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Speaker 1: Hey, Rams fans, Welcome to Between the Horns. It's February

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Speaker 1: twenty seven, twenty nineteen. I'm Serena Morales filling in for

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Speaker 1: my best friend Miles Simmons alongside DeMarco. Far DeMarco, you're laughing,

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Speaker 1: but I we just talked about this. Miles is my

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Speaker 1: best friend. He just doesn't know it. Oh he doesn't,

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Speaker 1: he's not aware yet. Oh do you need to tell

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Speaker 1: somebody like you know, you're my best friend? Or how

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Speaker 1: does that usually work? Oh? I think if you say

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Speaker 1: a lie enough, it becomes the truth. It's starting to

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Speaker 1: becomes scary. Serena, you know, maybe we should let Miles

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Speaker 1: in on this. Hey Miles, by the way, when you

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Speaker 1: listen to this podcast, yeah, your BF. You know what

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Speaker 1: what's happening? What's happening season? Yeah, Miles is hanging out

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Speaker 1: in the combine. Yeah. Now we're hanging out in Agora Hills. Oh.

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Speaker 1: I wish I could coss on this podcast because he

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Speaker 1: went to Saint Elmo's last night. Oh yeah, I hear.

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Speaker 1: That's the popular spot in Indi. Yeah, it's the spot

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Speaker 1: the foods, that's where everybody goes. It's it's it's like

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Speaker 1: football all under one roof. Well, yeah, all the movers

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Speaker 1: and shakers, all the the the what do you call it,

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Speaker 1: the people you can place a name in a face with.

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Speaker 1: They're all going to be there, including Miles, including Miles,

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Speaker 1: well maybe not Miles, and a bunch of really talented

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Speaker 1: football players. Yeah. So I always get this question. It

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Speaker 1: tries me insane. What are you doing the off season? Serena?

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Speaker 1: And I'm like, fart, I do a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: in the off season, so I should ask you the same.

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Speaker 1: I can't curse. It just seems like the closest thing

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to agree with me. Okay, got it? Moving on. Yes,

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Speaker 1: the off season's busy. We get the COMBA, a free agency,

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Speaker 1: got the draft, We got a ton of stuff that

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Speaker 1: I feel like people don't realize busier. Even the players

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Speaker 1: like Aaron Donald is working out just as hard in

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh right now. Is yeah, he does it in the

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Speaker 1: regular season. It's in the off season. Especially like when

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Speaker 1: you're doing this job, this side of football. I mean,

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Speaker 1: there's new names to learn and oh yeah, eighty to

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Speaker 1: ninety percent you'll probably never say again, but you need

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Speaker 1: to know everybody and talk about everything, and you know,

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Speaker 1: about the salary cap. When you get into September, who

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Speaker 1: cares about the salary cap? Right, no one cares. But

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Speaker 1: I mean this time of year you have to worry

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Speaker 1: about it when words like supplemental draft picks come in.

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Speaker 1: You know that that sort of stuff. You have to

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Speaker 1: know about, all that stuff, compensatory picks. It's a busy

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Speaker 1: time of year, no doubt. It is a name that

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Speaker 1: we do know very well. Andrew Whitworth there's some news, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: says he's gonna stay for the next season. He tweeted

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Speaker 1: yesterday morning, a ship is safe in the harbor, but

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Speaker 1: that's not what ships are built for. Wow, my man. Wow. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and you actually tweeted for the first time and I

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Speaker 1: think a hundred years about way yesterday. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: every now and then. Yeah, big wit coming back. I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know, thank god. It's awesome. From a team's standpoint,

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Speaker 1: I know Jared Goff is happy your blindside is protected.

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Speaker 1: I know Sean McVay has to be over the moon

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Speaker 1: because that's one less guy you have to teach. Right,

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Speaker 1: you can just keep going and have some continuity. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's that's a big deal to work in a new

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Speaker 1: left tackle even if he's already on the roster. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a big deal going from one starter to the other,

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Speaker 1: especially trying to replace that that sort of experience. So

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Speaker 1: having him come back is awesome. Um, you know it

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Speaker 1: was going to take a while. That loss in Atlanta

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Speaker 1: was hard on everybody. I mean, that's rough, especially for

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Speaker 1: a get like him who's been doing it thirteen years

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Speaker 1: and here you are in the Super Bowl and that's

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Speaker 1: the way it ends for you. So you got to

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Speaker 1: go do some soul searching. But I'm getting I'm glad

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Speaker 1: that when he did that soul search the fire was

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Speaker 1: still there to come back for year fourteen. Well, I'll

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Speaker 1: pick some experience off of you, because in ninety nine

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Speaker 1: to win a Super Bowl, oh okay, yeah, the other

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Speaker 1: thing because we all we play to win the chip, right,

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Speaker 1: that's what you do. But in ninety nine, you guys

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Speaker 1: the year before that, ninety eight, what was the rest stink?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, we didn't stink. Um, it was Atlanta's year.

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Speaker 1: That year ninety eight they went to the Super Bowl. Um.

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Speaker 1: So it was funny when I came in, the Niners

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Speaker 1: In ninety eight Atlanta got hot, went to the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: so we weren't very good and then we got great quickly. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which you could say from the two years to now

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Speaker 1: to what the team has become, is there you know,

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Speaker 1: from from a player perspective, is it like I got

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Speaker 1: a I gotta just do it because I what else

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Speaker 1: tell you what, man, I mean, me and a champion

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Speaker 1: is in this league is awesome. It's everything. It's it's

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Speaker 1: it's the next greatest thing other than going to the

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. And I would bet some Hall of

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Speaker 1: famers would want that championship because I mean, it's so

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Speaker 1: hard to get, it's so elusive. A lot of things

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Speaker 1: have to go right. Um, So I can only imagine

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Speaker 1: what and I never really had to what Tennessee felt.

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Speaker 1: I know how I feel winning that Super Bowl. I

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Speaker 1: can only imagine how they felt losing it. So it's

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Speaker 1: got to be, you know, a tough pill to swallow.

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Speaker 1: It's you get all the way up the mountain and

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Speaker 1: then you you don't get to the summit. You know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, You're two steps from it and you

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Speaker 1: don't make it. That's gotta be tough when you think

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Speaker 1: about you know what it takes to get back there.

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Speaker 1: So you knew WIT's decision was going to take a minute.

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Speaker 1: Let him go home, think about it, talk to his family,

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Speaker 1: and see if you really want to go through this again. Um,

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Speaker 1: about a guy that's coming back for you, fourteen says

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Speaker 1: team to have him back because he's great. I would

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Speaker 1: also say Sean McVeigh has something to do with the

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Speaker 1: fact that he rests players more often than other coaching stats. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: funny man on the way over, because I knew i'd

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Speaker 1: I knew this was Covin. Yeah, I just I knew.

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Speaker 1: So I called Jackie Slater, one of my old teammates.

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Speaker 1: I said, who knows about year fourteen? Okay, Jackie's name

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Speaker 1: came up. Jackie's been through well, who would know fourteen

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Speaker 1: So we had a great conversation on the way over,

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Speaker 1: and he said something interesting about his career. The older

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Speaker 1: different mindset. But I mean, when you're talking about older guys,

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Speaker 1: a ton of sense. He says, the only time he

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Speaker 1: so he needed more reps to be able to play

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Speaker 1: well at this age. It's funny, right, you think the

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Speaker 1: Everybody practices everybody, so Jackie said, he liked that. Keeps

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Speaker 1: I thought I needed to play at one hundred miles

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Speaker 1: an hour because that's how I play, right. I need

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Speaker 1: The offense doesn't want you to put here. How many

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Speaker 1: just I have to practice your honor. You're off right,

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Speaker 1: And some of these veteran dudes just did not want

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Speaker 1: camp speed. Were you trying to make the team? Yeah, okay, Well,

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Speaker 1: like guys like Aaron Donald, that speed never leaves even

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Speaker 1: which would give Andrew Whitworth some leg rests, some physical rest.

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Speaker 1: He was still watching, He's still obviously in the meetings. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but they rest more because they value the mental rep

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Speaker 1: that a player gets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm hoping Wit,

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Speaker 1: like Jackie when I came out, when the veteran guy

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Speaker 1: calls you out, boy, it's a scary, scary deal, like

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, So I hope Wit calls out

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Speaker 1: every youngster of the Rams have. Yeah, you know and Wit,

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Speaker 1: we both know him well. You know. I would say

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Speaker 1: you listen, right, Like that's kind of Wits. But I

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Speaker 1: mean imagine him like this year being like, Yo, this

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Speaker 1: could be my last year. I'm not messing around anymore.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to speak up a little more. And maybe,

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Speaker 1: Funny man, I mean think about well, think about like

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Speaker 1: but they're also freelancing at the same time, so if

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Speaker 1: they miss on the freelance, they don't violate the entire defense.

421
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Speaker 1: That's where some guys go wrong, when they're justlers and

422
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 1: they gamble and they miss and they violate the entire defense,

423
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:53,560
Speaker 1: and then it's a big player or a touchdown. Guys

424
00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:57,679
Speaker 1: that like Patrick Peterson in Arizona a great example. Every

425
00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:00,120
Speaker 1: now and then, when he's in position to make a play,

426
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,560
Speaker 1: he'll make it. He'll never take himself out of position

427
00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:05,360
Speaker 1: to be a playmaker, all while playing the defense cold. Yeah,

428
00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 1: that's what makes him great. Yeah, I would say too

429
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:12,200
Speaker 1: you know, just in general, having a new you know,

430
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,520
Speaker 1: a new coach could lend to new eyes on the

431
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,520
Speaker 1: way that we handle everything. I mean, our defense is

432
00:21:16,560 --> 00:21:19,240
Speaker 1: already very good. We've seen that on paper. We've seen

433
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,600
Speaker 1: the great season Aaron Donald had. But also, you know,

434
00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,200
Speaker 1: look at someone like Dante Fowler at a great season

435
00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:27,920
Speaker 1: and came in midway like that that first Saints game

436
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,920
Speaker 1: and showed up. Yeah. Man, yeah, you know, I'd love

437
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,679
Speaker 1: to see, like what it would be like to be

438
00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,280
Speaker 1: with him or have him on a defense for sixteen

439
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 1: weeks when he's the guy. Yeah, in Jacksonville he was

440
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 1: kind of one of he was in the mix. Yeah,

441
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,280
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, always fighting for that gig.

442
00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 1: But just to have him as your guy for sixteen weeks,

443
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 1: I wonder what results that net and balances Aaron will

444
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:54,080
Speaker 1: to me what I see in the field. Like even

445
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,720
Speaker 1: talking to Dante and Aaron, the two of them were like, well,

446
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,000
Speaker 1: because he's doing things, I've got to show up even

447
00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 1: more so now, Yeah, you know, I don't know what's

448
00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:04,520
Speaker 1: more fun or what was more fun watching like Aaron

449
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 1: away from Fowler. Because Aaron would catch the slide, they

450
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,919
Speaker 1: would send most protection that way, so there's a natural

451
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: one on one to the backside with Fowler. Yeah, and

452
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,919
Speaker 1: either a tight end or a running back or a

453
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,120
Speaker 1: tackle that he could be or watching those two guys

454
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 1: on the same side, and it's just a straight up

455
00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:24,199
Speaker 1: one hundred meter dash up the field. You know, you know,

456
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 1: can you handle that left guard? Left tackle? So um, yeah,

457
00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 1: I mean I would love to see what that. I

458
00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 1: wonder what that would be if you had him for

459
00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 1: sixteen weeks. I wonder how many or what sort of

460
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 1: production you can get. If I look in the division,

461
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Speaker 1: I say, I bet it looks a lot like Frank

462
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 1: Flank excuse me, Frank Clark in Seattle. Yeah, same guy,

463
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: high energy. Um, you know, plays with a lot of speed,

464
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 1: a lot of intensity. I bet it looks a lot

465
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:54,119
Speaker 1: like that. Okay. So Eric Anderson has his word carved

466
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Speaker 1: out from absolutely And finally, Zach Robinson will be the

467
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Speaker 1: new assistant quarterbacks coach. This is his first NFL coaching gig,

468
00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,800
Speaker 1: which I find him to be like the outlier. And

469
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: again Jared will have now his fourth coaching quarterbacks coach.

470
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Speaker 1: Although he does have experience in the NFL. It's not

471
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Speaker 1: like we're bringing Zach Robinson out of nowhere, but came

472
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,639
Speaker 1: recently from Pro Football Focus as an analyst. Was a quarterback,

473
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Speaker 1: you know it was a quarterback at Oklahoma State. Yeah,

474
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:26,199
Speaker 1: um worked with Dez Bryant. You know, played with Dez Bryant.

475
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 1: So it's not like he's I'm not saying like this

476
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,879
Speaker 1: guy doesn't deserve a job, but it's interesting, this is

477
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: a first coaching career. It also, I think lends to

478
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,160
Speaker 1: the rams away of let's take a chance on this guy.

479
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 1: Let's take a chance on having the youngest coach in

480
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Speaker 1: the NFL. Let's take a chance on mixing you know,

481
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 1: Wade Phillips with a Sean McVay. Let's let's change the

482
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: way we think about these sort of logical steps. Let's

483
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: change it up. Well, I remember him at Oklahoma State

484
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,520
Speaker 1: because it's funny. When I first started in TV and radio, Yeah,

485
00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 1: I covered a lot of Big twelve, right, so I

486
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: talked a lot about him and became a fan of

487
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: of I think it's Mike Gundi coach Oklahoma State. Every

488
00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: year that yeah, I'm forty mullet with the mullet love

489
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: that guy. But every year, that guy has one of

490
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 1: the best offenses in college football. Every single year. The

491
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:19,120
Speaker 1: names changed, but the production doesn't. So yeah, obviously he's

492
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:21,639
Speaker 1: onto something offensively. So if you can pull from that,

493
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: if you're Sean McVeigh, or at least have a guy

494
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: that's run that sort of offense, that understand those understands,

495
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,199
Speaker 1: those concepts, and you can convey that, relay that to

496
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,560
Speaker 1: Jared Goff to make him better, so be it. Absolutely.

497
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,679
Speaker 1: And it's not like you're taking him from like, you know,

498
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: an option offense. You know, it's it's not like something

499
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Speaker 1: that doesn't fit that actually fits with what McVeigh wants

500
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Speaker 1: to do or what he is doing offensively. And I

501
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,199
Speaker 1: think it'll balance out to again having McVeagh as a

502
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: coach who empowers his players and his coaches. You know,

503
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: someone who comes with more out of an analytical background

504
00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,200
Speaker 1: could then lends a perspective that we don't have yet

505
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: on this coaching staff, no doubt. I mean, you know,

506
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:04,680
Speaker 1: the the nerds side of football. You know, it's it's

507
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,560
Speaker 1: gaining ground. I'll tell you this. I was dead wrong

508
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 1: about fantasy way back. Oh yeah, oh god, this will

509
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: never take off. This is stupid, This will be gone

510
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:15,760
Speaker 1: in five years now. It's everything now it's everything you know.

511
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 1: So look, but the number side is climbing big time

512
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: dead wrong, Oh my god, speaking of analytical everything, the combine,

513
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 1: which you know, you're really breaking down players and their

514
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:37,520
Speaker 1: spirits everything. Did you go to the comments? Yes? Okay, yeah,

515
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:40,639
Speaker 1: it was. It was fun. It was it was fun.

516
00:25:40,920 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, okay, So let's take this room. There's

517
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,479
Speaker 1: only three of us in here right now, right, so

518
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,639
Speaker 1: what's up Glen? But let me send you outside and

519
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,680
Speaker 1: then announce your name, and then you walk in here

520
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 1: and like spandex holding X rays and let you stand

521
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: on a table and then have people just fire questions

522
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 1: at you about your your health history. How fun do

523
00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,879
Speaker 1: you think that? It's not awkward at all. This is

524
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 1: the most normal situation you could possibly be. It's the

525
00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 1: weirdest thing in your life. You can't prep anyone for

526
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 1: that kind of thing, right, not even close, not even close.

527
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:16,800
Speaker 1: And it means everything. Yeah, it does. How you perform.

528
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: There could be the difference between being drafted and undrafted,

529
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: you know, or or being drafted the first round and

530
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: going to the fourth. It means a lot. I spoke

531
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Speaker 1: to a couple of the guys on the team m

532
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 1: Josh Reynolds and Nikel Roby Coleman. Nikel actually told me

533
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: that he had a terrible forty and he was you know,

534
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 1: he went undrafted, but you know he was just he

535
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: was like the way that he recalled his combine and

536
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,360
Speaker 1: the success he's had in this league, it was it

537
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 1: was like it happened yesterday. It was just like, oh,

538
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,880
Speaker 1: he had done all the other drills first and then

539
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: ran the forty and he was just wiped. And he's like,

540
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have ran. Some guys choose not to. But

541
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: you know, it's funny because it's it's a test that

542
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 1: when she it's like the sat He's like, you just

543
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:03,719
Speaker 1: got to get you know, a minimum to get into college.

544
00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,800
Speaker 1: You're just gonna need a minimum to get into the league.

545
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: You made it to the league, and yet that still

546
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: stands out. It's funny. I mean, you have to balance both.

547
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,400
Speaker 1: You have to watch the film of the guy playing football.

548
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,160
Speaker 1: That matters more to me than the combine. Yeah, but

549
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 1: if you see a guy that jumps off the screen

550
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 1: when you watch the football tape, that should match when

551
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:24,639
Speaker 1: you see him in the combine. You know, regardless of

552
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:26,639
Speaker 1: how fast he does cone drills or how fast he

553
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 1: runs or how much he bench presses. If he looks good,

554
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: he should at least look good here too. Now, if

555
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:35,440
Speaker 1: one's off, like if he looks bad on film, what

556
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: playing football? But he looks great at the combine, Yeah,

557
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 1: that's scary. And vice versa two. If he looks great

558
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: on the field but he stinks out here, there's something

559
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 1: wrong here. So you're looking for a balance somewhere. But

560
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,680
Speaker 1: it matters a whole lot. This is the only test

561
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:52,840
Speaker 1: that you're preparing for. So if you look bad here,

562
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,960
Speaker 1: what have you been doing since you've ended your college season? Sure?

563
00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 1: You know that means some guys have been taking it

564
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: more seriously than others. That matters. Miles is obviously holding

565
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,399
Speaker 1: it down at the combine for us right now, and

566
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: we're going to hear from Lesson coach tomorrow Thursday. But

567
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, is there anything that you would see We

568
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:15,239
Speaker 1: talk a lot about edge rushers, you know, being an

569
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 1: addition to our team, maybe a DV or you know,

570
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on just overall guys that we

571
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 1: could be looking for out there? H salivating If you're

572
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: looking for edge guys, there's a ton of them. In

573
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: this draft, defensive line, edge rushers, linebackers, there's a ton

574
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: If that's what you're in the market for. Thank god,

575
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 1: you're not in the market for quarterback. You don't have

576
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,120
Speaker 1: to get in that mix. Oh god, that's stunk. That

577
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 1: is the cool thing about having Jerry Goffit quarterback. At

578
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: least you know who the guy is. You know who

579
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,280
Speaker 1: he is, and he's developing the way that we've wanted

580
00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: him to and everything is a okay, Oh my god.

581
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,120
Speaker 1: I can give you a list, but I mean there's

582
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 1: a lot of talent out there, so it just depends.

583
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: I'll ask you. I mean, what do you think Michah

584
00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: Kaiser gives you yea, yeah, yeah, Jonathan Franklin, Myers, Sebastian,

585
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 1: Joseph Day. These are guys that have had a red

586
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 1: shirt ear so to speak, that are already here. So

587
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:05,600
Speaker 1: what do you think of them? How are they going

588
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 1: to make the jump? Obo? We haven't seen him at

589
00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:12,320
Speaker 1: all the season? Yeah? What is he? Who is hyped up? Yeah? Right?

590
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 1: I mean, so, I mean you have to KOs exactly. So,

591
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 1: I mean, but I'll tell you this, in the draft

592
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,960
Speaker 1: right now, there are a lot of guys that can

593
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: come in and play right away. So either you're gonna

594
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: take them with somebody else is going to So either

595
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna teach them how to get to the quarterback

596
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: for you, or you're gonna have to get somebody to

597
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:33,680
Speaker 1: protect them, protect your quarterback against them, right, yeah, I

598
00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: mean speaking of you know, just overall addresses. Right, Like

599
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: Dante Fowler, I would hope that we bring back. He's

600
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: a free agent. I hope we bring them back. But

601
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 1: you know, guys like Matt Longacre dom easily Sampson Abcome

602
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: has had a really good season, but he's I don't

603
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: know if he's on and off as he's had good games,

604
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 1: he's had okay games, but I think he has developed

605
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: as expected to some degree. Would you say yeah? I

606
00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: mean if a game that stands out to me most

607
00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: is Chiefs game, you know, like man sides to a

608
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: Rubik's cube. How many sides are there? I don't know.

609
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: I'm dyslexic. Four six four four sides? Ye? More, it's

610
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: a cube? Yeah, four sides? Right? Yeah? But each way,

611
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: that's what I mean. Six. I'm sorry, how can we

612
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: cut this out of cube? Keep it in? I will?

613
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: He's like he's a rubiscube. If they're four, let's just

614
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 1: let's just say there are four sides to a Rubik's

615
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: cube until we figured this out for certain I told

616
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Speaker 1: you it's not that easy to think. Are you gonna

617
00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: look this up? Cheat? Oh? Okay, technically, if we can

618
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: just assume that a Rubik's cube is four sides, right,

619
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Speaker 1: you give the most Complicatedly, it seems like he's got

620
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: three sides done. He's almost there. I mean, the guy's

621
00:30:50,320 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: got tenacity. They're six sides, okay, so he's got five.

622
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 1: He's got tenacity, he's got intensity, he's strong enough at

623
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Speaker 1: the point of attack. Uh, he rush pretty well, you know,

624
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: off the edge. He's got some speed off the edge. Yeah,

625
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 1: I mean, hellove, guys on defense you can score. Going

626
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: into his next season, let's hope he takes it a

627
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: step beyond because he improved year one, year two, he's improving.

628
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: Let's hope he keeps improving. What would you give what

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Speaker 1: would you recommend a guy going into the combine? Like,

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Speaker 1: what would be like, hey, do this and you're gonna

631
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Speaker 1: be okay, don't be overwhelmed by the moment, you know,

632
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Speaker 1: like nikel Robie Coleman or do what you can do.

633
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Speaker 1: I mean, make sure you prepare number one and make

634
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 1: sure you pay yourself. I'll tell you where I lost it.

635
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: I'm getting ready to run the forty right, so I'm

636
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Speaker 1: I'm getting ready to get in a three point stance

637
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Speaker 1: and take off right. And I look up and there's

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Speaker 1: Al Davis. I grew up in the Bay Area, right,

639
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Speaker 1: and he's looking at me, and it kind of threw

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Speaker 1: me off for a minute. And this is probably your

641
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Speaker 1: first time also experiencing like guys with that stature. Yeah,

642
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Speaker 1: I mean coming from college, big time college. But I

643
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Speaker 1: mean just seeing Al Davis, he's evaluating you, He's looking

644
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: right at you. Wow. That kind of threw me me personally. Um,

645
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Speaker 1: the the the vertical jump pit, right, the guy that

646
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: ran the vertical jump pit when I was doing it

647
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 1: coming out in nineteen ninety four was mean Joe Green.

648
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I was like, how do you remember this.

649
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,680
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'd remember the time. Yeah, It's just like wow,

650
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: it just kind of threw me. So just be prepared

651
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Speaker 1: for the moment um. You know. It's something you tell

652
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Speaker 1: rookies when they take the field for the first time.

653
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: Don't be overwhelmed. By the moment. You know, it's the league,

654
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: understand that, Now get to performing. That's what I would say. Yeah.

655
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Speaker 1: I mean, also just in general, right, like our our draft,

656
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 1: so we've got a large gap between the first and

657
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 1: second picks, where like thirty one and then ninety four.

658
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,560
Speaker 1: So I don't like the way that you know, someone

659
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: like last now four now right, this is recorded one nineteen. Yeah,

660
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 1: you can change at any moment rounders. Yeah, but for

661
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,240
Speaker 1: last need I mean, and I would say, you know,

662
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Speaker 1: this is my first season full season with the Rams,

663
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Speaker 1: but I thought he did a great job last season

664
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Speaker 1: bringing in the guys that he did and trading that

665
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: first round pick because we got someone like Brandon Cooks

666
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: out of it. But just in general, you know, how

667
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: could a guy like that really plan for again that gap,

668
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: especially if they're looking for one specific kind of gap

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00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 1: that maybe we need to fill. Yeah, even if you

670
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 1: won the Super Bowl, I would say, keep your foot

671
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: on the gas, keep the team evolving, and keep improving

672
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 1: the football team. Yeah, you have to, that's the only

673
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 1: way to do it. So we'll find out what he's

674
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Speaker 1: thinking and what he thinks of certain people and where

675
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 1: you feel you can get upgrades after free agency and

676
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: after the draft. We're gonna find out soon. I think

677
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 1: it's almost useless to speculate about what he might be thinking.

678
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: But we're gonna find out soon. But I would say

679
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 1: this as far as has been mentality, keep your foot

680
00:33:56,000 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: on the gas, be aggressive. Yeah, you have been. Stay aggressive.

681
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Speaker 1: Personality too, I would say has been a huge win.

682
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: Like just locker room wise, just the way that certain

683
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: guys seem to just fit really well in this locker room.

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Speaker 1: Being a student of the game, like a guy like

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Speaker 1: Cooper Cup, Brandon Cooks, Robert Woods are all. I mean,

686
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: those guys are really smart football players, but also very

687
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,399
Speaker 1: they're kind people. They are very nice guys to be around, right,

688
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: Like I think that has been at least in my

689
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,760
Speaker 1: experience around the NFL, is something very unique to the RAMS.

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Speaker 1: If you're making a decision on a guy and the

691
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 1: only thing that comes up is he's a great locker

692
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Speaker 1: room guy, you can let him go, okay, because the

693
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 1: only thing that matters is Sean mcvay's attitude. Okay, Okay, Yeah,

694
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Speaker 1: he's the guy in the locker room, so you're it's

695
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: all going to filter through him. So you're looking for

696
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Speaker 1: a performance, and this time of year, you're looking for value.

697
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean when you start stacking guys and

698
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Speaker 1: this is everybody how they perform versus where they're being paid.

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00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: Sometimes decision is easy. You can probably get this for

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00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: a whole lot less someplace else. Yes, yeah, And it's

701
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,840
Speaker 1: also it's different because you're getting a rookie who's going

702
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: to be like, yes, sir, you got it. Like who's

703
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: going to come into the NFL versus say, a free

704
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: agent like a Dante Fowler is like, look, I know

705
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: what you can do, but do work with our system. Right,

706
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: there's the difference. So yeah, I don't care if you're

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Speaker 1: a locker room guy, if you're a rookie, because you're

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Speaker 1: going to be by the time I finished with you

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Speaker 1: in a season. Yeah, you know, I can replace a

710
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:29,160
Speaker 1: veteran on defense easier than I can on offense. I

711
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: think that's that's league wide. You can give a kid

712
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: on defense a list of directives. Don't do this, don't

713
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Speaker 1: do this, just do that and get similar production to

714
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Speaker 1: a guy that just left who went to the Pro Bowl.

715
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 1: Why is that? That's just the way the game is played,

716
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's just a little bit easier on

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Speaker 1: that side. When you're in the read and react business

718
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 1: versus the team that's initiated initiating, it's a little bit different.

719
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Speaker 1: So I think you can go cheaper on that side

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00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: of the ball, if that makes sense. Yeah. Yeah, And

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Speaker 1: that's what we're looking for as long as you have

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Speaker 1: a good offensive back it up. Yea, which we have

723
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Speaker 1: proven to have. Yes, And hopefully with the guys that

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Speaker 1: we keep and now having Witworth back and you know,

725
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Speaker 1: seeing how things you know lay out in the free

726
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: agency world, we'll see, we will. We've got a lot

727
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: of news that we're all up in the air right now.

728
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 1: But that's why the offseason is not. Let me say

729
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: this before we go off. I want Sue back, Yeah yeah,

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Speaker 1: for this reason only. I don't want to play against

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Speaker 1: him fair. Yeah, and he's I think he's done. I mean,

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Speaker 1: especially those last two games of the season, like wow,

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Speaker 1: he really showed up and I think he's shown that

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Speaker 1: his value has been added. I also think it took

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Speaker 1: some stress off Air and Donald this season and having

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Speaker 1: you know, again a consistent, consistent D line yeah be wonderful,

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00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: no doubt. Yeah, I think he h yeah, he stole

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Speaker 1: the the the leader of the herds, so to speak.

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00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 1: You know what I mean. Like he's turned back a

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00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: lot of challenges. He just happens to be playing to

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00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 1: the guy that is on top. So you've got one

742
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: and two. I'd love to have those two stay together.

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Speaker 1: All right. Yeah you heard it here first, but thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us on Between the Horns. You can stay

745
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 1: up to date on all things combine, free agency, the

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Speaker 1: draft at the rams dot com. I don't care what

747
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: Miles wears. Somebody you asked for questions and they said,

748
00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,879
Speaker 1: like wardrobe consultant, I could care less what he wears. Good,

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Speaker 1: come on,