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Speaker 1: Hey there, everybody. Welcome to Amy and TJ Presents. This edition,

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Speaker 1: we are talking about the first week in a long

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Speaker 1: awaited trial out of New Jersey, the Colts Neck murders trial.

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Speaker 1: These murders happened on November twentieth, twenty eighteen, so we

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Speaker 1: are now nearly eight years later. Finally Paul Canaro is

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Speaker 1: facing quadruple murder charges for the deaths of his brother,

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Speaker 1: his sister in law, his niece, and his nephew. And

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Speaker 1: so much attention has been on this case. There's arson involved,

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Speaker 1: there's money is the motive, but this is just a

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Speaker 1: tragic scene where, if it's true what prosecutors say happened,

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Speaker 1: it's one of the most disturbing, jaw dropping murder cases

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Speaker 1: we've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: The kids are eight and eleven, folks. Yes, he's accused

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Speaker 2: of killing his niece and nephew eight and eleven. The

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Speaker 2: mom and dad were shot, the eight and eleven you

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Speaker 2: were stabbed, including the niece. The eight year old stabbed

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Speaker 2: some seventeen times in her forty five pound body, as

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Speaker 2: the prosecutor put it. So when we say this is

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Speaker 2: a heinous crime, this is beyond a lot of headlines

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Speaker 2: true crime stories, and shocking crimes that we've seen. This

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Speaker 2: is a family story about a massacre and a man

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Speaker 2: we are watching every day sitting in argyle sweaters and

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Speaker 2: v nex and ties as a guy accused of being

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Speaker 2: capable of stabbing his own niece seventeen times. That's what

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Speaker 2: we're dealing with. So you say jaw dropping and shocking,

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Speaker 2: this is beyond comprehension.

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Speaker 1: You're wondering because cameras are in the courtroom. So that adds,

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Speaker 1: of course to the intrigue of this case, because you're

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Speaker 1: actually watching this man who, if true what prosecutors say

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Speaker 1: he did, you're looking at a monster who was posing

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Speaker 1: as a husband and a loving father. Now his family

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Speaker 1: has been in the courtroom supporting him, his wife, his daughter,

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Speaker 1: and that is of note. But he has been behind

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Speaker 1: bars for all these years waiting for his trial. There

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Speaker 1: were a lot of delays because of what evidence should

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Speaker 1: or should not be allowed. They also blamed COVID for

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Speaker 1: the delay. But this has been seven plus years where

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Speaker 1: he has waited for his time in court, and Paul

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Speaker 1: Canaro from the beginning has maintained his innocence and we

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Speaker 1: heard in opening statements this week what the defense is

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Speaker 1: going to be And this also was a curveball for

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Speaker 1: a lot of folks who have been following this case.

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Speaker 1: We heard prosecutors outline their evidence, which is significant, and

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Speaker 1: then you have Paul Canaro's defense team saying that because

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Speaker 1: because the evidence is so overwhelming, it's so conveniently overwhelming,

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Speaker 1: it can't be believed and they pointed to another suspect.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we see this in a lot of trials. Are

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Speaker 2: a lot of high profile ones as of late, but

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Speaker 2: over the years, I mean, you can just be a

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Speaker 2: casual watcher of news and crime and true crime, and

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Speaker 2: you know that jurors want to hear a motive for

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Speaker 2: a crime, and they also if you're saying you're not guilty,

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Speaker 2: they'd like to hear an alternative for what happened. And

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Speaker 2: this case, they are giving them one first of all,

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Speaker 2: saying it wasn't me, but be going beyond that, two,

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Speaker 2: we believe it with somebody else. But even going beyond that, three,

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Speaker 2: we have the other suspect for you and name them,

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Speaker 2: and it happens to be the other brothers. So three

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Speaker 2: and the one that's on trials is accusing the other

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Speaker 2: of doing the actual killing. This is a mess.

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Speaker 1: It is a mess. And when you hear about what

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Speaker 1: the motive is, that it's all about money. This seemingly

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Speaker 1: of the Canaros, Paul and Keith specifically, who were in

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Speaker 1: constantly in one another's homes, they vacationed together. They say

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Speaker 1: allegations that are in court, it's hard to get your

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Speaker 1: could be ripped apart in such a dramatic, horrific, bloody fashion.

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Speaker 1: So we heard we actually heard from Keith Canaro this

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Speaker 1: week in court, which was pretty remarkable, and the prosecution

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Speaker 1: saw Keith Canaro. It was captured on his home surveillance

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Speaker 1: the recordings of those calls that Keith made to his

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he sounded like he was the one who wanted

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Speaker 2: piece of that evidence. He was pissed. He was pissed

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Speaker 2: track him down for money. This has been an ongoing

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Speaker 2: a financial motive that this guy, Paul can Arrow had

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Speaker 2: a financial house of cards. He was about to lose

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Speaker 2: his way of life, yet no other way to make

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Speaker 2: up for the money he was about. So it had

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Speaker 2: It had at times been boring testimony because they have

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Speaker 2: to go through financial records and times and you have

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Speaker 2: not to be the again. But we are TV people

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Speaker 2: and their characters. You can still remember Cato Kalin's testimony.

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Speaker 2: You can how he was his personality. Frankly, we have

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Speaker 2: are going through files and whatnot. They warned us, Hey,

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Speaker 2: this is going to get a little tedious at times,

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Speaker 2: and it's going to be drawn out, but they have

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Speaker 2: to establish to us, meaning the jury, that this guy

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Speaker 2: had a reason to kill. And at this point, I

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Speaker 2: don't know how firm it's coming across right now because

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Speaker 2: the amount of money we're talking about, what a life

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Speaker 2: insurance policy and then another smaller amount seventy eight relatively

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Speaker 2: smaller amount for them, are the two issues. Is it

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Speaker 2: enough for him to want to.

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Speaker 1: Kill his whole family, right and.

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Speaker 2: Then burn down two mansions to try to cover it up.

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Speaker 1: That's man, that's pretty dramatic and a yes, desperation. So

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Speaker 1: what they are setting up is that Paul Canaro stole

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Speaker 1: about eighty thousand, seventy eight thousand, I think specifically from

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Speaker 1: borrowed against a life insurance policy, and there was some

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Speaker 1: other times where it looked like he absolutely took money

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Speaker 1: for himself. He paid some of it back, but at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, we're talking about seventy eight

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars. And then there was a larger issue that yes,

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Speaker 1: if his brother Keith died, and then Keith's wife died

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Speaker 1: and then Keith's children died, then there would be a

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Speaker 1: So those are the two financial issues right now. But

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Speaker 1: this phone call that was played out there were two

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Speaker 1: started about twelve hours before Keith Canaro would be murdered.

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Speaker 1: But he wants to know why his life insurance policy

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Speaker 1: He said, Paul, I need to know where the money went.

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Speaker 1: And this is about that missing seventy eight thousand dollars.

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Speaker 1: So at three point fifty pm, the day before Keith

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Speaker 1: Canaro was found murdered, he said, if you can send

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Speaker 1: the password, I'll do the research myself. Then he calls

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Speaker 1: Paul and do it. You don't have your TD login,

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Speaker 1: Give me the efing login. Give me the login, Paul,

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Speaker 1: wake the f up. And so he keeps calling Paul

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Speaker 1: by his name, he keeps dropping the F bomb profanity,

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Speaker 1: la I mean, he is upset. So then he's like

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Speaker 1: and you can't hear Paul, by the way, on the

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Speaker 1: other side, because this is just the surveillance camera where

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Speaker 1: you've got the video and the audio from Keith sums

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Speaker 1: But then he says, Paul, I'm worried. I need to

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Speaker 1: want an answer by eight pm. And that is the

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Speaker 1: last you hear from Keith. And then prosecutors say Paul

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Speaker 2: I mean, tell little coincidence that the timing of it

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Speaker 2: have a deadline night. That's that's pretty strong circumstantial evidence.

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Speaker 2: And that was a powerful moment in the court. Look,

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Speaker 2: a Perry Mason moment, but that was one. I think

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Speaker 2: that that worked for the prosecution. They made an impression.

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Speaker 2: They will remember that going into the germom.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and to hear to hear someone's voice and to

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Speaker 1: at and hearing him give his brother an ultimatum and

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Speaker 1: That has been a huge part of this week with

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Speaker 1: team definitely got a tongue lashing from the judge. But

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Speaker 1: we're also waiting to hear as we continue to watch

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Speaker 1: the prosecutors lay the groundwork for motive, we're waiting to

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Speaker 1: hear the defense's third brother theory. Welcome back everyone to

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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ presents where we are going over the

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Speaker 1: first week in a long way weighted trial of Paul Canaro.

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Speaker 1: He is accused of a quadruple homicide, murdering his own brother,

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Speaker 1: We heard from prosecutors who described how those children died

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Speaker 1: They described the fire that Paul then set, a slow

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Speaker 1: they were choking in smoke. That was that was hard

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Speaker 1: to take in. I can't imagine as a member of

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Speaker 1: the jury, You're hearing this from the prosecution and you're

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Speaker 1: looking across the room at this man who seems very

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Speaker 1: emotional wiping away tears in an argyle sweater vest. That's

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Speaker 1: got to be a moment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I look, I don't know what to make

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Speaker 2: of And to be honest with you, I was sitting

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Speaker 2: here and thinking about this. I was getting defense lawyers

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Speaker 2: mixed up. I'm be honest with you. We have been

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Speaker 2: seeing so many high profile trials here in the past

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Speaker 2: week or so, even in the latter months of last year.

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Speaker 2: I'm sitting here, I'm actually thinking about this case and remembering,

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Speaker 2: was Brendan Banfield's attorney. Oh no, that happened in the

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Speaker 2: Brian Walsh case. I'm actually getting scenarios and people mixed

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Speaker 2: up and who was wearing what, and who had the

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Speaker 2: female attorney and who had actually but this is another

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Speaker 2: one of those cases where you're there are so many

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Speaker 2: moments because of cameras to keep an eye on, to

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Speaker 2: where you don't have to rely on reading a news

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Speaker 2: outlet and saying, hey, this is the thing that jumps

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Speaker 2: you see human drama play out. And so I appreciate

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Speaker 2: that we have cameras in the courtroom for this one,

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Speaker 2: but it is telling the story in a way that

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Speaker 1: That's right, And prosecutors went over the details of why

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Speaker 1: Paul was in such financial straits. This is what we're

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Speaker 1: hearing more of this motive and as you pointed out

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Speaker 1: before the break, that jury's it's not required for prosecutors

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Speaker 1: to show motive, but it certainly helps the jury get

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Speaker 1: gets detailed Paul's bank accounts, I think he had nine

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Speaker 1: So it got a little it got a little testy

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Speaker 1: access we've had, and so we certainly appreciate you coming

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Speaker 1: along with us. We will continue to monitor. This trial

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Speaker 1: is expected to last several more weeks, and we again

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Speaker 1: are awaiting the defense's strategy. They said in opening statements

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Speaker 1: So we will continue to follow this trial bring you

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Speaker 1: all the details. Thank you as always for listening to

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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ Presents. I'm Amy Robock alongside TJ. Holmes.

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