1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: What up. I'm Van Lathan. I'm here the whole bootleg 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: keV accountable. Check me out on the Bootleg keV podcast. 3 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: We had a great time. You're not gonna want to 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: miss it. Is this? Where would I have heard of 5 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:16,279 Speaker 1: yat song? 6 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 2: Where would you have heard a Yeat song? I think 7 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,759 Speaker 2: just like online on without knowing it, like if someone 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:24,920 Speaker 2: used it, because he did. He did the Minion song 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 2: from the movie for the Rose of Grow or whatever, 10 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 2: and it was a big It was big on online 11 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: like TikTok and reels. Yeah. Well, listen, Van Lathan is 12 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:34,960 Speaker 2: here on the Bootleg CAV podcast. 13 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: Right, welcome, what's up? 14 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:37,279 Speaker 2: What's up? 15 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: Man chilling bro? The only thing I'm here to talk 16 00:00:39,760 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: about is Dual Lipa. 17 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know much about her outside of I 18 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 2: think she's from the same place Action Bronson's from from Albania. Albania. 19 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: Yep, you never heard Dance the Night from the Barbie soundtrack. 20 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:56,120 Speaker 2: Maybe I watched the movie lately, I've been I watched 21 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:56,520 Speaker 2: the movie. 22 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know like that she heard that song. 23 00:01:00,920 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: I don't know if I've really like applied myself to 24 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: when it was on to like really no, it's just 25 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:05,720 Speaker 2: background knowing. 26 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 1: You feel you too masculine for that you're the type 27 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: of god. It's like you feel like there's not a 28 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: part of you and now Postcat Williams, nobody will be 29 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: able to do it. But you feel like you can't 30 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,759 Speaker 1: let go and tap and tap into a different side 31 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: of yourself. That means something. 32 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:24,679 Speaker 2: I have plenty of musical sides in myself, Like tell me, like, 33 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: what's what's I have a Garth Brooks shirt on it though, Yeah, 34 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 2: that's not what I'm talking about. 35 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: Though, that's just the racist side of you. Actually, he's 36 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: not a racist. I shouldn't say that about Garth Brooks. 37 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: Garth Brooks is actually coolest ship. 38 00:01:35,120 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 2: And he's like fucking I think he's like a pretty 39 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 2: progressive differ. 40 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: So I'm saying like, Garth Brooks is one of the genre, 41 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: He's one of the good ones calling baton rouge. I 42 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: liked that song. I also liked when he uh he 43 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 1: flipped it up and went with Chris Gaines for a 44 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: little while he was emo was emo. 45 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't get that. I mean at the time 46 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: I was like a little kid, so I was just like, 47 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:54,600 Speaker 2: I don't know what's going on here? 48 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: You know, so are you so you didn't like that? 49 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: So are you one of the are you want to 50 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: white boys that you go extra hardcore to make up 51 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 1: for the fact that some people might like not want 52 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 1: to let you in. You know what I'm saying. 53 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 2: I'm just me man, just Youah, he's your favorite rapper ever? Yeah, 54 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 2: so I have to answers to that question. My favorite 55 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,639 Speaker 2: MC of all time is Nas. My favorite rapper. Rapper 56 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 2: is Nas. My favorite artist in terms of just like discography. Uh, 57 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: you know, Kendrick's creeping up in there, but it's Kanye. 58 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. 59 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it's like Nas. And then like I just 60 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,079 Speaker 2: have a real serious place in my heart for outcasts too. 61 00:02:36,280 --> 00:02:39,880 Speaker 2: So I would say those would be like the the three. 62 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: But Nas is like my favorite rapper. 63 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: Nas is to me the most the most you know 64 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: how people say the the greatest rapper of all time. 65 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,920 Speaker 1: Nas is the most anointed rapper of all time. 66 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 2: I mean I see the perspective of people thinking that, 67 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 2: like sometimes he's just like he just gets it because 68 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: he's Nas. But in my opinion, like between ill maatic 69 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 2: it was written, you know, I Am, I loved I AM. 70 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,560 Speaker 2: A lot of people didn't like it. I just don't know, 71 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: like who's writing records like fucking rewind you know what 72 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 2: I'm saying. 73 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 1: That's my thing is like there are certain people in 74 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: all of this When we have conversations about who the 75 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: greatest rappers are? 76 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 2: Who the greatest because your favorite album of all time 77 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: is four hundred Degrees right? 78 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah. But when we're having conversations about that, 79 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 1: I think we have them too broadly for sure. 80 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: I always say just my favorite, right. I think that 81 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 2: there's like the list which to me, like the only 82 00:03:36,360 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: guy who should be number one that like nobody could 83 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: argue with is jay Z. Now there's what you can't 84 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: are I think Drake's And again I don't think I 85 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 2: don't think Drake's number one, but I have to give it. 86 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: To so what it was when you say Drake or 87 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:48,800 Speaker 1: jay Z, Like what's the metric there? 88 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,720 Speaker 2: I just think that like we're getting to a point 89 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 2: in time where if you're probably like twenty five, twenty six, 90 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 2: I think that the way you've lived your life and 91 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 2: consumed music, Drake probably has to be the undisputed goat 92 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 2: because because nobody was like like a lot, like like 93 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: these people weren't alive. Like I went to the warehouse 94 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: when I was like twelve or thirteen and bought Blueprint, 95 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like I remember buying Ghetto 96 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 2: Fabulous and Blueprint on September eleventh, like the same day 97 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:21,040 Speaker 2: the fucking the Towers hit. So I think that, like 98 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 2: there's a whole generation of people who like there really 99 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,000 Speaker 2: is only like one answer that's like unarguable, and that's Drake. 100 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 2: Right to me, I think Kendrick is. I put Kendrick 101 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 2: over Drake. 102 00:04:32,839 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 1: I think sometimes people confuse and this is a lot 103 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: of things, and like I said, they're different subgenres. When 104 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: I say Nas is the most anointed rapper of all time, 105 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: there are certain rappers to me that exist that I 106 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: feel like they're touched by something ethereal and spiritual, just 107 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,039 Speaker 1: artists across the landscape of music to say something to people. 108 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:00,280 Speaker 1: I feel like Nas is one of those guys. Feel 109 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: like Jay Electronica is one of those. I feel like, 110 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: you have guys out there, and these guys they would 111 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 1: never be on the level of some of the other 112 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: people because they have something that they have to say 113 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they're perfect people. It doesn't mean that 114 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,840 Speaker 1: they don't get things wrong. Doesn't mean that they need 115 00:05:15,920 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: to grow. It just means that the greatness of their 116 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: music is being funneled through this ethos that's so uncommon 117 00:05:23,440 --> 00:05:25,359 Speaker 1: that a lot of people aren't gonna even try to 118 00:05:25,400 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: do it. When you're talking about like Drake, that's like 119 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: Avatar two the Way of Water. And when I say 120 00:05:31,440 --> 00:05:31,840 Speaker 1: about that. 121 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 2: That's what I always say, Drake is like the Transformers. 122 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I'm saying when you go to see when 123 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: you go to see or Avengers, right right, Vengers in game. 124 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:41,720 Speaker 1: But I actually said that because Avatar two went pass Avengers, 125 00:05:41,800 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: but maybe it didn't. But look, when when you go 126 00:05:44,120 --> 00:05:47,360 Speaker 1: to see Avatar two, when you sit down, you're gonna 127 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,160 Speaker 1: be like, god damn, this is impressive. 128 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 2: You're gonna enjoy it. 129 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: You're gonna enjoy it, and you're gonna be like, this 130 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:56,600 Speaker 1: is the This is super duper impressive. The visuals are crazy. 131 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: The story, which is the meat of it, is good 132 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: enough for you to remember that you are having a 133 00:06:01,880 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: good time. You are immersed in something. Dre's gonna do 134 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: number He's gonna send box that. Drake has always immersed 135 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,160 Speaker 1: people into who he is. He's always given you just 136 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: enough substance for you to be like, Nah, this God 137 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: doesn't have anything more but not enough in my opinion, 138 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: not enough, but just enough for you to be like 139 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:21,800 Speaker 1: He's given you enough emotion, he's given you enough connection, 140 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: but he's never really tackled any really important issue. 141 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: Dude, this is what I say. I say this on 142 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,840 Speaker 2: every platform imaginable. I've been saying this for fucking ever. 143 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 2: I just don't know how he feels about the world, 144 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 2: Like I have no idea about like what it was 145 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,280 Speaker 2: like growing up to be like a biracial kid whose 146 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: mom is Jewish, Like I don't know what it's like, 147 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 2: like like he has no he has no political he 148 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:52,239 Speaker 2: has no political Like he has no political about politics. 149 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:54,880 Speaker 3: Let me say about politics, what's like in the world, 150 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 3: like any sort of like little bit of consciousness, a 151 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 3: little bit of just state of events happening, little opinion 152 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 3: he's like he don't want to have an opinion because 153 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 3: it's like the Michael Jordan thing. 154 00:07:06,120 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: I feel like Republican's vos sleepers, sneakers. Let me say 155 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: something about about when I knew that Drake was kind 156 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: of where he was and fantastic artists makes great music 157 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: but this was gonna say and an incredible rapper, incredible rapper, 158 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 1: best songmaker ever, maybe like incredible rapper, like doesn't have 159 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: too many bad songs. 160 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 2: It's literally, yes, it's hard to have a Drake. 161 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: Ba ninety six percent from the field. Here's the thing. 162 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 1: In the wake of the Drake push a T situation, 163 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:40,200 Speaker 1: that was an opportunity not just for Drake to get 164 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,960 Speaker 1: to the pure essence of hip hop, right because he's 165 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: not already done that. For people to say that Drake 166 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 1: has never answered to this, that's not true. He's answered 167 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: this is all the time. 168 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,679 Speaker 2: He temporarily halted Meek Mill's career, right. 169 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: But there was an opportunity there and maybe he was 170 00:07:55,040 --> 00:07:57,240 Speaker 1: going to do it or whatever for us to get 171 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: an understanding of how difficult the Adonna situate or the 172 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 1: entire thing where his baby's mom was for him, because 173 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: like those are, that's a real relata relatable situation. When 174 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,600 Speaker 1: I say that Donna situation, I don't mean to say 175 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: to say that Donna situation because he loves his son 176 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: and he's obviously a very great father, father is great father. 177 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 1: But to be in a situation with someone that you 178 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:25,880 Speaker 1: weren't particularly attached to and somebody that had kind of 179 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: been out there in the uh in the industry, everybody 180 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 1: was having fun, and then to have that and deal 181 00:08:32,120 --> 00:08:35,600 Speaker 1: with that, and to be trying to keep it close 182 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 1: to the vest like that and not have people know 183 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: about what's going on in your family life and then 184 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: you just have somebody come out and tell all your 185 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: fucking business. That's got to be fucking difficult to deal with. 186 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,280 Speaker 1: And if anything, that was an opportunity to and he 187 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 1: kinda he kind of dubbed it like I wasn't hiding. 188 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,719 Speaker 2: He held the l and didn't reply, But. 189 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: He also didn't give us anything more about what it 190 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:58,839 Speaker 1: meant to go through that, like when you're at the 191 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:00,040 Speaker 1: height of your career. 192 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:02,960 Speaker 2: And why and why it was he didn't want why. 193 00:09:02,760 --> 00:09:04,600 Speaker 1: He didn't want to do it, and what it even 194 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: meant for them to get back cool and all of that. 195 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,200 Speaker 1: So there's a and it might come from all kinds 196 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 1: of things. You know, when we talk about people, we 197 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:14,400 Speaker 1: talk about them like we're talking about the NBA or 198 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: the NFL, But these people are putting their lives in 199 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,560 Speaker 1: their music. So there might be a trauma response there 200 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: that might be a distance from people to protect yourself. 201 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: That might be there all kinds of shit, But because 202 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:30,160 Speaker 1: of that, the music is always going to be less 203 00:09:30,200 --> 00:09:33,040 Speaker 1: important than somebody else who gets in there and bleeds 204 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 1: on them motherfucking records. Always, and it don't matter what 205 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: it is. We could be talking about the difference between 206 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: the Beatles and Van Halen, you know, we could be 207 00:09:42,800 --> 00:09:47,760 Speaker 1: talking about the difference between fucking Marvin Gay and Loser 208 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: Van Drass. 209 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: It's almost like you said, it's like if Drake is 210 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 2: like we all have avengers, right, like Nas is like, 211 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 2: you know, no Country for old men? 212 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: Maybe yeah, Nas is like no Country, but the best 213 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,079 Speaker 1: movie in that So I would say he's like there 214 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:06,120 Speaker 1: will be blood, right yeah, Nas is like there will 215 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:09,520 Speaker 1: be blood. You can watch it and enjoyed as much 216 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: as you want, and I've seen there will be blood 217 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,880 Speaker 1: a bunch of times. But you gotta fucking commit. You 218 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: gotta commit to that movie, and you gotta give it something. 219 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: It's gonna take something from. 220 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: You to me. That's why Kendrick to me has like 221 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if we appreciate him enough, because he's 222 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: somehow catapulted in between his sliders up right, all of 223 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 2: them are. He has hit records. 224 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: He can the best rappers, Like the music is important. 225 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if anybody is a better rapper, to 226 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 2: be fair like, I don't know if anyone is a 227 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: better rapper than Kendrick. I mean there maybe you know, 228 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,080 Speaker 2: like I mean, there's guys like Royce and like you know, 229 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 2: there's guys who are amazing mcs out there, but like Kendrick. 230 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 1: Alien Royce is not like a you know, amazing. 231 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 2: Hendrick's like a god level MC. 232 00:10:50,880 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: There's a level of gods rap better than Kendrick. 233 00:10:54,320 --> 00:10:56,360 Speaker 2: I think Kendrick can do things Royce can't do, though, 234 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:00,160 Speaker 2: I think in terms of like wordplay, voice chain, and 235 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 2: I think I. 236 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: Think certain things if you were going to talk about lyricals, 237 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: like lyrical just I think there's I think Loope. 238 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 2: Is probably better than everybody. Loop is just go press 239 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 2: just go press play on mural. 240 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: No no, I think I think, I think if it's 241 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: if it's em C, I think might be the greatest. 242 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 1: Another white man sit here to separate as you did 243 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: that on purpose. 244 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 2: No no, no no, I liked when they had their I 245 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 2: liked when they had their together. 246 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: I caught that. No no, I didn't bought that I 247 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 1: used to work at the place that invented that. 248 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 2: So are you telling me that Loupe if we're just 249 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,199 Speaker 2: talking about at rap. 250 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,839 Speaker 1: On the most talented, he's amazing, It's like it's dumb, 251 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:43,360 Speaker 1: quite possibly the biggest what if ever, So let me 252 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: tell you something about Let me tell you something about 253 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: Loupe when people think that rap like isn't art. I 254 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: had this conversation with my daddy Rest in peace to 255 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: my dad. Man. My dad was like, yeah, man, you know, 256 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 1: I like the little songs that you'll be having. And 257 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: this is what I love about older black people. They 258 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: have a way of bringing you in but then reminding 259 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: you that what you're talking about really ain't shit. So 260 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: my dad is like, I like the little rap songs. 261 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 1: Little like those little rap songs, y'all do shit that 262 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: ain't no confunction. You know, there ain't no Parliament funk 263 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: or Derek right right right, right right, you know what 264 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 1: I'm saying. But so I was like, Dad, I can 265 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: make you right now a fan of rap. I put 266 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: on put you on Game by Loupe Fiasco from the 267 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: Cool and the song that's basically talking about this idea 268 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 1: of the game and this thing that we have kind 269 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:43,280 Speaker 1: of elevated in this street ethos and this ethic that 270 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: we've taken and made it into something that actually helps 271 00:12:50,600 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 1: to define the fabric and the the conversation and the 272 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:59,679 Speaker 1: relationships and all of these neighborhoods that not only does 273 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:03,160 Speaker 1: it not serve us, it was given to us to 274 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:09,959 Speaker 1: purposefully displace us emotionally and spiritually. And by the end 275 00:13:09,960 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: of the song, everybody that worships the game has sold 276 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:18,839 Speaker 1: their soul to the devil unwittingly. It is a master word. 277 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 2: It's it's one of his best songs for sure. 278 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: Yes, his best song. 279 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's his best song. Don't Go, Don't go on 280 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 2: the loop thing, We're not gonna, We're not gonna, I'll go, 281 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:29,319 Speaker 2: I'll go. 282 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: Loope, Royce, Jay Electronica, Nas Nigga. In addition to my 283 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: homeboys from Louisiana, Box Royale, all of those guys like 284 00:13:42,440 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: these are the guys that I listen to. These are 285 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: the guys that I listen twice, all over and over 286 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: and over again. What you have to tell me, how 287 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 1: you know, Jay Electronica, What did you. 288 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: Think of the Bad Medieval Album. 289 00:13:56,360 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: Here's the thing about the Bad Meats Evil album because 290 00:13:58,000 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: I just I was so tired of the girl who 291 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 1: I always confuse her name with the porn star's name. 292 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,320 Speaker 1: It's Skyler Gray, but I always call her, what's the 293 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: porn star's name, the white chick who was popping like 294 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: ten years ago. 295 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 2: Her last name is Sasha Gray. 296 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a good one right there. That's a 297 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: good one, bro, Sasha. You said scholar, But Skyler Gray's 298 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: I just was Scott to the point where Eminem was 299 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,640 Speaker 1: just putting this her pink on every fucking record. 300 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 2: I'm like, Skylar Gray doesn't belong on a fuck. 301 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: I like Badman, it's evil, but it's Eminem coded. So 302 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:30,440 Speaker 1: em has a very distinct style, and it's his style, 303 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: and the way he does his thing now is pretty 304 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: heavy handed. So but but the song you just brought 305 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 1: up about Loupe, I would take a single one of 306 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: those from Drake and be like, Okay, he has some 307 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 1: songs that make you think he is. Some songs like 308 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: whenever Drake talks about his mother. 309 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 2: His mom or he does I mean like he's very vulnerable. 310 00:14:48,680 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 2: I feel like when talk when he's talking about relationships 311 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 2: in like Darl's Room. Yeah, I just think that like, 312 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: uh you know, like you said, like just dive into 313 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: any sort of fabric of like the world, that'd be nice. 314 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: Drake also is like one of the best examples of 315 00:15:05,600 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: uh like light skinn nigga privilege that's ever existed. Because 316 00:15:12,800 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 1: I know you can't. You probably try to in your 317 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: off time. I don't because like a lot of Drake 318 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: has a lot of songs that are very very very 319 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: uh sensitive, complimentary, uplifting to women. 320 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: But also Drake got a lot of heart on these 321 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 2: whole songs. 322 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: Drake got a lot like even when when when Best 323 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: I've had? When when when Best I've had first came out? 324 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,160 Speaker 1: The song every all the girls are rocking, It's like 325 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:46,640 Speaker 1: when you listen to the words of that record, that's 326 00:15:46,680 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: not a very heartfelt song. 327 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think the greats are all uh 328 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: you know, hypocrites, tupac nas I. 329 00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: Mean, not a human beings. 330 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 2: So the pendulum swings both way. We're not not everybody 331 00:15:58,680 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 2: is one thing, you know what I mean. 332 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: So what I'm so all I'm saying with him though, 333 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:05,880 Speaker 1: is that like he has a record, he has a 334 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: reputation of making music for women. He has a. 335 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 2: Reputation he has that reputation, right, He has. 336 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: A reputation of making music for women, and really, when 337 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 1: you think about it, especially here of late, he has 338 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: as many songs for the women as he does. Basically, 339 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 1: I'm hard on these holes and I'm Drake, you know. 340 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: But look, I tell you, I'll tell you one thing 341 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: right now. The run that he's been on for Nigga 342 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:34,360 Speaker 1: since I was dunking. 343 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: It's eight nine, like best ever had got work. 344 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen again. 345 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 2: No, it's one of one. It's not gonna happen again. 346 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,360 Speaker 1: So whatever you whatever you want to say, put his 347 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,600 Speaker 1: jersey in the rafters is not gonna happen again. 348 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 2: So your personal favorite rappers like give me your like 349 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 2: did you you kind of just gave me. 350 00:16:53,320 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: The nas that motherfucker juvenile Juvie Juvie fucking uh Royce 351 00:17:08,320 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: j Electronica. 352 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 2: I wonder you grow because how old are you? About 353 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 2: the same agent forty three? Okay, so you're older than me. 354 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 2: You're seven years older than me. 355 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: When I was a little. 356 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 2: Kid, I was so into No Limit records. Of course, 357 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 2: ghetto dope was like an important part of my life. 358 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: And you want to beat them, what you wore camouflage. 359 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: Yes, I had that. I had a no I could 360 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,200 Speaker 2: BROH had the chain. I didn't have camera. 361 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: Flro I could see you. 362 00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 2: I was super poor. 363 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:39,239 Speaker 1: I didn't have cameraf I couldn't see you. I'm from 364 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: the rough scrabble areas of Phoenix. I could see you. Yes, Actually, 365 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: right now. 366 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 2: I'll tell you, hey, hey, wait wait, Phoenix is crazy. 367 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 1: I'm sure it is. Like I'm not just Phoenix, by 368 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,240 Speaker 1: the way, because there will be some nigga name No, 369 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: Phoenix is crazy. I see right now that nigga is 370 00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: gott Stale. That's how this shit gets sucked up. And 371 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, I get back to my 372 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,000 Speaker 1: d MS and that's a nigga named Cactus T that 373 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 1: got problems with me. Some shit like that I did 374 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 1: not like. How was there not been a rapper some 375 00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,640 Speaker 1: nigga that named Catasy. I'm not thiss in Phoenix, man, 376 00:18:07,800 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 1: I'm not just in Phoenix. I had my no limit 377 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 1: chain though I know you did, and bro, you had 378 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: all the chains. You was hopping from crew to crew 379 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: like one of these. I can. I can see you 380 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: at fourteen of the of the Rosenberg model. 381 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,480 Speaker 2: No, no, it wasn't fourteen. It was more like like 382 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 2: sixth grade. Uh, it was definitely like I would say 383 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:35,560 Speaker 2: sixth grade, fifth, sixth grade. I would have like my 384 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 2: folder and I could tag up the rough riders are 385 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 2: the Wu Tang. 386 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 1: Double see what like there's a certain thing for white 387 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 1: boys who really love rap. But it's no man, I 388 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: can all see y'all, you know, because then when you 389 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,920 Speaker 1: get to a certain age, then we can't tell you 390 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:52,639 Speaker 1: shit about rap, no more than you get to it. 391 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 2: No, I'm not that no, no, no, no. 392 00:18:55,080 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: We get to a certain age and you can tell 393 00:18:56,800 --> 00:19:01,159 Speaker 1: you can't fucking tell me what coming mint to me. 394 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 2: In nineteen ninety five, I. 395 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 1: Drove all the way from Phoenix to Minneapolis to hear 396 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 1: him spit. 397 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,560 Speaker 2: No, I did see comment in Phoenix. 398 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: See, I know you did. 399 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 2: Common in the Roots. 400 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:15,880 Speaker 1: That's a great show. By the way, talking about rappers. 401 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 2: Black thought, oh yeah, nuts yeah. 402 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: Nuts Andre three thousand, Oh yeah, I hope Glass of 403 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 1: Equipment right there. I hope Blast alone here is this. 404 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:26,880 Speaker 1: Glasses hundred three thousand is one of the top five 405 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 1: rappers of all time. 406 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:29,920 Speaker 2: I think Glasses has some of the worst hip hop 407 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,560 Speaker 2: takes ever. And him and I argue about them all 408 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 2: the time. So you know, Glasses has you know what, y'all. 409 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 2: Let Glasses fuck with y'all. That's the problem. My new 410 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,159 Speaker 2: thing with Glasses is and I know it burns him up. 411 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 2: That's my guy, one of the most solid people. Now 412 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:43,359 Speaker 2: he's the best. 413 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: My favorite thing with Glasses is. 414 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 2: Now there's his album's up there on tape. 415 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: Three words, I say, the Glasses agree to disagree because. 416 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:53,679 Speaker 2: He doesn't want that. 417 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 1: No, that's not what he wants. Glasses. Glasses are coming there. 418 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:00,480 Speaker 1: Sit down. He tried to sit here and say Drake 419 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: wasn't hip hop and I said, that's a that's a 420 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,120 Speaker 1: star wars right there. And he tried to say, well, 421 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: I gotta think about whether or not Kanye's hip hop 422 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:10,280 Speaker 1: because he grew up in the middle class home. Yeah, 423 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 1: I mean, that's just once again the Drake isn't hip 424 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: hop thing. He said four for four isn't a hip 425 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 1: hop album, which is a wild thing, right, So I 426 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: mean that's these are these are see you guys are 427 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: this is Glasses one on one, I'm talking about the 428 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: next one. And then his tweets, his tweets, he'd be 429 00:20:22,920 --> 00:20:24,840 Speaker 1: throwing it out on Twitter like I ain't even gonna 430 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:26,679 Speaker 1: engage today. He believes it though. One of the smartest 431 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 1: guys I'm gonna talk to you, and just one of 432 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: the people that like when you go against him, it'll 433 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: make you smarter. 434 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:34,520 Speaker 2: No, no glasses is great now he just got some 435 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 2: crazy takes. 436 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 1: But yeah, so's those guys. I'm trying to think who else. 437 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:45,159 Speaker 1: Obviously I love kN Drake Lamar. It's a like a 438 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: lot of people that I listened to a whole hell 439 00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:50,160 Speaker 1: of a lot, like uh Lears and Fury Rock Kim. 440 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:51,480 Speaker 1: I love Rock Kim. 441 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: That's one of my favorite songs. 442 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: One of the If you caught me in like ninety seven, 443 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 1: I was bumping like the Eighteenth Letter crazy, I was. 444 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,440 Speaker 2: Gonna say, I actually really the first rock came album 445 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: I ever owned was the Eighteenth Letter, and then I 446 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 2: kind of like went back and got like paid in fool, 447 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: and I like, would I go back and kind of 448 00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: just go through like five MIC albums and the source 449 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: and go buy them and catch up? 450 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,680 Speaker 1: You know, things seems the same, and the whole scene 451 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 1: is laying I come in grant with the unexplained, with 452 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 1: the brains chained awe like nigga. He on another level, 453 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:24,719 Speaker 1: He's the Marlon Brando him. 454 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 2: It was cool meeting Rock Kim as I was, I 455 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:27,919 Speaker 2: think it was like you know what I'm saying, see 456 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 2: see you know what I'm saying. 457 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,159 Speaker 1: Like it was like like you you see, that's this 458 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:34,600 Speaker 1: is what I'm talking about. Let me tell my story. 459 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:36,520 Speaker 1: It's not about let me tell your story. Is about 460 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: that moment probably means so much to to keV that 461 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 1: when he meets a new black and this is not 462 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 1: the first. 463 00:21:42,520 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 2: Time, why is everything Rachel, because it is. You don't 464 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 2: want it to be. You don't want it to be. 465 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 2: You don't want hip hop to be for black people. 466 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 1: You don't think it is. I didn't say that, Okay, 467 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: So then why can't I say Why can't I say 468 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: you're white? 469 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,360 Speaker 2: I was trying to tell my story, you're white. 470 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: I'm black. Look at this. Take a picture of this. 471 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,119 Speaker 1: This this is the for me and you know, but 472 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: what I'm saying is this that meant so much to 473 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,160 Speaker 1: you because he saw you for the first time. Now 474 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:09,920 Speaker 1: far you have to drop. 475 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 2: Know what I was trying to say, Well, it was 476 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 2: cool when I met Rock Kim because I met him 477 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 2: with like a lot of my homies that are like 478 00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 2: much older than me, right, so like they like like 479 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 2: we're listening to him, like like when he was was 480 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 2: rock him and Eric Eric b oh wow. So for me, 481 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 2: like of course Rock Kim's Rock Kim, right, But it 482 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,680 Speaker 2: was just dope to see like like kind of like 483 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 2: it was like my homies like their jay z just 484 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 2: kind of see them and the way they were just 485 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 2: like and I was like excited, but but to them 486 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 2: it was like everything to meet Rock Kim. You know 487 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 2: what I'm saying. 488 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: Are you familiar with the history of Hollywood? 489 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 2: I mean I wouldn't say I'm extremely familiar. I mean 490 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 2: I would say I'm vaguely familiar. I think that we're 491 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:52,719 Speaker 2: all vaguely familiar. 492 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: I mean I live here. Well, this is why I 493 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: say he's the Marlon Brando of rap. All right, this 494 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: is my explanation for this. So method act comes in. 495 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,399 Speaker 1: You know, Marlon Brando and you know everybody from the 496 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: Stella Adler school and different all of that stuff, the 497 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: Strasburg and all that method acting comes in and it 498 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: changes acting, right because there's a you know, you guys, 499 00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:19,479 Speaker 1: you know old Hollywood, very earnest, all of that stuff. 500 00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: Then you have guys that you have a different school 501 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: of acting that comes in, which is based in realism, 502 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 1: synthesizing the character, uh taking that characters emotions and then 503 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:39,360 Speaker 1: making them real, real, grounded portrayals of people that are 504 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 1: that affects you in a different way. And then every 505 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 1: everything changes after him, right, not necessarily the inventor of it, 506 00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: but the single symbol of when everyone started to sound different. 507 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 2: Right, like he was kind of the because of him, 508 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 2: everyone applied themselves for rapping. 509 00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,680 Speaker 1: Right. So, after Brando, and this is Van's opinion, because 510 00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: I know that somebody out there going after Brando, then 511 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,680 Speaker 1: the next generation of actors that come in a little 512 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 1: bit after that, particularly in the sixties, Jack Nicholson Hoffman, 513 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:15,399 Speaker 1: all of these guys, and these guys take like the 514 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: Pacino de Niro, These guys interpret drama in a different way. 515 00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: To me, Rock him is the bridge between he ha 516 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: ha coolgie rapping the rest of those guys too, but 517 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,439 Speaker 1: he's the He's the bridge between all of that and 518 00:24:32,560 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: just thinking of a mass I'm just on this bitch 519 00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: and I'm just spitaking for sure, right, and there are 520 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 1: other guys that are there too. But when I think 521 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,560 Speaker 1: about what it changed and how people are are different. 522 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:43,639 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get on this motherfucker. You're think of him, 523 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 1: you think you think of him, and then you think 524 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 1: of the sound. Totally fucking changing, at least for lyrics, 525 00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,959 Speaker 1: for lyricism. There are other guys out there that are 526 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 1: Internet situations. I'm sure that Ninth Wonder and Sway are like, Man, 527 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,680 Speaker 1: We're gonna call you and tell you a different situation, 528 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: because those are too most novels with hip hop guys 529 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: I've ever talked on the phone Sway. 530 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 2: I've never I met Ninth Wonder once in Saint Louis 531 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 2: at a bar. 532 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: Nice Wonder is a fucking encyclopedia of hip hop. Nice guy, Uh, 533 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:10,920 Speaker 1: Sway is too yes. Sway for sure is the only 534 00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: thing I don't like about Sway. There's one thing I 535 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 1: don't like about Sway. Sway too nice man. Sways too nice. 536 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 1: He's too affable, he's too approachable, he's too concilia tour. 537 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,439 Speaker 1: It's not a negative, but you know a lot of 538 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,960 Speaker 1: people talk about all of these people and these powerful 539 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 1: people and where they should be, and one of the 540 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: star warts one of the most important voices. Sometimes I 541 00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: just want Sway to comment under the fucking thing and say, nigga, 542 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: I'm your father. I've been doing this. 543 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 2: Everyone's father and I've been doing this. 544 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:45,639 Speaker 1: But Sway he's like, legitimately, I'm walking through a fucking 545 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,840 Speaker 1: walking through a hotel. Twenty fourteen, twenty fifteen, Stop dang man, 546 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: I love with you. This is way pre Kanye. Stop 547 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: the love what you're doing TMZ and blah blah blah blah. Approachable, 548 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: give you advice, talk to He's just a perfect energy 549 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: and I, well, you know, I'm here for and he's 550 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: been yeah, a one year heel term from say. 551 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,920 Speaker 2: I see, I don't, I don't. I think that's why 552 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 2: we love Sway because he's above all that bullshit. Is 553 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 2: he's above like the petty shit. He's above you know, 554 00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 2: worrying about what other people are doing. 555 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: You know. 556 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:19,919 Speaker 2: I think like Elliot's been going through that the last 557 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,439 Speaker 2: six months or so where he's tough and I you know, 558 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:25,600 Speaker 2: for me, like see it like like Elliott's to me 559 00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 2: like up there with Sway in terms of like your shit. 560 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 2: I used to get his magazines when I was a kid, 561 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I used to buy every 562 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: double XL and all the sources and everything, and so 563 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,920 Speaker 2: I think with Elliott, it's like, I don't know, it's 564 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 2: like a mixed bag. I guess how people feel with 565 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,760 Speaker 2: him kind of like kind of poking at you know, 566 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:46,159 Speaker 2: like a kais sanat or you know, but Sway I 567 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 2: wouldn't want. I just feel like that's why swaying. Sway 568 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 2: is the goat. So it's like if Sway's the goat, 569 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 2: it's Sway Elliott, but Sway's the goat on a whole 570 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 2: different level in terms of me because when I think 571 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,919 Speaker 2: of my childhood and watching MTV, that's where we before 572 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 2: the Internet. I watched Sway interviews on MTV News, you know. 573 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: But I think that that's why we love Sway, because 574 00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 2: Sway's above just you know, that's pocket watching and looking 575 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 2: over at other people. 576 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: This is what I'll say about Elliott. Elliott knows how 577 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: I feel about him and what I think about him 578 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,840 Speaker 1: about him and honestly, what be dot do and what 579 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:24,120 Speaker 1: they mean. You know, they know how important they are. 580 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: You know, you could be that as not a guy 581 00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: that lacks in any type of confidence. This is what 582 00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: I would say about Eliott. 583 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 2: Neither, by the way, not lacking any sort of company, 584 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:33,240 Speaker 2: not that. 585 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 1: I say about Elliott, and I hope that this is 586 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,199 Speaker 1: taken with as much love as well. How I mean it, 587 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: Elliott is supposed to remain the example of what we 588 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:49,119 Speaker 1: want to be. It will be a gigantic blow to 589 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 1: hip hop and to hip hop journalism. If Elliott Wilson 590 00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: turns into the example of what you don't want to be. 591 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,400 Speaker 2: What you want to be, like he's the golden standard. 592 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,280 Speaker 1: Let me tell yeah, exactly so what you want to 593 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 1: be and in every single different avenue, what you have 594 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: to have or like you said, standard setters, monument builders, 595 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 1: right legends. 596 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 2: And authorities on stuff. And when you're that, when you 597 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: are that, that's bigger. 598 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 1: Than a crowd that you can pull or the heat 599 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,280 Speaker 1: that you can deliver. It's bigger because what it maintains 600 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 1: is the cultural integrity of whatever you're endeavoring into. Hip 601 00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 1: Hop is a more serious endeavor because guys like Elliott 602 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,880 Speaker 1: Wilson exists. Hip Hop is a more serious art form 603 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:53,840 Speaker 1: because it has serious critics and serious journalists like Elliott Wilson. 604 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:57,360 Speaker 1: If he devolves, which it seems like he's dead set 605 00:28:57,440 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: trying to, if he devolves into this new school, which 606 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I'm not a part of of clout 607 00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 1: chasing media figures. It's not just a blow to Elliot 608 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: Wilson's legacy everything, it's a blow to all of it. 609 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: Hip hop becomes less serious if guys like that take 610 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: themselves less seriously. 611 00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, I look at Elliott and beat out as like, 612 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: you know, I think back to like sitting at my house, 613 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 2: I think it was Christmas or New Year's a few 614 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,520 Speaker 2: years ago, watching the Drake interview, and I'm like, this 615 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 2: is the old Like these guys don't have to put 616 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 2: out a bunch of shit because when like they can 617 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: have conversations like that nobody else has the access to 618 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 2: have and or like that's why, like when he was 619 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 2: kind of mad that Drake was doing whatever Drake was doing, 620 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 2: sitting in the bed with that what's that chick saying 621 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 2: the white chick Bobby all talk. Yeah. Yeah, like like 622 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:48,480 Speaker 2: like it doesn't matter because you've got the three hour 623 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 2: all time Drake Interview, and you're gonna get another one 624 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:52,479 Speaker 2: because you're fucking Elliott Wilson. 625 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: But here's the deal, though, there's a way to make 626 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: that criticism right. I'll tell you what I mean by that, 627 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,400 Speaker 1: there's a way to legitimately I'm not a part of 628 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: hip hop Meetia oh ship. 629 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,959 Speaker 2: keV Damn that velcal came off. Wow, Bro, things are 630 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 2: broken there. 631 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: It is shit. It's always good to drop a white 632 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,400 Speaker 1: man on his fucking head and it is your head. 633 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:19,880 Speaker 1: And I'm talking about so ecosystems. We talk about ecosystems. 634 00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:23,880 Speaker 1: What is an ecosystem? An ecosystem is something that uh cyclical, 635 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: ife's itself, right, It's a it's a system of life. 636 00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: So that means that, like you know, the fucking plant grows, 637 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: the fucking insect eats the plant, the fucking animal eats 638 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,480 Speaker 1: the insect. Animal dos ecosystem. When one part of the 639 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: ecosystem stops working, the whole ecosystem is threatened. Right. It 640 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,760 Speaker 1: is incumbent upon hip hop artists to do interviews with 641 00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:48,920 Speaker 1: hip hop media because that feeds the ecosystem. They have 642 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 1: to do hip hop media, there's no I'm telling you 643 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,840 Speaker 1: they If you are a rap artist, and you are 644 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,120 Speaker 1: a big rap artist, you have to do traditional hip hop. 645 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:02,920 Speaker 2: Media at some point, at some point cycle. You have 646 00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 2: to do it all the time. 647 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: And the reason why I think you have to do 648 00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 1: it all the time is two reasons. Number one, cultural 649 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: responsibility to invest back into that media. Number by the way, 650 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: I don't disagree with you, and number two, to feed 651 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: the ecosystem of hip hop because the other part of it, 652 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,720 Speaker 1: the people that look like Bobby and all of those people, 653 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,240 Speaker 1: they gonna eat off hip hop regardless. The question is 654 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: whether or not Bobby all talk is whoever her name is, 655 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: and no disrespect to her, is gonna eat off hip hop. 656 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:33,640 Speaker 1: That's not a question. Her people gonna eat off hip 657 00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: hop because her people own the record companies, her people playlist, 658 00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 1: the shit, they own, the big streamers, they gonna eat 659 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: off hip hop. I don't know who her people are, 660 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 1: but when I say her people is, I mean white. 661 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:48,480 Speaker 1: So her people are gonna eat off hip hop no 662 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:53,720 Speaker 1: matter what. The question is whether or not the black people, 663 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: and not just black, but the people in hip hop media, 664 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: whether they're going to eat off off of it, And 665 00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: the only way to really control that is to go 666 00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 1: sit down with them. 667 00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,479 Speaker 2: I think that Unfortunately, most artists don't agree with you anymore. 668 00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,400 Speaker 1: They don't agree. I'll tell you why they don't agree. 669 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,120 Speaker 1: They don't agree because and this is just a direct 670 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: criticism because as hard as they are, they are equally pussy. 671 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 1: And I say they equally pussy because everybody want to 672 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 1: be hip hop, But don't nobody want to be hip hop? 673 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,520 Speaker 1: Don't nobody want to sit down and answer questions in 674 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: the way that hip hop interviewers ask them. Don't nobody 675 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: want to have somebody? Hip hop is supposed to be 676 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 1: this cultural art form where we don't dance around, and 677 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: we get straight to the FoST to the point, straight 678 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: to the point. We don't play no games. It's no 679 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: funny shit, it's no oh blah blah blah blah blah, 680 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: none of that. It's like, hey, did you do this? 681 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: How did this go? How did this go? 682 00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:53,920 Speaker 2: Blah blah blah. 683 00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 1: But because people have seen a lot of people have 684 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: bad moments on big platforms. 685 00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 2: Now, they don't want to have one of those. 686 00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: Afraid to be hip hop. They're afraid to go sit 687 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: down and talk in the way that not just hip 688 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: hop talks, but the way that black people talk, the 689 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: way that we talk when we interviewing each other. Hey man, 690 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 1: that's crazy, what the fuck you're doing? Hey man? You 691 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 1: out of a sister? Boom boom. They're afraid to have 692 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: a conversation, So they would rather go sit down with 693 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,720 Speaker 1: someone that has a big platform that will treat them 694 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: in a way that's not to me culturally authentic, then 695 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: actually have a culturally authentic and powerful conversation with someone 696 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: that benefits in the long run them then that person's platform, 697 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: which I am not in hip hop media. I'm just 698 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,120 Speaker 1: telling you my observations and the entire hip hop ecosystem. 699 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 1: So you can't be brave enough to rap about like 700 00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,920 Speaker 1: shooting people on records and all of that stuff, and 701 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 1: brave enough to be out in the streets, but not 702 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: brave enough to go sit down with somebody that's gonna 703 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 1: ask you real questions. 704 00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 2: Well, I think a couple of things. One like I've 705 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 2: heard actual like managers label people say like if someone's 706 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 2: at a certain level, doing interviews can only hurt them. 707 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: Right, Well, this is what I would say, probably, But 708 00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: I would also say this, there's also another part of that. 709 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 1: Another part of that is this inside of this ecosystem. 710 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: I know this very well worked at MC. Inside this ecosystem, 711 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: we have to hold interviewers accountable. I agree for asking 712 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: questions that aren't substantive, that are clout chasing that are 713 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: beef inspiring, that are all of that stuff. You have 714 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:37,920 Speaker 1: your platform. You can ask people whatever you want to 715 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: ask them. You can do whatever you want to do. 716 00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:42,160 Speaker 1: But if we're going to talk about all of these 717 00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:45,319 Speaker 1: different responsibilities that we have, we also have to talk 718 00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:47,839 Speaker 1: about the fact that there is a way that you're 719 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: supposed to conduct an interview when the interview is about music, culture, inspiration, 720 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 1: work ethic, when it's about your past, when you're really 721 00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,800 Speaker 1: gonna sit down and get a penetrated interview with the 722 00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:02,200 Speaker 1: art artist or with someone, if there's a way that 723 00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,560 Speaker 1: you do that, and if you veer off into the 724 00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: click baity clout chasy situation, which a lot of people 725 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: are doing, we have to be honest about those people too. 726 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think like my approach to interviews really is 727 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:18,240 Speaker 2: like if I'm not fully like there's people i'll interview 728 00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,800 Speaker 2: who I'm like, I'm familiar with their music, but I 729 00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,160 Speaker 2: might not be like a like a hardcore fan, right, 730 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 2: So my whole approach is like trying to figure out 731 00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:33,560 Speaker 2: who they are, like the common ground between me and 732 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,120 Speaker 2: this person, so we can shoot the shit and have 733 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:38,680 Speaker 2: like a cool conversation. Like I feel like When I 734 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,080 Speaker 2: think of like Elliott and Beatout, I know that they're 735 00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 2: going to have the laptop with all of the notes 736 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:45,680 Speaker 2: and then this year and then on this you know 737 00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 2: what I mean. And they're certain artists that I'll have 738 00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 2: those conversations with. But for the most part, you know, 739 00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 2: it's almost like when I went and did a I 740 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:55,720 Speaker 2: just did an interview NBA Young Boy, and I was like, Okay, 741 00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 2: everybody who talks to this guy treats him like he's 742 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 2: an alien. Uh, I'm just gonna like just go hang 743 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 2: out with him and shoot about ruge. Well, shout to 744 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 2: you're from Baton Rouge, right, Well, I just feel like, 745 00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 2: you know, like I just wanted to like just talk like, yo, 746 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,920 Speaker 2: let's just hang out shoot the ship like mountain. 747 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:17,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, how was it? It was fucking beautiful. You loved it. 748 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:18,520 Speaker 2: It was cool. 749 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:19,279 Speaker 1: You loved it. 750 00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 2: Okay. 751 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: You ever heard of his site Point and Shoot on YouTube? 752 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, he just did a video about me. 753 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: I watched it. 754 00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny because you mad. No, I'm not 755 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 2: at the point shooting actually broke. I m him and 756 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 2: said the video was really good, good. 757 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,800 Speaker 1: Job, But can I show you that was passive aggressive? No? 758 00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:38,320 Speaker 2: It wasn't it was funny. 759 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,680 Speaker 1: It was let me tell you, bru, y'all try to 760 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,280 Speaker 1: what people don't understand. 761 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 2: I've been wait a minute, so you watched that video, 762 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,640 Speaker 2: so then you know I went to Grave Digger Mountain. 763 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 2: So why did you ask me that question if you 764 00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:48,880 Speaker 2: knew the answer. 765 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: Because I just because I'm playing games, because. 766 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,600 Speaker 2: You're a troll digital That video is so funny because 767 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 2: I did not realize. So I used to live in Vegas. 768 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 2: I did radio on this right, and I used to 769 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 2: DJ a monthly hip hop showcase. So there was a 770 00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:08,880 Speaker 2: there was a guy named High High Life who used 771 00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,640 Speaker 2: to throw the showcases and me and my boy saying 772 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,440 Speaker 2: with DJM, so we would DJ for like maybe ten 773 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 2: to fifteen artists every time this would happen. So if 774 00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,640 Speaker 2: you ever been to like a rap showcase, local rap showcase, 775 00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 2: one they're not very busy. Two they fucking suck the 776 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 2: DJ because you're dealing with all these USBs. And back 777 00:37:26,520 --> 00:37:29,440 Speaker 2: then it was it was a CD, you know. So 778 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,880 Speaker 2: I had no idea that I had ever encountered that 779 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,640 Speaker 2: dude sharp prior to the time I met him, and 780 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:40,760 Speaker 2: he came into my podcast, right, So it's just funny 781 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:44,279 Speaker 2: that like this guy has this like gotcha moment and 782 00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:46,759 Speaker 2: it is like trying to talk down on me because 783 00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:49,799 Speaker 2: like I frink wetted strip clubs in Las Vegas. 784 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,319 Speaker 1: And I've been but well, this is what I would say. 785 00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 2: It was funny though, No, no, I actually think that 786 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,239 Speaker 2: is just really funny. What I think that dude, like 787 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:57,320 Speaker 2: the video was funny. 788 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: I tried to draw him out and get him on 789 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,279 Speaker 1: your podcast or you can line him up side. I 790 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,560 Speaker 1: don't know what you're trying, no care. If you're one 791 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: of the biggest gangsters, you actually might be Catus Tea. 792 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,279 Speaker 1: You one of the biggest gangsters in Phoenix. You're trying 793 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: to give them this is what people do. See y'all 794 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,480 Speaker 1: think I'm too I'm too veteran for this. You, hey man, 795 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,480 Speaker 1: I appreciate that good boom boom. I love to have 796 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:17,800 Speaker 1: you come over here and then all of a sudden, 797 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: you and your man over here stomp them out. And 798 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: that's good for you because now you've got a headline. 799 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 2: Your own children. How many children you got, I have 800 00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 2: two children, and I are old. I have an eighteen 801 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 2: year old and a ten year old. 802 00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:35,399 Speaker 1: So that changes nothing. I'm not help you stomp out 803 00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,319 Speaker 1: point and shoot outside of them. 804 00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 2: Listen, if you have babies, that would be one thing. 805 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,279 Speaker 1: But you what you just said was, I got another 806 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: nigga in the crew that can help me fucking stomp 807 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: out point. 808 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,760 Speaker 2: I'm not risking any charges. I'm not risking any felonies. 809 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:49,000 Speaker 1: I get it for. 810 00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,719 Speaker 2: I actually genuinely thought the video was funny. It was 811 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 2: I watched all his videos, and I think that, like, 812 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 2: he's actually really good. 813 00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: There's something to be said that when someone is obviously 814 00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,360 Speaker 1: fucking with you in joke. I thought it was like 815 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 1: all of the stuff he said about me, I genuinely 816 00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:05,280 Speaker 1: took YouTube. 817 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 2: I thought it was like funny. I was like, oh, 818 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,160 Speaker 2: that's good because like I'm I have like, uh, I 819 00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:11,600 Speaker 2: don't have that big of an ego. I don't really 820 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,520 Speaker 2: give a fuck. Like the way him and I talk 821 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,040 Speaker 2: to each other, me and my friends talk to each other. 822 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,799 Speaker 1: I'm like, this ship is great. What uh? 823 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 2: What youtubes do you watch? What YouTube channels do? 824 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:20,279 Speaker 1: I mean? 825 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,799 Speaker 2: I would say most of my YouTube stuff is very 826 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:28,040 Speaker 2: sports heavy, you know. I would say I watch a 827 00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:31,399 Speaker 2: lot of PFT with like Mike Florio, Chris Sim's I watch, 828 00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 2: Uh you know McAfee's in there every once in a while, 829 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 2: all the NBA stuff. Uh, and then I'll I've veered 830 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:42,160 Speaker 2: into like there's this political channel called Breaking Points. I 831 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:43,600 Speaker 2: know that point, Crystal Bill. 832 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I like the ball I love them because I 833 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: can just watch and watch Rising as well. 834 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 2: With Rising is amazing on the Hill. They're great, dude, 835 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 2: They're great. So actually, those two shows I probably watch 836 00:39:56,239 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 2: every day in some capacity, just clips, you know, like 837 00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 2: to catch up on what's going on. And I think 838 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:05,239 Speaker 2: that it's joke because it seems like they're all four 839 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 2: of the people involved in those two shows are very 840 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 2: level headed and they give you different perspectives, so. 841 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,640 Speaker 1: You don't ever go on Welcome to hood War stories. 842 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:13,360 Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no. 843 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,560 Speaker 2: I can show you my algorith you see it now, bro, Pa, 844 00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 2: what the fuck did you see that? I'm saying you want? 845 00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: Did you see what he just did? He said, I 846 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 1: can show you my algorithm if you want to see it, 847 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,360 Speaker 1: and then he reached into his pants. 848 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,000 Speaker 2: Bro, No, look look what's the first video? What's the 849 00:40:28,040 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 2: first video? 850 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: Said? What did I tell you? WHOA? Well, I don't 851 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,040 Speaker 1: want to see your algorithm, bro, put your algorithm away. 852 00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,360 Speaker 1: It's my YouTube algorithm, r algorithm away. I don't know 853 00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,320 Speaker 1: what y'all don't know why you call it the algorithm, 854 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: probably because. 855 00:40:39,239 --> 00:40:41,560 Speaker 2: It's my YouTube algorithm, like it. 856 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 1: Put your algorithm away, bro, They're not trying to see 857 00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:44,400 Speaker 1: your algorithm. 858 00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 2: I see the herd, I see p f T Yeah, 859 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 2: I see uh. 860 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to wod WARSW I'll go to Welcome to. 861 00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:58,320 Speaker 2: Hoo fucking Uncinko MSNBC Lebatars. 862 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: Like I got, I don't have as much other sports stuff. 863 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,719 Speaker 1: I got a lot of it, right, I got, But 864 00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: it's all it's very specific with me. So it's LSU football. 865 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know what I'm saying. It's LSU football. 866 00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,439 Speaker 1: So it's not necessarily I have a lot of sports 867 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:14,080 Speaker 1: stuff on there, but it's specific because I saw myself 868 00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: sifting through a lot of fucking sports topics I didn't 869 00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:20,680 Speaker 1: give a fuck about, right, but it's Saints, LSU football, 870 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:25,360 Speaker 1: very direct sports stuff, like five different LSU football channels 871 00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,520 Speaker 1: off the bench, my favorite one Power hour LSU Fucking 872 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:31,000 Speaker 1: After further review. 873 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 2: There's a show like that for the Suns. 874 00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:33,680 Speaker 1: I watch Tiger Bait. 875 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 2: There's this pH and X sports podcast I watch on YouTube, 876 00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 2: like at the end of every game, they go live 877 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:38,840 Speaker 2: and then you. 878 00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,359 Speaker 1: Sit down and watch it. Kalickie Canada stated, she comes 879 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,799 Speaker 1: in and she goes, Yo, why are you just watch 880 00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:47,200 Speaker 1: the game? Why are you gonna sit down and then 881 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,480 Speaker 1: watch two hours of somebody talking about the game that 882 00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:51,800 Speaker 1: you just watch? And I'll just Positive TV and I go. 883 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,239 Speaker 1: My wife says the same thing, just Positi TV, and 884 00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: I go, you want to be in this or not? 885 00:41:58,680 --> 00:41:58,919 Speaker 2: Cool? 886 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,919 Speaker 1: Boom? Let me watch my shit, Let me watch my shit, 887 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,920 Speaker 1: Let me play the game. I come back all the 888 00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:08,879 Speaker 1: way from uh fucking working on the road. I'm doing 889 00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,920 Speaker 1: cn INN or something like that. I sit down, I 890 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: got the controller. When I have the controller? Okay, keV 891 00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:18,000 Speaker 1: And Spider Man is swinging nigga. I am Spider Man. 892 00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,040 Speaker 1: I'm swinging around New York. I'm helping people. I'm saving people. 893 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,720 Speaker 1: I'm going on missions. Bro. Just last week, no bullshit. 894 00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:31,279 Speaker 1: I beat Scorpion, I beat craving a Hunter. I beat 895 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: motherfucking Samman, I beat Venom. Not Spider Man. Me, I 896 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:37,480 Speaker 1: did it? 897 00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:40,759 Speaker 2: Okay, I beat all of these people. I say, is 898 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:41,560 Speaker 2: this Spider Man too? 899 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,400 Speaker 1: Spider Man two? I saved New York. I saved it. 900 00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:46,319 Speaker 1: When I come home, let me play the game. 901 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,879 Speaker 2: Do you ever buy video games and you're mad because 902 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,680 Speaker 2: you don't have time to play them? Wrong, that's my life, 903 00:42:51,840 --> 00:42:54,880 Speaker 2: not by all the games, and I never played my 904 00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:55,839 Speaker 2: kids got them. Lie. 905 00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:58,600 Speaker 1: You could make time to save people if you really 906 00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:01,120 Speaker 1: cared about it. But the problem is that you got 907 00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:05,359 Speaker 1: to listen to shoreline Mafia and the rest of the underground, which, 908 00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:06,719 Speaker 1: by way, I'm not disting to my fuck with them 909 00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:07,560 Speaker 1: Mark oh. 910 00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:08,760 Speaker 2: Jez shouts shortline Phoenix. 911 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,399 Speaker 1: So the rest of the underground people, you gotta listen 912 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,880 Speaker 1: too much hip hop. See, I don't listen to as 913 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: much hip hop as you. I'm gonna go to my 914 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:15,920 Speaker 1: hip hop right now. I'm gonna go to my title 915 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 1: because jay Z telling me to to buy a title 916 00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,080 Speaker 1: and then after I got tiredled and got used to title, 917 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,919 Speaker 1: he sold it to white people. The Verizon by ten? 918 00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: Is that true? Yeah? Oh? But so my ship, like 919 00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:34,839 Speaker 1: literally the ship that I'm on, like my playlist, it's 920 00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:35,480 Speaker 1: all old ship. 921 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:35,640 Speaker 2: Bro. 922 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm not listening to much of that 923 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:41,400 Speaker 1: new ship, so I agree. So I've heard these songs, 924 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:42,960 Speaker 1: so I don't have to like. But you have to 925 00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:44,880 Speaker 1: be up on hip hop. Yeah, so you don't have 926 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: time to save New York. The new ship I love 927 00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:48,080 Speaker 1: is is uh. 928 00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 2: So. I knew who Dave was for a long time, 929 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:56,400 Speaker 2: but I know who from the UK. So Dave and 930 00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,640 Speaker 2: Central cy put an EPR called to Split Decision, which 931 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,400 Speaker 2: was my second favorite project from last year. But I 932 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 2: dived into this guy Dave and his discography. He's so 933 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,799 Speaker 2: good you like him? Like Dave, Dave is like an 934 00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 2: elite level. 935 00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:13,520 Speaker 1: Where is he from? 936 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,000 Speaker 2: He's from the UK. He's fucking fire. 937 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:17,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 938 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,040 Speaker 2: See, he's got some of the more most vulnerable rap 939 00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:20,839 Speaker 2: songs that ever heard my mine. 940 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:24,640 Speaker 1: That's Captus Tea. That's Catus T right there. I will 941 00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,359 Speaker 1: tell you one new group that I like. These guys 942 00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: out of New York. They called forty one. 943 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,919 Speaker 2: Their fire shoutout. I've had him on twice. Jen Carter, 944 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,120 Speaker 2: Kyle Rich Bro. Jim Carter is crazy Broyeh, She's fire 945 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,000 Speaker 2: and they're cool ast fuck Jim Carter is crazy, bro. 946 00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,160 Speaker 1: I'm I supposed to be listening to PST from the 947 00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 1: side of the side. 948 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,960 Speaker 2: How can I see what I what I listened? 949 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,520 Speaker 1: So I got this is what I got out here. 950 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:47,719 Speaker 1: I got Dua Liba I got Domino, remember him, of 951 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: course you get though jam in about the slam. I 952 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 1: got Beanie Siegel, I gots Victory, which I guess I'm 953 00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:58,399 Speaker 1: not supposed to be listening to that now. Oh shit, 954 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 1: oh shit, I'll still listen to that shit fuck that. 955 00:45:02,600 --> 00:45:08,600 Speaker 1: I got a flip side. Oh my god, bro Beanie Sigle, Freeway, 956 00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,800 Speaker 1: that's actually Freeway and p D Crack. So my my playlist, 957 00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:14,719 Speaker 1: my playlist on here though is I'll show you my 958 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:17,280 Speaker 1: hip hop playlist. This is my hip hop playlist running 959 00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 1: the far side, ninety three to Infinity to Infinity, Infinity, 960 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,480 Speaker 1: Sean Fintassy Ye until Infinity. 961 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,280 Speaker 2: Shout out to the ringer Sean Finasy Yeah, which. 962 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:29,480 Speaker 1: Is the greatest hip hop song I've ever made. Disagree Yeah, Okay, 963 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:34,520 Speaker 1: got this team? Uh hey, I disagree Mass Appeal, Electric Relaxations. 964 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,640 Speaker 2: So this is like a playlist you put together. Yeah, 965 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,759 Speaker 2: this is my ship shook Ones I wish I had see. 966 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 2: I don't have a playlist like that. 967 00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,800 Speaker 1: That's me. I just I just big L. 968 00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:44,400 Speaker 2: I just hit search and like whatever I feel like 969 00:45:44,520 --> 00:45:46,480 Speaker 2: listening to. I do the same thing Boom, I do that. 970 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,120 Speaker 1: I do that too. But I do have some playlists 971 00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: that I have to have. 972 00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 2: And Spotify has a twenty tens playlist that they curated 973 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:54,960 Speaker 2: for me. That is fire. It's like all twenty ten 974 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:58,359 Speaker 2: ship that I like. Tit title Well, Spotify is great, 975 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,120 Speaker 2: Spotify is to You could go listen to Higher Learning 976 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 2: on Spotify. 977 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 1: Listen to Higher Learning the podcast on Spotify. Spotify is great. 978 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,080 Speaker 1: I used title for a lot of music stuff. Spotify 979 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,600 Speaker 1: is amazing. It's great. 980 00:46:09,640 --> 00:46:12,160 Speaker 2: I used title for a lot of music stuff though, because. 981 00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,759 Speaker 1: Title knows me now. Title knows me now. 982 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 2: I give most of my podcast. Yeah, my twenty tens 983 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,880 Speaker 2: playlist is gas. But yeah, I mean I just and 984 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:22,240 Speaker 2: then I'll just download albums. You know, I got you download, 985 00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,200 Speaker 2: I got j id on here Forever story, Pray for Paris. 986 00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:26,920 Speaker 2: We'side gun, that's. 987 00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,919 Speaker 1: Not gun crazy, whole Griselda crazy, going back to going 988 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: back to Ellie and b Dot. I was loving Griselda. 989 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: I was fucking with Griselda. Listened to a lot, I 990 00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,040 Speaker 1: had a New Year's Interview, and then I became a 991 00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: Griselda fucking fan. Love Griselda, love them, love Griselda. But 992 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: I love everybody. I love the people that don't get along. 993 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,799 Speaker 1: I love Griselda. I think Freddy is having a great 994 00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:53,280 Speaker 1: like Freddy. 995 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,839 Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, he's one of my best friends in the world. 996 00:46:57,280 --> 00:46:58,480 Speaker 1: So you were Freddie best friends? 997 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:01,080 Speaker 2: Yes, okay, that's my brother brother for real, for. 998 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: Real, y'all. Have you ever been to Sam's Softbro. 999 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, making sure chicken wings. And that's the 1000 00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:10,120 Speaker 2: best place to throw money at strippers. Because listen, not 1001 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:11,839 Speaker 2: for me in reasons obviously. 1002 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: Listen to what you just said. Listen, let me tell 1003 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:14,160 Speaker 1: you how you're a misogynists. 1004 00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, because when you throw the money at Sam's Hofbro, 1005 00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:21,520 Speaker 2: it's kind of like feeding birds. Okay, Wow, it's true. 1006 00:47:22,040 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 2: It's true. Whoa is anybody who's on the stage has 1007 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 2: a right to the dollar? 1008 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,279 Speaker 1: Whoa catus tea. Let me tell you something. You throw 1009 00:47:29,360 --> 00:47:31,840 Speaker 1: money at strippers, I throw it in the air. I 1010 00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:36,520 Speaker 1: throw money too strippers because here we fucking go. I 1011 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,920 Speaker 1: accept them and their humanity and what they are. I 1012 00:47:40,080 --> 00:47:41,239 Speaker 1: throw money to them. 1013 00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:42,279 Speaker 2: So help. 1014 00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 1: No, no, no, no no, you said what you meant 1015 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,200 Speaker 1: stand on at catus t What you said was you 1016 00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:53,560 Speaker 1: throw money at strippers? At them? I throw money too strippers. 1017 00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:55,279 Speaker 1: Sometimes I don't throw it. Sometimes I put it in 1018 00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:59,040 Speaker 1: an envelope and hand them to and say, most people 1019 00:47:59,120 --> 00:48:02,320 Speaker 1: in the world, you will not find another higher connoisseur 1020 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:06,279 Speaker 1: of these establishments other than myself. I rarely go. But 1021 00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 1: when I do go. When I say rarely, I mean 1022 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,279 Speaker 1: like once a year. But when I do go, maybe 1023 00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,400 Speaker 1: not even that. But when I when I do go, 1024 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:17,520 Speaker 1: I throw the money to them, hand it off like 1025 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,040 Speaker 1: a fuck of the time, because I want them to 1026 00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:19,840 Speaker 1: live their dreams. 1027 00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 2: I am very very integrated in the strip club culture, 1028 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,319 Speaker 2: so I'm very very aware. I'm friends with a lot 1029 00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 2: of strippers. It's a budget for a strip club night, 1030 00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:31,040 Speaker 2: that's a good personally me. Yeah, it was a. 1031 00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:31,799 Speaker 1: Boutleg kept night. 1032 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:36,279 Speaker 2: It depends on where I'm going, So, uh, if I 1033 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,880 Speaker 2: was in Arizona and my heyday, like Jaguars, which is 1034 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,040 Speaker 2: like the best strip club on the West Coast, Jag Wires, Yeah, Jags. 1035 00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,040 Speaker 2: Jags is the best strip club on the West Coast. 1036 00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:46,360 Speaker 2: Anybody who's gone will tell you that. All the rappers 1037 00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 2: I take there say the same Wires Jags like Jaguars 1038 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:54,000 Speaker 2: Yeah war Uh So I kind of like, you know, 1039 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,080 Speaker 2: I just kind of like I want to say, like 1040 00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,239 Speaker 2: it was kind of like my spot, so I would 1041 00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:00,759 Speaker 2: go in there and get my chicken wings, I get 1042 00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,840 Speaker 2: my fucking shrimp tacos, I get my cabana. 1043 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:07,239 Speaker 1: Gotta tell you this is actually a very precious moment. 1044 00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,720 Speaker 1: Like there are rare times when you're talking to someone 1045 00:49:11,560 --> 00:49:14,359 Speaker 1: and you can see the wheels of their brain are 1046 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:16,680 Speaker 1: taking them back to a time where they legitimately have 1047 00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:19,840 Speaker 1: good times. Yes, there a place where they legitimately like 1048 00:49:20,400 --> 00:49:26,160 Speaker 1: like like Kim started talking about jack Wires and he goes, yeah. 1049 00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:28,040 Speaker 2: It's a good place. But it wasn't even like a 1050 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 2: good place for the reasons that you like, like not 1051 00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:30,880 Speaker 2: even get it. 1052 00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,719 Speaker 1: It was a good place just because there are certain 1053 00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,520 Speaker 1: places even naked women or no naked women. Well, the 1054 00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,239 Speaker 1: ambiyonce it's a am Beyonce is the food. The time 1055 00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,359 Speaker 1: in your life is right time in my life. 1056 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:44,080 Speaker 2: And like for me, I would rather I'm a I'm 1057 00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:46,160 Speaker 2: a like dive bar kind of guy or a strip 1058 00:49:46,200 --> 00:49:48,839 Speaker 2: club kind of guy. Like I'd rather not be at 1059 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:50,520 Speaker 2: a night club. I mean, I own a nightclub in 1060 00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:52,839 Speaker 2: Scott Steel, right, So like shots at the nightclub game 1061 00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,880 Speaker 2: fucking does very well. I love DJing at nightclubs, you know, 1062 00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:59,160 Speaker 2: but I'm not going to a night club unless I'm djaying. 1063 00:49:59,520 --> 00:50:00,400 Speaker 1: Right, not your thing. 1064 00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:01,840 Speaker 2: Like, I don't want to go hang out at the 1065 00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:05,400 Speaker 2: club because I don't know if it's really ever been 1066 00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,080 Speaker 2: my thing, to be honest, m I'd rather go to 1067 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:08,759 Speaker 2: a dive bar or go to a strip club where 1068 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,040 Speaker 2: we could just chill, have a little convo over some 1069 00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,280 Speaker 2: fucking drinks, maybe order some food. 1070 00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,480 Speaker 1: So this is my thing about the club, and this 1071 00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:20,200 Speaker 1: is my thing, right. I'm from a different club culture 1072 00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,560 Speaker 1: when I was in Louisiana. We dress up, we go 1073 00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:26,239 Speaker 1: to the club. We dress up like we going to church. 1074 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:27,920 Speaker 1: We go to Club Upscale, we go there. It used 1075 00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,120 Speaker 1: to be like that too, go to Club Upscale, We go. 1076 00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 2: To the strict leaving force stress code, strictly force dress code. 1077 00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:34,680 Speaker 1: Right, we go, We go to there, We go to 1078 00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,439 Speaker 1: the nightlife. We go to a perfect Tien party. Shout 1079 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:40,680 Speaker 1: out to TJ, Mike, everybody out there was throwing party. 1080 00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:41,719 Speaker 1: Shout out to all of them. We go to the 1081 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,799 Speaker 1: parties and we go there all dressed up. But when 1082 00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:49,239 Speaker 1: we leave that motherfucker, we are dripping wet with sweatd B. 1083 00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,560 Speaker 1: You know them old movies where you see a joint 1084 00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:55,440 Speaker 1: and the people in there and the beads are sweat 1085 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 1: coming off there. 1086 00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,400 Speaker 2: They got sweat and it's. 1087 00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,840 Speaker 1: A man he got his hand on a woman like that, 1088 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:01,040 Speaker 1: and they grinding and. 1089 00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:01,760 Speaker 2: All of that stuff. 1090 00:51:01,800 --> 00:51:04,120 Speaker 1: All that shit's out. You know, that's what we were doing. 1091 00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,200 Speaker 1: We were like the back of the ass up, come 1092 00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,759 Speaker 1: on and like the whole fucking club lose thing. 1093 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 2: I couldn't even imagine being alive and back. 1094 00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,160 Speaker 1: But it was a couple of joints that you would 1095 00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:16,760 Speaker 1: just drop by the way and just go crazy. 1096 00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:19,520 Speaker 2: But my argument might be, you know, that's an argument 1097 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,080 Speaker 2: for best rap. 1098 00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 1: Song ever, could be definitely the most best club song ever, 1099 00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,719 Speaker 1: could be definitely best clubs on ever. So like then 1100 00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,080 Speaker 1: you get to LA and they don't have none of that. 1101 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,839 Speaker 1: That's not how our clubs are. The clubs in LA 1102 00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:36,640 Speaker 1: are uh, musical museums. 1103 00:51:37,600 --> 00:51:39,920 Speaker 2: I think there was probably a time where they were 1104 00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,239 Speaker 2: more like that, but I don't remember it. 1105 00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,240 Speaker 1: But like the clubs in LA were are musical museums. 1106 00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:46,560 Speaker 1: Like their music playing and you're looking at pretty pictures 1107 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,680 Speaker 1: all around. I mean, people are turning up a little bit. 1108 00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:50,520 Speaker 1: You might get a shoulder shimmy or something like that. 1109 00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:53,680 Speaker 1: So I fuck with that and that's okay. But if 1110 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:55,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do that, I would rather go to a 1111 00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:58,200 Speaker 1: place where I can hear somebody talking. 1112 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, So the music is playing, yes, and 1113 00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:01,600 Speaker 2: we all. 1114 00:52:01,520 --> 00:52:03,560 Speaker 1: Try to My whole point, were drinking. We haven't a 1115 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,120 Speaker 1: what's what's your drink of choice? Uh? 1116 00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:08,239 Speaker 2: It's changed over the years these days. If I'm not 1117 00:52:08,520 --> 00:52:11,920 Speaker 2: trying to lose weight and be fat, Uh, I always 1118 00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:12,880 Speaker 2: just get a corona. 1119 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:17,680 Speaker 1: I like a whisky sour and so I'll drink tequila 1120 00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,440 Speaker 1: on the rocks. So I'll drink one, right and if 1121 00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,560 Speaker 1: I can hear you talk and we can all have 1122 00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,560 Speaker 1: a we was. I was at a party last night 1123 00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,200 Speaker 1: and it was about it was for the black oscar 1124 00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:29,920 Speaker 1: contenders this year. Shout out to Ava and I'm going 1125 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,520 Speaker 1: to get like fifty shoutouts in this beach. So like 1126 00:52:32,640 --> 00:52:34,520 Speaker 1: we so we all have it and we're just talking 1127 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,759 Speaker 1: and we're dancing. Some people are dancing. That's what I like. 1128 00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:39,279 Speaker 2: I'm older. Yeah, No, I just think that, like like 1129 00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:41,239 Speaker 2: you said, like for me, i'd rather go to a 1130 00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,800 Speaker 2: bar or I'd rather the strip. Club is just like 1131 00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:46,759 Speaker 2: home to me. I feel like, what's your favorite movie 1132 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,799 Speaker 2: with an all black cast? With an all Black casts. 1133 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:51,520 Speaker 2: You can't see Friday, Friday. 1134 00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:57,759 Speaker 1: Cactus TEA fake answer is a fake answer, an answer alert, 1135 00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:01,000 Speaker 1: it's the true answer. It's nope, it's nope, it's too much. 1136 00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,560 Speaker 1: Who's your favorite rapper? Jay z Nah? I didn't say 1137 00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,680 Speaker 1: z No, But what I'm saying is nope. You can't 1138 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:06,280 Speaker 1: say Friday. 1139 00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:06,839 Speaker 2: You can't. 1140 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,000 Speaker 1: You gotta go. I'm challenging you to go deeper than that. 1141 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm challenging you go deeper than Friday. Would City of 1142 00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:19,400 Speaker 1: God count No, No, okay, I mean you wily motherfucker 1143 00:53:19,440 --> 00:53:22,840 Speaker 1: you maybe, but not really kind of but no, Moonnight. 1144 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,160 Speaker 1: I would say Moonlight. Now, now you're trying to be woke. 1145 00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:27,600 Speaker 1: Love moon Night. I love it too. 1146 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:29,640 Speaker 2: It's fucking perfect movie, great movie perfect. 1147 00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,719 Speaker 1: Try to get Charlotte to watch it. A perfect movie, 1148 00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:34,759 Speaker 1: perfect movie perfect. It's a perfect one. While I land better. 1149 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,600 Speaker 2: But like, yeah, I can't say. I can't. I can't 1150 00:53:37,600 --> 00:53:38,560 Speaker 2: watch anything with singing in it. 1151 00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,360 Speaker 1: Oh, you'll like musical. No, I can't do it. I 1152 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:41,759 Speaker 1: can't do it. 1153 00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:43,560 Speaker 2: My wife was telling me so last night we went 1154 00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,239 Speaker 2: her favorite musical. I don't know, fuck, probably fucking Little 1155 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,120 Speaker 2: mrmimad or some shit. Last night. 1156 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:49,520 Speaker 3: Uh. 1157 00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:52,360 Speaker 2: I went to the movies with my family. Her and 1158 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:54,719 Speaker 2: my other son that's ten, went sal Wonka. I went 1159 00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,719 Speaker 2: and saw Iron Claw with my eighteen year old. Yeah 1160 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,719 Speaker 2: that's look shit, it's a fucking say bad movie. Dude, 1161 00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:03,319 Speaker 2: keV like you wanted to bond with him. You wanted 1162 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:04,799 Speaker 2: him to know the meaning the family, which is why 1163 00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:06,759 Speaker 2: you see that, because that more not me and my 1164 00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:08,759 Speaker 2: son are hardcore wrestling fans as I am. 1165 00:54:08,760 --> 00:54:12,879 Speaker 1: I'm the number one voice in wrestling media. All right, Yeah, 1166 00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:15,719 Speaker 1: that's neude, I'm the number one voice in wrestling media. 1167 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,040 Speaker 1: That's not true. Go to my Twitter? Are you? 1168 00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,080 Speaker 2: Are you trolling Rosenberg? 1169 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:18,800 Speaker 1: Go to my Twitter? 1170 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:19,799 Speaker 2: Is that what it says? 1171 00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:22,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm the number one voice. I don't think I'm 1172 00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,400 Speaker 1: hip to why you're saying that. So is it like 1173 00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,080 Speaker 1: when Andrew schul said he was the number one voice 1174 00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:27,839 Speaker 1: in m M A media and was trolling the other 1175 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,480 Speaker 1: guy with the glasses. I don't know what you're talking 1176 00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:30,840 Speaker 1: about as far as that's controlled. 1177 00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,360 Speaker 2: But I didn't know that I. 1178 00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:38,120 Speaker 1: Am, And it's been discussed. This is not this is 1179 00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:41,359 Speaker 1: not me just saying this. I've been putting. I've been 1180 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,919 Speaker 1: put over. Who puts you over a couple of different people, 1181 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,439 Speaker 1: because you don't know that I've like I've been put over. 1182 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:47,759 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 1183 00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:49,439 Speaker 2: Do you watch wrestling? Those serious questions? 1184 00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:50,279 Speaker 1: I am over as fun? 1185 00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:51,319 Speaker 2: Do you actually watch though? 1186 00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,440 Speaker 1: No you don't. Of course I'll watched wrestling. 1187 00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,000 Speaker 2: Oh okay, of course I'll watch wrestling. Did you watch 1188 00:54:57,080 --> 00:54:59,640 Speaker 2: all last night? I haven't. I was at the movies. 1189 00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:01,600 Speaker 1: See what I'm saying. This is all I'm talking about 1190 00:55:01,600 --> 00:55:04,560 Speaker 1: when I'm talking about white people. You're asking me if 1191 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:06,839 Speaker 1: I watched wrestling last night? 1192 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:07,719 Speaker 2: What was I doing? 1193 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,560 Speaker 1: Watching fucking raw? I was watching But I was watching punk. 1194 00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,600 Speaker 1: And then you're gonna watch an Iron Claw and you're 1195 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,839 Speaker 1: gonna come back and you're gonna you didn't even watch 1196 00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,839 Speaker 1: Rare all last I watched iron Claw. You didn't even 1197 00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,960 Speaker 1: watch about the von Eriks. I watched Iron Claw about 1198 00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:24,279 Speaker 1: the Von Ricks. Yeah, what's your favorite? What's your favorite match? 1199 00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:28,120 Speaker 1: From Jimmy Superfly Snooker to what? You didn't answer it 1200 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:30,240 Speaker 1: because you don't know wrestling like I know wrestling. 1201 00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:31,319 Speaker 2: That's before my time. 1202 00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,600 Speaker 1: But I was just joking. I want to say, was it? 1203 00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:37,880 Speaker 2: No, it wasn't. Jimmy was Jimmy Superflies. I'm trying to 1204 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,319 Speaker 2: think what was WrestleMania. Was it two or three? Where 1205 00:55:40,600 --> 00:55:44,080 Speaker 2: fucking macho man. I don't think that was against Jimmy 1206 00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:45,040 Speaker 2: Super Superflies. 1207 00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:47,160 Speaker 1: You know, I'll be honest with you all, Jose, I'm 1208 00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:50,279 Speaker 1: not good at recounting, like individual matches that I love. 1209 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:51,640 Speaker 1: I have individual matches. 1210 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:51,759 Speaker 2: That I love. 1211 00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:53,520 Speaker 1: There are but to me, for me, there are certain 1212 00:55:53,600 --> 00:55:55,279 Speaker 1: matches that I do love. There's certain matches that I 1213 00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:58,040 Speaker 1: love too that I can fall out. But it's more storylines, 1214 00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:02,160 Speaker 1: it's more specific moments. It's he'll turns like my favorite 1215 00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,200 Speaker 1: wrestler run ins ten years. 1216 00:56:04,760 --> 00:56:06,800 Speaker 2: Uh, but this is before he passed. Everyone knew this. 1217 00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:09,279 Speaker 2: But I love Bray, you love who Bray Whitet. Bray 1218 00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:11,240 Speaker 2: White was my guy, dude. 1219 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:11,879 Speaker 1: He was my god. 1220 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:15,399 Speaker 2: Some reason I thought you said Ray and then no Bray. Yeah, 1221 00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:17,279 Speaker 2: Ray was that fucking dude. I felt like he was 1222 00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,520 Speaker 2: so mismanaged and he should have been the guy to 1223 00:56:19,560 --> 00:56:21,680 Speaker 2: be fucking Undertaker, not Brock the under thing. 1224 00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,239 Speaker 1: The other thing that that's tough about being the number 1225 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:27,960 Speaker 1: one voice of pro wrestling and being such a wrestling fan, 1226 00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:29,560 Speaker 1: it's such a hard life on the guys Man and 1227 00:56:29,600 --> 00:56:32,279 Speaker 1: the ladies. So you're like, it's going to be a 1228 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,600 Speaker 1: lot of tragedy. If you were a huge wrestling fan. 1229 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:37,520 Speaker 2: And watching did you watch Iron Call? I did that 1230 00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:42,600 Speaker 2: watching that movie, You're like, damn, like wrestling literally like destroyed. 1231 00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:45,480 Speaker 1: That's some different shiit. Like I won't shout out to 1232 00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:47,040 Speaker 1: Kevin von Eric and like at the end of the 1233 00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:50,279 Speaker 1: Iron Claw not to not to see a picture of 1234 00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,880 Speaker 1: his family, see a picture of his family. I couldn't 1235 00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:53,839 Speaker 1: have been happier for him. 1236 00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,560 Speaker 2: Me too, man, because the whole movie, you're just you 1237 00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:56,400 Speaker 2: just feel for him. 1238 00:56:56,440 --> 00:57:01,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do not want anyone to think it's not 1239 00:57:01,400 --> 00:57:02,800 Speaker 1: too far off though. I was gonna say that the 1240 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:06,880 Speaker 1: von Eric family represents the typical wrestling family is trajectory. 1241 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,360 Speaker 1: But I mean there's a lot of carnage and a 1242 00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:13,479 Speaker 1: lot of tragedy. But that is, man, God bless Kevin 1243 00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:13,919 Speaker 1: van Eeric. 1244 00:57:14,040 --> 00:57:17,040 Speaker 2: That is that next level, bro. 1245 00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:21,080 Speaker 1: That's insaying. Look, I've seen this before. I know in 1246 00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:23,640 Speaker 1: my own life. Right now, you know, all my dad, 1247 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,240 Speaker 1: my dad, and all his brothers passed away. My father 1248 00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,480 Speaker 1: like literally in the last fifteen years we lost all 1249 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:33,040 Speaker 1: of those guys, right, So my uncle Mark died then 1250 00:57:33,080 --> 00:57:35,680 Speaker 1: my dad died. Then my uncle Milton died. Excuse me, 1251 00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,280 Speaker 1: my uncle Mark died, My uncle Milton died, my dad died. 1252 00:57:38,200 --> 00:57:40,160 Speaker 2: My uncle Ray died. Nobody touched seventy, right. 1253 00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:42,240 Speaker 1: So the movie hit me in a different way at 1254 00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,560 Speaker 1: this time because I'm looking at it and I'm thinking 1255 00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:48,560 Speaker 1: about brotherhood bonds, a whole line of family. What it 1256 00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:50,560 Speaker 1: meant for my uncle Ray, who just passed away a 1257 00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:52,600 Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, to be the last of his 1258 00:57:52,800 --> 00:57:55,200 Speaker 1: brothers and to know that all of those guys are gone. 1259 00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:56,720 Speaker 1: You know, he didn't even make it a year and 1260 00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:58,520 Speaker 1: a half, two years after my father passed away. I'm 1261 00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:01,760 Speaker 1: not sure how much he wanted to be here after 1262 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:04,560 Speaker 1: all of that stuff. And like if you if you 1263 00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,200 Speaker 1: from bar Rouge or other places like that, you know 1264 00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:11,080 Speaker 1: situations where he didn't got killed, his brother didn't got killed, 1265 00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:12,880 Speaker 1: she did, his mom, and then got killed everybody. So 1266 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:16,400 Speaker 1: it's not like I don't know tragedy situations like that 1267 00:58:16,760 --> 00:58:18,120 Speaker 1: when it happened to them in the way that that 1268 00:58:18,200 --> 00:58:22,400 Speaker 1: happened to them. Just the bizarre, hyper tragic nature of 1269 00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:28,440 Speaker 1: all of it. It gives it this weird, almost spiritual 1270 00:58:28,600 --> 00:58:31,320 Speaker 1: through line. And you try to wonder when you're watching 1271 00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:35,040 Speaker 1: the movie or you're ingusting a story like that, you wonder, 1272 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,080 Speaker 1: like what's the point, Like what is like what what 1273 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:39,960 Speaker 1: did all of that tragedy mean? 1274 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,920 Speaker 2: There has to be a meaning for. 1275 00:58:42,040 --> 00:58:47,880 Speaker 1: Someone to lose one kid from uh uh getting electrocuted, 1276 00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:53,920 Speaker 1: another kid from uh suicide, another kid from suicide, another 1277 00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:59,320 Speaker 1: kid had gastro inter. I think three sons committed suicid. 1278 00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,440 Speaker 1: I think it was carry Michael and and the youngest one. 1279 00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:04,800 Speaker 1: So three suicides and then all that you have, you wonder, 1280 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,760 Speaker 1: you know, especially as they get older, even like Carrie, 1281 00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:11,120 Speaker 1: like losing his leg, well done the movie, Carrie losing 1282 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:15,880 Speaker 1: his just free accident after freak accident. It's just a crazy, crazy, crazy. 1283 00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:17,840 Speaker 2: Story, great movie that everybody should go check it. Zach 1284 00:59:17,880 --> 00:59:19,040 Speaker 2: Efron's fucking jacked. 1285 00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:23,120 Speaker 1: He's big, bro. What did he what? I want to know? 1286 00:59:23,240 --> 00:59:26,000 Speaker 2: Like, that's like committing to a role because he turned 1287 00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:31,720 Speaker 2: into like a fucking John Cena level yoked ass, fucking 1288 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,560 Speaker 2: big big. I mean, you know, I wanted to ask 1289 00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,919 Speaker 2: you because uh you obviously the shots of the Higher 1290 00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,040 Speaker 2: Learning podcast, But what's it like Working with a guy 1291 00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,720 Speaker 2: like Bill Simmons is great because I listened to the 1292 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,360 Speaker 2: Bill Simmons part. I've been listening for like ten years, 1293 00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:47,840 Speaker 2: so almost every almost literally almost every episode. 1294 00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:50,400 Speaker 1: So here's the thing. So imagine that you're a person 1295 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:52,920 Speaker 1: like myself, right, and you have all of these varied interests. 1296 00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:57,800 Speaker 1: You're probably the number one guy in terms of wrestling. 1297 00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,440 Speaker 2: Because you're you're unrewatchables a lot too now, but in history, yeah. 1298 01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,640 Speaker 1: I'm on you know, and but you love that. You 1299 01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,240 Speaker 1: love movies, you love sports, and you love politics, you 1300 01:00:06,320 --> 01:00:10,320 Speaker 1: love history. Uh, you are very invested into black culture. 1301 01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,120 Speaker 1: You have thoughts on so many different things, video games, 1302 01:00:14,320 --> 01:00:18,600 Speaker 1: and then there's one place that somebody knows how to 1303 01:00:19,240 --> 01:00:24,440 Speaker 1: give you the opportunity to uh express, develop and utilize 1304 01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:26,640 Speaker 1: those talents and those interests. It's not just about the 1305 01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:29,200 Speaker 1: fact that you're good at talking, because I think that 1306 01:00:29,320 --> 01:00:30,760 Speaker 1: if you talk enough, you'll get good at it, right, 1307 01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:34,120 Speaker 1: and if you get blind to the camera, then you'll 1308 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:34,600 Speaker 1: do your thing. 1309 01:00:35,480 --> 01:00:39,480 Speaker 2: Sorry, James Andre Jefferson Junior just finished the workout. We're 1310 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:44,600 Speaker 2: in a competition. I'm listening one place I'm listening. I'm 1311 01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:46,360 Speaker 2: listening to that now. 1312 01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:47,000 Speaker 1: I like my job. 1313 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:48,440 Speaker 2: Fucking No, go ahead and say you're gonna check your 1314 01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:50,400 Speaker 2: wife wile I'm doing my ship going. 1315 01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,720 Speaker 1: It's enough. That's enough. That's enough. That's on, that's on 1316 01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:54,760 Speaker 1: the that's on. McKinley, Hi, I'm not finishing that ship. 1317 01:00:55,280 --> 01:00:57,080 Speaker 2: Well, well, I gotta make sure. I always have to 1318 01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,920 Speaker 2: make sure it's not my kid or my wife. It's always. 1319 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,240 Speaker 1: But if your kid has an emergency right now, you're 1320 01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:05,840 Speaker 1: sitting down with the nigga who told Kanye Off, I 1321 01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,080 Speaker 1: think you got to make decisions. You know what I'm 1322 01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:12,040 Speaker 1: saying like that, that to me, That to me is disrespectful. Yeah, daddy, daddy, 1323 01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:14,880 Speaker 1: I need ice cream. Daddy, Daddy, I skinned my knee. Hey, 1324 01:01:15,080 --> 01:01:17,560 Speaker 1: your kid's name is Justin right? Hey, No, my kid's 1325 01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:20,240 Speaker 1: name is not Justin. Probably probably it's Aiden either. First 1326 01:01:20,240 --> 01:01:23,080 Speaker 1: of all, both my kids are mixed Justin or Aiden. 1327 01:01:23,680 --> 01:01:24,560 Speaker 1: See how close that is? 1328 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,000 Speaker 2: Aiden and Millennium nigga? 1329 01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:29,040 Speaker 1: What yeah Millennium. 1330 01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:32,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, my ten year old names is Millennium. 1331 01:01:32,800 --> 01:01:37,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, Millennium. Yeah. But then what I mean, there's gotta 1332 01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,280 Speaker 1: be a story. Uh. 1333 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:44,480 Speaker 2: So me and my wife Black Lady, No, she's Mexican, 1334 01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:47,640 Speaker 2: but my my son Millennium is So we met when 1335 01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:50,320 Speaker 2: he was three, So I have an eighteen year old 1336 01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:54,760 Speaker 2: from my previous relationship, right, who I've had custody of 1337 01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,440 Speaker 2: the whole time, me and my girl when we started dating. 1338 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:02,440 Speaker 2: Her son is three, but he's never met his dad. So, uh. 1339 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:07,480 Speaker 2: She was watching TV one day, uh, and there was 1340 01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:09,439 Speaker 2: like a Millennium Productions at the end of a TV 1341 01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,320 Speaker 2: show or something, and she was like, nobody else is 1342 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:13,800 Speaker 2: gonna name their kid this. I want a one of 1343 01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,840 Speaker 2: one name. She's right about that, So we call him 1344 01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:19,560 Speaker 2: Millie Millennium MILLI. Yeah, it's that really the hip hop 1345 01:02:19,600 --> 01:02:21,479 Speaker 2: shit again? A cat this T shirt a million million 1346 01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:23,880 Speaker 2: milli a Melli. No, but he's he's a what is 1347 01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:24,200 Speaker 2: he into? 1348 01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:24,760 Speaker 1: He wraps? 1349 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:29,120 Speaker 2: He plays basketball? Now he's he's Mexican Black and Puerto Rican. 1350 01:02:29,640 --> 01:02:32,520 Speaker 2: Oh man, Yeah, he about to be hell on these 1351 01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:33,160 Speaker 2: holes man. 1352 01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:35,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a crazy Now. 1353 01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:37,200 Speaker 2: He's a big he's a he's a big, big hooper. 1354 01:02:37,240 --> 01:02:39,000 Speaker 1: Though he does like what do he play? Like he 1355 01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:40,440 Speaker 1: played with Matt Kids or something like that. 1356 01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,280 Speaker 2: Uh, he's in this Burbank league and then he does 1357 01:02:43,320 --> 01:02:45,960 Speaker 2: this AAU tournament and sure, a thousand oaks. What are 1358 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:47,120 Speaker 2: you like as a basketball dad? 1359 01:02:47,160 --> 01:02:49,680 Speaker 1: Are you like? Let me let me pick up the 1360 01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,240 Speaker 1: bill Simons question real qick because I want to faix 1361 01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,800 Speaker 1: this so I enjoy working with the ringer. I enjoy 1362 01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,320 Speaker 1: working with the Ringer because I'll say this is last sense. 1363 01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:57,840 Speaker 1: It's one thing to go to a place where you're 1364 01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,440 Speaker 1: telling you. It's another place to work a place where 1365 01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:04,760 Speaker 1: your interests right, It's different, it's different. You're talent being 1366 01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:07,600 Speaker 1: utilized means hey, you're good at talking about something. We're 1367 01:03:07,640 --> 01:03:09,720 Speaker 1: gonna make you talk about this thing that you don't 1368 01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:13,960 Speaker 1: really care about that much so that you can do 1369 01:03:14,120 --> 01:03:15,800 Speaker 1: something for us, because we need you to feel a spot. 1370 01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:18,040 Speaker 2: Well, like for like rewatchables, do you like tell them like, Hey, 1371 01:03:18,040 --> 01:03:20,000 Speaker 2: if you ever do this movie, I want to be 1372 01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:21,160 Speaker 2: a ike. That's my ship. 1373 01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,480 Speaker 1: Not necessarily, but it'll it'll be a situation to where 1374 01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,280 Speaker 1: it's like, hey, h do you like this movie? 1375 01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:29,640 Speaker 2: Or you'll get a list of movies like hey, tell 1376 01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,400 Speaker 2: us which ones you like? Yeah, and then you tell 1377 01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,200 Speaker 2: what you watch what was fucking amazing. It's a great podcast. 1378 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:36,440 Speaker 2: Just think about it, so think about how pure it is. 1379 01:03:36,520 --> 01:03:39,160 Speaker 1: It's just a podcast about rewatching old movies and talk 1380 01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:43,000 Speaker 1: about talking about what the movie meant culturally, what you care, 1381 01:03:43,120 --> 01:03:45,360 Speaker 1: how much you care about the movie where you were 1382 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:46,040 Speaker 1: at the time. 1383 01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:47,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like, in terms of like any of my non 1384 01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:51,840 Speaker 2: hip hop like podcast listening, it's pretty much all Ringer 1385 01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:56,280 Speaker 2: Universe and Joe Rogan. Yeah, because I fucking love I 1386 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:59,760 Speaker 2: love the mismatch too with Verno and Kevin O'Connell my 1387 01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,800 Speaker 2: my NBA shit big Rogan guy. Huh Yeah, I like Rogan. 1388 01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:03,920 Speaker 1: What do you like about him? 1389 01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:07,880 Speaker 2: I just like the fact that, like anybody who comes 1390 01:04:08,160 --> 01:04:11,000 Speaker 2: like it's like he'll have a crazy conversation with like 1391 01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,760 Speaker 2: a comedian, and then I'll have another conversation with like 1392 01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:18,600 Speaker 2: some dude who's like self efficient setting up like farmland 1393 01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:21,560 Speaker 2: grid and then another guy who like talked about like 1394 01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:25,880 Speaker 2: fucking you know, uh, like like mapping out the. 1395 01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:27,960 Speaker 1: Old world, you know what I mean. 1396 01:04:28,440 --> 01:04:30,320 Speaker 2: I mean he did an interview with the with the 1397 01:04:30,360 --> 01:04:34,400 Speaker 2: guy who went and investigated the the the minds in Congo, 1398 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,240 Speaker 2: the cobalt mines in Congo. That was fucking crazy. That Like, 1399 01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:41,200 Speaker 2: I just feel like if you if Joe Rogan, there's enough. 1400 01:04:41,520 --> 01:04:45,640 Speaker 2: It's just such a vast range of conversations makes you 1401 01:04:45,800 --> 01:04:48,160 Speaker 2: gives you more tools in your intellectual tool thought. And 1402 01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:49,720 Speaker 2: I wouldn't even say that it's just kind of like 1403 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:52,280 Speaker 2: because I don't agree with everything that's said on the podcast. 1404 01:04:52,320 --> 01:04:53,600 Speaker 1: You know, like the nigger word. 1405 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,640 Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean, wait, you do agree with the 1406 01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:00,800 Speaker 2: nigger didn't say that? Well, see look at what this is. 1407 01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:02,560 Speaker 1: The way, this is the way. This is why you 1408 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,840 Speaker 1: gotta be careful because like you're you're you know what 1409 01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:10,480 Speaker 1: this this this is TM level. This is where yeah, 1410 01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:11,840 Speaker 1: well you think I learned that. This is where you 1411 01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:13,840 Speaker 1: gotta be. This is where you gotta be careful. This 1412 01:05:13,880 --> 01:05:15,880 Speaker 1: is way you gotta be careful because I could make that. 1413 01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:17,640 Speaker 1: I could that I could make that clip look a 1414 01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,200 Speaker 1: crazy way in my head, that's what I can make. 1415 01:05:20,120 --> 01:05:22,520 Speaker 2: That cool crazy Like, No, you can't make it look 1416 01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:23,040 Speaker 2: that crazy. 1417 01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,120 Speaker 1: Yes, again on Joe Rogan, like, I'm like, I'm like, 1418 01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:28,880 Speaker 1: like the nigger word, which is a joke, and you went, well, 1419 01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:31,880 Speaker 1: you said you don't agree with it. I don't agree 1420 01:05:31,920 --> 01:05:35,600 Speaker 1: with everything that, obviously, I'll like, well, like, no, obviously 1421 01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:37,640 Speaker 1: I don't agree with that. No, obviously I don't agree 1422 01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:39,040 Speaker 1: with you're trying to this is. 1423 01:05:39,040 --> 01:05:39,560 Speaker 2: What we're gonna do. 1424 01:05:39,600 --> 01:05:41,480 Speaker 1: What were your thought, Well, I'm gonna take this and 1425 01:05:41,520 --> 01:05:44,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna clip this and and try to ruin and 1426 01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:46,200 Speaker 1: then I'm gonna put it out there and I'm gonna 1427 01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do this whole thing in k fade I'm 1428 01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,720 Speaker 1: gonna do. I'm gonna do wrestling terms. I'm gonna do 1429 01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,200 Speaker 1: this whole thing. I'm gonna clip this piece of this 1430 01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:56,120 Speaker 1: of this interview I'm gonna put out there. I'm gonna 1431 01:05:56,120 --> 01:05:59,200 Speaker 1: put it on Twitter. He's gonna like, I'm gonna say 1432 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:04,400 Speaker 1: lead keV hesitates to answer whether or not I'm telling 1433 01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:06,640 Speaker 1: I'm teaching everybody right now how to cook a headline. 1434 01:06:06,680 --> 01:06:08,240 Speaker 1: You know what's the point and shoot, here you go. 1435 01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:10,320 Speaker 1: I'm teaching everybody right now how to cook a headline. 1436 01:06:10,680 --> 01:06:12,480 Speaker 1: This is how you cook a headline. When you're writing 1437 01:06:12,520 --> 01:06:14,320 Speaker 1: the headline, there are three things you need. Number One 1438 01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:22,520 Speaker 1: conflict like for example, uh, black iPhone on desk? No conflict? Right, 1439 01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:27,320 Speaker 1: How do you inject conflict into that headline about the 1440 01:06:27,400 --> 01:06:28,560 Speaker 1: black iPhone on the desk? 1441 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:34,720 Speaker 2: Device made by child slave labor. 1442 01:06:35,560 --> 01:06:40,600 Speaker 1: In China, left on desk. Now you have something that. 1443 01:06:40,760 --> 01:06:41,760 Speaker 2: Is it'll peak. 1444 01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,320 Speaker 1: You'll be like, oh, oh, what is this device that 1445 01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,880 Speaker 1: was made by child Let me see what is this? 1446 01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:50,600 Speaker 1: Why do we need children to make this device. What's 1447 01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:52,640 Speaker 1: the thing? What it is? That's the way you do 1448 01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,960 Speaker 1: that headline. One headline is I'm not gonna I don't 1449 01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:58,000 Speaker 1: care about the iPhone be on the desk, but something 1450 01:06:58,040 --> 01:07:00,680 Speaker 1: that kids slaves made. I care about that. Click on 1451 01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,640 Speaker 1: the headline. Okay, oh it's an iPhone. Fuck it's an iPhone, right, 1452 01:07:03,800 --> 01:07:07,360 Speaker 1: selective age right now, you're going there now. But by 1453 01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,680 Speaker 1: the time you get to the fact that it's an iPhone, 1454 01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,600 Speaker 1: got your bitch then clicked my ship. 1455 01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,840 Speaker 2: Aha, dummy, it was just about an iPhone that someone 1456 01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:19,360 Speaker 2: left under, did you? I mean? 1457 01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:25,640 Speaker 1: Is that me finished? Pleaset tea? Now we take we 1458 01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:31,800 Speaker 1: take you right? And I asked you a question. You 1459 01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:34,680 Speaker 1: balked at it. I'm not sure why if I cut 1460 01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:37,120 Speaker 1: it off right, if I cut it off, if I 1461 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:39,560 Speaker 1: cut it off right there, I don't. 1462 01:07:39,400 --> 01:07:39,800 Speaker 2: Have to lie. 1463 01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:43,440 Speaker 1: It's not a lie. I can do it two ways. 1464 01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:47,400 Speaker 1: I can either ask a question that incites conflict, which is, 1465 01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:49,720 Speaker 1: by the way, is this TMZ one on one? 1466 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1467 01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:54,560 Speaker 1: Okay, watch Bootleg? And there are people much better at 1468 01:07:54,600 --> 01:07:56,920 Speaker 1: it than I want. I was in terms of like 1469 01:07:57,560 --> 01:08:02,840 Speaker 1: headline writing, like much better right, watch Bootleg, Watch Bootleg. 1470 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:10,120 Speaker 1: keV hesitate when asked if he supports Joe Rogan's inWORD use. Now, 1471 01:08:10,200 --> 01:08:11,600 Speaker 1: you could do it that way, I wouldn't do that, 1472 01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:14,040 Speaker 1: because that's leading too much. It's actually not the type 1473 01:08:14,040 --> 01:08:14,720 Speaker 1: of headline. 1474 01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:14,760 Speaker 2: I will write. 1475 01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:20,800 Speaker 1: I will write, I will watch boot Bootleg keV. I'll 1476 01:08:20,800 --> 01:08:24,759 Speaker 1: probably put it in quotes, Bootleg keV on Joe Rogan's 1477 01:08:24,800 --> 01:08:29,560 Speaker 1: inWORD use well, and I'll put that in quote. And 1478 01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:30,880 Speaker 1: I will put that in quote. I will do like 1479 01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:32,519 Speaker 1: whatever you said, I will like. I would like I 1480 01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:34,720 Speaker 1: would put Bootleg keV because this because then I got 1481 01:08:34,800 --> 01:08:36,439 Speaker 1: this is what I want. What I want the headline 1482 01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:40,160 Speaker 1: number one audio. I don't want your name, God bless you. 1483 01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:43,120 Speaker 1: You know whose name? Who names? Whose name? Do I want? 1484 01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:46,719 Speaker 1: That's the name I want. So I want Joe Rogan's 1485 01:08:46,800 --> 01:08:49,120 Speaker 1: name in the headline. Okay, so I want Joe. I 1486 01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:51,439 Speaker 1: might even go I might even do this. I might 1487 01:08:51,479 --> 01:08:54,760 Speaker 1: even put above the headline. I might put Joe Rogan right, 1488 01:08:55,160 --> 01:09:01,280 Speaker 1: and then I might put uh uh podcast or Cactus 1489 01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:08,960 Speaker 1: t agrees or balks or hesitates when asked if he 1490 01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:14,280 Speaker 1: likes inward usage on Joe Rogan experience boom, We're going everywhere? Now, 1491 01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,600 Speaker 1: then this is what I'll do. Then I'll take the 1492 01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,240 Speaker 1: clip of Joe Rogan saying the in word over and 1493 01:09:19,320 --> 01:09:22,000 Speaker 1: over and over again. That's a subasset in the post 1494 01:09:22,080 --> 01:09:23,280 Speaker 1: that's at the bottom of the post. 1495 01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,920 Speaker 2: All right, really yeah, this is this sounds this sounds yeah, 1496 01:09:25,960 --> 01:09:27,680 Speaker 2: how I see it. This is how you do it. 1497 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,519 Speaker 1: Then as a subasset at the bottom of the post. 1498 01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:33,280 Speaker 1: And then I put tags and all throughout there. I 1499 01:09:33,320 --> 01:09:36,400 Speaker 1: got hyperlinks, I got, I got Rogan's apology in the post. 1500 01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:39,160 Speaker 1: I got Rogan saying the inward in the post. I 1501 01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:41,519 Speaker 1: got the whole nine. And then I leave off on. 1502 01:09:41,560 --> 01:09:46,320 Speaker 2: A question I'm wondering because you obviously worked at TMZ, 1503 01:09:46,520 --> 01:09:49,680 Speaker 2: right your I mean, you have one of the more 1504 01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:55,080 Speaker 2: famous moments ever. Was there ever anything you're a part 1505 01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:57,240 Speaker 2: of over there that you ever like regretted later on 1506 01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,160 Speaker 2: in terms of like maybe a particular story or like 1507 01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:03,680 Speaker 2: what you just told me you like that, like you 1508 01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:05,599 Speaker 2: just walked me through this whole thing, which was essentially 1509 01:10:05,680 --> 01:10:08,280 Speaker 2: your job. Was there ever anything you you look back 1510 01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:12,080 Speaker 2: on and you're like, like, damn that I was. 1511 01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:13,640 Speaker 1: A part of, that you were a part of, or 1512 01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:15,320 Speaker 1: is there plenty of things that happened at TMC that 1513 01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:17,479 Speaker 1: I was embarrassed about, not even just that you were 1514 01:10:17,479 --> 01:10:19,280 Speaker 1: at TMZ four, but like maybe it was a story 1515 01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:20,679 Speaker 1: you wrote that maybe you got wrong initials. 1516 01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:22,719 Speaker 2: You maybe felt you like it was an unfair approach 1517 01:10:22,760 --> 01:10:26,360 Speaker 2: to that person that after you got later context, you 1518 01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,120 Speaker 2: maybe you know, were like, fuck, don't see. 1519 01:10:30,240 --> 01:10:35,120 Speaker 1: Here's the thing about me. There is one time, and 1520 01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:38,960 Speaker 1: it's there's something that I learned from it. There was 1521 01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:43,760 Speaker 1: one time where I did this whole thing with a 1522 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:49,080 Speaker 1: porn star that I found out wasn't sleeping with Black talent, right, okay, 1523 01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:53,160 Speaker 1: and so and I named the porn star mmm, the 1524 01:10:53,240 --> 01:10:55,280 Speaker 1: way I would do that now, because it was it 1525 01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,840 Speaker 1: was kind of like, I'm just I'm on TV. It's early, 1526 01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:00,960 Speaker 1: and I'm reckless. I'm just Hey, I found out that 1527 01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:04,000 Speaker 1: this porn start that everyone likes doesn't sleep with black talent, 1528 01:11:04,680 --> 01:11:07,640 Speaker 1: and who is the porn start on camera? Well, if 1529 01:11:07,680 --> 01:11:10,400 Speaker 1: I do that now, it makes no sense. True. So 1530 01:11:10,840 --> 01:11:12,960 Speaker 1: if I found out that they didn't sleep with black talent, 1531 01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:17,400 Speaker 1: and so I asked a question about it, and they weren't, like, 1532 01:11:18,080 --> 01:11:21,479 Speaker 1: they weren't into porn. So the entire room, they don't 1533 01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:23,720 Speaker 1: really know what's going on, right, so they're like, oh 1534 01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:26,240 Speaker 1: my God, like, oh my god, blah blah blah. Harvey 1535 01:11:26,280 --> 01:11:28,479 Speaker 1: goes crazy, he loves the story. They put it up, 1536 01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:30,639 Speaker 1: They put her up there, they do the whole thing. Now, 1537 01:11:30,880 --> 01:11:34,120 Speaker 1: to me, is it a relevant conversation to have about 1538 01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:40,120 Speaker 1: racism and porn or why certain porn stars won't do 1539 01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:43,000 Speaker 1: scenes with black guys? Sure, is a relevant conversation, but 1540 01:11:43,120 --> 01:11:47,360 Speaker 1: it's such a wides widespread thing that's probably unfair to 1541 01:11:47,439 --> 01:11:49,599 Speaker 1: make one person the face of that, right, if you're 1542 01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:52,000 Speaker 1: going to talk about it the way you talk about 1543 01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,320 Speaker 1: it and not make one person the victim of a 1544 01:11:55,400 --> 01:11:58,160 Speaker 1: lot of vituall when that person might not necessarily be 1545 01:11:58,280 --> 01:12:02,680 Speaker 1: a racist. Is you just say hey, you ask the 1546 01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,160 Speaker 1: same question because I asked them by on the street. 1547 01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:05,920 Speaker 1: I said, hey, blah blah blah blah blah, doesn't do that. 1548 01:12:06,160 --> 01:12:09,080 Speaker 1: I name the person. You just say, hey, my favorite 1549 01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:11,320 Speaker 1: points are ports are alike or whatever whatever like that, 1550 01:12:11,439 --> 01:12:13,400 Speaker 1: and then you you have the same conversation. You get 1551 01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:16,880 Speaker 1: the same fears, but somebody doesn't have to bear the brunt. 1552 01:12:16,680 --> 01:12:19,799 Speaker 2: Of it because it's it's an industry wide It's. 1553 01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:21,519 Speaker 1: Not an industry wide thing. Only certain people do it, 1554 01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:23,240 Speaker 1: you know, not talking about just the racism and porn 1555 01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:25,640 Speaker 1: in general. Racism and porn is an industry wide thing. Now, 1556 01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:27,080 Speaker 1: I don't have any problem talking about that, and I 1557 01:12:27,080 --> 01:12:30,240 Speaker 1: don't have any problem asking somebody, Okay, well then what's 1558 01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:31,840 Speaker 1: the reason that you wouldn't work with black talent? 1559 01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:32,800 Speaker 2: What is that reason? 1560 01:12:32,840 --> 01:12:39,640 Speaker 1: Because there, it's that is it's it's such a fundamental, 1561 01:12:40,439 --> 01:12:43,479 Speaker 1: such a fundamentally troubling thing to me, Like okay, you're 1562 01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:45,200 Speaker 1: you'll do all of this. 1563 01:12:45,320 --> 01:12:45,960 Speaker 2: But like not that. 1564 01:12:46,800 --> 01:12:50,240 Speaker 1: I mean, later on I figured out that they've talked 1565 01:12:50,240 --> 01:12:52,080 Speaker 1: to enough people black and white, and they told me 1566 01:12:52,160 --> 01:12:53,640 Speaker 1: that they are just straight up business reasons for it. 1567 01:12:53,760 --> 01:12:55,479 Speaker 1: Whatever it's their industry. I'm not gonna get involved with it. 1568 01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:58,000 Speaker 1: They can fight their own battle. But what I'm saying 1569 01:12:58,120 --> 01:13:00,680 Speaker 1: is whatever it is, whatever it is, forget about it, 1570 01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:05,040 Speaker 1: whatever it is. What I have to do is be 1571 01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:08,519 Speaker 1: really intentional when I want someone to wear a problem, 1572 01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:11,080 Speaker 1: when I want to put a problem on somebody, when 1573 01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:14,040 Speaker 1: you're on television, when you have a microphone in front 1574 01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:17,519 Speaker 1: of you, you have to be super intentionally, super intentional 1575 01:13:17,640 --> 01:13:21,080 Speaker 1: when you call somebody out, because when you call somebody out, 1576 01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:23,920 Speaker 1: you make them the issue that you're talking about and 1577 01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:26,679 Speaker 1: they have to have earned that to such a degree 1578 01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:30,560 Speaker 1: that you have to be so sure about that, or 1579 01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:32,840 Speaker 1: else you just don't care about your own responsibility. That's 1580 01:13:32,880 --> 01:13:34,800 Speaker 1: something that I regretted or something that I learned to 1581 01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,679 Speaker 1: do differently. As far as stories that I might have broken, 1582 01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,360 Speaker 1: to be honest with you, not really, and I'll tell 1583 01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:44,120 Speaker 1: you why. The stories that I was involved with, they 1584 01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:48,639 Speaker 1: weren't that big a deal. Like my job at TMZ. 1585 01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:51,320 Speaker 1: I wrote a lot of stories. But my job at TMZ, 1586 01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:56,640 Speaker 1: especially after the first couple of years, because you know, 1587 01:13:56,880 --> 01:13:58,920 Speaker 1: I was on the street. Well you started with like 1588 01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:00,800 Speaker 1: the tourist, I was on the team, and then I 1589 01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:05,840 Speaker 1: was on the street right with the camera. Sometimes those 1590 01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:08,639 Speaker 1: interactions I would regret, just like running up on somebody 1591 01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:14,600 Speaker 1: like yeah, and it's because I'm from the South. And 1592 01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:16,439 Speaker 1: for the most part, that job was fun. And for 1593 01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:19,120 Speaker 1: the most part, for the most part, celebrities in Los 1594 01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:21,559 Speaker 1: Angeles they know the do. They're cool, they're cool, they're 1595 01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,720 Speaker 1: they're down to have a good time. But every once 1596 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:26,560 Speaker 1: in a while, you put the camera on somebody and 1597 01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,240 Speaker 1: you look and they'd have that look of I'm really 1598 01:14:30,320 --> 01:14:33,080 Speaker 1: having a fucked up day, Like something's going on with me, 1599 01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,400 Speaker 1: like something's happening, or you put your camera on somebody 1600 01:14:36,439 --> 01:14:38,720 Speaker 1: and they would be like, I know, crying, or they 1601 01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:40,479 Speaker 1: would be sad, or you know, they're. 1602 01:14:40,320 --> 01:14:44,040 Speaker 2: With their kids. Was there a specific instance you can recall? 1603 01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:48,559 Speaker 1: Not really, not a specific one that I can recall. 1604 01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:50,559 Speaker 1: You know, of course you would have people get mad 1605 01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:55,000 Speaker 1: at you, but uh not one where I felt that 1606 01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,200 Speaker 1: I can recall that I felt really really bad about. 1607 01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:02,479 Speaker 1: But I just know that it was like there were 1608 01:15:02,600 --> 01:15:04,720 Speaker 1: certain times to where I was like, I ain't not 1609 01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:05,719 Speaker 1: fucking feeling this today. 1610 01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:08,639 Speaker 2: The paparazzi game is such an interesting one. I always 1611 01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:11,479 Speaker 2: have been like super intrigued by it. Like I watched 1612 01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:14,040 Speaker 2: did you ever see the Netflix show? It was only 1613 01:15:14,120 --> 01:15:17,160 Speaker 2: one season where they like the ambulance chasers who they 1614 01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,200 Speaker 2: go and they get the footage on like accidents and 1615 01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:20,920 Speaker 2: then they sell it to like the news stations and 1616 01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:23,920 Speaker 2: stuff like that. Yeah, crazy show. I forget what it 1617 01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:24,320 Speaker 2: was called. 1618 01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:24,599 Speaker 1: So good. 1619 01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,080 Speaker 2: It was actually like a Netflix original. But like on 1620 01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,880 Speaker 2: the paparazzi side, it's like someone's gonna do that job, right, 1621 01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:34,479 Speaker 2: Those people like have to, I mean, if that's their profession, 1622 01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:36,880 Speaker 2: Like I'm sure paparazzi have kids, they have families, They 1623 01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:40,519 Speaker 2: got to support themselves. Was it like, are there like 1624 01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:43,000 Speaker 2: people who have just been doing this job because it 1625 01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:45,800 Speaker 2: feels like a means to doing something else if you're 1626 01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:48,679 Speaker 2: doing that job, or there are people who like they're 1627 01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:49,599 Speaker 2: thirty years. 1628 01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:50,800 Speaker 1: They've been doing it for a long time, but doing 1629 01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,280 Speaker 1: it as long as they can do it for right, 1630 01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:55,040 Speaker 1: because there's always somebody new, and. 1631 01:15:56,560 --> 01:15:58,080 Speaker 2: Because I think that, like the guys who get like 1632 01:15:58,160 --> 01:16:00,920 Speaker 2: the real private photos and I'm like, damn, so let 1633 01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:05,240 Speaker 2: me tell you something about that or anything this. 1634 01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:08,439 Speaker 1: There are very few jobs, any type of job that 1635 01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:12,840 Speaker 1: you can do that are completely devoid of integrity. Like 1636 01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,880 Speaker 1: drug dealing is bad. We act like it's not, but 1637 01:16:16,120 --> 01:16:16,320 Speaker 1: it is. 1638 01:16:16,360 --> 01:16:17,000 Speaker 2: Oh, it's terrible. 1639 01:16:17,120 --> 01:16:20,880 Speaker 1: Drug dealing is bad. Right, there are levels to drug dealers. 1640 01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:25,560 Speaker 1: There's a way to do drug dealing, to deal drugs. 1641 01:16:25,320 --> 01:16:27,080 Speaker 2: And we're talking about serious drugs here, talking about. 1642 01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:30,719 Speaker 1: Serious yes, Like there are a way to deal drugs 1643 01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:35,720 Speaker 1: to do less harm than somebody else. Like hey, I 1644 01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:38,080 Speaker 1: won't deal drugs to a seven year old kid. I 1645 01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:40,760 Speaker 1: won't deal drugs to a pregnant lady. I won't deal 1646 01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:42,960 Speaker 1: drugs Like there are ways to do that. Now, it's 1647 01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:45,160 Speaker 1: all bad, right, but there are ways to even do 1648 01:16:45,360 --> 01:16:47,920 Speaker 1: that with integrity. Right. So, if you look at being 1649 01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:51,400 Speaker 1: a paparazzi as an inherently bad thing, which once again, 1650 01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,320 Speaker 1: it's part of a celebrity ecosystem, it's really not any 1651 01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:58,080 Speaker 1: different than anything else. Like your famous. Part of being 1652 01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:02,439 Speaker 1: famous is leveraging and people take your picture. It's part 1653 01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:08,960 Speaker 1: of a celebrity ecosystem. In and of itself is not bad. However, 1654 01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:14,800 Speaker 1: the nature of the job sometimes can lend itself to 1655 01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:19,200 Speaker 1: being hyper competitive. And when it's hyper competitive, then that 1656 01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:22,200 Speaker 1: means that the humanity of the subjects on the other 1657 01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:23,600 Speaker 1: side of the camera. 1658 01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,400 Speaker 2: Are not being taken into consideration. 1659 01:17:27,120 --> 01:17:29,479 Speaker 1: So if it's and the same thing about anything else, 1660 01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,880 Speaker 1: it's I gotta be first. I gotta get the picture. 1661 01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,320 Speaker 1: I gotta get the racist photo. So I'll stick my 1662 01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:40,679 Speaker 1: camera up your dress. So I'll doorstep you, which means 1663 01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:42,320 Speaker 1: I'll be outside of your house waiting for you to 1664 01:17:42,360 --> 01:17:44,639 Speaker 1: come outside your house. Don't know what's gonna come outside 1665 01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:49,600 Speaker 1: your house. Doorstepping people, which Timz didn't do. I'll incite you. 1666 01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,240 Speaker 1: I'll put the camera in your face and ask you 1667 01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:54,320 Speaker 1: about your friend who died to try to get you 1668 01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,080 Speaker 1: to cry or try to make you mad, because that 1669 01:17:56,120 --> 01:18:00,000 Speaker 1: picture is gonna go everywhere because once it gets hyper competitive, 1670 01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,680 Speaker 1: if and the capitalism gets involved, then that makes you 1671 01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,320 Speaker 1: look at the person as you're a big game hunter. 1672 01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,519 Speaker 1: Now you're not a photographer anymore. Now you're trying to 1673 01:18:07,560 --> 01:18:07,880 Speaker 1: get something. 1674 01:18:07,960 --> 01:18:09,559 Speaker 2: You're trying to get something to sell to a site. 1675 01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,800 Speaker 1: Right, So there's to if you're a freelancer, if you're TMZ, 1676 01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,000 Speaker 1: you work for TMZ, right, you got to abide by 1677 01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,960 Speaker 1: their rules, right, And like the way it's supposed to 1678 01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,040 Speaker 1: be at TMZ is if you pick your camera up 1679 01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:21,720 Speaker 1: someone says, hey, I'm not into it, you shut your 1680 01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,479 Speaker 1: camera down, right to be respectful. Right, it's more of 1681 01:18:24,520 --> 01:18:27,200 Speaker 1: an on the street interview than it is actually just 1682 01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:30,720 Speaker 1: snapping pictures. That is not to separate what TMZ paparazzi 1683 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:34,280 Speaker 1: are doing from anybody else. I was on the street 1684 01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:37,080 Speaker 1: with a lot of different guys and most of them 1685 01:18:37,160 --> 01:18:40,960 Speaker 1: are cool, Like most of them are cool, But then 1686 01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:44,600 Speaker 1: you have some guys that don't give a fuck that 1687 01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:46,600 Speaker 1: are going to get the shot. However, they're going to 1688 01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,640 Speaker 1: get the shot, and if they have to follow you 1689 01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:50,360 Speaker 1: for a little while. If they have to wait outside 1690 01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,400 Speaker 1: your kids' school, if they have to do all of 1691 01:18:52,439 --> 01:18:54,360 Speaker 1: that stuff, they're gonna get it. And so what I'm 1692 01:18:54,400 --> 01:18:57,280 Speaker 1: saying is that's not indicative of the industry per se. 1693 01:18:57,840 --> 01:19:01,160 Speaker 1: To me, it's indicative of what that person is willing 1694 01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:03,040 Speaker 1: to do to get an extra buck or to succeed. 1695 01:19:04,160 --> 01:19:07,640 Speaker 2: That's yeah. I think it's just like, you know, I 1696 01:19:08,360 --> 01:19:10,320 Speaker 2: feel like living here, you kind of see it a 1697 01:19:10,360 --> 01:19:13,600 Speaker 2: little differently because, like you said, like you'll talk to 1698 01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:17,240 Speaker 2: people and they'll they'll like management will call and be like, Yo, 1699 01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:21,519 Speaker 2: my client's leaving this restaurant at this time. 1700 01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:23,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean that's a lot of it. 1701 01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:25,519 Speaker 2: A lot of it is that though, like a lot 1702 01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:27,439 Speaker 2: like for people who don't know, like like like or 1703 01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:29,320 Speaker 2: the artists don't even do it right, Oh my god, 1704 01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,400 Speaker 2: bro or the artist or the actor or whatever because 1705 01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:32,799 Speaker 2: they want to put their narrative. 1706 01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, I give you example. Oh I don't want to 1707 01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:38,280 Speaker 1: say names, but there was an R and B singer 1708 01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,120 Speaker 1: who was a pretty big R and B singer at 1709 01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:42,960 Speaker 1: one time, and I knew through a friend of mine, 1710 01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:47,519 Speaker 1: and you know, it was at the Saddle Ranch in 1711 01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:51,000 Speaker 1: this big fancy car and we had. We were the 1712 01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,920 Speaker 1: three of us were eating at the Saldar Range. Right, 1713 01:19:52,920 --> 01:19:55,160 Speaker 1: We're hanging out eating at the Saddle Ranch. And I 1714 01:19:55,280 --> 01:19:57,960 Speaker 1: was like, when you leave here, you prophasee you on 1715 01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,439 Speaker 1: the lower or whatever. And he goes, no, it's not 1716 01:20:00,520 --> 01:20:01,840 Speaker 1: at all. I'm like, okay, well, I'm gonna send the 1717 01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:04,040 Speaker 1: camera to you. I was like, as a matter of fact, 1718 01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:05,559 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna send the camera to you. I got 1719 01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:06,960 Speaker 1: my camera in the car. I'm just gonna shoot you 1720 01:20:07,400 --> 01:20:10,080 Speaker 1: and we're gonna do a little thing for TMZ. And 1721 01:20:10,200 --> 01:20:14,240 Speaker 1: so car pulls out like a big Red Bentley or 1722 01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:20,800 Speaker 1: something like that, right, recognizable, guy had hits And I 1723 01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:22,559 Speaker 1: pulled a camera out. When I pulled a camera out 1724 01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:26,320 Speaker 1: and I start shooting him inside of his car, everybody 1725 01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:28,639 Speaker 1: starts coming around. Everybody's like, oh. 1726 01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:29,519 Speaker 2: My god, who is that? 1727 01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:32,600 Speaker 1: And they know his face, like they probably wouldn't have 1728 01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:34,760 Speaker 1: bothered him any other time, but they know it's face. 1729 01:20:35,240 --> 01:20:38,040 Speaker 1: So everybody's going to Man, I get in my shit 1730 01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:41,240 Speaker 1: and I'm going back to the office, and I get 1731 01:20:41,320 --> 01:20:44,640 Speaker 1: a call. Bro that fucking shit was crazy. Man. We 1732 01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:47,880 Speaker 1: oughtna do that all the time. Bruh. I needed that, Broh, 1733 01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,080 Speaker 1: Like I fucking needed that. Man, We should do that 1734 01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,240 Speaker 1: all the time. And now you have somebody that wants 1735 01:20:53,320 --> 01:20:55,560 Speaker 1: to get shots. You have people that want that you 1736 01:20:56,439 --> 01:20:59,599 Speaker 1: that uh that want you to shoot them. That's a contact, 1737 01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:03,160 Speaker 1: that's one that if they are ever involved in a story. 1738 01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:03,800 Speaker 2: You could hit them. 1739 01:21:03,960 --> 01:21:06,360 Speaker 1: Now that you have that relationship, or if someone tangential 1740 01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:09,000 Speaker 1: to them is ever involved into a story with the story, 1741 01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:12,160 Speaker 1: now you have that relationship. So there is not for 1742 01:21:12,280 --> 01:21:15,599 Speaker 1: the most part, at least while I was that they're 1743 01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:20,840 Speaker 1: an adversarial relationship between TMZ and the celebrity at large, 1744 01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:23,920 Speaker 1: most of the celebrities dig it. I don't know how 1745 01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:26,200 Speaker 1: it is now things have changed a little course, but 1746 01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,479 Speaker 1: most celebrities dug it to me most and if they 1747 01:21:29,479 --> 01:21:31,160 Speaker 1: didn't dig it, they didn't have a problem with They 1748 01:21:31,240 --> 01:21:34,160 Speaker 1: got it right. Then there are some who just can't 1749 01:21:34,200 --> 01:21:38,920 Speaker 1: fucking stand it, like ig Iggy mel Gibson, the fucking 1750 01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:47,080 Speaker 1: The like owner Luke Wilson don't fuck with it, Like 1751 01:21:47,160 --> 01:21:48,840 Speaker 1: a lot of people like that don't fuck with it. 1752 01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:50,599 Speaker 1: And if I ever saw if I saw a black 1753 01:21:50,640 --> 01:21:53,200 Speaker 1: celebrity and they were in a situation to where like 1754 01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:58,839 Speaker 1: I remember one time I saw I saw Golden Brooks, 1755 01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:01,880 Speaker 1: he's sweet lady. And she was eating. She was at 1756 01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,800 Speaker 1: She was actually with Regina King. They were they were eating. 1757 01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:06,600 Speaker 2: This is years of. 1758 01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:08,880 Speaker 1: Watchman season two. Please find no, not Regina King. She 1759 01:22:08,920 --> 01:22:12,080 Speaker 1: was with Regina Hall. She was with She was with 1760 01:22:12,200 --> 01:22:15,680 Speaker 1: Regina Hall and they were eating at on sunset. And 1761 01:22:15,760 --> 01:22:17,880 Speaker 1: I remember I was walking around with my camera and 1762 01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:22,479 Speaker 1: I asked them two black women. I'm not trying to ask. Yeah, 1763 01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:24,439 Speaker 1: they were eating. I asked them, like, after you guys done, 1764 01:22:24,840 --> 01:22:27,040 Speaker 1: do you want to do a shop? And they went, no, 1765 01:22:27,560 --> 01:22:27,800 Speaker 1: move on. 1766 01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,800 Speaker 2: How to be deal? Somebody else will be around, you know. 1767 01:22:31,120 --> 01:22:34,040 Speaker 2: But it's just all of that stuff. Once again, it's 1768 01:22:34,120 --> 01:22:35,280 Speaker 2: part of an ecosystem. 1769 01:22:35,320 --> 01:22:38,200 Speaker 1: What I will say about TMZ is this, there's a 1770 01:22:38,280 --> 01:22:43,160 Speaker 1: lot of criticism that TMZ gets right from all all 1771 01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:46,439 Speaker 1: kinds of people. You get criticism for team from from TMZ. 1772 01:22:46,600 --> 01:22:48,240 Speaker 1: People will tell you you worked there, you did this, 1773 01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,240 Speaker 1: and you did that, all that stuff. People hate TMZ. 1774 01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:50,680 Speaker 1: They hate it. 1775 01:22:51,960 --> 01:22:56,240 Speaker 2: Everybody is TMZ true, like everyone is TMZ. Guess what 1776 01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:57,680 Speaker 2: when you see that famous person, what do you do? 1777 01:22:59,120 --> 01:23:03,040 Speaker 1: I mean that in two ways. Number One, when people 1778 01:23:03,200 --> 01:23:05,800 Speaker 1: know that you work there, it doesn't matter where you 1779 01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:09,400 Speaker 1: go you go sit down at the nicest restaurant in La. 1780 01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,519 Speaker 1: I'm in La. I mean, I'm at a cut I 1781 01:23:12,640 --> 01:23:15,679 Speaker 1: sit down, somebody comes over, they know me from the show. Hey, 1782 01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:17,280 Speaker 1: just let you know Tom Hanks is going to be 1783 01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:18,519 Speaker 1: here in a little bit. You know what I'm saying. 1784 01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:22,479 Speaker 1: Like the valets, everyone everyone wants to be a part 1785 01:23:22,479 --> 01:23:24,479 Speaker 1: of it. That's what do you tip them? Yeah, if 1786 01:23:24,479 --> 01:23:26,040 Speaker 1: they give you a good they give you a good tip. 1787 01:23:26,120 --> 01:23:32,120 Speaker 1: Yeah I would. And the other part of it is this, 1788 01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:39,719 Speaker 1: if you are an outlet or you are a radio station, 1789 01:23:41,560 --> 01:23:47,479 Speaker 1: your blog or whatever, and you repurpose a TMZ story, 1790 01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:53,680 Speaker 1: meaning you report on what they reported, you give the 1791 01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:57,639 Speaker 1: information that they got your TMZ. Yeah, I mean I've 1792 01:23:57,760 --> 01:24:02,320 Speaker 1: used You're like, what they want more than anything is 1793 01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,280 Speaker 1: for other people to pick up the things. Well, I 1794 01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:07,280 Speaker 1: also think and so and so. My thing is I've 1795 01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,280 Speaker 1: had there have been so many places where even when 1796 01:24:09,320 --> 01:24:11,640 Speaker 1: I was working there and even after that, I've been criticized. Right, 1797 01:24:12,080 --> 01:24:15,240 Speaker 1: and then I hear them say, according to TMZ, this 1798 01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:18,960 Speaker 1: and this and happen. If that's like, you can't have 1799 01:24:19,160 --> 01:24:22,120 Speaker 1: that both ways. If a place is too fucked up 1800 01:24:22,200 --> 01:24:24,519 Speaker 1: for you, either you're gonna say this place has to 1801 01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:26,439 Speaker 1: exist and you want them to be better or you're 1802 01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,080 Speaker 1: not gonna fuck with them. And then on top of 1803 01:24:28,160 --> 01:24:31,720 Speaker 1: that most of these other celebrities. I've had celebrities or 1804 01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:35,720 Speaker 1: people that I know directly criticize TMZ and what they've done, 1805 01:24:36,120 --> 01:24:37,840 Speaker 1: and then I'll see them when they have something to 1806 01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:40,680 Speaker 1: promote on TMZ live. You can't do it that way. 1807 01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you're gonna shoo on TMZ, but then 1808 01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:43,760 Speaker 2: when you when you need. 1809 01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:47,040 Speaker 1: Which, by the way, when I was there, there were 1810 01:24:47,200 --> 01:24:52,920 Speaker 1: times where the website wasn't a little irresponsible, it was 1811 01:24:53,200 --> 01:25:00,679 Speaker 1: insanely irresponsible, downright racist, sexist, insensitive, the whole nine. When 1812 01:25:00,680 --> 01:25:07,559 Speaker 1: I was there, there was an attack an attachment post 1813 01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,880 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen to Donald Trump that TMZ did a lot 1814 01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:13,839 Speaker 1: of his bidding. I'm not all caping for the organization, 1815 01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:16,640 Speaker 1: but what I'm saying is with some place like that 1816 01:25:17,320 --> 01:25:21,559 Speaker 1: that thrives on attention the sharing of stories, it's. 1817 01:25:21,479 --> 01:25:23,320 Speaker 2: Kind of like the Vlad thing, right, It's like people 1818 01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:25,559 Speaker 2: talk about Vlad, but then they're going to show when 1819 01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:27,080 Speaker 2: they have to promote their album or they need some 1820 01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:28,200 Speaker 2: clout or wash. 1821 01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,160 Speaker 1: The reality is it's a massive platform it's a huge platform, 1822 01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,240 Speaker 1: so and so people, and I don't want to compare 1823 01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:35,080 Speaker 1: with ladin TMZ because that I don't want to do 1824 01:25:35,160 --> 01:25:40,120 Speaker 1: that because you know, look, there's nothing inherently wrong with TMZ. 1825 01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:43,240 Speaker 1: There's actually actually inherently wrong with what laders doing. Ladders 1826 01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:47,560 Speaker 1: doing interviews, TMZ is doing celebrity news. The reality is, 1827 01:25:48,280 --> 01:25:51,600 Speaker 1: if you have a problem with it, if you have 1828 01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:55,600 Speaker 1: a problem with it, the only way to do the 1829 01:25:55,720 --> 01:25:59,480 Speaker 1: only way to really affect that problem is to not conticipate. 1830 01:25:59,600 --> 01:26:01,560 Speaker 2: Don't assume that's the only thing you can do. 1831 01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:06,360 Speaker 1: And the reality is is that the influence on the 1832 01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:10,719 Speaker 1: the website and the platform on culture is too strong 1833 01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:12,599 Speaker 1: for anyone to really do that. The way I look 1834 01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:14,160 Speaker 1: at most people, some people with. 1835 01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:20,360 Speaker 2: TMZ is like they've been right, like almost I feel 1836 01:26:20,360 --> 01:26:22,439 Speaker 2: like that, you know, when they're not right, they update 1837 01:26:22,479 --> 01:26:24,439 Speaker 2: the story in such a real time that it's like very. 1838 01:26:24,360 --> 01:26:25,839 Speaker 1: Few times they're going to be inaccurate. 1839 01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is I mean, as a radio personality, 1840 01:26:29,880 --> 01:26:31,439 Speaker 2: always like yo, this check TMZ. 1841 01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:34,080 Speaker 1: But I give an example. People said that TMZ was 1842 01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:37,240 Speaker 1: inaccurate on the Lil Wayne story. Remember that, do you. 1843 01:26:37,240 --> 01:26:39,200 Speaker 2: Remember the story? Was it when he was it when 1844 01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:39,880 Speaker 2: he got arrested. 1845 01:26:40,040 --> 01:26:42,519 Speaker 1: All right, So I'm gonna I'm gonna do another tmz 1846 01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:45,439 Speaker 1: uh No, it wasn't when he was arrested. When he 1847 01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:46,080 Speaker 1: was sick. 1848 01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:50,960 Speaker 2: Oh, yes, yes, when he was having his seizures. Yes, 1849 01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:53,600 Speaker 2: I remember that. 1850 01:26:55,400 --> 01:26:56,600 Speaker 1: This is one of the times that I caught some 1851 01:26:56,680 --> 01:27:04,920 Speaker 1: of the most hell. Okay, all right. So March twenty 1852 01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:06,880 Speaker 1: thirteen TIMS, he reported that Lil Wayne was in a 1853 01:27:06,920 --> 01:27:10,360 Speaker 1: coma and received his last rights at Seius and Hospital. 1854 01:27:10,439 --> 01:27:15,120 Speaker 1: I remember this in Los Angeles. Okay, So let's look 1855 01:27:15,320 --> 01:27:18,360 Speaker 1: at I'm gonna give I'm gonna give everyone right now 1856 01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:23,639 Speaker 1: another little lesson because here's the story right now, let's 1857 01:27:23,680 --> 01:27:26,560 Speaker 1: look at it. So it's been updated a bunch of 1858 01:27:26,640 --> 01:27:27,320 Speaker 1: times right now. 1859 01:27:28,520 --> 01:27:31,000 Speaker 2: But you originally wrote this story. 1860 01:27:31,040 --> 01:27:32,560 Speaker 1: No, I didn't have anything to do with it. I was, 1861 01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:35,040 Speaker 1: I was. I was on the street at this time. 1862 01:27:35,040 --> 01:27:35,280 Speaker 2: Okay. 1863 01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:37,519 Speaker 1: So it says it says Lou Wayne is in ICU 1864 01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:41,160 Speaker 1: critical condition after suffering yet another seizure. Where told it 1865 01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:43,439 Speaker 1: doesn't look good, teams, he has learned. We brought the story. 1866 01:27:43,479 --> 01:27:45,040 Speaker 1: Three year oldrapper was rushed to see a sign in 1867 01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:47,840 Speaker 1: the hospital. First of all, prays up for Wayne glad 1868 01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:49,680 Speaker 1: that Wayne is happy, healthy and doing of course, of 1869 01:27:49,720 --> 01:27:51,360 Speaker 1: course he's using this as example. This is one of 1870 01:27:51,400 --> 01:27:55,040 Speaker 1: the things. So all of this stuff that is being 1871 01:27:55,080 --> 01:28:01,040 Speaker 1: a legend here is being confirmed through sources. So someone 1872 01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:05,839 Speaker 1: is telling someone this, right, Okay, someone is telling someone 1873 01:28:05,960 --> 01:28:08,640 Speaker 1: that this is what is going on. Okay, So let 1874 01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:12,080 Speaker 1: me tell you what a lie is journalistically here is 1875 01:28:12,160 --> 01:28:15,000 Speaker 1: that that person isn't telling us that if we're making 1876 01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:19,080 Speaker 1: that up right now, So when they say Lil Wayne 1877 01:28:19,120 --> 01:28:23,439 Speaker 1: is in critical condition and he's being read his last run, no, no, no. 1878 01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,800 Speaker 1: If a source says that and then it is put 1879 01:28:26,880 --> 01:28:30,720 Speaker 1: up on TMZ and it's attributed to sources, then that 1880 01:28:30,840 --> 01:28:33,880 Speaker 1: story is legit. Right. If the source said it, the 1881 01:28:33,960 --> 01:28:37,680 Speaker 1: source said that, then the story is legit. Now if 1882 01:28:38,560 --> 01:28:41,439 Speaker 1: loul Wayne pulls through, the source said that, hey, it 1883 01:28:41,479 --> 01:28:46,080 Speaker 1: doesn't look good, that's that person's objective interpretation. 1884 01:28:46,400 --> 01:28:47,040 Speaker 2: Doesn't look good. 1885 01:28:47,160 --> 01:28:50,879 Speaker 1: Somebody came in like they're preparing for something objective opinion. 1886 01:28:51,200 --> 01:28:53,160 Speaker 1: Now Lil Wayne rebounded. 1887 01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:56,320 Speaker 2: And the whole world went. The whole world. 1888 01:28:56,120 --> 01:28:58,679 Speaker 1: Went TMZ lit. It was never that big of a deal. 1889 01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:02,400 Speaker 1: If people an example of something, you're married, I'm not 1890 01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:04,160 Speaker 1: calling this on your marriage I'm just using this as 1891 01:29:04,200 --> 01:29:08,719 Speaker 1: an example. If you have brothers or sisters, one sister, 1892 01:29:08,920 --> 01:29:11,920 Speaker 1: that one sister. If I walk into a restaurant right 1893 01:29:11,960 --> 01:29:15,439 Speaker 1: now and someone says, if I'm on the basketball court 1894 01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:19,960 Speaker 1: and someone that I've never met before says, hey, you 1895 01:29:20,040 --> 01:29:21,719 Speaker 1: know bout Let Cav, I saw you on this podcast, 1896 01:29:22,320 --> 01:29:24,360 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, it's like, Bullet cav is getting a divorce, 1897 01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,960 Speaker 1: not blue Let CaMV is not getting a divorce. God 1898 01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:30,880 Speaker 1: protect this marriage, he says, blue Let cav is getting 1899 01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:35,320 Speaker 1: a divorce. If I run to the website and put 1900 01:29:35,400 --> 01:29:38,840 Speaker 1: that up on the website, that's an irresponsible story. 1901 01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:40,479 Speaker 2: Because who's your source, who's my source? 1902 01:29:41,120 --> 01:29:43,880 Speaker 1: You have a sister, My sister tells you, If your 1903 01:29:44,120 --> 01:29:48,800 Speaker 1: sister tells me, if your sister tells. 1904 01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:50,760 Speaker 2: Me, then then it's like, well that's that's that's the. 1905 01:29:50,840 --> 01:29:55,400 Speaker 1: Sources close to butlet cav say the marriage is on 1906 01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:56,960 Speaker 1: the rocks and. 1907 01:29:57,160 --> 01:29:59,519 Speaker 2: Divorce is on the table or something. 1908 01:30:00,080 --> 01:30:03,280 Speaker 1: If you do not get divorced, that does not make 1909 01:30:03,400 --> 01:30:07,040 Speaker 1: that story less true. The story is not you getting 1910 01:30:07,080 --> 01:30:10,599 Speaker 1: divorced or not getting divorced. The story is your sister, 1911 01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:14,000 Speaker 1: who they don't know who she is. You're not gonna 1912 01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:17,240 Speaker 1: out your source told us that you were getting divorced. 1913 01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,559 Speaker 1: The strength of that, and that goes for journalism everywhere. Hey, 1914 01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:25,920 Speaker 1: before the Dobb's decision is coming out, somebody gets ahold 1915 01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:32,080 Speaker 1: of the opinion that somebody wrote or someone like. This 1916 01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:34,880 Speaker 1: hasn't leaked yet, but according to sources that tell ABC 1917 01:30:35,080 --> 01:30:39,200 Speaker 1: News this information is coming out. Well, if the information 1918 01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:42,320 Speaker 1: doesn't come out, ABC News would be embarrassed, of course, 1919 01:30:42,360 --> 01:30:43,760 Speaker 1: and so you have to do your due diligence with 1920 01:30:43,800 --> 01:30:45,360 Speaker 1: the sources that you have that they're not gonna double 1921 01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:47,840 Speaker 1: back on you. But the reality of the situation is 1922 01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:50,000 Speaker 1: if you have a source and that source is ironclad 1923 01:30:50,040 --> 01:30:53,519 Speaker 1: and that source is in with whomever you're talking about, 1924 01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,560 Speaker 1: that's go on that story. The question about whether or 1925 01:30:56,600 --> 01:31:00,280 Speaker 1: not you would report something that's that serious and unless 1926 01:31:00,360 --> 01:31:08,200 Speaker 1: you knew it to be, that's different, varies varies platform platforms, 1927 01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:11,840 Speaker 1: platform the platform. When you report about Michael Jackson and 1928 01:31:11,920 --> 01:31:13,720 Speaker 1: the fact that he had passed away, you haven't seen 1929 01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:18,240 Speaker 1: the body, you haven't checked his pulse, you haven't done 1930 01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:20,439 Speaker 1: any of that stuff. You don't know when you report 1931 01:31:20,520 --> 01:31:24,439 Speaker 1: on Prince like you you haven't seen his dead body. 1932 01:31:24,960 --> 01:31:25,880 Speaker 1: Somebody that knows. 1933 01:31:25,800 --> 01:31:29,120 Speaker 2: Him really well said he was dead and so, and 1934 01:31:29,479 --> 01:31:30,800 Speaker 2: you know that to be true. 1935 01:31:30,920 --> 01:31:34,400 Speaker 1: You're staking your relationship with them in a in a 1936 01:31:34,479 --> 01:31:38,160 Speaker 1: journalistic way of them on them being a good source. Right, 1937 01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:44,479 Speaker 1: So when I say that they're normally right, it's if 1938 01:31:44,880 --> 01:31:51,280 Speaker 1: they if something is factually correct or factually incorrect, it 1939 01:31:51,400 --> 01:31:53,400 Speaker 1: normally won't go up on the site. I'll talk about 1940 01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:56,120 Speaker 1: one story I did have Jason Pierre Paul, the football player. 1941 01:31:56,160 --> 01:31:58,200 Speaker 2: I remember him fires incident. 1942 01:31:58,320 --> 01:32:02,720 Speaker 1: Maybe I knew about that before it happened, hours like 1943 01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:05,680 Speaker 1: hours before it happened. Somebody hit me and literally went, 1944 01:32:06,040 --> 01:32:07,920 Speaker 1: hey man, JPP just blew his hand off with some 1945 01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:12,200 Speaker 1: firewors hours before it happened. It ended up because that 1946 01:32:12,280 --> 01:32:14,960 Speaker 1: was on fourth of July, right, And so it ended 1947 01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:18,519 Speaker 1: up happening maybe at a certain time. It was on 1948 01:32:18,560 --> 01:32:20,600 Speaker 1: the East coast, and I couldn't ever put it up 1949 01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:22,160 Speaker 1: on the site. I couldn't put up on the site 1950 01:32:22,160 --> 01:32:24,360 Speaker 1: because I couldn't confirm it. I couldn't get a picture 1951 01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:28,599 Speaker 1: of it right, I couldn't get any of that stuff right. 1952 01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:32,120 Speaker 1: I could have gone on the source that he did that, 1953 01:32:32,720 --> 01:32:36,160 Speaker 1: but it's such a finite thing that when it's this 1954 01:32:36,720 --> 01:32:40,240 Speaker 1: has happened not this will happen, but this has happened. 1955 01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:42,719 Speaker 1: I even need to be able to talk to somebody 1956 01:32:42,800 --> 01:32:44,760 Speaker 1: that saw the hand and can give me pictures of 1957 01:32:44,840 --> 01:32:47,519 Speaker 1: the hand. I need to be ironclad because I can't 1958 01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:51,400 Speaker 1: put that up and true, because that's a strength. It's 1959 01:32:52,200 --> 01:32:54,679 Speaker 1: didn't either happened or it didn't happen. That's a straight 1960 01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:57,240 Speaker 1: up lie. So guess what we put it on the story. 1961 01:32:57,400 --> 01:32:58,120 Speaker 2: We couldn't get it. 1962 01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:00,360 Speaker 1: The guy who did get it, I think it was Schefter. 1963 01:33:01,840 --> 01:33:05,559 Speaker 1: He violated hippo laws to get it because he got 1964 01:33:05,640 --> 01:33:07,880 Speaker 1: the ship. I remember him getting in trouble. I don't 1965 01:33:07,880 --> 01:33:09,479 Speaker 1: want to say if Schefter, if it wasn't Schefter, So 1966 01:33:09,479 --> 01:33:10,360 Speaker 1: because I don't want to get. 1967 01:33:10,240 --> 01:33:12,400 Speaker 2: It, you don't want to. Yeah, but somebody, somebody, you 1968 01:33:12,479 --> 01:33:12,840 Speaker 2: take out the. 1969 01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:16,439 Speaker 1: Schefter thing there was. There was actually somebody who did 1970 01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:19,719 Speaker 1: get it that violated hippo laws to get the story 1971 01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:22,680 Speaker 1: and ended up getting in trouble. We weren't gonna do that. 1972 01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:25,519 Speaker 1: We weren't gonna call We weren't gonna call any hospitals 1973 01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:27,320 Speaker 1: to try to get it. We were calling any doctors 1974 01:33:27,400 --> 01:33:29,200 Speaker 1: to try to get it. I was trying to get 1975 01:33:29,320 --> 01:33:32,000 Speaker 1: deeper into his inner circle to have someone give me 1976 01:33:32,040 --> 01:33:32,519 Speaker 1: a picture of that. 1977 01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:38,200 Speaker 2: Damn, that's crazy. I feel like that world the schefter, like, uh, 1978 01:33:39,160 --> 01:33:41,719 Speaker 2: you know, the shams versus WOS world. That shit's crazy. 1979 01:33:41,960 --> 01:33:42,320 Speaker 1: M hmm. 1980 01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:44,759 Speaker 2: It's so, it's it's it's it's like the sports TMZ. 1981 01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:46,040 Speaker 2: It's the same thing. 1982 01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:47,280 Speaker 1: I mean, we have TMZ sports, so it was the 1983 01:33:47,320 --> 01:33:48,760 Speaker 1: same thing, but we didn't do contract stuff. It was 1984 01:33:48,760 --> 01:33:51,439 Speaker 1: more lifestyle stuff around guys. But the same thing. A 1985 01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:55,559 Speaker 1: trade is about to happen, like, uh at three hours 1986 01:33:55,560 --> 01:33:58,880 Speaker 1: from now they sent it to Osh said it to 1987 01:33:59,040 --> 01:34:01,599 Speaker 1: was wosebomb boom? What if they didn't take the deal 1988 01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:04,439 Speaker 1: off the table? Did woes lie? No, somebody told them that. 1989 01:34:05,479 --> 01:34:07,400 Speaker 2: I was for sure. I was going to ask you. 1990 01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:11,120 Speaker 2: You mentioned that people were. It felt like TMZ did 1991 01:34:11,160 --> 01:34:14,040 Speaker 2: the bidding for Trump, and I feel like a lot 1992 01:34:14,120 --> 01:34:16,600 Speaker 2: of all the news networks are pretty much guilty of that. 1993 01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:17,679 Speaker 1: No, they weren't. 1994 01:34:17,800 --> 01:34:19,519 Speaker 2: I think CNN did in terms of just how much 1995 01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:21,200 Speaker 2: they covered him. There was like a free information for 1996 01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:23,160 Speaker 2: Trump all day. Okay, I didn't know. 1997 01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:26,479 Speaker 1: I'm not talking about I'm not talking about like I'm 1998 01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:27,640 Speaker 1: not I'm not talking about. 1999 01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:28,760 Speaker 2: What capacity did you mean when you said that. 2000 01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:30,879 Speaker 1: That the stories were favorable. 2001 01:34:31,160 --> 01:34:32,200 Speaker 2: They were favorable for him. 2002 01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:34,360 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, okay, okay, yeah, it's like because Harvey and 2003 01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:35,000 Speaker 1: Trump were friends. 2004 01:34:35,160 --> 01:34:37,439 Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know that they were. Well, I was 2005 01:34:37,479 --> 01:34:38,840 Speaker 2: going to ask you just like, because because you you 2006 01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,479 Speaker 2: you talk politics a lot on your podcast. For people 2007 01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:43,680 Speaker 2: who don't know, go check it out Still Podcast. 2008 01:34:43,439 --> 01:34:47,240 Speaker 1: High Learning Podcasts, ring your podcast network. We're gonna have 2009 01:34:47,320 --> 01:34:48,720 Speaker 1: Cactus Tea on our show pretty soon. 2010 01:34:48,920 --> 01:34:51,800 Speaker 2: Well, I was going to ask you, like, where do 2011 01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:54,519 Speaker 2: you see because I don't think Biden's gonna endup being 2012 01:34:54,560 --> 01:34:58,120 Speaker 2: the guy, because I think it'll lose. I think they 2013 01:34:58,200 --> 01:34:59,040 Speaker 2: probably know that by now. 2014 01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, so roll that out for me. I was just 2015 01:35:02,439 --> 01:35:03,680 Speaker 1: gonna ask you, like, no, no, no, no, no, no, 2016 01:35:04,439 --> 01:35:07,080 Speaker 1: stay on your opinion. So BID's not gonna BID's not 2017 01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:09,360 Speaker 1: gonna run. So who's going to run? I think he'll 2018 01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,840 Speaker 1: probably be Gavin Newsom. Gavin Newso will run. Okay, when 2019 01:35:11,880 --> 01:35:12,960 Speaker 1: are they gonna make this decision? 2020 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,280 Speaker 2: I think they gotta make it after Super probably after 2021 01:35:15,320 --> 01:35:19,479 Speaker 2: Super Tuesday, so or after the primaries is what I 2022 01:35:19,560 --> 01:35:22,280 Speaker 2: meant to say. After the Democratic primary. Yeah, so they're 2023 01:35:22,280 --> 01:35:24,800 Speaker 2: gonna do the primaries. Joe Biden is then going to be. 2024 01:35:25,400 --> 01:35:27,680 Speaker 2: I think he's gonna take like a if I had 2025 01:35:27,720 --> 01:35:30,400 Speaker 2: to predict it, I think he's gonna probably just for 2026 01:35:30,520 --> 01:35:33,360 Speaker 2: like health reasons, just step away, which is probably like 2027 01:35:33,960 --> 01:35:34,840 Speaker 2: the way to do it, right. 2028 01:35:36,040 --> 01:35:40,759 Speaker 1: So with every passing day, every passing second, that becomes 2029 01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:41,280 Speaker 1: less likely. 2030 01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:46,400 Speaker 2: You're right, because I don't disagree with you. My thing 2031 01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:49,040 Speaker 2: is is do you feel like what happened? Because I 2032 01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:54,760 Speaker 2: feel like the CNN, Fox News news cycles, MSNBC during 2033 01:35:54,840 --> 01:35:57,000 Speaker 2: twenty sixteen twenty fifteen, all you would see is Trump 2034 01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:58,840 Speaker 2: trump trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, trump Trump because it was 2035 01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:00,680 Speaker 2: good for ratings, right, And I feel like. 2036 01:36:00,720 --> 01:36:02,400 Speaker 1: Something it's also a relevant news story. 2037 01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:04,519 Speaker 2: It was it was, but I feel like something similar 2038 01:36:04,600 --> 01:36:06,280 Speaker 2: is kind of happening now. But in terms of like 2039 01:36:06,800 --> 01:36:10,000 Speaker 2: all of these cases that are I mean not and 2040 01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:12,760 Speaker 2: he broke the law, right well allegedly obviously he's gonna 2041 01:36:12,760 --> 01:36:13,479 Speaker 2: go have to go to court. 2042 01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:15,320 Speaker 1: And you know it looks like and if you were 2043 01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:17,120 Speaker 1: being objective, that there's some smoke there in some of 2044 01:36:17,160 --> 01:36:18,400 Speaker 1: these cases yet, right, So. 2045 01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:21,800 Speaker 2: Are all these cases to me are kind of doing 2046 01:36:22,320 --> 01:36:24,519 Speaker 2: the same thing the media did from the first go round, 2047 01:36:24,520 --> 01:36:26,639 Speaker 2: Because I feel like it's kind of it like making 2048 01:36:26,720 --> 01:36:29,960 Speaker 2: people feel like he's like a martyr more now than ever. 2049 01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:33,040 Speaker 2: Who If you had to predict who's gonna be the 2050 01:36:33,080 --> 01:36:35,759 Speaker 2: next president right now, I will predict. 2051 01:36:35,800 --> 01:36:36,799 Speaker 1: I will predict Joe Biden. 2052 01:36:37,920 --> 01:36:40,479 Speaker 2: Here's the thing, So you think Biden's sticking sticking in it? 2053 01:36:41,160 --> 01:36:42,760 Speaker 1: If I had to predict, if you had to, that's 2054 01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:46,920 Speaker 1: your scenario is uh is not out of the question. 2055 01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:49,519 Speaker 1: But I'm interested. All the reason why I ask follow 2056 01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:51,560 Speaker 1: ups is because I'm interested in the specificity of it. 2057 01:36:51,720 --> 01:36:54,360 Speaker 1: Right right, Okay, Joe BID's not gonna run. Everybody say, Okay, 2058 01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:56,040 Speaker 1: Joe BID's not gonna run. Who's gonna run? Are they 2059 01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:57,000 Speaker 1: gonna give Michelle to do it? 2060 01:36:57,400 --> 01:36:57,960 Speaker 2: That'd be nice? 2061 01:36:58,200 --> 01:36:59,160 Speaker 1: Is it gonna so? 2062 01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:03,599 Speaker 2: So your situation right in your let's say it's Newsome 2063 01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:04,120 Speaker 2: first Trump. 2064 01:37:04,160 --> 01:37:07,720 Speaker 1: Let's say it's Newsome. Right, that's a gigantic problem for 2065 01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:11,080 Speaker 1: the Democrats. Newsom is a is a I wouldn't say 2066 01:37:11,080 --> 01:37:13,599 Speaker 1: a great candidate. He's a corporate Democrat like the rest 2067 01:37:13,640 --> 01:37:13,840 Speaker 1: of them. 2068 01:37:13,960 --> 01:37:15,559 Speaker 2: Is extremely corporate Democrat. 2069 01:37:15,600 --> 01:37:19,120 Speaker 1: But he's a corporate But he is young, charismatic who 2070 01:37:19,240 --> 01:37:23,960 Speaker 1: was just hanging out with Clinton today, speaks incredibly well, 2071 01:37:24,280 --> 01:37:27,920 Speaker 1: He's a statesman, presentable, Yeah, when all Fox News was 2072 01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:29,840 Speaker 1: able to mix it up with Sean Hannity or whoever 2073 01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:31,840 Speaker 1: else they have him on there, held zone against handy, 2074 01:37:31,840 --> 01:37:36,120 Speaker 1: held his own against the Santas We actually the Hannity's 2075 01:37:36,160 --> 01:37:42,599 Speaker 1: lunch No murdered handed. Yeah, but okay, So if Gavin 2076 01:37:42,680 --> 01:37:47,960 Speaker 1: Newsom is your candidate, what's the problem with that? What's 2077 01:37:48,000 --> 01:37:49,559 Speaker 1: the huge problem with him being a candidate? 2078 01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:54,560 Speaker 2: I think that the national opinion of California is that 2079 01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:56,840 Speaker 2: it's in shambles and that he's a terrible I don't 2080 01:37:56,840 --> 01:37:59,160 Speaker 2: think that's that big of a deal. What do you 2081 01:37:59,160 --> 01:37:59,920 Speaker 2: think is the main problem? 2082 01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:04,599 Speaker 1: You jumped Kamala Harris. So the fact that you jumped 2083 01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:08,920 Speaker 1: Kamala Harris right after making such a big deal. 2084 01:38:09,200 --> 01:38:12,880 Speaker 2: Of her being the first one, being the first vice president. 2085 01:38:13,000 --> 01:38:19,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, VP, you jumped Kamala Harris. Now, every single black women, 2086 01:38:20,200 --> 01:38:22,200 Speaker 1: not all of them, but a lot of black women. 2087 01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:27,840 Speaker 1: Let me not speak in absolutes that uh support Democrats 2088 01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:33,360 Speaker 1: more loyal blindly than any other group. I wouldn't say blindly, no, no, 2089 01:38:33,640 --> 01:38:36,920 Speaker 1: but very very like. I mean, my grandma and my 2090 01:38:37,000 --> 01:38:39,880 Speaker 1: mom are like that. What I'm saying is those democrats't matter. 2091 01:38:40,040 --> 01:38:43,320 Speaker 1: Black women are incredibly well educated, and I think they're 2092 01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:46,800 Speaker 1: making decisions. Uh. I don't think it's blind support. I 2093 01:38:46,800 --> 01:38:51,120 Speaker 1: think it's traditional support. I wouldn't call it blind. Those 2094 01:38:51,200 --> 01:38:54,240 Speaker 1: voters are now to a degree disenchanted. Now, that doesn't 2095 01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:57,519 Speaker 1: mean that they would vote for Donald Trump. I'm not 2096 01:38:57,560 --> 01:38:59,800 Speaker 1: saying that at all. But what I am saying is 2097 01:39:00,160 --> 01:39:02,880 Speaker 1: it would be incredibly politically risky if you were going 2098 01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:08,760 Speaker 1: to go with another candidate, so to alienate your base, 2099 01:39:08,840 --> 01:39:14,439 Speaker 1: most loyal loyal base. So let's say it's Kamala Gavin, 2100 01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:17,080 Speaker 1: Kamala Gavin like Kama at the top of the ticket, 2101 01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:18,360 Speaker 1: Gavin as vice president. 2102 01:39:18,680 --> 01:39:21,680 Speaker 2: Will you do that? I would? I would think so. 2103 01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:24,840 Speaker 1: I mean he wants to be president absolutely. I think 2104 01:39:24,840 --> 01:39:27,479 Speaker 1: he will be one day. The question is not the 2105 01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:30,000 Speaker 1: question is when. The question is is it twenty eight? 2106 01:39:30,600 --> 01:39:33,519 Speaker 1: Does does Kamala still get her turn? Does she still 2107 01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:36,720 Speaker 1: get her turn at president? Is he? Uh? Does does 2108 01:39:36,760 --> 01:39:38,680 Speaker 1: she come back in twenty eight? Then? Does he have 2109 01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:41,320 Speaker 1: to wait? Or does he jump her? Obama jumped a 2110 01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:44,360 Speaker 1: couple of people. Yeah, it just sometimes you you you 2111 01:39:44,479 --> 01:39:46,200 Speaker 1: grab the world in your hands and you. 2112 01:39:46,240 --> 01:39:48,599 Speaker 2: Have to do that. Jump Hillary jump Hillary? 2113 01:39:48,760 --> 01:39:53,000 Speaker 1: Right, and so then when you come back to kind 2114 01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:54,479 Speaker 1: of what he was were talking about in terms of 2115 01:39:55,120 --> 01:39:57,040 Speaker 1: of Donald Trump. Right now, there's a couple of questions 2116 01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:02,080 Speaker 1: I would ask you, h, who's indicting Donald Trump? 2117 01:40:03,640 --> 01:40:05,560 Speaker 2: I mean that's the question if he gets indicted. I 2118 01:40:05,600 --> 01:40:08,439 Speaker 2: think that is, well, he's been indicted, if he gets convicted, 2119 01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:09,960 Speaker 2: Rather so if he gets question. 2120 01:40:09,880 --> 01:40:12,120 Speaker 1: Is when I say who's indicting them? I'm talking about 2121 01:40:12,360 --> 01:40:15,680 Speaker 1: I'm asking specific questions about the coverage. Right. See, and 2122 01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:21,240 Speaker 1: n isn't indicting Trump. MSNBC isn't indicting Trump. Trump has 2123 01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:24,240 Speaker 1: been indicted in New York, in Georgia, and he's been 2124 01:40:24,240 --> 01:40:29,960 Speaker 1: indicted by Justice Department. Okay, So those entities indicting Donald Trump, 2125 01:40:30,720 --> 01:40:33,960 Speaker 1: whether you feel like it's politically motivated or not, they 2126 01:40:34,120 --> 01:40:37,439 Speaker 1: have a duty to prosecute crimes, right, and if there 2127 01:40:37,479 --> 01:40:41,000 Speaker 1: are crimes committed under their watch and they become aware 2128 01:40:41,000 --> 01:40:42,280 Speaker 1: of these crimes, they're not going. 2129 01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:43,720 Speaker 2: To take it to indictment unless they think they can 2130 01:40:43,720 --> 01:40:44,240 Speaker 2: get a conviction. 2131 01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:46,360 Speaker 1: Right, That's the only purpose of doing it. So they 2132 01:40:46,439 --> 01:40:50,960 Speaker 1: have to prosecute criminals. So what I wouldn't want is 2133 01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:55,439 Speaker 1: a Justice Department or a DA or any these people 2134 01:40:55,479 --> 01:41:03,240 Speaker 1: that represent the car Storo, the carcural conditions of America 2135 01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:05,639 Speaker 1: and the cartal state that we live in, which is bad. 2136 01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:08,840 Speaker 1: I'm not a huge fan of just locking people up 2137 01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:10,120 Speaker 1: and throwing away to key. That's not the way I 2138 01:41:10,200 --> 01:41:12,920 Speaker 1: look at the world. But I wouldn't want any of 2139 01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:18,160 Speaker 1: them to not indict or prosecute, specifically a wealthy white 2140 01:41:18,200 --> 01:41:21,200 Speaker 1: man because they think it's bad politically. I think if 2141 01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:23,640 Speaker 1: you are going no one thinks about whether or not 2142 01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:27,439 Speaker 1: it's bad for the hood. When you are going to 2143 01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:30,559 Speaker 1: indict a man for selling drugs and he has a family, 2144 01:41:30,640 --> 01:41:32,599 Speaker 1: or he has a baby's mother, he has no one 2145 01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:34,960 Speaker 1: thinks about if it's bad for his family. No, for sure, 2146 01:41:35,040 --> 01:41:37,160 Speaker 1: nobody thinks about it if it's bad for anything else. 2147 01:41:37,200 --> 01:41:40,000 Speaker 1: When they do that, I see criminal, I get criminal. 2148 01:41:40,120 --> 01:41:44,479 Speaker 1: I put criminal in jail. So and more often than not, 2149 01:41:45,080 --> 01:41:47,679 Speaker 1: when we're looking at the other side of this, those 2150 01:41:47,760 --> 01:41:51,080 Speaker 1: guys are being targeted, They are being stopped in frisk. Sure, 2151 01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:54,280 Speaker 1: there are police in their neighborhoods waiting to create a criminal. 2152 01:41:54,600 --> 01:41:57,479 Speaker 1: Out of the circumstances and the systemic dysfunction and failure 2153 01:41:57,520 --> 01:41:59,320 Speaker 1: that has existed in America for a very long time, 2154 01:41:59,400 --> 01:42:00,000 Speaker 1: there are people. 2155 01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:03,759 Speaker 2: Waiting to do that, so they're almost born into. 2156 01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:07,800 Speaker 1: This sort of uh legal entrapment that for a lot 2157 01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:11,240 Speaker 1: of them is difficult to escape. So the question isn't 2158 01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:15,639 Speaker 1: whether or not, it's it's making people sympathetic to Donald Trump. 2159 01:42:17,600 --> 01:42:21,640 Speaker 1: The question is did he fucking do it? 2160 01:42:22,439 --> 01:42:25,800 Speaker 2: So I think that's the question on the factual base, 2161 01:42:25,960 --> 01:42:28,519 Speaker 2: but perceptually it doesn't matter. 2162 01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:30,840 Speaker 1: What difference does that make? Though? Well, I mean, well, 2163 01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:32,720 Speaker 1: and so you so you would want you would want 2164 01:42:32,720 --> 01:42:35,439 Speaker 1: the Justice Department to say no, because then that would 2165 01:42:35,720 --> 01:42:39,320 Speaker 1: certainly do what between the Justice no, no, No. 2166 01:42:39,600 --> 01:42:42,280 Speaker 2: What I'm saying is you're saying they're doing their job, 2167 01:42:42,320 --> 01:42:46,479 Speaker 2: which they are doing. I think that Joe Schmoe's perception 2168 01:42:46,600 --> 01:42:48,360 Speaker 2: of what's happening is, oh, it's all happening. At the 2169 01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:51,280 Speaker 2: same time, there's a reason why they don't want him in, 2170 01:42:51,400 --> 01:42:52,360 Speaker 2: so I'm gonna vote for him. 2171 01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:55,000 Speaker 1: That's Look, here's the thing. I'll just be honest with you. 2172 01:42:55,320 --> 01:42:59,599 Speaker 1: Maybe maybe there are people who who are more sympathetic 2173 01:42:59,640 --> 01:43:04,920 Speaker 1: to them and criminals. Right, I'll tell you what. People 2174 01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:09,280 Speaker 1: of Americans have had a long cultural relationship with criminality. Right, 2175 01:43:10,520 --> 01:43:16,240 Speaker 1: mafioso's scarface, scarface, dope dealers all have been lying eyes, 2176 01:43:16,360 --> 01:43:18,840 Speaker 1: and there've been movies made about them. Also, I'll tell 2177 01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:21,559 Speaker 1: you what they've never done. They've never took taken one 2178 01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:23,639 Speaker 1: of those guys that they knew to be a criminal 2179 01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:26,400 Speaker 1: and decided that he was going to lead the country. 2180 01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:30,200 Speaker 1: So what I'm going to say is this, if we 2181 01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:34,439 Speaker 1: are so deep down the rabbit hole of Trump's being 2182 01:43:34,840 --> 01:43:36,920 Speaker 1: persecuted or something like that has happened to that you 2183 01:43:37,000 --> 01:43:39,240 Speaker 1: want them to lead the nation, that's fine. You can't argue. 2184 01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:42,400 Speaker 2: Listen, it's a wild It's not wild at all. It's 2185 01:43:42,439 --> 01:43:44,280 Speaker 2: a wild. I just feel like we've been living in 2186 01:43:44,360 --> 01:43:46,519 Speaker 2: like a Family Guy episode or a South Park episode 2187 01:43:46,520 --> 01:43:50,280 Speaker 2: the last like eight years. So like if he's like 2188 01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:51,719 Speaker 2: re elected, I would not be surprised. 2189 01:43:51,960 --> 01:43:54,479 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised either. Look, here's the thing when 2190 01:43:54,520 --> 01:43:58,200 Speaker 1: you when you ask me why I think that he'll lose, 2191 01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:03,000 Speaker 1: or why I think that Biden, who is objectively a 2192 01:44:03,080 --> 01:44:06,280 Speaker 1: bad candidate for sure, like objectively a bad candidate. 2193 01:44:06,360 --> 01:44:08,560 Speaker 2: Yes, right, I'll give you a couple of examples. 2194 01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:09,600 Speaker 1: Well, I think that. 2195 01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:13,040 Speaker 2: One. 2196 01:44:13,200 --> 01:44:16,920 Speaker 1: History tells me Trump will lose. Trump won one election 2197 01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:21,679 Speaker 1: and then he's been consistently losing elections since then, lost 2198 01:44:21,720 --> 01:44:26,280 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty the midterms, people have flipped on them. 2199 01:44:26,479 --> 01:44:27,240 Speaker 1: They've cooled. 2200 01:44:27,960 --> 01:44:31,559 Speaker 2: All the people who have dived into the elections stealing 2201 01:44:31,600 --> 01:44:32,479 Speaker 2: shit have been losing. 2202 01:44:33,040 --> 01:44:37,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, Also that there's been a referendum from America on 2203 01:44:38,040 --> 01:44:42,160 Speaker 1: trump Ism, on the whole maga thing. The parts of 2204 01:44:42,200 --> 01:44:45,479 Speaker 1: America that are very definitively maga are not going to 2205 01:44:45,520 --> 01:44:47,920 Speaker 1: come away from it. They feel represented and seen through that. 2206 01:44:47,960 --> 01:44:48,800 Speaker 2: So that's not going to change. 2207 01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:51,040 Speaker 1: But the people who are at the margins of that 2208 01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:53,680 Speaker 1: that actually flipped elections, they have been going a different way. 2209 01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:56,760 Speaker 1: So I would have to see them elect him again 2210 01:44:57,479 --> 01:44:59,600 Speaker 1: for me to change trend, not for me to believe it, 2211 01:44:59,600 --> 01:45:01,840 Speaker 1: because they do do it in twenty sixteen to change 2212 01:45:01,920 --> 01:45:05,320 Speaker 1: trend number one. I also do think that as the 2213 01:45:05,439 --> 01:45:10,479 Speaker 1: criminal trials beginning, as thing's mount he will probably become 2214 01:45:10,640 --> 01:45:12,640 Speaker 1: even less desirable by some of the other people on 2215 01:45:12,720 --> 01:45:15,000 Speaker 1: the side. The Republicans are working against Donald Trump right now. 2216 01:45:15,080 --> 01:45:18,760 Speaker 1: They're trying to get fronton sadis whatever not gonna be 2217 01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:20,200 Speaker 1: able to do it. He's still gonna way. But I'll 2218 01:45:20,200 --> 01:45:24,760 Speaker 1: say this, so with all of that stuff, like, I 2219 01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:29,200 Speaker 1: think that Joe Biden probably still would beat Donald Trump 2220 01:45:29,920 --> 01:45:33,280 Speaker 1: if if he ends up in a general election. About 2221 01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:39,280 Speaker 1: Joe Biden and the Democrats are doing themselves, I'm I'm 2222 01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:41,200 Speaker 1: all the way to the left. They're doing themselves a 2223 01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:45,040 Speaker 1: tremendous disservice in the way they are running their campaign. 2224 01:45:45,920 --> 01:45:48,599 Speaker 2: I just saw Obama, like sources close to Obama said 2225 01:45:48,640 --> 01:45:49,479 Speaker 2: that he's there. 2226 01:45:49,520 --> 01:45:50,720 Speaker 1: You go, yeah, so. 2227 01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:55,720 Speaker 2: You saw that story about I did. 2228 01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:57,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, there are there are a couple of measurables out 2229 01:45:57,400 --> 01:45:59,120 Speaker 1: there that actually look good for the president, that look 2230 01:45:59,120 --> 01:46:02,479 Speaker 1: good for his administration. Economy is coming back, not the 2231 01:46:02,520 --> 01:46:03,960 Speaker 1: way people will want it to come back, but it's 2232 01:46:03,960 --> 01:46:06,760 Speaker 1: coming back robustly, not maybe as quick as people want 2233 01:46:06,760 --> 01:46:09,360 Speaker 1: to come back. Economies coming back, gas prices coming down. 2234 01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:13,719 Speaker 1: We keep talking about how bad things are in the streets. 2235 01:46:14,200 --> 01:46:17,080 Speaker 1: Data says, y'all talk to people. You always have to 2236 01:46:17,080 --> 01:46:20,479 Speaker 1: talk to people. But data says that violent crime is 2237 01:46:20,560 --> 01:46:22,479 Speaker 1: down in most of the places where it was up before. 2238 01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:26,280 Speaker 1: There's still places where it's terrible. And if you're on 2239 01:46:26,360 --> 01:46:27,800 Speaker 1: the ground in some of these places and you talk 2240 01:46:27,800 --> 01:46:30,200 Speaker 1: to people, they're gonna get You're gonna get all kinds 2241 01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:31,880 Speaker 1: of different stories about how their lives actually are. I 2242 01:46:31,960 --> 01:46:34,040 Speaker 1: get that. So there are things to message, they're not 2243 01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:34,720 Speaker 1: messaging them. 2244 01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:37,719 Speaker 2: Well, they've always kind of been the worst at promoting 2245 01:46:37,760 --> 01:46:41,920 Speaker 2: themselves there. They have a messaging problem, well, one a 2246 01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:42,839 Speaker 2: branding problem. 2247 01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:47,000 Speaker 1: Well, one problem they have now is that they don't 2248 01:46:47,040 --> 01:46:54,240 Speaker 1: have an executive that's capable of speaking with authority and 2249 01:46:54,400 --> 01:46:59,160 Speaker 1: charisma to his wins or to Australia, his his failure, right, 2250 01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:00,160 Speaker 1: they don't have that. 2251 01:47:00,280 --> 01:47:01,000 Speaker 2: He's not capable. 2252 01:47:01,120 --> 01:47:04,320 Speaker 1: He's not capable and for whatever reason, they've sidelined Kamala Harris. 2253 01:47:04,520 --> 01:47:05,439 Speaker 1: She hasn't been where she. 2254 01:47:05,479 --> 01:47:05,880 Speaker 2: Needs to be. 2255 01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:10,560 Speaker 1: People think that these things are criticisms of the Democrats 2256 01:47:10,600 --> 01:47:13,280 Speaker 1: that I make. I'm not Democrat, but I said, I'm 2257 01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:14,559 Speaker 1: always to the left, but I don't have any part 2258 01:47:14,600 --> 01:47:17,519 Speaker 1: of affiliation. People think that these criticisms I'm making a 2259 01:47:17,600 --> 01:47:20,880 Speaker 1: Democratic party are ones that I'm making because there's some 2260 01:47:21,000 --> 01:47:25,120 Speaker 1: sort of secret agenda from me or from anybody else. 2261 01:47:26,000 --> 01:47:28,200 Speaker 1: There are observations that I hope that people would listen 2262 01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:31,879 Speaker 1: to so that these things would change. There's no problem 2263 01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:34,120 Speaker 1: right now that people that look at the world like 2264 01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:37,200 Speaker 1: me are observing that would be better under Donald Trump. 2265 01:47:37,960 --> 01:47:40,600 Speaker 1: The war in the Middle East will be prosecuted in 2266 01:47:40,720 --> 01:47:43,960 Speaker 1: a much less favorable way, in a much more aggressive 2267 01:47:45,280 --> 01:47:49,640 Speaker 1: and bloody way to the Palestinians and Gaza than it 2268 01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:51,640 Speaker 1: already is being. And what we're seeing over there right 2269 01:47:51,680 --> 01:47:56,760 Speaker 1: now is terrible, ridiculous, murderer, a crazy so just all 2270 01:47:56,800 --> 01:47:58,679 Speaker 1: over the place. But it would be worse under Trump. Trump, 2271 01:47:58,760 --> 01:48:04,280 Speaker 1: while he was in office, you could make an argument stoked. 2272 01:48:04,439 --> 01:48:06,240 Speaker 2: Some of these tropes. 2273 01:48:06,680 --> 01:48:09,400 Speaker 1: No, they he stoked some of these fires, Some of 2274 01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:13,040 Speaker 1: these tensions arose under him. He made the decision geopolitically 2275 01:48:13,120 --> 01:48:19,680 Speaker 1: to move the embassy uh to Jerusalem and recognized Jerusalem 2276 01:48:19,800 --> 01:48:24,439 Speaker 1: as the capital of Israel, which was a long held 2277 01:48:25,040 --> 01:48:29,800 Speaker 1: point of contention between you know, Israel and the West Bank, 2278 01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:33,519 Speaker 1: like who runs who has Jerusalem? Everybody had just said, 2279 01:48:33,600 --> 01:48:35,600 Speaker 1: kind of we're leaving out on the table. We're not 2280 01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:38,120 Speaker 1: trying to figure that out where it's It's a place 2281 01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:41,000 Speaker 1: that nobody kind of owns. You talk about Jordan all 2282 01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:44,759 Speaker 1: that stuff, and Trump's like, no, no, no, no, Jerusalem 2283 01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:48,080 Speaker 1: is the cultural and political center of Israel. He moved 2284 01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:50,920 Speaker 1: it there, and not very many other places in the 2285 01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:55,680 Speaker 1: world went along with him doing that. The reality of 2286 01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:58,640 Speaker 1: it is that he did that to signal just how 2287 01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:02,080 Speaker 1: staunch an ally he years of not just Israel, but 2288 01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:04,240 Speaker 1: of bebing that in Yahoo. I want to make sure 2289 01:49:04,280 --> 01:49:07,160 Speaker 1: I say this, Any criticism that I have of Israel 2290 01:49:07,320 --> 01:49:10,360 Speaker 1: is of Israel as a state. Any criticism that I 2291 01:49:10,479 --> 01:49:14,599 Speaker 1: have of any state is of that state as a state. Right, 2292 01:49:15,000 --> 01:49:20,920 Speaker 1: people are diving deep into some pretty obvious anti Semitism, 2293 01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:25,320 Speaker 1: and these things are being conflated. But if you are 2294 01:49:25,360 --> 01:49:30,320 Speaker 1: talking about a country and it's geopolitical actions, it's economic actions, 2295 01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:35,120 Speaker 1: it's human rights violations or human rights violations that have 2296 01:49:35,320 --> 01:49:38,840 Speaker 1: been committed against them in October seventh, one of the 2297 01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:41,320 Speaker 1: worst terrorist attacks we've ever seen, you have to talk 2298 01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:44,000 Speaker 1: about it in a sanitized, intellectual way. And the reality 2299 01:49:44,120 --> 01:49:46,720 Speaker 1: is there's a geopolitical advantage for the United States to 2300 01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:49,120 Speaker 1: have an ally where Israel is situated, for them to 2301 01:49:49,200 --> 01:49:51,400 Speaker 1: have a country that has some semblance of democracy and 2302 01:49:51,600 --> 01:49:55,000 Speaker 1: blindly support and to blindly support it, not because they 2303 01:49:55,160 --> 01:49:58,600 Speaker 1: believe in Israel. It's people, it's freedom, it's self determination, 2304 01:49:58,760 --> 01:50:01,280 Speaker 1: or the freedom of the self determination of anybody else 2305 01:50:01,320 --> 01:50:04,679 Speaker 1: in that region, but because they believe in their own 2306 01:50:05,200 --> 01:50:08,599 Speaker 1: and it's their own interests at heart. It's being able 2307 01:50:08,640 --> 01:50:11,120 Speaker 1: to check up on Iran, Iran and being able to 2308 01:50:11,240 --> 01:50:13,680 Speaker 1: have an ally there and so you'll send them as 2309 01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:15,800 Speaker 1: a mini a pasture helicopters as they need three point 2310 01:50:15,800 --> 01:50:18,519 Speaker 1: three billion dollars a year. So when you're talking about 2311 01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:20,160 Speaker 1: like what you think a country should be able to 2312 01:50:20,240 --> 01:50:22,160 Speaker 1: do and what they should what they should do, you're 2313 01:50:22,200 --> 01:50:25,000 Speaker 1: talking about how you look at the world. And the 2314 01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:27,240 Speaker 1: way I look at the world is through things that 2315 01:50:27,280 --> 01:50:29,720 Speaker 1: have been deprived of me when I was a kid 2316 01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:34,640 Speaker 1: in Baton Rouge, which is freedom, justice, access to food, water, healthcare, 2317 01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:41,280 Speaker 1: environmental justice, one person, one vote, having your life matter. 2318 01:50:41,360 --> 01:50:44,559 Speaker 1: Those are things that when I'm consistently burying people where 2319 01:50:44,600 --> 01:50:48,519 Speaker 1: I'm from, that I do not see being reflected in 2320 01:50:48,640 --> 01:50:51,479 Speaker 1: certain situations all over the world, right, And that's the 2321 01:50:51,479 --> 01:50:52,760 Speaker 1: way I look at the world. I don't look at 2322 01:50:52,760 --> 01:50:54,200 Speaker 1: the world through America. 2323 01:50:54,280 --> 01:50:54,519 Speaker 2: First. 2324 01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:57,800 Speaker 1: I don't look at the world through the lens of 2325 01:50:57,880 --> 01:51:00,800 Speaker 1: what's good for us is the most important thing to me. 2326 01:51:01,200 --> 01:51:03,559 Speaker 1: I'll look at the world through the lens of are 2327 01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:05,800 Speaker 1: people getting what they need? People have what they need? 2328 01:51:06,200 --> 01:51:09,280 Speaker 1: Particularly in this case, I'm asking America to be the 2329 01:51:09,680 --> 01:51:12,920 Speaker 1: police for the entire world. Particularly in this case, America. 2330 01:51:12,680 --> 01:51:15,840 Speaker 2: Is involved, yeah, very much involved. Without being involved in 2331 01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:17,040 Speaker 2: America's involved. 2332 01:51:17,040 --> 01:51:21,240 Speaker 1: So if America is involved, and you know, three cents 2333 01:51:21,240 --> 01:51:23,200 Speaker 1: out of every dollar that I have are going to 2334 01:51:23,240 --> 01:51:25,880 Speaker 1: the Defense Department or whatever the number is probably more 2335 01:51:25,920 --> 01:51:28,720 Speaker 1: than that, then what I want to know is that 2336 01:51:29,960 --> 01:51:34,280 Speaker 1: the people in charge have values and beliefs about the 2337 01:51:34,520 --> 01:51:38,360 Speaker 1: value and sanctity of human life that align with mine. 2338 01:51:38,720 --> 01:51:42,639 Speaker 2: Well, the only candidate that's running that, it's Corner West 2339 01:51:43,240 --> 01:51:46,400 Speaker 2: that shares those I feel like, because everybody else I 2340 01:51:46,439 --> 01:51:47,599 Speaker 2: feel like is very much. 2341 01:51:48,240 --> 01:51:49,920 Speaker 1: This is what I mean. It's not a Biden thing, 2342 01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:52,000 Speaker 1: it's not Trump thing. It's an American thing. America. 2343 01:51:52,760 --> 01:51:56,080 Speaker 2: I think that's the most support. 2344 01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:58,839 Speaker 1: Here's here's the deal and the killing of Jeffrey Epstein, 2345 01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:02,519 Speaker 1: and my god, it's like, it's like, but here's the thing. 2346 01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:03,880 Speaker 1: This is what I'm saying. I'm saying is this. I'm 2347 01:52:03,880 --> 01:52:08,400 Speaker 1: saying that I have a problem with their being with 2348 01:52:08,720 --> 01:52:12,640 Speaker 1: having allies, the problem with America being like like in 2349 01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:16,960 Speaker 1: a cultural or economic or even a military alliance with Israel. 2350 01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:23,600 Speaker 1: The problem becomes when things are being rubber stamped that 2351 01:52:23,640 --> 01:52:27,360 Speaker 1: as an American citizen, I think go against our stated 2352 01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:28,000 Speaker 1: morals and. 2353 01:52:28,040 --> 01:52:31,160 Speaker 2: Goals value the values of the country. 2354 01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:34,280 Speaker 1: I have never been upheld or things that go against mind, 2355 01:52:34,720 --> 01:52:36,640 Speaker 1: and I'm allowed to say. Hey, you know what, I 2356 01:52:36,720 --> 01:52:39,479 Speaker 1: want everybody to be safe. I want everybody to feel 2357 01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:42,160 Speaker 1: safe in their own home. I love the fact that 2358 01:52:42,240 --> 01:52:45,160 Speaker 1: there's a place where Jews can go and they can 2359 01:52:45,240 --> 01:52:48,400 Speaker 1: feel at home and they can feel safe. I want 2360 01:52:48,439 --> 01:52:50,160 Speaker 1: everybody to have that. But at the same time, what 2361 01:52:50,280 --> 01:52:54,760 Speaker 1: I want is for power in the world to be responsible. 2362 01:52:54,800 --> 01:52:55,040 Speaker 1: That's it. 2363 01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:57,200 Speaker 2: That's beautiful, beautifully said. 2364 01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:00,600 Speaker 1: Look we out. I gotta say something real before I go. 2365 01:53:02,280 --> 01:53:04,920 Speaker 1: I'm fucking with Catus Tea and everything that you're doing. Baby, Thanks. 2366 01:53:04,960 --> 01:53:05,920 Speaker 2: My mixtapes coming soon. 2367 01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:11,320 Speaker 1: Catus t mixtape coming soon. Joe Rogan in word situation, 2368 01:53:11,479 --> 01:53:13,400 Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a. I'm a By the end of 2369 01:53:13,439 --> 01:53:17,759 Speaker 1: the week. When is this dropping? Uh? Probably Friday, Okay, 2370 01:53:17,960 --> 01:53:22,000 Speaker 1: So by next Friday. By next Friday, you gonna be 2371 01:53:22,040 --> 01:53:22,559 Speaker 1: Donald Trump. 2372 01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:23,200 Speaker 2: Wow. 2373 01:53:23,320 --> 01:53:28,280 Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna write this headline, adopted this headline. I'm 2374 01:53:28,280 --> 01:53:31,479 Speaker 1: gonna go, they're very fine people. I'm gonna find I'm 2375 01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:33,840 Speaker 1: gonna find all the other stuff you did for some subassets. 2376 01:53:33,840 --> 01:53:34,920 Speaker 1: I got you. Not fuck with what you've been talking. 2377 01:53:34,960 --> 01:53:35,479 Speaker 2: I appreciate it. 2378 01:53:35,840 --> 01:53:36,040 Speaker 1: Yeah,