day she was able to convince them to

0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 2>pull it out and make photos copies of it. She

0:42:08.239 --> 0:42:09.799
<v Speaker 2>wasn't allowed to touch it. They could touch it, but

0:42:10.000 --> 0:42:12.600
<v Speaker 2>they made photo copies and she brought it back and

0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:14.200
<v Speaker 2>and I was like, oh god, just one of the

0:42:14.200 --> 0:42:16.320
<v Speaker 2>but Jillian Readons is why I love that woman, Okay,

0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:19.160
<v Speaker 2>And so she got she got it for me, and

0:42:19.160 --> 0:42:20.960
<v Speaker 2>so then yeah, I get mug at copy and then

0:42:20.960 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 2>we just started getting around and it's great. I mean,

0:42:22.719 --> 0:42:26.239
<v Speaker 2>it's awesome. I'm so glad that that people do have

0:42:26.280 --> 0:42:28.080
<v Speaker 2>copies of it and it's kind of going around and

0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:30.360
<v Speaker 2>people see it because there's not enough really knowing about

0:42:30.800 --> 0:42:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Langford Morrow. I mean, there's just not enough. There's not

0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:34.279
<v Speaker 2>as much talk. You know, it's you hear everything about

0:42:34.360 --> 0:42:38.280
<v Speaker 2>Ross and and Mackenzie and and you know Cold Nelson,

0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 2>and you know, you just don't hear as much about

0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:40.959
<v Speaker 2>Langford Morrow.

0:42:41.200 --> 0:42:43.279
<v Speaker 1>I think so much of it is where they did

0:42:43.320 --> 0:42:45.600
<v Speaker 1>their work, you know, so much of it. Like you know,

0:42:46.239 --> 0:42:47.880
<v Speaker 1>there aren't a lot of people that have been to

0:42:47.960 --> 0:42:50.239
<v Speaker 1>Marquette and you know, Losnias.

0:42:50.520 --> 0:42:53.160
<v Speaker 2>My little Sony is like in my top five. Absolutely.

0:42:53.200 --> 0:42:56.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this place is unbelievable, but it's remote. It's hard

0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:59.640
<v Speaker 1>to go get to. I was a guy I know,

0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 1>he was texting me who's like a very well traveled

0:43:02.880 --> 0:43:07.920
<v Speaker 1>uh architecture not you know, right stuff, And he was

0:43:07.960 --> 0:43:10.560
<v Speaker 1>texting me he was at Lostonia earlier this summer. He's like,

0:43:10.600 --> 0:43:14.759
<v Speaker 1>this splace is absolutely unbelievable. Yeah, and it's like that's

0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:15.839
<v Speaker 1>it's a scale.

0:43:15.600 --> 0:43:18.360
<v Speaker 2>The scale of that place. It's so massive and open,

0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:20.800
<v Speaker 2>and so you just see the vista across the golf

0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:22.680
<v Speaker 2>course and it's just like, oh my gosh.

0:43:22.920 --> 0:43:25.719
<v Speaker 1>And the greens there are amazing. But part of me

0:43:25.880 --> 0:43:28.600
<v Speaker 1>like looking at the greens that you have here, I

0:43:28.600 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 1>mean there they there are some better greens here than

0:43:31.280 --> 0:43:33.440
<v Speaker 1>they got at Lastonia.

0:43:33.280 --> 0:43:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But by the time I retire up here, I

0:43:36.719 --> 0:43:40.319
<v Speaker 2>hope to have it all back. Yeah, the Langford greens back.

0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:44.319
<v Speaker 1>So the Langford is intermixed in the course. Has there

0:43:44.320 --> 0:43:48.080
<v Speaker 1>ever been talk about about putting it back as a

0:43:48.120 --> 0:43:49.200
<v Speaker 1>standalone nine.

0:43:49.160 --> 0:43:51.680
<v Speaker 2>Just nine to nine. Yeah, I've talked about it. I've

0:43:51.719 --> 0:43:54.239
<v Speaker 2>never really pushed it, but I actually kind of made

0:43:54.280 --> 0:43:56.960
<v Speaker 2>a little scorecard one day on it and showed how

0:43:57.000 --> 0:44:01.000
<v Speaker 2>it could work. But yeah, it hasn't past that though.

0:44:01.600 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 1>It would be neat if they did that. It would

0:44:04.160 --> 0:44:07.120
<v Speaker 1>It's like, yeah, it's you know, that's the way it

0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:07.800
<v Speaker 1>was designed.

0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:10.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. Then that's why they played it for forty years.

0:44:10.800 --> 0:44:13.400
<v Speaker 1>And it's got a cadence and a flow and it walks.

0:44:13.760 --> 0:44:17.879
<v Speaker 1>That's that's something you start to think about, and it's

0:44:17.920 --> 0:44:21.600
<v Speaker 1>really evident. Here is like the idea of walking the property,

0:44:22.160 --> 0:44:25.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, where the routing's kind of naturally how you

0:44:25.280 --> 0:44:28.200
<v Speaker 1>walk a property and how you would go up like

0:44:28.440 --> 0:44:31.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, and and here's you know that it embodies

0:44:31.920 --> 0:44:34.560
<v Speaker 1>it well, like it would be the natural way you'd

0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:38.560
<v Speaker 1>walk that property. The Langford nine, Yeah, where you kind

0:44:38.560 --> 0:44:41.440
<v Speaker 1>of walk out and you'd be like, oh, then you

0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:43.800
<v Speaker 1>come and you kind of zig zag over towards the

0:44:43.840 --> 0:44:45.840
<v Speaker 1>other edge and it's interesting.

0:44:46.160 --> 0:44:48.959
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and even the one hole you kind of gotta

0:44:49.040 --> 0:44:50.960
<v Speaker 2>jet back just a little bit, but you just drop

0:44:51.000 --> 0:44:53.319
<v Speaker 2>your bag off halfway there, you know, because it's part three.

0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:55.640
<v Speaker 2>So hopefully you're on the green. You just grab your

0:44:55.640 --> 0:44:57.919
<v Speaker 2>butter walk up there and you kind of walk back.

0:44:57.960 --> 0:45:00.560
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, you know it flows really really well the

0:45:00.560 --> 0:45:01.239
<v Speaker 2>original ninth.

0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:03.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that'll be special and you get all the

0:45:03.760 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 1>greens back and yeah, it'll be a.

0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Little slow process. Up her baby steps up patience.

0:45:10.000 --> 0:45:12.120
<v Speaker 1>That's right, man, you got all winter to think about

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:15.040
<v Speaker 1>it and read more about it, and yeah, yeah, how

0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:17.279
<v Speaker 1>fired up are you when it like when the snow

0:45:17.400 --> 0:45:19.000
<v Speaker 1>melts in it? You got your first day?

0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:21.319
<v Speaker 2>Oh god, I'm so excited. Man, I just want to

0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:24.560
<v Speaker 2>like I just everybody says, oh, he's got a lot

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:26.920
<v Speaker 2>of pressure, get open. I'm like, there's the pressure I

0:45:26.920 --> 0:45:29.040
<v Speaker 2>get from them is nothing compared to when I'm putting

0:45:29.040 --> 0:45:31.000
<v Speaker 2>on myself to get this place open because I want

0:45:31.000 --> 0:45:33.239
<v Speaker 2>to see it. Man, let's go always go time. You know,

0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:35.680
<v Speaker 2>we got to get this stuff done. Let's he gets

0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:37.080
<v Speaker 2>gets placed cleaned up. Let's play.

0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:38.919
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. What kind of stuff do you do all winter?

0:45:39.560 --> 0:45:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, so all winter long, a lot of preparation. So

0:45:44.200 --> 0:45:48.279
<v Speaker 2>the equipment prep okay, because because when the snow does melt,

0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:50.239
<v Speaker 2>we get out there, I want everything ready. I don't

0:45:50.280 --> 0:45:52.440
<v Speaker 2>want to be working on equipment. It's I want it

0:45:52.480 --> 0:45:54.960
<v Speaker 2>done all of it. So we're our one hundred percent

0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:58.480
<v Speaker 2>focus is on the playing services, getting cleaned up, getting prepped,

0:45:58.560 --> 0:46:01.319
<v Speaker 2>getting ready for for golf. So that's a big part

0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:05.000
<v Speaker 2>of planning. Okay, we don't have a general manager at

0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:08.080
<v Speaker 2>the club. It's myself and and our head professional Mark Gilmore,

0:46:08.080 --> 0:46:12.200
<v Speaker 2>and our clubhouse manager Maggie, and there's an office manager Bev.

0:46:12.400 --> 0:46:14.320
<v Speaker 2>Between the four of us. I mean, we operate the

0:46:14.320 --> 0:46:16.480
<v Speaker 2>club for the for board of directors, and so we

0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:19.279
<v Speaker 2>have to do a lot of that obviously, that work

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:23.640
<v Speaker 2>that end and so budget, budget work, you know, planning work,

0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:26.759
<v Speaker 2>just setting everything up for the year because it's a

0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:28.880
<v Speaker 2>madhouse one of the years here. Okay, we don't have

0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:30.680
<v Speaker 2>time to mess out around a lot of that stuff.

0:46:30.680 --> 0:46:33.160
<v Speaker 2>So the planning is key going into the season and

0:46:33.200 --> 0:46:35.919
<v Speaker 2>having a dial. And then on the flip side, said,

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:39.200
<v Speaker 2>I have three boys. They're big into hockey, so I

0:46:39.239 --> 0:46:41.160
<v Speaker 2>spend a lot of time in a hockey rink in

0:46:41.160 --> 0:46:42.320
<v Speaker 2>the wintertime.

0:46:41.880 --> 0:46:44.520
<v Speaker 1>So it's a good place for hockey.

0:46:44.560 --> 0:46:46.520
<v Speaker 2>It is a good place for hockey. Snowshoeing too. I'm

0:46:46.520 --> 0:46:48.680
<v Speaker 2>a big snowshoes so and I snowshoe the property two

0:46:48.719 --> 0:46:50.439
<v Speaker 2>or three days a week. Just checking on it makes

0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:53.239
<v Speaker 2>things sure, things are good, checking for ice snow, you know,

0:46:53.320 --> 0:46:56.120
<v Speaker 2>digging down while I still can't. Then it builds up

0:46:56.200 --> 0:46:58.279
<v Speaker 2>until point where it's it's hard to dig down, can't

0:46:58.320 --> 0:46:59.480
<v Speaker 2>really get to the bottom of a.

0:46:59.719 --> 0:47:03.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, ice damage your biggest kind of fear on the

0:47:03.800 --> 0:47:04.360
<v Speaker 1>golf course.

0:47:04.520 --> 0:47:06.440
<v Speaker 2>It is it is, and that if and that will

0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:09.480
<v Speaker 2>occur if we get if we get a meltdown or

0:47:09.520 --> 0:47:12.440
<v Speaker 2>a rain event or something in December, that's when I worry, okay,

0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:14.759
<v Speaker 2>because then at that point it can take out a

0:47:14.760 --> 0:47:16.319
<v Speaker 2>lot of the a lot of the bank grass as well.

0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:18.040
<v Speaker 2>If we later on the year and we'll get some

0:47:18.080 --> 0:47:21.560
<v Speaker 2>ice that say we uh lately late season, I don't

0:47:21.600 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 2>worry about too much because it might just take out

0:47:23.000 --> 0:47:25.000
<v Speaker 2>some pole, which is fine. I'm good with that.

0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:27.920
<v Speaker 1>So what do you have to do? You cover your

0:47:27.960 --> 0:47:30.880
<v Speaker 1>greens or anything, or with sand.

0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:33.600
<v Speaker 2>I bury them in sand, bury them in sand and molrganite,

0:47:34.120 --> 0:47:36.240
<v Speaker 2>and the morganite helps them melt off in the spring.

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 2>It does really really well, kind of gets up in there.

0:47:38.840 --> 0:47:44.080
<v Speaker 2>So it's on human poop, yes, yeah, composted human waste.

0:47:44.600 --> 0:47:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Great product, great product.

0:47:46.960 --> 0:47:49.440
<v Speaker 1>I gotta get something from my own yard. You do. Yeah.

0:47:49.600 --> 0:47:52.200
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, it works wonderful for the homeowner.

0:47:52.280 --> 0:47:56.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, all right, So you gotta go. You got

0:47:56.160 --> 0:47:58.520
<v Speaker 1>you got your boys in a golf tournament today, so

0:47:58.760 --> 0:48:01.200
<v Speaker 1>we we gotta get cut you Lucy, you can go

0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:05.160
<v Speaker 1>wash and play. So thanks so much for coming on.

0:48:05.400 --> 0:48:07.920
<v Speaker 1>I hope a bunch of people come visit you in

0:48:08.000 --> 0:48:10.120
<v Speaker 1>the next few months and then next year.

0:48:10.360 --> 0:48:13.160
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, come on up. We welcome you with open arms

0:48:13.200 --> 0:48:14.359
<v Speaker 2>up here. You'll have a great time.

0:48:14.480 --> 0:48:14.560
<v Speaker 1>So