1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: Hey, Disco's You can listen to an extended version of 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: this after party episode by becoming a member of Disgraceland 3 00:00:06,440 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 1: All Access. Just go to disgracelandpod dot com slash membership 4 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: for more details and to sign up. Hey everybody, what's 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: going on? Welcome to Disgraceland, which, as you know, is 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: brought to you by Double Elvis. This week we have 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:25,080 Speaker 1: our part two episode of our Marilyn Monroe story that's 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: in our disgrace Land feed and for our all Access 9 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: members and our Patreon and Apple subscription feeds, we have 10 00:00:31,720 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: a brand new episode out right now on Chris Cornell. 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,120 Speaker 1: So make sure that you're all signed up for our 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,680 Speaker 1: all access content either on Apple Podcasts or on Patreon 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: so that you can hear that episode on Chris Cornell, 14 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: along with other exclusive episodes that we've released previously, Basquiat, 15 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: a couple others. 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That's called The 24 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:17,000 Speaker 1: Singers Talk and you can find that wherever podcasts are available. 25 00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: All right, let's get into this bonus episode right now. 26 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: Let's talk a little diddy, Let's talk a little Marilyn Monroe. 27 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:28,480 Speaker 1: Let's just talk, shall we. Hey, discos need a little 28 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: more Disgraceland in your life, just to touch to get 29 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: you through. Yeah, me too. This is the podcast that 30 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 1: comes after the podcast. Welcome to Disgraceland, the after Party. 31 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Disgraceland bonus episode, a little thing we 32 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: like to call the after party. This is the show 33 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 1: after the show, the party after the party, the bridge 34 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: to get you from one full episode of Disgraceland to 35 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: the other, the backyard to dig into the dirt. On 36 00:02:08,680 --> 00:02:11,440 Speaker 1: this bonus episode, we are talking about this week's part 37 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: two full episode on Marilyn Monroe. The sources that we 38 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,560 Speaker 1: used for this Marilyn Monroe episode which helped us uncover 39 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: some wild stuff. As always, information in this round of 40 00:02:20,160 --> 00:02:23,080 Speaker 1: research on Maril Monroe and the FBI that didn't make 41 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: it into the episode. We're going to get into that 42 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: right here. We're also discussing how we are going to 43 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: deal with the Sean Diddy Combs allegations. We have an 44 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: update about the Disgraceland book club that is coming your way. 45 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: This kind of just popped up this week and might 46 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: get into a little Celtics talk too. It's that time 47 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: of the year, all right. Of course, your voicemails, your 48 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: text and more as always, and a whole lot of rosy. 49 00:02:44,600 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: All right, disc goes, Let's get into it. Cannibalism, kidnapping, murder. 50 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:05,120 Speaker 1: These are the three crimes by three different artists that 51 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 1: I covered at the end of season two of Disgraceland, respectively. 52 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: The artists were Big Lurch, Rick James, and Spade Coolly 53 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: who committed those crimes. I wrote and produced all three 54 00:03:17,160 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: of those episodes straight, straight in a row and during 55 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: a truncated period of time. So what that means is, 56 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,959 Speaker 1: for about six weeks straight, I had my head into 57 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: some pretty dark waters. The other element relative to these 58 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 1: specific three subjects is that all the crimes, the cannibalism, 59 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: the kidnapping, the murder, throwing, torture, and horrifically violent physical 60 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: abuse and mental abuse. All these crimes were perpetrated against women. 61 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: It was women who were the victims at the hands 62 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: of these abusive men. And again I'm talking about Big Lurch, 63 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: Rick James, and Spade Cooley, all the musicians. After these 64 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:03,680 Speaker 1: episodes were produced, I went into a deep funk once 65 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 1: we shipped these episodes off and again, this was season 66 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: two of Disgrace Sense, so this was back in the day. 67 00:04:09,200 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: It was early days for me being in this game. 68 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: I was relatively new and still you know the subject matter. 69 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: Dealing with it all was a new experience for me, 70 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,920 Speaker 1: I should say, dealing with it all at such a 71 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 1: high volume was a new experience for me. So after 72 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,080 Speaker 1: these three episodes, like I said, I was in a funk. 73 00:04:29,320 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: I took some time off. I don't know what I did. 74 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 1: I went and hung out with some puppies. We looked 75 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,359 Speaker 1: at some rainbows. I don't know what I did, but 76 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: I needed a change of focus after making these episodes, 77 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:41,599 Speaker 1: and I don't know what I did, like I said, 78 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: but I did something, and eventually the fog of darkness 79 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: lifted and then I threw myself back into researching similar 80 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:51,479 Speaker 1: subject matter, with the only real adjustment being that I 81 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:55,279 Speaker 1: vowed to kind of spread out the really true dark stuff, 82 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: the dark research, I should say, but that's near possible 83 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:03,200 Speaker 1: to do. I mean, some stories are darker than others. 84 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: Some stories, a lot of stories, I should say, have redemption, 85 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,359 Speaker 1: And we sort of like adjusted our approach so that 86 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: we landed on those stories of redemption in these disgraceline 87 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: episodes whenever we can, whenever possible. But the one thing 88 00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: I pledged to do regarding choosing the subjects I was 89 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:24,960 Speaker 1: going to cover the subjects I was going to research, 90 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: subjects I was going to write about, subjects I was 91 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: going to produce podcasts about, was that I pledged to 92 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: myself that I wouldn't cover subjects involving the abuse of children, because, 93 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: like most people, I just don't want to deal with 94 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:43,039 Speaker 1: that level of darkness. But I'm about to break that 95 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,119 Speaker 1: rule because I cannot ignore the stories surrounding the Sean 96 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 1: Diddycomb's allegations. These stories don't just involve, of course, the 97 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,239 Speaker 1: alleged abuse of children. They also involve women. They also 98 00:05:55,360 --> 00:06:00,240 Speaker 1: involve grown men. But the darkness here is deeper and 99 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: darker and more depraved than anything that I have ever researched. 100 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 1: And that is, of course saying something for those new 101 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: to Disgraceland. Usually I don't wade into the waters of 102 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 1: current affairs concerning entertainers and their true crimes as they're 103 00:06:17,000 --> 00:06:21,160 Speaker 1: being litigated, but this story is too explosive, not too 104 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:24,000 Speaker 1: so ever, since the day that the Cassie video was 105 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 1: released this last week, and for those who don't know, 106 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: that's the video of Sean Combe's viciously beating on his 107 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: then girlfriend Cassie Ventura in a hotel hallway. This was 108 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,760 Speaker 1: the videos from back in twenty sixteen, and it demonstrates 109 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: the exact behavior alleged in the lawsuit that Cassie Ventor 110 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: filed against Ditty, the exact type of behavior that Diddy 111 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,919 Speaker 1: denied before settling that lawsuit for thirty million dollars. This 112 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:52,440 Speaker 1: video impossible to ignore her obviously impossible to ignore the 113 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 1: ramifications of this video on Ditty. This is again the 114 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: exact type of behavior that Diddy denied before settling the 115 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: lawsuit for thirty mil. And it got me thinking about 116 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: what else Diddy has been accused of and what else 117 00:07:05,440 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: he has denied and what kind of monster he may 118 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:12,920 Speaker 1: or may not actually be. So I started digging into 119 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: the five lawsuits that have been filed against Ditty since 120 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: the Cassi suit was settled back at the end of 121 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. And by digging in, I mean into 122 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 1: the actual paperwork and looking at what has been legally 123 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: claimed against Sean Combs and what evidence is presented in 124 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: these lawsuits. In other words, the real stuff, the real accusations, 125 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: not rumors, not Internet rumors. And these crimes that are 126 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: alleged against the so called bad boy for life. They involve, 127 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 1: of course, sexual abuse, sex trafficking, criminal racketeering, gang rape, 128 00:07:57,800 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: drug and firearm distribution and more. Now here's the thing. 129 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 1: This is America. Anybody can sue anybody. You can claim 130 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: anything about somebody else and bring them to court, which 131 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: is really fucked up, if you want my opinion. So 132 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,640 Speaker 1: when when these after the Cassie lawsuit was settled and 133 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:21,680 Speaker 1: these these subsequent lawsuits were filed, you know, I was interested, 134 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: but I wasn't that interested, and part of me thought, well, 135 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 1: maybe who knows what the hell's in these actually? Who 136 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: you know, I didn't doubt that they weren't true on 137 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,360 Speaker 1: some level. That's my personal opinion. I have no proof 138 00:08:34,400 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: to back that up myself, so don't get it twisted. 139 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 1: But there have been rumors about Diddy for years, much 140 00:08:41,480 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: earlier than this Cassie stuff that's come out in the 141 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: last at least come out into the mainstream in the 142 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:52,200 Speaker 1: last eight months or so. I had heard stuff me okay, 143 00:08:52,280 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: like secondhand, like you know, at the barbershop or whatever. 144 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: So if I'm hearing it, if it's filtering all the 145 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,840 Speaker 1: way down to me, imagine you know what's actually true. 146 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: And by the way, this is a pattern that I've 147 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: experienced before. You know, I'm sure a lot of you 148 00:09:07,520 --> 00:09:09,640 Speaker 1: out there had heard like I had, had heard the 149 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:13,200 Speaker 1: Harvey Weinstein stuff before it actually broke, heard rumors of it, 150 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: heard people talking about it, people joking about it. Same 151 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: goes for Cosby. All this stuff was in the ether, 152 00:09:19,240 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 1: it was out there. Same goes for Ditty. So when 153 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: all this stuff broke, I wasn't like, you know, clutching 154 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: my pearls or anything. But at the same time, I 155 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: didn't think that everything that was accused of him, everything 156 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,280 Speaker 1: that has been accused of him, I should say, is 157 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,600 Speaker 1: actually true. And I'm not saying that everything is. All 158 00:09:35,640 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: I'm saying is that in the last week I dove 159 00:09:38,440 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: into the actual criminal paperwork that was filed against Ditty, 160 00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:44,959 Speaker 1: and I looked at the actual evidence that is being presented, 161 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 1: and I looked at the vividly specific allegations, some of 162 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: which have correlating photographic evidence screenshots as proof of video 163 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,640 Speaker 1: evidence being held by prosecutors that will presumably come out 164 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,559 Speaker 1: in whatever court case, sir, or whatever indictment is to come. 165 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 1: The allegations in each lawsuit give details that align with 166 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:10,359 Speaker 1: each other as well, okay, and they seem to support 167 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 1: these specific patterns of abuse. So you can see why 168 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: some of us, myself now included, think that this is 169 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 1: a wildly compelling story. All right. Now, again, all of 170 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: this is alleged. Nothing has been proven. Diddy has denied 171 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: everything except for the video of him beating Cassie, which 172 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 1: he issued a hollow apology for. But there's a lot 173 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: of smoke, right But you know that. My larger point, however, 174 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: is that there's no denying how incredibly dark and depraved 175 00:10:41,040 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: this whole subject is. Then there is the TikTok of it. 176 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 1: All the allegations that are in the criminal complaints are 177 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: one thing. On TikTok. They hearsay the conjecture, the rumors 178 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 1: from ex employees of Ditty, from bodyguards, personal assistants, ex lovers, 179 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: ex friends, enemies. This is a whole other level of darkness. 180 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:06,079 Speaker 1: This is Joseph Conrad, Colonel Kurtz, O J. Simpson, Aaron Hernandez, 181 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: Jeffrey Epstein type of darkness. And it's hard to handle, 182 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:12,080 Speaker 1: it's hard to take in, it's hard to absorb, if 183 00:11:12,120 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: I'm being honest. But I'm in it, and this story 184 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 1: isn't going away, and I'm going to do my best 185 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: to stay in it and stay sane and to try 186 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,560 Speaker 1: and find a way to contextualize the history of Diddy 187 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: as well as the facts surrounding these current allegations for 188 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: you guys. That's what I'm going to try to do. 189 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: I'm going to try to attempt to provide some sort 190 00:11:30,840 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: of roadmap through my style of storytelling of how we 191 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: got here and where we're going, and to bring you 192 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,520 Speaker 1: new information as it unfolds in real time, and again 193 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: to do so with type of storytelling that you've become 194 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:45,079 Speaker 1: familiar with here in Disgraceland. All right, At first, I'm 195 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: gonna be doing this with video content through short form 196 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: video on Instagram, but eventually, as this story unfolds, I'm 197 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: going to likely roll it out into some sort of 198 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: audio coverage and podcast form. Whether that's in a new 199 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,160 Speaker 1: feed or whether that's part of Disgraceland or here or 200 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 1: in the after party bonus episodes, I'm not yet sure. 201 00:12:03,640 --> 00:12:06,840 Speaker 1: But there is so much here and so much to unpack, 202 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: and so many massive names from the world of entertainment 203 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 1: who are all connected. So the question then for me 204 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: personally becomes what to do about staying sane while wading 205 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 1: through these incredibly dark waters. And this question goes to 206 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 1: you guys as well, if you're gonna come along on 207 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 1: this ride with me, all right, I haven't quite figured 208 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 1: out how to answer this question, but I'm working on it. 209 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: There's goodness in this world. We may be in an 210 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: ongoing battle of good versus evil, and I truly believe 211 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: that we are, but there is far more good, far 212 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: more light than darkness, and it's everywhere it surrounds us. 213 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: No matter what situation we are in, it is there. 214 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:50,720 Speaker 1: Trust me. You just have to look literally as I'm 215 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,960 Speaker 1: thinking about this, as I'm writing down my notes to 216 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:56,840 Speaker 1: go head into the recording booth and lay this out 217 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: for you. My six year old son Willem just walked 218 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: into my bedroom with a massive smile on his face. 219 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:04,640 Speaker 1: That's all the light in the world that I need 220 00:13:04,760 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: right there. It's cheesy, but it's fucking true. 221 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: Man. 222 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: He walked in to say good morning in a hand 223 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:12,000 Speaker 1: me a copy of Paul Shecher's new book, which came 224 00:13:12,040 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: in the mail yesterday. Will Al must have grabbed it 225 00:13:14,240 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: from the Amazon box that it came in that was 226 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 1: near the front door and wanted to do something nice 227 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 1: for his dad. Again, the smile massive, and the title 228 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,440 Speaker 1: of the book, it's a sign of light. It's a 229 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: sign of the goodness delivered in real time with Jerry 230 00:13:27,040 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: Garcia like synchronicity. 231 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 3: The book is. 232 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 1: Called Joyful Recollections of Trauma. Okay, I haven't read it yet, 233 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: of course, I've owned it for all of about four minutes. 234 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: This title is a great one, and it seems like 235 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,720 Speaker 1: Paul Sheer has found a way to deal with the darkness. 236 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to find a way to deal with the 237 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 1: darkness as well more soon. I'll be back after this 238 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,640 Speaker 1: all right. Before we get into sources here, before we 239 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: get into the rest of the episode, I want to 240 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 1: talk to you guys about something that we're just all 241 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:16,679 Speaker 1: of a sudden doing. This wasn't planned at all. Came 242 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: up in the Patreon chat that i've been telling you 243 00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: guys about. If you're not on Patreon, sign up. If 244 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: you are, you're gonna know what I'm talking about. You 245 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 1: guys who know me well, who are in the chat, 246 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: you know I've been I've been reading a ton out 247 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: for pleasure, not for research, and I've been reading a 248 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 1: lot of these thrillers, these mystery thrillers, and I've just 249 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: been burning through these books. A lot of them are 250 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: crime based, obviously. I just finished The Silent Patient the 251 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: Talented Mister Ripley. I read the week before that. Before 252 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: the week before that, i read Dark Places by Jillian Flynn, 253 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 1: and right now I'm reading Tell No. One by Harlan Coben. 254 00:14:57,080 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: But for fans of crime fiction, thriller fiction, mystery fiction, 255 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: you'll know these titles. Anyways, I've been talking about them 256 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: in the Patreon chat and some of you have been 257 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 1: reading them as well, and a couple of you had 258 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: the idea to do this book club, and that's now happening, 259 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: So we are. I guess we have a book club. 260 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 1: I'll send out some more information for you guys in 261 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: the next few days, just through email, Instagram, everywhere. But 262 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: basically we're gonna get together. I don't know how often. 263 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 1: I think the first time we're getting together is going 264 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:29,240 Speaker 1: to be in a couple of weeks June third, at 265 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: eight thirty Eastern Standard time to discuss over zoom or Google, 266 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: Google Meetup or whatever it's called video. Basically, I'll be 267 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: on there obviously, and we'll be discussing the Talented Mister Ripley. 268 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: That's gonna be the first book in the book club. 269 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:46,360 Speaker 1: We don't have a name for the book club. We 270 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: don't have any structure. Basically, we're just getting together and 271 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: talking and we'll figure out what this is all going 272 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: to be shortly. But the point is, if you want 273 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 1: to join, go for it, all right. I'm excited. I 274 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: don't want to come up with a lot of structure 275 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: sure for this. If someone else does, that's fine. I 276 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: just want to talk books that I'm reading with you guys. 277 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 1: So again, the first one is going to be June third, 278 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: eight thirty Eastern Standard time, and the book is going 279 00:16:11,320 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: to be the talented mister Ripley. So if you all 280 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: want to join in, read that book and be on 281 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: the lookout for more information and then just hop in 282 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 1: the video with us and you know we'll be talking. 283 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: All right. More to come on this, but I'm pumped. 284 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:27,280 Speaker 1: I'm very excited. And thanks to the discos and the 285 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 1: Patreon chat who who kicked this off and got this 286 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: thing going. Much appreciation, all right. So we did a 287 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: lot of reading as well, obviously for the Marilyn Monroe episodes, 288 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:39,840 Speaker 1: and I want to talk a little bit about the sources. 289 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: Last week we talked about the major biographies that we 290 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: used to source these episodes. So if you miss that, 291 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:46,560 Speaker 1: I want to learn more about those books, you can 292 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: go back and check out last week's after Party bonus episode. 293 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: This week and this week's Part two episode on Merily 294 00:16:53,400 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: Monroe story, we talk about her death and the many 295 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: different theories that have been out there for a while. 296 00:16:58,160 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 1: So I wanted to speak to the sources that we 297 00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: use to really get into all this and litigate these 298 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,800 Speaker 1: different versions of events that are in the episode. This 299 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 1: book we use called The Murder of Merily Monroe Case Closed, 300 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,680 Speaker 1: written by J Margolis and Richard Buskin. This was originally 301 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 1: published ten years ago in twenty fourteen. It was a 302 00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:16,560 Speaker 1: New York Times bestseller, and it was a big deal because, 303 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:18,560 Speaker 1: as the title suggests, it puts forth the theory that 304 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:22,239 Speaker 1: Merily Monroe was assassinated, that Bobby Kennedy ordered it, that 305 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 1: Peter Lawford knew about it, that our doctors knew about it, 306 00:17:25,480 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: that the FBI and the CIA, and YadA, YadA, YadA. 307 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:30,879 Speaker 1: Give me a fucking break. It's wild, but it is 308 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: a point of view, and I wanted to rep that 309 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:36,400 Speaker 1: point of view. So this is what we used. Check 310 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 1: that out if you want to, you know, listen, but 311 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: it's just backing up a second here. Spoiler alert if 312 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: you haven't yet listened to the Part two episode of 313 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: Merril Monroe. But basically the end of it culminates with 314 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: me laying out the three main conspiracy theories, which I'm 315 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,119 Speaker 1: not going to get into here. Specifically, I believe in 316 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: one of them. Two of the three I think are 317 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,360 Speaker 1: are bogus. But in order to properly rep the two 318 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: that I don't believe in, you still have to do 319 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,159 Speaker 1: research in it. So that's why that book was uh 320 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: valuable to us, even though it's not a theory that 321 00:18:08,680 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: I subscribe to, and in all the books that we 322 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: used to set up the Merrily Monroe conspiracy theories and 323 00:18:16,119 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: to dive into them to set up this story in general, 324 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 1: I'm just going to cut through all the bullshit. If 325 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:23,920 Speaker 1: you want to know, my recommendation of the best book 326 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: to read it is the Eryl Flynn autobiography. Okay, just 327 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: go find that if you can find it. It's a 328 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: hard book to find, for understandably, it is wild. That's 329 00:18:37,080 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 1: the thing too, that we don't talk enough about now 330 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: that I'm being honest. You know, the shit that these 331 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: these entertainers actually cop to in their own books is nuts. 332 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: It's fucking crazy. And this is a prime example. Just 333 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:54,640 Speaker 1: go read that, all right. Six one seven nine oh 334 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,080 Speaker 1: six six six three eight. I want to know which 335 00:18:58,200 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: of the three theories surrounding MARYL. El Monroe's death you 336 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:06,159 Speaker 1: think is actually true. Number one? Was it probable suicide? 337 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: Number two? Did the Kennedys do it? Number three? Was 338 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: it a medical mishap involving her doctors? Let me know? 339 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: Six one seven nine oh six six six three eight. 340 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 1: Second question. I also want to know what books do 341 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: you want to discuss in the New Disgrace LAMB Book Club. 342 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: I want to warn you right now I'm on this 343 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: crime mystery thriller kick and I don't think I'm getting 344 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 1: off of it. So if you're into that type of stuff, 345 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: you're the book that you select, that you choose you 346 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,080 Speaker 1: might want to discuss, you might want us all to read. 347 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:38,880 Speaker 1: Is kind of have a better chance and say if 348 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: you suggest War in Peace or uh, some historical novel 349 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: or whatever. Okay, six one seven nine oh sixty six 350 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: six three eight book recommendations is what I'm saying. Also, 351 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:52,480 Speaker 1: let me know which explanation of Meril Monroe's death do 352 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 1: you think is most plausible? Text voicemail just like Sam 353 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: from the six one nine calling in. Uh Sam, you 354 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 1: know this is in regards to last week's question. We 355 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: asked about which celebrity deaths have affected you. I was 356 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,840 Speaker 1: obviously talking about Prince and Sam called in with this voicemail. 357 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 2: Hey Ja, this is Sam from Chico, California, in response 358 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 2: to your two the two deaths that really impacted me. 359 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 2: Mister padre Tony Gwynn. He was my idol as a 360 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 2: young kid growing up in San Diego and wanted to 361 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: be like him, and his death really impacted me. It 362 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 2: was just avoidable and you know, pretty tragic. And then 363 00:20:33,400 --> 00:20:36,199 Speaker 2: the other one's Anthony Bourdain. Uh, you know, I'm not 364 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 2: a chef. I love food, not a chef, but his 365 00:20:40,520 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: curiosity and his wonder and the way he used his 366 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 2: language to depict that was really special to me. And 367 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: his death really hurt when I heard he passed. So 368 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:56,439 Speaker 2: Tony and Anthony Bourdain were my two impactful deaths. So 369 00:20:56,440 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: thanks for letting me share. 370 00:20:58,040 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 1: Rock Corolla. You got it, Sam, I got to admit, man, 371 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:04,080 Speaker 1: you know, being from the Northeast, a sports fan, huge 372 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: sports fan, I didn't even realize that Tony Gwynn had died, 373 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: but I can relate. I remember, I remember, you know, 374 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,400 Speaker 1: Tony Gwinn had a special relationship with with Ted Williams. 375 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: Obviously they're from different generations, but Tony Gwinn's one of 376 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: the greatest hitters of all time and Ted Williams might 377 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 1: be the greatest hitter of all time, and he took 378 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,680 Speaker 1: a special interest in Tony Gwynn. I remember that as 379 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: being a Red Sox fan, and I remember, I remember, 380 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 1: you know, when Ted Williams died. It was non stop 381 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: coverage in Boston, and then of course all the stuff 382 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,119 Speaker 1: with his son who had since Pat who has since passed, 383 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: excuse me, and the whole thing with the what was 384 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:44,919 Speaker 1: going to happen to his body after death? That was 385 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: a whole other story. It reminds me might actually be 386 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: a good episode of disgrace and maybe I can work 387 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,399 Speaker 1: Tony Gwynn into that somehow. As for Anthony Bourdain, as 388 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: you can tell from the episode that I did on 389 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: Anthony Bourdain, I was obviously affected by his death as well. 390 00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: I'm guessing you've heard that, but if not, it is 391 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,719 Speaker 1: there for you in the feed. All right, let's check 392 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: out with the two oh six. 393 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:09,159 Speaker 4: Hi, this is Al calling out of Boston, responding to 394 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 4: what celebrity death affected me the most. I think that 395 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,000 Speaker 4: as I was listening to that episode, I kept on 396 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 4: thinking of Amy Winehouse. I mean, still tell this day, 397 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,560 Speaker 4: if I think too hard about it, it brings tears 398 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 4: to my eyes. We kind of I'll watched her slowly 399 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,919 Speaker 4: die in front of us, and such an extreme talent. 400 00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: All right, two six, Yeah, I mean the Amy Winehouse 401 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: one was big. I've talked about in the past, my 402 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 1: relationship to her music, and being able to see her 403 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 1: early early, early on. I saw her first shows in America, 404 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: some of them. Anyways, in the first week she was here, 405 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 1: first couple of weeks, and yeah, you kind of hit 406 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 1: it on the head. She kind of died. She was 407 00:22:49,960 --> 00:22:52,480 Speaker 1: dying in real time, right in front of us, and 408 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: just incredibly, incredibly sad. And wow, what a talent, unbelievable. 409 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 1: All right, let's do some texts here. The question I 410 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:04,880 Speaker 1: asked that will not quit from a couple after party 411 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 1: bonus episodes ago. I asked, which musicians do you think 412 00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: have the makeup? I asked this ingest, of course, just 413 00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:13,760 Speaker 1: don't get it twisted. It was a joke. I asked, 414 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: which musicians do you think could be serial killers? Based 415 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: on their vibe? And you, guys won't leave this one alone, 416 00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 1: and I don't blame you. It's a fun one four four, 417 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:28,560 Speaker 1: three rights in Paul Simon, definitely a serial killer. I 418 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:31,439 Speaker 1: don't know. Actually, has anyone heard from Edie Berkel lately? 419 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: I haven't all right? Three one six rights in, Hey, 420 00:23:33,720 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: Jason from Kansas. I think the greatest icons in history 421 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 1: will have to be the Beatles. And then Elvis, and 422 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: then maybe Merril Monroe, and if not, Michael Jackson. That's 423 00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 1: kind of a Mount rushmore right there, Beatles, Elvis, Meril Monroe, 424 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: Michael Jackson, maybe Madonna, probably not. Five one three rights 425 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: in first. I just discovered the show thanks to the 426 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: Red Handed podcast, and I love it. Love is all 427 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,879 Speaker 1: capital letters. Goes on to say here in the text, 428 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: as for a celebrity day, that impacted me Neil Pert 429 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 1: of Rush after reading his books, he reminded me so 430 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:07,639 Speaker 1: much of my father. Losing him was like losing my 431 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,240 Speaker 1: dad in some weird way. Wow. That's uh five to 432 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: one three, that's a heavy one. I don't know what's 433 00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 1: in Neil Pert's book, but you got me interested and 434 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: now I want to read it. Eight one four writes 435 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: in Personally, I was gutted when Chris Cornell died. I'm 436 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: a huge fan of his music and his voice, and 437 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: I kind of thought that he made it through the 438 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 1: roughest part of his life as far as drug use 439 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,080 Speaker 1: and mental health go, and I expected him to live 440 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: a long life. And I guess it goes to show 441 00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: that mental health can be something we have to deal 442 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: with for a lifetime. One day at a time eight 443 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: one to four. You are so so correct. Mental health 444 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: is something that has dealt with one day at a time. 445 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,680 Speaker 1: You're also correct about well at least I shared your 446 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,600 Speaker 1: belief that Chris Cornell had kind of made it through 447 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:56,119 Speaker 1: the dark days, the black days, I should say, and 448 00:24:56,160 --> 00:24:58,200 Speaker 1: we were both wrong. And you can hear about that 449 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 1: obviously in the Chris Cornell episode that is available right 450 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: now six one seven nine, six, six, six three eight, 451 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: voicemail and text. I want to know which of the 452 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 1: three conspiracy theories surrounding Marilyn Monroe's death you think is 453 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:15,680 Speaker 1: not conspiracy and is actually the truth. I also want 454 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,359 Speaker 1: to know what you make of this whole Diddy situation. 455 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: I'll be back in a flash. All right, we are back. 456 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,200 Speaker 1: And as I just mentioned and I mentioned at the 457 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,280 Speaker 1: top of the show as well, in addition to our 458 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 1: Marilyn Monroe episode this week, we also have a brand 459 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,720 Speaker 1: new episode on Chris Cornell that's available right now and 460 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,120 Speaker 1: you can go listen to it. But to do so, 461 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: you got to become a member of the Disgraceland All 462 00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: Access Clubs. The good news is that it is super 463 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: easy to become a member. Just go to disgracelandpod dot 464 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: com slash membership and sign up with a click of 465 00:25:57,240 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: the button. Five bucks a month is all it takes, 466 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: even less if you sign up for a year, it's 467 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: gonna get you some great perks like an exclusive, fully 468 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: scripted Disgraceland episode each month. Like I just mentioned, this 469 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: Chris Cornell episode is just that. I'm gonna preview it 470 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: for you right now here. You go. Check it out 471 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: a little taste of what you're missing over in Disgraceland 472 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 1: All Access. Nineteen eighty eight, twenty four year old Chris 473 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: Cornell was doing what he loved, hitting the road with 474 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,639 Speaker 1: his band, and they're Chevy America a blur outside the 475 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: window as they tore ass through Louisiana. Chris no longer 476 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: playing drums but singing lead his band Soundgarden, touring in 477 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,400 Speaker 1: support of Ultramega Okay, their full length debut on SST Records, 478 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 1: SST Come On, Man, are you kidding me? Black Flag, 479 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 1: the Minutemen, Poosker, Due, the Meat Puppets. They were all 480 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:53,560 Speaker 1: on SST. It was the coolest to d label going 481 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,520 Speaker 1: subpop was cool too, no doubt, and those guys were 482 00:26:56,520 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: Soundgarden's friends. But SST was SST, and they wanted Soundgarden. 483 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: They wanted Chris Cornell, but SST wasn't alone. Every record 484 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: label wanted to sign Soundgarden, every major label. And remember 485 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,959 Speaker 1: this is the late nineteen eighties, this is before the 486 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,880 Speaker 1: word grunge entered the lexicon, before Seattle became the new 487 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 1: Athens or Minneapolis. Chris Cornell and Soundgarden were that good 488 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: and they were that compelling. But unlike most bands eager 489 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: to make that jump to the big time, Soundgarden knew 490 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: they weren't quite ready yet. Chris Cornell had the wisdom 491 00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: and the foresight at just twenty four years old, to 492 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: know that he needed more time, and not a defined 493 00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 1: amount of time. It could be weeks or months, or 494 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: even years. But the point was to wait until the 495 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:48,119 Speaker 1: industry needed them, not the other way around, because if 496 00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: Chris Cornell signed with major label A and M Records 497 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: at this moment, he knew he would be forced to change, 498 00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:58,080 Speaker 1: forced to sacrifice his authenticity, which at this point was 499 00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: a polished hybrid of metal, hard and psychedelic rock, wholly 500 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: unique to the split camps of punk and hair metal 501 00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: dominating Seattle at the time, and again I'm not saying 502 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: that by turning down A and M. Chris Cornell, the 503 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 1: guys in Soundgarden were turning down the opportunity to make 504 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: a hit record, being authentic and being a huge star 505 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: not mutually exclusive. Chris was turning down the notion of 506 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,680 Speaker 1: selling out. As Soundgarden went to the big time before 507 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: they were ready, before the industry was ready, they would 508 00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: fail and they'd never have a hit. The hits would 509 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: come and due time. The way that they wanted This 510 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:38,719 Speaker 1: particular strategy wasn't just Chris's idea. It was recommended by 511 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: Chris's girlfriend at the time, Susan Silver, who also happened 512 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: to be Soundgarden's manager. The strategy worked. It allowed Soundgarden 513 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: to retain their indie credibility. Then it got them in 514 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: with the SST crowd far beyond the borders of Seattle, 515 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 1: and it only made the majors want the band more, 516 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: just like everyone else did. But you can't please them all, 517 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: particularly members of law enforcement here in Louisiana who assumed 518 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: that your long hair, Washington state plates, and buttholes surfers 519 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: bumper sticker on the back of your van equaled probable 520 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: cause Soundgardens drummer Matt Cameron was behind the wheel when 521 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: he saw the blue lights in the rear view mirror. 522 00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:21,760 Speaker 1: He didn't panic. He knew the band was clean, cleaner 523 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: than your average rock band. Only their sound guy Hallerman 524 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: was holding and that tiny bit of weed was stashed 525 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 1: safely inside his toolkit. Matt pulled over, the cops walked up. 526 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: Chris got a good look, dark sunglasses, big guns and 527 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: their badges. Not local police, not troopers. DA all right. 528 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,920 Speaker 1: That was a clip from our brand new episode on 529 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,280 Speaker 1: Chris Cornell, which you can hear right now by going 530 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: to disgracelampod dot com slash membership and signing up for 531 00:29:55,600 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: Disgraceland All Access. There you will also find lusive episodes 532 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: on Hunter, S, Thompson, Lane Staley and Pasquat. They're waiting 533 00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 1: for you right now. Plus we got another new exclusive 534 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,120 Speaker 1: episode every single month. 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