WEBVTT - 2024 NFL Regular Season Awards 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:03.400 Welcome to Football Today. I'm your host Bobby Skinner here 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:06.280 with my co host Justin Pennock. December twenty fifth, twenty 0:00:06.400 --> 0:00:10.520 twenty four. I hope everyone's having a wonderful Wednesday. And 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:12.959 of course, because it's Wednesday, we are having a show. 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:16.000 We're doing our awards for the season, and we're gonna 0:00:16.000 --> 0:00:18.640 get really creative. We're gonna do MVP, We're gonna do 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:21.320 Offensive Defensive Player of the Year, Offensive Rookie of the Year, 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:23.080 Defensive Rookie of the Year, and Coach of the Year. 0:00:23.079 --> 0:00:24.840 And no one cares about Comeback Player of the Year 0:00:25.160 --> 0:00:29.240 because it's a fraudulent award and they changed the rules completely. 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:30.680 Justin how are you. 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:35.040 I'm good, Bobby Skinner. I'm very very good. Happy Wednesday 0:00:35.080 --> 0:00:40.080 to everybody that celebrates this Wednesday. Yeah, kind of did 0:00:40.120 --> 0:00:42.600 the math. We're like, oh, well, coaches are going to 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:44.360 start to get fired and it's going to be the 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.319 end of the season, so we're not actually sure if 0:00:46.320 --> 0:00:49.160 we're actually going to have like a formal show where 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.479 we get to give our end of season award ballot. 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.040 And I kind of feel a little dirty because there 0:00:55.120 --> 0:00:57.120 is because a lot of these awards at least MVP. 0:00:57.240 --> 0:00:58.360 I think it is, sir, every p you's. 0:00:58.280 --> 0:00:59.480 Gonna come down to the stretch. 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:01.280 It is kind of cut down to the stretch. So 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:03.400 I kind of feel bad putting my you know, putting 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:05.320 our flag in the sands, so to speak, what we 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:07.560 say over here. I kind of feel bad, but we 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:09.000 gotta do it. Let's do it. 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:13.040 Yeah. Also, the NFL has really screwed up their awards 0:01:13.040 --> 0:01:15.960 thing by putting it the night before the super Bowl, 0:01:16.600 --> 0:01:18.440 So it's like, you don't you don't even give talk 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.120 shows like a day to talk about the like it 0:01:21.200 --> 0:01:24.360 was a perfect middle midweek of the playoffs, we can 0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:26.400 talk about m v P and stuff. And then they're like, oh, 0:01:26.480 --> 0:01:28.200 you know what we should do. We should put it 0:01:28.200 --> 0:01:32.600 on Saturday night. There's no shows before the super Bowl, 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:34.560 and guess what we're talking about the next day, the 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:40.080 super Bowl, not the awards. Great job, NFL, you really 0:01:40.160 --> 0:01:44.200 have done a good job with this. But I think 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:47.319 MVP is pretty like probably the more one of the 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:51.000 most interesting MVP races in a long time. Justin and 0:01:51.120 --> 0:01:54.560 let's get let's start there. M VP of the NFL. 0:01:54.600 --> 0:01:57.920 I think it's people are arguing too. I think it 0:01:57.920 --> 0:02:00.120 can become a free man race depending on how the 0:02:00.160 --> 0:02:03.360 quarterbacks do and if Sakwon Barkley breaks the all time 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:08.240 rushing record. But it's really between Saquon Barkley, Lamar Jackson 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.640 and Josh Allen And who are you going. 0:02:12.400 --> 0:02:14.120 Now? I have a hope and I have a big 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.320 speech that I want to go on, but I'm not 0:02:16.360 --> 0:02:18.160 going to do that yet because I have to pick one. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:25.280 Lamar Jackson, Okay, thank you. Can I say something? People 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:27.000 who say Josh Allen are just wrong. 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:32.639 Josh Allen has less to work with but still like it. 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:35.480 But let's up acting like the Ravens are just you know, 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:39.359 the super team, like the receivers Za Flowers and Mark Andrews, 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.240 who has not been the same version of himself. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:42.120 They're not. 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:45.400 No, Like, let's let's stop acting and it's'd be if 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:49.600 it was close. Lamar has two hundred more passing yards 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:52.960 than Josh Allen. He has twelve more passing touchdowns at 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:56.000 thirty seven compared to Josh Allen's twenty six. He has 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:59.480 two less interceptions, which is why, uh, you know Josh 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:02.040 Allen's kind of finally in this is because you know 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:03.840 he has those and by the way, Josh Allen was 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.880 my preseason MVP pick. He has Lamar has two hundred 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.000 and fifty more rushing yards. The only stat that Josh 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:13.960 Allen has is the eleven rushing touchdowns while Lamar has three. 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:16.440 And you're like, oh, well, Derek Henry and the wrong game. Okay, Well, 0:03:16.440 --> 0:03:18.680 I mean James cook Is. You know, he's a thousand 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:21.360 yard back. He was third in rushing last year. You know, 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:23.800 he just doesn't get the short yard his yards that 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:27.640 Josh Allen ends up getting that Lamar's getting. So I 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:29.880 want to talk about Lamar vers Saquan and all of this, 0:03:30.160 --> 0:03:31.359 but I think the main thing we need to talk 0:03:31.360 --> 0:03:34.680 about is Lamar v'us Josh Allen. And I think if 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.560 you are voting for Josh Allen, I think you are 0:03:37.600 --> 0:03:40.120 simply wrong and you don't want to give You'd rather 0:03:40.160 --> 0:03:43.480 give Josh Allen his first MVP than Lamar his third 0:03:43.560 --> 0:03:45.720 and a back to back. I think I think you're 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:48.400 bored with Lamar if you're not giving Lamar Jackson the 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:50.360 MVP award. If you want to talk to me about 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:52.920 like all the arguments, like you said, are not about 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:54.880 like what they're actually doing on the field, Well he 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.720 doesn't have as much to work with, and the fact 0:03:57.760 --> 0:03:59.960 that the Bills have three losses and the Ravens have five. 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:05.480 I'm not as strong. I like, I think Lamar deserves 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:07.240 it more. I think Lamar has had a better year. 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.760 But I'm not as strong saying you're wrong. Can I 0:04:10.760 --> 0:04:11.760 tell you better? 0:04:11.880 --> 0:04:14.160 In one statistical category, like. 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:18.640 I will say, and I agree with you, but I 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:21.919 will say Josh Allen is leading the league in EPA 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.240 per play, and he is leading it by a somewhat 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:26.599 good margin. He's the only guy with the point whose 0:04:26.680 --> 0:04:29.599 EPA per play starts with point three. Everybody else starts 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:33.599 with point two. And MVP has typically been an EPA 0:04:33.680 --> 0:04:37.000 per play like award at least the last couple of years. 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:38.599 And I don't know if that includes last year because 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:40.479 last year was just weird. They had to give it 0:04:40.520 --> 0:04:43.000 to somebody last year, which Lamar deserved it last year too. 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.600 But it should be a total EPA, not an APPA 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:46.120 per play. 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.560 That's okay, That's that's good. I could I could even 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:50.239 check on that maybe. 0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:51.800 But and maybe Josh Allen's ahead of him. 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.599 But I'm going to tell you my wish. I'm going 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.239 to tell you my wish we don't have total EPA. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:04:59.440 ESPN does that if you want to look into that. 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.120 I hope they split it. 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:10.080 I have not happened that since Peyton Manning, Steve McNair. 0:05:10.839 --> 0:05:17.000 I feel dirty trying to trying to say like, definitively 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.839 Lamar Jackson has been better than Josh Allen or definitively 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:24.480 Josh allen'son better than Lamar. I think they both deserve it. 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.920 Part of me hopes if there's fifty writers, ten votes 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.480 goes to Saquon, twenty goes to Alan, twenty goes to Lamar. 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:32.640 That's my hope. 0:05:33.640 --> 0:05:35.880 So it'd be very hard for that to happen, and 0:05:36.000 --> 0:05:38.200 it would be hard. I'm shocked that has even happened 0:05:38.320 --> 0:05:41.440 once with Peyton Manning and Steve McNair here. But we 0:05:41.520 --> 0:05:43.320 got to talk about saque in this talk too. 0:05:43.640 --> 0:05:43.919 Yes. 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:49.800 Now Here's the issue is that the v and MVP 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:54.120 I feel like ruined some people. And I understand if 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:56.280 you want to argue by the leather law, but what 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.239 is more valuable the quarterback or the running back? Fine, 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:02.760 but you know what, this is the NFL, and to me, 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.760 we give running backs to MVP when they close, they 0:06:05.800 --> 0:06:10.440 get very close or break all time rushing records. You know, 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.359 when Adrian Peterson, you know, came eight yards short of 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:16.040 Eric Dickerson's record in twenty twelve, we gave him the record. 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:18.760 When Lendani and Thomlinson broke the touchdown record of six, 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:22.560 we gave him the MVP. When Shawn Alexander didn't oh five, 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.360 we gave him the MVP. Sae Kwon Barkley right now 0:06:26.440 --> 0:06:28.200 is on pace to miss it by twenty two yards. 0:06:28.240 --> 0:06:30.080 And I know you could talk about the extra game 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.279 in there, but in reality, like we just have to start. 0:06:33.680 --> 0:06:37.240 That's you know, we can't we can't do Yeah, we 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.040 can't do that for everything. You know, for a long time, 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:41.960 it was fourteen games and then they you know went 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:44.159 to sixteen. Right, that's a bigger gap. So when like 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.040 we didn't not celebrate those records. 0:06:46.120 --> 0:06:48.280 Yeah, and if you want to compare records, it's Eric 0:06:48.320 --> 0:06:50.479 Dickerson has one hundred and thirty one yards per game. 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:53.360 Sequon Barkley as of now, has one hundred and twenty two. 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:53.920 Yards per game. 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:55.680 Insane. 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:01.960 Yeah, So like like there's a there's you know, a legit, 0:07:01.400 --> 0:07:04.520 a legit like reason why to give him and I'm 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:06.039 sorry you want to you want to argue me about 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:08.720 the whole value thing, fine, have at it. Guess what 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:10.160 what I'm not gonna do is I'm not just gonna 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:13.239 eliminate every single position from this. I will put running 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:16.640 backs in here. Do you think that there can be 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:21.120 enough for Saquon and people going back and forth on 0:07:21.200 --> 0:07:24.160 Lamar and Allen where that split some of the votes 0:07:25.280 --> 0:07:31.520 and ends up getting getting this thing? Because I'm not 0:07:31.560 --> 0:07:35.360 gonna sit here and I'll tell you how strong. Here's 0:07:35.400 --> 0:07:37.480 what I'll say right now. I will say Lamar Jackson, 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:43.400 if Squon breaks Eric Dickerson's rushing record, I would vote 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:46.240 for Saquon. Yeah. 0:07:46.280 --> 0:07:48.120 I think he is gonna fall just short. I think 0:07:48.120 --> 0:07:51.080 that Steelers game kind of kind of got. 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.040 Him right now. He's on pace to miss it by 0:07:53.040 --> 0:07:55.200 twenty two yards. But he's also playing the Cowboys and 0:07:55.240 --> 0:07:56.120 the Giants, which. 0:07:56.000 --> 0:07:58.679 Yeah, which you know very very well defense. 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:00.920 I bet you kind of wish you didn't like go out, 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.280 you know, in the early in that Giants game earlier 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:06.680 in the year, because that would help him out. Uh. 0:08:07.120 --> 0:08:09.720 Here's here, here's how I think it could. The saque 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:12.600 impact is gonna hurt somebody. I think it's gonna help 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:16.880 Josh Allen. I think because you're you're gonna have some 0:08:17.000 --> 0:08:20.760 people that even if they think Lamar deserves it, there's 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.000 gonna be maybe some people out there that don't want 0:08:23.040 --> 0:08:26.120 to give it to Lamar back to back and for 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:30.680 his third time is going to vote Saquon, And then 0:08:30.720 --> 0:08:33.439 I think that's going to actually help put Josh Allen 0:08:33.520 --> 0:08:34.319 over the edge. 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:40.600 Man. I would love to flex the fact that I 0:08:40.640 --> 0:08:44.040 got like my MVP pick right with Josh Allen. Yeah, 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:48.080 but yeah, I just don't think he's deserving, Like to me, 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.240 he's he's right now, he's third place. 0:08:52.720 --> 0:08:55.240 And you so I checked in on total EPA. Do 0:08:55.240 --> 0:08:56.800 you know who's number one in the NFL in total 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:57.560 EPA right now? 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:00.439 It's Alan and then Lamar is like point two behind him, 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:01.160 right total. 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:04.520 Well, again, this everybody may be calculates differently. You shouldn't 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:06.960 calculate ep A different There's no way you calculate that 0:09:07.000 --> 0:09:13.960 differently total EPA. Lamar's number three, Josh Allen is number two, 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:19.480 and this is number one. Joe Burrow's number one, which 0:09:19.760 --> 0:09:22.240 that you know Joe Burrow is also It should should 0:09:22.280 --> 0:09:23.720 low key be in this mix. 0:09:23.840 --> 0:09:26.400 Yeah, but he's and that's we're all concede. Like when 0:09:26.400 --> 0:09:27.959 it's like, oh, we'll talk about the like if you 0:09:28.120 --> 0:09:31.200 have a losing record, you can't be in the MVP 0:09:31.360 --> 0:09:35.280 Award race. That's just the reality of it. But like 0:09:35.360 --> 0:09:39.880 Joe Burrow does belong in the conversation somewhat. But like 0:09:40.040 --> 0:09:42.880 the idea of like, oh, well, Josh Allen has less 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:45.959 to work with, It's like what, like I'm sorry, I'm 0:09:46.000 --> 0:09:49.559 having Rashaud Bateman as your number two wide receiver is 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:54.440 not some some situation where it it harms you when 0:09:54.440 --> 0:09:57.120 it comes to award season. You know, if you want 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.600 to talk about like, oh, well this team had you know, 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:02.240 Joe Borough having if this was Joe Burrow, you're talking 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:06.000 about having Jamar Chase and t Higgins and all that. Maybe, 0:10:06.120 --> 0:10:08.800 but like the Ravens O line is not an advantage. No, 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:12.080 They're not a good pass blocking unit, you know, like 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:15.640 they like they have like negatives on that offensive line. 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:20.040 So like again people get bored with like Lamar's rush. 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:23.240 If Lamar was dropped into the NFL this year and 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:25.360 he had this season, I don't think it'd be would 0:10:25.400 --> 0:10:26.960 do you think it'd be an argument, if Lamar had 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:30.280 never won an MVP, do you think Lamar would be 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:32.000 like the clear cut MVP favorite right now? 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:35.480 Oh if he yes, yes, but because he's what he 0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:36.679 won it last year, it. 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:38.120 Is bullshit, it's bullshit. 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:42.640 No, But what Lamar is doing is it's just it's 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.520 it's out of this fucking world. Out of this world 0:10:45.640 --> 0:10:49.319 man with the the pet Like we thought, what he did? 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:50.680 You know, me even last year, it's. 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:52.960 Like all last year is one of this worst statistically 0:10:53.240 --> 0:10:54.520 statistical MVPs. 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:56.720 But there was a big talking point that I had 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:59.080 last year, and I remember Ben Solock had had it 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:03.120 last year of like stats can't properly measure Lamar's impact, 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:06.680 and he crumpled that talking point up this year, threw 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:09.000 it to the side. And it's like, yeah, I'm gonna 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.160 I'm gonna do what I do in terms of running 0:11:11.200 --> 0:11:13.920 the ball and being valuable and being dangerous to defenses, 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:17.040 and I'm gonna bring the passing stats with me this 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:20.520 year and I'm gonna do that. And no, I never 0:11:20.600 --> 0:11:25.280 thought that Lamar would be this good of a passer 0:11:25.400 --> 0:11:28.520 in terms of the advanced numbers to kind of follow him. 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:30.960 I knew that he's good and you'll know that he 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:33.160 can be like this, top three QB in the NFL 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:35.520 even without these passing numbers. But the fact that he 0:11:35.600 --> 0:11:39.040 has these passing numbers now backing him up is nuts, man. 0:11:39.160 --> 0:11:39.880 It's nuts. 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:42.960 Yeah, and to me. But here's my thing, is Lamar, Lamar, 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:46.679 Lamar beat Josh Allen this year if you like, if 0:11:46.679 --> 0:11:49.840 you the win lost part of this like, yeah, so 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:52.280 I'm not gonna let the difference between ten and five 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:55.199 and twelve and three like, well, that gives this guy 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.040 the edge even though he's worse in every statistical category. 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.800 Sekwon Barkley also tech beat Derrick Henry. 0:12:02.000 --> 0:12:05.520 There you go. I should not be play too much 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:08.479 of a part of it, all right, which so official 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:13.560 you're you are Lamar. I'm gonna say Lamar right now, 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:17.079 but I mind just telling you right now, if Saquon 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:23.840 gets within ten rushing yards of Eric Dickerson and two 0:12:23.840 --> 0:12:27.160 more touchdowns, it goes him. And if he breaks to 0:12:27.240 --> 0:12:29.800 Eric Dickerson rushing record and he doesn't win MVP, I'll 0:12:29.800 --> 0:12:30.479 be outraged. 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.640 Two hundred and sixty seven yards over the next two games. 0:12:36.000 --> 0:12:38.240 That's one hundred and thirty three point five. 0:12:38.880 --> 0:12:41.240 Yeah, very doable. For him. I mean that's just average 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:44.680 twelve more yards per game than what he's averaging. It's 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:46.280 two bad run defenses. 0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:49.440 And especially if Jalen hurts us out, they will just 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:50.840 be giving him the ball. 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:53.600 Yeah, and he won't, you know. And here's the other thing, 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.200 is like you want to talk about like being hurt 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.920 by like Saquon should have Like on any other team, 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.440 you have like eight more touchdowns, but the jailer gets 0:13:00.480 --> 0:13:03.000 the one yard touchdowns on that. This is true, all right, 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.319 Offensive Player of the Year. This is probably a little 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:09.240 less thrilling because we're talking about this guy on MVP. 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:13.000 It's Saquon Barkley. Correct. Yeah, this was once a conversation 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.680 with Derrick Henry. Henry does have the same yards per carry, 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:20.080 just has two less carries per game than him, both 0:13:20.160 --> 0:13:22.679 thirteen rushing touchdowns. But Saquan, like I said, I have 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:26.800 a little more. I think Jamar Chase, you know, is 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.480 a fun year. I think he could have gotten on 0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:32.960 any other year's fifteen hundred receiving yards sixteen touchdowns. You know, 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.160 that's one hundred and thirty more yards than second place. 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:38.240 And Justin Jefferson has four more touchdowns than Terry McLaurin 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:42.960 with with you know, twelve and second place. But saque 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:46.480 he's gonna he's gonna get the two thousand, he gets 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:49.319 Offensive Player of the Year. It's probably pretty simple, right. 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.280 Yeah, yeah, just based on that. I mean, Henry is 0:13:53.320 --> 0:13:57.120 better in terms of the yards yards after contact, He's 0:13:57.120 --> 0:13:59.760 broken more tackles, but there's just no arguing. There's no 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:03.439 r arguing what Sekwon Barkley's done. Seguan's also playing a 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:05.880 lot more than Derrick Henry too. If I were to 0:14:05.880 --> 0:14:10.520 tell you the percentage of available offensive snaps Derrick Henry, 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:11.600 I think. 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.320 This is right. They don't use Henry in the receiving 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:13.880 game at all. 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:16.680 Fifty five point eight percent of the offensive snaps for 0:14:16.760 --> 0:14:19.440 Derick Henry versus Saquon Barkley seventy three point four of us. 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:22.800 So that's kind of shocking. But Saikwon deserves it. I mean, 0:14:22.840 --> 0:14:25.640 there's really no there's no offens or butts that you 0:14:25.680 --> 0:14:26.240 can come with. 0:14:26.520 --> 0:14:28.400 Why don't you talk to us about something justin before 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:29.960 we talk about Defensive Player of the Year. 0:14:29.960 --> 0:14:34.560 I will Today's episode is sponsored by DraftKings. 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I'm going Miles Garrett again though, Okay, he's 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:55.480 second in sacks behind Trey Hendrickson by one or one 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:58.240 and a half. I believe he's first in tackles for loss, 0:15:58.240 --> 0:16:01.600 tied with TJ. Watt. He has the most total pressure 0:16:01.760 --> 0:16:04.200 for you know, sacks hit some pressures for edge, only 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:07.480 one behind Chris Jones, who's a defensive tackle. Number one 0:16:07.520 --> 0:16:10.960 in past rush win rate. This is an edge award. 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:12.840 I don't think there's any corners who are making a 0:16:12.840 --> 0:16:16.160 play at it this year. I know would be Joseph 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:20.280 Xavier McKay. I I'd take McKenney over Kirby Joseph in this. 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.640 I'm going Miles Garrett. Do you do you think he's 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:27.080 gonna get it though, because he's on the Cleveland Browns. No. 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:28.800 I think it's gonna go to t J. Watt again. 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:31.760 And I and I I don't even think that because 0:16:31.920 --> 0:16:35.120 t J. Watt's on the Steelers. I think it be 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:37.240 I think t J Watt deserves it because of what 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.000 he does as a run defender, not to say that 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.040 Miles Garrett's a bad run defender. I just think t J. 0:16:42.160 --> 0:16:44.520 Watt is an incredible. 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:50.200 Miles Garrett's a better run defender. Really, Miles Garrett gets 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:54.000 the tackles for a losses without doing the workoutside in 0:16:54.120 --> 0:16:56.240 type stuff. He just sets the edge and still gets 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:57.320 those tackles for a loss. 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.000 I mean, yeah, I think average stuff of tackle. Like again, 0:17:01.040 --> 0:17:03.320 I'm going off with some numbers, which it's tough to 0:17:03.320 --> 0:17:05.359 give numbers for run defense. I definitely think that's more 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:07.320 of a film. It's more of a film like, hey, 0:17:07.520 --> 0:17:10.480 is this guy can Kenny set an Edgejgi stronger? You 0:17:10.520 --> 0:17:12.639 need to watch that type of shit. And I'm not 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:14.960 watching both any of these guys like down and down 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:17.840 out to say who's actually better. But I know average 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:19.920 have to tackle. TJ. Watt gets the edge and a 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.240 run stop, right, I think TJ Watt gets the edge 0:17:22.240 --> 0:17:25.440 and and shit like that. So I know TJ Watt 0:17:25.480 --> 0:17:28.200 leads him more force fumbles, So that's as a pass rusher. 0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:30.680 Plus you can force a fumble as a run defender too, 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:33.760 So that's why I would give it to g TJ. 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:38.080 Watch just because I think overall more complete. However, like 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:42.040 there are guys that are legitimately better pass rushers than TJ. Watt, though, 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:45.080 because TJ. Watt. One of the critiques that he's had 0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:48.439 is the years have gone on, is guys like Miles 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:51.159 Garrett Hendrickson, there's a you know, a good amount of 0:17:51.160 --> 0:17:53.320 guys in the league that are better at getting pressure 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:53.800 than TJ. 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:54.120 Watt. 0:17:54.119 --> 0:17:56.720 But TJ. Watt is just such a good finisher. He 0:17:56.800 --> 0:17:58.560 finishes every year, every year. 0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:01.520 Yeah, and if he had like a three sack lead 0:18:01.840 --> 0:18:04.800 on them, then I'd say, yeah, like this is defensive 0:18:04.800 --> 0:18:08.200 Player of the Year. Is is kind of like sacks 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.359 matter more than total pressure. Yeah, you know, but at 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.080 the end of the day, Miles Garrett has more sacks. 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.680 And if we're talking about total like pressure, let's see 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.000 words to Miles Garrett's first for edges. 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:23.640 Yeah, you gotta, you gotta because watch twenty fourth. Hey 0:18:23.640 --> 0:18:24.600 he doesn't have the hurries. 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:29.439 He's twenty fourth past rush win rate, Miles Garrett eleven 0:18:29.480 --> 0:18:34.879 percent better pressure percentage, he's four percent better. Like, again, 0:18:34.960 --> 0:18:38.760 I don't get voter fatigue. I'm giving it to Miles Garrett, 0:18:41.320 --> 0:18:47.400 and I actually think Andrew Van Ginkel has like a 0:18:47.440 --> 0:18:50.600 better case this year for than t J. Watt. You know, 0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:52.639 he's top five and sacks and tackles for a loss. 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:58.199 He has interceptions. I've turned the touchdowns or at least one. 0:18:58.359 --> 0:19:00.399 Uh yeah, I think both his I think both his 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.560 interceptions went for touchdowns one on Jones, one on Aaron 0:19:03.640 --> 0:19:08.320 Rodgers and the London game. So and then McKinney's in 0:19:08.400 --> 0:19:14.080 there too, But Trey Hendrickson. No, Trey Hendrickson is like 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:16.399 in there with with those three. What I'm saying is 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:20.679 like if people just edge VERSU edge, I'm taking Miles 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:22.680 Garrett and then Andrew Van Ginkel. I think the two 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:25.720 interceptions wall being top five, that can be a differentiator 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.399 for him, where I don't think there's a differentiator between 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:32.959 Hendrickson and Garrett and then McKinney. I think if McKinny 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.720 had like three interceptions in the last two games and 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:38.000 you get double digit interceptions, I think you could give 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:39.920 it to him. But in reality, it's just so hard 0:19:39.960 --> 0:19:43.320 for a TB and especially a safety to get this award. 0:19:43.760 --> 0:19:48.520 Yeah, yeah, I still I still give the edge to 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:48.960 Wat though. 0:19:49.840 --> 0:19:52.720 Yeah. I'm going Miles Garrett all right time for Offensive 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:56.359