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Speaker 1: your hosts Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans, and
Speaker 1: David Hellman. It's Thursday, March the tenth. That means it
Speaker 1: is once again time for another episode of the Draft Show. Hello,
Speaker 1: I am David Hellman, like the Big Voice guy said,
Speaker 1: I'm joined by Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeoman's
Speaker 1: coming in hot. Hey Kyle, how are you doing? Hey guys,
Speaker 1: how's it going? Forty nine days? Yeah, and I know
Speaker 1: that Kyle's usually our draft counter guy, but Adam Schefter
Speaker 1: tweeted yesterday that at fifty day that's why. That's the
Speaker 1: only reason why I knew that just give me chills,
Speaker 1: kind of like how I said when it was March
Speaker 1: at the Combine and Dane was sitting right there and
Speaker 1: he's like, I just had a chill go down my spine.
Speaker 1: That's what That's what forty nine days just to set
Speaker 1: sneaking up on you are determined to say that name
Speaker 1: within the first minute of every show, and I come
Speaker 1: here for it. I'll be honest, I kind of hate it,
Speaker 1: but at this point we're going to commit to the bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to talk to you. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about a few things, but I couldn't help but laugh.
Speaker 1: So we were having a right after the show on Tuesday,
Speaker 1: we had a content meeting about just everything that's going
Speaker 1: to happen over the next month and a half. We
Speaker 1: get in trouble, No, not at all yet. The Draft
Speaker 1: show is the best thing going on this platform. Are
Speaker 1: you kidding? No? We were just all right. We were
Speaker 1: talking about everything we want to do in the build
Speaker 1: up to the draft, and me and Kyle are sitting
Speaker 1: here like, all right, there's some good pro days. We
Speaker 1: could go to. What's nearby? What are some schools that
Speaker 1: have a lot of good players, And we both kind
Speaker 1: of settled on Oklahoma and Kyle pulls up, he pulls
Speaker 1: up like the website where all these dates are listed,
Speaker 1: and we're like, oh, it's tomorrow. Yeah, oh yeah, it
Speaker 1: already happened. Yeah it happened Wednesday. Arkansas. Has happened yesterday,
Speaker 1: Nick Benito, let's see how he did it pro day.
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely I'm flabbergasted, Brian, and I think I know
Speaker 1: your answer, but like, what is going on? We just
Speaker 1: got done with the Combine on Sunday afternoon, and like
Speaker 1: two pretty big programs have already had their pro day.
Speaker 1: Treylan Burke's decided to stand on his combine forty time,
Speaker 1: and at first I was like, well, that's kind of whimpy,
Speaker 1: and then I realized his pro day was three days later,
Speaker 1: Like what's the point? How much better can you conceivably get?
Speaker 1: Asked the Wisconsin guys, did you see what happened at
Speaker 1: their pro day? I have no clue. I want to
Speaker 1: know if they were running downhill, if the three cone
Speaker 1: was a two cone, they all get like, mysteriously way better.
Speaker 1: So their linebacker, Leo' channel he if you take the agilities,
Speaker 1: he did it pro day with forty in the jumps
Speaker 1: that he did at the Combine, Leo'shanelle is the most
Speaker 1: athletic prospect in the history of linebacker. He ran a
Speaker 1: three nine four short shuttle, so he just ran Mica
Speaker 1: Parsons out of the wat He ran a six nine
Speaker 1: three cone like he and I'm just like, okay, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna wait until like Dane or Brian or somebody gets
Speaker 1: numbers from teams. Yeah, because these I feel like these
Speaker 1: are the numbers that Wisconsin was putting out, like, hey,
Speaker 1: our linebacker coach had him at three nine. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what, there's nothing better than self promotion there. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: there's nothing better, no, you know. And yeah, that's we'll
Speaker 1: get those those sheets and stuff and kind of get
Speaker 1: them taken care of. Is this is this just all
Speaker 1: about scheduling? Is that why we're doing this? Well, I
Speaker 1: think a lot of it has to do that. A
Speaker 1: lot of these players feel like that they're in the
Speaker 1: best shape there are right now, you know, and and
Speaker 1: they want to go ahead, and they don't want to
Speaker 1: wait another two or three weeks to have a pro day,
Speaker 1: and so because they're worried about Okay, they went through
Speaker 1: all that at the combine, but they're feeling like, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to go. If I had to train or
Speaker 1: train anymore, I don't know if I could do it,
Speaker 1: you know, might as well done. Get it out of
Speaker 1: the way. There's a lot of these teams though, that
Speaker 1: are working on the schedules of NFL teams because you
Speaker 1: don't want to se There was a run there where
Speaker 1: all these quarterbacks were getting going on the same day,
Speaker 1: and the pro the teams were like, listen, no, please
Speaker 1: help us. You know, work work with each other here,
Speaker 1: you know, and schedule these days apart. But I think
Speaker 1: you have a lot of guys that are like, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to work out right now. I might have
Speaker 1: had a bad combine. Maybe you want to get that
Speaker 1: taste out of your mouth. If you had a bad combine,
Speaker 1: did you kind of feel like that you can go
Speaker 1: and kind of improve on some things, you know, when
Speaker 1: you're in your own backyard. See I go ahead. There's
Speaker 1: not a ton of a big time pro days coming
Speaker 1: up over the next couple of days. There's Indiana, Texas, Tulsa,
Speaker 1: Texas State next week Monday, that Leicester, Michigan has a
Speaker 1: pro Day at some point. I love that Texas is
Speaker 1: not a big time in pro DA mark this year.
Speaker 1: I know when the combine, when the combine was earlier,
Speaker 1: March twelfth used to be the big day, like everybody
Speaker 1: that was like the day that like when the combine
Speaker 1: was over. You waited a couple of weeks, and then boom,
Speaker 1: March twelfth was the day that everybody kind of started
Speaker 1: the combine. Is that a day set in stone? Normally
Speaker 1: it just was funny. It's funny how like the league year,
Speaker 1: you know when certain things are going to happen or
Speaker 1: certain things are going to start, and it just always
Speaker 1: seemed like that the biggest pro days were all of
Speaker 1: them were on March twelfth, and then you worked from there.
Speaker 1: In my head, and I think of it in the
Speaker 1: opposite of like Treilon Burkes is a great example, like
Speaker 1: maybe not a terrible forty. I think we had two
Speaker 1: of them, right, did you go? You go four five
Speaker 1: five four five? Oh yeah, okay, that makes if you
Speaker 1: split his times, it's like a four or five two,
Speaker 1: which again like not a terrible forty. But no, just
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm bringing him up because, like I said, like,
Speaker 1: how much work can you really do between like Saturday?
Speaker 1: Just want to get it done. So I look at
Speaker 1: it the opposite way where it's like maybe I want
Speaker 1: three weeks to work on whatever. I was disappointed stress,
Speaker 1: I think distress. I think these kids just want to
Speaker 1: get a lot of this done. I think the combine
Speaker 1: is super stressful now because they at this thing on TV.
Speaker 1: You know. The one thing about it is the players
Speaker 1: do have the ability with their phones and stuff to
Speaker 1: now know their times. There used to be a time
Speaker 1: where these guys would run forties, and even the guys
Speaker 1: down on the other end, the timers, the hand timers
Speaker 1: wouldn't tell them what their time was. You know, they
Speaker 1: always kind of wondering. You know, nobody had an idea
Speaker 1: of what they just ran. So now they know. And
Speaker 1: that's why you see a guy like with Jordan Davis,
Speaker 1: like he runs one one forty, you know, he runs
Speaker 1: it for seven eight or four eight one wherever you
Speaker 1: want to call the time, and he's like and someone
Speaker 1: calls him on his phone or text him like, bro,
Speaker 1: don't run again. Stop the NFL, and the NFL's Twitter
Speaker 1: account is eating all yeah, exactly, you now know exactly
Speaker 1: what how your workout win. And I think there's I
Speaker 1: think the stress level for these players is so much
Speaker 1: that they just want to get it over with and
Speaker 1: then be able to move on. If you know, if
Speaker 1: position coaches want to go roll in there and work
Speaker 1: them out, that's one of the reasons the advantages are
Speaker 1: working at the combine that if you do have a
Speaker 1: good combine with the measurable stuff, the timings and things
Speaker 1: do you could just beg out and say no, if
Speaker 1: you want to send the receiver's coach in here to
Speaker 1: work me out, I'm all good with that. Or you
Speaker 1: wants to send a running backs coach in, I'm good
Speaker 1: with that. But the pressure of having to go and
Speaker 1: try and make up for some of these things is big.
Speaker 1: Did you guys need to go to Georgia? Oh? I know,
Speaker 1: Georgia's next Wednesday. That's Georgie's high flying to Atlanta and
Speaker 1: go do it. Alabama is on the thirtieth. That's the
Speaker 1: other really really big What day is Alabama? Is it?
Speaker 1: How close it is Wednesday? So it's uh, how many days?
Speaker 1: Two weeks from yesterday, two weeks from two weeks after Georgia. Okayan,
Speaker 1: Brian's a sucker. He wants them all to be back
Speaker 1: to back. That's what I'm saying. I was trying to
Speaker 1: get you. I would you want to rent a car
Speaker 1: in Athens and drive exactly exactly? That's what I want
Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, that's what I want to. I want
Speaker 1: to I want to go all the way to I
Speaker 1: want to go all the way to Athens and then
Speaker 1: I want to work my way back and I'm hopeful
Speaker 1: that I can hit. I hopeful I can hit uh
Speaker 1: hit Georgia Alabama and then maybe LSU and then roll
Speaker 1: this in. Jeff, you're self employed. Now, how's that sound? No,
Speaker 1: non's awful. Hey, Auburn Auburn Tuesday. Everybody subscribed to my
Speaker 1: YouTube page and need more money. You could go Auburn Tuesday.
Speaker 1: Then you got Georgia on Wednesdays, the South Carolina's Friday. Jeff, like,
Speaker 1: we're ready, we'll be here. I'm telling you, man, you
Speaker 1: want to live stream the whole thing. I swear I'll watch.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you want to feel like I was there,
Speaker 1: that they'll put it on your chain. It's seriously though,
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember going a couple of times when
Speaker 1: when you and I went to Texas and Texas A
Speaker 1: and m that one time and did that thing. And
Speaker 1: I've been like I've been to like the Johnny manziel
Speaker 1: Ones and things like that. There's things you could get.
Speaker 1: Dane and I went to Oklahoma to watch Joe Mixon.
Speaker 1: We watched Connor Williams entire workout exactly month before you
Speaker 1: got picked here. Yeah, which I can hear the snarky
Speaker 1: comments already. It's happening me, spare me. They're popping up,
Speaker 1: all right. It's something to keep an eye on. They're
Speaker 1: gonna be happening sporadically throughout the next month. The NFL
Speaker 1: network puts a lot of them on TV. All those
Speaker 1: quarterback ones you'll see, well maybe not this class. I
Speaker 1: don't No, they will because there's nothing else content. When
Speaker 1: the NFL realized that they had a channel where they
Speaker 1: could throw any meaningless football on in the offseason and
Speaker 1: get people to watch. Yeah, it'll be there. I don't
Speaker 1: want to talk about that for the entire first segment.
Speaker 1: I actually I had a thought, and it's early. I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll get we talk, we talk about everybody. That's the goal.
Speaker 1: At least we'll get more into the weeds as the
Speaker 1: draft gets closer. I assume it feels a little bit
Speaker 1: repetitive to talk about the first round guys, but I do.
Speaker 1: There's one position that I would like to get into
Speaker 1: today that I feel like, of the major ones for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys, we have paid less attention to. And it's
Speaker 1: ironic because a lot of people think it's the deepest
Speaker 1: position in this draft. Is the edge rushers? Why because
Speaker 1: they're gonna get drafted so quickly that every time that's
Speaker 1: actually what I want to talk about. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: every time you want to pick one, you're like, all right,
Speaker 1: let's take this second round edge. I wake this third
Speaker 1: round guy? Can you And I think I understand what
Speaker 1: he's doing here, because think about this, it might be
Speaker 1: the deepest position, but it might have the most questions
Speaker 1: and they go fast, Well, but did you think about that?
Speaker 1: The questions about Thibodeau, the questions about is really Hutchinson,
Speaker 1: this guy, you know, Carloftus where I mean, I've seen
Speaker 1: people pick him all over the board. Gray Walker is
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, is Walker now the the guy
Speaker 1: that everybody's going, Man, this is the safest guy. This
Speaker 1: guy's the best. I mean, because they're starting to talk
Speaker 1: about people saying that Walker over Carloftus, over Thibadeau, over
Speaker 1: all these things. I know Dane Brugler has talked about
Speaker 1: that a bunch, and I wonder if it's the one position.
Speaker 1: A jobo is another one of the Michigan kids always
Speaker 1: talking about Jermaine Johnson has been one of those guys
Speaker 1: that's been a fast riser. It's the position. It might
Speaker 1: have the most, but it might have the most questions
Speaker 1: of their top guys. I think the only thing I
Speaker 1: feel confident about right now is that Aidan Hutchinson will
Speaker 1: be a top three pick. Read it could be there too.
Speaker 1: He could could be. But see, I've a good point.
Speaker 1: But people are starting five. People are starting to ding
Speaker 1: him for this personality traits and stuff like that, you know,
Speaker 1: And and that's always interesting because you know, are you
Speaker 1: trying to drive a guy down? I mean there's people
Speaker 1: talking about like the guys that might fall him. I
Speaker 1: mean I mean fall I'm not talking about all the
Speaker 1: way down the board, him Stingy, another guy from LSU
Speaker 1: the corner. I mean the people are talking. They these
Speaker 1: were guys that were sure fire top three players or so,
Speaker 1: and now people are talking about him somewhere between, you know,
Speaker 1: between seven and twelve, seven and fourteen, which like that.
Speaker 1: The inspiration for this talking point was for our draft magazine.
Speaker 1: You know, they make they make me do a first
Speaker 1: round mock, which I'll be honest, I hate because especially
Speaker 1: in Dude, I'm going home to do a mock right
Speaker 1: after the love they are the worst? No, are you
Speaker 1: doing a full thirty two team mock? Yeah, but the
Speaker 1: computer is gonna pick the other thing exactly. The other
Speaker 1: thing about it too, is is it a full thirty
Speaker 1: two team mock? And is it a month in advance
Speaker 1: and you have it set in stone for everybody to
Speaker 1: read for the rest of time. Yeah, it's great. No,
Speaker 1: because I will do thirteen thousands. You get a chance
Speaker 1: to do it again. Want to simulate your last one
Speaker 1: should be your best one? That mess with it. Deciding
Speaker 1: what all thirty two teams are going to do before
Speaker 1: free agency opens and having it be in a magazine
Speaker 1: a month from now is just my favorite. Give the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Evan Neil, just be optimistic. Yeah. The reason I bring
Speaker 1: it up is so I'm doing this mock and I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: Hutchinson's like he's going number two. That's just too easy. Thibodeaux.
Speaker 1: I think I'm a higher on him than a lot
Speaker 1: of people are. He's a top five pick. And then
Speaker 1: the rest of this and you know, like you go
Speaker 1: around the internet to get inspiration, like you want to
Speaker 1: see what others knowledgeable people are saying Dane's I mean,
Speaker 1: Dane is gospel as far as I'm concerned, And like
Speaker 1: every mock you look at, it's just a completely different situation.
Speaker 1: Like Dane's got Trevon Walker in the top six. Somebody
Speaker 1: else has George karloftis in the top ten. Meanwhile, Dane's
Speaker 1: got Carloft this like sixteen. So just help me sort
Speaker 1: this thing out. I'm fascinated. Do the Cowboys have a
Speaker 1: chance at a Carloft this or a Treyvon Walker or
Speaker 1: somebody else that I'm not thinking of David Ajabo, Brian,
Speaker 1: you're scared of him? Like, give me some direction here, somebody,
Speaker 1: I would say, you can't have Aidan Hutchinson, you can't
Speaker 1: have Cavon Tibodau, you can't have Trayvon Walker. The tough
Speaker 1: part is which one do you put next? You probably
Speaker 1: can't have Jermaine Johnson because I do think out of
Speaker 1: my top six guys, because those are four of the
Speaker 1: top six, the other two would be George Carlotas at
Speaker 1: Purdue and David Ojabo at Michigan. But those two I
Speaker 1: think have more physical questions than the other four. Right,
Speaker 1: Like Hutchinson athletically stud Thibodeau, Stud Walker Stud Jermaine Johnson,
Speaker 1: good athlete and can play the run and pass rush,
Speaker 1: whereas David Ojaba is more as a rookie I think
Speaker 1: can rush the passer with natural ability, but not a
Speaker 1: totally well rounded, going to play seventy percent of the
Speaker 1: snaps guy. And Karloftis is the one of that group
Speaker 1: that has the short arms, not as athletic as the
Speaker 1: other guys, but his tape is as good as some
Speaker 1: of them. So I would say maybe you have a
Speaker 1: chance at David Ojabo at Michigan or George Karloftus at Purdue.
Speaker 1: The other four I think no, And that's why I
Speaker 1: struggle with this edge class. Sorry, let me assume a
Speaker 1: power stands, because I feel like all six will be gone,
Speaker 1: yeah wow, And I think then you're gonna be looking
Speaker 1: at this. I think offensive tackle an edge are going
Speaker 1: to go, go, go, go, go go. And so then
Speaker 1: when you want to take an edge, you're going to
Speaker 1: be talking about a guy that I'm going to think
Speaker 1: is the fiftieth best player in the draft because it's
Speaker 1: a premier position and they go quick, and so you'll
Speaker 1: be at twenty four and it's like, hey, who's your
Speaker 1: best edge, And I'll be like in Nick Bare, the
Speaker 1: South Carolina guy, and it's like, all right, where you
Speaker 1: got him ranked? And I'm like, oh, he's like the
Speaker 1: forty eighth best player in the draft. And that's how
Speaker 1: past rush works, So I would I just can't see
Speaker 1: a scenario where they're taking an edge at twenty four
Speaker 1: unless George Karloftis or David Ojabo makes It would take
Speaker 1: a fall for it to happen. Because you mentioned those
Speaker 1: top six guys. Those are my top six as well.
Speaker 1: But then there's kind of a drop off between those
Speaker 1: first round talented or first round quality edge rushers, and
Speaker 1: then you've got the my j Sanders from Cincinnati, Drake
Speaker 1: Jackson from usc In nag Bare from South Carolina, all
Speaker 1: kind of in a bunch that's gonna work its way
Speaker 1: toward the second round. But even at fifty six, it's
Speaker 1: the same problem because because it's a premier position, because
Speaker 1: the Abacades from Penn State, they're gonna go early too.
Speaker 1: They may all be top fifty players, the top ten
Speaker 1: edge rushers might not even be on the board when
Speaker 1: you get there. When fifty six rolls around, Brian, you
Speaker 1: kind of went when you heard Drake Jackson, Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: some of those names, it's kind of like that. I
Speaker 1: don't even want him, Yeah, not even close there. Let
Speaker 1: him No, No, I mean I'm not saying because of you,
Speaker 1: because meat just person count on Jeff to be a
Speaker 1: little reckless. No. The thing with trade jack Jackson day three,
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I can He'll go fifty six.
Speaker 1: I got to look a third round grade on him.
Speaker 1: Sanders the same way. You know, I just weren't the
Speaker 1: South Carolina kid. I wasn't really Yeah, not Barre. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean you just say the school and we'll handle
Speaker 1: the names. You just I can't say, you know, I
Speaker 1: can't say some of these names. But I mean there
Speaker 1: was something cla tight end again. No, that was a disaster.
Speaker 1: That was bad. What's his name, du Dulcitch. There's a
Speaker 1: line trays in so that's like a done. Can't say
Speaker 1: Dulcich say the same thing. I'll say one thing. He's
Speaker 1: he's a really good player. That's a good player. He's
Speaker 1: a good player. But that's what I'm saying. Though these
Speaker 1: these I think there's for as deep as that position is,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of questions. There's a lot of questions
Speaker 1: about it, and you might have to over draft some
Speaker 1: of these guys that that and you're gonna go, oh,
Speaker 1: here we go, you know, the minute they don't play, well,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take boy a muffet four. I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what man, freak athlete. He is a freak athlete. He
Speaker 1: really really from what's twenty Minnesota And like I have
Speaker 1: him as like a third round guy and I'm watching
Speaker 1: people mocking him. Oh no, that's he can sneak into
Speaker 1: the first because he's a pass rusher. Yeah, with and
Speaker 1: he's a freak like the David ojabo ish tools where
Speaker 1: it's like, oh yeah, bigger guys, super athlete. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: know better than to ask this question because I've covered
Speaker 1: the draft for a while. But again, you talk about
Speaker 1: karloftis maybe short arms, lack of athleticism, the the book
Speaker 1: on a job, Like anytime somebody brings up a jabo,
Speaker 1: that's just that he's raw, that he's limited in what
Speaker 1: he can do. Is there any chance that those guys
Speaker 1: don't get overdrafted because there are offensive linemen or receivers
Speaker 1: that people feel more sure about, like is it and
Speaker 1: because we fall into this trap every year where we're like, oh,
Speaker 1: he's he's gone because he rush as the passer. Maybe
Speaker 1: is that premature? Is it possible that those guys are
Speaker 1: hanging around in your arrange maybe more so than in
Speaker 1: other years because there are questions about them. Maybe, but
Speaker 1: I do. It's just it's such a premier thing. And
Speaker 1: the reason that the hyper athletes are going to be
Speaker 1: the guys that are going to go off the board
Speaker 1: quickly is because more and more quarterbacks get the ball
Speaker 1: out in two and a half seconds. So if you're
Speaker 1: going to sack the quarterback, show me in practice that
Speaker 1: you can do that within two point three seconds, and
Speaker 1: I'll get you on the field. So these twitched, powerful
Speaker 1: lower body bendy dudes, even if they're not complete players
Speaker 1: on tape, even if they didn't have eight or ten
Speaker 1: sacks in a college football season, you watch that workout
Speaker 1: and you go, I can get him home. I can't.
Speaker 1: Like you show me a six foot five, two hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy five pound defensive end who's a good run
Speaker 1: player and who runs a seven four three cone in
Speaker 1: a four eight forty, and it's like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if I can get him home. I can get boy
Speaker 1: a mofe home as soon as I teach them how
Speaker 1: to play. Yeah, it's terrifying. That's that's it. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you what I mean. I talk about the defensive end position.
Speaker 1: Some of these guys, I think the wide receiver crews
Speaker 1: some of that A little bit too scared about some
Speaker 1: of these guys. I guarantee you at the end of
Speaker 1: when we get ready to go to draft, when we
Speaker 1: saw sit down on that Thursday night, right, I guarantee you,
Speaker 1: everybody will have a different list of their top five
Speaker 1: wide receivers. I guarantee you. I guarantee you that, and
Speaker 1: and and the questions you're gonna have where I love
Speaker 1: a guy like Pickings from Georgia, Jeff will love sky Moore.
Speaker 1: You know they'll they'll get But see, that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: though everybody is going to have I don't think you
Speaker 1: can find a consensus on this wide receiver class. I
Speaker 1: really and because to me, you know, everybody wants to
Speaker 1: talk about the Olavees and the Wilsons and the Londons
Speaker 1: and the Minchie's. People were asking me about Minchi and
Speaker 1: they're like second round. Really, you know, I'm like you
Speaker 1: watched him play, you know, but there's people out there
Speaker 1: that like they do they do you know they Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the thing about it is they still have problem
Speaker 1: throwing to him every single third down. Yeah. See that's
Speaker 1: the that's the thing. I mean, you look through this
Speaker 1: whole draft, I'm starting to learn that maybe these defensive
Speaker 1: tackles are pretty much like, maybe that's the best route
Speaker 1: to go because with the exception of Lyle from Texas
Speaker 1: A and M, I think we all kind of understand
Speaker 1: what Davis is, what why it is. Travis Jones, you
Speaker 1: know from Yukon. People are kind of talking about him
Speaker 1: a lot. I think him mocked in the first round
Speaker 1: the other day, bug or yesterday. And see that's what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, you know, you know matthis, I mean there's
Speaker 1: guys like there's maybe that's the one group that you're
Speaker 1: you're kind of like saying, man, I know what these
Speaker 1: players are, but you're in these other first round guys
Speaker 1: you might not be as you might not be as
Speaker 1: is really locked in as you need. You're like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I hope this guy's it. I hope That's what I'm
Speaker 1: kind of learning about. Another pick in this draft by
Speaker 1: the way, like you think we were forgetting somebody that,
Speaker 1: I just think to find another page another between our
Speaker 1: one and two. I thought we need to find another
Speaker 1: pick because I'm looking at like my corners and my safeties,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, you know what's gonna happen in this
Speaker 1: draft is the guys who you'd love will be gone
Speaker 1: before your first round pick. And guy, I was trying
Speaker 1: to get it gone before your second round pick and
Speaker 1: extra pick to get one of these. Was on the
Speaker 1: radio yesterday. I was trying to get Jacksonville to give
Speaker 1: me thirty three for what for Amari Cooper's I think
Speaker 1: that's rich. Actually we have a question about that. Well, no,
Speaker 1: if I was trying to flip spots, I was trying
Speaker 1: to go from fifty six to thirty three. I was
Speaker 1: just trying to use him as a move into two piece.
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying part of him. Yeah, yeah, you're giving
Speaker 1: you're you're giving Jacksonville your Amari Cooper and your second
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Speaker 1: I need to actually go figure. I remember that I've
Speaker 1: got to do the twitter on the twenty drop, but
Speaker 1: not the read. But yeah, liberty tax, and also being
Speaker 1: while we're at I just throw the drop. Do you
Speaker 1: know what time it is? The second segment we take
Speaker 1: your questions? I teased it in the first segment because
Speaker 1: Kaide asked the question. He actually he specifically asked about
Speaker 1: adding an extra three for Amari Cooper. But we can
Speaker 1: take this wherever you want. He I mean, how would
Speaker 1: that change your draft strategy? I guess A does it
Speaker 1: make you feel better about I think what we all
Speaker 1: agree is something we wouldn't be thrilled about. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: be I guess what do you think a realistic way
Speaker 1: to get something for him? And Brian you kind of yeah,
Speaker 1: we did. We did a segment yesterday about it, and
Speaker 1: I was I was just trying to kind of find
Speaker 1: some spots, you know, maybe you go some big jumps,
Speaker 1: some teams that need the Jets were looking. We were
Speaker 1: talk about Jacksonville, I visit with Jacksonville about a Maury Cooper. Anyway,
Speaker 1: there's teams that are looking at him as a possibility
Speaker 1: where you do trade for him and then you redo
Speaker 1: the contract. There's people that don't want to fight for
Speaker 1: the guy. I mean, they don't want to fight. They
Speaker 1: don't want him to get released, and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it turns into a fight and we have
Speaker 1: to overpay and all. Yeah, so the bidding war. They
Speaker 1: want to avoid that. So I was trying to kind
Speaker 1: of find some spots, and I think my history of
Speaker 1: doing this and when chum in the water is sometimes
Speaker 1: you could get people interested if you say, listen, we'll
Speaker 1: still let you pick in the round. You don't have
Speaker 1: to give us the pick. Here's the player. Let us
Speaker 1: come to your spot. So if you want to go
Speaker 1: up six falls to fifty six and Jackson, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you get you get Amari Cooper, you're still picking in
Speaker 1: the second and then and then here we go. We
Speaker 1: saw yesterday with the deal with Carson Wentz, Washington and
Speaker 1: Indie flop picks in the second round is what they did.
Speaker 1: So now Indie comes up, Washington goes down, you get
Speaker 1: the player and all that. So I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: make it is. I'm trying to I'm trying to create
Speaker 1: an opportunity here, because sometimes you say, hey, we want
Speaker 1: a two for the guy or a three for the guy.
Speaker 1: Teams will balk at that. They're like, no, we're not
Speaker 1: interested in doing that. But if you say, listen, I'll
Speaker 1: let you have the player. Just let me, let me
Speaker 1: have the difference in the spots. That is such a
Speaker 1: great place to be though, And thirty three is like
Speaker 1: your favorite pick in the draft. It is. It absolutely
Speaker 1: to hang out on Thursday night and field calls used
Speaker 1: to it used to be when the draft just kind
Speaker 1: of went on, you just kind of rolled in. But
Speaker 1: then the next day, when you we have the way
Speaker 1: television does the draft, now we talk about at day one,
Speaker 1: then what do we do to end that first night
Speaker 1: of the draft? Who are the best players you got available?
Speaker 1: That's the last thing you're gonna ask Jeff, You're gonna
Speaker 1: ask me, ask Kyle, yes day whoever you're gonna ask.
Speaker 1: And you say, who do you got left? I still
Speaker 1: got a first round guy on the board. I still
Speaker 1: got you know, And so teams could reset their board.
Speaker 1: But I was like, it's funny, what Jeff was saying,
Speaker 1: you know, think about picking at twenty four and then
Speaker 1: picking again at thirty three. I like that. That to me, See,
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing that he was just talking about,
Speaker 1: that you can knock out a couple of different positions quick.
Speaker 1: Just looking at fifty six. Some names of a couple
Speaker 1: mock drafts around here. Travis Jones, that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be early on. It's not gonna happen, though.
Speaker 1: Drake Jackson we just mentioned him from USC Cameron Thomas
Speaker 1: from San Diego State, David Belle, Isaiah Spiller. I know
Speaker 1: all these are all just names out every person you've
Speaker 1: named exactly, but then you go up to thirty three
Speaker 1: and you've got Trent McDuffie, Davis Daxton Hill, Yeah, Jaquon Brisker.
Speaker 1: That's what Dan picking. That's what Dane did last night
Speaker 1: when Jeff and I were on a show on his channel,
Speaker 1: we talked about that, and I truly I'm like Dane,
Speaker 1: I didn't hear Das Hill. And then sure enough thirty right,
Speaker 1: and so then now I'm thinking, okay, if you could
Speaker 1: get to Jacksonville's pick, and all of a sudden you
Speaker 1: knock out, you get, say for Jeff, you get the guard,
Speaker 1: you get Zion Johnson, and then you turn around and
Speaker 1: you get my Das Hill. Now we're now we're having
Speaker 1: a draft. How realistic do you think that is? What
Speaker 1: to try and trade that you're proposed trade. I'm just trying, man,
Speaker 1: I'm just doing everything. I think it's realistically. No, No,
Speaker 1: I tried. I've tried it a couple different spots. I
Speaker 1: even made a little small move. I went to I
Speaker 1: went to New England just to try and get up
Speaker 1: four or five spots. You know, go from say, go
Speaker 1: from twenty four to twenty one kind of a thing.
Speaker 1: You know, what you want to do is you want
Speaker 1: to target the teams that have money, like the like
Speaker 1: the Jets. You want to target Jacksonville. You know, teams
Speaker 1: that have like young quarterbacks that could maybe use a
Speaker 1: wide receiver that you know it's got some skill. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to go back to the spirit of Kaid's question, Jeff,
Speaker 1: I feel since you want the extra pick so bad, yes,
Speaker 1: thank you, let's just hypothetically say, um, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: throw a pick out there. The number doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna say, for the spirit of this exercise,
Speaker 1: Miami gives you pick eighty one for Marii Cooper. So
Speaker 1: now that was one of the teams I talked about
Speaker 1: in the third round. So yeah, it's a third round pick. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the Michael Gallup pick. Yeah, so you get an extra three. Yep,
Speaker 1: you've got four picks in the top one hundred, but
Speaker 1: you don't have Amari Cooper. Okay, how does that change
Speaker 1: your thought process on what you want to do here?
Speaker 1: And y'all can answer this too. I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: it's just a bonus pick because I think by the
Speaker 1: time you got to if you get pick eighty one,
Speaker 1: I think by the time you got there, you've already
Speaker 1: used a pick that is to quote replace Samari Cooper. Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think you're gonna get to the eighty fig
Speaker 1: and not that might be your that might be if
Speaker 1: you're thinking about the tight end, that's your Jeremy Rucker pick,
Speaker 1: the Ohio State tight end. If a Maria Cooper is
Speaker 1: not on this team in a week, you basically think
Speaker 1: it's a lock that either pick twenty four or pick
Speaker 1: fifty six. As a receiver, I would I would lock
Speaker 1: it in. I think either one of those where unless
Speaker 1: you get, unless you get one of those scenarios where
Speaker 1: something falls that you weren't expecting, it's like crap, we
Speaker 1: gotta take him, we gotta take a point to take him.
Speaker 1: You always got to keep the draft board open. We've
Speaker 1: heard that time end, time out. But if you're if
Speaker 1: your draft for need at wide receiver at twenty four,
Speaker 1: maybe it's not there, but I think at fifty six
Speaker 1: you're still going to have names that are in that
Speaker 1: wide receiver class. Yeah that maybe, like you said, damaged
Speaker 1: goods previously, or maybe you have a couple question marks
Speaker 1: on them that could be where you take that receivers
Speaker 1: at twenty four could be your pick. Sure, And if
Speaker 1: that's the case, now you focus in on the other
Speaker 1: things you focus in on, maybe that guard, you focus
Speaker 1: in on, maybe the safety. Maybe there might be somebody
Speaker 1: you like there at the win of those spots. I
Speaker 1: just think and we depending on what happens at safety.
Speaker 1: If you can't get all your safety st I mean
Speaker 1: there's so many again three on the marketing maddening trying
Speaker 1: to put a mock draft together before any of this
Speaker 1: stuff happens. Because we know that the list of needs
Speaker 1: is going to drastically shift in the next two weeks.
Speaker 1: All the Safeties are going between twenty four and fifty six.
Speaker 1: That even with Amary Cooper and the thought process of
Speaker 1: trading him for a pick, you would still have to
Speaker 1: do it within the next couple of weeks, right, you see,
Speaker 1: you can't necessarily wait until Draft night and no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you've got to duel. You've gotta whatever you're gonna do
Speaker 1: with a Mara, you've got to do by like March twenties,
Speaker 1: say March twenty, next couple of weeks if they at
Speaker 1: least weird whatever that is. Brian and I had a
Speaker 1: really quiet conversation. All you guys were going, and I
Speaker 1: wonder if we could pull that off on the Draft
Speaker 1: show where you guys talk, and then Brian and I
Speaker 1: just kind of sneak some things in. I'm sorry, that's
Speaker 1: really disrespectful on my part. I just was curiously because
Speaker 1: we get to the class. Brian, well, you know that's
Speaker 1: all safeties are going to be gone. That's what that
Speaker 1: was fascinating to me. And I asked, I've seen Brian cook, yes,
Speaker 1: and so yeah, we won't be gone. Yeah, So that's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, though, I mean, I was saying, because see,
Speaker 1: I've got Brian Cook as a third round safety. That's
Speaker 1: why I was kind of gauging where he was at. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we could take a third round safe to fifty six
Speaker 1: Brian Cook at Cincinnati and Kirbye Joseph at Illinois. There's
Speaker 1: my third round, guys, Kirbie Joseph. Not a wonderful combine. No,
Speaker 1: I know, we don't necessarily care about that. I didn't
Speaker 1: even see his comment. I would assume he didn't run well,
Speaker 1: and I assume he didn't jump well. He just yeah,
Speaker 1: the numbers were not great. We take a peek at him.
Speaker 1: Jamie wants to know what would a one to our buddy.
Speaker 1: Jamie leads James, Oh wow, what's up bud? Our buddies
Speaker 1: over to see what would want to do? What would
Speaker 1: a one two offensive line double dip look like? Is
Speaker 1: that even a good idea? Uh? The ideal double dip
Speaker 1: I would think would involve lender Bamb because linder Bamb
Speaker 1: and a guard. Yeah, Linderbamb and then a guard. Remake
Speaker 1: the whole thing and in two picks. I wonder what
Speaker 1: the cowboys so like Tyler Linderbaum the Iowa Center in
Speaker 1: the first and then at Ingram LSU's guard in the second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could probably talk about Ingram Canard would be like
Speaker 1: because he's such a big old lumbering man, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I like him. That's kind of that's kinds
Speaker 1: that's a bunch of big, kind of lumbering guys in
Speaker 1: this thing. I mean, you know, I mean the thing.
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see what really is going to happen
Speaker 1: with Green? You know, he was he was kind of
Speaker 1: the funny and thirty fun He was kind of the
Speaker 1: flavor of the month for everybody. You think, do you
Speaker 1: think his combine Kenyon Green? Yeah, Kenyan Green, his combine
Speaker 1: hurt him that much. I'll tell you what people are,
Speaker 1: what people I don't. People are questioning the athletic ability,
Speaker 1: don't you think? I think you could have flipped him
Speaker 1: and Zion Johnson for teams if you like, if you
Speaker 1: were like me, and everyone's not, because that would be
Speaker 1: a terrible thing to be. But if you're like me,
Speaker 1: you really liked both of them. And when one test
Speaker 1: is an elite athlete and one tests very average, not wrong,
Speaker 1: it's not impossible to flip them. I did Zion Johnson
Speaker 1: is guard one for me now, and Kenyan Green is
Speaker 1: number two. You said that more confidently than you did
Speaker 1: on Tuesday. Yeah, you have to sit with these things,
Speaker 1: you know, you have to meditate on it. Dane hit
Speaker 1: him with a bull on it. Yeah, Dane hit me
Speaker 1: with a break. Dane said, you're a stupid changer. No,
Speaker 1: but it was a question that we asked last. I
Speaker 1: asked him. I was just like wrong, he wasn't. Yeah,
Speaker 1: teams will, teams will. Yeah, he's not wrong. Magneto, Kyle,
Speaker 1: you take this one a Magneto. Yeah, Magneto, you weren't
Speaker 1: here for that. Oh yeah, he got a question from Magneto.
Speaker 1: Oh did we You don't read? You don't You didn't
Speaker 1: watch the X Men as a kid. Oh you're so young, young,
Speaker 1: you're so young. I'm sorry you didn't see the movies. No,
Speaker 1: my god, not only are you young, but you're not
Speaker 1: a dork. So good for you. That's I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: still a dork. But Magneto got it. Now. How do
Speaker 1: you how do you rank the trio of Traylan Burks,
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams, and Chris olave Stack those tags put them
Speaker 1: in order already that was a good question. You put
Speaker 1: him an order you did. Honestly, we all day it again.
Speaker 1: Say it again. I Traylan Burks, Jamison Williams, Chris Olabba. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's my three. I went with Williams, Burks, O love
Speaker 1: is how I went it, even with the injury. The
Speaker 1: injury is the only thing that I'm watching. I ain't.
Speaker 1: I think. I think the kid's gonna come back just fine.
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. I'm not letting an ACL two
Speaker 1: A cls don't matter. I think Jamison Williams is one
Speaker 1: of the most special talents in this Jeff, and again,
Speaker 1: these are the conversations you have when you do different
Speaker 1: podcasts and things like that. Is that all of a
Speaker 1: sudden that all these guys like Jamison Williams and the
Speaker 1: guys end up in Tampa, all the really good teams,
Speaker 1: chief seriously, chiefs, everybody in the back of the draft,
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, who's on the board. Oh that Jamison.
Speaker 1: Just like three minutes they hand the card in. They
Speaker 1: don't even wait, they just like hand the card in.
Speaker 1: I think that's what I'm saying is all these players
Speaker 1: that were highly touted and they're kind of nicked up
Speaker 1: a little bit. Now all of a sudden, teams are
Speaker 1: just waiting like like we were doing a thing again
Speaker 1: last night, the whole thing about this. Uh, Dane was
Speaker 1: talking about his mock draft and he goes, and he
Speaker 1: and Jeff goes. The Ravens take Jordan Davis. I'm like,
Speaker 1: of course the Ravens take Jordan. Of course they do.
Speaker 1: The Ravens always take Jordan Davis. See it's every draft,
Speaker 1: these teams and just some of these players just automatically
Speaker 1: that's a perfect pick for the Ravens. And then Ravens
Speaker 1: are on the clock who they picked the perfect, perfect player.
Speaker 1: Yeah you think there are teams that overthink this stuff.
Speaker 1: Absolutely hell, yes, you think this is one of them.
Speaker 1: With the Ravens are up the Cowboys that overthink. I
Speaker 1: think they've gotten better at this though, because because because
Speaker 1: because they trust their stack, they trust the stack. They
Speaker 1: are like, listen, we put that guy up there for
Speaker 1: a reason. They used to not be that way. Okay,
Speaker 1: talk to me about this is the possibility of starting
Speaker 1: his career on pup. The only thing pushing Jamison Williams
Speaker 1: down the board because I just I might be I
Speaker 1: watched the guy and I think he's the top twenty player.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm an idiot, but that's just what I've seen.
Speaker 1: You're spot on every time the ball. I mean, you
Speaker 1: could watch those Alabama. It's amazing about Alabama. You think,
Speaker 1: what's a team that's as tough as they are. They
Speaker 1: put out some receivers in this thing. You know, they
Speaker 1: put some guys out and it's like and you watch
Speaker 1: them play. I mean seriously, they throw them the ball
Speaker 1: and every time it's just run after catch, run after kats,
Speaker 1: kind of like watching Woods watching CD. You know when
Speaker 1: he was playing Okaya, run after catch, run after catch,
Speaker 1: trying run that dude on Crossers every down. He's one
Speaker 1: hundred and seventy nine pounds, but pushing him down is
Speaker 1: Have you seen Garrett Wilson play, Yeah, seen Trailing Burke's play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: You've seen Drake London play. Like it's just gonna be
Speaker 1: what order of the receivers are we That's the problem.
Speaker 1: That's the problem, because every not the problem. It's a
Speaker 1: good thing because I think everybody sees these guys differently
Speaker 1: and that's cool, and that's and it's all going to
Speaker 1: be at the end when we're all watching games in
Speaker 1: Week seven and somebody tweets Atison says, I told Jeff
Speaker 1: was right about that. Scar More. You know, that's the
Speaker 1: kind of stuff's gonna be right about that, Scott Moore,
Speaker 1: I'm just being nice. I was just being nice to you.
Speaker 1: But but the thing about it is that's kind of
Speaker 1: what happens. We see it all the time, don't we.
Speaker 1: Absolutely and well, in the last two drafts, and you
Speaker 1: talked about Alabama receivers, two of the first three picks
Speaker 1: in the or two of the first three tight end
Speaker 1: or wide receivers rather in the last two drafts have
Speaker 1: been from Alabama. The only guy that has broken that
Speaker 1: up was Jamar Chase, and I mean Jalen Wattle. You
Speaker 1: had Davante Smith, Henry Ruggs, Jerry Judy. Are we as
Speaker 1: excited though about this draft class as we were about
Speaker 1: those two receivers class, Because even with all these guys
Speaker 1: and the different ice cream flavors that you're going to
Speaker 1: have with all these wide receivers, I still feel like
Speaker 1: I'm not as high. I don't guy, I don't have
Speaker 1: a two draft, I don't have a chase up there.
Speaker 1: I don't have a chase up there, I've got some
Speaker 1: I've got some really good players. I got some really
Speaker 1: good players, especially with Burkes and Wilson. I think a lave.
Speaker 1: My love for a lava is emense. But I mean
Speaker 1: I don't have a chase up there or ceedee lamb.
Speaker 1: I just don't. Mike says, Mike wants us to talk
Speaker 1: about um Dax Hill. We've talked about him before, but
Speaker 1: specifically talk to me about his versatility, like how many hats?
Speaker 1: How many hats do you think this guy can wear?
Speaker 1: And two hats? A lot of them? All right, Well,
Speaker 1: fight he can play the nickel corner if you need
Speaker 1: him too, and he can play safety. I think that's
Speaker 1: the best thing he has going for him is that
Speaker 1: he's a very capable go cover the slot and play
Speaker 1: man coverage. He's very capable played half the field and
Speaker 1: come tackle. I think he's a very capable go stand
Speaker 1: way back there and play free safety. So that's not
Speaker 1: two hats. I guess he could be a half field safety,
Speaker 1: could be a deep safety, center field, be in the box. Kyle,
Speaker 1: talk to me about this because I think Mike is
Speaker 1: I think Mike is looking and I think the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have a great shot at resigning jay Ron Curse, which
Speaker 1: is rare. I don't know that I would say that
Speaker 1: about But we're purning. Are we printing money now up there?
Speaker 1: I just I think obviously we are. I don't feel
Speaker 1: confident about a lot of guys coming back, but he's
Speaker 1: one of them that I think will. But anyway, well,
Speaker 1: Michigan showed you the hats the Dexton Hill can wear
Speaker 1: because the games that I watched, if a team has
Speaker 1: two wide receivers, Dexton Hill is a safety. If a
Speaker 1: team has three or more receivers, Dexton Hill play slot.
Speaker 1: That's it. That's that's where he goes to. So he
Speaker 1: can do a lot of that stuff that we saw
Speaker 1: from Curse. Oh, Dan Quinn's going to love that version.
Speaker 1: He's a smaller version. Everybody in the league is a
Speaker 1: smaller version of jay Ron. That's a good point. But
Speaker 1: you also could pare the two together and you imagine
Speaker 1: the possibilities that you would have in terms of those
Speaker 1: two back in fourth Now, the majority of the time,
Speaker 1: Curse is probably gonna be in the box and he's
Speaker 1: probably gonna cover those big tight ends. But however you
Speaker 1: want to shift it. I think dan Quinn's gonna have
Speaker 1: his eye on Hill. He would be one of those guys.
Speaker 1: I would imagine him standing on the table for when
Speaker 1: draft day comes around, if somehow the Cowboys have a
Speaker 1: shot at him. I think they would at twenty four,
Speaker 1: but I think we were talking Brian scenario of trying
Speaker 1: to go up to thirty three, thirty four, thirty five
Speaker 1: to try and get him in the second. I'll tell
Speaker 1: you the thing. When I in December, when I started
Speaker 1: this journey and I watched this player, it was him.
Speaker 1: I thought this was Dallas's pick. I went through several guys,
Speaker 1: you know, all those defense you don't think that's likely anymore.
Speaker 1: They'll just there'll be better value. Well, they all of
Speaker 1: a sudden it became what's happening in a guard, what's
Speaker 1: happening in at center, what's happening at wide receiver? What's
Speaker 1: happening it? You know, in December, I just I just
Speaker 1: guess how much there? I just thought I just thought
Speaker 1: I'd go, man, this guy, this guy is not Jeff's
Speaker 1: right about he does he's you know, he's six foot,
Speaker 1: he's one hundred and ninety something pounds. The guy's a
Speaker 1: hell of a football player. I mean he tackles, he covered.
Speaker 1: So I was watching play, I'm thinking that's Dallas's pick
Speaker 1: at twenty four and that was that was in December.
Speaker 1: Real quick, before we take our second break, Maurice wants
Speaker 1: to know you know we did. We did a whole
Speaker 1: segment about tight ends on Tuesday, but we did not
Speaker 1: talk about Virginia's Jelaney Woods. Jeff, I heard you had
Speaker 1: somewhat of an interesting scouting report. I have not completely
Speaker 1: studied him, but I have seen him multiple times and
Speaker 1: he's one of my favorite college football players because I
Speaker 1: compare him too. And this isn't gonna work, so it's
Speaker 1: a different professional team. But the Mavericks have a young
Speaker 1: player that every time he's in it's highly entertaining, whether
Speaker 1: the ball goes in, whether that's he plays good defense, whatever,
Speaker 1: it's highly entertaining. And Johnny Woods is over sixty seven
Speaker 1: and I think he's like two hundred and forty pounds,
Speaker 1: so it kind of looks like a giraffe running around
Speaker 1: with a bunch of six foot tall people and so,
Speaker 1: but the giraffe is very strong and aggressive, but sometimes
Speaker 1: doesn't look totally coordinated. So if you told me Hey,
Speaker 1: the fourth round of the draft is starting, maybe even
Speaker 1: the fifth round, and you're interested in a tight end
Speaker 1: prospect with a bunch of upside where it's like, look,
Speaker 1: watch him catch the ball and it all looks kind
Speaker 1: of weird, but man does it kind of work and
Speaker 1: he's like running through tackles. But it's this guy that is,
Speaker 1: you know, he's five inches over all the people trying
Speaker 1: to tackle him, and it all just looks incredibly funny.
Speaker 1: But he's interesting. Charlie. Charlie. Kohler's that way a little
Speaker 1: bit for me too. He's a big guy too, six seven, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's kind of like kind of like, you know,
Speaker 1: like he's gonna fall over. But then but then he's
Speaker 1: like Jeff's talking about these guys. They're six seven and
Speaker 1: they reach up and they just and they're they're so
Speaker 1: much taller than everybody else that they make plays and
Speaker 1: it's funny how they make plays, and they do it
Speaker 1: a lot just because of the length. I was looking
Speaker 1: up a Kohler at the other day. Apparently he's really
Speaker 1: good off the field too, like did a ton of
Speaker 1: community service at Iowa State, did a lot of that
Speaker 1: on field stuff. Of course, but he asked. He's got
Speaker 1: a lot of that complete picture that teams are gonna
Speaker 1: like and maybe try and push him up a little bit.
Speaker 1: You don't get to hear about that, a whole lot
Speaker 1: that extra good side of the off the field stuff
Speaker 1: rights A CENCINAI Bengals, We really don't care about that
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Speaker 1: missed doing the blitz, Brian? Is this a draft version
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Speaker 1: hate y'all exactly. Look, Kyle, I'm just I'm watching. I
Speaker 1: took over hosting this year and I have a I mean,
Speaker 1: I respect you regardless, but I have a new level
Speaker 1: of respect. Thank you wrangling these two mont regrets. And
Speaker 1: last year it was even more Last year it was
Speaker 1: last year was Dane and Bucky and Katie on top.
Speaker 1: It was a different crew every time, and I couldn't
Speaker 1: remember what we talked about each week. That sounds awesome.
Speaker 1: Kudos to you. My friend nicks Man, talk to me
Speaker 1: about and this is tricky because it's it's edge rusher
Speaker 1: and these guys get overdrafted. I get it. Talk to
Speaker 1: me about day two guys at that position. Talk. I mean,
Speaker 1: we went over some of these names, the Minnesota kid,
Speaker 1: Drake Jackson. Just just talk me through some of these
Speaker 1: guys that maybe you like and maybe you don't like,
Speaker 1: just to give me a clearer idea of what we're
Speaker 1: looking at at this position. Gosh, I think it's tough
Speaker 1: because I think I'm probably lower on a lot of
Speaker 1: these guys than where they're going to get drafted. So
Speaker 1: like Penn State's Ebiketty, maybe he sneaks Katie Katie, maybe
Speaker 1: he sneaks into the first round. Just say the team school,
Speaker 1: I've Penn State guy. Just leave the name to this side,
Speaker 1: Penn State guy, one of those stand up, good athlete
Speaker 1: pass rushers. That to me, it's like, sure, I'd pick
Speaker 1: him maybe at fifty six, and he'll go at like
Speaker 1: thirty five and Nigbare the South Carolina defensive end. Would
Speaker 1: I take him at fifty six? Maybe he'll go before that.
Speaker 1: And then you get down to jijii J. You mentioned
Speaker 1: j Sanders. It's almost like the Jay's on the feet.
Speaker 1: It's how he explained it to me. He's two hundred
Speaker 1: and twenty eight pounds and six to five. Like he's
Speaker 1: like a smaller version and less athletic Randy Gregory. Yeah,
Speaker 1: apparently that is a Day two edge. And I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm watching the Day two guys and I'm like, oh gosh,
Speaker 1: I just don't trust any of these time. I was
Speaker 1: a little surprised. I thought his athleticism was there to
Speaker 1: a certain extent, But you're right, less athletic than a
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. But he's still a guy who could develop
Speaker 1: into a role very similar to that. And you saw
Speaker 1: it in senior role in Mobile. You saw it a
Speaker 1: little bit in the Combine. But his tape is really
Speaker 1: where I like my JA a lot. And by saying
Speaker 1: a lot, I mean fifty six would be right where
Speaker 1: I would pick him. Honestly, I don't think he's a
Speaker 1: first round guy. I don't think he's an early second.
Speaker 1: He's that middle of the second, maybe back half. But
Speaker 1: he's a good player. What's amazing about him is he's
Speaker 1: a two hundred and twenty eight pound player. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you actually see him play pretty strong, which you know
Speaker 1: because of the lead and things like that. I mean
Speaker 1: it's you know, you don't see him like because you
Speaker 1: worry about bulk sometimes with defensive ends, but you don't
Speaker 1: see him getting knocked off the line all that much.
Speaker 1: I was pretty impressed with him by that. I'm like, ky,
Speaker 1: this guy's super thin and but you know, he'll The
Speaker 1: thing that kind of struck me a little bit about
Speaker 1: him in a kind of negative way is that, you know,
Speaker 1: when when you look at him in those situations of
Speaker 1: having to play the run and the way he's able
Speaker 1: to get off. I think the thing I really really
Speaker 1: like about him, though, is how much how fast he is.
Speaker 1: This guy can really cover some ground. I mean when
Speaker 1: you're talking about running and chasing and things like that,
Speaker 1: I mean he can make that. He can make it
Speaker 1: happen rushing the pastor because you don't see him get
Speaker 1: really deep. Sometimes these lighter guys run so fast, so
Speaker 1: far up the field they can't get back to get
Speaker 1: in on the quarterback. This kid has a pretty good
Speaker 1: feel of how to get to that level in the
Speaker 1: pocket where the quarterback is. So I'm interested. But man,
Speaker 1: some people will probably not like it. The fact that
Speaker 1: he's two hundred and twenty eight pounds. He's that quick,
Speaker 1: that would be a problem. He's got that quick first
Speaker 1: step too. I like his get off. I like the
Speaker 1: first step. He's got that short area quickness. But like
Speaker 1: you said, if he's relying on his strength and his power,
Speaker 1: he's not gonna get blown off the ball. But he's
Speaker 1: also not gonna blow anybody off the ball. You know.
Speaker 1: It's funny. In my notes, and I don't have a
Speaker 1: date when I did this about Maffe from Minnesota. The
Speaker 1: last line I typed in my notes was I don't
Speaker 1: know why folks are not talking about him more, which,
Speaker 1: to be very honest, and and and I know is
Speaker 1: the first time I've heard the guy's name. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: on me seriously, And I'm you know, I says, hey,
Speaker 1: he plays, I go this. He generally plays the open
Speaker 1: or weak side of the formation, so he doesn't have
Speaker 1: somebody always in his face. But man, you watch him
Speaker 1: run and burst and close. I mean, there's all these
Speaker 1: things he could finish, he could tackle. He makes a
Speaker 1: lot of plays when he has to run guys down
Speaker 1: from the back side, and that's playing on the open side.
Speaker 1: He could just fly to this to the ball and
Speaker 1: I kind of, I said, in his hands and he
Speaker 1: wouldn't to let blockers get in on him. So again,
Speaker 1: I did this report my notes a while back on him,
Speaker 1: and I just didn't know why we weren't talking to him.
Speaker 1: I'm glad to see that people are kind of the testing.
Speaker 1: It obviously was before the combine, because the testing numbers
Speaker 1: came in really really big, And people now, I guess,
Speaker 1: are talking about him as a potential first round guy.
Speaker 1: I have him in the second round myself. I didn't
Speaker 1: have him as a first round guy. I think the
Speaker 1: reason why I'm harping on this, and it's obviously impossible
Speaker 1: to predict, but we know what's going on with Amari.
Speaker 1: We know receiver is an issue here, we know tight end,
Speaker 1: we know all about the offensive line, but like so
Speaker 1: the defensive end edge rush sneaky stands to be terrifying. Yeah, yea,
Speaker 1: we don't know what they're gonna do with Tank. It
Speaker 1: certainly sound there there's a contract dispute there. Armstrong, I think,
Speaker 1: much like m Dalton Schultz before he got tagged, Cedric
Speaker 1: Wilson for that matter, I think Dorrin's Armstrong is going
Speaker 1: to get a deal that kind of should showed more consistency.
Speaker 1: He used to be a guy that would play one
Speaker 1: game and then he would be gone for three. He
Speaker 1: played a lot better more consistently. I think he only
Speaker 1: had one fewer sack than Randy for all we talk
Speaker 1: about Randy Wow, whatever that's worth. And then and then
Speaker 1: there's Randy who I think the Cowboys are optimistic about
Speaker 1: what will happen, but they can't tag him, so he's
Speaker 1: going to hit free agency, and then who the hell
Speaker 1: knows what happens, And so you could be sitting here
Speaker 1: in a week and a half with DeMarcus Lawrence, who
Speaker 1: they're in a contract dispute with, and like Terrell Basham,
Speaker 1: and not a whole lot else, Like do you feel
Speaker 1: do you feel good about the prospect of addressing this
Speaker 1: with a meaningful pick this year? I think either way
Speaker 1: you're gonna leave out a position. I mean, you could
Speaker 1: look at your first two picks and you're gonna say, hey,
Speaker 1: we need a wide receiver right because of what's happening
Speaker 1: with a Maria, we need an offensive lineman in the
Speaker 1: interior to reboot what's going on there. At some point,
Speaker 1: something will be left out. Edge rusher will be left out,
Speaker 1: interior offensive line is going to be left out. Wide
Speaker 1: receiver is going to be left out. Now it's up
Speaker 1: to you to basically, it's the opposite of what the problem,
Speaker 1: the good problem has been the last couple of years
Speaker 1: of you've addressed these Now you can attack your board
Speaker 1: best player available. Now you have so many holes you
Speaker 1: have to address best player available, because that's how you
Speaker 1: fill those holes the right way. See that's you paint
Speaker 1: to me a very dangerous situation with what you talked
Speaker 1: about with these defensive ends. Because when this team has
Speaker 1: gotten in trouble, it's because they've tried to force some picks.
Speaker 1: And this is where I have this with the Jobo thing.
Speaker 1: You know, I just in my mind, could he be
Speaker 1: a great player? Yeah, he's just not very He hasn't
Speaker 1: had a lot of reps at it. You know, He's
Speaker 1: got the physical traits and the characteristics and everything you like,
Speaker 1: just not a lot of time at task. And so
Speaker 1: now I worry about them saying, well, man, we've got
Speaker 1: to have a defensive end like it say it does
Speaker 1: fall apart, say things with Tank falls apart, say things
Speaker 1: with Brandy doesn't get completely done like it needs to be.
Speaker 1: Now you're in a situation where you're going, well, who
Speaker 1: are defensive ends? And then it turns in do you
Speaker 1: have to draft a guy like Taco or somebody like that?
Speaker 1: We're or or not Taco but our other guy from
Speaker 1: Michigan that the Cowboys picked, Uh Taco talking. I was
Speaker 1: thinking Hill. I was thinking Hill. I was thinking Hill though,
Speaker 1: but Taco. Yeah, Tristan Hill was another but he was
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle. But the same thing, you know, the
Speaker 1: same thing where you're like, man, they're forced to have
Speaker 1: to go try and take this and where they've been
Speaker 1: really good the last couple of years, especially in the
Speaker 1: first round, He's just taking the best player on their board.
Speaker 1: And that scares me a little bit right now, especially
Speaker 1: about a player that that I that I know I
Speaker 1: have some questions about. Yeah, which and I'm sure they
Speaker 1: would say Micah Parsons is a piece of that puzzle.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're going to move him full time
Speaker 1: to defensive end, but he obviously provides pass rush. Still
Speaker 1: not enough to make me feel great about that. You either,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta come to some sort of like
Speaker 1: you got gonna sell us on Goldston and people like
Speaker 1: that they're gonna try. I mean, Ghoston is a good player.
Speaker 1: I just think he started off pretty well and then
Speaker 1: kind of faded on him a little bit. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: he's a rookie, I thought. I think for all the
Speaker 1: good that he did, I think Osa had a very
Speaker 1: similar rookie year if you go look at his production
Speaker 1: weeks one to six Verse Scout War down season. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it happens. I just think I'm terrified about what it
Speaker 1: might make them do in the draft if Tank Tank
Speaker 1: or Randy is gone, especially if both of them or
Speaker 1: some reason gone. Like if they're not in the plans
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty two, I think it leads to you
Speaker 1: doing something reckless and you're trying to tank at that point. No,
Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. I would feel a hell
Speaker 1: of a lot better if you told me Karloftis could
Speaker 1: be there at twenty four. That would help. That seems
Speaker 1: like the most real man. I'll tell you what I mean.
Speaker 1: You're starting to see him anywhere between sixteen and thirty.
Speaker 1: You know, he's one of the there's several guys greens
Speaker 1: that way. I mean, there's a lot the cowboys. It's
Speaker 1: gonna sound I don't mean to see bad way, but
Speaker 1: the player that they probably take is going to have
Speaker 1: some deficiencies to their game. They're gonna be good players,
Speaker 1: really good players, I think, but there's going to be
Speaker 1: something that's going to put them at that spot. Like
Speaker 1: we look at the linebacker. Okay, the kid from Georgia.
Speaker 1: He's short, he's five to eleven. You look at Lloyd
Speaker 1: and he didn't run particularly well, but you watch the
Speaker 1: tape and he runs really well. I mean, I love
Speaker 1: both those players. You know, the center, we we've talked
Speaker 1: Jeff and I and Dane last night we're talking about
Speaker 1: I've never seen a player like Linderbaum that has more
Speaker 1: deficiencies to his game that plays as well as he does.
Speaker 1: He's short armed, he's a small guy, you know, height wise,
Speaker 1: and he's not very big weight wise, but he but
Speaker 1: he makes it work. You know, there's there's there's going
Speaker 1: to be somebody that has some flaw, you know, Karloptus
Speaker 1: could be the situation with the arms, you know, like
Speaker 1: the arm length and stuff like that, that could be
Speaker 1: a problem, or athletic ability. But these are really really
Speaker 1: good players. And if you're taking him at twenty four
Speaker 1: and then you want to address what where do you
Speaker 1: go next? That's the other thing is that it might
Speaker 1: be point wide receiver, So then where do you go
Speaker 1: offensive line? That's when all of a sudden, you need
Speaker 1: to watch all these guys that are playing like tackle
Speaker 1: right now, the Ohio States guy and UCLA and all
Speaker 1: that those are all your third round those third round guys,
Speaker 1: and maybe swing over and Kid May's could be in
Speaker 1: that conversation out of Tennessee. I'm not gonna sell anybody
Speaker 1: that they will be exciting names, but they will add
Speaker 1: guys they always do. That's this conversation is going to
Speaker 1: change here, probably not over the next week, because the
Speaker 1: Cowboys don't dip into the expensive part of free agency
Speaker 1: here in in in two two, three weeks, we will
Speaker 1: have a better idea of like what they don't think
Speaker 1: they need versus what they do things. I feel like
Speaker 1: by next Thursday we might have a decent idea. By
Speaker 1: next Thursday we will know what's going on with a
Speaker 1: lot of their guys. That's a good point. But in
Speaker 1: terms of bringing in outside talent, I think the weight
Speaker 1: goes a little bit longer, a lot longer. Yeah, we'll see.
Speaker 1: We're we're just slowly marching our way through the draft process.
Speaker 1: That does it for this week. Jeff, you want to
Speaker 1: bring up sky Moore, just keep twenty four for sky More.
Speaker 1: I think half of our listeners are going to hate
Speaker 1: this bit and the other half you're gonna I see
Speaker 1: one thing real quick. If for Brian, there you go.
Speaker 1: If you he doesn't like Zion, no, I mean I
Speaker 1: haven't ye know, I have a couple guys right ahead.
Speaker 1: You got the The thing about it is, if you're
Speaker 1: doing mock drafts and you're sending them to us, just
Speaker 1: don't do it. Because we're talking about the guys that
Speaker 1: we like them. Do them because you like them, do
Speaker 1: them where you think this, And because I'm seeing a
Speaker 1: lot of mock drafts that kind of kind of mirror
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. That's what I'm saying. And I'm
Speaker 1: saying the same thing too. There's a lot if you know,
Speaker 1: when you're doing these mock drafts, you're gonna send him
Speaker 1: to me, and you think I'm gonna say, oh, that's
Speaker 1: a great mock draft, I'm probably gonna point out something
Speaker 1: that you missed or something like that. So I'm just
Speaker 1: giving you guys a little heads up. You're a tastemaker, Brian.
Speaker 1: It's just all there is. Pick all the guys I like,
Speaker 1: and I'll tell you you did good. You don't even
Speaker 1: look at the mock drafts. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1: You get tagged, gagged and all. They've got millions more
Speaker 1: mock drafts to do. We've got do your own mock draft.
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