1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:04,160 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of 3 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 1: today's best minds. 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:10,320 Speaker 2: And this CBO, the. 5 00:00:10,360 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Non partisan Congressional Budget Office, says the Republican megabill. 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 2: Will now cost four point one trillion dollars due to 7 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:20,240 Speaker 2: higher borrowing costs. 8 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today, Know 9 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 1: your Enemy's own. 10 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 2: Sam Adler Bell stops by to talk to us. 11 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: About why Democrats attack their best messengers. Then we'll talk 12 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 1: to NDRC's John Visignano about Texas is an insane jerrymandering plan. 13 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,320 Speaker 3: But first the news Somali. 14 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 4: We keep tracking these ICE arrests. We read a report 15 00:00:45,080 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 4: on the last episode that it seems it's gotten through 16 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 4: Stephen Miller's skull as odd as it's shaped, that they 17 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 4: can't arrest three thousand immigrants a day, and the ICE 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 4: arrests are actually declining amid the backlash. 19 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:02,319 Speaker 1: So you'll be shocked to hear that. By the way, 20 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: there was photographs today of ICE agents carrying like little girl. 21 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, it was horrifor was yesterday, Yeah. 22 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, yesterday, She's like four eleven, carrying her down the street. 23 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,959 Speaker 1: They put her in a facility, in that Louisiana facility. Yeah, 24 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 1: let me tell you what's happening here. People are seeing 25 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,200 Speaker 1: these photographs and they are horrified, and they're seeing these 26 00:01:28,280 --> 00:01:31,199 Speaker 1: videos and they're horrified. They're seeing the kind of stuff 27 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: that pro Publica reported. I don't know if ESAs, but 28 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 1: pro Publica had this sort of amazing and deeply disturbing 29 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 1: reporting about all of the windows that ICE agents have 30 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 1: broken in people's cars in order to arrest them. And 31 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: you have these women crying, you have pregnant women crying, 32 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: children watching in horror. 33 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 2: I mean, this is this is pretty bleak stuff. And 34 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 2: guess what what, voters don't like it. 35 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 4: I know they don't. You know, ICE was actually on 36 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 4: my block the day before yesterday. 37 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:08,040 Speaker 2: Ooh, what were they doing? 38 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 4: Well, you know, they were walking around making people scared. 39 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:14,320 Speaker 4: And what you saw is a lot of people being various, 40 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 4: made in people figuring out how they're going to get 41 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 4: in their way, and they had a nice hiring sign 42 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 4: on the side of the truck and it was deeply disturbing. 43 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 1: The average arrests it was twelve hundred daily arrests in June, 44 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: well short of what Stephen Miller's stated goal of three 45 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 1: thousand immigration arrests for day. 46 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 2: Here's one of those. 47 00:02:32,760 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: Things that Stephen Miller is about to find out there 48 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 1: aren't that many people to arrest. And also, this is 49 00:02:40,639 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: just going to I mean, it's going to derail the economy, 50 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,519 Speaker 1: but before it does, it's going to derail the administration. 51 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 4: And lots of it is in people's lives. 52 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 1: I think it's important to say, like morally reprehensible, politically 53 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: very stupid, and we're going to see this play out 54 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,519 Speaker 1: in a real way. I bet we're going to see 55 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,360 Speaker 1: a play out during this twenty twenty five election cycle too, 56 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: I really do. 57 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 2: We're seeing these town halls now. And I talked to. 58 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:11,359 Speaker 1: James Talarico, who is a Texas state legislator, or who 59 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 1: was a Texas state legislator. 60 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 2: And is now thinking about possibly running for. 61 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: The Senate, and he was talking about just how much 62 00:03:19,080 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: this world like people are really mad, Like he had 63 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 1: a town hall and he said that he had never 64 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: had so many people at his town hall, Like I 65 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: think we in the mainstream media may be missing this 66 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: story of these furious, furious, furious voters. 67 00:03:35,520 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 3: And I saw it when I was on. 68 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: My book tour talk about being a coastal elitist here, 69 00:03:41,200 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: but I did. 70 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: I saw people really mad. 71 00:03:43,320 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: And I think, you know, when we see this poor 72 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: polling for Democrats, it's not and we've talked about this before, 73 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,680 Speaker 1: but I think it's important to just reiterate it. It's 74 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,440 Speaker 1: not that Democrats have lost interest in other Democrats. It's 75 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: that Democrats feel that their party is not as mad 76 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: as they are. And I think that is the real 77 00:04:02,800 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: That's what explains those numbers. 78 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 3: Yeah. 79 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 4: Really, what you could see is you can contrust two 80 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:11,040 Speaker 4: types of polls. Democratic policy is good, the elected officials 81 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 4: were bringing to fight for them. 82 00:04:12,880 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: Not popular, Yeah, not popular because they're not doing what 83 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: their voters want them to. 84 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,600 Speaker 4: That's correct. So one of the things I'm really obsessed 85 00:04:22,600 --> 00:04:26,040 Speaker 4: with is this Project twenty twenty five tracker. So we're 86 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 4: a little over six months into this Trump administration, meaning 87 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:32,680 Speaker 4: one eighth of the way through it, Dear God help us, 88 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 4: and Project twenty twenty five is already forty seven percent complete. 89 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of this stuff they wanted to do 90 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: in Project twenty twenty. 91 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 2: Five they are clearly doing right. 92 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 1: The attacks on institutions that making the DOJ and arm 93 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 1: of the Trump administration. There were a lot of opportunities 94 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: that the folks at the Heritage Foundation were able to 95 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 1: put it together to find, So I think this is 96 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: probably pretty accurate. I would say that it's just we're 97 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 1: just going to have. 98 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:07,159 Speaker 2: To do a lot of a lot of soul searching. 99 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:11,520 Speaker 1: And a lot of regulation, and a lot of connecting 100 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: with each other and with voters, and we're going to 101 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 1: have to really start a kind of now, you know, reconciliation, 102 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: a kind of return to American normalcy, and it's going 103 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: to be a long process. 104 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: But yes, it's here. We see it happening right now, 105 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:32,680 Speaker 2: and it's bad. 106 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:33,480 Speaker 5: Yeah. 107 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,159 Speaker 4: Speaking of that, there is a new poll that says 108 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 4: most US adults are stressed by grocery costs. I noticed 109 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,160 Speaker 4: my local grocery store just three weeks ago announced that 110 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:46,600 Speaker 4: they have heard their consumers and they are doing everything 111 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 4: they can to find the ways they could cut costs 112 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 4: at the store because they see how enormously costs of skyrocketed. 113 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 2: No groceries are really expected. 114 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: I go to a grocery store and I'm like, huh, 115 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: it's shockingly expensive. And part of that is inflation. And 116 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,479 Speaker 1: part of that is inflation, and by the way. I 117 00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: was told that Donald Trump was going to bring the 118 00:06:06,680 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: price of groceries down on day one. 119 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 4: You know what day it is like one hundred and ninety. 120 00:06:12,040 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: Something, and the price of groceries they're not down, let 121 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: me tell you. 122 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 5: But I like that. 123 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 2: My favorite thing is he has it all. 124 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:24,679 Speaker 1: He's laser focused on bringing down the prices of things. 125 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:26,920 Speaker 4: That's why he's walking on the White House roof. 126 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 2: Boy, wait, he's walking on the White House roof. 127 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 4: Oh you haven't seen this. Everybody thinks it's a distraction 128 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 4: from Epstein. I actually think it's that he's losing his 129 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 4: shit with the de Bedsha. 130 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: My favorite thing is that he is laser focused on 131 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: putting the big banks in the process. The President accuses 132 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 1: both JP Morgan Chase and Bank of America of discrimination 133 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,520 Speaker 1: by refusing to take his personal business. 134 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: You know, when you are. 135 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: In a Banana republic, it's important that your monarch makes 136 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: lots of truly unhinged declarations, and this can be one 137 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: of them. He is going to direct regulators to penalize 138 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: anybody found who have dropped a client on political grounds, 139 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: including Donald J. 140 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 2: Trump. Incredible stuff, No notes. 141 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: Sam Adler Bell is the co host of the Know 142 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: Your Enemy Podcast. Welcome to Fast Politics, Sam Adler. 143 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 5: Bell, Hi, Molly, so happy to be here. 144 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 2: Here we are. 145 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: Another day in paradise or authoritarian tilt towards whatever is 146 00:07:30,600 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: happening here. Tell me what are the things that are 147 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: keeping you up at night? 148 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 6: Not out of fear, but out of just burning contempt. 149 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 6: This story, burning contempt, this story with firing the BLS 150 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 6: chief over the bad jobs numbers. I you know, it's 151 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,480 Speaker 6: like the thing with Trump is you're always going back 152 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 6: and forth between like, God, this is a really scary 153 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 6: situation and God, this contemptible fool who is a narcissist, 154 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 6: who like just shouldn't be anywhere near a single lever 155 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 6: of power. Like you can't have a president whose first 156 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 6: thought when they get a bad set of jobs numbers 157 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 6: is to shoot the messenger. And it's just it's just 158 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 6: so pathetic. I mean, I can see the ways in 159 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,840 Speaker 6: which it could be really bad. You know, right, people 160 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 6: stop trusting these numbers and they install you know whoever 161 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 6: they install after you know this interim director. 162 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 5: Mister wonderful, Yeah, mister wonderful. 163 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,360 Speaker 6: But even if they were just a person with perfect credentials, 164 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 6: people won't trust it. People on the left won't trust it, 165 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 6: and they and they have good reason that too, because 166 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 6: why do you get rid of the person if not 167 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 6: to install somebody who's going to fudge the numbers. And 168 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,200 Speaker 6: I just so I can see the path to it 169 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 6: being ruinous. But at the moment, I just find myself 170 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 6: being like, how can anybody think this is okay? How 171 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 6: can you just be like, Yeah, that's my guy up there. 172 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 6: When he gets bad news, he fires the person who 173 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 6: gives him bad news. 174 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 5: It's so pathetic. 175 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: I think you have really explained a fascinating phenomenon as 176 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 1: we round into a decade of dealing with Donald Trump, 177 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: which is it's scary, slash, it's stupid, and I feel like, 178 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: you know, the Venn diagram of like it's stupid, it's scary, 179 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: and they are like not quite a circle. So like 180 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:22,720 Speaker 1: the Rose Garden redo is just stupid, Like who could 181 00:09:22,840 --> 00:09:27,320 Speaker 1: you know? I mean, obviously whatever, there's some historical president 182 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: for the Rose Garden, but it's largely just you know, 183 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 1: but Bureau of Labor Statistics trying to redistrict your way 184 00:09:36,200 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: into not losing the majority in the House. That kind 185 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 1: of thing is actually quite scary. 186 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,640 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, stupid and scary, that's the mix. 187 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 6: That's the Trumpian stew at all times. And yeah, it 188 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 6: can be hard to know just how to calibrate your 189 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:59,600 Speaker 6: own reactions sometimes. But I'm pretty I'm pretty I'm pretty 190 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 6: fired up lately. 191 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 2: Really tell us why? 192 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 5: Well? 193 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 6: I the other thing Matt and I in my podcast 194 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,079 Speaker 6: Know your Enemy we were talking about. 195 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 2: Explain, go on, you go ahead, now go. 196 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 6: Just the sheer scale of the corruption in this administration 197 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 6: has really started to get to me because I think 198 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:23,320 Speaker 6: it's the kind of story that's hard to keep in 199 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 6: your mind or kind of like it's it's just by 200 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,439 Speaker 6: its very nature, would become numb to it and our 201 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 6: standards change, you know. But Matt was just reading to 202 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 6: me from, you know, a story from several months ago 203 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:37,959 Speaker 6: about you know, the crypto people who you know, somebody 204 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 6: who invested twenty million dollars in Trump's personal crypto coin 205 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,120 Speaker 6: and therefore got to go, you know, to the meme coin. 206 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 6: Meme coin, right, Yeah, I mean we how can we? 207 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 6: That seems like, you know, an age ago, But it's 208 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 6: still the case that any anybody, any individual in the world, 209 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 6: any rich person, whether they're an agent of a foreign 210 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,679 Speaker 6: government government or not can give you know, fifty million 211 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:05,200 Speaker 6: dollars to Trump in secret for whatever reason. I mean 212 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 6: these and you know, the fluctuations in the stock market 213 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 6: that allow his cronies to you know, basically insider trade 214 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 6: on the tariff negotiations. Like this kind of stuff would 215 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:19,319 Speaker 6: have been the one big scandal in any other administration 216 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:21,200 Speaker 6: that we would have talked about for weeks and weeks 217 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:24,600 Speaker 6: and weeks. But I find myself just being mostly disgusted 218 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:27,080 Speaker 6: by the fact that this administration is just like one 219 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 6: giant machine for Mafio, so you know, rackets, basically making 220 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 6: money for people that he's friends with. 221 00:11:35,720 --> 00:11:39,560 Speaker 1: It feels like you get here by allowing members of 222 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 1: Congress to continue trading stocks, by not regulating technology, by 223 00:11:45,880 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: some of the feelings, and you know, I think I 224 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: have old children because I had them when I was 225 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: very young, like a tea smarter, just kidding, not a teenager, 226 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 1: but pretty young. And they say I'm an neoliberal because 227 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: that is the biggest insult they can think of, except 228 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: my other kid, who's like, you're a communist, which again okay, 229 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 1: but but there are feelings of neoliberals that got you 230 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: like and you know, the sort of the sort of go. 231 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 2: Along to get along and the and. 232 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: I also think like trying to sort of emulate Reagan 233 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: in the yeah It's section to thirty. 234 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:29,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, can we talk about that? 235 00:12:29,760 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 5: Yeah? 236 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 6: Well, I mean I think that's true because I have 237 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,520 Speaker 6: this thought sometime about like how do we get back 238 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 6: from this era where huge parts of the voting populace 239 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 6: thinks it's fine for the for the president to basically 240 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 6: make the presidency a personal project of his own wealth 241 00:12:48,440 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 6: creation and his family's own wealth. Like it's it's disturbing 242 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:53,800 Speaker 6: that he does that. It's even more disturbing that it 243 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 6: doesn't seem to be a problem. 244 00:12:55,440 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: Is it the partisanship that has Like is it not 245 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: a part is it? Is it not a problem for 246 00:13:01,080 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 1: them because it's their team? 247 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 2: I mean, is that why? 248 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 5: I think largely? 249 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 6: But what I what I what I think about in 250 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 6: terms of your your question about like how we got here? 251 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 6: Is that I think in order for if there's ever 252 00:13:13,840 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 6: if a left party, say the Democrats, probably the Democrats 253 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 6: ever becomes a kind of like, you know, the kind 254 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 6: of cultural hegemonic leader in this country, it would be 255 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 6: because they've been able to credibly you know, point out 256 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 6: that it's wrong, evil, anti democratic for the Republicans to 257 00:13:35,520 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 6: just use the machinery of government to make money for 258 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,079 Speaker 6: themselves at all times. And the reason that that doesn't 259 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 6: really happen, or it hasn't really happened, or that isn't 260 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 6: a winning issue for the Democrats, I think, is because 261 00:13:45,600 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 6: they aren't credible on that issue, exactly for the reasons 262 00:13:48,800 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 6: you're saying, because of insider trading, because of you know, 263 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 6: just like that that that has the kind of populist, 264 00:13:56,240 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 6: anti plutocratic message has been a minority voice in the 265 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 6: party and in fact, you know, to kind of talk 266 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 6: out of my own lefty book here, I mean, the 267 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 6: one person who everybody agrees is credible on this issue, 268 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:13,200 Speaker 6: Bernie Sanders. Every time he got close to power, the 269 00:14:13,200 --> 00:14:17,400 Speaker 6: Democrats did everything in their power to prevent him from becoming, 270 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 6: you know, the leader of the party. 271 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 5: I mean, not for nothing. 272 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 6: And I hate to be like this kind of prototypical 273 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 6: millennial leftist and my feelings about this, but Bernie Sanders 274 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:29,360 Speaker 6: is the most popular senator in America. 275 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 5: And why is that? 276 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 6: And he's including with independence, including with Republicans. 277 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:33,800 Speaker 5: Why is that? 278 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 6: Because he does represent this other side of the coin, 279 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 6: which is when Bernie Sanders says, I'm disgusted by you know, 280 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 6: democrats making money from the stock market, just as I 281 00:14:43,880 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 6: am about Republicans. I'm disgusted by Donald Trump using you know, 282 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 6: the office of the presidency to extremely increase his wealth. 283 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,200 Speaker 6: You know, he seems credible, He really seems like he 284 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,720 Speaker 6: hates it, and he's not himself some kind of secret 285 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 6: rich guy. 286 00:14:58,440 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 5: The thing about Bernie. 287 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 6: Sanders, he's not the only one, but he is the 288 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 6: kind of prototypical figure who represents this credibility in his 289 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,560 Speaker 6: anti plutocratic message is anti oligarchy message, and he's been 290 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 6: on that message, you know, since twenty sixteen, and it's 291 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:17,080 Speaker 6: not a coincidence. I think the Democrats haven't been able 292 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 6: to adopt that message in a way that seems that's winning, 293 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 6: because they also have tried to marginalize Bernie, you know, 294 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 6: much less so than they did in Trump's first term. 295 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:29,960 Speaker 5: He's kind of on side now. 296 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:33,000 Speaker 6: But I just think in order for there to be 297 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 6: you know, in order for the Democrats to benefit from 298 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 6: the graft that this administration engages on a regular basis, 299 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 6: they need more figures who seem like they mean it 300 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 6: when they you know, as you know, Alex Koburn used 301 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 6: to say that their hate is pure, right. 302 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 1: Really, I think important and also true. I wonder though 303 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 1: it's so so what you're saying is something that I 304 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: actually spend a lot of time basically in my head. 305 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 2: I spent almost eighty percent. 306 00:16:06,440 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: Of my day worrying about all of this, right, I 307 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 1: just like, you know, what's going to happen to d 308 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: And it strikes me that Mondani has successfully channeled this 309 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: populism in a way that is both the populism is 310 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: a real thing, and he has gone to voters who 311 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:34,000 Speaker 1: are not the elites, who are the sort of because 312 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: like the mayoral ship is always decided not in Manhattan, 313 00:16:39,320 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: but really in the Bronx and Brooklyn, which are districts 314 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 1: that are not afful you know, they're a mix, right, 315 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: And so it strikes me that Mondani has managed to 316 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: transmit that to working people, the populist message. 317 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,640 Speaker 5: I think to a significant degree. 318 00:16:57,760 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 6: I mean, I also think it's true as much is 319 00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 6: I think it's tendentious the way that the right tries 320 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 6: to use it against him, that there is a huge 321 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 6: part of his coalition that is the kind of like 322 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,719 Speaker 6: downwardly mobile, professional middle class, the millennial socialist types. But 323 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 6: I don't really have the same contempt for those people 324 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 6: as people on the writer in the center of the 325 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:21,680 Speaker 6: party do because those are my friends. 326 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 1: But that's not a huge But that's not I mean, 327 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 1: unfortunately for all of us. That's not a huge group, right, Like, no, no, no, 328 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 1: A huge group are working people. Like, if you're going 329 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 1: to win a primary in New York as a mayor, 330 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,159 Speaker 1: you are getting voters that are working people from the 331 00:17:41,160 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: outer boroughs. 332 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 6: No, absolutely, I mean, I think I think you're totally 333 00:17:44,600 --> 00:17:50,160 Speaker 6: right about Mom Donnie and the great irony contradiction. I think, 334 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 6: you know, embarrassment for the leadership of the Democratic Party 335 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:59,040 Speaker 6: is that here's a candidate who ran on affordability, affordability, affordability. 336 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 6: If you look at his campaign website, there is basically 337 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 6: no single proposal that is not about lowering the cost 338 00:18:05,600 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 6: of living for New Yorkers, except for when people were 339 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 6: trying to goad him into talking about Israel. 340 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 5: He only talked about affordability. 341 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 6: He made that his whole project, and that was exactly 342 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 6: what the Democrats said was the reason they lost in 343 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 6: twenty twenty four. Yeah, because Trump credibly convinced people that 344 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:23,680 Speaker 6: he was going to lower prices he was going to make. 345 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 2: Because he said that the lower prices, yeah, I said it. 346 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 1: Yeah. 347 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 6: And so Mom, Donnie built his whole campaign around exactly 348 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 6: what the kind of Democratic post mortems said a Democratic 349 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 6: candidate should build their campaign around. And now look at 350 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 6: who has not endorsed the Democratic primary winner in New 351 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:45,160 Speaker 6: York City. Well, both the senators from New York, who 352 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 6: one of whom is. 353 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 5: The head of the Senate. 354 00:18:48,800 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 6: As well as this as well as the head of 355 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 6: the Democratic House Caucus, also from New York. 356 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 5: I find it. How are they going to I mean, 357 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 5: we know why they're not doing it. 358 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:01,400 Speaker 6: I think we can speculate, but I don't know how 359 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 6: they're going to go around saying, like, the huge problem 360 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 6: we have is that we can't appeal to working class 361 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 6: people and we don't have a credible message about affordability. 362 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 6: And then one when one candidate wins in a landslide 363 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 6: on that message, they don't endorse him. I mean it's 364 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:18,919 Speaker 6: absurd or expected. Absurd or expected. 365 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:23,800 Speaker 1: Jilli Brand really did cover herself in glory when she 366 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: came out and said that man Donnie was anti submitted 367 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 1: because what did she say he did nine to eleven. 368 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 2: I can't remember. 369 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 6: She almost I mean, I think she said that he 370 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,160 Speaker 6: had had used the word jahad or something like that. 371 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:42,879 Speaker 6: She she got mixed up because she she you know, 372 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 6: she wanted to talk about globalize the Intifada, which of 373 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 6: course also Mamdani doesn't sing. 374 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: Did not say, but he must disavow it despite not 375 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: saying it, he must. No. 376 00:19:52,720 --> 00:19:54,240 Speaker 5: I mean, it's. 377 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 6: It's a really bleak it's a really bleak thing. I 378 00:19:57,119 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 6: was talking to my podcast produce, Sir Jesse. 379 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 5: I also have one of those you. 380 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: Know that all podcast producers are named Jesse. 381 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 6: But he was he was saying something interesting, which is 382 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,879 Speaker 6: that it's the Democrats. You know, maybe the Democrats just 383 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 6: wish Mamdani was the same candidate without the position he's 384 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 6: staked out on the genocide in Gaza. 385 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 4: You know. 386 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 6: But the thing is, you can't get you can't you 387 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,719 Speaker 6: can't get that guy, that guy who has the credibility 388 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,960 Speaker 6: with young people that he does, that would be able 389 00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 6: to turn out all these disaffected young people if he 390 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 6: didn't have that message. I mean, the theory of the 391 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 6: case for Cuomo was that the older people were going 392 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:44,800 Speaker 6: to be so scandalized by his my in my opinion, 393 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 6: principled stand about Israel and it's brutal siege, that they 394 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:51,680 Speaker 6: were going to come out and he was going to 395 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 6: lose for that reason. But actually he won for that 396 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:57,879 Speaker 6: reason because he was able to mobilize a group of 397 00:20:57,920 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 6: Democratic voters or potential Democrat voters who wouldn't vote for 398 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 6: any candidate who didn't separate themselves from the party's position 399 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:05,919 Speaker 6: on that issue. 400 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 5: And so it's all part of the same package. 401 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: And I think that's a really, really, really important point 402 00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: because Mondannie actually didn't win among Jewish voters. Now there's 403 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,399 Speaker 1: an incredible tweet that has him not I don't know 404 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,640 Speaker 1: if you saw that tweet if you're very online. There 405 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: is a tweet where the where like Americans for Adams, 406 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: shows who won what, and it doesn't have Mondani having 407 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:35,879 Speaker 1: won Jewish voters, But he did, in fact win Jewish voters, 408 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: and he won this Jewish voter and he won it 409 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 1: because I believe that Nat and Yahoo's genie side of 410 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:48,040 Speaker 1: the Palestinian people is not reflective on the many good 411 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: Israelis who are just minding their own business like we 412 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: Americans are, and. 413 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 2: That quite a lot of them. 414 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: I don't know if he saw the cover of the 415 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: Wall Street Journal, the Rupert Murdoch owned Wall Street Journal 416 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: today had pictures of Israeli's protesting net Yahoo. And I 417 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: don't think that any of us want to see any 418 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: more children and women and men in palist On being 419 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: starved to death or shot by idea like, I don't 420 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 1: think that serves anyone. 421 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 6: No, I don't think so either. And I think that, 422 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:25,200 Speaker 6: I mean, we are seeing somewhat of a changing tide, 423 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 6: a damn breaking this week, it seems. I think within 424 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 6: Israel you have a figure like David Grossman, who's you know, 425 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 6: basically the biggest literary celebrity in the country, coming out 426 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,680 Speaker 6: and calling it a genocide. You have both the two 427 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,680 Speaker 6: top human rights organizations within Israel calling it a genocide. 428 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 6: And then in this country, like you said, I mean, 429 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 6: you see, you know Marjorie Taylor gu. 430 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:49,199 Speaker 5: Well, that's I think she. 431 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 6: I think she has your dog's politics a little bit 432 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 6: anti Zionist and anti Semitic, but it's true that she 433 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 6: she has been right about what she said. 434 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,200 Speaker 5: What she said has been true, which she said is true. 435 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:05,200 Speaker 6: That you can say that October seventh was a disaster 436 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 6: and awful atrocity. 437 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 5: And what Israel is doing now is a genocide. Marjorie 438 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 5: Taylor Voice of Reason. Marjorie Taylor Reason, Poice of Reason. 439 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: She gave My favorite part of Marjorie Taylor Green moral 440 00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: arbiterre is that she came to Congress onto or not. 441 00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 2: So this has really gone full circle here. 442 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 5: It's true, It's true. Yeah, everything Jewish space lasers. Right, Yeah, 443 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,800 Speaker 5: she is, I mean like anti she's I think she 444 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 5: very much probably is. And you know, but I do. 445 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,960 Speaker 6: I think that what you could say for Marjorie Taylor 446 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:50,440 Speaker 6: Green is that she does seem to be uh loyal 447 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 6: to the people who put her there. That I think 448 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 6: that the sort of Republican primary voters in her district 449 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,719 Speaker 6: who are, you know, effectively the people who put her 450 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 6: there workqan on people, are people who care about the 451 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 6: Epstein story and are people who have I think, in 452 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 6: principle in America first foreign policy view, which for which 453 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 6: to give them credit, it does not make sense that 454 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 6: our own foreign policy interests should be subordinated to a 455 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 6: foreign country, even if that country is Israel. And so 456 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 6: I think that's I think that's the stand that she's 457 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:29,760 Speaker 6: taking and yes, she's probably an anti Semite, but she's 458 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 6: also a. 459 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: Member anti Semite. 460 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,880 Speaker 5: Actually, I don't think she is. I don't think she is. 461 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:36,679 Speaker 4: She is. 462 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 6: We can have fun, but yeah, but I think that's true. 463 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 6: I mean that she is loyal to her constituents. In 464 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 6: so far as you know her, probably her most loudest 465 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 6: constituents are those who think that she shouldn't be in 466 00:24:49,359 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 6: there to just do whatever Trump tells her to do. 467 00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 5: Either she should be in there. 468 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:58,640 Speaker 6: To uncover the Epstein files, to stop the pedophile cabal, 469 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 6: and to actually make America, you know, America first and 470 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:04,920 Speaker 6: its foreign policy. 471 00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: And so, Sam Adler Bell, will you come back. 472 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 5: I'm waiting for the call from Marjorie's office. I'll take 473 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 5: a job anytime. 474 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 2: You'll be your speech writer. Can you imagine? 475 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 5: Would be great? Yeah, Like I know where all the 476 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 5: bodies are buried. You know, Jewish space lasers. 477 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 2: Wise, that's right, Jewish space lasers. 478 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: Thank you, Sam Adler Bell. 479 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 5: Thank you, Molli. This was fun as always. 480 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: John Bisionano is the president of the National Democratic Redistricting Committee. 481 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: Welcome too Fast Politics, John Bisiano. 482 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me, Mollie. 483 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 2: So Texas redistricting. Are you in Texas right now? 484 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:44,560 Speaker 3: No, I'm not. 485 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: Tell us where we are with the Texas redistricting. Start 486 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 1: from the beginning, one state, yeah. 487 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:53,360 Speaker 5: Go for this. 488 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 3: Let's start with the Alamo. Yeah, exactly. Really, I think 489 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,160 Speaker 3: the story of Texas, if you're going to look at 490 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 3: it from a full perspective, starts with the census after 491 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 3: twenty twenty. The census showed extreme growth in Texas, which 492 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 3: we all know now, and it showed but it showed 493 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 3: growth in the cities, and it showed growth with people 494 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 3: of color. And Texas then went and redrew the map, 495 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 3: dramatically decreasing the number of opportunity seats for people of color. 496 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:24,240 Speaker 3: So immediately there were concerns with Texas's jurymannered map even 497 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 3: after twenty twenty, and we filed litigation after that. We've 498 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 3: been in court for the past three years or five 499 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 3: years now over that map. And now it's very clear 500 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 3: that Donald Trump, and he said it this morning on 501 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 3: TV that he felt entitled to five more congressional districts 502 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 3: for Republicans in Texas. No veil of reality around what 503 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,840 Speaker 3: voters believe or care about. It's just simply partisan politics 504 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 3: for him and a hatchet job to the state. So 505 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 3: what we're now seeing in Texas is Donald Trump on 506 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 3: high handing down Governor Abbott a new map. Most of 507 00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,080 Speaker 3: the members sent, yeah. 508 00:26:58,960 --> 00:26:59,359 Speaker 2: She said. 509 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,480 Speaker 1: In fact, the direct quote is, we are entitled to 510 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: five more seats. 511 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 3: Yes, go on right. Entitlements. 512 00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,400 Speaker 2: Yes. In China they love entitled. Republicans love entitle. 513 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 3: I love them. So yeah. So now Governor Abbot has 514 00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 3: this map. Most even Republican members of the legislature in 515 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 3: Texas hadn't seen it. Many of the members of Congress, 516 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,399 Speaker 3: as I understand it, hadn't seen it. People are starting 517 00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 3: to get irritated, I imagine on the Republican side. And 518 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:27,239 Speaker 3: what we're now seeing happen is the legislature taking up 519 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,280 Speaker 3: this map, blind to their own realities or the people 520 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 3: of Texas, but only through the will of Donald Trump, 521 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 3: seemingly sitting around a room at the White House and 522 00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 3: telling people, Hey, I need to find more congressional seats. 523 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:41,720 Speaker 3: Where can we go? And so Department of Justice issued 524 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,280 Speaker 3: a directive to the state which is complete bogus legal language. 525 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,480 Speaker 1: And that was Alida Haba, everyone's favorite parking attorney. 526 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 3: Right for sure, and she very eloquently and legally wrote 527 00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,879 Speaker 3: a letter that made no sense and had no legal 528 00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 3: flegity to it, and then we found ourselves in the 529 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 3: place where we are now, where they are trying to 530 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 3: push through this map. They had public hearings for the 531 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 3: past two weeks in which people have been I think 532 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,400 Speaker 3: it's been two weeks, man, it feels like a decade, 533 00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,000 Speaker 3: but where people have been currently flooding those hearings, making 534 00:28:11,040 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 3: their voices heard that they do not want this to happen. 535 00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 3: And Texas is looking to implement this new map, which, 536 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 3: as I noted earlier, we've been in litigation over the 537 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,399 Speaker 3: prior Texas map. This is a jurymander on top of 538 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 3: the git. I was looking for five seats, but this 539 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 3: is like really set or more than that as you 540 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:29,479 Speaker 3: look at it from what a fair map would look like. 541 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 3: As I'm sure everyone knows now, the Texas state legislators 542 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 3: have left the state in protest over the reality that 543 00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:39,760 Speaker 3: they're being forced to take up this map as opposed 544 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 3: to focus on flood funding or any flood corrections. I mean, 545 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 3: that's something that I keep hearing is absurd with this. 546 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 1: Special session when it was brought in, when it was called, 547 00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 1: was it meant to be about flooding or I mean, 548 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: they used the pretext of the flooding, but was it 549 00:28:57,680 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 1: always meant to be Abbot pushing a new. 550 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 3: I don't know the answer, only because I'm not in 551 00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,400 Speaker 3: Greg Abbott's head. But only Greg Abbott could look at 552 00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 3: an absolutely catastrophic flood with hundreds found dead and say 553 00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:13,600 Speaker 3: this is an opportunity. So this horrific event is an 554 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 3: opportunity for political malfeasons and to try and force through 555 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 3: a jurymannered map. The part that's really horrifying about the 556 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 3: flood is, of course they're still trying to take up funding, which, 557 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 3: as I understand that Abbot could push through either way. 558 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: Right, he doesn't need a special session for the flood 559 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: for the flood funding. In fact, he's historically not done that. 560 00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 3: They're not doing things to fix future floods either, right 561 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 3: like that. People keep talking about the funding, right. 562 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 2: Their hearing has been all on redistricting. 563 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's been all about redistricting. And but they're 564 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 3: talking about even funding reparations for the flood, but no 565 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 3: one's talking about fixing situations so that there's not floods 566 00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,120 Speaker 3: in the future. They're just pretending it's never going to 567 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,840 Speaker 3: happen again, which is, you know, horrific. 568 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 1: Yes, So there's this whole pretext that it's about flooding. 569 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: It's not about flooding, it's about redistricting. I want to know, 570 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: and this is a question I've now asked a bunch 571 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:15,600 Speaker 1: of different everyone from Representative Kazar to Representative Crockett to 572 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: that Texas State Representative James Tellerco, which is, do the 573 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: people of Texas understand what is happening in their name? 574 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 2: Is this breaking through to the people of Texas? 575 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 3: I believe it is. I'd be interested obviously in their perspective. 576 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 3: They are closer to the ground as always than anyone else. 577 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 3: But the truth is, I do think people are trying 578 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,760 Speaker 3: to understand. You're seeing that in the hearings, the volume 579 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 3: of people I couldn't have even anticipated. And you know, 580 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:48,600 Speaker 3: at this point, I've been doing jury rendering work since 581 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,840 Speaker 3: basically this organization started after Barack Obama ag holder Nancy 582 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 3: Pelosi and Terry McColls started at twenty seventeen, so it's 583 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 3: been quite some time. And one of our original principles 584 00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 3: and driving factors was elevating the narrative around redistricting and jurymandering. 585 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 3: Maybe more people need to understand what this is. And 586 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 3: we've seen tremendous growth in many states where people understand 587 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 3: what it is more than they had before. It's still 588 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 3: wonky and hard, and I acknowledge that, but I think 589 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 3: what we're seeing right now in Texas is a dramatic 590 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 3: shift in the way that people perceive this process. And 591 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 3: I understand people look at Texas and see a red state, but. 592 00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 2: It's really not. I mean, that's what this is a response. 593 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 3: To, right right, That's why they're doing this. But the 594 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 3: important thing to remember, and as you look back at 595 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 3: that census data, and we now have more up to 596 00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 3: date census data from five years of growth, which Texas 597 00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:45,080 Speaker 3: is still growing rapidly. The places Texas is growing still 598 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,320 Speaker 3: are people of color and in urban areas. And so 599 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 3: Texas now is sixty percent minority, right, forty percent white, which. 600 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,920 Speaker 1: Are very scary for the white Republicans. 601 00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, not pleased. 602 00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 3: And that's just a truth. 603 00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:00,440 Speaker 5: Now. 604 00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 3: There's a lot of folks and Donald Trump, I think 605 00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,720 Speaker 3: is one of them that is living off this reality 606 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 3: of the twenty twenty four election cycle is what's going 607 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,719 Speaker 3: to happen in Texas to move forward, and frankly, if 608 00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 3: you look at Texas history, I think twenty twenty four 609 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 3: is a pre significant deviation from the way that you 610 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 3: look at political data. So they're drawing maps on with 611 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:23,000 Speaker 3: the vision that they understand and are going to continue 612 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,320 Speaker 3: to grow, specifically with Latino voters, and I think that's 613 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:27,400 Speaker 3: not reality. 614 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: I think this story is complicated to cover when you're 615 00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: on the side of democracy, as I am, because. 616 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:36,000 Speaker 2: There are two issues here. 617 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: The first is the issue of Donald Trump is cheating 618 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: because he's worried about accountability, and that needs to not 619 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: happen because of American democracy and we want to keep 620 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: this experiment going. The second is they may be wildly 621 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,480 Speaker 1: misreading what Americans are going to do in the midterms. 622 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 1: And if you jerry mander like this, it means you 623 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:04,800 Speaker 1: have lower margins for your safe seats, which means that 624 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: in the sixty to forty state you may end up 625 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 1: actually just screwing yourself. And I think that's a really 626 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: important part of the story that I want to talk about, 627 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: especially because Trump was able to make inroads with Latino voters, 628 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: and those Latino voters are now watching their friends and 629 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: neighbors and children and whatever get arrested by Ice. 630 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 3: Not for any reason other than being brown. 631 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: Right, And in fact, the Supreme Court is saying, if 632 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: you want to pick up a person who looks like 633 00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,880 Speaker 1: they might be Latino, you're fine with it. 634 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 2: So I would love you to talk us through that. 635 00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think we've already seen in the 636 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 3: past two months polling shifting. I mean, post the Ice 637 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 3: raids and the way in which Donald Trump's implementing his 638 00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 3: vision of America with regards to immigration, We're seeing the 639 00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 3: polling shift with Latinos across the country but also into 640 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 3: and so I think the way that you described it 641 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 3: is true. Now, I want to be honest about the 642 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:08,400 Speaker 3: map that we've seen them, that they've produced in the 643 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,160 Speaker 3: state legislature. There's a word called the dummy mander, which 644 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:13,400 Speaker 3: people call when you jurymander so far that you end 645 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 3: up having a blowback on yourself. It's basically what you're describing. 646 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 3: I'm not sure that the way that they drew this 647 00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,640 Speaker 3: map looks like that is open to that. But what 648 00:34:20,719 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 3: I do see happening in this map is a lot 649 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,120 Speaker 3: of the new Republican seats that this five in the 650 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 3: five window that they're describing. Not all of those are 651 00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,919 Speaker 3: going to be really safe seats. So there's a world 652 00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 3: in which they're not picking up as many seats as 653 00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,200 Speaker 3: they claim to be, or at least pretend they are 654 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:37,160 Speaker 3: in their minds, But. 655 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 2: It is ultimately cheating. 656 00:34:39,080 --> 00:34:42,239 Speaker 3: Yeah, And the real big picture of what you're talking 657 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 3: about now is the longer term game. And so what 658 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,759 Speaker 3: I'm describing is what I understand from political data immediately 659 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 3: for the twenty twenty six election cycle. But the way 660 00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 3: that they drew these maps, I don't know what it's 661 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:54,719 Speaker 3: going to look like in twenty twenty eight. With the 662 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 3: way that Texas is growing twenty thirty for sure, So 663 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 3: I do think they could be in an area the 664 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 3: dummy mander over time. 665 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,560 Speaker 1: Right, But it doesn't matter because if you give Trumpet 666 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:06,040 Speaker 1: blind check, who even knows that we'll have elections? I 667 00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: mean right, Yeah, The idea that there's a long term 668 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: proposition for this is overly optimistic. 669 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,200 Speaker 3: I think. I think that's right. But I do think 670 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 3: you are very right, and I appreciate you raising it 671 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,800 Speaker 3: because not enough people are talking about it that the 672 00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,600 Speaker 3: population shifts in Texas are happening very very rapidly. So 673 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:28,360 Speaker 3: the second prong to what you're describing is actually running 674 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 3: really strong campaigns in Texas and registering voters that hadn't 675 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 3: been historically voting. That could change everything. There's a huge 676 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,400 Speaker 3: population of people in Texas that don't vote. 677 00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 2: It's huge, right, it's fifty to fifty. 678 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, what you're looking at from a demographic perspective when 679 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 3: you're talking about elections in Texas is going to change dramatically, 680 00:35:46,719 --> 00:35:50,399 Speaker 3: and frankly, that starts with this process here, like more 681 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 3: people seeing this at understanding that their state is being 682 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,640 Speaker 3: taken over by an authoritarian government in Washington. Like no 683 00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,520 Speaker 3: one in Texas wanted this. It's been thrust upon them, frankly, 684 00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:02,560 Speaker 3: to preserve or a House of Representatives that is completely 685 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,800 Speaker 3: complicit and everything Trump's doing and doesn't want to do 686 00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,720 Speaker 3: oversight on anything. I understand he's scared of oversight in general. 687 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 3: I'm sure he's scared that some files will get released. 688 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,120 Speaker 3: There's a lot to be scared of out there. 689 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 1: What files could you mean? It's a mystery. I wonder 690 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:25,760 Speaker 1: if you could talk us through the possibility that there's 691 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:31,440 Speaker 1: other stuff happening in Texas at the state level with Paxton, 692 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,160 Speaker 1: the age there's just been a ton of fuckery there. 693 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:39,799 Speaker 1: Jesse wants to talk about New York redistricting in California redistricting, 694 00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,839 Speaker 1: but I actually don't because I think, fuck it, let 695 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: them do it. 696 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,799 Speaker 2: They have to do it. They have to play our ball. 697 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,359 Speaker 2: So that's what I used to say, is that, I mean. 698 00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:51,920 Speaker 1: If you have something you want to say, but I 699 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 1: think then God Governor Hokel and Governor Newsom are trying 700 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 1: to push back thoughts, questions, comments go. 701 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 3: Theater in general. You Holder, our founder and chairman, last 702 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 3: week put out a statement in which he was very 703 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 3: clear that he was comfortable with states for the first 704 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 3: time moving forward with measures that were reciprocal and temporary 705 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,120 Speaker 3: to make corrective changes because of what we're seeing in 706 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 3: Texas and frankly because of what we're seeing in other 707 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 3: states now. This morning there were any reports of Indiana 708 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,440 Speaker 3: contemplating this. Missouri has had reports of contemplating it. So 709 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:28,399 Speaker 3: we can't just blindly walk into an authoritarian regime with 710 00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 3: no recourse, and so watching and engaging in California and 711 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:35,800 Speaker 3: New York is one of the ways in which folks 712 00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 3: are engaging right now. And the one point I would 713 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 3: make that I've seen happen in the coverage over the 714 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 3: past week or so, there has been a pretty heavy 715 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,480 Speaker 3: dose of it's harder for Dems to jerrymander in these 716 00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:51,960 Speaker 3: states or redistrict in these states than Republicans. And that 717 00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 3: is true, that does not mean it's not going to happen. 718 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 3: And what I've seen in the past week is things 719 00:37:56,880 --> 00:38:00,120 Speaker 3: are getting very real, and I don't quite understand how 720 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 3: Republicans sitting in California and New York aren't melting down 721 00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:07,319 Speaker 3: and calling all of their friends in Texas, like these 722 00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:09,400 Speaker 3: are folks that were sitting in their comfy districts. They 723 00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:11,439 Speaker 3: had nothing to do with this. A couple of weeks ago, 724 00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 3: Donald Trump thrust them up on Texas, and now they're 725 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,000 Speaker 3: in the hot seat and they're about to get their 726 00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 3: seat and redrawn, and they're not gonna be coming back 727 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 3: to Congress because of what happened in a different state. 728 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 3: So it seems as though he's comfortable trading members in 729 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 3: Texas for members in other states, and I would imagine 730 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 3: that doesn't sit well with some of the folks in 731 00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 3: California and New York. 732 00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:31,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's game this out for a minute, because five 733 00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:36,399 Speaker 1: seats in California that could be gone, and Gavin wants 734 00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,480 Speaker 1: to do a special election. I am very happy to 735 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,919 Speaker 1: criticize my man, Gavin Newsom, but this strikes me as 736 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: really both he and Hokel. 737 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,239 Speaker 2: I have been shocked by the level of like with it. 738 00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:53,480 Speaker 1: And he is like a fighter, but Hokel often in 739 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,400 Speaker 1: my mind, is kind of a coward. 740 00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:56,960 Speaker 2: But this I thought was good. 741 00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,240 Speaker 3: I mean that in a very generous. 742 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 1: Way, obviously, but I've been really pleasantly surprised by both 743 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,160 Speaker 1: of them. So some we'll do a special election in 744 00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: November if anything like what we saw in that Mike 745 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:14,440 Speaker 1: Flood town hall where people who were hundreds of people. 746 00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:16,160 Speaker 2: Were yelling vote him out. 747 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: And again, I think like Nebraska is instructive in certain 748 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: ways because Nebraska is the state where Republicans tried to 749 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:28,520 Speaker 1: take away that one electoral vote in Nebraska's first Bacon 750 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,840 Speaker 1: has a has an electoral vote that tends to go blue, 751 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: and Republicans tried to take it away right before the 752 00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,680 Speaker 1: election in the hopes that it would help Trump. And 753 00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:41,440 Speaker 1: I do think like that kind of stuff. Like when 754 00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,360 Speaker 1: I was watching those that town hall this morning, I 755 00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:48,280 Speaker 1: had this thought, which was, like, there's like ten people 756 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,880 Speaker 1: in the mainstream media now right, Like it's the New 757 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: York Times in the Wall Street Journal, and then I 758 00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: buy the ft because I have nothing else to buy. 759 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: But like, we have no fucking clue what the rest 760 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:01,920 Speaker 1: of the kind of is feeling. And like it was 761 00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,279 Speaker 1: so clear to me watching that town hall just how 762 00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,719 Speaker 1: removed we in the mainstream media are from what the 763 00:40:08,760 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: fuck is going on on the street, because these people 764 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,440 Speaker 1: were so mad, and Republicans can tell themselves that this 765 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: is just like, you know, some kind of act blue cabal, 766 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: but they do that at their own peril because we're 767 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:24,520 Speaker 1: still going to have a midterm election cycle. 768 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's real. The AG's adjustment last week is an 769 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,480 Speaker 3: indicator of how serious I think things are. But what 770 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,680 Speaker 3: you're described, like, we've done pulling over years, right, and 771 00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 3: we've seen people always despise jurymandering. Redistricting's fine, they know 772 00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,920 Speaker 3: it has to happen, that's okay. The jurymandering component of it, 773 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,840 Speaker 3: people despise it like it's normally seventy to seventy five percent. 774 00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,480 Speaker 3: It always almost always comes back at that level. And 775 00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 3: I think Republicans now both feel extreme fear and frankly, 776 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:57,040 Speaker 3: the way that they're handling the Epstein files shows that 777 00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,719 Speaker 3: more complicit in some kind of cover up than just 778 00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:03,759 Speaker 3: the president. You know, It's like there's a lot of 779 00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 3: things that are happening here that they're becoming more and 780 00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 3: more scared is going to become public if there is 781 00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,160 Speaker 3: House scrutiny over any part of this administration's agenda. So 782 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 3: I understand that they're concerned that the American people might 783 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:19,240 Speaker 3: actually have a voice in the process that they are running. 784 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,560 Speaker 3: This redistricting and jurymandering component of it has really bubbled up. 785 00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 3: I think a lot of that anger because you can 786 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 3: feel it. Like I said, Republicans, they're not doing this 787 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,680 Speaker 3: for voters. They're not doing this even for Republican voters. 788 00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 3: No one's asking for this except for themselves. They're doing 789 00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:38,080 Speaker 3: this for a small cabal of congressional Republicans sitting in 790 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 3: the US House of Representatives to preserve themselves and maybe 791 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,120 Speaker 3: cut out some of their friends in places like California 792 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:44,680 Speaker 3: and New York. 793 00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right. 794 00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: It's striking to me how this could all blow back 795 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: on them. 796 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,040 Speaker 2: So if you're listening to this and you're furious, what 797 00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:53,640 Speaker 2: should you do? 798 00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 3: You should text action to three six seven eight seven, 799 00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,320 Speaker 3: Join our fight, try and engage. We can support engagements 800 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:05,200 Speaker 3: and new activism in places all across the country. So 801 00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:07,520 Speaker 3: join that we can get you plugged in. Will help 802 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,120 Speaker 3: make sure that everybody has a place to volunteer, have 803 00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,319 Speaker 3: your voice heard, and make sure that you know when 804 00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,759 Speaker 3: and where town halls are being held, but also when 805 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 3: and where redistricting is happening. 806 00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,239 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you, thank you, John, thank you, Molly. 807 00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:19,920 Speaker 3: Great to be. 808 00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 4: Here, No moment exactly, Jesse Cannon, my junk fast. So 809 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:33,120 Speaker 4: FEMA disasteroid could now depend on if a state's policy 810 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:37,640 Speaker 4: towards Israel is BDS or not. This is seeming like 811 00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,520 Speaker 4: when we talk about witness tests like the silliest one 812 00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 4: I've ever heard and ultimate poor performative moronics. 813 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:50,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is very, very very stupid. And here's why 814 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,920 Speaker 1: it's stupid. Okay, you ready, because what. 815 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. 816 00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:59,879 Speaker 1: I mean, if you pay taxes, you pay federal tax 817 00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:01,760 Speaker 1: is to pay for disaster aid. 818 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 2: I mean, this is so ridiculous. 819 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,280 Speaker 7: This is like another trumpy thing that he is cooked 820 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,160 Speaker 7: up as a way to make it so that you 821 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 7: can't get disaster right if you need it. US states 822 00:43:13,120 --> 00:43:16,400 Speaker 7: and cities that boycott Israeli companies will be denied federal 823 00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:19,240 Speaker 7: aid for natural disaster preparedness. 824 00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:22,879 Speaker 2: Stupid, my man is having a war with FEMA. He's 825 00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,440 Speaker 2: trying to take apart the federal government. This is ridiculous. 826 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:28,440 Speaker 2: It's ridiculous. 827 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 4: It's ridiculous, especially with you know, a state like South 828 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 4: Dakota is estimated to have less than a thousand Jews. 829 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:39,520 Speaker 1: It's trying to control state legislature, and it's stupid. 830 00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 2: Stupid, stupid, stupid. 831 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 5: That's it for. 832 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:49,960 Speaker 1: This episode of Fast Politics. Tune in every Monday, Wednesday, Thursday, 833 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,080 Speaker 1: and Saturday to hear the best minds and politics make 834 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,200 Speaker 1: sense of all this chaos. If you enjoy this podcast, 835 00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,000 Speaker 1: please send it to a friend and keep the conversation going. 836 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:03,600 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening.