1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,160 Speaker 1: My pappy said, son, you're gonna drive me to drinking 2 00:00:02,200 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: if you don't stop driving out hot rod Lincoln. Ronan 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 1: and I found some sludge, some debris in the screen, 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: not necessarily debris, just you know, schmutz. You know what 5 00:00:12,640 --> 00:00:15,159 Speaker 1: schmutz is. You gotta be from the Jersey, New York. No, 6 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: it's not Tom's looking at Tony. No, it's not Tony. 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 1: That's another word. That car doctor makes sure you're using 8 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: group quality stuff, because as simple as you may think 9 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: your vehicle is, nothing's that simple anymore. 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Podcasting at tune 20 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 1: in I heart iTunes. All the good usual places, usual 21 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: good places, good usual places, same thing. Who's on first, 22 00:01:09,560 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: what's on second? I don't know, same as you. Anyway, 23 00:01:12,760 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: here we are at eight five zero nine nine zero 24 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:17,399 Speaker 1: zero to take your calls and answer your questions, and 25 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,399 Speaker 1: we look forward to another lively hour of exchange about 26 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:22,640 Speaker 1: automobiles and the problems that you're having with them. So 27 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: please feel free give us a call. And keep in 28 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: mind if you're podcasting this radio show, you don't have 29 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: to you know, we don't have to be live in 30 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: your market where Saturday afternoons two to four pm Eastern time, 31 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:34,759 Speaker 1: and you can call eight five five five six zero 32 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: nine zero zero and either leave a message or call 33 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: us during showtime. And we may not be in your 34 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: market at that point, maybe in an affiliate taking it 35 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: on delay, maybe in a podcast, maybe in the South 36 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: of Australia. And yeah, we have callers there too, We 37 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: have listeners there too, and um, you know we can 38 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: talk to about your car problem. It doesn't matter, so 39 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: feel free pick up the phone. Some repairs take a 40 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: long time, do you notice that I do? Some are 41 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 1: payers take a lot of research. Two thousand eight Chevy 42 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: HHR been fighting this battle for about two and a 43 00:02:08,560 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: half years now. The car will go about fifteen sixteen 44 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: thousand miles and then warped the front breake rotors. No 45 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:20,440 Speaker 1: matter what we do, haven't been able to resolve. But 46 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:22,600 Speaker 1: it's not it's not in the hubs. It's not it's 47 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: not a bearing issue. They dial indicate everything. Dial indicates 48 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:29,760 Speaker 1: nice and pretty. And the only conclusion we can come 49 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,680 Speaker 1: to is because it is an h h R LT 50 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: panel version meaning that it carries weight, is that the 51 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: breaking system is under capacity. It just doesn't quite meet 52 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:46,160 Speaker 1: the limit. And the owner is the owner is He's normal, 53 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 1: he's rational, he gets it. He's not trying to kill it. 54 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: And I don't believe he's putting concrete block in the 55 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 1: back of this He's a cabinet maker and he's putting 56 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,400 Speaker 1: kitchen cabinets and those kinds of things in there. And 57 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: it's not that I believe he's really overweight in the vehicle. 58 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: How to do the brakes again this week, and you know, 59 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: pretty much the same things I've been seeing. Part of 60 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 1: it is, part of this problem has been that the 61 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: brake rotors are de laminating and just rotting away. And 62 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: I blame that on the use of the chemicals were 63 00:03:19,440 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: putting down because if we get one snow snowflake, we 64 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: get fourteen thousand tons of of calcium chloride in that 65 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: one spot because we have to kill everything, even though 66 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: we're an all wheel drive traction control, self driving, self 67 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: motoring vehicles, um, which is kind of ridiculous at this 68 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: point in the game. But I do notice that the 69 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 1: rotors are are de laminated, and this time they were 70 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: really bad. The inside face was not only delaminated, but 71 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: it was also grooved. It had three specific grooves in it. 72 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: I don't know where the groups came from. I'm thinking 73 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 1: it was the compound of the brake pad itself, but 74 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: they were clearly beat up. And then an answer came 75 00:03:57,720 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: in a sort of an unexpected way. I ordered replacement 76 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: rotors and the catalog wasn't clear. I didn't notice it 77 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: at first. Uh. The catalog description was additional fitment additional 78 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 1: fitment rear, and I took that as the rotor part 79 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: number I was using was meaning that it would also 80 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: work on the rear of the vehicle. No, the the 81 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: description in the catalog was such that when it said 82 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,000 Speaker 1: additional fitment, it meant that on a four wheel break 83 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: rotor vehicle, these are the rotors you would use. Well, 84 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: long story short, the rotors that I ended up using, 85 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,279 Speaker 1: or the first set of rotors that were wrong. We're 86 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:47,200 Speaker 1: better than twenty almost twenty bigger in diameter than the 87 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: rotors I was putting on. And I sat and I 88 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:54,040 Speaker 1: thought to myself, why is that? You know, why would 89 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: you make something bigger on a four wheel discard? My 90 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 1: understanding has always been that a disc brake car, by 91 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: virtue of design, a disc brake system is more efficient 92 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,480 Speaker 1: than a drum brake disc brake system, and therefore it 93 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 1: doesn't need to be you know, it doesn't have to 94 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: be made bigger just for that reason. Or is it 95 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 1: because it's a performance application? And is that more of 96 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: what they're trying to accomplish? And I didn't have that answer, 97 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: and I still don't have that answer. I We'll tell 98 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 1: you this that some repairs take longer than others. The 99 00:05:25,839 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 1: back brakes on this HHR are adjusted up, We put 100 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: a fresh set of rotors on it, changed the pads, 101 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: loubed everything, put everything in its place, use some nice 102 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:37,479 Speaker 1: silicon stickum on the slides that they'll work like they're 103 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: supposed to. And of course obviously it went down the 104 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: road and they were fixed now for the time being. 105 00:05:46,360 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: The interesting thing to me was not just the size 106 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,559 Speaker 1: of the rotors, but the fact that I've been through 107 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: four major brands of brake rotor and have yet to 108 00:05:54,640 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: find one that works. So obviously it's the vehicle. Could 109 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: it be the prop valve? I don't see how the 110 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:05,960 Speaker 1: vehicle stops normal. It doesn't nos dive, it stops squaring straight. 111 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 1: You know where the rear breaks out of adjustment. Yeah, 112 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: a little bit. Um, there was a problem there. They 113 00:06:12,120 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 1: were slightly off. But this car in the last since 114 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: it hit the sixty sixty five thousand mile mark, in 115 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 1: the last three years, this car is cooking rotors every 116 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: fifteen thousand miles. And um, I'm watching things very carefully, 117 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 1: trying to sort it out. So it's not always that easy, folks, 118 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: And it's not always that clear cut. And that's the 119 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 1: whole point here. Sometimes it's a process and it just 120 00:06:32,680 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 1: takes time to get through it. You just gotta have 121 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 1: the I guess, the tenacity. You gotta want to get 122 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: through it. It's um. Someone once said to me that 123 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 1: the the important part about fixing cars is you have 124 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,039 Speaker 1: to want to fix it, and you know, what I 125 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:47,360 Speaker 1: never forgot that that was a lesson from a mentor 126 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 1: early on. And um, it's true. It's like anything else 127 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: in life. You gotta wanna, and I always think it 128 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: that way. You gotta wanna otherwise you're never going to 129 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 1: And UM, we'll leave it there. Stay tuned. I'll keep 130 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:02,520 Speaker 1: you updated as it goes along. Nine zero. You're on 131 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: with ronaldating in the car doctor, Let's go and talk 132 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: to Jerry and Westchester. Oh four jeep grand Cherokee and 133 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,600 Speaker 1: some banging going on. Jerry, Welcome to the car, doctor, sir, 134 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: how can I help? Hey, ron thanks for taking my call. 135 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 1: You welcome. Um, I have a four grand Cherokey Overland 136 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 1: has the tool of climate control. So actually I shut 137 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: the engine off and the ignition off. And I just 138 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,240 Speaker 1: found this because I haven't had the problemed by the car. 139 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: All of a sudden, I hear clicking, like the more 140 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 1: activators are closing, right, They're still moving, They're still moving right. 141 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 1: I had done the reset on it, trying to think 142 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: maybe I had to reset the control unit. But I'm 143 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: still getting that noise. My impression of that generally when 144 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: I see that, Jerry, if memory serves me, correct, it's 145 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: been a while since I've seen an O four. Is 146 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: that it's the actuator itself. The actuator is looking for 147 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: home and it can't find and it's it's it's trying 148 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: to self adjust itself. UM. You know, have you do 149 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: you have any access for scan tool technology or anything 150 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: like that? Can we can you can you self drive 151 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: the actuators and see if they'll sweep and report back 152 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: with accuracy. You know, I could probably see if my 153 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: uh my scan tool can do that. Um. You know, 154 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: there's also they've also had some problems with this. You know, 155 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: there's there's common problems with broken actualator. I mean, if 156 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 1: you're researching, you've probably seen this broken actuators and broken 157 00:08:33,040 --> 00:08:37,240 Speaker 1: linkage and uh um creating problems like that too. They had, 158 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:39,719 Speaker 1: they had more than a few problems with these with 159 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: these assemblies. As a matter of fact, Chrysler issued a 160 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: new subassembly for the actuators of ways Back that allows 161 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 1: you to replace them uh linkage and all linkage housing 162 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 1: the whole schmir um. The bulleting you may want to read. 163 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've seen any bulletins yet, but 164 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 1: the bulleting you may want to read is twenty four 165 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: double O two ten and it talks about this. It 166 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 1: talks about a new heating ventilation subassembly to replace the 167 00:09:07,040 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 1: blend or or the reshark door components. Now keep in 168 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: mind to to do any of this. UM, I hope 169 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: you'll like, you know, I hope you've got tenacity, young man, 170 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: and you got some gumption because you're gonna pull the 171 00:09:19,200 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 1: dashboard out to do this. Okay, Yes, I had gotten 172 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:27,839 Speaker 1: the bund doors. Uh, there was a kid that you 173 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: can cut through, and I have changed that. That kid 174 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: was put in at probably about a year or two ago. Um, yeah, 175 00:09:36,840 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: and you know it. Maybe you know I like those kids, 176 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 1: I'm not crazy about him. In the case of this jeep, 177 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: I probably use them myself, just because it's it's a 178 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:47,040 Speaker 1: it's a lot of work to pull that dash cluster off. 179 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: And you know, the argument can be made that on 180 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: some of these dashes you're pulling the dashboard off on. 181 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,320 Speaker 1: At the time it was ten now it's twelve years old, 182 00:09:56,840 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: and how many plastic things are you going to break 183 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: trying to you know, trying to take so you know, 184 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 1: where's where's that balance? It's it becomes that Um, if 185 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:09,560 Speaker 1: you can if you cut through to get to the 186 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:11,679 Speaker 1: actuators put on, and you know, if they did the kit, 187 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: then chances are I bet if you open up the 188 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: glove box you should be able to see one of 189 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: those actuators on that side. Is it coming from the 190 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: right side of the left side of the dish? It 191 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: sounds like right from the center of it, like almost 192 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: from the right behind the control unit itself. Why don't 193 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: you just for giggles, because maybe it's neither one. Why 194 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: don't you open up the glove box, take it down 195 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:34,280 Speaker 1: off its hinges. You can probably see around or maybe 196 00:10:34,360 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 1: with a mirror, maybe you can see in there what's 197 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: going on before you. Um absolutely open this up and 198 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: go any further. But I would tend to think it's 199 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: the actuators trying to find home, so to speak. Now 200 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: keep in mind this may not be tempor related. This 201 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: maybe up his door position. Also, you know the frost 202 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: vent floor, et cetera. So does it do it in 203 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: all positions, of of of all the of all the choices, 204 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:05,120 Speaker 1: it's odd It only does it from when I shut 205 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: the car off and the car has been sitting for 206 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: about a minute. That's when I start hearing the noises. Well, no, 207 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,280 Speaker 1: by that, I mean does it do it when you? Um, 208 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: you know, is the air conditioning? Is the heating system off? 209 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: Is it in a specific mode? Is it to the frost? 210 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: Is it to vent? Uh? No, it's off completely. Mhm. 211 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: Then I want to know the cognition as well. No, no, 212 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 1: not the car. I'm saying that, but the heating system 213 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,080 Speaker 1: is off. Oh it doesn't. It doesn't know I noticed. 214 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: I haven't noticed. I've ran it through his cycles for 215 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: the other ones and I haven't noticed what anything else. Okay. 216 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:47,280 Speaker 1: So so in other words, you've got the heating air 217 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,720 Speaker 1: conditioning system off the cars driving down the road. You 218 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:51,959 Speaker 1: shut the car off, and a minute later it starts 219 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,320 Speaker 1: to make the banging noise. Correct from the actuators, that 220 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 1: sounds like it. Yes, okay, then you've got to verify it, 221 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: all right, Um you know that's that's the next step. 222 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,120 Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's it's it's not likely. It's very likely. 223 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of strange things, and usually in 224 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: a case like this, it's they're trying to find home position. So, 225 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 1: but I would be willing to bet you might be 226 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 1: able to see something looking in through the glove box. Um, 227 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:19,440 Speaker 1: you've got to be able to see something. How did 228 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: they put the kid in if they didn't take the 229 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: dash out? If they took the dash out to put 230 00:12:23,520 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: the kid in, then you know had had what was 231 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 1: the point in putting the kid? Right? Right? Uh? The 232 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: Blendors we were bad. Actually, I had brought it to you. 233 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: Oh I know who this is? Okay, yeah, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. 234 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 1: So that was a while ago. My gosh, was that 235 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:48,440 Speaker 1: every four years ago? Probably? Uh four years ago? Yeah, 236 00:12:48,480 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: probably not three years ago, and had gotten the engine 237 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: rebuilt and transmission as well. So yeah, who ended up 238 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: doing the engine in that? For you? Jerry? It was 239 00:13:00,600 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: down at eddies Um down in South Jersey and um, 240 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: I can't get the name of the town now. It's 241 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:09,199 Speaker 1: it's amazing how far you had to go to get 242 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: an engine rebuilt, isn't it. There was no one else 243 00:13:11,720 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: around that was doing it. And at least when I 244 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: talked to him he would do he would pull the engine, 245 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: take everything out, put it back in together. And you know, 246 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: I had talked to him a while back because it 247 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: was the same thing. You know, you're trying to find 248 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: someone that's good with it, and uh, he convinced me. 249 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: You know, he was showing me everything he was doing 250 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,199 Speaker 1: with it. He balanced the engine UM and he stood 251 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: by it. There they had gotten the trans rebuilt UM 252 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 1: and it ended up at the voul body crack and 253 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: I had to bring it back down to him and 254 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: he stood by. He pulled the trans put it, getting 255 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: me trans put into it as well. So you can't 256 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:52,200 Speaker 1: ask for more than that. Start looking at the actuators here, Jerry, 257 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: I gotta go him up against the clock. But start 258 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: looking at the actuators. I'm betting you've got one that's 259 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: not finding home. And UM, if you need me, call me. Alright, sir, 260 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: take good care. Zero. We're back right after this. Welcome back. 261 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: We're on the end of the car doctor, rolling along 262 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,840 Speaker 1: this saw. Let's go over to bread in Colorado. Oh 263 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: for gmc envoy bred. Welcome to the car doctor, sir. 264 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: How can I help him? I've got a two thousand 265 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:25,200 Speaker 1: for gmc envoy XL. And I have a really weird 266 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: um intermittent noise that kind of goes and you know, 267 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: I've swerved just if that does something. I've hit my 268 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: brakes to see if that does something. And it doesn't. 269 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't change, but it's really intermittent. Like today, I've 270 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 1: driven eighty miles and hasn't done it at all. Um, 271 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: do you hear from the front of the vehicle, back 272 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: of the vehicles? It seems like it's from the back left, 273 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 1: left side, right side, Yes, the left side. When you 274 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: when you hear it, have you tried gently keyword gently 275 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: apply in the parking break? No, you know, obviously, Yeah, 276 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: I just you know, I want you to be a 277 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: little cautious how you do it, just because you know, 278 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 1: putting the break on. Um when it when it does it, 279 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,920 Speaker 1: I'll slow down and try that. You know. The only 280 00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: thing I'm thinking about is is there a rust ridge 281 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 1: on the inside of the rotor face where the shoes 282 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: are sitting? And is the rust ridge getting so pronounced? 283 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 1: And now it's you know that type of a sound. Yeah, 284 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:39,080 Speaker 1: And is it? Is it that or is it the 285 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: Is it the dust shield? You know there's a dust shield. 286 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: If you put this up in the air and look, 287 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,160 Speaker 1: there's a dust shield that that protects the interface of 288 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 1: the rotor from road, road harshness, road salt and de 289 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: brie and so forth. Um, is it that shield that 290 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 1: has rotted away, and every once in a while it 291 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: kind of rubs up against the rotor and you know, 292 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 1: because how how how how blistering rusty are the rotor 293 00:16:06,840 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 1: in the shield? Okay, okay um, I'd be about this. 294 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: I thought this used and it's got a hundred eighty 295 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: seven thousand miles on it and I'm not sure where 296 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: it's from, but it seemed like it might be from, 297 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: you know, a softy climate or something that tail light 298 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,600 Speaker 1: out there are some breast in there, yeah, the rust belt. 299 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: So you know, have you have you have access to 300 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,600 Speaker 1: a lift bread can you can you get it up 301 00:16:32,640 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 1: in the air and see if you can get buddies 302 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: and we could put it up there. You know, I would, yeah, 303 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,160 Speaker 1: and I would. I would just look, I said, I 304 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 1: would be looking at that dust shield. I would, you know. 305 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: And obviously when I tell you to put the parking 306 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: break on, do it slowly. I understand. Y. Yeah, we 307 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: don't want you, we don't want to yank you. Listen 308 00:16:50,960 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 1: because you know that's I'll tell you what. That's how 309 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: I learned how to drive on snow and ice. Somebody 310 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: took me out to a big park a lot when 311 00:16:56,960 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: I was a kid. And they said, what you know, 312 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 1: you turn in the direction of the of the skin 313 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:03,480 Speaker 1: And I said, well, we're not skinning. They said we 314 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: are now, and they pulled up on the emergency brake 315 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: and the back end came around. Let me tell you, 316 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:09,320 Speaker 1: I learned how to drive on snow and ice real quick. 317 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: That thing. Um it was a good I kind of 318 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: learned how to drive up snow and ice too. Is 319 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:17,959 Speaker 1: drown out in the grants parking a lot in Ipsolani, Michigan. 320 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: I don't know I see parking lot. Yeah. Well, well welcome, 321 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,920 Speaker 1: welcome to the driving population, right brother, Uh, it makes 322 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:32,200 Speaker 1: it interesting. So yeah, and well I've got one other 323 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: problem with it. Um My my air conditioning. Right before 324 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 1: summer hit, it quit blowing out of the uh you know, 325 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: air conditioning holes. And the only way I keep it 326 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: cool is, um put it on you know, defrost and 327 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: and and blow out by your feet. And it's it's 328 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: got one of those um, you know, individual thermostat control units. 329 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: So this has this has automatic temp control. Yes, okay, 330 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 1: this has automatic temp control for left and right side. Yes, okay, 331 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: And um you're saying it only blows out through the 332 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:19,720 Speaker 1: defroster ducks through the eater duck on the floor and 333 00:18:19,800 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: the defroster. It cool and got bad. But right when 334 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 1: you get it to your buddy's shop, have them pull 335 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: some codes out of the BCM, the body computer in 336 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: the h v A C system. I'm thinking you've got 337 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: an actuator door issue. Then give me a call back 338 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 1: and let me know what the results are. I'm not 339 00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:39,320 Speaker 1: an any of the card Doctor. We're back right after 340 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 1: this Welcome back. We're on the end of card Doctor. 341 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: Five zero nine zero. But you knew that, didn't you. 342 00:18:54,800 --> 00:18:58,919 Speaker 1: That's seven number we've had all these years. Zero nine 343 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,000 Speaker 1: zero zero. GI us a call, I leave a message. 344 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:02,280 Speaker 1: If we're not here, we'll get back to you. Put 345 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,800 Speaker 1: you up on air talking about your car problem. Speaking 346 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:06,360 Speaker 1: of car problem, let's go over to talk to Joe 347 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: and Tallahassee, Florida. Oh seven Chevy Silverado. I guess that is, 348 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: and some detonation problems. Joe, Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir. 349 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: How can I help? Yeah, I've got the truck that 350 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 1: two thousand seven, bought it from my stepfather and it's 351 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: got high miles. It's got like two thirty thousand miles 352 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: on it. One of the first things I noticed when 353 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: I got to last year was if I put eight 354 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 1: seven in it, it would detonate as soon as I 355 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:37,920 Speaker 1: tipped in on the gas. Some light detonation. Now I've 356 00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:42,400 Speaker 1: strictly run ninety three in the truck and it does help. 357 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,159 Speaker 1: But when the if I kind of get in the 358 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: gas or put my foot through the headlight as you 359 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: like to say, um, when it hits about three thousand rpm, 360 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 1: that'll start detonating heavy. So it's kind of, you know, 361 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:00,240 Speaker 1: just quit driving the truck hard, kind of baby in it. 362 00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,040 Speaker 1: But listen to your podcast. I thought i'd give you 363 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:05,200 Speaker 1: a ring and see what you thought about it. Automatic 364 00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: or stick Joe automatic. There's a document and you know, 365 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to tell you to go through the normal diagnostics. 366 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: You know, spark plugs, heat range, missfire issues, look at 367 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: fuel trim. I'm gonna tell you to go through all 368 00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: that and hopefully somebody's done that. You know, No, no 369 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: conversation about paying and detonation would be complete. Also unless 370 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: we talked about carbon deposits and the issues that they 371 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,560 Speaker 1: can cause. All right, maybe we should, maybe we should. 372 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: I should ask you that question. Have you considered carbon 373 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: as a source and possibly a cause, yes, sir, I 374 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: have UM, I'll tell you I don't o e m 375 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: plugs and wires. UM didn't really change anything, misfires and 376 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: fuel trims. I am pretty versed in that. I have 377 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 1: a little all sale dongle, and uh, I just wanted 378 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: to kind of be quick because I know we're at 379 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:58,639 Speaker 1: the end of the show here. I do sometimes the 380 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 1: truck just idols right up occasionally, and it will count 381 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: a few misfires on just random cylinders when it does that. 382 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:13,879 Speaker 1: But I'm not sure if that's related or not. Um, 383 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,480 Speaker 1: what the truck does. These trucks seem to suck a 384 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:22,119 Speaker 1: lot of oil through the PCB lines, and UM, I 385 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 1: noticed that because they cleaned the throat of body and 386 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 1: I saw oil and the intake and I thought, oh 387 00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: my gosh, you know, and so I did put a 388 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: little separator on it. And I get about a teaspoon 389 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,680 Speaker 1: of oil every hundred miles or so that it's collecting 390 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: kind of about maybe I read somewhere that oil can 391 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, reduce soctane? Well, the big well, the bigger 392 00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 1: problem is is the is the truck using oil? Joe, 393 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,720 Speaker 1: are you not? Are you adding between changes? Nope, Okay, 394 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: as long as it's not consuming oil, because then oil 395 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: and a combustion chamber will make carbon. Let's do let's 396 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 1: do two things, all right, humor the old guy. Let's 397 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: go out. Do you have an Orillyoto Parts near you? 398 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: All right, let's get over to O'Riley and Orillyoto Parts 399 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: and let's pick up a can of Barryman Fuel System cleaner. 400 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 1: All right, Let's let's start with that. Alright, Let's let's 401 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,919 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about you know, carbon deposits two 402 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: thousand plus miles, you know, carbon build up on the valves, 403 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: causing an intermittent misfire, sticky valve, that type of thing. 404 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 1: Berryman Fuel Systems. I believe it's Berryman's dot com or 405 00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: Berryman fuel Systems dot com. Um, I don't remember the 406 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,800 Speaker 1: website at the top of my head. But good stuff 407 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: you can get out of Rallyoto Parts. Let's let's do that. 408 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: Do you have a source for GM service information? Just Google? Okay, 409 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: now you know what, Send me an email Ron at 410 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: Car Doctor Show dot com because there's a piece of 411 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 1: service information from GM. And this one's gonna kind of 412 00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: blow your mind. That describes what you're talking about. Poor 413 00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 1: acceleration from a stop sign and or detonation in gear. Right, 414 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,840 Speaker 1: that's kind of what you've got, not for acceleration. Truck 415 00:23:03,920 --> 00:23:08,160 Speaker 1: runs good. Well, it's and or all right, so it's 416 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: it's what it's you know, could be both, it could 417 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: be one or the other. And what they talk about 418 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: is problems in the automatic transmission affecting how the engine 419 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:22,320 Speaker 1: is operating. And you know, if if you know, what's 420 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 1: that old saying, if you if you eliminate the obvious, 421 00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:28,359 Speaker 1: the only thing left is the solution. So I'm just 422 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:30,240 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to get through it one step at 423 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: a time. If you've done the plugs and wires, and 424 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 1: if we're gonna say, well it's not carbon and obviously 425 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: there's there's no timing to adjust here. Um, we've got 426 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,920 Speaker 1: to start to think outside the box. So there's there's 427 00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:44,159 Speaker 1: there's a process. I ran into this once about a 428 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 1: year ago, and the document did help me fix that vehicle, 429 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 1: all right. And one quick question about the Berriman's I've 430 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: heard you talking about it and I did a little research. 431 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: Is there any problem because this truck I might only 432 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: use ten gallons in two weeks because it sits at 433 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:05,240 Speaker 1: home mostly just kind of my weekend truck. Is there 434 00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,400 Speaker 1: any problem with that sitting in the tank for that long? 435 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: I think or anything? No, I don't. I don't see 436 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: that as an issue. I if it is, I don't 437 00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: think they could sell it, to be honest with you, Joe, 438 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,360 Speaker 1: because because I've tried all the other kinds of I've ran, 439 00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: I've ran spoone through the truck, I've run the chevron 440 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:29,560 Speaker 1: because supposedly that has the best a stuff whatever. Nothing 441 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 1: really seems to help. But I'll try the Barriman hurt anything, 442 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: might as well try one more right, it really can't hurt. 443 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: But you know, I think you may have two problems, 444 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: which is my other part of this conversation. Um, you know, 445 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 1: you may have two problems in that if you're sitting 446 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:49,480 Speaker 1: there and it starts to chuggle and run rough, you 447 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: might have carbon deposits. You might have a stickier problem injector. 448 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:56,439 Speaker 1: And then you've got this detonation, which is a separate 449 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:00,480 Speaker 1: issue one to itself. So you know, and I hate 450 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: to throw a wrench into the conversation. How people do that? 451 00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: They give you this last little bit of information, get 452 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,240 Speaker 1: mad at him. Um, this my stepdad had a tune 453 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,479 Speaker 1: or like a Diablo tune or on it. And um, 454 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: I always wondered if that thing kind of messed the 455 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 1: computer up. But we got from Diablo what was supposedly 456 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:23,399 Speaker 1: the stock tune, put it back in the truck and 457 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 1: made absolutely no difference. Well, let me ask you to think. Well, 458 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,120 Speaker 1: I was gonna say, do you think do you think 459 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: that you really got back the stock tune. Did it 460 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,119 Speaker 1: make a difference, Did it make a difference in how 461 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 1: the truck ran? It didn't do anything different at all. 462 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,399 Speaker 1: So then I've got to wonder do you have the 463 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,159 Speaker 1: stock tune in there or do you have the performance 464 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 1: tune in there? And yeah, even with the performance tune 465 00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,680 Speaker 1: is supposed to be and I'm run ninety three, I 466 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 1: can even put octane boost in there and it's still well, 467 00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: then here are the Wait a minute, how about this, Joe, 468 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:05,440 Speaker 1: do you still have the Diablo tuner? Okay, so you're 469 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,040 Speaker 1: supposed to be able to dial those back. You're supposed 470 00:26:08,080 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 1: to be able to make those what you want. If 471 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 1: you make that Diablo tune run on eight seven, no difference, 472 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,840 Speaker 1: no difference, then then you've got a problem with the truck. Okay, Yeah, 473 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: That's why I call it out, thinking, should I take 474 00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: it into GM and have them put back the latest 475 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 1: and greatest tune for that truck like this, somehow this 476 00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:32,080 Speaker 1: tuner over right and screw up the timing. No, and 477 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: I don't see I don't see that. However, in all fairness, 478 00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,240 Speaker 1: you're trying to solve a problem. You know, for every 479 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 1: time we had a piece of something to a problem, 480 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 1: we now increase the circumference of the circle of solutions. 481 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, I would like to start by working with 482 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 1: a stock tune, or at least change the tune. You know. 483 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:55,879 Speaker 1: I had a call the first hour today about a 484 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 1: fellow from Hawaii with a problem in a corvette and 485 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:01,439 Speaker 1: door jam courtesy lights come on. They weren't working from 486 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: the left side, but they were working from the right, 487 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: and he was doing a series of tests. And my 488 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:08,119 Speaker 1: suggestion was, what you're doing to the left and seeing 489 00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 1: how the system responds, do it from the right. Let's 490 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: see what kind of information can we gain by seeing 491 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: how the system works when it's allegedly correct and solid. 492 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 1: So the same thing to you. If you can put 493 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: the stock tune back in easily enough, put the stock 494 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: tune back in the fact that putting a Diabolo tune 495 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,239 Speaker 1: in at eight seven made no difference tells me it's 496 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,919 Speaker 1: not with the Diablo tune. Tells me that the problem 497 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 1: was within the vehicle. And then we got to go 498 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,719 Speaker 1: through the diagnosis the way we're talking about it, one 499 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: piece at a time. Don't forget Joe. Send me an 500 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,120 Speaker 1: email Ron at Car Doctors Show dot com. I'll send 501 00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: you down a copy of that internal GM document about 502 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:48,360 Speaker 1: picking and detonation from acceleration eight five zero nine zero. 503 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 1: The Car Doctors coming back right after this welcome back. 504 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,680 Speaker 1: We need the card doctor at zero nine zero zero. 505 00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: By the way, you know, as um as we were 506 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: just talking to Joe and tallahassee if anybody else they 507 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:06,560 Speaker 1: got a car problem. I can't say I answer every 508 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,879 Speaker 1: email I try. UM, it might be a point of 509 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,119 Speaker 1: contact to bring you up here on on screen, on 510 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,880 Speaker 1: on stage on the national audience level and uh talk 511 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: to you about your car problem that way. But you 512 00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 1: can send an email to Ron at Car Doctor Show 513 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 1: dot com and um we'll put you in the queue 514 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: and the whole idea is to get you up here 515 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: on phone so that as we talk about your car problem, 516 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 1: others learn from it. And that's what this radio shows about, 517 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,359 Speaker 1: because you know, you can't always feed everybody. You have 518 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: to teach a man to fish. As the Bible sometimes says, 519 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: always says, let's uh, i'd you like that? Hey? Boys? 520 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 1: Was that smooth? Huh? Kind of little biblical terms? So 521 00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: I know I love you guys too. They're they're they're 522 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: killing me today, folks, Let's go and talk to Alex 523 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: and Iowa seven Honda Odyssey hundred five thousand miles on 524 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 1: it just broken in and wants to service the cooling system. Alex, 525 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to the car doctor, sir. How can I help? Yes, yes, 526 00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: thank you for taking my call. Um. Yeah, like you said, 527 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: we just got the vehicle, so I don't have any 528 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: records as to what's been done. Um, so I thought 529 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 1: coolant blush and even a transmission flush would be appropriate. 530 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: And of course the Honda manual calls for type two 531 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:22,440 Speaker 1: Honda specific fluid for the coolant. And I did some 532 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: Google search and I got about every answer you can imagine, 533 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,680 Speaker 1: and so ILL called the car doctor to what he said. 534 00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,080 Speaker 1: I think the easy answer is do you have an 535 00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 1: o'reillyoto parts by you? Yes? You do? Okay? So just 536 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 1: get down there and ask him telling you want Honda 537 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: specific coolant. You know, in the shop, I stock eleven 538 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,440 Speaker 1: different kinds of cooling and Honda Honda Blue is one 539 00:29:47,480 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 1: of them. Um, in all likelihood, this is going to 540 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:54,960 Speaker 1: be Honda Blue. Somewhere around model year, Honda came out 541 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: with different cooling for some of the other model vehicles 542 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,240 Speaker 1: they have. It's actually a in your rated coolant that 543 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 1: should be five year rated coolant, and Honda Blue is 544 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,520 Speaker 1: what I believe it to be. That being said as 545 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 1: and I like the multi coolant coolants, you know, the 546 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 1: press stones, and you know, as long as it's a 547 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: name brand. Again, it's like buying oil, you're buying engineering. 548 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 1: But O'Reilly will have O'Reilly Ota Parts will have what works. 549 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 1: They'll they'll tell you, yes, this works for that vehicle, 550 00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 1: which is one of the nice things. They're one of 551 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: the few parts stores left, parts houses left that I 552 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: have faith in that will actually guide you to the 553 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,120 Speaker 1: right thing. Um, the guy wasn't flipping Hamburgers yesterday and 554 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: standing behind the parts counter today. Uh so, you know important. 555 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: It doesn't have to be Honda. There are more than 556 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 1: a few manufacturers out there making Honda specific coolant. I 557 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,120 Speaker 1: think regardless though, Alex, you know, the best answer I 558 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 1: can give you is it's gonna be It's not gonna 559 00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: be cheap. The Honda stuff tends to run a bit 560 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: of money, and I think that's probably because that Honda, 561 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: in their infinite wisdom to make sure that you quote 562 00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:02,360 Speaker 1: unquote you something proper with erect ingredients only the licenses. 563 00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: It's all about the money, right brother. It comes back 564 00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: to that. Um. You know it's it's you're gonna use 565 00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: the correct ingredients, so it is not the hurt the vehicle. 566 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: So but you know you'll you'll do it once and 567 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: it will be good for four or five years, and 568 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 1: then you'll do it again. If you still have the 569 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: car um trans fluid. I wouldn't do a flush. I 570 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: do a drain and fill. I would also be very 571 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: careful to look and see what the condition of the 572 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 1: fluid is before I do it, and make sure when 573 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: you're checking level on that trans you're doing it correctly. 574 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: If memory serves correct, it should be warmed up and 575 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: shut off all right now. Some of them they're warmed 576 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: up in neutral. Some of them they're warmed up and off. 577 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: And I believe that's a warmed up and off check 578 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: on that vehicle. But just make sure you follow a 579 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 1: specific procedure. You can find it in the owner's manular 580 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,800 Speaker 1: service information. And I wouldn't do a flush. I would 581 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: just do a drain and fill. It'll take about three 582 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: and a half maybe before quarts of fluid, and again 583 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 1: handa specific fluid it me too, will make trans fluid 584 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,480 Speaker 1: for that O'reillyota parts should have that as well, EMTSU. 585 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, it's interesting I had a 586 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 1: service a differential on a pilot this week and without 587 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: thinking I ordered it from Honda. It showed up. I 588 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,120 Speaker 1: flipped the bottle around down at the bottom. Manufactured by 589 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 1: manufactured for Honda by Damitsu. So you know, um, once again, 590 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: the O s are not making everything. I don't think 591 00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,560 Speaker 1: they're making anything anymore. They're just subbing it out the 592 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,719 Speaker 1: various companies, and those companies you know, some of them 593 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: let us know and some of them don't. We have 594 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: to kind of find it along the way. It's like 595 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: being a detective. So but I would I would definitely 596 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 1: do a definitely do a trans service as well. Now, 597 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: are you gonna do a flush on the coolant or 598 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 1: and by flush I mean an exchange. Are you just 599 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,800 Speaker 1: gonna drain the radiator? Well, I'm gonna take it to 600 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:59,480 Speaker 1: a shop and they do a it's it's it's not 601 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 1: so important to back flush per se. I'll tell you 602 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: the weak link in that car, Alex, and then I'm 603 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: gonna go is the heater cores are the weak link there. 604 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: They sit low in the system and they tend to 605 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:14,120 Speaker 1: build up scale. So if you wanted to flush anything, 606 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: what I would end up doing is I would disconnect 607 00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: the two hoses and it's a pain, it's down low. 608 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,480 Speaker 1: I would disconnect the two hoses going into the heater 609 00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,240 Speaker 1: core down at the bottom of the firewall on the 610 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: dry on the engine side, and I would set up 611 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 1: my hoses there back flush the core, you know, flush 612 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,960 Speaker 1: the core both ways, back flush, forward flush, and then 613 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: I would hook it up and do a coolant system 614 00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: exchange using an exchanger and just replace all the old 615 00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 1: stuff with new. So um, you know, that's the proper 616 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,720 Speaker 1: way to do that. But the heater cores of the 617 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: weak link there, they tend to as they get older, 618 00:33:48,280 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: they tend to build up scale and and crud. So 619 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: that would be the proper way to do it. Go ahead, 620 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: give him a shout and like I said, O Realioto 621 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 1: parts should have what you need. Zero. The car Doctor's 622 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: cruising back right after this. Welcome back one of the 623 00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:07,560 Speaker 1: car doctor. Quick piece of email before we go away 624 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,280 Speaker 1: this hour. And by the way, thanks for sticking around 625 00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:10,840 Speaker 1: for the hour. If you here with us for the 626 00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:13,239 Speaker 1: first hour today, we appreciate it. We we know you 627 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,760 Speaker 1: know all nonsense aside. I know how every busy everybody's 628 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 1: life is. And the fact that you take an hour 629 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: or two hours or whatever does you take to be 630 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:23,160 Speaker 1: with us, whether it's fifteen minutes or the whole show. Um, 631 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: I'm glad to have you here. And you know, at 632 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,440 Speaker 1: least when my head hits the pillow at night, I 633 00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: know that I got somebody to listen to something trying 634 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: to make their car better. Um, it's important to me. Hey, Ron, 635 00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:36,360 Speaker 1: looking to buy a Toyota Avalon between two thousand and 636 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 1: eight two thousand and nine, I found two of them 637 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: in very good condition. One has a D fifteen thousand, 638 00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: and there that has eighty three thousand, never having neither 639 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: one ever having transmittenance done. I'm assuming if I go 640 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,880 Speaker 1: with the lower mileage and service the fluid. I'll be 641 00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:49,840 Speaker 1: okay if the car is over a hundred, am I 642 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 1: taking a big chance changing it after that? Thanks Glenn. 643 00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: Uh you know what, Glenn, I think it's a matter 644 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,040 Speaker 1: of not just trans fluid, but what kind of shape 645 00:34:58,080 --> 00:34:59,719 Speaker 1: is the rest of the car. And and I think 646 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,759 Speaker 1: we to look at all the maintenance. You know, I 647 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,560 Speaker 1: would be more concerned or just as concerned about oil 648 00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: change maintenance. What's been done, what hasn't been done. You know, 649 00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: at that stage of the game, the damage has done. 650 00:35:12,040 --> 00:35:14,279 Speaker 1: You know, the bad Hatvard, the bad patterns have been 651 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,960 Speaker 1: learned in the bad habits are gonna come home to roots. 652 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: So yes, and I would be very aware of that 653 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,839 Speaker 1: as well as changing trans fluid. And for the record, UM, 654 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: I would clearly want to change trans fluid uh, regardless 655 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:32,000 Speaker 1: of what the uh UM mileage is. Just UM, I 656 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 1: kind of want to know when something's gonna fail. And 657 00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: I think doing it now and letting me keep an 658 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,160 Speaker 1: eye on it, that's just my opinion. I think you're 659 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: better off. But look the whole car over. Don't just 660 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,160 Speaker 1: think solely about the trans I'm on any of the car. 661 00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,920 Speaker 1: Doctor mechanics aren't expensive the place, let's see it.