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Speaker 1: Tragic incident for Southwest Arkansas infant just fifteen days old.

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Speaker 1: Kansas judge ordering a teen couple to have no contact

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Speaker 1: with their children after police say their infant was severely

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Speaker 1: bitten by rats in their home. Her parents are in

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Speaker 1: jail after the child was severely bitten up to one

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Speaker 1: hundred times by rats. In the emergency room, nurse told

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Speaker 1: the investigators that the fifteen day old baby had suffered

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Speaker 1: bite wounds on her arms, face, fingers, and hands. This

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Speaker 1: is crime Stories with Nancy Grace, nineteen year old Erica

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Speaker 1: stry rock In an eighteen year old Charles Elliott of

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Speaker 1: Magnolia facing charges of permitting abuse and endangering the welfare

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Speaker 1: of a child. Investigators say both parents admitted they knew

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Speaker 1: rid of them. The injury is so bad she needs

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Speaker 1: reconstructive surgery on her face. But this case is about

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Speaker 1: is some faithfulness world don't need to be parents. Parents

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Speaker 1: arrested after their fifteen day old baby is found covered

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Speaker 1: in one hundred rat bites. Repeat, parents arrested after their

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Speaker 1: fifteen day old baby girl is found covered in one hundred,

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Speaker 1: one zero zero rat bites. I'm Nancy Grace, this is

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Speaker 1: crime stories. Thank you for being with us. This is

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Speaker 1: so painful to even discuss. But that's the thing about justice.

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Speaker 1: You can't turn away from it. You have to face

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Speaker 1: it head on and try to do something about it.

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Speaker 1: This little baby girl, fifteen days old, was found in

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Speaker 1: a blood soaked crib, weighing just five pounds. The parents,

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Speaker 1: Erica Shyrock and Charles Elliott, now charged with child endangerment.

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Speaker 1: I think the charges should be much more severe than

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Speaker 1: child endangerment. There was all so an inch wide gash

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Speaker 1: see a portion of her skull. Okay, the police searched

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Speaker 1: the couple's Arkansas home. They found her crib. It was

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Speaker 1: bloody and there were rat paw prints, a baby's blood

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Speaker 1: soaked hat, a blanket was blood on it, and rat feces.

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Speaker 1: That's where the little girl was living. The fifteen day

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Speaker 1: old baby rat prints. Doctors conclude the baby suffered severe

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Speaker 1: skin destruction from rat feeding. That would have taken hours

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Speaker 1: and hours to occur. It's not like a rat got

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Speaker 1: in beknownst to the parents chewed on the baby's skin. No,

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Speaker 1: this went on for hours. Their newborn baby girl covered

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Speaker 1: all over her body. Now, what's going to happen? This

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Speaker 1: endangerment to the welfare of a minor. That's a slap

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Speaker 1: on the wrist. This needs to be much much more severe. Now,

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Speaker 1: according to the arrest affidavit, with me the Duke, Alan

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Speaker 1: Duke joining me out of l A. We've gotten a

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Speaker 1: hold of the arrest affidavit and the whole thing began

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Speaker 1: to unfold. Around eleven thirty in the morning on a Sunday,

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Speaker 1: police were called to Magnoila Regional Medical Center about a

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Speaker 1: little baby that had a rat bite. The e r

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Speaker 1: nurse says that the girl was just fifteen days old

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Speaker 1: and she only weighed five pounds. Now, see that doesn't

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Speaker 1: strike me as odd, Alan, because when Lucy was born

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Speaker 1: she was just two pounds. But rat bites all over

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Speaker 1: her body, arms, fingers, hands, face, and that gash on

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Speaker 1: her forehead so deep it exposed a part of her skull.

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Speaker 1: According to Arkansas Matters dot com, they got ahold of

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Speaker 1: shy Rock, who had been dating Elliott for a couple

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Speaker 1: Both parents say they knew their home was infested by rats,

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Speaker 1: this is stunning. Eighteen year old woman, nineteen year old

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Speaker 1: their children. They love their children. What do you mean

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Speaker 1: how did it happen? Through neglect? Hours and hours of neglect.

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Speaker 1: You know that baby was screaming her head off. That

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Speaker 1: baby would be dead, I believe if not for Elliott's mother.

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Speaker 1: The couple apparently, according to what I understand, didn't want

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Speaker 1: they were afraid to catch this, Elliott says. They cleaned

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Speaker 1: reconstructive surgery to close the wound on her forehead. I

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Speaker 1: the physician determined the damage took hours and hours to occur,

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Speaker 1: screaming her head off during this time. The parents he says.

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Speaker 1: The doctor says he or she were either quote incapacitated

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Speaker 1: it was being chewed up by rats. Alan, this baby

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Speaker 1: was sleeping right by their bed. Now, my grandkids two

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Speaker 1: she was trying to crawl out. I was very aware.

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Speaker 1: How could they not be aware that this was going on.

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Speaker 1: I have not read anywhere that there were drugs involved.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen any indication of that? No? But I

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Speaker 1: do know that this mom, who was now nineteen, has

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Speaker 1: another baby, had another baby in two thousand and fifteen,

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Speaker 1: so she had experience. Yes, she's had children, she's had

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Speaker 1: ignoring the child, and that equals child abuse. They're being

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Speaker 1: on these charges they're facing very little jail time, and

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Speaker 1: Grandmom Elliott. No, and not even not even with the grandmother.

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Speaker 1: You'll let the mother back. No, no, Now, Grandma Elliott

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Speaker 1: And that's a big en. Oh, the baby cannot go

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Speaker 1: many cases where these teenagers have babies and they end

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Speaker 1: maybe alan that may very well be, But the baby

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Speaker 1: about that when you were comparing an eighteen year old who,

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Speaker 1: under other circumstances I may feel compassion for, but compared

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Speaker 1: Okay for what they did to this baby. God only

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Speaker 1: I'm just wondering when this case is going to go forward.

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Speaker 1: Do we know any thing about that yet? They're in

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Speaker 1: well the district attorney, the prosecutor could very well decide

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Speaker 1: that it's more serious and upgrade. Actually, the charges have

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Speaker 1: Columbia County Justice and detention facility on charges of endangering

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Speaker 1: the welfare of a minor first degree. They've been upgraded

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Speaker 1: than moving? What can you do? Call an exterminator? Okay,

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Speaker 1: nobody came. Nobody saved her white. That's what I want

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Speaker 1: Let's just assume that for this moment, the last couple

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Speaker 1: crying because I'll get spoiled. Have you ever followed that philosophy?

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Speaker 1: Or every time John David started crying you picked him up.

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Speaker 1: and I think it's cruel and mean, because in my mind,

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Speaker 1: and the baby cried, it was picked up one or both.

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Speaker 1: Darn right. You obviously remember your first two weeks with twins.

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Speaker 1: Alan that goes without saying. What I'm talking about now

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Speaker 1: the story right now. These two are being held without bond.

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Speaker 1: I know those answers, I will round up the duke

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Speaker 1: and we'll be back. This is Nancy Grace Crime Story.

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Speaker 1: Signing off, goodbye friend,