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Speaker 1: This is a special episode of Crime Stories with Nancy

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Speaker 1: Grace Finding Chase Masner Episode four. This week marks three

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Speaker 1: years since her son, Chase Massner vanished in Cobb County.

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Speaker 1: Living the last three years with the not knowing and

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Speaker 1: without him here is pure hell. Chase Massner is an

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Speaker 1: a Rock War veteran, a husband, a father. His wife

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Speaker 1: told us she dropped him off at a quick trip

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Speaker 1: in Cobb County, where he works. His family says he

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Speaker 1: was last seen at a friend's house in Kennesaw three

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Speaker 1: years ago on March twenty seven, and it's like he

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Speaker 1: vanished from that home, not to be seen or heard

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Speaker 1: from again. If he was able to reach out to

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Speaker 1: any one of us, would he would. Despite some intense searching,

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Speaker 1: few clues have been found. She tells me that as

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Speaker 1: a mother, in her heart, she feels her son Chase

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Speaker 1: is dead. We have absolutely no answers, not even slightest

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Speaker 1: clue him. Three years, we're back at square one, Stephanie,

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Speaker 1: because we have to talk to Brown. That's the missing

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Speaker 1: link here. Now we know he has refused to polygraph

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Speaker 1: and then stated again he will take a polygraph. I'm

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Speaker 1: going looking for him, Okay, okay, Armed with nothing but

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Speaker 1: my iPhone, and I am going to find him. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna ask him what happened. I'm gonna see what story

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Speaker 1: he's gonna tell me, and we'll take it from there.

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Speaker 1: Will you take a polygraph with me? Meph yes, not

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Speaker 1: sitting right here. I'll set one up and just spent

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Speaker 1: the whole of your rest. I mean, I can if

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Speaker 1: that's what it takes. But it's just don't be afraid.

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Speaker 1: It's it's not a big deal. They're not hard at all.

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Speaker 1: I mean because now and then where you live kind

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Speaker 1: of right? So are we done? Then he's all the

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Speaker 1: way all the way here, dude, No man in my

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Speaker 1: Apartment's the story? No, I didn't know that. I want

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Speaker 1: to take a shower. The interview I don't want to take.

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Speaker 1: Imagine not knowing whether your child is dead or alive.

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Speaker 1: Imagine wondering every night when you put your head to

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Speaker 1: Is he hurting? Is he disoriented as he far from home?

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Speaker 1: Is he dead? This is crime stories. I Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 1: I am talking about missing young man, a husband and

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Speaker 1: father of two little girls, and I Rocky war Vett,

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Speaker 1: a son Chase Masner. For so long, his mother, Stephanie Gadina,

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Speaker 1: has wanted to speak to the last person to see

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Speaker 1: him alive. That person I called the wild card, Brad Clement,

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Speaker 1: the last person to see Chase alive. And now Stephanie

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Speaker 1: is going to join us to put those questions to

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Speaker 1: Brad Clements that she's wanted to ask for so long.

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Speaker 1: introduced Stephanie Kadena to Brad Clement in her search for

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Speaker 1: her son, Chase Masner. Stephanie, what you've been waiting for?

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Speaker 1: Brad the last person that as of right now we

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Speaker 1: know saw Chase alive. And I know you've got a

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Speaker 1: lot of questions hit it. Well, what was the last

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Speaker 1: thing Chase said to you? When was the last time

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Speaker 1: you talked to him? Oh, last time I talked to him?

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Speaker 1: I mean we were just talking about him and amand

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Speaker 1: just you know, again, I pretty much reiterated the fact

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Speaker 1: I mean that's all I would ever really tell him

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Speaker 1: But it was more like he told her that, you know,

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Speaker 1: And you know, I never all the PTSD stuff or

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Speaker 1: And that's that's another thing that you know, just bothered

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Speaker 1: Amanda or whatnot, or the stuff that she says, you know,

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Speaker 1: He asked me about getting some of them those paint pills,

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Speaker 1: What are they the roxy contents. Yeah, that's what I

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Speaker 1: in fact, did he mentioned that he had been arguing

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Speaker 1: It was only him an Amanda, Like I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: that if he would have said something about you know you,

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Speaker 1: so the day that he goes missing, you get up

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Speaker 1: go get some beer and he didn't have his license,

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00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 1: so he asked you to take him to the BP. Yeah. See,

429
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: I just want have bought him beer because I knew

430
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 1: he was twenty one and it was right there with

431
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,199
Speaker 1: the quick trip. We were talking about that earlier, and

432
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 1: I mean that that was just yeah, yeah, I mean

433
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: they knew he was on and like it's just you know,

434
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 1: just random stuff like that that you know, it's really

435
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 1: kind of respond to what everyone's saying about you on

436
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:30,440
Speaker 1: Facebook and social media. How do I respond just I

437
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 1: just you know, every time I've said anything, it's you know,

438
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 1: been turned around or you know I said this. You know,

439
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: I'm changing my story, and it's like my story might

440
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:41,480
Speaker 1: have changed by like an hour or something, just because

441
00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:43,560
Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly where I was at this point.

442
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 1: But it's been the same the whole time. I mean,

443
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,879
Speaker 1: and you know, I just try to stay away from

444
00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 1: the Facebook. Just I mean, it's how many times have

445
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 1: you talked to Detective Twigs? Oh? I talked to him

446
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,879
Speaker 1: a bunch, like right after, you know, anytime we call me.

447
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,560
Speaker 1: I talked to him, and I let him come to

448
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: my house, search my house, you know, when the dogs

449
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: came out, and let him walk around. Like I mean,

450
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,280
Speaker 1: There's there's been nothing that I've tried to like hold back,

451
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: you know, anything anyway that I could have helped, I've tried,

452
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:17,000
Speaker 1: you know, and I've I've done everything anybody's asked of me,

453
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: police wise, legal wise, and you know, yeah today when

454
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: I shut up the door, just open the door and

455
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 1: we went in, I mean, another preparation a warning. Brandon

456
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:32,679
Speaker 1: Duck said that he tripped over what looked like a

457
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,200
Speaker 1: grave in your backyard, and you said that he was

458
00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: your dog? Is that true? Yeah? Yeah, that's a little tiny, tiny,

459
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 1: tiny little stone that says uh bandit on it. Yeah,

460
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: and that was my my ex girlfriend's dog. So yeah,

461
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 1: but as I forgot about that's sad as my my dog.

462
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:55,440
Speaker 1: That's how I have my husky that I have now.

463
00:24:55,480 --> 00:25:01,960
Speaker 1: Actually that's like a whole nice story. So and he

464
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 1: swears if I hug came up, will take a lot

465
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 1: of doctor And I think you will. I mean, I

466
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 1: will kill it as I did. I mean, so I

467
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: don't really think he was the last person to say Chase.

468
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I wish I could tell you more. I

469
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: really do. I really wish I could tell you where

470
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: he was. I really did one bag right, so he

471
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: could have left with that a backpack he left? Was that.

472
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,080
Speaker 1: The only thing we haven't checked is that guy down

473
00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:37,480
Speaker 1: the street who we think if they still live there now, No,

474
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't. I want to out there, but I don't know.

475
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: Police have, probably because Chase I told police about Hi.

476
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 1: I told police about that. I did tell police that

477
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: dude was selling stuff and that Chase wanted to go

478
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: over there, right, So, I mean, do you even wanted

479
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: Chase money? I did, and This is the thing that

480
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:58,719
Speaker 1: strikes me. M if you gave him sixty dollars, he

481
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:00,960
Speaker 1: didn't go lead right then to go get whatever did

482
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:04,840
Speaker 1: because he went to sleep. Yeah, and usually he wasn't

483
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: like the record somebody did it, especially yeah, especially if

484
00:26:09,280 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: you're talking about gets some heroin or something you're gonna

485
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,879
Speaker 1: you don't go to sleep in hand believe, did he

486
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,760
Speaker 1: talk to you about heroin? I mean I didn't even

487
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: know he'd use heroin. I was never did. I mean,

488
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 1: like listen, I've never heard anything about him using heroine. Yeah,

489
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:30,920
Speaker 1: he won't, right, I never heard anything like that at

490
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: all before. And he I mean I was very aware

491
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 1: of their pot smoking because he would always say to me, Mom,

492
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: if you wouldn't just try pot and stop drinking wine,

493
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: you wouldn't be so much more healthy. So we would

494
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: have like a mother's son debate back and forth. Um,

495
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: it's not something he hid. But he never ever talked

496
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,679
Speaker 1: about using hard drugs. Just tell me, did he was

497
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,400
Speaker 1: he heroin? No? I mean that that was one thing

498
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 1: that like you know, and then ever mentioned to you

499
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,479
Speaker 1: that he was using heroin. No, I was never another

500
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,160
Speaker 1: score heroin around you. No, No, he would have there

501
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: were Chases um dealer back in in high school. I

502
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 1: did not even know him then. I mean like i'd

503
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 1: know Chase Gosh maybe a couple of months like when

504
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,719
Speaker 1: all this had happened. But no, I was never a

505
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 1: dealer to to people. And and did you know Clint Garrison?

506
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Was that his friend or was

507
00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 1: one of his friends? But no, I don't know any

508
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: of this night. Who was Alan? Alan was my roommate,

509
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: right okay, oh yeah, right right yeah, And he's the

510
00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,160
Speaker 1: one that started the whole heroin thing with me because

511
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: Fregan Um, he was doing the pills with them, and

512
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: uh like would basically hook them up with the roxy pills,

513
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:04,399
Speaker 1: Alan with hook Amanda and Chase with the roxy pills.

514
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: And he had like a pain pill you know, addiction

515
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: thing going on, and he knew that I had had

516
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,120
Speaker 1: them from when I was in my motorcycle wreck. And uh,

517
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: I mean he would always try to get me to

518
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: go back to like the pain clinics and stuff to

519
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: go get to get him so he could have him. Yeah,

520
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: and it's like right and uh and I mean that

521
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,200
Speaker 1: was you know, I never, like I said, wish that

522
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: upon anybody opiate addiction is one of the worst things

523
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 1: in the world. I mean that that's about killed me

524
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,360
Speaker 1: when I had to stop taking him. I mean it

525
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 1: was you know, I was on a lot. Do you

526
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: think Chase would have killed himself? No, no, there's not

527
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: one one part of me at all that things you

528
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:49,160
Speaker 1: would have done that, like, I mean just for his

529
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: little girl's sake. I mean, I know he loved this

530
00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 1: little girls like and there's no sidal. He wasn't even depressed.

531
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 1: I was happy. He was the three he was with me.

532
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: He was happy, he was loving. He would be pugged me.

533
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 1: He seemed like, if anything a man, it was bringing

534
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: him down and he wanted to get away from her.

535
00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: It was bringing him down. Like when she came to

536
00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: when she called him and she told him to get ready,

537
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: he did not want to go. He did not want

538
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: to go. And the closer she got, the more agitated

539
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,280
Speaker 1: he got. And then when she they were screaming in

540
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,280
Speaker 1: each other on the phone, and he was holding the

541
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: phone out like this because she was screaming aloud. And

542
00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: then she when she got there, he was telling her

543
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: that maybe it would be best if we wait till tomorrow,

544
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 1: something along those lines, and she was in the driveway.

545
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: She said, I'm in the effing drive driveway. What do

546
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,400
Speaker 1: you want me to do? So he just threw his

547
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:57,959
Speaker 1: phone down and started getting his stuff together. Is there

548
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: any reason that makes you think she picked Hi at

549
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 1: that night? Just because of you know the fact that

550
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: she never came over to my house to look for

551
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,000
Speaker 1: him there. That is like a big thing for me.

552
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 1: That and then the way she called when I talked

553
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: to her, when she called me and was almost just like,

554
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: you know, okay, he's not there, you know, just not

555
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: really caring. You know, it just didn't seem like it

556
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: was that important to her that he was missing. And

557
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 1: that's kind of you know, just you know, that's what

558
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: I was kind of talking about this morning, was you know,

559
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 1: why wouldn't she show up at my house and just

560
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: be like, you, look, where's Chase? If he that was

561
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: the last place that he was seeing and she knew

562
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 1: he was there, why wouldn't she just come over there

563
00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: and make sure you know that he wasn't there, Like

564
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: when she wouldn't know you, I would have been at

565
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: your door, yeah, and who you were? I mean, and

566
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: she knew there, she knew she'd been in the house

567
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,520
Speaker 1: a couple of times. She knew how to get there,

568
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: so that's what she says. She doesn't know how to

569
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 1: get there. That's that's bys like, she knew how to

570
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: get to my house. It's not very far from the

571
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:04,200
Speaker 1: Quirk trip and she had been there several times. And

572
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, just for her to call me

573
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 1: and tell me to come over to her house, you know,

574
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: instead of you know, the last place that he was

575
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: seen missing and you know, seriously looking for him, not

576
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 1: coming to my house like just was kind of a

577
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: red flag to me. And you know that's why I

578
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: always just thought this was going to just blow over

579
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,719
Speaker 1: and she would end up, you know, saying you know,

580
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: where he was or whatnot. And I mean I never

581
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 1: imagined it would have gone to this extent of him,

582
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, not being found or shown up like I just,

583
00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: you know, never realized it would, you know, come to

584
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: this what a day. I feel like a wet wash

585
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 1: rag just limp after hearing and seeing and experiencing what

586
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: all Stephanie Kadeena has been through even now in the

587
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: search for her son Chase mass Amanda, won't you come

588
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,200
Speaker 1: forward and talk to us, if not for you for

589
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 1: your daughters. They need to know their dad. They need

590
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: to know what happened to their dad. For their sake,

591
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Speaker 1: Chase Masner will be handed over to the Cobb County

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Speaker 1: District Attorney's Cold Case File Division, and I pray to

601
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: God they find answers. Do you have questions on Chase

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us. Goodbye, friend