WEBVTT - #406 - Van Lathan 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.640 What up. I'm Van Lathan. I'm here the whole bootleg 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:08.320 keV accountable. Check me out on the Bootleg keV podcast. 0:00:08.440 --> 0:00:10.000 We had a great time. You're not gonna want to 0:00:10.000 --> 0:00:15.800 miss it. Is this? Where would I have heard of 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:16.279 yat song? 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:18.639 Where would you have heard a Yeat song? I think 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.759 just like online on without knowing it, like if someone 0:00:21.840 --> 0:00:24.920 used it, because he did. He did the Minion song 0:00:25.239 --> 0:00:27.320 from the movie for the Rose of Grow or whatever, 0:00:27.400 --> 0:00:30.400 and it was a big It was big on online 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:33.320 like TikTok and reels. Yeah. Well, listen, Van Lathan is 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:34.960 here on the Bootleg CAV podcast. 0:00:35.120 --> 0:00:36.720 Right, welcome, what's up? 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:37.279 What's up? 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:39.760 Man chilling bro? The only thing I'm here to talk 0:00:39.760 --> 0:00:40.839 about is Dual Lipa. 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:43.839 Well, I don't know much about her outside of I 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:47.919 think she's from the same place Action Bronson's from from Albania. Albania. 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:51.199 Yep, you never heard Dance the Night from the Barbie soundtrack. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:56.120 Maybe I watched the movie lately, I've been I watched 0:00:56.160 --> 0:00:56.520 the movie. 0:00:57.320 --> 0:01:00.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know like that she heard that song. 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:02.800 I don't know if I've really like applied myself to 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:04.880 when it was on to like really no, it's just 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:05.720 background knowing. 0:01:05.600 --> 0:01:09.240 You feel you too masculine for that you're the type 0:01:09.240 --> 0:01:12.240 of god. It's like you feel like there's not a 0:01:12.280 --> 0:01:16.640 part of you and now Postcat Williams, nobody will be 0:01:16.720 --> 0:01:18.880 able to do it. But you feel like you can't 0:01:18.959 --> 0:01:20.759 let go and tap and tap into a different side 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:22.000 of yourself. That means something. 0:01:22.200 --> 0:01:24.679 I have plenty of musical sides in myself, Like tell me, like, 0:01:24.720 --> 0:01:26.880 what's what's I have a Garth Brooks shirt on it though, Yeah, 0:01:26.880 --> 0:01:27.840 that's not what I'm talking about. 0:01:27.840 --> 0:01:30.240 Though, that's just the racist side of you. Actually, he's 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.319 not a racist. I shouldn't say that about Garth Brooks. 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:35.200 Garth Brooks is actually coolest ship. 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:38.160 And he's like fucking I think he's like a pretty 0:01:38.240 --> 0:01:39.080 progressive differ. 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:41.080 So I'm saying like, Garth Brooks is one of the genre, 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.080 He's one of the good ones calling baton rouge. I 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:46.600 liked that song. I also liked when he uh he 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:48.200 flipped it up and went with Chris Gaines for a 0:01:48.200 --> 0:01:50.000 little while he was emo was emo. 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.160 Yeah, I didn't get that. I mean at the time 0:01:52.240 --> 0:01:53.480 I was like a little kid, so I was just like, 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:54.600 I don't know what's going on here? 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:56.840 You know, so are you so you didn't like that? 0:01:56.920 --> 0:01:59.920 So are you one of the are you want to 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:05.520 white boys that you go extra hardcore to make up 0:02:05.520 --> 0:02:07.560 for the fact that some people might like not want 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:09.080 to let you in. You know what I'm saying. 0:02:09.360 --> 0:02:13.360 I'm just me man, just Youah, he's your favorite rapper ever? Yeah, 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:15.520 so I have to answers to that question. My favorite 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:18.639 MC of all time is Nas. My favorite rapper. Rapper 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:25.480 is Nas. My favorite artist in terms of just like discography. Uh, 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:28.680 you know, Kendrick's creeping up in there, but it's Kanye. 0:02:28.520 --> 0:02:29.359 Yeah, me too. 0:02:29.600 --> 0:02:33.200 Yeah, So it's like Nas. And then like I just 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:36.079 have a real serious place in my heart for outcasts too. 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:39.880 So I would say those would be like the the three. 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.320 But Nas is like my favorite rapper. 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:47.760 Nas is to me the most the most you know 0:02:47.760 --> 0:02:51.280 how people say the the greatest rapper of all time. 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:54.920 Nas is the most anointed rapper of all time. 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:58.160 I mean I see the perspective of people thinking that, 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:00.679 like sometimes he's just like he just gets it because 0:03:00.680 --> 0:03:05.000 he's Nas. But in my opinion, like between ill maatic 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:07.960 it was written, you know, I Am, I loved I AM. 0:03:08.000 --> 0:03:10.560 A lot of people didn't like it. I just don't know, 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:13.079 like who's writing records like fucking rewind you know what 0:03:13.120 --> 0:03:13.480 I'm saying. 0:03:13.720 --> 0:03:15.720 That's my thing is like there are certain people in 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:19.040 all of this When we have conversations about who the 0:03:19.040 --> 0:03:19.840 greatest rappers are? 0:03:19.880 --> 0:03:21.919 Who the greatest because your favorite album of all time 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:23.280 is four hundred Degrees right? 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.360 Yeah, yeah yeah. But when we're having conversations about that, 0:03:27.840 --> 0:03:31.080 I think we have them too broadly for sure. 0:03:31.160 --> 0:03:33.760 I always say just my favorite, right. I think that 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.280 there's like the list which to me, like the only 0:03:36.360 --> 0:03:38.160 guy who should be number one that like nobody could 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:40.400 argue with is jay Z. Now there's what you can't 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.960 are I think Drake's And again I don't think I 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:46.040 don't think Drake's number one, but I have to give it. 0:03:46.000 --> 0:03:47.440 To so what it was when you say Drake or 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:48.800 jay Z, Like what's the metric there? 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.720 I just think that like we're getting to a point 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:56.000 in time where if you're probably like twenty five, twenty six, 0:03:57.760 --> 0:04:00.520 I think that the way you've lived your life and 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:04.120 consumed music, Drake probably has to be the undisputed goat 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.880 because because nobody was like like a lot, like like 0:04:07.920 --> 0:04:09.960 these people weren't alive. Like I went to the warehouse 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:12.040 when I was like twelve or thirteen and bought Blueprint, 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.440 you know what I'm saying, Like I remember buying Ghetto 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:16.600 Fabulous and Blueprint on September eleventh, like the same day 0:04:16.640 --> 0:04:21.040 the fucking the Towers hit. So I think that, like 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:25.280 there's a whole generation of people who like there really 0:04:25.360 --> 0:04:29.000 is only like one answer that's like unarguable, and that's Drake. 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.920 Right to me, I think Kendrick is. I put Kendrick 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:32.400 over Drake. 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:37.160 I think sometimes people confuse and this is a lot 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:40.280 of things, and like I said, they're different subgenres. When 0:04:40.320 --> 0:04:42.920 I say Nas is the most anointed rapper of all time, 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:47.440 there are certain rappers to me that exist that I 0:04:47.480 --> 0:04:53.200 feel like they're touched by something ethereal and spiritual, just 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:57.039 artists across the landscape of music to say something to people. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.280 I feel like Nas is one of those guys. Feel 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:03.400 like Jay Electronica is one of those. I feel like, 0:05:03.680 --> 0:05:06.880 you have guys out there, and these guys they would 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.120 never be on the level of some of the other 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.640 people because they have something that they have to say 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:13.880 doesn't mean that they're perfect people. It doesn't mean that 0:05:13.920 --> 0:05:15.840 they don't get things wrong. Doesn't mean that they need 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:19.000 to grow. It just means that the greatness of their 0:05:19.080 --> 0:05:23.320 music is being funneled through this ethos that's so uncommon 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:25.359 that a lot of people aren't gonna even try to 0:05:25.400 --> 0:05:28.560 do it. When you're talking about like Drake, that's like 0:05:28.920 --> 0:05:31.440 Avatar two the Way of Water. And when I say 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:31.840 about that. 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:33.760 That's what I always say, Drake is like the Transformers. 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.200 Well, yeah, I'm saying when you go to see when 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:39.480 you go to see or Avengers, right right, Vengers in game. 0:05:39.520 --> 0:05:41.720 But I actually said that because Avatar two went pass Avengers, 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:44.000 but maybe it didn't. But look, when when you go 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:47.360 to see Avatar two, when you sit down, you're gonna 0:05:47.400 --> 0:05:49.160 be like, god damn, this is impressive. 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:50.000 You're gonna enjoy it. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:51.960 You're gonna enjoy it, and you're gonna be like, this 0:05:52.080 --> 0:05:56.600 is the This is super duper impressive. The visuals are crazy. 0:05:56.640 --> 0:05:59.320 The story, which is the meat of it, is good 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.839 enough for you to remember that you are having a 0:06:01.880 --> 0:06:04.720 good time. You are immersed in something. Dre's gonna do 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:08.320 number He's gonna send box that. Drake has always immersed 0:06:08.360 --> 0:06:11.160 people into who he is. He's always given you just 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:13.280 enough substance for you to be like, Nah, this God 0:06:13.279 --> 0:06:15.840 doesn't have anything more but not enough in my opinion, 0:06:16.000 --> 0:06:17.839 not enough, but just enough for you to be like 0:06:17.920 --> 0:06:21.800 He's given you enough emotion, he's given you enough connection, 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:27.240 but he's never really tackled any really important issue. 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:29.880 Dude, this is what I say. I say this on 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.840 every platform imaginable. I've been saying this for fucking ever. 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:37.960 I just don't know how he feels about the world, 0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:42.039 Like I have no idea about like what it was 0:06:42.080 --> 0:06:44.280 like growing up to be like a biracial kid whose 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:46.960 mom is Jewish, Like I don't know what it's like, 0:06:46.960 --> 0:06:49.479 like like he has no he has no political he 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:52.239 has no political Like he has no political about politics. 0:06:52.279 --> 0:06:54.880 Let me say about politics, what's like in the world, 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:58.800 like any sort of like little bit of consciousness, a 0:06:58.920 --> 0:07:02.440 little bit of just state of events happening, little opinion 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.520 he's like he don't want to have an opinion because 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:05.720 it's like the Michael Jordan thing. 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:08.720 I feel like Republican's vos sleepers, sneakers. Let me say 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:13.520 something about about when I knew that Drake was kind 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:17.520 of where he was and fantastic artists makes great music 0:07:17.520 --> 0:07:20.560 but this was gonna say and an incredible rapper, incredible rapper, 0:07:20.640 --> 0:07:24.520 best songmaker ever, maybe like incredible rapper, like doesn't have 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:25.600 too many bad songs. 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:27.760 It's literally, yes, it's hard to have a Drake. 0:07:27.560 --> 0:07:30.400 Ba ninety six percent from the field. Here's the thing. 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:35.440 In the wake of the Drake push a T situation, 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.200 that was an opportunity not just for Drake to get 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:42.960 to the pure essence of hip hop, right because he's 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:44.960 not already done that. For people to say that Drake 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:47.200 has never answered to this, that's not true. He's answered 0:07:47.200 --> 0:07:47.920 this is all the time. 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:50.679 He temporarily halted Meek Mill's career, right. 0:07:51.480 --> 0:07:55.000 But there was an opportunity there and maybe he was 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:57.240 going to do it or whatever for us to get 0:07:57.240 --> 0:08:01.320 an understanding of how difficult the Adonna situate or the 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:04.960 entire thing where his baby's mom was for him, because 0:08:05.720 --> 0:08:09.720 like those are, that's a real relata relatable situation. When 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:12.600 I say that Donna situation, I don't mean to say 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:15.520 to say that Donna situation because he loves his son 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:18.080 and he's obviously a very great father, father is great father. 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:20.760 But to be in a situation with someone that you 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:25.880 weren't particularly attached to and somebody that had kind of 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:29.640 been out there in the uh in the industry, everybody 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.080 was having fun, and then to have that and deal 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:35.600 with that, and to be trying to keep it close 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:38.160 to the vest like that and not have people know 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.360 about what's going on in your family life and then 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:42.400 you just have somebody come out and tell all your 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:46.120 fucking business. That's got to be fucking difficult to deal with. 0:08:46.480 --> 0:08:49.280 And if anything, that was an opportunity to and he 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:51.720 kinda he kind of dubbed it like I wasn't hiding. 0:08:52.040 --> 0:08:54.719 He held the l and didn't reply, But. 0:08:54.679 --> 0:08:57.320 He also didn't give us anything more about what it 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:58.839 meant to go through that, like when you're at the 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:00.040 height of your career. 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.960 And why and why it was he didn't want why. 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:04.600 He didn't want to do it, and what it even 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:06.199 meant for them to get back cool and all of that. 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:09.200 So there's a and it might come from all kinds 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:10.920 of things. You know, when we talk about people, we 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:14.400 talk about them like we're talking about the NBA or 0:09:14.400 --> 0:09:16.360 the NFL, But these people are putting their lives in 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:19.560 their music. So there might be a trauma response there 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:23.800 that might be a distance from people to protect yourself. 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.400 That might be there all kinds of shit, But because 0:09:26.440 --> 0:09:30.160 of that, the music is always going to be less 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:33.040 important than somebody else who gets in there and bleeds 0:09:33.240 --> 0:09:35.960 on them motherfucking records. Always, and it don't matter what 0:09:35.960 --> 0:09:38.360 it is. We could be talking about the difference between 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.760 the Beatles and Van Halen, you know, we could be 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:47.760 talking about the difference between fucking Marvin Gay and Loser 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:48.400 Van Drass. 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.880 It's almost like you said, it's like if Drake is 0:09:50.920 --> 0:09:55.360 like we all have avengers, right, like Nas is like, 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:57.400 you know, no Country for old men? 0:09:57.440 --> 0:10:00.560 Maybe yeah, Nas is like no Country, but the best 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.079 movie in that So I would say he's like there 0:10:03.120 --> 0:10:06.120 will be blood, right yeah, Nas is like there will 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:09.520 be blood. You can watch it and enjoyed as much 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:11.600 as you want, and I've seen there will be blood 0:10:11.640 --> 0:10:13.880 a bunch of times. But you gotta fucking commit. You 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:16.440 gotta commit to that movie, and you gotta give it something. 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:17.840 It's gonna take something from. 0:10:17.640 --> 0:10:20.280 You to me. That's why Kendrick to me has like 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:22.560 I don't know if we appreciate him enough, because he's 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:28.760 somehow catapulted in between his sliders up right, all of 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:30.600 them are. He has hit records. 0:10:30.840 --> 0:10:34.520 He can the best rappers, Like the music is important. 0:10:34.559 --> 0:10:36.560 I don't know if anybody is a better rapper, to 0:10:36.600 --> 0:10:38.600 be fair like, I don't know if anyone is a 0:10:38.600 --> 0:10:40.880 better rapper than Kendrick. I mean there maybe you know, 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.080 like I mean, there's guys like Royce and like you know, 0:10:43.120 --> 0:10:46.280 there's guys who are amazing mcs out there, but like Kendrick. 0:10:46.280 --> 0:10:48.880 Alien Royce is not like a you know, amazing. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.679 Hendrick's like a god level MC. 0:10:50.880 --> 0:10:53.400 There's a level of gods rap better than Kendrick. 0:10:54.320 --> 0:10:56.360 I think Kendrick can do things Royce can't do, though, 0:10:56.640 --> 0:11:00.160 I think in terms of like wordplay, voice chain, and 0:11:00.640 --> 0:11:01.520 I think I. 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:05.120 Think certain things if you were going to talk about lyricals, 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:08.840 like lyrical just I think there's I think Loope. 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:12.040 Is probably better than everybody. Loop is just go press 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:13.240 just go press play on mural. 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:16.240 No no, I think I think, I think if it's 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:19.199 if it's em C, I think might be the greatest. 0:11:19.200 --> 0:11:21.360 Another white man sit here to separate as you did 0:11:21.400 --> 0:11:21.920 that on purpose. 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:24.520 No no, no no, I liked when they had their I 0:11:24.600 --> 0:11:25.960 liked when they had their together. 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.240 I caught that. No no, I didn't bought that I 0:11:30.320 --> 0:11:33.480 used to work at the place that invented that. 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:36.720 So are you telling me that Loupe if we're just 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:38.199 talking about at rap. 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:40.839 On the most talented, he's amazing, It's like it's dumb, 0:11:41.000 --> 0:11:43.360 quite possibly the biggest what if ever, So let me 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:44.720 tell you something about Let me tell you something about 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:50.160 Loupe when people think that rap like isn't art. I 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:52.160 had this conversation with my daddy Rest in peace to 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:54.720 my dad. Man. My dad was like, yeah, man, you know, 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:56.679 I like the little songs that you'll be having. And 0:11:57.000 --> 0:11:59.600 this is what I love about older black people. They 0:11:59.640 --> 0:12:04.160 have a way of bringing you in but then reminding 0:12:04.200 --> 0:12:06.920 you that what you're talking about really ain't shit. So 0:12:07.000 --> 0:12:10.400 my dad is like, I like the little rap songs. 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:14.319 Little like those little rap songs, y'all do shit that 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:18.199 ain't no confunction. You know, there ain't no Parliament funk 0:12:18.240 --> 0:12:20.520 or Derek right right right, right right, you know what 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:22.760 I'm saying. But so I was like, Dad, I can 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:26.360 make you right now a fan of rap. I put 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.520 on put you on Game by Loupe Fiasco from the 0:12:29.559 --> 0:12:36.560 Cool and the song that's basically talking about this idea 0:12:36.760 --> 0:12:39.680 of the game and this thing that we have kind 0:12:39.679 --> 0:12:43.280 of elevated in this street ethos and this ethic that 0:12:43.320 --> 0:12:50.560 we've taken and made it into something that actually helps 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:56.560 to define the fabric and the the conversation and the 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.679 relationships and all of these neighborhoods that not only does 0:12:59.720 --> 0:13:03.160 it not serve us, it was given to us to 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:09.959 purposefully displace us emotionally and spiritually. And by the end 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:13.920 of the song, everybody that worships the game has sold 0:13:14.000 --> 0:13:18.839 their soul to the devil unwittingly. It is a master word. 0:13:18.920 --> 0:13:21.160 It's it's one of his best songs for sure. 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.280 Yes, his best song. 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.560 Yeah, it's his best song. Don't Go, Don't go on 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:28.920 the loop thing, We're not gonna, We're not gonna, I'll go, 0:13:29.000 --> 0:13:29.319 I'll go. 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:38.040 Loope, Royce, Jay Electronica, Nas Nigga. In addition to my 0:13:38.040 --> 0:13:41.560 homeboys from Louisiana, Box Royale, all of those guys like 0:13:42.440 --> 0:13:44.920 these are the guys that I listen to. These are 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:47.440 the guys that I listen twice, all over and over 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:51.560 and over again. What you have to tell me, how 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:53.160 you know, Jay Electronica, What did you. 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:55.240 Think of the Bad Medieval Album. 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.000 Here's the thing about the Bad Meats Evil album because 0:13:58.000 --> 0:13:59.640 I just I was so tired of the girl who 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:01.959 I always confuse her name with the porn star's name. 0:14:02.000 --> 0:14:04.320 It's Skyler Gray, but I always call her, what's the 0:14:04.320 --> 0:14:06.520 porn star's name, the white chick who was popping like 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:07.200 ten years ago. 0:14:07.559 --> 0:14:08.720 Her last name is Sasha Gray. 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.360 Oh yeah, that's a good one right there. That's a 0:14:11.360 --> 0:14:14.360 good one, bro, Sasha. You said scholar, But Skyler Gray's 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:16.720 I just was Scott to the point where Eminem was 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.640 just putting this her pink on every fucking record. 0:14:19.640 --> 0:14:21.440 I'm like, Skylar Gray doesn't belong on a fuck. 0:14:22.920 --> 0:14:25.680 I like Badman, it's evil, but it's Eminem coded. So 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:30.440 em has a very distinct style, and it's his style, 0:14:30.480 --> 0:14:32.160 and the way he does his thing now is pretty 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.440 heavy handed. So but but the song you just brought 0:14:34.480 --> 0:14:37.000 up about Loupe, I would take a single one of 0:14:37.000 --> 0:14:40.840 those from Drake and be like, Okay, he has some 0:14:40.920 --> 0:14:42.680 songs that make you think he is. Some songs like 0:14:42.920 --> 0:14:44.800 whenever Drake talks about his mother. 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:48.640 His mom or he does I mean like he's very vulnerable. 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:50.720 I feel like when talk when he's talking about relationships 0:14:50.720 --> 0:14:53.320 in like Darl's Room. Yeah, I just think that like, 0:14:53.480 --> 0:14:55.920 uh you know, like you said, like just dive into 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:59.320 any sort of fabric of like the world, that'd be nice. 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:03.360 Drake also is like one of the best examples of 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:11.680 uh like light skinn nigga privilege that's ever existed. Because 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:14.840 I know you can't. You probably try to in your 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:20.520 off time. I don't because like a lot of Drake 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:25.520 has a lot of songs that are very very very 0:15:26.440 --> 0:15:31.840 uh sensitive, complimentary, uplifting to women. 0:15:32.840 --> 0:15:34.920 But also Drake got a lot of heart on these 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:35.800 whole songs. 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:39.080 Drake got a lot like even when when when Best 0:15:39.160 --> 0:15:41.720 I've had? When when when Best I've had first came out? 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:44.160 The song every all the girls are rocking, It's like 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.640 when you listen to the words of that record, that's 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:47.920 not a very heartfelt song. 0:15:48.240 --> 0:15:49.960 Well, you know, I think the greats are all uh 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:53.760 you know, hypocrites, tupac nas I. 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:55.400 Mean, not a human beings. 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:58.600 So the pendulum swings both way. We're not not everybody 0:15:58.680 --> 0:15:59.880 is one thing, you know what I mean. 0:16:00.120 --> 0:16:02.120 So what I'm so all I'm saying with him though, 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:05.880 is that like he has a record, he has a 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.160 reputation of making music for women. He has a. 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.200 Reputation he has that reputation, right, He has. 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:15.160 A reputation of making music for women, and really, when 0:16:15.160 --> 0:16:18.200 you think about it, especially here of late, he has 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:22.080 as many songs for the women as he does. Basically, 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:25.000 I'm hard on these holes and I'm Drake, you know. 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:27.160 But look, I tell you, I'll tell you one thing 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:32.680 right now. The run that he's been on for Nigga 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:34.360 since I was dunking. 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.800 It's eight nine, like best ever had got work. 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:40.360 It's not gonna happen again. 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:42.600 No, it's one of one. It's not gonna happen again. 0:16:42.720 --> 0:16:45.360 So whatever you whatever you want to say, put his 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.600 jersey in the rafters is not gonna happen again. 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:52.040 So your personal favorite rappers like give me your like 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:53.360 did you you kind of just gave me. 0:16:53.320 --> 0:17:07.040 The nas that motherfucker juvenile Juvie Juvie fucking uh Royce 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:09.040 j Electronica. 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.240 I wonder you grow because how old are you? About 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:15.240 the same agent forty three? Okay, so you're older than me. 0:17:15.240 --> 0:17:16.080 You're seven years older than me. 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:16.920 When I was a little. 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:21.520 Kid, I was so into No Limit records. Of course, 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.920 ghetto dope was like an important part of my life. 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:30.560 And you want to beat them, what you wore camouflage. 0:17:30.960 --> 0:17:32.720 Yes, I had that. I had a no I could 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.200 BROH had the chain. I didn't have camera. 0:17:35.040 --> 0:17:36.040 Flro I could see you. 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:36.800 I was super poor. 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.239 I didn't have cameraf I couldn't see you. I'm from 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:42.800 the rough scrabble areas of Phoenix. I could see you. Yes, Actually, 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:43.560 right now. 0:17:43.440 --> 0:17:46.200 I'll tell you, hey, hey, wait wait, Phoenix is crazy. 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.439 I'm sure it is. Like I'm not just Phoenix, by 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.240 the way, because there will be some nigga name No, 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:52.960 Phoenix is crazy. I see right now that nigga is 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:54.840 gott Stale. That's how this shit gets sucked up. And 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:56.040 then all of a sudden, I get back to my 0:17:56.119 --> 0:17:59.000 d MS and that's a nigga named Cactus T that 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:00.840 got problems with me. Some shit like that I did 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:05.159 not like. How was there not been a rapper some 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.640 nigga that named Catasy. I'm not thiss in Phoenix, man, 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:09.520 I'm not just in Phoenix. I had my no limit 0:18:09.640 --> 0:18:14.280 chain though I know you did, and bro, you had 0:18:14.400 --> 0:18:17.560 all the chains. You was hopping from crew to crew 0:18:18.359 --> 0:18:21.000 like one of these. I can. I can see you 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:24.119 at fourteen of the of the Rosenberg model. 0:18:24.280 --> 0:18:26.480 No, no, it wasn't fourteen. It was more like like 0:18:26.600 --> 0:18:29.960 sixth grade. Uh, it was definitely like I would say 0:18:30.080 --> 0:18:35.560 sixth grade, fifth, sixth grade. I would have like my 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:38.520 folder and I could tag up the rough riders are 0:18:38.720 --> 0:18:39.399 the Wu Tang. 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:42.560 Double see what like there's a certain thing for white 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:46.040 boys who really love rap. But it's no man, I 0:18:46.080 --> 0:18:48.399 can all see y'all, you know, because then when you 0:18:48.440 --> 0:18:50.920 get to a certain age, then we can't tell you 0:18:50.960 --> 0:18:52.639 shit about rap, no more than you get to it. 0:18:52.800 --> 0:18:54.439 No, I'm not that no, no, no, no. 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:56.720 We get to a certain age and you can tell 0:18:56.800 --> 0:19:01.159 you can't fucking tell me what coming mint to me. 0:19:01.880 --> 0:19:03.600 In nineteen ninety five, I. 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:07.880 Drove all the way from Phoenix to Minneapolis to hear 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:08.880 him spit. 0:19:09.240 --> 0:19:10.560 No, I did see comment in Phoenix. 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:12.000 See, I know you did. 0:19:12.040 --> 0:19:12.800 Common in the Roots. 0:19:13.760 --> 0:19:15.880 That's a great show. By the way, talking about rappers. 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:19.240 Black thought, oh yeah, nuts yeah. 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.680 Nuts Andre three thousand, Oh yeah, I hope Glass of 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:23.920 Equipment right there. I hope Blast alone here is this. 0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:26.880 Glasses hundred three thousand is one of the top five 0:19:26.960 --> 0:19:27.800 rappers of all time. 0:19:27.880 --> 0:19:29.920 I think Glasses has some of the worst hip hop 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:31.560 takes ever. And him and I argue about them all 0:19:31.600 --> 0:19:34.760 the time. So you know, Glasses has you know what, y'all. 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.320 Let Glasses fuck with y'all. That's the problem. My new 0:19:37.400 --> 0:19:40.159 thing with Glasses is and I know it burns him up. 0:19:40.160 --> 0:19:42.720 That's my guy, one of the most solid people. Now 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:43.359 he's the best. 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:45.280 My favorite thing with Glasses is. 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:47.240 Now there's his album's up there on tape. 0:19:47.920 --> 0:19:53.200 Three words, I say, the Glasses agree to disagree because. 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:53.679 He doesn't want that. 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:57.880 No, that's not what he wants. Glasses. Glasses are coming there. 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:00.480 Sit down. He tried to sit here and say Drake 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:03.320 wasn't hip hop and I said, that's a that's a 0:20:03.359 --> 0:20:06.120 star wars right there. And he tried to say, well, 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:08.600 I gotta think about whether or not Kanye's hip hop 0:20:08.600 --> 0:20:10.280 because he grew up in the middle class home. Yeah, 0:20:10.280 --> 0:20:12.959 I mean, that's just once again the Drake isn't hip 0:20:12.960 --> 0:20:14.520 hop thing. He said four for four isn't a hip 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:16.399 hop album, which is a wild thing, right, So I 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:18.640 mean that's these are these are see you guys are 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:20.720 this is Glasses one on one, I'm talking about the 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:22.879 next one. And then his tweets, his tweets, he'd be 0:20:22.920 --> 0:20:24.840 throwing it out on Twitter like I ain't even gonna 0:20:24.880 --> 0:20:26.679 engage today. He believes it though. One of the smartest 0:20:26.680 --> 0:20:29.359 guys I'm gonna talk to you, and just one of 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.560 the people that like when you go against him, it'll 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:32.200 make you smarter. 0:20:32.520 --> 0:20:34.520 No, no glasses is great now he just got some 0:20:34.800 --> 0:20:35.639 crazy takes. 0:20:35.720 --> 0:20:37.960 But yeah, so's those guys. I'm trying to think who else. 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:45.159 Obviously I love kN Drake Lamar. It's a like a 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:47.240 lot of people that I listened to a whole hell 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:50.160 of a lot, like uh Lears and Fury Rock Kim. 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:51.480 I love Rock Kim. 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:52.320 That's one of my favorite songs. 0:20:52.320 --> 0:20:54.520 One of the If you caught me in like ninety seven, 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:58.439 I was bumping like the Eighteenth Letter crazy, I was. 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.440 Gonna say, I actually really the first rock came album 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.600 I ever owned was the Eighteenth Letter, and then I 0:21:04.720 --> 0:21:07.480 kind of like went back and got like paid in fool, 0:21:07.640 --> 0:21:10.080 and I like, would I go back and kind of 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:13.080 just go through like five MIC albums and the source 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:14.520 and go buy them and catch up? 0:21:14.560 --> 0:21:17.680 You know, things seems the same, and the whole scene 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:19.520 is laying I come in grant with the unexplained, with 0:21:19.560 --> 0:21:23.680 the brains chained awe like nigga. He on another level, 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:24.719 He's the Marlon Brando him. 0:21:24.720 --> 0:21:26.520 It was cool meeting Rock Kim as I was, I 0:21:26.560 --> 0:21:27.919 think it was like you know what I'm saying, see 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:29.200 see you know what I'm saying. 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:32.159 Like it was like like you you see, that's this 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:34.600 is what I'm talking about. Let me tell my story. 0:21:34.640 --> 0:21:36.520 It's not about let me tell your story. Is about 0:21:36.960 --> 0:21:40.040 that moment probably means so much to to keV that 0:21:40.080 --> 0:21:42.240 when he meets a new black and this is not 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:42.720 the first. 0:21:42.520 --> 0:21:46.120 Time, why is everything Rachel, because it is. You don't 0:21:46.160 --> 0:21:48.560 want it to be. You don't want it to be. 0:21:49.080 --> 0:21:50.880 You don't want hip hop to be for black people. 0:21:50.920 --> 0:21:53.199 You don't think it is. I didn't say that, Okay, 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:54.840 So then why can't I say Why can't I say 0:21:54.840 --> 0:21:55.280 you're white? 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.360 I was trying to tell my story, you're white. 0:21:58.200 --> 0:21:59.840 I'm black. Look at this. Take a picture of this. 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:04.119 This this is the for me and you know, but 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:06.679 what I'm saying is this that meant so much to 0:22:06.720 --> 0:22:09.160 you because he saw you for the first time. Now 0:22:09.240 --> 0:22:09.920 far you have to drop. 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:11.840 Know what I was trying to say, Well, it was 0:22:11.880 --> 0:22:13.679 cool when I met Rock Kim because I met him 0:22:13.720 --> 0:22:16.239 with like a lot of my homies that are like 0:22:16.440 --> 0:22:18.639 much older than me, right, so like they like like 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:21.280 we're listening to him, like like when he was was 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:23.679 rock him and Eric Eric b oh wow. So for me, 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:27.359 like of course Rock Kim's Rock Kim, right, But it 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:30.680 was just dope to see like like kind of like 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:33.439 it was like my homies like their jay z just 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:35.719 kind of see them and the way they were just 0:22:35.800 --> 0:22:38.720 like and I was like excited, but but to them 0:22:38.760 --> 0:22:40.680 it was like everything to meet Rock Kim. You know 0:22:40.760 --> 0:22:41.240 what I'm saying. 0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:43.520 Are you familiar with the history of Hollywood? 0:22:44.160 --> 0:22:47.480 I mean I wouldn't say I'm extremely familiar. I mean 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:51.760 I would say I'm vaguely familiar. I think that we're 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:52.719 all vaguely familiar. 0:22:52.760 --> 0:22:55.520 I mean I live here. Well, this is why I 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:57.800 say he's the Marlon Brando of rap. All right, this 0:22:57.880 --> 0:23:00.680 is my explanation for this. So method act comes in. 0:23:00.840 --> 0:23:04.399 You know, Marlon Brando and you know everybody from the 0:23:04.440 --> 0:23:07.679 Stella Adler school and different all of that stuff, the 0:23:07.720 --> 0:23:11.000 Strasburg and all that method acting comes in and it 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:13.399 changes acting, right because there's a you know, you guys, 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:19.479 you know old Hollywood, very earnest, all of that stuff. 0:23:19.680 --> 0:23:22.359 Then you have guys that you have a different school 0:23:22.400 --> 0:23:27.560 of acting that comes in, which is based in realism, 0:23:27.600 --> 0:23:32.080 synthesizing the character, uh taking that characters emotions and then 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:39.360 making them real, real, grounded portrayals of people that are 0:23:39.720 --> 0:23:43.480 that affects you in a different way. And then every 0:23:43.520 --> 0:23:47.760 everything changes after him, right, not necessarily the inventor of it, 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:53.680 but the single symbol of when everyone started to sound different. 0:23:53.560 --> 0:23:56.480 Right, like he was kind of the because of him, 0:23:56.600 --> 0:23:58.399 everyone applied themselves for rapping. 0:23:58.560 --> 0:24:01.680 Right. So, after Brando, and this is Van's opinion, because 0:24:01.680 --> 0:24:05.280 I know that somebody out there going after Brando, then 0:24:05.560 --> 0:24:07.680 the next generation of actors that come in a little 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.960 bit after that, particularly in the sixties, Jack Nicholson Hoffman, 0:24:11.400 --> 0:24:15.399 all of these guys, and these guys take like the 0:24:15.680 --> 0:24:20.200 Pacino de Niro, These guys interpret drama in a different way. 0:24:20.359 --> 0:24:27.240 To me, Rock him is the bridge between he ha 0:24:27.240 --> 0:24:29.359 ha coolgie rapping the rest of those guys too, but 0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:32.439 he's the He's the bridge between all of that and 0:24:32.560 --> 0:24:34.560 just thinking of a mass I'm just on this bitch 0:24:34.560 --> 0:24:36.480 and I'm just spitaking for sure, right, and there are 0:24:36.480 --> 0:24:38.360 other guys that are there too. But when I think 0:24:38.400 --> 0:24:41.560 about what it changed and how people are are different. 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:43.639 I'm gonna get on this motherfucker. You're think of him, 0:24:43.800 --> 0:24:45.440 you think you think of him, and then you think 0:24:45.480 --> 0:24:49.800 of the sound. Totally fucking changing, at least for lyrics, 0:24:49.920 --> 0:24:51.959 for lyricism. There are other guys out there that are 0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:55.440 Internet situations. I'm sure that Ninth Wonder and Sway are like, Man, 0:24:55.440 --> 0:24:57.680 We're gonna call you and tell you a different situation, 0:24:57.800 --> 0:24:59.520 because those are too most novels with hip hop guys 0:24:59.520 --> 0:25:01.119 I've ever talked on the phone Sway. 0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:03.879 I've never I met Ninth Wonder once in Saint Louis 0:25:03.920 --> 0:25:04.320 at a bar. 0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:08.119 Nice Wonder is a fucking encyclopedia of hip hop. Nice guy, Uh, 0:25:08.280 --> 0:25:10.920 Sway is too yes. Sway for sure is the only 0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:12.200 thing I don't like about Sway. There's one thing I 0:25:12.200 --> 0:25:16.360 don't like about Sway. Sway too nice man. Sways too nice. 0:25:16.400 --> 0:25:20.000 He's too affable, he's too approachable, he's too concilia tour. 0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:23.439 It's not a negative, but you know a lot of 0:25:23.440 --> 0:25:25.960 people talk about all of these people and these powerful 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:29.600 people and where they should be, and one of the 0:25:29.800 --> 0:25:33.040 star warts one of the most important voices. Sometimes I 0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:36.639 just want Sway to comment under the fucking thing and say, nigga, 0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:38.040 I'm your father. I've been doing this. 0:25:38.280 --> 0:25:40.400 Everyone's father and I've been doing this. 0:25:41.000 --> 0:25:45.639 But Sway he's like, legitimately, I'm walking through a fucking 0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:49.840 walking through a hotel. Twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, Stop dang man, 0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:52.160 I love with you. This is way pre Kanye. Stop 0:25:52.240 --> 0:25:55.320 the love what you're doing TMZ and blah blah blah blah. Approachable, 0:25:55.920 --> 0:25:59.720 give you advice, talk to He's just a perfect energy 0:25:59.760 --> 0:26:02.480 and I, well, you know, I'm here for and he's 0:26:02.480 --> 0:26:05.280 been yeah, a one year heel term from say. 0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:07.920 I see, I don't, I don't. I think that's why 0:26:08.000 --> 0:26:10.159 we love Sway because he's above all that bullshit. Is 0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:14.399 he's above like the petty shit. He's above you know, 0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:16.560 worrying about what other people are doing. 0:26:17.480 --> 0:26:17.679 You know. 0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:19.919 I think like Elliot's been going through that the last 0:26:20.200 --> 0:26:23.439 six months or so where he's tough and I you know, 0:26:23.520 --> 0:26:25.600 for me, like see it like like Elliott's to me 0:26:25.760 --> 0:26:27.800 like up there with Sway in terms of like your shit. 0:26:27.840 --> 0:26:29.800 I used to get his magazines when I was a kid, 0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:30.960 you know what I mean. I used to buy every 0:26:30.960 --> 0:26:33.800 double XL and all the sources and everything, and so 0:26:33.960 --> 0:26:36.920 I think with Elliott, it's like, I don't know, it's 0:26:36.960 --> 0:26:38.720 like a mixed bag. I guess how people feel with 0:26:38.800 --> 0:26:41.760 him kind of like kind of poking at you know, 0:26:42.080 --> 0:26:46.159 like a kais sanat or you know, but Sway I 0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:48.919 wouldn't want. I just feel like that's why swaying. Sway 0:26:49.080 --> 0:26:51.560 is the goat. So it's like if Sway's the goat, 0:26:51.880 --> 0:26:54.160 it's Sway Elliott, but Sway's the goat on a whole 0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:55.880 different level in terms of me because when I think 0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:58.919 of my childhood and watching MTV, that's where we before 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:01.840 the Internet. I watched Sway interviews on MTV News, you know. 0:27:02.440 --> 0:27:04.240 But I think that that's why we love Sway, because 0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:09.920 Sway's above just you know, that's pocket watching and looking 0:27:09.920 --> 0:27:10.600 over at other people. 0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:15.200 This is what I'll say about Elliott. Elliott knows how 0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:17.800 I feel about him and what I think about him 0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:20.840 about him and honestly, what be dot do and what 0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:24.120 they mean. You know, they know how important they are. 0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:26.000 You know, you could be that as not a guy 0:27:26.200 --> 0:27:28.320 that lacks in any type of confidence. This is what 0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:29.440 I would say about Eliott. 0:27:30.000 --> 0:27:32.320 Neither, by the way, not lacking any sort of company, 0:27:32.359 --> 0:27:33.240 not that. 0:27:33.200 --> 0:27:36.639 I say about Elliott, and I hope that this is 0:27:36.720 --> 0:27:39.199 taken with as much love as well. How I mean it, 0:27:39.560 --> 0:27:44.200 Elliott is supposed to remain the example of what we 0:27:44.280 --> 0:27:49.119 want to be. It will be a gigantic blow to 0:27:49.280 --> 0:27:54.880 hip hop and to hip hop journalism. If Elliott Wilson 0:27:55.119 --> 0:27:59.040 turns into the example of what you don't want to be. 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:03.400 What you want to be, like he's the golden standard. 0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:05.280 Let me tell yeah, exactly so what you want to 0:28:05.320 --> 0:28:09.320 be and in every single different avenue, what you have 0:28:09.400 --> 0:28:15.359 to have or like you said, standard setters, monument builders, 0:28:16.720 --> 0:28:19.960 right legends. 0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:24.879 And authorities on stuff. And when you're that, when you 0:28:25.000 --> 0:28:27.000 are that, that's bigger. 0:28:27.119 --> 0:28:30.879 Than a crowd that you can pull or the heat 0:28:30.920 --> 0:28:34.280 that you can deliver. It's bigger because what it maintains 0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:40.040 is the cultural integrity of whatever you're endeavoring into. Hip 0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:44.560 Hop is a more serious endeavor because guys like Elliott 0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:48.880 Wilson exists. Hip Hop is a more serious art form 0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:53.840 because it has serious critics and serious journalists like Elliott Wilson. 0:28:54.160 --> 0:28:57.360 If he devolves, which it seems like he's dead set 0:28:57.440 --> 0:29:02.960 trying to, if he devolves into this new school, which 0:29:03.000 --> 0:29:06.040 I'm not saying I'm not a part of of clout 0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:09.080 chasing media figures. It's not just a blow to Elliot 0:29:09.080 --> 0:29:12.320 Wilson's legacy everything, it's a blow to all of it. 0:29:12.440 --> 0:29:15.480 Hip hop becomes less serious if guys like that take 0:29:15.560 --> 0:29:17.080 themselves less seriously. 0:29:17.440 --> 0:29:20.120 Yeah, I look at Elliott and beat out as like, 0:29:21.360 --> 0:29:23.680 you know, I think back to like sitting at my house, 0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:25.440 I think it was Christmas or New Year's a few 0:29:25.480 --> 0:29:27.520 years ago, watching the Drake interview, and I'm like, this 0:29:27.600 --> 0:29:30.160 is the old Like these guys don't have to put 0:29:30.160 --> 0:29:32.760 out a bunch of shit because when like they can 0:29:32.800 --> 0:29:36.680 have conversations like that nobody else has the access to 0:29:36.720 --> 0:29:38.760 have and or like that's why, like when he was 0:29:38.840 --> 0:29:41.440 kind of mad that Drake was doing whatever Drake was doing, 0:29:41.480 --> 0:29:43.120 sitting in the bed with that what's that chick saying 0:29:43.240 --> 0:29:46.800 the white chick Bobby all talk. Yeah. Yeah, like like 0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:48.480 like it doesn't matter because you've got the three hour 0:29:48.600 --> 0:29:51.080 all time Drake Interview, and you're gonna get another one 0:29:51.120 --> 0:29:52.479 because you're fucking Elliott Wilson. 0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:54.440 But here's the deal, though, there's a way to make 0:29:54.480 --> 0:29:56.640 that criticism right. I'll tell you what I mean by that, 0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.400 there's a way to legitimately I'm not a part of 0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:01.560 hip hop Meetia oh ship. 0:30:01.520 --> 0:30:04.959 keV Damn that velcal came off. Wow, Bro, things are 0:30:04.960 --> 0:30:06.360 broken there. 0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:09.680 It is shit. It's always good to drop a white 0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:11.400 man on his fucking head and it is your head. 0:30:11.400 --> 0:30:19.880 And I'm talking about so ecosystems. We talk about ecosystems. 0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:23.880 What is an ecosystem? An ecosystem is something that uh cyclical, 0:30:23.920 --> 0:30:26.200 ife's itself, right, It's a it's a system of life. 0:30:26.800 --> 0:30:29.440 So that means that, like you know, the fucking plant grows, 0:30:29.960 --> 0:30:34.160 the fucking insect eats the plant, the fucking animal eats 0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:37.480 the insect. Animal dos ecosystem. When one part of the 0:30:37.520 --> 0:30:41.920 ecosystem stops working, the whole ecosystem is threatened. Right. It 0:30:42.080 --> 0:30:44.760 is incumbent upon hip hop artists to do interviews with 0:30:44.880 --> 0:30:48.920 hip hop media because that feeds the ecosystem. They have 0:30:49.120 --> 0:30:51.800 to do hip hop media, there's no I'm telling you 0:30:52.400 --> 0:30:54.840 they If you are a rap artist, and you are 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:59.120 a big rap artist, you have to do traditional hip hop. 0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:02.920 Media at some point, at some point cycle. You have 0:31:03.160 --> 0:31:04.440 to do it all the time. 0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:06.160 And the reason why I think you have to do 0:31:06.240 --> 0:31:08.320 it all the time is two reasons. Number one, cultural 0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:12.600 responsibility to invest back into that media. Number by the way, 0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.440 I don't disagree with you, and number two, to feed 0:31:15.840 --> 0:31:20.160 the ecosystem of hip hop because the other part of it, 0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:23.720 the people that look like Bobby and all of those people, 0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:26.240 they gonna eat off hip hop regardless. The question is 0:31:26.440 --> 0:31:29.800 whether or not Bobby all talk is whoever her name is, 0:31:29.840 --> 0:31:31.560 and no disrespect to her, is gonna eat off hip hop. 0:31:31.720 --> 0:31:33.640 That's not a question. Her people gonna eat off hip 0:31:33.640 --> 0:31:38.480 hop because her people own the record companies, her people playlist, 0:31:38.560 --> 0:31:41.160 the shit, they own, the big streamers, they gonna eat 0:31:41.160 --> 0:31:42.760 off hip hop. I don't know who her people are, 0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:45.719 but when I say her people is, I mean white. 0:31:46.520 --> 0:31:48.480 So her people are gonna eat off hip hop no 0:31:48.520 --> 0:31:53.720 matter what. The question is whether or not the black people, 0:31:54.040 --> 0:31:57.080 and not just black, but the people in hip hop media, 0:31:58.360 --> 0:32:00.920 whether they're going to eat off off of it, And 0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:04.400 the only way to really control that is to go 0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:05.560 sit down with them. 0:32:05.800 --> 0:32:09.479 I think that Unfortunately, most artists don't agree with you anymore. 0:32:09.600 --> 0:32:11.400 They don't agree. I'll tell you why they don't agree. 0:32:11.680 --> 0:32:15.120 They don't agree because and this is just a direct 0:32:15.240 --> 0:32:20.920 criticism because as hard as they are, they are equally pussy. 0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:25.520 And I say they equally pussy because everybody want to 0:32:25.560 --> 0:32:27.960 be hip hop, But don't nobody want to be hip hop? 0:32:28.400 --> 0:32:31.520 Don't nobody want to sit down and answer questions in 0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:35.160 the way that hip hop interviewers ask them. Don't nobody 0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:37.760 want to have somebody? Hip hop is supposed to be 0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:40.960 this cultural art form where we don't dance around, and 0:32:41.040 --> 0:32:43.280 we get straight to the FoST to the point, straight 0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:45.600 to the point. We don't play no games. It's no 0:32:45.800 --> 0:32:48.840 funny shit, it's no oh blah blah blah blah blah, 0:32:48.960 --> 0:32:51.200 none of that. It's like, hey, did you do this? 0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:53.120 How did this go? How did this go? 0:32:53.240 --> 0:32:53.920 Blah blah blah. 0:32:54.240 --> 0:32:56.880 But because people have seen a lot of people have 0:32:57.000 --> 0:32:59.200 bad moments on big platforms. 0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:01.800 Now, they don't want to have one of those. 0:33:02.400 --> 0:33:06.000 Afraid to be hip hop. They're afraid to go sit 0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:08.760 down and talk in the way that not just hip 0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:11.360 hop talks, but the way that black people talk, the 0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:13.840 way that we talk when we interviewing each other. Hey man, 0:33:14.160 --> 0:33:16.120 that's crazy, what the fuck you're doing? Hey man? You 0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:18.680 out of a sister? Boom boom. They're afraid to have 0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.080 a conversation, So they would rather go sit down with 0:33:21.200 --> 0:33:24.720 someone that has a big platform that will treat them 0:33:24.800 --> 0:33:28.680 in a way that's not to me culturally authentic, then 0:33:28.800 --> 0:33:34.160 actually have a culturally authentic and powerful conversation with someone 0:33:34.600 --> 0:33:38.200 that benefits in the long run them then that person's platform, 0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:39.800 which I am not in hip hop media. I'm just 0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:43.120 telling you my observations and the entire hip hop ecosystem. 0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:46.640 So you can't be brave enough to rap about like 0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:48.920 shooting people on records and all of that stuff, and 0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:50.360 brave enough to be out in the streets, but not 0:33:50.440 --> 0:33:52.200 brave enough to go sit down with somebody that's gonna 0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:52.960 ask you real questions. 0:33:53.080 --> 0:33:55.240 Well, I think a couple of things. One like I've 0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:59.880 heard actual like managers label people say like if someone's 0:34:00.800 --> 0:34:04.160 at a certain level, doing interviews can only hurt them. 0:34:05.280 --> 0:34:07.320 Right, Well, this is what I would say, probably, But 0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:10.640 I would also say this, there's also another part of that. 0:34:12.320 --> 0:34:15.640 Another part of that is this inside of this ecosystem. 0:34:16.960 --> 0:34:20.480 I know this very well worked at MC. Inside this ecosystem, 0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:25.920 we have to hold interviewers accountable. I agree for asking 0:34:26.160 --> 0:34:31.480 questions that aren't substantive, that are clout chasing that are 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:36.279 beef inspiring, that are all of that stuff. You have 0:34:36.360 --> 0:34:37.920 your platform. You can ask people whatever you want to 0:34:37.960 --> 0:34:39.600 ask them. You can do whatever you want to do. 0:34:40.239 --> 0:34:42.160 But if we're going to talk about all of these 0:34:42.200 --> 0:34:45.319 different responsibilities that we have, we also have to talk 0:34:45.360 --> 0:34:47.839 about the fact that there is a way that you're 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:53.960 supposed to conduct an interview when the interview is about music, culture, inspiration, 0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:57.399 work ethic, when it's about your past, when you're really 0:34:57.440 --> 0:34:59.800 gonna sit down and get a penetrated interview with the 0:34:59.920 --> 0:35:02.200 art artist or with someone, if there's a way that 0:35:02.280 --> 0:35:04.560 you do that, and if you veer off into the 0:35:04.640 --> 0:35:07.480 click baity clout chasy situation, which a lot of people 0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:09.759 are doing, we have to be honest about those people too. 0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:12.960 Yeah, I think like my approach to interviews really is 0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:18.240 like if I'm not fully like there's people i'll interview 0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:21.800 who I'm like, I'm familiar with their music, but I 0:35:21.920 --> 0:35:24.160 might not be like a like a hardcore fan, right, 0:35:24.719 --> 0:35:29.000 So my whole approach is like trying to figure out 0:35:29.040 --> 0:35:33.560 who they are, like the common ground between me and 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:36.120 this person, so we can shoot the shit and have 0:35:36.280 --> 0:35:38.680 like a cool conversation. Like I feel like When I 0:35:38.719 --> 0:35:41.080 think of like Elliott and Beatout, I know that they're 0:35:41.160 --> 0:35:44.040 going to have the laptop with all of the notes 0:35:44.120 --> 0:35:45.680 and then this year and then on this you know 0:35:45.719 --> 0:35:47.160 what I mean. And they're certain artists that I'll have 0:35:47.200 --> 0:35:49.600 those conversations with. But for the most part, you know, 0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:51.560 it's almost like when I went and did a I 0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:55.720 just did an interview NBA Young Boy, and I was like, Okay, 0:35:56.120 --> 0:35:58.680 everybody who talks to this guy treats him like he's 0:35:58.680 --> 0:36:01.960 an alien. Uh, I'm just gonna like just go hang 0:36:01.960 --> 0:36:05.000 out with him and shoot about ruge. Well, shout to 0:36:05.040 --> 0:36:08.000 you're from Baton Rouge, right, Well, I just feel like, 0:36:08.120 --> 0:36:12.279 you know, like I just wanted to like just talk like, yo, 0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:14.920 let's just hang out shoot the ship like mountain. 0:36:15.040 --> 0:36:17.600 Yeah, how was it? It was fucking beautiful. You loved it. 0:36:18.000 --> 0:36:18.520 It was cool. 0:36:18.880 --> 0:36:19.279 You loved it. 0:36:19.400 --> 0:36:19.680 Okay. 0:36:21.000 --> 0:36:23.160 You ever heard of his site Point and Shoot on YouTube? 0:36:23.239 --> 0:36:24.560 Yeah, he just did a video about me. 0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:25.160 I watched it. 0:36:25.480 --> 0:36:28.880 Yeah, it's so funny because you mad. No, I'm not 0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.279 at the point shooting actually broke. I m him and 0:36:32.320 --> 0:36:33.680 said the video was really good, good. 0:36:33.640 --> 0:36:36.800 Job, But can I show you that was passive aggressive? No? 0:36:36.920 --> 0:36:38.320 It wasn't it was funny. 0:36:38.520 --> 0:36:40.680 It was let me tell you, bru, y'all try to 0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:42.280 what people don't understand. 0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:44.200 I've been wait a minute, so you watched that video, 0:36:44.880 --> 0:36:46.640 so then you know I went to Grave Digger Mountain. 0:36:46.680 --> 0:36:48.080 So why did you ask me that question if you 0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:48.880 knew the answer. 0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:51.000 Because I just because I'm playing games, because. 0:36:50.800 --> 0:36:55.600 You're a troll digital That video is so funny because 0:36:56.600 --> 0:36:59.319 I did not realize. So I used to live in Vegas. 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.360 I did radio on this right, and I used to 0:37:02.440 --> 0:37:05.440 DJ a monthly hip hop showcase. So there was a 0:37:05.600 --> 0:37:08.880 there was a guy named High High Life who used 0:37:08.920 --> 0:37:10.640 to throw the showcases and me and my boy saying 0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:14.440 with DJM, so we would DJ for like maybe ten 0:37:14.520 --> 0:37:17.040 to fifteen artists every time this would happen. So if 0:37:17.080 --> 0:37:19.640 you ever been to like a rap showcase, local rap showcase, 0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:23.640 one they're not very busy. Two they fucking suck the 0:37:23.719 --> 0:37:26.440 DJ because you're dealing with all these USBs. And back 0:37:26.520 --> 0:37:29.440 then it was it was a CD, you know. So 0:37:30.000 --> 0:37:33.880 I had no idea that I had ever encountered that 0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:37.640 dude sharp prior to the time I met him, and 0:37:37.719 --> 0:37:40.760 he came into my podcast, right, So it's just funny 0:37:40.840 --> 0:37:44.279 that like this guy has this like gotcha moment and 0:37:45.040 --> 0:37:46.759 it is like trying to talk down on me because 0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:49.799 like I frink wetted strip clubs in Las Vegas. 0:37:49.680 --> 0:37:52.319 And I've been but well, this is what I would say. 0:37:52.360 --> 0:37:53.840 It was funny though, No, no, I actually think that 0:37:54.000 --> 0:37:56.239 is just really funny. What I think that dude, like 0:37:56.560 --> 0:37:57.320 the video was funny. 0:37:57.360 --> 0:37:58.719 I tried to draw him out and get him on 0:37:58.800 --> 0:38:00.279 your podcast or you can line him up side. I 0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:02.560 don't know what you're trying, no care. If you're one 0:38:02.600 --> 0:38:06.080 of the biggest gangsters, you actually might be Catus Tea. 0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:09.279 You one of the biggest gangsters in Phoenix. You're trying 0:38:09.280 --> 0:38:11.200 to give them this is what people do. See y'all 0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:14.480 think I'm too I'm too veteran for this. You, hey man, 0:38:14.520 --> 0:38:16.480 I appreciate that good boom boom. I love to have 0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:17.800 you come over here and then all of a sudden, 0:38:17.920 --> 0:38:21.759 you and your man over here stomp them out. And 0:38:21.880 --> 0:38:24.440 that's good for you because now you've got a headline. 0:38:24.080 --> 0:38:26.719 Your own children. How many children you got, I have 0:38:26.840 --> 0:38:29.719 two children, and I are old. I have an eighteen 0:38:29.800 --> 0:38:31.080 year old and a ten year old. 0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:35.399 So that changes nothing. I'm not help you stomp out 0:38:35.440 --> 0:38:37.319 point and shoot outside of them. 0:38:37.760 --> 0:38:39.600 Listen, if you have babies, that would be one thing. 0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:41.279 But you what you just said was, I got another 0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:44.120 nigga in the crew that can help me fucking stomp 0:38:44.160 --> 0:38:44.520 out point. 0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:47.760 I'm not risking any charges. I'm not risking any felonies. 0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:49.000 I get it for. 0:38:49.760 --> 0:38:51.719 I actually genuinely thought the video was funny. It was 0:38:51.760 --> 0:38:54.040 I watched all his videos, and I think that, like, 0:38:54.320 --> 0:38:55.200 he's actually really good. 0:38:55.400 --> 0:38:59.120 There's something to be said that when someone is obviously 0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:01.360 fucking with you in joke. I thought it was like 0:39:01.520 --> 0:39:03.960 all of the stuff he said about me, I genuinely 0:39:04.040 --> 0:39:05.280 took YouTube. 0:39:05.320 --> 0:39:07.319 I thought it was like funny. I was like, oh, 0:39:07.400 --> 0:39:10.160 that's good because like I'm I have like, uh, I 0:39:10.200 --> 0:39:11.600 don't have that big of an ego. I don't really 0:39:11.600 --> 0:39:13.520 give a fuck. Like the way him and I talk 0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:15.040 to each other, me and my friends talk to each other. 0:39:15.120 --> 0:39:16.799 I'm like, this ship is great. What uh? 0:39:17.040 --> 0:39:18.880 What youtubes do you watch? What YouTube channels do? 0:39:19.960 --> 0:39:20.279 I mean? 0:39:20.680 --> 0:39:23.799 I would say most of my YouTube stuff is very 0:39:23.920 --> 0:39:28.040 sports heavy, you know. I would say I watch a 0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:31.399 lot of PFT with like Mike Florio, Chris Sim's I watch, 0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:34.000 Uh you know McAfee's in there every once in a while, 0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:38.560 all the NBA stuff. Uh, and then I'll I've veered 0:39:38.640 --> 0:39:42.160 into like there's this political channel called Breaking Points. I 0:39:42.280 --> 0:39:43.600 know that point, Crystal Bill. 0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:46.000 Yeah, I like the ball I love them because I 0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:48.960 can just watch and watch Rising as well. 0:39:48.880 --> 0:39:53.000 With Rising is amazing on the Hill. They're great, dude, 0:39:53.040 --> 0:39:56.160 They're great. So actually, those two shows I probably watch 0:39:56.239 --> 0:39:59.320 every day in some capacity, just clips, you know, like 0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:01.120 to catch up on what's going on. And I think 0:40:01.120 --> 0:40:05.239 that it's joke because it seems like they're all four 0:40:05.280 --> 0:40:07.120 of the people involved in those two shows are very 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:09.920 level headed and they give you different perspectives, so. 0:40:09.960 --> 0:40:12.640 You don't ever go on Welcome to hood War stories. 0:40:12.760 --> 0:40:13.360 No no, no, no, no. 0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:16.560 I can show you my algorith you see it now, bro, Pa, 0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:18.920 what the fuck did you see that? I'm saying you want? 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:21.239 Did you see what he just did? He said, I 0:40:21.280 --> 0:40:23.360 can show you my algorithm if you want to see it, 0:40:23.640 --> 0:40:25.360 and then he reached into his pants. 0:40:25.400 --> 0:40:28.000 Bro, No, look look what's the first video? What's the 0:40:28.040 --> 0:40:28.480 first video? 0:40:28.560 --> 0:40:30.480 Said? What did I tell you? WHOA? Well, I don't 0:40:30.480 --> 0:40:33.040 want to see your algorithm, bro, put your algorithm away. 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:36.360 It's my YouTube algorithm, r algorithm away. I don't know 0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:38.320 what y'all don't know why you call it the algorithm, 0:40:38.640 --> 0:40:39.440 probably because. 0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:41.560 It's my YouTube algorithm, like it. 0:40:41.920 --> 0:40:43.799 Put your algorithm away, bro, They're not trying to see 0:40:43.840 --> 0:40:44.400 your algorithm. 0:40:44.440 --> 0:40:47.600 I see the herd, I see p f T Yeah, 0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:49.400 I see uh. 0:40:50.280 --> 0:40:51.880 Welcome to wod WARSW I'll go to Welcome to. 0:40:51.880 --> 0:40:58.320 Hoo fucking Uncinko MSNBC Lebatars. 0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:00.680 Like I got, I don't have as much other sports stuff. 0:41:00.680 --> 0:41:02.719 I got a lot of it, right, I got, But 0:41:02.840 --> 0:41:06.640 it's all it's very specific with me. So it's LSU football. 0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:09.440 Oh yeah, you know what I'm saying. It's LSU football. 0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:11.439 So it's not necessarily I have a lot of sports 0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:14.080 stuff on there, but it's specific because I saw myself 0:41:14.120 --> 0:41:16.120 sifting through a lot of fucking sports topics I didn't 0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:20.680 give a fuck about, right, but it's Saints, LSU football, 0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:25.360 very direct sports stuff, like five different LSU football channels 0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:29.520 off the bench, my favorite one Power hour LSU Fucking 0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:31.000 After further review. 0:41:31.280 --> 0:41:32.680 There's a show like that for the Suns. 0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:33.680 I watch Tiger Bait. 0:41:34.080 --> 0:41:36.680 There's this pH and X sports podcast I watch on YouTube, 0:41:36.719 --> 0:41:38.200 like at the end of every game, they go live 0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:38.840 and then you. 0:41:38.880 --> 0:41:41.359 Sit down and watch it. Kalickie Canada stated, she comes 0:41:41.400 --> 0:41:43.799 in and she goes, Yo, why are you just watch 0:41:43.840 --> 0:41:47.200 the game? Why are you gonna sit down and then 0:41:47.320 --> 0:41:49.480 watch two hours of somebody talking about the game that 0:41:49.560 --> 0:41:51.800 you just watch? And I'll just Positive TV and I go. 0:41:51.920 --> 0:41:54.239 My wife says the same thing, just Positi TV, and 0:41:54.320 --> 0:41:56.520 I go, you want to be in this or not? 0:41:58.680 --> 0:41:58.919 Cool? 0:41:59.200 --> 0:42:01.919 Boom? Let me watch my shit, Let me watch my shit, 0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:04.920 Let me play the game. I come back all the 0:42:05.000 --> 0:42:08.879 way from uh fucking working on the road. I'm doing 0:42:08.920 --> 0:42:10.920 cn INN or something like that. I sit down, I 0:42:11.000 --> 0:42:14.799 got the controller. When I have the controller? Okay, keV 0:42:15.320 --> 0:42:18.000 And Spider Man is swinging nigga. I am Spider Man. 0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:22.040 I'm swinging around New York. I'm helping people. I'm saving people. 0:42:22.280 --> 0:42:25.720 I'm going on missions. Bro. Just last week, no bullshit. 0:42:26.080 --> 0:42:31.279 I beat Scorpion, I beat craving a Hunter. I beat 0:42:31.600 --> 0:42:37.080 motherfucking Samman, I beat Venom. Not Spider Man. Me, I 0:42:37.239 --> 0:42:37.480 did it? 0:42:37.760 --> 0:42:40.759 Okay, I beat all of these people. I say, is 0:42:40.800 --> 0:42:41.560 this Spider Man too? 0:42:41.640 --> 0:42:44.400 Spider Man two? I saved New York. I saved it. 0:42:44.560 --> 0:42:46.319 When I come home, let me play the game. 0:42:46.400 --> 0:42:48.879 Do you ever buy video games and you're mad because 0:42:48.880 --> 0:42:51.680 you don't have time to play them? Wrong, that's my life, 0:42:51.840 --> 0:42:54.880 not by all the games, and I never played my 0:42:54.960 --> 0:42:55.839 kids got them. Lie. 0:42:56.320 --> 0:42:58.600 You could make time to save people if you really 0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:01.120 cared about it. But the problem is that you got 0:43:01.239 --> 0:43:05.359 to listen to shoreline Mafia and the rest of the underground, which, 0:43:05.400 --> 0:43:06.719 by way, I'm not disting to my fuck with them 0:43:06.719 --> 0:43:07.560 Mark oh. 0:43:07.520 --> 0:43:08.760 Jez shouts shortline Phoenix. 0:43:09.000 --> 0:43:11.399 So the rest of the underground people, you gotta listen 0:43:11.440 --> 0:43:12.880 too much hip hop. See, I don't listen to as 0:43:12.960 --> 0:43:14.480 much hip hop as you. I'm gonna go to my 0:43:14.560 --> 0:43:15.920 hip hop right now. I'm gonna go to my title 0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:18.040 because jay Z telling me to to buy a title 0:43:18.320 --> 0:43:21.080 and then after I got tiredled and got used to title, 0:43:21.280 --> 0:43:25.919 he sold it to white people. The Verizon by ten? 0:43:27.040 --> 0:43:30.759 Is that true? Yeah? Oh? But so my ship, like 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:34.839 literally the ship that I'm on, like my playlist, it's 0:43:34.920 --> 0:43:35.480 all old ship. 0:43:35.560 --> 0:43:35.640 Bro. 0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:39.200 Yeah, I think I'm not listening to much of that 0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:41.400 new ship, so I agree. So I've heard these songs, 0:43:41.560 --> 0:43:42.960 so I don't have to like. But you have to 0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:44.880 be up on hip hop. Yeah, so you don't have 0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:47.200 time to save New York. The new ship I love 0:43:47.320 --> 0:43:48.080 is is uh. 0:43:49.800 --> 0:43:53.080 So. I knew who Dave was for a long time, 0:43:53.120 --> 0:43:56.400 but I know who from the UK. So Dave and 0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:59.640 Central cy put an EPR called to Split Decision, which 0:43:59.719 --> 0:44:02.400 was my second favorite project from last year. But I 0:44:02.520 --> 0:44:07.680 dived into this guy Dave and his discography. He's so 0:44:07.920 --> 0:44:11.799 good you like him? Like Dave, Dave is like an 0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:12.640 elite level. 0:44:12.880 --> 0:44:13.520 Where is he from? 0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:17.000 He's from the UK. He's fucking fire. 0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:17.480 Yeah. 0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:20.040 See, he's got some of the more most vulnerable rap 0:44:20.080 --> 0:44:20.839 songs that ever heard my mine. 0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:24.640 That's Captus Tea. That's Catus T right there. I will 0:44:24.719 --> 0:44:27.359 tell you one new group that I like. These guys 0:44:27.400 --> 0:44:29.160 out of New York. They called forty one. 0:44:29.520 --> 0:44:31.919 Their fire shoutout. I've had him on twice. Jen Carter, 0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:35.120 Kyle Rich Bro. Jim Carter is crazy Broyeh, She's fire 0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:38.000 and they're cool ast fuck Jim Carter is crazy, bro. 0:44:38.160 --> 0:44:40.160 I'm I supposed to be listening to PST from the 0:44:40.200 --> 0:44:40.759 side of the side. 0:44:40.760 --> 0:44:42.960 How can I see what I what I listened? 0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:44.520 So I got this is what I got out here. 0:44:44.560 --> 0:44:47.719 I got Dua Liba I got Domino, remember him, of 0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:50.600 course you get though jam in about the slam. I 0:44:50.640 --> 0:44:54.279 got Beanie Siegel, I gots Victory, which I guess I'm 0:44:54.280 --> 0:44:58.399 not supposed to be listening to that now. Oh shit, 0:44:58.840 --> 0:45:02.120 oh shit, I'll still listen to that shit fuck that. 0:45:02.600 --> 0:45:08.600 I got a flip side. Oh my god, bro Beanie Sigle, Freeway, 0:45:08.640 --> 0:45:11.800 that's actually Freeway and p D Crack. So my my playlist, 0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:14.719 my playlist on here though is I'll show you my 0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:17.280 hip hop playlist. This is my hip hop playlist running 0:45:17.320 --> 0:45:20.640 the far side, ninety three to Infinity to Infinity, Infinity, 0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:23.480 Sean Fintassy Ye until Infinity. 0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:25.280 Shout out to the ringer Sean Finasy Yeah, which. 0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:29.480 Is the greatest hip hop song I've ever made. Disagree Yeah, Okay, 0:45:29.640 --> 0:45:34.520 got this team? Uh hey, I disagree Mass Appeal, Electric Relaxations. 0:45:35.040 --> 0:45:36.640 So this is like a playlist you put together. Yeah, 0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:38.759 this is my ship shook Ones I wish I had see. 0:45:38.760 --> 0:45:39.680 I don't have a playlist like that. 0:45:39.760 --> 0:45:41.800 That's me. I just I just big L. 0:45:42.360 --> 0:45:44.400 I just hit search and like whatever I feel like 0:45:44.520 --> 0:45:46.480 listening to. I do the same thing Boom, I do that. 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:48.120 I do that too. But I do have some playlists 0:45:48.160 --> 0:45:48.640 that I have to have. 0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:52.040 And Spotify has a twenty tens playlist that they curated 0:45:52.120 --> 0:45:54.960 for me. That is fire. It's like all twenty ten 0:45:55.000 --> 0:45:58.359 ship that I like. Tit title Well, Spotify is great, 0:45:58.880 --> 0:46:02.120 Spotify is to You could go listen to Higher Learning 0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:02.640 on Spotify. 0:46:02.800 --> 0:46:05.480 Listen to Higher Learning the podcast on Spotify. Spotify is great. 0:46:05.680 --> 0:46:08.080 I used title for a lot of music stuff. Spotify 0:46:08.160 --> 0:46:09.600 is amazing. It's great. 0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:12.160 I used title for a lot of music stuff though, because. 0:46:11.960 --> 0:46:13.759 Title knows me now. Title knows me now. 0:46:13.800 --> 0:46:16.160 I give most of my podcast. Yeah, my twenty tens 0:46:16.200 --> 0:46:18.880 playlist is gas. But yeah, I mean I just and 0:46:18.960 --> 0:46:22.240 then I'll just download albums. You know, I got you download, 0:46:22.840 --> 0:46:25.200 I got j id on here Forever story, Pray for Paris. 0:46:25.239 --> 0:46:26.920 We'side gun, that's. 0:46:26.800 --> 0:46:29.919 Not gun crazy, whole Griselda crazy, going back to going 0:46:30.040 --> 0:46:34.640 back to Ellie and b Dot. I was loving Griselda. 0:46:35.800 --> 0:46:38.040 I was fucking with Griselda. Listened to a lot, I 0:46:38.080 --> 0:46:41.040 had a New Year's Interview, and then I became a 0:46:41.239 --> 0:46:47.719 Griselda fucking fan. Love Griselda, love them, love Griselda. But 0:46:47.760 --> 0:46:49.640 I love everybody. I love the people that don't get along. 0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:52.799 I love Griselda. I think Freddy is having a great 0:46:52.920 --> 0:46:53.280 like Freddy. 0:46:53.400 --> 0:46:56.839 Actually, yeah, he's one of my best friends in the world. 0:46:57.280 --> 0:46:58.480 So you were Freddie best friends? 0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:01.080 Yes, okay, that's my brother brother for real, for. 0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:03.080 Real, y'all. Have you ever been to Sam's Softbro. 0:47:03.719 --> 0:47:07.080 Yeah, of course, making sure chicken wings. And that's the 0:47:07.160 --> 0:47:10.120 best place to throw money at strippers. Because listen, not 0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:11.839 for me in reasons obviously. 0:47:11.480 --> 0:47:13.080 Listen to what you just said. Listen, let me tell 0:47:13.080 --> 0:47:14.160 you how you're a misogynists. 0:47:14.400 --> 0:47:17.240 Yeah, because when you throw the money at Sam's Hofbro, 0:47:17.719 --> 0:47:21.520 it's kind of like feeding birds. Okay, Wow, it's true. 0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:25.160 It's true. Whoa is anybody who's on the stage has 0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:26.000 a right to the dollar? 0:47:26.160 --> 0:47:29.279 Whoa catus tea. Let me tell you something. You throw 0:47:29.360 --> 0:47:31.840 money at strippers, I throw it in the air. I 0:47:32.000 --> 0:47:36.520 throw money too strippers because here we fucking go. I 0:47:36.640 --> 0:47:39.920 accept them and their humanity and what they are. I 0:47:40.080 --> 0:47:41.239 throw money to them. 0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:42.279 So help. 0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:44.000 No, no, no, no no, you said what you meant 0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:48.200 stand on at catus t What you said was you 0:47:48.440 --> 0:47:53.560 throw money at strippers? At them? I throw money too strippers. 0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:55.279 Sometimes I don't throw it. Sometimes I put it in 0:47:55.320 --> 0:47:59.040 an envelope and hand them to and say, most people 0:47:59.120 --> 0:48:02.320 in the world, you will not find another higher connoisseur 0:48:02.440 --> 0:48:06.279 of these establishments other than myself. I rarely go. But 0:48:07.320 --> 0:48:09.160 when I do go. When I say rarely, I mean 0:48:09.280 --> 0:48:12.279 like once a year. But when I do go, maybe 0:48:12.320 --> 0:48:14.400 not even that. But when I when I do go, 0:48:15.520 --> 0:48:17.520 I throw the money to them, hand it off like 0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:19.040 a fuck of the time, because I want them to 0:48:19.080 --> 0:48:19.840 live their dreams. 0:48:20.640 --> 0:48:23.480 I am very very integrated in the strip club culture, 0:48:23.560 --> 0:48:26.319 so I'm very very aware. I'm friends with a lot 0:48:26.360 --> 0:48:28.160 of strippers. It's a budget for a strip club night, 0:48:28.600 --> 0:48:31.040 that's a good personally me. Yeah, it was a. 0:48:31.000 --> 0:48:31.799 Boutleg kept night. 0:48:31.960 --> 0:48:36.279 It depends on where I'm going, So, uh, if I 0:48:36.400 --> 0:48:38.880 was in Arizona and my heyday, like Jaguars, which is 0:48:38.960 --> 0:48:42.040 like the best strip club on the West Coast, Jag Wires, Yeah, Jags. 0:48:42.520 --> 0:48:44.040 Jags is the best strip club on the West Coast. 0:48:44.080 --> 0:48:46.360 Anybody who's gone will tell you that. All the rappers 0:48:46.400 --> 0:48:49.520 I take there say the same Wires Jags like Jaguars 0:48:49.560 --> 0:48:54.000 Yeah war Uh So I kind of like, you know, 0:48:54.080 --> 0:48:57.080 I just kind of like I want to say, like 0:48:57.440 --> 0:48:59.239 it was kind of like my spot, so I would 0:48:59.280 --> 0:49:00.759 go in there and get my chicken wings, I get 0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:02.840 my fucking shrimp tacos, I get my cabana. 0:49:03.400 --> 0:49:07.239 Gotta tell you this is actually a very precious moment. 0:49:07.880 --> 0:49:10.720 Like there are rare times when you're talking to someone 0:49:11.560 --> 0:49:14.359 and you can see the wheels of their brain are 0:49:14.400 --> 0:49:16.680 taking them back to a time where they legitimately have 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:19.840 good times. Yes, there a place where they legitimately like 0:49:20.400 --> 0:49:26.160 like like Kim started talking about jack Wires and he goes, yeah. 0:49:26.160 --> 0:49:28.040 It's a good place. But it wasn't even like a 0:49:28.080 --> 0:49:30.000 good place for the reasons that you like, like not 0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:30.880 even get it. 0:49:30.960 --> 0:49:32.719 It was a good place just because there are certain 0:49:32.760 --> 0:49:35.520 places even naked women or no naked women. Well, the 0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:38.239 ambiyonce it's a am Beyonce is the food. The time 0:49:38.320 --> 0:49:40.359 in your life is right time in my life. 0:49:40.480 --> 0:49:44.080 And like for me, I would rather I'm a I'm 0:49:44.120 --> 0:49:46.160 a like dive bar kind of guy or a strip 0:49:46.200 --> 0:49:48.839 club kind of guy. Like I'd rather not be at 0:49:48.840 --> 0:49:50.520 a night club. I mean, I own a nightclub in 0:49:50.560 --> 0:49:52.839 Scott Steel, right, So like shots at the nightclub game 0:49:52.960 --> 0:49:55.880 fucking does very well. I love DJing at nightclubs, you know, 0:49:56.080 --> 0:49:59.160 but I'm not going to a night club unless I'm djaying. 0:49:59.520 --> 0:50:00.400 Right, not your thing. 0:50:00.480 --> 0:50:01.840 Like, I don't want to go hang out at the 0:50:01.920 --> 0:50:05.400 club because I don't know if it's really ever been 0:50:05.480 --> 0:50:07.080 my thing, to be honest, m I'd rather go to 0:50:07.160 --> 0:50:08.759 a dive bar or go to a strip club where 0:50:08.800 --> 0:50:11.040 we could just chill, have a little convo over some 0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:13.280 fucking drinks, maybe order some food. 0:50:13.400 --> 0:50:16.480 So this is my thing about the club, and this 0:50:16.640 --> 0:50:20.200 is my thing, right. I'm from a different club culture 0:50:21.160 --> 0:50:24.560 when I was in Louisiana. We dress up, we go 0:50:24.640 --> 0:50:26.239 to the club. We dress up like we going to church. 0:50:26.280 --> 0:50:27.920 We go to Club Upscale, we go there. It used 0:50:27.920 --> 0:50:30.120 to be like that too, go to Club Upscale, We go. 0:50:30.120 --> 0:50:33.080 To the strict leaving force stress code, strictly force dress code. 0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:34.680 Right, we go, We go to there, We go to 0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:37.439 the nightlife. We go to a perfect Tien party. Shout 0:50:37.480 --> 0:50:40.680 out to TJ, Mike, everybody out there was throwing party. 0:50:40.680 --> 0:50:41.719 Shout out to all of them. We go to the 0:50:41.800 --> 0:50:43.799 parties and we go there all dressed up. But when 0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:49.239 we leave that motherfucker, we are dripping wet with sweatd B. 0:50:50.120 --> 0:50:52.560 You know them old movies where you see a joint 0:50:53.200 --> 0:50:55.440 and the people in there and the beads are sweat 0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:56.000 coming off there. 0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:57.400 They got sweat and it's. 0:50:57.280 --> 0:50:59.840 A man he got his hand on a woman like that, 0:51:00.040 --> 0:51:01.040 and they grinding and. 0:51:01.080 --> 0:51:01.760 All of that stuff. 0:51:01.800 --> 0:51:04.120 All that shit's out. You know, that's what we were doing. 0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:07.200 We were like the back of the ass up, come 0:51:07.239 --> 0:51:09.759 on and like the whole fucking club lose thing. 0:51:09.920 --> 0:51:11.680 I couldn't even imagine being alive and back. 0:51:12.800 --> 0:51:14.160 But it was a couple of joints that you would 0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:16.760 just drop by the way and just go crazy. 0:51:16.880 --> 0:51:19.520 But my argument might be, you know, that's an argument 0:51:19.520 --> 0:51:20.080 for best rap. 0:51:20.040 --> 0:51:24.120 Song ever, could be definitely the most best club song ever, 0:51:24.239 --> 0:51:26.719 could be definitely best clubs on ever. So like then 0:51:26.800 --> 0:51:29.080 you get to LA and they don't have none of that. 0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:31.839 That's not how our clubs are. The clubs in LA 0:51:32.080 --> 0:51:36.640 are uh, musical museums. 0:51:37.600 --> 0:51:39.920 I think there was probably a time where they were 0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:41.239 more like that, but I don't remember it. 0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:44.240 But like the clubs in LA were are musical museums. 0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:46.560 Like their music playing and you're looking at pretty pictures 0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:48.680 all around. I mean, people are turning up a little bit. 0:51:48.840 --> 0:51:50.520 You might get a shoulder shimmy or something like that. 0:51:50.880 --> 0:51:53.680 So I fuck with that and that's okay. But if 0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:55.680 I'm gonna do that, I would rather go to a 0:51:55.800 --> 0:51:58.200 place where I can hear somebody talking. 0:51:58.400 --> 0:52:01.120 Yes, I agree, So the music is playing, yes, and 0:52:01.200 --> 0:52:01.600 we all. 0:52:01.520 --> 0:52:03.560 Try to My whole point, were drinking. We haven't a 0:52:03.600 --> 0:52:05.120 what's what's your drink of choice? Uh? 0:52:05.360 --> 0:52:08.239 It's changed over the years these days. If I'm not 0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:11.920 trying to lose weight and be fat, Uh, I always 0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:12.880 just get a corona. 0:52:13.120 --> 0:52:17.680 I like a whisky sour and so I'll drink tequila 0:52:17.680 --> 0:52:19.440 on the rocks. So I'll drink one, right and if 0:52:19.480 --> 0:52:21.560 I can hear you talk and we can all have 0:52:21.719 --> 0:52:23.560 a we was. I was at a party last night 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:26.200 and it was about it was for the black oscar 0:52:26.320 --> 0:52:29.920 contenders this year. Shout out to Ava and I'm going 0:52:30.000 --> 0:52:32.520 to get like fifty shoutouts in this beach. So like 0:52:32.640 --> 0:52:34.520 we so we all have it and we're just talking 0:52:34.600 --> 0:52:36.759 and we're dancing. Some people are dancing. That's what I like. 0:52:36.880 --> 0:52:39.279 I'm older. Yeah, No, I just think that, like like 0:52:39.360 --> 0:52:41.239 you said, like for me, i'd rather go to a 0:52:41.320 --> 0:52:44.800 bar or I'd rather the strip. Club is just like 0:52:44.880 --> 0:52:46.759 home to me. I feel like, what's your favorite movie 0:52:46.880 --> 0:52:49.799 with an all black cast? With an all Black casts. 0:52:49.880 --> 0:52:51.520 You can't see Friday, Friday. 0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:57.759 Cactus TEA fake answer is a fake answer, an answer alert, 0:52:58.000 --> 0:53:01.000 it's the true answer. It's nope, it's nope, it's too much. 0:53:01.160 --> 0:53:03.560 Who's your favorite rapper? Jay z Nah? I didn't say 0:53:03.760 --> 0:53:05.680 z No, But what I'm saying is nope. You can't 0:53:05.680 --> 0:53:06.280 say Friday. 0:53:06.520 --> 0:53:06.839 You can't. 0:53:06.840 --> 0:53:09.000 You gotta go. I'm challenging you to go deeper than that. 0:53:09.719 --> 0:53:13.920 I'm challenging you go deeper than Friday. Would City of 0:53:14.000 --> 0:53:19.400 God count No, No, okay, I mean you wily motherfucker 0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:22.840 you maybe, but not really kind of but no, Moonnight. 0:53:22.960 --> 0:53:26.160 I would say Moonlight. Now, now you're trying to be woke. 0:53:26.400 --> 0:53:27.600 Love moon Night. I love it too. 0:53:27.680 --> 0:53:29.640 It's fucking perfect movie, great movie perfect. 0:53:29.840 --> 0:53:31.719 Try to get Charlotte to watch it. A perfect movie, 0:53:32.200 --> 0:53:34.759 perfect movie perfect. It's a perfect one. While I land better. 0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:37.600 But like, yeah, I can't say. I can't. I can't 0:53:37.600 --> 0:53:38.560 watch anything with singing in it. 0:53:39.080 --> 0:53:41.360 Oh, you'll like musical. No, I can't do it. I 0:53:41.440 --> 0:53:41.759 can't do it. 0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:43.560 My wife was telling me so last night we went 0:53:43.840 --> 0:53:47.239 her favorite musical. I don't know, fuck, probably fucking Little 0:53:47.320 --> 0:53:49.120 mrmimad or some shit. Last night. 0:53:49.400 --> 0:53:49.520 Uh. 0:53:50.280 --> 0:53:52.360 I went to the movies with my family. Her and 0:53:52.440 --> 0:53:54.719 my other son that's ten, went sal Wonka. I went 0:53:54.800 --> 0:53:56.719 and saw Iron Claw with my eighteen year old. Yeah 0:53:57.000 --> 0:54:00.719 that's look shit, it's a fucking say bad movie. Dude, 0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:03.319 keV like you wanted to bond with him. You wanted 0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:04.799 him to know the meaning the family, which is why 0:54:04.840 --> 0:54:06.759 you see that, because that more not me and my 0:54:06.840 --> 0:54:08.759 son are hardcore wrestling fans as I am. 0:54:08.760 --> 0:54:12.879 I'm the number one voice in wrestling media. All right, Yeah, 0:54:13.360 --> 0:54:15.719 that's neude, I'm the number one voice in wrestling media. 0:54:15.760 --> 0:54:17.040 That's not true. Go to my Twitter? Are you? 0:54:17.120 --> 0:54:18.080 Are you trolling Rosenberg? 0:54:18.160 --> 0:54:18.800 Go to my Twitter? 0:54:19.160 --> 0:54:19.799 Is that what it says? 0:54:20.280 --> 0:54:22.160 Yeah, I'm the number one voice. I don't think I'm 0:54:22.239 --> 0:54:24.400 hip to why you're saying that. So is it like 0:54:24.440 --> 0:54:26.080 when Andrew schul said he was the number one voice 0:54:26.080 --> 0:54:27.839 in m M A media and was trolling the other 0:54:27.880 --> 0:54:29.480 guy with the glasses. I don't know what you're talking 0:54:29.480 --> 0:54:30.840 about as far as that's controlled. 0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:32.360 But I didn't know that I. 0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:38.120 Am, And it's been discussed. This is not this is 0:54:38.160 --> 0:54:41.359 not me just saying this. I've been putting. I've been 0:54:41.400 --> 0:54:43.919 put over. Who puts you over a couple of different people, 0:54:43.920 --> 0:54:46.439 because you don't know that I've like I've been put over. 0:54:47.120 --> 0:54:47.759 You know what I'm saying. 0:54:48.040 --> 0:54:49.439 Do you watch wrestling? Those serious questions? 0:54:49.480 --> 0:54:50.279 I am over as fun? 0:54:50.400 --> 0:54:51.319 Do you actually watch though? 0:54:51.800 --> 0:54:54.440 No you don't. Of course I'll watched wrestling. 0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:57.000 Oh okay, of course I'll watch wrestling. Did you watch 0:54:57.080 --> 0:54:59.640 all last night? I haven't. I was at the movies. 0:55:00.080 --> 0:55:01.600 See what I'm saying. This is all I'm talking about 0:55:01.600 --> 0:55:04.560 when I'm talking about white people. You're asking me if 0:55:05.000 --> 0:55:06.839 I watched wrestling last night? 0:55:06.920 --> 0:55:07.719 What was I doing? 0:55:08.160 --> 0:55:11.560 Watching fucking raw? I was watching But I was watching punk. 0:55:11.760 --> 0:55:13.600 And then you're gonna watch an Iron Claw and you're 0:55:13.640 --> 0:55:15.839 gonna come back and you're gonna you didn't even watch 0:55:15.960 --> 0:55:17.839 Rare all last I watched iron Claw. You didn't even 0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:20.960 watch about the von Eriks. I watched Iron Claw about 0:55:21.000 --> 0:55:24.279 the Von Ricks. Yeah, what's your favorite? What's your favorite match? 0:55:24.640 --> 0:55:28.120 From Jimmy Superfly Snooker to what? You didn't answer it 0:55:28.200 --> 0:55:30.240 because you don't know wrestling like I know wrestling. 0:55:30.400 --> 0:55:31.319 That's before my time. 0:55:31.719 --> 0:55:34.600 But I was just joking. I want to say, was it? 0:55:34.719 --> 0:55:37.880 No, it wasn't. Jimmy was Jimmy Superflies. I'm trying to 0:55:37.920 --> 0:55:40.319 think what was WrestleMania. Was it two or three? Where 0:55:40.600 --> 0:55:44.080 fucking macho man. I don't think that was against Jimmy 0:55:44.120 --> 0:55:45.040 Super Superflies. 0:55:45.440 --> 0:55:47.160 You know, I'll be honest with you all, Jose, I'm 0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:50.279 not good at recounting, like individual matches that I love. 0:55:50.320 --> 0:55:51.640 I have individual matches. 0:55:51.360 --> 0:55:51.759 That I love. 0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:53.520 There are but to me, for me, there are certain 0:55:53.600 --> 0:55:55.279 matches that I do love. There's certain matches that I 0:55:55.360 --> 0:55:58.040 love too that I can fall out. But it's more storylines, 0:55:58.239 --> 0:56:02.160 it's more specific moments. It's he'll turns like my favorite 0:56:02.160 --> 0:56:04.200 wrestler run ins ten years. 0:56:04.760 --> 0:56:06.800 Uh, but this is before he passed. Everyone knew this. 0:56:06.840 --> 0:56:09.279 But I love Bray, you love who Bray Whitet. Bray 0:56:09.320 --> 0:56:11.240 White was my guy, dude. 0:56:11.280 --> 0:56:11.879 He was my god. 0:56:12.040 --> 0:56:15.399 Some reason I thought you said Ray and then no Bray. Yeah, 0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:17.279 Ray was that fucking dude. I felt like he was 0:56:17.320 --> 0:56:19.520 so mismanaged and he should have been the guy to 0:56:19.560 --> 0:56:21.680 be fucking Undertaker, not Brock the under thing. 0:56:21.960 --> 0:56:25.239 The other thing that that's tough about being the number 0:56:25.280 --> 0:56:27.960 one voice of pro wrestling and being such a wrestling fan, 0:56:28.000 --> 0:56:29.560 it's such a hard life on the guys Man and 0:56:29.600 --> 0:56:32.279 the ladies. So you're like, it's going to be a 0:56:32.360 --> 0:56:34.600 lot of tragedy. If you were a huge wrestling fan. 0:56:34.640 --> 0:56:37.520 And watching did you watch Iron Call? I did that 0:56:37.800 --> 0:56:42.600 watching that movie, You're like, damn, like wrestling literally like destroyed. 0:56:42.719 --> 0:56:45.480 That's some different shiit. Like I won't shout out to 0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:47.040 Kevin von Eric and like at the end of the 0:56:47.120 --> 0:56:50.279 Iron Claw not to not to see a picture of 0:56:50.360 --> 0:56:52.880 his family, see a picture of his family. I couldn't 0:56:52.880 --> 0:56:53.839 have been happier for him. 0:56:53.760 --> 0:56:55.560 Me too, man, because the whole movie, you're just you 0:56:55.719 --> 0:56:56.400 just feel for him. 0:56:56.440 --> 0:57:01.320 Yeah, I do not want anyone to think it's not 0:57:01.400 --> 0:57:02.800 too far off though. I was gonna say that the 0:57:02.880 --> 0:57:06.880 von Eric family represents the typical wrestling family is trajectory. 0:57:06.960 --> 0:57:09.360 But I mean there's a lot of carnage and a 0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:13.479 lot of tragedy. But that is, man, God bless Kevin 0:57:13.520 --> 0:57:13.919 van Eeric. 0:57:14.040 --> 0:57:17.040 That is that next level, bro. 0:57:17.240 --> 0:57:21.080 That's insaying. Look, I've seen this before. I know in 0:57:21.200 --> 0:57:23.640 my own life. Right now, you know, all my dad, 0:57:24.040 --> 0:57:26.240 my dad, and all his brothers passed away. My father 0:57:26.880 --> 0:57:29.480 like literally in the last fifteen years we lost all 0:57:29.520 --> 0:57:33.040 of those guys, right, So my uncle Mark died then 0:57:33.080 --> 0:57:35.680 my dad died. Then my uncle Milton died. Excuse me, 0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:38.280 my uncle Mark died, My uncle Milton died, my dad died. 0:57:38.200 --> 0:57:40.160 My uncle Ray died. Nobody touched seventy, right. 0:57:40.640 --> 0:57:42.240 So the movie hit me in a different way at 0:57:42.280 --> 0:57:44.560 this time because I'm looking at it and I'm thinking 0:57:44.600 --> 0:57:48.560 about brotherhood bonds, a whole line of family. What it 0:57:48.680 --> 0:57:50.560 meant for my uncle Ray, who just passed away a 0:57:50.600 --> 0:57:52.600 couple of weeks ago, to be the last of his 0:57:52.800 --> 0:57:55.200 brothers and to know that all of those guys are gone. 0:57:55.280 --> 0:57:56.720 You know, he didn't even make it a year and 0:57:56.760 --> 0:57:58.520 a half, two years after my father passed away. I'm 0:57:58.560 --> 0:58:01.760 not sure how much he wanted to be here after 0:58:01.840 --> 0:58:04.560 all of that stuff. And like if you if you 0:58:04.720 --> 0:58:07.200 from bar Rouge or other places like that, you know 0:58:07.520 --> 0:58:11.080 situations where he didn't got killed, his brother didn't got killed, 0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:12.880 she did, his mom, and then got killed everybody. So 0:58:12.960 --> 0:58:16.400 it's not like I don't know tragedy situations like that 0:58:16.760 --> 0:58:18.120 when it happened to them in the way that that 0:58:18.200 --> 0:58:22.400 happened to them. Just the bizarre, hyper tragic nature of 0:58:22.560 --> 0:58:28.440 all of it. It gives it this weird, almost spiritual 0:58:28.600 --> 0:58:31.320 through line. And you try to wonder when you're watching 0:58:31.360 --> 0:58:35.040 the movie or you're ingusting a story like that, you wonder, 0:58:35.200 --> 0:58:38.080 like what's the point, Like what is like what what 0:58:38.360 --> 0:58:39.960 did all of that tragedy mean? 0:58:40.040 --> 0:58:41.920 There has to be a meaning for. 0:58:42.040 --> 0:58:47.880 Someone to lose one kid from uh uh getting electrocuted, 0:58:48.000 --> 0:58:53.920 another kid from uh suicide, another kid from suicide, another 0:58:54.080 --> 0:58:59.320 kid had gastro inter. I think three sons committed suicid. 0:58:59.360 --> 0:59:02.440 I think it was carry Michael and and the youngest one. 0:59:02.520 --> 0:59:04.800 So three suicides and then all that you have, you wonder, 0:59:05.320 --> 0:59:07.760 you know, especially as they get older, even like Carrie, 0:59:07.880 --> 0:59:11.120 like losing his leg, well done the movie, Carrie losing 0:59:11.200 --> 0:59:15.880 his just free accident after freak accident. It's just a crazy, crazy, crazy. 0:59:15.640 --> 0:59:17.840 Story, great movie that everybody should go check it. Zach 0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:19.040 Efron's fucking jacked. 0:59:19.320 --> 0:59:23.120 He's big, bro. What did he what? I want to know? 0:59:23.240 --> 0:59:26.000 Like, that's like committing to a role because he turned 0:59:26.040 --> 0:59:31.720 into like a fucking John Cena level yoked ass, fucking 0:59:31.920 --> 0:59:34.560 big big. I mean, you know, I wanted to ask 0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:37.919 you because uh you obviously the shots of the Higher 0:59:37.960 --> 0:59:40.040 Learning podcast, But what's it like Working with a guy 0:59:40.080 --> 0:59:42.720 like Bill Simmons is great because I listened to the 0:59:42.880 --> 0:59:45.360 Bill Simmons part. I've been listening for like ten years, 0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:47.840 so almost every almost literally almost every episode. 0:59:47.880 --> 0:59:50.400 So here's the thing. So imagine that you're a person 0:59:50.560 --> 0:59:52.920 like myself, right, and you have all of these varied interests. 0:59:53.280 --> 0:59:57.800 You're probably the number one guy in terms of wrestling. 0:59:57.840 --> 1:00:01.440 Because you're you're unrewatchables a lot too now, but in history, yeah. 1:00:01.600 --> 1:00:03.640 I'm on you know, and but you love that. You 1:00:03.760 --> 1:00:06.240 love movies, you love sports, and you love politics, you 1:00:06.320 --> 1:00:10.320 love history. Uh, you are very invested into black culture. 1:00:10.920 --> 1:00:14.120 You have thoughts on so many different things, video games, 1:00:14.320 --> 1:00:18.600 and then there's one place that somebody knows how to 1:00:19.240 --> 1:00:24.440 give you the opportunity to uh express, develop and utilize 1:00:24.520 --> 1:00:26.640 those talents and those interests. It's not just about the 1:00:26.680 --> 1:00:29.200 fact that you're good at talking, because I think that 1:00:29.320 --> 1:00:30.760 if you talk enough, you'll get good at it, right, 1:00:31.960 --> 1:00:34.120 and if you get blind to the camera, then you'll 1:00:34.160 --> 1:00:34.600 do your thing. 1:00:35.480 --> 1:00:39.480 Sorry, James Andre Jefferson Junior just finished the workout. We're 1:00:39.520 --> 1:00:44.600 in a competition. I'm listening one place I'm listening. I'm 1:00:44.680 --> 1:00:46.360 listening to that now. 1:00:46.400 --> 1:00:47.000 I like my job. 1:00:47.040 --> 1:00:48.440 Fucking No, go ahead and say you're gonna check your 1:00:48.440 --> 1:00:50.400 wife wile I'm doing my ship going. 1:00:50.680 --> 1:00:52.720 It's enough. That's enough. That's enough. That's on, that's on 1:00:52.800 --> 1:00:54.760 the that's on. McKinley, Hi, I'm not finishing that ship. 1:00:55.280 --> 1:00:57.080 Well, well, I gotta make sure. I always have to 1:00:57.280 --> 1:00:59.920 make sure it's not my kid or my wife. It's always. 1:01:00.000 --> 1:01:02.240 But if your kid has an emergency right now, you're 1:01:02.280 --> 1:01:05.840 sitting down with the nigga who told Kanye Off, I 1:01:05.880 --> 1:01:08.080 think you got to make decisions. You know what I'm 1:01:08.080 --> 1:01:12.040 saying like that, that to me, That to me is disrespectful. Yeah, daddy, daddy, 1:01:12.080 --> 1:01:14.880 I need ice cream. Daddy, Daddy, I skinned my knee. Hey, 1:01:15.080 --> 1:01:17.560 your kid's name is Justin right? Hey, No, my kid's 1:01:17.600 --> 1:01:20.240 name is not Justin. Probably probably it's Aiden either. First 1:01:20.240 --> 1:01:23.080 of all, both my kids are mixed Justin or Aiden. 1:01:23.680 --> 1:01:24.560 See how close that is? 1:01:24.640 --> 1:01:27.000 Aiden and Millennium nigga? 1:01:27.040 --> 1:01:29.040 What yeah Millennium. 1:01:29.280 --> 1:01:32.720 Yeah, my ten year old names is Millennium. 1:01:32.800 --> 1:01:37.520 Yeah, Millennium. Yeah. But then what I mean, there's gotta 1:01:37.520 --> 1:01:39.280 be a story. Uh. 1:01:39.520 --> 1:01:44.480 So me and my wife Black Lady, No, she's Mexican, 1:01:44.640 --> 1:01:47.640 but my my son Millennium is So we met when 1:01:48.440 --> 1:01:50.320 he was three, So I have an eighteen year old 1:01:50.360 --> 1:01:54.760 from my previous relationship, right, who I've had custody of 1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:57.440 the whole time, me and my girl when we started dating. 1:01:57.960 --> 1:02:02.440 Her son is three, but he's never met his dad. So, uh. 1:02:03.000 --> 1:02:07.480 She was watching TV one day, uh, and there was 1:02:07.560 --> 1:02:09.439 like a Millennium Productions at the end of a TV 1:02:09.520 --> 1:02:12.320 show or something, and she was like, nobody else is 1:02:12.400 --> 1:02:13.800 gonna name their kid this. I want a one of 1:02:13.840 --> 1:02:15.840 one name. She's right about that, So we call him 1:02:15.880 --> 1:02:19.560 Millie Millennium MILLI. Yeah, it's that really the hip hop 1:02:19.600 --> 1:02:21.479 shit again? A cat this T shirt a million million 1:02:21.600 --> 1:02:23.880 milli a Melli. No, but he's he's a what is 1:02:23.920 --> 1:02:24.200 he into? 1:02:24.360 --> 1:02:24.760 He wraps? 1:02:25.040 --> 1:02:29.120 He plays basketball? Now he's he's Mexican Black and Puerto Rican. 1:02:29.640 --> 1:02:32.520 Oh man, Yeah, he about to be hell on these 1:02:32.560 --> 1:02:33.160 holes man. 1:02:33.840 --> 1:02:35.560 Yeah, that's a crazy Now. 1:02:35.640 --> 1:02:37.200 He's a big he's a he's a big, big hooper. 1:02:37.240 --> 1:02:39.000 Though he does like what do he play? Like he 1:02:39.080 --> 1:02:40.440 played with Matt Kids or something like that. 1:02:40.960 --> 1:02:43.280 Uh, he's in this Burbank league and then he does 1:02:43.320 --> 1:02:45.960 this AAU tournament and sure, a thousand oaks. What are 1:02:46.000 --> 1:02:47.120 you like as a basketball dad? 1:02:47.160 --> 1:02:49.680 Are you like? Let me let me pick up the 1:02:49.680 --> 1:02:51.240 bill Simons question real qick because I want to faix 1:02:51.280 --> 1:02:53.800 this so I enjoy working with the ringer. I enjoy 1:02:53.880 --> 1:02:56.320 working with the Ringer because I'll say this is last sense. 1:02:56.320 --> 1:02:57.840 It's one thing to go to a place where you're 1:02:57.840 --> 1:03:00.440 telling you. It's another place to work a place where 1:03:00.480 --> 1:03:04.760 your interests right, It's different, it's different. You're talent being 1:03:04.880 --> 1:03:07.600 utilized means hey, you're good at talking about something. We're 1:03:07.640 --> 1:03:09.720 gonna make you talk about this thing that you don't 1:03:09.760 --> 1:03:13.960 really care about that much so that you can do 1:03:14.120 --> 1:03:15.800 something for us, because we need you to feel a spot. 1:03:15.640 --> 1:03:18.040 Well, like for like rewatchables, do you like tell them like, Hey, 1:03:18.040 --> 1:03:20.000 if you ever do this movie, I want to be 1:03:20.080 --> 1:03:21.160 a ike. That's my ship. 1:03:21.360 --> 1:03:24.480 Not necessarily, but it'll it'll be a situation to where 1:03:24.480 --> 1:03:27.280 it's like, hey, h do you like this movie? 1:03:27.440 --> 1:03:29.640 Or you'll get a list of movies like hey, tell 1:03:29.680 --> 1:03:31.400 us which ones you like? Yeah, and then you tell 1:03:31.600 --> 1:03:34.200 what you watch what was fucking amazing. It's a great podcast. 1:03:34.320 --> 1:03:36.440 Just think about it, so think about how pure it is. 1:03:36.520 --> 1:03:39.160 It's just a podcast about rewatching old movies and talk 1:03:39.200 --> 1:03:43.000 about talking about what the movie meant culturally, what you care, 1:03:43.120 --> 1:03:45.360 how much you care about the movie where you were 1:03:45.520 --> 1:03:46.040 at the time. 1:03:46.160 --> 1:03:47.800 Yeah, Like, in terms of like any of my non 1:03:47.920 --> 1:03:51.840 hip hop like podcast listening, it's pretty much all Ringer 1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:56.280 Universe and Joe Rogan. Yeah, because I fucking love I 1:03:56.400 --> 1:03:59.760 love the mismatch too with Verno and Kevin O'Connell my 1:04:00.120 --> 1:04:02.800 my NBA shit big Rogan guy. Huh Yeah, I like Rogan. 1:04:02.960 --> 1:04:03.920 What do you like about him? 1:04:04.480 --> 1:04:07.880 I just like the fact that, like anybody who comes 1:04:08.160 --> 1:04:11.000 like it's like he'll have a crazy conversation with like 1:04:11.040 --> 1:04:13.760 a comedian, and then I'll have another conversation with like 1:04:14.400 --> 1:04:18.600 some dude who's like self efficient setting up like farmland 1:04:18.680 --> 1:04:21.560 grid and then another guy who like talked about like 1:04:21.680 --> 1:04:25.880 fucking you know, uh, like like mapping out the. 1:04:25.920 --> 1:04:27.960 Old world, you know what I mean. 1:04:28.440 --> 1:04:30.320 I mean he did an interview with the with the 1:04:30.360 --> 1:04:34.400 guy who went and investigated the the the minds in Congo, 1:04:34.800 --> 1:04:38.240 the cobalt mines in Congo. That was fucking crazy. That Like, 1:04:38.720 --> 1:04:41.200 I just feel like if you if Joe Rogan, there's enough. 1:04:41.520 --> 1:04:45.640 It's just such a vast range of conversations makes you 1:04:45.800 --> 1:04:48.160 gives you more tools in your intellectual tool thought. And 1:04:48.160 --> 1:04:49.720 I wouldn't even say that it's just kind of like 1:04:49.800 --> 1:04:52.280 because I don't agree with everything that's said on the podcast. 1:04:52.320 --> 1:04:53.600 You know, like the nigger word. 1:04:54.880 --> 1:04:57.640 Well yeah, I mean, wait, you do agree with the 1:04:57.720 --> 1:05:00.800 nigger didn't say that? Well, see look at what this is. 1:05:00.800 --> 1:05:02.560 The way, this is the way. This is why you 1:05:02.640 --> 1:05:05.840 gotta be careful because like you're you're you know what 1:05:06.280 --> 1:05:10.480 this this this is TM level. This is where yeah, 1:05:10.600 --> 1:05:11.840 well you think I learned that. This is where you 1:05:11.880 --> 1:05:13.840 gotta be. This is where you gotta be careful. This 1:05:13.880 --> 1:05:15.880 is way you gotta be careful because I could make that. 1:05:15.960 --> 1:05:17.640 I could that I could make that clip look a 1:05:17.680 --> 1:05:20.200 crazy way in my head, that's what I can make. 1:05:20.120 --> 1:05:22.520 That cool crazy Like, No, you can't make it look 1:05:22.600 --> 1:05:23.040 that crazy. 1:05:23.480 --> 1:05:26.120 Yes, again on Joe Rogan, like, I'm like, I'm like, 1:05:26.400 --> 1:05:28.880 like the nigger word, which is a joke, and you went, well, 1:05:30.360 --> 1:05:31.880 you said you don't agree with it. I don't agree 1:05:31.920 --> 1:05:35.600 with everything that, obviously, I'll like, well, like, no, obviously 1:05:35.680 --> 1:05:37.640 I don't agree with that. No, obviously I don't agree 1:05:37.640 --> 1:05:39.040 with you're trying to this is. 1:05:39.040 --> 1:05:39.560 What we're gonna do. 1:05:39.600 --> 1:05:41.480 What were your thought, Well, I'm gonna take this and 1:05:41.520 --> 1:05:44.080 I'm gonna clip this and and try to ruin and 1:05:44.160 --> 1:05:46.200 then I'm gonna put it out there and I'm gonna 1:05:46.240 --> 1:05:48.440 I'm gonna do this whole thing in k fade I'm 1:05:48.440 --> 1:05:50.720 gonna do. I'm gonna do wrestling terms. I'm gonna do 1:05:50.800 --> 1:05:53.200 this whole thing. I'm gonna clip this piece of this 1:05:53.560 --> 1:05:56.120 of this interview I'm gonna put out there. I'm gonna 1:05:56.120 --> 1:05:59.200 put it on Twitter. He's gonna like, I'm gonna say 1:06:00.160 --> 1:06:04.400 lead keV hesitates to answer whether or not I'm telling 1:06:04.800 --> 1:06:06.640 I'm teaching everybody right now how to cook a headline. 1:06:06.680 --> 1:06:08.240 You know what's the point and shoot, here you go. 1:06:08.400 --> 1:06:10.320 I'm teaching everybody right now how to cook a headline. 1:06:10.680 --> 1:06:12.480 This is how you cook a headline. When you're writing 1:06:12.520 --> 1:06:14.320 the headline, there are three things you need. Number One 1:06:14.480 --> 1:06:22.520 conflict like for example, uh, black iPhone on desk? No conflict? Right, 1:06:23.720 --> 1:06:27.320 How do you inject conflict into that headline about the 1:06:27.400 --> 1:06:28.560 black iPhone on the desk? 1:06:30.640 --> 1:06:34.720 Device made by child slave labor. 1:06:35.560 --> 1:06:40.600 In China, left on desk. Now you have something that. 1:06:40.760 --> 1:06:41.760 Is it'll peak. 1:06:41.920 --> 1:06:44.320 You'll be like, oh, oh, what is this device that 1:06:44.480 --> 1:06:46.880 was made by child Let me see what is this? 1:06:47.520 --> 1:06:50.600 Why do we need children to make this device. What's 1:06:50.680 --> 1:06:52.640 the thing? What it is? That's the way you do 1:06:53.200 --> 1:06:55.960 that headline. One headline is I'm not gonna I don't 1:06:55.960 --> 1:06:58.000 care about the iPhone be on the desk, but something 1:06:58.040 --> 1:07:00.680 that kids slaves made. I care about that. Click on 1:07:00.760 --> 1:07:03.640 the headline. Okay, oh it's an iPhone. Fuck it's an iPhone, right, 1:07:03.800 --> 1:07:07.360 selective age right now, you're going there now. But by 1:07:07.360 --> 1:07:10.680 the time you get to the fact that it's an iPhone, 1:07:11.040 --> 1:07:13.600 got your bitch then clicked my ship. 1:07:14.000 --> 1:07:17.840 Aha, dummy, it was just about an iPhone that someone 1:07:17.920 --> 1:07:19.360 left under, did you? I mean? 1:07:19.640 --> 1:07:25.640 Is that me finished? Pleaset tea? Now we take we 1:07:25.840 --> 1:07:31.800 take you right? And I asked you a question. You 1:07:32.000 --> 1:07:34.680 balked at it. I'm not sure why if I cut 1:07:34.760 --> 1:07:37.120 it off right, if I cut it off, if I 1:07:37.200 --> 1:07:39.560 cut it off right there, I don't. 1:07:39.400 --> 1:07:39.800 Have to lie. 1:07:39.840 --> 1:07:43.440 It's not a lie. I can do it two ways. 1:07:43.840 --> 1:07:47.400 I can either ask a question that incites conflict, which is, 1:07:48.320 --> 1:07:49.720 by the way, is this TMZ one on one? 1:07:50.000 --> 1:07:50.200 Yeah? 1:07:50.280 --> 1:07:54.560 Okay, watch Bootleg? And there are people much better at 1:07:54.600 --> 1:07:56.920 it than I want. I was in terms of like 1:07:57.560 --> 1:08:02.840 headline writing, like much better right, watch Bootleg, Watch Bootleg. 1:08:02.960 --> 1:08:10.120 keV hesitate when asked if he supports Joe Rogan's inWORD use. Now, 1:08:10.200 --> 1:08:11.600 you could do it that way, I wouldn't do that, 1:08:11.760 --> 1:08:14.040 because that's leading too much. It's actually not the type 1:08:14.040 --> 1:08:14.720 of headline. 1:08:14.400 --> 1:08:14.760 I will write. 1:08:14.760 --> 1:08:20.800 I will write, I will watch boot Bootleg keV. I'll 1:08:20.800 --> 1:08:24.759 probably put it in quotes, Bootleg keV on Joe Rogan's 1:08:24.800 --> 1:08:29.560 inWORD use well, and I'll put that in quote. And 1:08:29.680 --> 1:08:30.880 I will put that in quote. I will do like 1:08:30.960 --> 1:08:32.519 whatever you said, I will like. I would like I 1:08:32.560 --> 1:08:34.720 would put Bootleg keV because this because then I got 1:08:34.800 --> 1:08:36.439 this is what I want. What I want the headline 1:08:36.560 --> 1:08:40.160 number one audio. I don't want your name, God bless you. 1:08:40.880 --> 1:08:43.120 You know whose name? Who names? Whose name? Do I want? 1:08:44.600 --> 1:08:46.719 That's the name I want. So I want Joe Rogan's 1:08:46.800 --> 1:08:49.120 name in the headline. Okay, so I want Joe. I 1:08:49.200 --> 1:08:51.439 might even go I might even do this. I might 1:08:51.479 --> 1:08:54.760 even put above the headline. I might put Joe Rogan right, 1:08:55.160 --> 1:09:01.280 and then I might put uh uh podcast or Cactus 1:09:01.320 --> 1:09:08.960 t agrees or balks or hesitates when asked if he 1:09:09.280 --> 1:09:14.280 likes inward usage on Joe Rogan experience boom, We're going everywhere? Now, 1:09:14.560 --> 1:09:16.600 then this is what I'll do. Then I'll take the 1:09:16.720 --> 1:09:19.240 clip of Joe Rogan saying the in word over and 1:09:19.320 --> 1:09:22.000 over and over again. That's a subasset in the post 1:09:22.080 --> 1:09:23.280 that's at the bottom of the post. 1:09:23.360 --> 1:09:25.920 All right, really yeah, this is this sounds this sounds yeah, 1:09:25.960 --> 1:09:27.680 how I see it. This is how you do it. 1:09:27.920 --> 1:09:30.519 Then as a subasset at the bottom of the post. 1:09:30.720 --> 1:09:33.280 And then I put tags and all throughout there. I 1:09:33.320 --> 1:09:36.400 got hyperlinks, I got, I got Rogan's apology in the post. 1:09:36.760 --> 1:09:39.160 I got Rogan saying the inward in the post. I 1:09:39.280 --> 1:09:41.519 got the whole nine. And then I leave off on. 1:09:41.560 --> 1:09:46.320 A question I'm wondering because you obviously worked at TMZ, 1:09:46.520 --> 1:09:49.680 right your I mean, you have one of the more 1:09:49.720 --> 1:09:55.080 famous moments ever. Was there ever anything you're a part 1:09:55.120 --> 1:09:57.240 of over there that you ever like regretted later on 1:09:57.360 --> 1:10:00.160 in terms of like maybe a particular story or like 1:10:00.200 --> 1:10:03.680 what you just told me you like that, like you 1:10:03.800 --> 1:10:05.599 just walked me through this whole thing, which was essentially 1:10:05.680 --> 1:10:08.280 your job. Was there ever anything you you look back 1:10:08.360 --> 1:10:12.080 on and you're like, like, damn that I was. 1:10:12.080 --> 1:10:13.640 A part of, that you were a part of, or 1:10:13.680 --> 1:10:15.320 is there plenty of things that happened at TMC that 1:10:15.360 --> 1:10:17.479 I was embarrassed about, not even just that you were 1:10:17.479 --> 1:10:19.280 at TMZ four, but like maybe it was a story 1:10:19.280 --> 1:10:20.679 you wrote that maybe you got wrong initials. 1:10:20.760 --> 1:10:22.719 You maybe felt you like it was an unfair approach 1:10:22.760 --> 1:10:26.360 to that person that after you got later context, you 1:10:26.600 --> 1:10:30.120 maybe you know, were like, fuck, don't see. 1:10:30.240 --> 1:10:35.120 Here's the thing about me. There is one time, and 1:10:36.040 --> 1:10:38.960 it's there's something that I learned from it. There was 1:10:39.040 --> 1:10:43.760 one time where I did this whole thing with a 1:10:44.800 --> 1:10:49.080 porn star that I found out wasn't sleeping with Black talent, right, okay, 1:10:49.320 --> 1:10:53.160 and so and I named the porn star mmm, the 1:10:53.240 --> 1:10:55.280 way I would do that now, because it was it 1:10:55.400 --> 1:10:58.840 was kind of like, I'm just I'm on TV. It's early, 1:10:58.880 --> 1:11:00.960 and I'm reckless. I'm just Hey, I found out that 1:11:01.000 --> 1:11:04.000 this porn start that everyone likes doesn't sleep with black talent, 1:11:04.680 --> 1:11:07.640 and who is the porn start on camera? Well, if 1:11:07.680 --> 1:11:10.400 I do that now, it makes no sense. True. So 1:11:10.840 --> 1:11:12.960 if I found out that they didn't sleep with black talent, 1:11:13.280 --> 1:11:17.400 and so I asked a question about it, and they weren't, like, 1:11:18.080 --> 1:11:21.479 they weren't into porn. So the entire room, they don't 1:11:21.520 --> 1:11:23.720 really know what's going on, right, so they're like, oh 1:11:23.840 --> 1:11:26.240 my God, like, oh my god, blah blah blah. Harvey 1:11:26.280 --> 1:11:28.479 goes crazy, he loves the story. They put it up, 1:11:28.680 --> 1:11:30.639 They put her up there, they do the whole thing. Now, 1:11:30.880 --> 1:11:34.120 to me, is it a relevant conversation to have about 1:11:34.880 --> 1:11:40.120 racism and porn or why certain porn stars won't do 1:11:40.400 --> 1:11:43.000 scenes with black guys? Sure, is a relevant conversation, but 1:11:43.120 --> 1:11:47.360 it's such a wides widespread thing that's probably unfair to 1:11:47.439 --> 1:11:49.599 make one person the face of that, right, if you're 1:11:49.600 --> 1:11:52.000 going to talk about it the way you talk about 1:11:52.040 --> 1:11:55.320 it and not make one person the victim of a 1:11:55.400 --> 1:11:58.160 lot of vituall when that person might not necessarily be 1:11:58.280 --> 1:12:02.680 a racist. Is you just say hey, you ask the 1:12:02.720 --> 1:12:04.160 same question because I asked them by on the street. 1:12:04.160 --> 1:12:05.920 I said, hey, blah blah blah blah blah, doesn't do that. 1:12:06.160 --> 1:12:09.080 I name the person. You just say, hey, my favorite 1:12:09.080 --> 1:12:11.320 points are ports are alike or whatever whatever like that, 1:12:11.439 --> 1:12:13.400 and then you you have the same conversation. You get 1:12:13.439 --> 1:12:16.880 the same fears, but somebody doesn't have to bear the brunt. 1:12:16.680 --> 1:12:19.799 Of it because it's it's an industry wide It's. 1:12:19.640 --> 1:12:21.519 Not an industry wide thing. Only certain people do it, 1:12:21.560 --> 1:12:23.240 you know, not talking about just the racism and porn 1:12:23.400 --> 1:12:25.640 in general. Racism and porn is an industry wide thing. Now, 1:12:25.640 --> 1:12:27.080 I don't have any problem talking about that, and I 1:12:27.080 --> 1:12:30.240 don't have any problem asking somebody, Okay, well then what's 1:12:30.280 --> 1:12:31.840 the reason that you wouldn't work with black talent? 1:12:32.080 --> 1:12:32.800 What is that reason? 1:12:32.840 --> 1:12:39.640 Because there, it's that is it's it's such a fundamental, 1:12:40.439 --> 1:12:43.479 such a fundamentally troubling thing to me, Like okay, you're 1:12:44.120 --> 1:12:45.200 you'll do all of this. 1:12:45.320 --> 1:12:45.960 But like not that. 1:12:46.800 --> 1:12:50.240 I mean, later on I figured out that they've talked 1:12:50.240 --> 1:12:52.080 to enough people black and white, and they told me 1:12:52.160 --> 1:12:53.640 that they are just straight up business reasons for it. 1:12:53.760 --> 1:12:55.479 Whatever it's their industry. I'm not gonna get involved with it. 1:12:55.560 --> 1:12:58.000 They can fight their own battle. But what I'm saying 1:12:58.120 --> 1:13:00.680 is whatever it is, whatever it is, forget about it, 1:13:00.800 --> 1:13:05.040 whatever it is. What I have to do is be 1:13:05.200 --> 1:13:08.519 really intentional when I want someone to wear a problem, 1:13:09.040 --> 1:13:11.080 when I want to put a problem on somebody, when 1:13:11.080 --> 1:13:14.040 you're on television, when you have a microphone in front 1:13:14.040 --> 1:13:17.519 of you, you have to be super intentionally, super intentional 1:13:17.640 --> 1:13:21.080 when you call somebody out, because when you call somebody out, 1:13:21.280 --> 1:13:23.920 you make them the issue that you're talking about and 1:13:24.040 --> 1:13:26.679 they have to have earned that to such a degree 1:13:27.000 --> 1:13:30.560 that you have to be so sure about that, or 1:13:30.600 --> 1:13:32.840 else you just don't care about your own responsibility. That's 1:13:32.880 --> 1:13:34.800 something that I regretted or something that I learned to 1:13:34.840 --> 1:13:37.679 do differently. As far as stories that I might have broken, 1:13:38.120 --> 1:13:40.360 to be honest with you, not really, and I'll tell 1:13:40.400 --> 1:13:44.120 you why. The stories that I was involved with, they 1:13:44.560 --> 1:13:48.639 weren't that big a deal. Like my job at TMZ. 1:13:48.800 --> 1:13:51.320 I wrote a lot of stories. But my job at TMZ, 1:13:52.760 --> 1:13:56.640 especially after the first couple of years, because you know, 1:13:56.880 --> 1:13:58.920 I was on the street. Well you started with like 1:13:59.000 --> 1:14:00.800 the tourist, I was on the team, and then I 1:14:00.920 --> 1:14:05.840 was on the street right with the camera. Sometimes those 1:14:05.880 --> 1:14:08.639 interactions I would regret, just like running up on somebody 1:14:08.800 --> 1:14:14.600 like yeah, and it's because I'm from the South. And 1:14:14.720 --> 1:14:16.439 for the most part, that job was fun. And for 1:14:16.520 --> 1:14:19.120 the most part, for the most part, celebrities in Los 1:14:19.160 --> 1:14:21.559 Angeles they know the do. They're cool, they're cool, they're 1:14:21.560 --> 1:14:23.720 they're down to have a good time. But every once 1:14:23.760 --> 1:14:26.560 in a while, you put the camera on somebody and 1:14:26.920 --> 1:14:30.240 you look and they'd have that look of I'm really 1:14:30.320 --> 1:14:33.080 having a fucked up day, Like something's going on with me, 1:14:33.680 --> 1:14:36.400 like something's happening, or you put your camera on somebody 1:14:36.439 --> 1:14:38.720 and they would be like, I know, crying, or they 1:14:38.760 --> 1:14:40.479 would be sad, or you know, they're. 1:14:40.320 --> 1:14:44.040 With their kids. Was there a specific instance you can recall? 1:14:44.840 --> 1:14:48.559 Not really, not a specific one that I can recall. 1:14:48.960 --> 1:14:50.559 You know, of course you would have people get mad 1:14:50.640 --> 1:14:55.000 at you, but uh not one where I felt that 1:14:55.040 --> 1:14:57.200 I can recall that I felt really really bad about. 1:14:57.240 --> 1:15:02.479 But I just know that it was like there were 1:15:02.600 --> 1:15:04.720 certain times to where I was like, I ain't not 1:15:04.800 --> 1:15:05.719 fucking feeling this today. 1:15:05.840 --> 1:15:08.639 The paparazzi game is such an interesting one. I always 1:15:08.800 --> 1:15:11.479 have been like super intrigued by it. Like I watched 1:15:12.000 --> 1:15:14.040 did you ever see the Netflix show? It was only 1:15:14.120 --> 1:15:17.160 one season where they like the ambulance chasers who they 1:15:17.200 --> 1:15:19.200 go and they get the footage on like accidents and 1:15:19.280 --> 1:15:20.920 then they sell it to like the news stations and 1:15:20.960 --> 1:15:23.920 stuff like that. Yeah, crazy show. I forget what it 1:15:24.040 --> 1:15:24.320 was called. 1:15:24.360 --> 1:15:24.599 So good. 1:15:24.640 --> 1:15:27.080 It was actually like a Netflix original. But like on 1:15:27.200 --> 1:15:29.880 the paparazzi side, it's like someone's gonna do that job, right, 1:15:30.840 --> 1:15:34.479 Those people like have to, I mean, if that's their profession, 1:15:34.600 --> 1:15:36.880 Like I'm sure paparazzi have kids, they have families, They 1:15:36.880 --> 1:15:40.519 got to support themselves. Was it like, are there like 1:15:41.080 --> 1:15:43.000 people who have just been doing this job because it 1:15:43.040 --> 1:15:45.800 feels like a means to doing something else if you're 1:15:45.800 --> 1:15:48.679 doing that job, or there are people who like they're 1:15:48.760 --> 1:15:49.599 thirty years. 1:15:49.560 --> 1:15:50.800 They've been doing it for a long time, but doing 1:15:50.800 --> 1:15:52.280 it as long as they can do it for right, 1:15:52.880 --> 1:15:55.040 because there's always somebody new, and. 1:15:56.560 --> 1:15:58.080 Because I think that, like the guys who get like 1:15:58.160 --> 1:16:00.920 the real private photos and I'm like, damn, so let 1:16:00.960 --> 1:16:05.240 me tell you something about that or anything this. 1:16:06.000 --> 1:16:08.439 There are very few jobs, any type of job that 1:16:08.520 --> 1:16:12.840 you can do that are completely devoid of integrity. Like 1:16:13.240 --> 1:16:15.880 drug dealing is bad. We act like it's not, but 1:16:16.120 --> 1:16:16.320 it is. 1:16:16.360 --> 1:16:17.000 Oh, it's terrible. 1:16:17.120 --> 1:16:20.880 Drug dealing is bad. Right, there are levels to drug dealers. 1:16:21.280 --> 1:16:25.560 There's a way to do drug dealing, to deal drugs. 1:16:25.320 --> 1:16:27.080 And we're talking about serious drugs here, talking about. 1:16:26.880 --> 1:16:30.719 Serious yes, Like there are a way to deal drugs 1:16:30.800 --> 1:16:35.720 to do less harm than somebody else. Like hey, I 1:16:35.800 --> 1:16:38.080 won't deal drugs to a seven year old kid. I 1:16:38.160 --> 1:16:40.760 won't deal drugs to a pregnant lady. I won't deal 1:16:40.840 --> 1:16:42.960 drugs Like there are ways to do that. Now, it's 1:16:43.040 --> 1:16:45.160 all bad, right, but there are ways to even do 1:16:45.360 --> 1:16:47.920 that with integrity. Right. So, if you look at being 1:16:47.960 --> 1:16:51.400 a paparazzi as an inherently bad thing, which once again, 1:16:51.479 --> 1:16:54.320 it's part of a celebrity ecosystem, it's really not any 1:16:54.400 --> 1:16:58.080 different than anything else. Like your famous. Part of being 1:16:58.200 --> 1:17:02.439 famous is leveraging and people take your picture. It's part 1:17:02.479 --> 1:17:08.960 of a celebrity ecosystem. In and of itself is not bad. However, 1:17:10.320 --> 1:17:14.800 the nature of the job sometimes can lend itself to 1:17:14.880 --> 1:17:19.200 being hyper competitive. And when it's hyper competitive, then that 1:17:19.479 --> 1:17:22.200 means that the humanity of the subjects on the other 1:17:22.280 --> 1:17:23.600 side of the camera. 1:17:25.000 --> 1:17:26.400 Are not being taken into consideration. 1:17:27.120 --> 1:17:29.479 So if it's and the same thing about anything else, 1:17:30.600 --> 1:17:33.880 it's I gotta be first. I gotta get the picture. 1:17:35.200 --> 1:17:37.320 I gotta get the racist photo. So I'll stick my 1:17:37.400 --> 1:17:40.679 camera up your dress. So I'll doorstep you, which means 1:17:40.760 --> 1:17:42.320 I'll be outside of your house waiting for you to 1:17:42.360 --> 1:17:44.639 come outside your house. Don't know what's gonna come outside 1:17:44.640 --> 1:17:49.600 your house. Doorstepping people, which Timz didn't do. I'll incite you. 1:17:50.240 --> 1:17:52.240 I'll put the camera in your face and ask you 1:17:52.280 --> 1:17:54.320 about your friend who died to try to get you 1:17:54.400 --> 1:17:56.080 to cry or try to make you mad, because that 1:17:56.120 --> 1:18:00.000 picture is gonna go everywhere because once it gets hyper competitive, 1:18:00.080 --> 1:18:02.680 if and the capitalism gets involved, then that makes you 1:18:02.800 --> 1:18:05.320 look at the person as you're a big game hunter. 1:18:05.400 --> 1:18:07.519 Now you're not a photographer anymore. Now you're trying to 1:18:07.560 --> 1:18:07.880 get something. 1:18:07.960 --> 1:18:09.559 You're trying to get something to sell to a site. 1:18:09.960 --> 1:18:12.800 Right, So there's to if you're a freelancer, if you're TMZ, 1:18:12.920 --> 1:18:15.000 you work for TMZ, right, you got to abide by 1:18:15.040 --> 1:18:17.960 their rules, right, And like the way it's supposed to 1:18:18.000 --> 1:18:20.040 be at TMZ is if you pick your camera up 1:18:20.080 --> 1:18:21.720 someone says, hey, I'm not into it, you shut your 1:18:21.760 --> 1:18:24.479 camera down, right to be respectful. Right, it's more of 1:18:24.520 --> 1:18:27.200 an on the street interview than it is actually just 1:18:27.240 --> 1:18:30.720 snapping pictures. That is not to separate what TMZ paparazzi 1:18:30.800 --> 1:18:34.280 are doing from anybody else. I was on the street 1:18:34.320 --> 1:18:37.080 with a lot of different guys and most of them 1:18:37.160 --> 1:18:40.960 are cool, Like most of them are cool, But then 1:18:41.000 --> 1:18:44.600 you have some guys that don't give a fuck that 1:18:44.720 --> 1:18:46.600 are going to get the shot. However, they're going to 1:18:46.640 --> 1:18:48.640 get the shot, and if they have to follow you 1:18:48.720 --> 1:18:50.360 for a little while. If they have to wait outside 1:18:50.400 --> 1:18:52.400 your kids' school, if they have to do all of 1:18:52.439 --> 1:18:54.360 that stuff, they're gonna get it. And so what I'm 1:18:54.400 --> 1:18:57.280 saying is that's not indicative of the industry per se. 1:18:57.840 --> 1:19:01.160 To me, it's indicative of what that person is willing 1:19:01.200 --> 1:19:03.040 to do to get an extra buck or to succeed. 1:19:04.160 --> 1:19:07.640 That's yeah. I think it's just like, you know, I 1:19:08.360 --> 1:19:10.320 feel like living here, you kind of see it a 1:19:10.360 --> 1:19:13.600 little differently because, like you said, like you'll talk to 1:19:13.720 --> 1:19:17.240 people and they'll they'll like management will call and be like, Yo, 1:19:17.520 --> 1:19:21.519 my client's leaving this restaurant at this time. 1:19:22.160 --> 1:19:23.920 Yeah, And I mean that's a lot of it. 1:19:24.320 --> 1:19:25.519 A lot of it is that though, like a lot 1:19:25.760 --> 1:19:27.439 like for people who don't know, like like like or 1:19:27.479 --> 1:19:29.320 the artists don't even do it right, Oh my god, 1:19:29.400 --> 1:19:31.400 bro or the artist or the actor or whatever because 1:19:31.439 --> 1:19:32.799 they want to put their narrative. 1:19:32.960 --> 1:19:35.720 Yeah, I give you example. Oh I don't want to 1:19:35.720 --> 1:19:38.280 say names, but there was an R and B singer 1:19:38.560 --> 1:19:41.120 who was a pretty big R and B singer at 1:19:41.160 --> 1:19:42.960 one time, and I knew through a friend of mine, 1:19:43.960 --> 1:19:47.519 and you know, it was at the Saddle Ranch in 1:19:47.560 --> 1:19:51.000 this big fancy car and we had. We were the 1:19:51.040 --> 1:19:52.920 three of us were eating at the Saldar Range. Right, 1:19:52.920 --> 1:19:55.160 We're hanging out eating at the Saddle Ranch. And I 1:19:55.280 --> 1:19:57.960 was like, when you leave here, you prophasee you on 1:19:58.000 --> 1:20:00.439 the lower or whatever. And he goes, no, it's not 1:20:00.520 --> 1:20:01.840 at all. I'm like, okay, well, I'm gonna send the 1:20:01.840 --> 1:20:04.040 camera to you. I was like, as a matter of fact, 1:20:04.080 --> 1:20:05.559 I'm not gonna send the camera to you. I got 1:20:05.600 --> 1:20:06.960 my camera in the car. I'm just gonna shoot you 1:20:07.400 --> 1:20:10.080 and we're gonna do a little thing for TMZ. And 1:20:10.200 --> 1:20:14.240 so car pulls out like a big Red Bentley or 1:20:14.280 --> 1:20:20.800 something like that, right, recognizable, guy had hits And I 1:20:20.880 --> 1:20:22.559 pulled a camera out. When I pulled a camera out 1:20:22.600 --> 1:20:26.320 and I start shooting him inside of his car, everybody 1:20:26.479 --> 1:20:28.639 starts coming around. Everybody's like, oh. 1:20:28.600 --> 1:20:29.519 My god, who is that? 1:20:29.880 --> 1:20:32.600 And they know his face, like they probably wouldn't have 1:20:32.640 --> 1:20:34.760 bothered him any other time, but they know it's face. 1:20:35.240 --> 1:20:38.040 So everybody's going to Man, I get in my shit 1:20:38.080 --> 1:20:41.240 and I'm going back to the office, and I get 1:20:41.320 --> 1:20:44.640 a call. Bro that fucking shit was crazy. Man. We 1:20:44.800 --> 1:20:47.880 oughtna do that all the time. Bruh. I needed that, Broh, 1:20:48.360 --> 1:20:51.080 Like I fucking needed that. Man, We should do that 1:20:51.280 --> 1:20:53.240 all the time. And now you have somebody that wants 1:20:53.320 --> 1:20:55.560 to get shots. You have people that want that you 1:20:56.439 --> 1:20:59.599 that uh that want you to shoot them. That's a contact, 1:20:59.720 --> 1:21:03.160 that's one that if they are ever involved in a story. 1:21:03.160 --> 1:21:03.800 You could hit them. 1:21:03.960 --> 1:21:06.360 Now that you have that relationship, or if someone tangential 1:21:06.400 --> 1:21:09.000 to them is ever involved into a story with the story, 1:21:09.080 --> 1:21:12.160 now you have that relationship. So there is not for 1:21:12.280 --> 1:21:15.599 the most part, at least while I was that they're 1:21:15.680 --> 1:21:20.840 an adversarial relationship between TMZ and the celebrity at large, 1:21:21.520 --> 1:21:23.920 most of the celebrities dig it. I don't know how 1:21:23.920 --> 1:21:26.200 it is now things have changed a little course, but 1:21:27.000 --> 1:21:29.479 most celebrities dug it to me most and if they 1:21:29.479 --> 1:21:31.160 didn't dig it, they didn't have a problem with They 1:21:31.240 --> 1:21:34.160 got it right. Then there are some who just can't 1:21:34.200 --> 1:21:38.920 fucking stand it, like ig Iggy mel Gibson, the fucking 1:21:40.880 --> 1:21:47.080 The like owner Luke Wilson don't fuck with it, Like 1:21:47.160 --> 1:21:48.840 a lot of people like that don't fuck with it. 1:21:49.080 --> 1:21:50.599 And if I ever saw if I saw a black 1:21:50.640 --> 1:21:53.200 celebrity and they were in a situation to where like 1:21:53.640 --> 1:21:58.839 I remember one time I saw I saw Golden Brooks, 1:22:00.080 --> 1:22:01.880 he's sweet lady. And she was eating. She was at 1:22:02.560 --> 1:22:05.800 She was actually with Regina King. They were they were eating. 1:22:06.040 --> 1:22:06.600 This is years of. 1:22:06.600 --> 1:22:08.880 Watchman season two. Please find no, not Regina King. She 1:22:08.920 --> 1:22:12.080 was with Regina Hall. She was with She was with 1:22:12.200 --> 1:22:15.680 Regina Hall and they were eating at on sunset. And 1:22:15.760 --> 1:22:17.880 I remember I was walking around with my camera and 1:22:18.200 --> 1:22:22.479 I asked them two black women. I'm not trying to ask. Yeah, 1:22:22.479 --> 1:22:24.439 they were eating. I asked them, like, after you guys done, 1:22:24.840 --> 1:22:27.040 do you want to do a shop? And they went, no, 1:22:27.560 --> 1:22:27.800 move on. 1:22:28.439 --> 1:22:30.800 How to be deal? Somebody else will be around, you know. 1:22:31.120 --> 1:22:34.040 But it's just all of that stuff. Once again, it's 1:22:34.120 --> 1:22:35.280 part of an ecosystem. 1:22:35.320 --> 1:22:38.200 What I will say about TMZ is this, there's a 1:22:38.280 --> 1:22:43.160 lot of criticism that TMZ gets right from all all 1:22:43.280 --> 1:22:46.439 kinds of people. You get criticism for team from from TMZ. 1:22:46.600 --> 1:22:48.240 People will tell you you worked there, you did this, 1:22:48.360 --> 1:22:50.240 and you did that, all that stuff. People hate TMZ. 1:22:50.320 --> 1:22:50.680 They hate it. 1:22:51.960 --> 1:22:56.240 Everybody is TMZ true, like everyone is TMZ. Guess what 1:22:56.280 --> 1:22:57.680 when you see that famous person, what do you do? 1:22:59.120 --> 1:23:03.040 I mean that in two ways. Number One, when people 1:23:03.200 --> 1:23:05.800 know that you work there, it doesn't matter where you 1:23:05.920 --> 1:23:09.400 go you go sit down at the nicest restaurant in La. 1:23:09.520 --> 1:23:12.519 I'm in La. I mean, I'm at a cut I 1:23:12.640 --> 1:23:15.679 sit down, somebody comes over, they know me from the show. Hey, 1:23:15.920 --> 1:23:17.280 just let you know Tom Hanks is going to be 1:23:17.320 --> 1:23:18.519 here in a little bit. You know what I'm saying. 1:23:19.240 --> 1:23:22.479 Like the valets, everyone everyone wants to be a part 1:23:22.479 --> 1:23:24.479 of it. That's what do you tip them? Yeah, if 1:23:24.479 --> 1:23:26.040 they give you a good they give you a good tip. 1:23:26.120 --> 1:23:32.120 Yeah I would. And the other part of it is this, 1:23:34.640 --> 1:23:39.719 if you are an outlet or you are a radio station, 1:23:41.560 --> 1:23:47.479 your blog or whatever, and you repurpose a TMZ story, 1:23:49.280 --> 1:23:53.680 meaning you report on what they reported, you give the 1:23:53.760 --> 1:23:57.639 information that they got your TMZ. Yeah, I mean I've 1:23:57.760 --> 1:24:02.320 used You're like, what they want more than anything is 1:24:02.439 --> 1:24:04.280 for other people to pick up the things. Well, I 1:24:04.320 --> 1:24:07.280 also think and so and so. My thing is I've 1:24:07.320 --> 1:24:09.280 had there have been so many places where even when 1:24:09.320 --> 1:24:11.640 I was working there and even after that, I've been criticized. Right, 1:24:12.080 --> 1:24:15.240 and then I hear them say, according to TMZ, this 1:24:15.360 --> 1:24:18.960 and this and happen. If that's like, you can't have 1:24:19.160 --> 1:24:22.120 that both ways. If a place is too fucked up 1:24:22.200 --> 1:24:24.519 for you, either you're gonna say this place has to 1:24:24.600 --> 1:24:26.439 exist and you want them to be better or you're 1:24:26.479 --> 1:24:28.080 not gonna fuck with them. And then on top of 1:24:28.160 --> 1:24:31.720 that most of these other celebrities. I've had celebrities or 1:24:31.760 --> 1:24:35.720 people that I know directly criticize TMZ and what they've done, 1:24:36.120 --> 1:24:37.840 and then I'll see them when they have something to 1:24:37.880 --> 1:24:40.680 promote on TMZ live. You can't do it that way. 1:24:41.280 --> 1:24:42.920 Yeah, it's like you're gonna shoo on TMZ, but then 1:24:42.960 --> 1:24:43.760 when you when you need. 1:24:44.000 --> 1:24:47.040 Which, by the way, when I was there, there were 1:24:47.200 --> 1:24:52.920 times where the website wasn't a little irresponsible, it was 1:24:53.200 --> 1:25:00.679 insanely irresponsible, downright racist, sexist, insensitive, the whole nine. When 1:25:00.680 --> 1:25:07.559 I was there, there was an attack an attachment post 1:25:07.600 --> 1:25:10.880 twenty sixteen to Donald Trump that TMZ did a lot 1:25:10.920 --> 1:25:13.839 of his bidding. I'm not all caping for the organization, 1:25:14.320 --> 1:25:16.640 but what I'm saying is with some place like that 1:25:17.320 --> 1:25:21.559 that thrives on attention the sharing of stories, it's. 1:25:21.479 --> 1:25:23.320 Kind of like the Vlad thing, right, It's like people 1:25:23.400 --> 1:25:25.559 talk about Vlad, but then they're going to show when 1:25:25.560 --> 1:25:27.080 they have to promote their album or they need some 1:25:27.160 --> 1:25:28.200 clout or wash. 1:25:28.320 --> 1:25:31.160 The reality is it's a massive platform it's a huge platform, 1:25:31.200 --> 1:25:33.240 so and so people, and I don't want to compare 1:25:33.280 --> 1:25:35.080 with ladin TMZ because that I don't want to do 1:25:35.160 --> 1:25:40.120 that because you know, look, there's nothing inherently wrong with TMZ. 1:25:40.200 --> 1:25:43.240 There's actually actually inherently wrong with what laders doing. Ladders 1:25:43.280 --> 1:25:47.560 doing interviews, TMZ is doing celebrity news. The reality is, 1:25:48.280 --> 1:25:51.600 if you have a problem with it, if you have 1:25:51.800 --> 1:25:55.600 a problem with it, the only way to do the 1:25:55.720 --> 1:25:59.480 only way to really affect that problem is to not conticipate. 1:25:59.600 --> 1:26:01.560 Don't assume that's the only thing you can do. 1:26:02.120 --> 1:26:06.360 And the reality is is that the influence on the 1:26:07.640 --> 1:26:10.719 the website and the platform on culture is too strong 1:26:10.800 --> 1:26:12.599 for anyone to really do that. The way I look 1:26:12.600 --> 1:26:14.160 at most people, some people with. 1:26:14.240 --> 1:26:20.360 TMZ is like they've been right, like almost I feel 1:26:20.360 --> 1:26:22.439 like that, you know, when they're not right, they update 1:26:22.479 --> 1:26:24.439 the story in such a real time that it's like very. 1:26:24.360 --> 1:26:25.839 Few times they're going to be inaccurate. 1:26:26.000 --> 1:26:29.759 Yeah, and this is I mean, as a radio personality, 1:26:29.880 --> 1:26:31.439 always like yo, this check TMZ. 1:26:31.520 --> 1:26:34.080 But I give an example. People said that TMZ was 1:26:34.120 --> 1:26:37.240 inaccurate on the Lil Wayne story. Remember that, do you. 1:26:37.240 --> 1:26:39.200 Remember the story? Was it when he was it when 1:26:39.240 --> 1:26:39.880 he got arrested. 1:26:40.040 --> 1:26:42.519 All right, So I'm gonna I'm gonna do another tmz 1:26:43.760 --> 1:26:45.439 uh No, it wasn't when he was arrested. When he 1:26:45.560 --> 1:26:46.080 was sick. 1:26:46.960 --> 1:26:50.960 Oh, yes, yes, when he was having his seizures. Yes, 1:26:52.880 --> 1:26:53.600 I remember that. 1:26:55.400 --> 1:26:56.600 This is one of the times that I caught some 1:26:56.680 --> 1:27:04.920 of the most hell. Okay, all right. So March twenty 1:27:05.000 --> 1:27:06.880 thirteen TIMS, he reported that Lil Wayne was in a 1:27:06.920 --> 1:27:10.360 coma and received his last rights at Seius and Hospital. 1:27:10.439 --> 1:27:15.120 I remember this in Los Angeles. Okay, So let's look 1:27:15.320 --> 1:27:18.360 at I'm gonna give I'm gonna give everyone right now 1:27:18.520 --> 1:27:23.639 another little lesson because here's the story right now, let's 1:27:23.680 --> 1:27:26.560 look at it. So it's been updated a bunch of 1:27:26.640 --> 1:27:27.320 times right now. 1:27:28.520 --> 1:27:31.000 But you originally wrote this story. 1:27:31.040 --> 1:27:32.560 No, I didn't have anything to do with it. I was, 1:27:33.040 --> 1:27:35.040 I was. I was on the street at this time. 1:27:35.040 --> 1:27:35.280 Okay. 1:27:35.640 --> 1:27:37.519 So it says it says Lou Wayne is in ICU 1:27:37.600 --> 1:27:41.160 critical condition after suffering yet another seizure. Where told it 1:27:41.200 --> 1:27:43.439 doesn't look good, teams, he has learned. We brought the story. 1:27:43.479 --> 1:27:45.040 Three year oldrapper was rushed to see a sign in 1:27:45.040 --> 1:27:47.840 the hospital. First of all, prays up for Wayne glad 1:27:47.880 --> 1:27:49.680 that Wayne is happy, healthy and doing of course, of 1:27:49.720 --> 1:27:51.360 course he's using this as example. This is one of 1:27:51.400 --> 1:27:55.040 the things. So all of this stuff that is being 1:27:55.080 --> 1:28:01.040 a legend here is being confirmed through sources. So someone 1:28:01.120 --> 1:28:05.839 is telling someone this, right, Okay, someone is telling someone 1:28:05.960 --> 1:28:08.640 that this is what is going on. Okay, So let 1:28:08.680 --> 1:28:12.080 me tell you what a lie is journalistically here is 1:28:12.160 --> 1:28:15.000 that that person isn't telling us that if we're making 1:28:15.080 --> 1:28:19.080 that up right now, So when they say Lil Wayne 1:28:19.120 --> 1:28:23.439 is in critical condition and he's being read his last run, no, no, no. 1:28:23.720 --> 1:28:26.800 If a source says that and then it is put 1:28:26.880 --> 1:28:30.720 up on TMZ and it's attributed to sources, then that 1:28:30.840 --> 1:28:33.880 story is legit. Right. If the source said it, the 1:28:33.960 --> 1:28:37.680 source said that, then the story is legit. Now if 1:28:38.560 --> 1:28:41.439 loul Wayne pulls through, the source said that, hey, it 1:28:41.479 --> 1:28:46.080 doesn't look good, that's that person's objective interpretation. 1:28:46.400 --> 1:28:47.040 Doesn't look good. 1:28:47.160 --> 1:28:50.879 Somebody came in like they're preparing for something objective opinion. 1:28:51.200 --> 1:28:53.160 Now Lil Wayne rebounded. 1:28:52.800 --> 1:28:56.320 And the whole world went. The whole world. 1:28:56.120 --> 1:28:58.679 Went TMZ lit. It was never that big of a deal. 1:29:00.040 --> 1:29:02.400 If people an example of something, you're married, I'm not 1:29:02.439 --> 1:29:04.160 calling this on your marriage I'm just using this as 1:29:04.200 --> 1:29:08.719 an example. If you have brothers or sisters, one sister, 1:29:08.920 --> 1:29:11.920 that one sister. If I walk into a restaurant right 1:29:11.960 --> 1:29:15.439 now and someone says, if I'm on the basketball court 1:29:16.320 --> 1:29:19.960 and someone that I've never met before says, hey, you 1:29:20.040 --> 1:29:21.719 know bout Let Cav, I saw you on this podcast, 1:29:22.320 --> 1:29:24.360 I'm like, yeah, it's like, Bullet cav is getting a divorce, 1:29:24.520 --> 1:29:26.960 not blue Let CaMV is not getting a divorce. God 1:29:27.000 --> 1:29:30.880 protect this marriage, he says, blue Let cav is getting 1:29:30.880 --> 1:29:35.320 a divorce. If I run to the website and put 1:29:35.400 --> 1:29:38.840 that up on the website, that's an irresponsible story. 1:29:38.720 --> 1:29:40.479 Because who's your source, who's my source? 1:29:41.120 --> 1:29:43.880 You have a sister, My sister tells you, If your 1:29:44.120 --> 1:29:48.800 sister tells me, if your sister tells. 1:29:48.520 --> 1:29:50.760 Me, then then it's like, well that's that's that's the. 1:29:50.840 --> 1:29:55.400 Sources close to butlet cav say the marriage is on 1:29:55.640 --> 1:29:56.960 the rocks and. 1:29:57.160 --> 1:29:59.519 Divorce is on the table or something. 1:30:00.080 --> 1:30:03.280 If you do not get divorced, that does not make 1:30:03.400 --> 1:30:07.040 that story less true. The story is not you getting 1:30:07.080 --> 1:30:10.599 divorced or not getting divorced. The story is your sister, 1:30:10.960 --> 1:30:14.000 who they don't know who she is. You're not gonna 1:30:14.000 --> 1:30:17.240 out your source told us that you were getting divorced. 1:30:17.600 --> 1:30:20.559 The strength of that, and that goes for journalism everywhere. Hey, 1:30:21.040 --> 1:30:25.920 before the Dobb's decision is coming out, somebody gets ahold 1:30:26.280 --> 1:30:32.080 of the opinion that somebody wrote or someone like. This 1:30:32.240 --> 1:30:34.880 hasn't leaked yet, but according to sources that tell ABC 1:30:35.080 --> 1:30:39.200 News this information is coming out. Well, if the information 1:30:39.320 --> 1:30:42.320 doesn't come out, ABC News would be embarrassed, of course, 1:30:42.360 --> 1:30:43.760 and so you have to do your due diligence with 1:30:43.800 --> 1:30:45.360 the sources that you have that they're not gonna double 1:30:45.400 --> 1:30:47.840 back on you. But the reality of the situation is 1:30:48.000 --> 1:30:50.000 if you have a source and that source is ironclad 1:30:50.040 --> 1:30:53.519 and that source is in with whomever you're talking about, 1:30:54.240 --> 1:30:56.560 that's go on that story. The question about whether or 1:30:56.600 --> 1:31:00.280 not you would report something that's that serious and unless 1:31:00.360 --> 1:31:08.200 you knew it to be, that's different, varies varies platform platforms, 1:31:08.280 --> 1:31:11.840 platform the platform. When you report about Michael Jackson and 1:31:11.920 --> 1:31:13.720 the fact that he had passed away, you haven't seen 1:31:13.760 --> 1:31:18.240 the body, you haven't checked his pulse, you haven't done 1:31:18.240 --> 1:31:20.439 any of that stuff. You don't know when you report 1:31:20.520 --> 1:31:24.439 on Prince like you you haven't seen his dead body. 1:31:24.960 --> 1:31:25.880 Somebody that knows. 1:31:25.800 --> 1:31:29.120 Him really well said he was dead and so, and 1:31:29.479 --> 1:31:30.800 you know that to be true. 1:31:30.920 --> 1:31:34.400 You're staking your relationship with them in a in a 1:31:34.479 --> 1:31:38.160 journalistic way of them on them being a good source. Right, 1:31:38.680 --> 1:31:44.479 So when I say that they're normally right, it's if 1:31:44.880 --> 1:31:51.280 they if something is factually correct or factually incorrect, it 1:31:51.400 --> 1:31:53.400 normally won't go up on the site. I'll talk about 1:31:53.400 --> 1:31:56.120 one story I did have Jason Pierre Paul, the football player. 1:31:56.160 --> 1:31:58.200 I remember him fires incident. 1:31:58.320 --> 1:32:02.720 Maybe I knew about that before it happened, hours like 1:32:03.000 --> 1:32:05.680 hours before it happened. Somebody hit me and literally went, 1:32:06.040 --> 1:32:07.920 hey man, JPP just blew his hand off with some 1:32:08.000 --> 1:32:12.200 firewors hours before it happened. It ended up because that 1:32:12.280 --> 1:32:14.960 was on fourth of July, right, And so it ended 1:32:15.040 --> 1:32:18.519 up happening maybe at a certain time. It was on 1:32:18.560 --> 1:32:20.600 the East coast, and I couldn't ever put it up 1:32:20.640 --> 1:32:22.160 on the site. I couldn't put up on the site 1:32:22.160 --> 1:32:24.360 because I couldn't confirm it. I couldn't get a picture 1:32:24.400 --> 1:32:28.599 of it right, I couldn't get any of that stuff right. 1:32:29.479 --> 1:32:32.120 I could have gone on the source that he did that, 1:32:32.720 --> 1:32:36.160 but it's such a finite thing that when it's this 1:32:36.720 --> 1:32:40.240 has happened not this will happen, but this has happened. 1:32:41.000 --> 1:32:42.719 I even need to be able to talk to somebody 1:32:42.800 --> 1:32:44.760 that saw the hand and can give me pictures of 1:32:44.840 --> 1:32:47.519 the hand. I need to be ironclad because I can't 1:32:47.520 --> 1:32:51.400 put that up and true, because that's a strength. It's 1:32:52.200 --> 1:32:54.679 didn't either happened or it didn't happen. That's a straight 1:32:54.760 --> 1:32:57.240 up lie. So guess what we put it on the story. 1:32:57.400 --> 1:32:58.120 We couldn't get it. 1:32:58.600 --> 1:33:00.360 The guy who did get it, I think it was Schefter. 1:33:01.840 --> 1:33:05.559 He violated hippo laws to get it because he got 1:33:05.640 --> 1:33:07.880 the ship. I remember him getting in trouble. I don't 1:33:07.880 --> 1:33:09.479 want to say if Schefter, if it wasn't Schefter, So 1:33:09.479 --> 1:33:10.360 because I don't want to get. 1:33:10.240 --> 1:33:12.400 It, you don't want to. Yeah, but somebody, somebody, you 1:33:12.479 --> 1:33:12.840 take out the. 1:33:12.840 --> 1:33:16.439 Schefter thing there was. There was actually somebody who did 1:33:16.560 --> 1:33:19.719 get it that violated hippo laws to get the story 1:33:19.960 --> 1:33:22.680 and ended up getting in trouble. We weren't gonna do that. 1:33:22.760 --> 1:33:25.519 We weren't gonna call We weren't gonna call any hospitals 1:33:25.560 --> 1:33:27.320 to try to get it. We were calling any doctors 1:33:27.400 --> 1:33:29.200 to try to get it. I was trying to get 1:33:29.320 --> 1:33:32.000 deeper into his inner circle to have someone give me 1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:32.519 a picture of that. 1:33:33.360 --> 1:33:38.200 Damn, that's crazy. I feel like that world the schefter, like, uh, 1:33:39.160 --> 1:33:41.719 you know, the shams versus WOS world. That shit's crazy. 1:33:41.960 --> 1:33:42.320 M hmm. 1:33:42.600 --> 1:33:44.759 It's so, it's it's it's it's like the sports TMZ. 1:33:45.479 --> 1:33:46.040 It's the same thing. 1:33:46.080 --> 1:33:47.280 I mean, we have TMZ sports, so it was the 1:33:47.320 --> 1:33:48.760 same thing, but we didn't do contract stuff. It was 1:33:48.760 --> 1:33:51.439 more lifestyle stuff around guys. But the same thing. A 1:33:51.560 --> 1:33:55.559 trade is about to happen, like, uh at three hours 1:33:55.560 --> 1:33:58.880 from now they sent it to Osh said it to 1:33:59.040 --> 1:34:01.599 was wosebomb boom? What if they didn't take the deal 1:34:01.640 --> 1:34:04.439 off the table? Did woes lie? No, somebody told them that. 1:34:05.479 --> 1:34:07.400 I was for sure. I was going to ask you. 1:34:07.800 --> 1:34:11.120 You mentioned that people were. It felt like TMZ did 1:34:11.160 --> 1:34:14.040 the bidding for Trump, and I feel like a lot 1:34:14.120 --> 1:34:16.600 of all the news networks are pretty much guilty of that. 1:34:17.120 --> 1:34:17.679 No, they weren't. 1:34:17.800 --> 1:34:19.519 I think CNN did in terms of just how much 1:34:19.520 --> 1:34:21.200 they covered him. There was like a free information for 1:34:21.280 --> 1:34:23.160 Trump all day. Okay, I didn't know. 1:34:23.240 --> 1:34:26.479 I'm not talking about I'm not talking about like I'm 1:34:26.520 --> 1:34:27.640 not I'm not talking about. 1:34:27.400 --> 1:34:28.760 What capacity did you mean when you said that. 1:34:29.439 --> 1:34:30.879 That the stories were favorable. 1:34:31.160 --> 1:34:32.200 They were favorable for him. 1:34:32.200 --> 1:34:34.360 Oh yeah, okay, okay, yeah, it's like because Harvey and 1:34:34.400 --> 1:34:35.000 Trump were friends. 1:34:35.160 --> 1:34:37.439 Oh I didn't know that they were. Well, I was 1:34:37.479 --> 1:34:38.840 going to ask you just like, because because you you 1:34:38.960 --> 1:34:41.479 you talk politics a lot on your podcast. For people 1:34:41.520 --> 1:34:43.680 who don't know, go check it out Still Podcast. 1:34:43.439 --> 1:34:47.240 High Learning Podcasts, ring your podcast network. We're gonna have 1:34:47.320 --> 1:34:48.720 Cactus Tea on our show pretty soon. 1:34:48.920 --> 1:34:51.800 Well, I was going to ask you, like, where do 1:34:51.920 --> 1:34:54.519 you see because I don't think Biden's gonna endup being 1:34:54.560 --> 1:34:58.120 the guy, because I think it'll lose. I think they 1:34:58.200 --> 1:34:59.040 probably know that by now. 1:34:59.520 --> 1:35:02.439 Yeah, so roll that out for me. I was just 1:35:02.439 --> 1:35:03.680 gonna ask you, like, no, no, no, no, no, no, 1:35:04.439 --> 1:35:07.080 stay on your opinion. So BID's not gonna BID's not 1:35:07.120 --> 1:35:09.360 gonna run. So who's going to run? I think he'll 1:35:09.360 --> 1:35:11.840 probably be Gavin Newsom. Gavin Newso will run. Okay, when 1:35:11.880 --> 1:35:12.960 are they gonna make this decision? 1:35:13.520 --> 1:35:15.280 I think they gotta make it after Super probably after 1:35:15.320 --> 1:35:19.479 Super Tuesday, so or after the primaries is what I 1:35:19.560 --> 1:35:22.280 meant to say. After the Democratic primary. Yeah, so they're 1:35:22.280 --> 1:35:24.800 gonna do the primaries. Joe Biden is then going to be. 1:35:25.400 --> 1:35:27.680 I think he's gonna take like a if I had 1:35:27.720 --> 1:35:30.400 to predict it, I think he's gonna probably just for 1:35:30.520 --> 1:35:33.360 like health reasons, just step away, which is probably like 1:35:33.960 --> 1:35:34.840 the way to do it, right. 1:35:36.040 --> 1:35:40.759 So with every passing day, every passing second, that becomes 1:35:40.800 --> 1:35:41.280 less likely. 1:35:41.640 --> 1:35:46.400 You're right, because I don't disagree with you. My thing 1:35:46.560 --> 1:35:49.040 is is do you feel like what happened? Because I 1:35:49.120 --> 1:35:54.760 feel like the CNN, Fox News news cycles, MSNBC during 1:35:54.840 --> 1:35:57.000 twenty sixteen twenty fifteen, all you would see is Trump 1:35:57.000 --> 1:35:58.840 trump trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, trump Trump because it was 1:35:58.880 --> 1:36:00.680 good for ratings, right, And I feel like. 1:36:00.720 --> 1:36:02.400 Something it's also a relevant news story. 1:36:02.520 --> 1:36:04.519 It was it was, but I feel like something similar 1:36:04.600 --> 1:36:06.280 is kind of happening now. But in terms of like 1:36:06.800 --> 1:36:10.000 all of these cases that are I mean not and 1:36:10.120 --> 1:36:12.760 he broke the law, right well allegedly obviously he's gonna 1:36:12.760 --> 1:36:13.479 go have to go to court. 1:36:13.520 --> 1:36:15.320 And you know it looks like and if you were 1:36:15.360 --> 1:36:17.120 being objective, that there's some smoke there in some of 1:36:17.160 --> 1:36:18.400 these cases yet, right, So. 1:36:19.320 --> 1:36:21.800 Are all these cases to me are kind of doing 1:36:22.320 --> 1:36:24.519 the same thing the media did from the first go round, 1:36:24.520 --> 1:36:26.639 Because I feel like it's kind of it like making 1:36:26.720 --> 1:36:29.960 people feel like he's like a martyr more now than ever. 1:36:31.360 --> 1:36:33.040 Who If you had to predict who's gonna be the 1:36:33.080 --> 1:36:35.759 next president right now, I will predict. 1:36:35.800 --> 1:36:36.799 I will predict Joe Biden. 1:36:37.920 --> 1:36:40.479 Here's the thing, So you think Biden's sticking sticking in it? 1:36:41.160 --> 1:36:42.760 If I had to predict, if you had to, that's 1:36:43.439 --> 1:36:46.920 your scenario is uh is not out of the question. 1:36:47.400 --> 1:36:49.519 But I'm interested. All the reason why I ask follow 1:36:49.600 --> 1:36:51.560 ups is because I'm interested in the specificity of it. 1:36:51.720 --> 1:36:54.360 Right right, Okay, Joe BID's not gonna run. Everybody say, Okay, 1:36:54.400 --> 1:36:56.040 Joe BID's not gonna run. Who's gonna run? Are they 1:36:56.080 --> 1:36:57.000 gonna give Michelle to do it? 1:36:57.400 --> 1:36:57.960 That'd be nice? 1:36:58.200 --> 1:36:59.160 Is it gonna so? 1:36:59.520 --> 1:37:03.599 So your situation right in your let's say it's Newsome 1:37:03.680 --> 1:37:04.120 first Trump. 1:37:04.160 --> 1:37:07.720 Let's say it's Newsome. Right, that's a gigantic problem for 1:37:07.800 --> 1:37:11.080 the Democrats. Newsom is a is a I wouldn't say 1:37:11.080 --> 1:37:13.599 a great candidate. He's a corporate Democrat like the rest 1:37:13.640 --> 1:37:13.840 of them. 1:37:13.960 --> 1:37:15.559 Is extremely corporate Democrat. 1:37:15.600 --> 1:37:19.120 But he's a corporate But he is young, charismatic who 1:37:19.240 --> 1:37:23.960 was just hanging out with Clinton today, speaks incredibly well, 1:37:24.280 --> 1:37:27.920 He's a statesman, presentable, Yeah, when all Fox News was 1:37:27.960 --> 1:37:29.840 able to mix it up with Sean Hannity or whoever 1:37:29.840 --> 1:37:31.840 else they have him on there, held zone against handy, 1:37:31.840 --> 1:37:36.120 held his own against the Santas We actually the Hannity's 1:37:36.160 --> 1:37:42.599 lunch No murdered handed. Yeah, but okay, So if Gavin 1:37:42.680 --> 1:37:47.960 Newsom is your candidate, what's the problem with that? What's 1:37:48.000 --> 1:37:49.559 the huge problem with him being a candidate? 1:37:50.200 --> 1:37:54.560 I think that the national opinion of California is that 1:37:54.680 --> 1:37:56.840 it's in shambles and that he's a terrible I don't 1:37:56.840 --> 1:37:59.160 think that's that big of a deal. What do you 1:37:59.160 --> 1:37:59.920 think is the main problem? 1:38:00.360 --> 1:38:04.599 You jumped Kamala Harris. So the fact that you jumped 1:38:04.680 --> 1:38:08.920 Kamala Harris right after making such a big deal. 1:38:09.200 --> 1:38:12.880 Of her being the first one, being the first vice president. 1:38:13.000 --> 1:38:19.880 Yeah, VP, you jumped Kamala Harris. Now, every single black women, 1:38:20.200 --> 1:38:22.200 not all of them, but a lot of black women. 1:38:22.320 --> 1:38:27.840 Let me not speak in absolutes that uh support Democrats 1:38:28.520 --> 1:38:33.360 more loyal blindly than any other group. I wouldn't say blindly, no, no, 1:38:33.640 --> 1:38:36.920 but very very like. I mean, my grandma and my 1:38:37.000 --> 1:38:39.880 mom are like that. What I'm saying is those democrats't matter. 1:38:40.040 --> 1:38:43.320 Black women are incredibly well educated, and I think they're 1:38:43.360 --> 1:38:46.800 making decisions. Uh. I don't think it's blind support. I 1:38:46.800 --> 1:38:51.120 think it's traditional support. I wouldn't call it blind. Those 1:38:51.200 --> 1:38:54.240 voters are now to a degree disenchanted. Now, that doesn't 1:38:54.320 --> 1:38:57.519 mean that they would vote for Donald Trump. I'm not 1:38:57.560 --> 1:38:59.800 saying that at all. But what I am saying is 1:39:00.160 --> 1:39:02.880 it would be incredibly politically risky if you were going 1:39:02.960 --> 1:39:08.760 to go with another candidate, so to alienate your base, 1:39:08.840 --> 1:39:14.439 most loyal loyal base. So let's say it's Kamala Gavin, 1:39:15.280 --> 1:39:17.080 Kamala Gavin like Kama at the top of the ticket, 1:39:17.120 --> 1:39:18.360 Gavin as vice president. 1:39:18.680 --> 1:39:21.680 Will you do that? I would? I would think so. 1:39:22.080 --> 1:39:24.840 I mean he wants to be president absolutely. I think 1:39:24.840 --> 1:39:27.479 he will be one day. The question is not the 1:39:27.600 --> 1:39:30.000 question is when. The question is is it twenty eight? 1:39:30.600 --> 1:39:33.519 Does does Kamala still get her turn? Does she still 1:39:33.560 --> 1:39:36.720 get her turn at president? Is he? Uh? Does does 1:39:36.760 --> 1:39:38.680 she come back in twenty eight? Then? Does he have 1:39:38.800 --> 1:39:41.320 to wait? Or does he jump her? Obama jumped a 1:39:41.360 --> 1:39:44.360 couple of people. Yeah, it just sometimes you you you 1:39:44.479 --> 1:39:46.200 grab the world in your hands and you. 1:39:46.240 --> 1:39:48.599 Have to do that. Jump Hillary jump Hillary? 1:39:48.760 --> 1:39:53.000 Right, and so then when you come back to kind 1:39:53.000 --> 1:39:54.479 of what he was were talking about in terms of 1:39:55.120 --> 1:39:57.040 of Donald Trump. Right now, there's a couple of questions 1:39:57.040 --> 1:40:02.080 I would ask you, h, who's indicting Donald Trump? 1:40:03.640 --> 1:40:05.560 I mean that's the question if he gets indicted. I 1:40:05.600 --> 1:40:08.439 think that is, well, he's been indicted, if he gets convicted, 1:40:08.520 --> 1:40:09.960 Rather so if he gets question. 1:40:09.880 --> 1:40:12.120 Is when I say who's indicting them? I'm talking about 1:40:12.360 --> 1:40:15.680 I'm asking specific questions about the coverage. Right. See, and 1:40:15.800 --> 1:40:21.240 n isn't indicting Trump. MSNBC isn't indicting Trump. Trump has 1:40:21.280 --> 1:40:24.240 been indicted in New York, in Georgia, and he's been 1:40:24.240 --> 1:40:29.960 indicted by Justice Department. Okay, So those entities indicting Donald Trump, 1:40:30.720 --> 1:40:33.960 whether you feel like it's politically motivated or not, they 1:40:34.120 --> 1:40:37.439 have a duty to prosecute crimes, right, and if there 1:40:37.479 --> 1:40:41.000 are crimes committed under their watch and they become aware 1:40:41.000 --> 1:40:42.280 of these crimes, they're not going. 1:40:42.200 --> 1:40:43.720 To take it to indictment unless they think they can 1:40:43.720 --> 1:40:44.240 get a conviction. 1:40:44.320 --> 1:40:46.360 Right, That's the only purpose of doing it. So they 1:40:46.439 --> 1:40:50.960 have to prosecute criminals. So what I wouldn't want is 1:40:51.320 --> 1:40:55.439 a Justice Department or a DA or any these people 1:40:55.479 --> 1:41:03.240 that represent the car Storo, the carcural conditions of America 1:41:03.280 --> 1:41:05.639 and the cartal state that we live in, which is bad. 1:41:06.200 --> 1:41:08.840 I'm not a huge fan of just locking people up 1:41:08.880 --> 1:41:10.120 and throwing away to key. That's not the way I 1:41:10.200 --> 1:41:12.920 look at the world. But I wouldn't want any of 1:41:13.040 --> 1:41:18.160 them to not indict or prosecute, specifically a wealthy white 1:41:18.200 --> 1:41:21.200 man because they think it's bad politically. I think if 1:41:21.280 --> 1:41:23.640 you are going no one thinks about whether or not 1:41:23.800 --> 1:41:27.439 it's bad for the hood. When you are going to 1:41:27.600 --> 1:41:30.559 indict a man for selling drugs and he has a family, 1:41:30.640 --> 1:41:32.599 or he has a baby's mother, he has no one 1:41:32.640 --> 1:41:34.960 thinks about if it's bad for his family. No, for sure, 1:41:35.040 --> 1:41:37.160 nobody thinks about it if it's bad for anything else. 1:41:37.200 --> 1:41:40.000 When they do that, I see criminal, I get criminal. 1:41:40.120 --> 1:41:44.479 I put criminal in jail. So and more often than not, 1:41:45.080 --> 1:41:47.679 when we're looking at the other side of this, those 1:41:47.760 --> 1:41:51.080 guys are being targeted, They are being stopped in frisk. Sure, 1:41:51.160 --> 1:41:54.280 there are police in their neighborhoods waiting to create a criminal. 1:41:54.600 --> 1:41:57.479 Out of the circumstances and the systemic dysfunction and failure 1:41:57.520 --> 1:41:59.320 that has existed in America for a very long time, 1:41:59.400 --> 1:42:00.000 there are people. 1:41:59.800 --> 1:42:03.759 Waiting to do that, so they're almost born into. 1:42:03.600 --> 1:42:07.800 This sort of uh legal entrapment that for a lot 1:42:07.840 --> 1:42:11.240 of them is difficult to escape. So the question isn't 1:42:11.320 --> 1:42:15.639 whether or not, it's it's making people sympathetic to Donald Trump. 1:42:17.600 --> 1:42:21.640 The question is did he fucking do it? 1:42:22.439 --> 1:42:25.800 So I think that's the question on the factual base, 1:42:25.960 --> 1:42:28.519 but perceptually it doesn't matter. 1:42:28.720 --> 1:42:30.840 What difference does that make? Though? Well, I mean, well, 1:42:31.040 --> 1:42:32.720 and so you so you would want you would want 1:42:32.720 --> 1:42:35.439 the Justice Department to say no, because then that would 1:42:35.720 --> 1:42:39.320 certainly do what between the Justice no, no, No. 1:42:39.600 --> 1:42:42.280 What I'm saying is you're saying they're doing their job, 1:42:42.320 --> 1:42:46.479 which they are doing. I think that Joe Schmoe's perception 1:42:46.600 --> 1:42:48.360 of what's happening is, oh, it's all happening. At the 1:42:48.400 --> 1:42:51.280 same time, there's a reason why they don't want him in, 1:42:51.400 --> 1:42:52.360 so I'm gonna vote for him. 1:42:52.439 --> 1:42:55.000 That's Look, here's the thing. I'll just be honest with you. 1:42:55.320 --> 1:42:59.599 Maybe maybe there are people who who are more sympathetic 1:42:59.640 --> 1:43:04.920 to them and criminals. Right, I'll tell you what. People 1:43:04.960 --> 1:43:09.280 of Americans have had a long cultural relationship with criminality. Right, 1:43:10.520 --> 1:43:16.240 mafioso's scarface, scarface, dope dealers all have been lying eyes, 1:43:16.360 --> 1:43:18.840 and there've been movies made about them. Also, I'll tell 1:43:18.880 --> 1:43:21.559 you what they've never done. They've never took taken one 1:43:21.600 --> 1:43:23.639 of those guys that they knew to be a criminal 1:43:24.560 --> 1:43:26.400 and decided that he was going to lead the country. 1:43:27.040 --> 1:43:30.200 So what I'm going to say is this, if we 1:43:30.320 --> 1:43:34.439 are so deep down the rabbit hole of Trump's being 1:43:34.840 --> 1:43:36.920 persecuted or something like that has happened to that you 1:43:37.000 --> 1:43:39.240 want them to lead the nation, that's fine. You can't argue. 1:43:39.640 --> 1:43:42.400 Listen, it's a wild It's not wild at all. It's 1:43:42.439 --> 1:43:44.280 a wild. I just feel like we've been living in 1:43:44.360 --> 1:43:46.519 like a Family Guy episode or a South Park episode 1:43:46.520 --> 1:43:50.280 the last like eight years. So like if he's like 1:43:50.360 --> 1:43:51.719 re elected, I would not be surprised. 1:43:51.960 --> 1:43:54.479 I wouldn't be surprised either. Look, here's the thing when 1:43:54.520 --> 1:43:58.200 you when you ask me why I think that he'll lose, 1:43:58.600 --> 1:44:03.000 or why I think that Biden, who is objectively a 1:44:03.080 --> 1:44:06.280 bad candidate for sure, like objectively a bad candidate. 1:44:06.360 --> 1:44:08.560 Yes, right, I'll give you a couple of examples. 1:44:09.040 --> 1:44:09.600 Well, I think that. 1:44:12.880 --> 1:44:13.040 One. 1:44:13.200 --> 1:44:16.920 History tells me Trump will lose. Trump won one election 1:44:17.800 --> 1:44:21.679 and then he's been consistently losing elections since then, lost 1:44:21.720 --> 1:44:26.280 in twenty twenty the midterms, people have flipped on them. 1:44:26.479 --> 1:44:27.240 They've cooled. 1:44:27.960 --> 1:44:31.559 All the people who have dived into the elections stealing 1:44:31.600 --> 1:44:32.479 shit have been losing. 1:44:33.040 --> 1:44:37.600 Yeah, Also that there's been a referendum from America on 1:44:38.040 --> 1:44:42.160 trump Ism, on the whole maga thing. The parts of 1:44:42.200 --> 1:44:45.479 America that are very definitively maga are not going to 1:44:45.520 --> 1:44:47.920 come away from it. They feel represented and seen through that. 1:44:47.960 --> 1:44:48.800 So that's not going to change. 1:44:49.160 --> 1:44:51.040 But the people who are at the margins of that 1:44:51.120 --> 1:44:53.680 that actually flipped elections, they have been going a different way. 1:44:54.000 --> 1:44:56.760 So I would have to see them elect him again 1:44:57.479 --> 1:44:59.600 for me to change trend, not for me to believe it, 1:44:59.600 --> 1:45:01.840 because they do do it in twenty sixteen to change 1:45:01.920 --> 1:45:05.320 trend number one. I also do think that as the 1:45:05.439 --> 1:45:10.479 criminal trials beginning, as thing's mount he will probably become 1:45:10.640 --> 1:45:12.640 even less desirable by some of the other people on 1:45:12.720 --> 1:45:15.000 the side. The Republicans are working against Donald Trump right now. 1:45:15.080 --> 1:45:18.760 They're trying to get fronton sadis whatever not gonna be 1:45:18.800 --> 1:45:20.200 able to do it. He's still gonna way. But I'll 1:45:20.200 --> 1:45:24.760 say this, so with all of that stuff, like, I 1:45:24.880 --> 1:45:29.200 think that Joe Biden probably still would beat Donald Trump 1:45:29.920 --> 1:45:33.280 if if he ends up in a general election. About 1:45:34.200 --> 1:45:39.280 Joe Biden and the Democrats are doing themselves, I'm I'm 1:45:39.280 --> 1:45:41.200 all the way to the left. They're doing themselves a 1:45:41.280 --> 1:45:45.040 tremendous disservice in the way they are running their campaign. 1:45:45.920 --> 1:45:48.599 I just saw Obama, like sources close to Obama said 1:45:48.640 --> 1:45:49.479 that he's there. 1:45:49.520 --> 1:45:50.720 You go, yeah, so. 1:45:54.560 --> 1:45:55.720 You saw that story about I did. 1:45:55.840 --> 1:45:57.400 Yeah, there are there are a couple of measurables out 1:45:57.400 --> 1:45:59.120 there that actually look good for the president, that look 1:45:59.120 --> 1:46:02.479 good for his administration. Economy is coming back, not the 1:46:02.520 --> 1:46:03.960 way people will want it to come back, but it's 1:46:03.960 --> 1:46:06.760 coming back robustly, not maybe as quick as people want 1:46:06.760 --> 1:46:09.360 to come back. Economies coming back, gas prices coming down. 1:46:11.520 --> 1:46:13.719 We keep talking about how bad things are in the streets. 1:46:14.200 --> 1:46:17.080 Data says, y'all talk to people. You always have to 1:46:17.080 --> 1:46:20.479 talk to people. But data says that violent crime is 1:46:20.560 --> 1:46:22.479 down in most of the places where it was up before. 1:46:22.560 --> 1:46:26.280 There's still places where it's terrible. And if you're on 1:46:26.360 --> 1:46:27.800 the ground in some of these places and you talk 1:46:27.800 --> 1:46:30.200 to people, they're gonna get You're gonna get all kinds 1:46:30.200 --> 1:46:31.880 of different stories about how their lives actually are. I 1:46:31.960 --> 1:46:34.040 get that. So there are things to message, they're not 1:46:34.120 --> 1:46:34.720 messaging them. 1:46:34.880 --> 1:46:37.719 Well, they've always kind of been the worst at promoting 1:46:37.760 --> 1:46:41.920 themselves there. They have a messaging problem, well, one a 1:46:42.040 --> 1:46:42.839 branding problem. 1:46:42.920 --> 1:46:47.000 Well, one problem they have now is that they don't 1:46:47.040 --> 1:46:54.240 have an executive that's capable of speaking with authority and 1:46:54.400 --> 1:46:59.160 charisma to his wins or to Australia, his his failure, right, 1:46:59.520 --> 1:47:00.160 they don't have that. 1:47:00.280 --> 1:47:01.000 He's not capable. 1:47:01.120 --> 1:47:04.320 He's not capable and for whatever reason, they've sidelined Kamala Harris. 1:47:04.520 --> 1:47:05.439 She hasn't been where she. 1:47:05.479 --> 1:47:05.880 Needs to be. 1:47:06.280 --> 1:47:10.560 People think that these things are criticisms of the Democrats 1:47:10.600 --> 1:47:13.280 that I make. I'm not Democrat, but I said, I'm 1:47:13.280 --> 1:47:14.559 always to the left, but I don't have any part 1:47:14.600 --> 1:47:17.519 of affiliation. People think that these criticisms I'm making a 1:47:17.600 --> 1:47:20.880 Democratic party are ones that I'm making because there's some 1:47:21.000 --> 1:47:25.120 sort of secret agenda from me or from anybody else. 1:47:26.000 --> 1:47:28.200 There are observations that I hope that people would listen 1:47:28.280 --> 1:47:31.879 to so that these things would change. There's no problem 1:47:32.000 --> 1:47:34.120 right now that people that look at the world like 1:47:34.280 --> 1:47:37.200 me are observing that would be better under Donald Trump. 1:47:37.960 --> 1:47:40.600 The war in the Middle East will be prosecuted in 1:47:40.720 --> 1:47:43.960 a much less favorable way, in a much more aggressive 1:47:45.280 --> 1:47:49.640 and bloody way to the Palestinians and Gaza than it 1:47:49.720 --> 1:47:51.640 already is being. And what we're seeing over there right 1:47:51.680 --> 1:47:56.760 now is terrible, ridiculous, murderer, a crazy so just all 1:47:56.800 --> 1:47:58.679 over the place. But it would be worse under Trump. Trump, 1:47:58.760 --> 1:48:04.280 while he was in office, you could make an argument stoked. 1:48:04.439 --> 1:48:06.240 Some of these tropes. 1:48:06.680 --> 1:48:09.400 No, they he stoked some of these fires, Some of 1:48:09.439 --> 1:48:13.040 these tensions arose under him. He made the decision geopolitically 1:48:13.120 --> 1:48:19.680 to move the embassy uh to Jerusalem and recognized Jerusalem 1:48:19.800 --> 1:48:24.439 as the capital of Israel, which was a long held 1:48:25.040 --> 1:48:29.800 point of contention between you know, Israel and the West Bank, 1:48:29.920 --> 1:48:33.519 like who runs who has Jerusalem? Everybody had just said, 1:48:33.600 --> 1:48:35.600 kind of we're leaving out on the table. We're not 1:48:35.680 --> 1:48:38.120 trying to figure that out where it's It's a place 1:48:38.200 --> 1:48:41.000 that nobody kind of owns. You talk about Jordan all 1:48:41.040 --> 1:48:44.759 that stuff, and Trump's like, no, no, no, no, Jerusalem 1:48:44.880 --> 1:48:48.080 is the cultural and political center of Israel. He moved 1:48:48.120 --> 1:48:50.920 it there, and not very many other places in the 1:48:50.960 --> 1:48:55.680 world went along with him doing that. The reality of 1:48:55.720 --> 1:48:58.640 it is that he did that to signal just how 1:48:58.800 --> 1:49:02.080 staunch an ally he years of not just Israel, but 1:49:02.160 --> 1:49:04.240 of bebing that in Yahoo. I want to make sure 1:49:04.280 --> 1:49:07.160 I say this, Any criticism that I have of Israel 1:49:07.320 --> 1:49:10.360 is of Israel as a state. Any criticism that I 1:49:10.479 --> 1:49:14.599 have of any state is of that state as a state. Right, 1:49:15.000 --> 1:49:20.920 people are diving deep into some pretty obvious anti Semitism, 1:49:22.120 --> 1:49:25.320 and these things are being conflated. But if you are 1:49:25.360 --> 1:49:30.320 talking about a country and it's geopolitical actions, it's economic actions, 1:49:30.960 --> 1:49:35.120 it's human rights violations or human rights violations that have 1:49:35.320 --> 1:49:38.840 been committed against them in October seventh, one of the 1:49:38.840 --> 1:49:41.320 worst terrorist attacks we've ever seen, you have to talk 1:49:41.320 --> 1:49:44.000 about it in a sanitized, intellectual way. And the reality 1:49:44.120 --> 1:49:46.720 is there's a geopolitical advantage for the United States to 1:49:46.720 --> 1:49:49.120 have an ally where Israel is situated, for them to 1:49:49.200 --> 1:49:51.400 have a country that has some semblance of democracy and 1:49:51.600 --> 1:49:55.000 blindly support and to blindly support it, not because they 1:49:55.160 --> 1:49:58.600 believe in Israel. It's people, it's freedom, it's self determination, 1:49:58.760 --> 1:50:01.280 or the freedom of the self determination of anybody else 1:50:01.320 --> 1:50:04.679 in that region, but because they believe in their own 1:50:05.200 --> 1:50:08.599 and it's their own interests at heart. It's being able 1:50:08.640 --> 1:50:11.120 to check up on Iran, Iran and being able to 1:50:11.240 --> 1:50:13.680 have an ally there and so you'll send them as 1:50:13.720 --> 1:50:15.800 a mini a pasture helicopters as they need three point 1:50:15.800 --> 1:50:18.519 three billion dollars a year. So when you're talking about 1:50:18.640 --> 1:50:20.160 like what you think a country should be able to 1:50:20.240 --> 1:50:22.160 do and what they should what they should do, you're 1:50:22.200 --> 1:50:25.000 talking about how you look at the world. And the 1:50:25.080 --> 1:50:27.240 way I look at the world is through things that 1:50:27.280 --> 1:50:29.720 have been deprived of me when I was a kid 1:50:29.800 --> 1:50:34.640 in Baton Rouge, which is freedom, justice, access to food, water, healthcare, 1:50:35.360 --> 1:50:41.280 environmental justice, one person, one vote, having your life matter. 1:50:41.360 --> 1:50:44.559 Those are things that when I'm consistently burying people where 1:50:44.600 --> 1:50:48.519 I'm from, that I do not see being reflected in 1:50:48.640 --> 1:50:51.479 certain situations all over the world, right, And that's the 1:50:51.479 --> 1:50:52.760 way I look at the world. I don't look at 1:50:52.760 --> 1:50:54.200 the world through America. 1:50:54.280 --> 1:50:54.519 First. 1:50:55.200 --> 1:50:57.800 I don't look at the world through the lens of 1:50:57.880 --> 1:51:00.800 what's good for us is the most important thing to me. 1:51:01.200 --> 1:51:03.559 I'll look at the world through the lens of are 1:51:03.600 --> 1:51:05.800 people getting what they need? People have what they need? 1:51:06.200 --> 1:51:09.280 Particularly in this case, I'm asking America to be the 1:51:09.680 --> 1:51:12.920 police for the entire world. Particularly in this case, America. 1:51:12.680 --> 1:51:15.840 Is involved, yeah, very much involved. Without being involved in 1:51:16.240 --> 1:51:17.040 America's involved. 1:51:17.040 --> 1:51:21.240 So if America is involved, and you know, three cents 1:51:21.240 --> 1:51:23.200 out of every dollar that I have are going to 1:51:23.240 --> 1:51:25.880 the Defense Department or whatever the number is probably more 1:51:25.920 --> 1:51:28.720 than that, then what I want to know is that 1:51:29.960 --> 1:51:34.280 the people in charge have values and beliefs about the 1:51:34.520 --> 1:51:38.360 value and sanctity of human life that align with mine. 1:51:38.720 --> 1:51:42.639 Well, the only candidate that's running that, it's Corner West 1:51:43.240 --> 1:51:46.400 that shares those I feel like, because everybody else I 1:51:46.439 --> 1:51:47.599 feel like is very much. 1:51:48.240 --> 1:51:49.920 This is what I mean. It's not a Biden thing, 1:51:49.960 --> 1:51:52.000 it's not Trump thing. It's an American thing. America. 1:51:52.760 --> 1:51:56.080 I think that's the most support. 1:51:56.560 --> 1:51:58.839 Here's here's the deal and the killing of Jeffrey Epstein, 1:51:59.160 --> 1:52:02.519 and my god, it's like, it's like, but here's the thing. 1:52:02.560 --> 1:52:03.880 This is what I'm saying. I'm saying is this. I'm 1:52:03.880 --> 1:52:08.400 saying that I have a problem with their being with 1:52:08.720 --> 1:52:12.640 having allies, the problem with America being like like in 1:52:12.760 --> 1:52:16.960 a cultural or economic or even a military alliance with Israel. 1:52:19.360 --> 1:52:23.600 The problem becomes when things are being rubber stamped that 1:52:23.640 --> 1:52:27.360 as an American citizen, I think go against our stated 1:52:27.479 --> 1:52:28.000 morals and. 1:52:28.040 --> 1:52:31.160 Goals value the values of the country. 1:52:31.200 --> 1:52:34.280 I have never been upheld or things that go against mind, 1:52:34.720 --> 1:52:36.640 and I'm allowed to say. Hey, you know what, I 1:52:36.720 --> 1:52:39.479 want everybody to be safe. I want everybody to feel 1:52:39.560 --> 1:52:42.160 safe in their own home. I love the fact that 1:52:42.240 --> 1:52:45.160 there's a place where Jews can go and they can 1:52:45.240 --> 1:52:48.400 feel at home and they can feel safe. I want 1:52:48.439 --> 1:52:50.160 everybody to have that. But at the same time, what 1:52:50.280 --> 1:52:54.760 I want is for power in the world to be responsible. 1:52:54.800 --> 1:52:55.040 That's it. 1:52:55.640 --> 1:52:57.200 That's beautiful, beautifully said. 1:52:57.920 --> 1:53:00.600 Look we out. I gotta say something real before I go. 1:53:02.280 --> 1:53:04.920 I'm fucking with Catus Tea and everything that you're doing. Baby, Thanks. 1:53:04.960 --> 1:53:05.920 My mixtapes coming soon. 1:53:06.040 --> 1:53:11.320 Catus t mixtape coming soon. Joe Rogan in word situation, 1:53:11.479 --> 1:53:13.400 I'm a I'm a. I'm a By the end of 1:53:13.439 --> 1:53:17.759 the week. When is this dropping? Uh? Probably Friday, Okay, 1:53:17.960 --> 1:53:22.000 So by next Friday. By next Friday, you gonna be 1:53:22.040 --> 1:53:22.559 Donald Trump. 1:53:22.960 --> 1:53:23.200 Wow. 1:53:23.320 --> 1:53:28.280 Because I'm gonna write this headline, adopted this headline. I'm 1:53:28.280 --> 1:53:31.479 gonna go, they're very fine people. I'm gonna find I'm 1:53:31.479 --> 1:53:33.840 gonna find all the other stuff you did for some subassets. 1:53:33.840 --> 1:53:34.920 I got you. Not fuck with what you've been talking. 1:53:34.960 --> 1:53:35.479 I appreciate it. 1:53:35.840 --> 1:53:36.040 Yeah,