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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion, that's.

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Speaker 2: The spirit we bring to this show.

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Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 3: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah you used there. That sounded a lot right. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: The show that used to be the best damn thing

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Speaker 1: that ever happened to you is back. Promises made and

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Speaker 1: promises cap. Hey, Luke Thomas, Let's make Morning Combat great again.

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Speaker 1: We're back Monday, February twelfth, twenty twenty four. Hey guys,

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Speaker 1: it's Fight Week UFC two ninety eight, Anaheim, California, and

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Speaker 1: an absolute banging of a pay per view main card

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Speaker 1: that we're about to serve up. Lt Your boy BC,

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell right here and Luke Thomas. While it's been

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Speaker 1: a long time since you and I have rock and

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Speaker 1: rolled in these parts, to come back together and to

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Speaker 1: as you are right now for Volk Versus to Poria,

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Speaker 1: I'm here.

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Speaker 4: Let me be your gateway drug. Let me let's bang.

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Speaker 4: Let's bang two he, let's bang chew you, Let's bang

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Speaker 4: everyone in between. Yeah, man, hello everyone, nice to see

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Speaker 4: you all out there again. I hope everything's going well. So, yes,

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Speaker 4: we're here to talk about UFC two ninety eight, because BC,

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Speaker 4: here's the great part about two ninety eight. Even if

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Speaker 4: the rest of the card were a Apex style card,

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Speaker 4: we would be groaning about that. But what you could

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Speaker 4: at least say is, hey, that main event is top shelf.

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Speaker 4: It's for it's just a plus first class the whole

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Speaker 4: nine yards. But the good news is that's actually not

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Speaker 4: the overall case. Yes, that main event is in fact,

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Speaker 4: very very good, BC. This main card is absolutely excellent

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Speaker 4: top to bottom. The preliminary card has a couple of

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Speaker 4: main card to me, top to bottom.

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Speaker 2: I love it.

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Speaker 3: So many good fights, so many great stories, a lot

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Speaker 3: to look forward to you for Saturday's paper view.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, absolutely oh about it. I'm here to tell

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Speaker 1: you that Mikey Wormow CBS Sports is on the ones

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Speaker 1: Morningcombat Dot store, yes even during our hiatus right now

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Speaker 1: to check out our latest march. I believe there's a

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Speaker 1: deal on hats. Tell r J Dunkel gangbang that your boy,

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Speaker 1: BC sent you so damn fired up for this card.

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Speaker 1: And look, I don't want to tell celebrities how to

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Speaker 1: live their lives. I mean, we are, you know, less

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Speaker 1: a freaking badass super Bowl that went into overtime that

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Speaker 1: had maybe the best halftime show that I've ever seen. Luke, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I said these things out loud. So I don't want

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Speaker 1: to tell Tom Brady, Charles Barkley, and Travis Ska how

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Speaker 1: to live their life. But I think they picked the

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Speaker 1: wrong zoofa event go into power Slap the other night.

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Speaker 1: They should be an Anaheim this Saturday for two ninety

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Speaker 1: events got it going on.

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Speaker 3: You know nine is a great car. Three hundred we

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Speaker 3: don't have any updates about it that that. Uh, there

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Speaker 3: thing has passed. But again, the two ninety eight main car, man,

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Speaker 3: it's just full of excellency, whether or not Charles Barkley

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Speaker 1: Saying, uh, did you not were you not entertained by Usher?

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Speaker 1: this guy, Luke. I mean that was like Jordan holding

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Speaker 1: that Luke, you have been teasing for months now that

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Speaker 3: You could tell that Toporia from his early UFC days

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Speaker 3: But his improvement BC has been rapid. Right, This is

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Speaker 3: He got his jiu jitsu black belt I think a

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Speaker 2: He has been he by the way.

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Speaker 3: Even even then when he would begin to strike, it

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Speaker 3: He has found his own identity and through that what

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Speaker 3: I have noticed is foundationally he has many of the

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Speaker 3: he now has five round experience. But the big issue

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Speaker 3: Listen, you're gonna find short notice guys who are competing

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Speaker 2: Like I I'm not I'm not.

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Speaker 3: But it's an instant hindsight now The other thing that's

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Speaker 3: Well, if you go back in Okay, So there are

431
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Speaker 3: three known cases between one twenty five and one seventy

432
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Speaker 3: where someone over the age of thirty five has won.

433
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Speaker 3: But let me tell you what those three cases are.

434
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Speaker 3: It is Tyrone Woodley versus Darren Till. It is Tyron

435
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Speaker 3: Woodley versus.

436
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Speaker 1: Huh called it just correct? Yes, I finished fair enough.

437
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,560
Speaker 3: It is Tyron Woodley versus Demian Maya, and then it's

438
00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 3: Amanda Newnez taking on Ida n A Aldona. Now I

439
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 3: bring this all up to say, when Woodley fought Till,

440
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Speaker 3: Till was obviously below the age of thirty five. I

441
00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,199
Speaker 3: don't even sure he was thirty at that point, right,

442
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 3: he was pretty young. But in the other two cases,

443
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 3: both Maya and al Donna, the opponent was also over

444
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:17,520
Speaker 3: the age of thirty five. So it leads me to

445
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Speaker 3: say there has been one fucking time between the men's

446
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Speaker 3: and women's game where someone who is thirty five and

447
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:28,120
Speaker 3: over beat someone less than that during a UFC title fight.

448
00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:30,560
Speaker 3: It's happened positively one time.

449
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Speaker 1: It should have happened for Schepfchenko. She didn't get the

450
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Speaker 1: nod And what you're referencing. I did get a DM

451
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Speaker 1: from Fan Farbod Nmataphar in which he laid out that

452
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Speaker 1: same thing. So, Luke, what what what this Fan Farbod

453
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Speaker 1: was trying to ask that you just articulated, was we

454
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Speaker 1: are going to take away then that that that the

455
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Speaker 1: Woodley second win because they were both thirty five and over.

456
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Speaker 1: Now we're taking away that women's fight. So man, that

457
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 1: just goes to show you howrous. But do you think

458
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Speaker 1: the Volkanovsky commercial that was just put out, which is

459
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: hilarious by the way of him playing an old man

460
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: and trying to, you know, really have fun with the

461
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,520
Speaker 1: idea that he's over the hill, that has to be

462
00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 1: fueled by your stead. It has to be.

463
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Speaker 3: I have some reason to believe that it played a role.

464
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Speaker 3: But I'll say this, I thought Vulcan I mean, listen,

465
00:22:18,359 --> 00:22:20,520
Speaker 3: I thought vulk took that whole thing in stride. To

466
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Speaker 3: be perfectly honest with you, I thought that commercial was.

467
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Speaker 2: That's one of the best.

468
00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:27,919
Speaker 3: Someone said b see that reminded them of old school

469
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 3: Sports Center commercials for ESPN. Isn't that true? I thought

470
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 3: that was one great call. That's exactly what it was.

471
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Speaker 3: But I just want to remind folks there's this tendency

472
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Speaker 3: right where when math gets a little bit scary, we

473
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Speaker 3: start to ascribe superstition to it.

474
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Speaker 2: We don't. There is no curse.

475
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Speaker 3: That's not like the No one has ever said said

476
00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:53,919
Speaker 3: it's a curse. We just said, guys, if you get

477
00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 3: this old and you fight competition this good for this

478
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Speaker 3: kind of a prize. It's an uphill climb, That's all

479
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 3: we're saying. It's a fucking uphill climb. Many have tried

480
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,160
Speaker 3: when the other opponent is less than thirty five. One guy,

481
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 3: in one instance has succeeded. Now, the common response I

482
00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:15,679
Speaker 3: get when I bring that up is, hey, well, if

483
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Speaker 3: anyone can do it, it's Alexander Volkanowski.

484
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 2: Fair enough.

485
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:20,399
Speaker 3: Fair enough, We're talking about a guy who was one

486
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Speaker 3: of the most technical fighters I've ever seen, one of

487
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Speaker 3: the most strategic, thoughtful, technical fighters that, irrespective of weight class,

488
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Speaker 3: the game has ever been privileged to see. That is

489
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Speaker 3: one hundred percent true, But it is also true that

490
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Speaker 3: the math is not We didn't, you know, put a

491
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Speaker 3: potion together to get it going. You know, no one

492
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 3: sprinkled magic, cursed dust on top of it. It's just

493
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 3: observed reality. It just tells you nothing is ironclad. But

494
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 3: if you are over the age of thirty five and

495
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Speaker 3: you are trying to defend a UFC title, by the way,

496
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Speaker 3: pop Quisbee, see how old is Ilio Taporia twenty seven?

497
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Speaker 3: Twenty seven year years of age, a twenty seven year

498
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 3: old undefeated hammer, it is going to be an uphill climb.

499
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Speaker 3: And I think that is a very very very fair

500
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Speaker 3: way to put it.

501
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Speaker 1: If you've been following this show long enough, it has

502
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Speaker 1: to be even with all those great stats and trends mentioned,

503
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 1: has to be shocking that you would pick against, potentially

504
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 1: pick against Volkanovski. But the thing about Toopori is is

505
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,119
Speaker 1: he does echo a lot of the things that you

506
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Speaker 1: love about life, Luke. He was born to a country

507
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Speaker 1: that he doesn't claim, Germany, which you know, knowing you

508
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,159
Speaker 1: as my Indian co host, I can understand that he

509
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 1: also fell in love with Spain, as you did that

510
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 1: time you went to Madrid and became a super fan

511
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Speaker 1: of that football club. So you know, maybe I understand it, lukey.

512
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Speaker 1: It's he seems to like Latin women too, based on

513
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,640
Speaker 1: the Countdown show, So maybe this is.

514
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:51,440
Speaker 2: Like I understand this man very much. Let me just

515
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: tell you that that's.

516
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 1: What I'm saying. Maybe that's it all right?

517
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Speaker 2: By the way here and by the.

518
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 3: Way, by the way, the guy who so I rewatched

519
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 3: the Emmet fight, the guy who was there in attendance.

520
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 3: The fame football you mentioned is Sergio Ramos Sirios, who

521
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 3: played for Real Madrid and is for a time, I believe,

522
00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:11,199
Speaker 3: was captain of the Spanish national team. So we have

523
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 3: many things in common that we like. Yes, that's true.

524
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Speaker 1: Is Real Madrid in siri a luke.

525
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: No Italy? It would be Italy. So the Spanish league

526
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Speaker 2: is La Liga the.

527
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Speaker 1: League okay, so not as racist as Siria.

528
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,560
Speaker 2: Is very very racist.

529
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 3: Actually actually La Liga has had a real bad year

530
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Speaker 3: of racism.

531
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Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, right from that, all right, all right, let's

532
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Speaker 1: talk about six fights for for so Poria in the

533
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Speaker 1: UFC up to this point. But as I identified, they've

534
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: been amazing. Has he fought anything or seen anything that

535
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Speaker 1: could prepare him for Volkanowski?

536
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 3: No, nothing, nothing, There's this common argument that we get

537
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 3: all the time, and it's a good one. For the

538
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,880
Speaker 3: most part. People overstate it, but it's a good one,

539
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 3: which is, hey, what has to Poria done against someone

540
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Speaker 3: of a high caliber that would even approximate what Volkanovsky

541
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 3: has done? Right, if you just look at the guys,

542
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 3: Volkanovsky has beaten Beaten Max three times, in the last

543
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 3: of which was very authoritative, just running the table on

544
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 3: Yahya Rodriguez, running the table on Brian Ortega. Well, I mean,

545
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 3: you know, I was back and forth for a little bit,

546
00:26:18,800 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 3: but you get the idea. In the end, he gave

547
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 3: him a real beating. Korean Zombie was just completely out

548
00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,920
Speaker 3: of his depth. I mean, it was a whole thing. No,

549
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:27,399
Speaker 3: he hasn't done anything like that. I mean, obviously, that

550
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,399
Speaker 3: win over Josh Emmett is really really good. Maybe you

551
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 3: could put that on par with some of the other

552
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 3: good but smaller wins that Volkanowski has in his title reign.

553
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,640
Speaker 3: But certainly the point stands that the level of accomplishment

554
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 3: that Volkanovsky has reached Toporia simply has not just matter

555
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,639
Speaker 3: of fact, lee not at all. And I really believe

556
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,560
Speaker 3: if you look at the guys, this is more towards

557
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 3: what you're asking. If you look at the guys that

558
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 3: Taporia has fought to what extent are some of them?

559
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 3: Are their games reminiscent of a guy like Volkanowski? No,

560
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 3: not really, not many of them. My individual pieces maybe

561
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: here or there, but not really. Volcanovski is one of one.

562
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:06,399
Speaker 3: He's his own guy, and there really is no getting

563
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 3: around that, not just because he has a unique sort

564
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 3: of frame and a unique kind of game, but he

565
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 3: makes adjustments between rounds.

566
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Speaker 2: BC.

567
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 3: Right, this is a guy who can show you one

568
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 3: thing and then show you another, and then show you another,

569
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 3: and it just gets worse for you over time. So

570
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:21,920
Speaker 3: in that sense, no, I don't think he's seen anything

571
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 3: quite like it. If you're going to pick to Poria, BC,

572
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 3: let's just be honest about it. And I will I

573
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 3: expect him for maybe potentially long stretches of the fight

574
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 3: to either not be doing great or be behind the

575
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,359
Speaker 3: eight ball, or you know, not really getting his game going.

576
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:41,399
Speaker 3: And I will also tell you that if you're picking

577
00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 3: to Poria, you're partly doing it on a projected idea

578
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 3: of what he could be. You know, it's interesting, BCE.

579
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,159
Speaker 3: We have talked many times about what it means to

580
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Speaker 3: be thirty five years old.

581
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 2: But you'll recall many times on this show we have also.

582
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,919
Speaker 3: Talked about what it means to be twenty seven. We

583
00:27:57,920 --> 00:27:59,560
Speaker 3: talked about with Marvin Vittoria. I know he had a

584
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 3: bit of a really apps recently, but when he turned

585
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: twenty seven, we saw how much better he was actually getting.

586
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 3: We had talked about that specifically. Here we have another

587
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 3: case of a guy like twenty seven. Let me just

588
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 3: say it very clearly. If you're twenty seven years old

589
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 3: and you're as good as Iliga Toaporia is, you're going

590
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 3: to see a different guy every time he gets out there.

591
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 3: The level of improvement that someone can show with that

592
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 3: amount of a foundational base, those kinds of athletic gifts

593
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,280
Speaker 3: and his work. He appears to be a hard worker

594
00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 3: in the gym. When you put that together, you're going

595
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 3: to get a different guy every time. What I really

596
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,879
Speaker 3: come back to is, I just don't think Volkanovsky is

597
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 3: going to be able for twenty five minutes to keep

598
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 3: to Poria from landing something that he can every time

599
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 3: recover from.

600
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Speaker 2: I don't believe that.

601
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 3: I believe eventually he's going to connect and it's going

602
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 3: to be too much.

603
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: Well, I'll have to say the only time I was

604
00:28:48,920 --> 00:28:51,720
Speaker 1: in the arena for a Taporia fight was the Ryan

605
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 1: Hall finish, which came on the undercart of Pori a

606
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: McGregor three back in twenty twenty one. And the thing

607
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: I'd take from watching in the first press row so

608
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: closely was dude the patience that he showed as Ryan

609
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 1: Hall was exhibiting in some ways a negative style, pulling

610
00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: guard trying to do anything to lure him into a trap.

611
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 1: You could see a little frustration, but it never affected

612
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: his poise, his pace, his plan of attack, and when

613
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: it came time to finally break through and finish, he

614
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 1: knocked him out cold. So just absolutely nasty. But look,

615
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: if we say the obvious when somebody has so much

616
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: experience on this level, and that's Volkanowski, He's thirteen to

617
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,920
Speaker 1: zero in the UFC in the featherweight division, unbeaten overall

618
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: throughout his career at one five. We have to do

619
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: the flip side though, even though Volkanovsky has beaten a

620
00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 1: bevy of all time greats from Aldo to Holloway three

621
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Speaker 1: times to whomever, I mean, when he fought Yayra as

622
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: you mentioned no one was more dangerous at that moment

623
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 1: or Taga nearly submitted them. God, he's been through the wars.

624
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: Has he actually fought anybody with the same dynamic combination

625
00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: of not just explosiveness but technique, game plan, savvy backbone

626
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: that we are in it. We are assuming Tipuria will

627
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: be able to have because, as you mentioned, you're going

628
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: to have to use the eye test a bit and

629
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Speaker 1: assume can't Tapouria level up on the five round championship

630
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: title level against a guy this great. Has Vulk fought

631
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 1: somebody this specifically dangerous in your eyes?

632
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:23,120
Speaker 3: This one actually I think favors Vulk again a little

633
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 3: bit too. There are big differences, but I do think

634
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,719
Speaker 3: it's fair to say that the Chad Mendes fight is

635
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 3: pretty close. As you know, it is relevantly close, how

636
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 3: about that, right? It is relevant enough that we should

637
00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 3: take something from that. He's you know, got a different

638
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,120
Speaker 3: body type, but a bit of a box heavy guy.

639
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,800
Speaker 1: I gotta interrupt you, that's an aftermarket version who we

640
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: retired in that fight.

641
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 3: Correct, Yes, but remember Mendes also dropped Volkanovski in that

642
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,240
Speaker 3: fight with a hard punch, So I think you know,

643
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 3: that kind of the kind of guy who could sit

644
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: you down with a punch, who is boxing heavy, who's

645
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,040
Speaker 3: a little bit on the front foot, who's forward pressure.

646
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 3: By the way, like, what's the takedown defensive rate of

647
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 3: a guy like Iliotaporia. It's ninety two percent. So you know,

648
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 3: a guy who's got I wouldn't call him a wrestler

649
00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 3: per se, but he's got very good defensive wrestling skills.

650
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 3: And to Poria is more than that, because as you've seen,

651
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 3: he can pass guard. He's got tremendous ground and pound.

652
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 3: You know, he can do everything he needs to do

653
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 3: on the ground in that way. But there is some

654
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 3: similarity there. However, Folks might say, Okay, yes, Vulk got dropped,

655
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 3: but he rallied and finished off Mendez. Number one, that's true,

656
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,680
Speaker 3: and number two, the Vulk who got dropped against Mendez.

657
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 3: From a technical standpoint, I think the current Vulcan is

658
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: much much better, right, I mean, that's those are not

659
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:33,640
Speaker 3: the same guys.

660
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 2: So I do think that.

661
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: I mean, listen, dude, Vulk has gone up against inasmuch

662
00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 3: as he could have during his era, different body types,

663
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 3: different games, different specialties. He had a kicking tornado guy

664
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 3: in Yair, he had a guy who was kind of

665
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,640
Speaker 3: limited in the boxing stand up, but you know, just

666
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: lights out danger with the submission attempts. In Brian Ortega,

667
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 3: he had to fight Max fucking three times to get

668
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 3: asked that, dude fifteen went fifteen fucking rounds with Max

669
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 3: Holloway and just.

670
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 1: Compute that in the rematch, got dropped yes and.

671
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,719
Speaker 3: Had yeah to your point, had to rally in the

672
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: rematch basically in order to win. Like dude, he has

673
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 3: seen it all. He has seen it all. That's not

674
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 3: the point. The point is not has he seen something

675
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 3: like some kind of danger that is relevantly close to

676
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 3: Eliot Poria? Yes, of course he has. The question is

677
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 3: the state he is in today, not unprepared but weathered

678
00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 3: older down a tick. Is that still going to be

679
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: enough against someone who was at the very Dude to

680
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 3: Pooria is not even at the peak of his powers yet,

681
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 3: but he is gaining momentum very very quickly.

682
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,840
Speaker 2: Will that be enough? That is the central question?

683
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 1: Luke off topic, but I thought of it in the moment.

684
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,080
Speaker 1: I'm of course wearing the average Joe Art crossover. Arnold

685
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 1: Allen PACER's Jim Father. We love steroids t shirt that

686
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 1: I was blessed to have mailed me by the Triple

687
00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: A Arnold all than himself. I want to say average

688
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 1: Yard obviously did a crossover with us. He's working for

689
00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 1: a lot of people. He's now doing the work with

690
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:09,479
Speaker 1: Kelvin gastallone, one of my favorite fighters ever, and I

691
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: really love the Look what do I have to do

692
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: to get Brian Ortega an average Joe art Romero together

693
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:16,720
Speaker 1: to make magic? You know what I mean?

694
00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 3: The thing that you've been wanting to do for many years.

695
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 3: B See, and that's blow Brian Ortega.

696
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: Okay, that is neither here nor there on the CBS show. Please, Okay,

697
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 1: I don't believe in that stuff at all. Oh wow,

698
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:33,080
Speaker 1: all right, enough off topic here. Look, I just don't

699
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: think though he has fought somebody exactly like Taporia, which

700
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 1: is why, along with the age, which maybe makes the

701
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 1: match up a little bit closer on paper, it's why

702
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 1: we are at the spot not really knowing. All right,

703
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,760
Speaker 1: Taporia can handle himself on the ground very well. You

704
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: know you mentioned the takedown defense first of all, but

705
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: his ground and pound, his patience, he could submit you

706
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: to Volk leveled up with the wrestling in the first

707
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,200
Speaker 1: Mahachev fight. How do you see the grappling playing a

708
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: role in this fight.

709
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:02,120
Speaker 3: That's a big question. That's a great question. That's a

710
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 3: huge one. I've really gone back and forth on this.

711
00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 3: So if your team vulk, how do you want to

712
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 3: play that?

713
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 2: Right?

714
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 3: Because he has tremendous takedown defense as well. You know,

715
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 3: obviously his numbers are seventy percent, but okay, he's battle

716
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,239
Speaker 3: tested in a way that I think to Poria is

717
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 3: not as battle tested as Volkanovsky. So but you know,

718
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 3: he does have very, very good takedown defense too. So

719
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 3: do you want to initiate it? If you do, what

720
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 3: are you worried about necessarily if you do actually get

721
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:29,279
Speaker 3: him down?

722
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:30,800
Speaker 2: Are you worried about his guard?

723
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 3: I don't think to Pooria's guard is what you would

724
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 3: really have to worry about in the way you'd have

725
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 3: to worry about it with Ortega, like his guard. But

726
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 3: I don't think as well that Toori is going to

727
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: play a game from guard. He would probably try to

728
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 3: wrestle up or get up or reverse or go to

729
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 3: the back, and then you are playing with a little

730
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,279
Speaker 3: bit of fire there. Like In other words, I'm not

731
00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,960
Speaker 3: saying it's easy to ground and pound or Tega. What

732
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,840
Speaker 3: I am saying is Ortega is going to be willing

733
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 3: to play from guard in a way that would make

734
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 3: ground and pound a wider available option than Tapooria is

735
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,839
Speaker 3: going to play. If you're gonna hold to Pooria down, dude,

736
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: you got to hold him down. You're gonna have to

737
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 3: use your hands and your your your hips and your

738
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 3: legs to do everything to tie this guy down. You're

739
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: really not going to get substantial ground to pound from that. So, like,

740
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 3: I don't understand how it might play a role. And

741
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 3: if you're to Pooria, yes, if that goes to the

742
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,040
Speaker 3: ground and you get taken down, I think he'll be

743
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,560
Speaker 3: able to wrestle his way up. The other thing that's

744
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,319
Speaker 3: kind of interesting is does he want the takedown? Does

745
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:29,840
Speaker 3: he want to go forward against a guy? Does he

746
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 3: want to do it and then work his way to

747
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 3: the back right with just locked hands and then begin

748
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: to use that as a way to manipulate his weight

749
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,320
Speaker 3: and potentially sink a hook and then do kind of

750
00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 3: like a slow hubeib thing.

751
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 2: Does he want to do that too? I don't know.

752
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 3: I would tell you that I do believe that the

753
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 3: wrestling will play some kind of role, but both guys,

754
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 3: I would imagine, probably feel like their best chance of winning.

755
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 3: While Volkanovsky might want to mix in takedown attempts, he's

756
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 3: probably gonna want to play the distance game here a

757
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 3: little bit right leg kicking circle, making a guy like

758
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 3: to pour you a turn to follow him. That's going

759
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 3: to make it very difficult. If you go back and

760
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: listen to the m and fight, you can hear Emmett's

761
00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 3: corner say, make him turn when you go to your right,

762
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: because he has to reset all the time. I suspect

763
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 3: you're gonna see a lot of that from Volkanovsky. I

764
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: just don't believe the wrestling will be absent BC. But

765
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 3: unless someone gets really hurt, I don't see it as

766
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 3: the most relevant thing. I think most guys are gonna

767
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 3: want to Both guys are gonna want to mostly use

768
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 3: their hands.

769
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,879
Speaker 1: Or Yeah, we do have to remember. I'm not sure

770
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: how many out there know this that Volkanowski did once

771
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 1: play rugby professionally at two hundred and fifteen pounds. Coach

772
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:38,600
Speaker 1: did call him on the Countdown show pound for pound,

773
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: the strongest grappler he's ever messed around with. Saying, yeah,

774
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 1: he's a rather way. We're all bigger than him, but

775
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: he gives us rounds, he makes us work, so that

776
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: is interesting. Luke, I'm just feeling like it's not just

777
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:55,959
Speaker 1: if anybody can do it Vulcan. I mean, that's true,

778
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 1: but I feel like there is the extra motivation to

779
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:01,439
Speaker 1: do the almost forgot, like there really is. He knows

780
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,640
Speaker 1: he screwed up. Or maybe maybe in the long run

781
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:04,879
Speaker 1: it's not a screw up. I want to be honest

782
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: with about maybe that was worth the money. Maybe that

783
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: was worth in that moment for him to take that headcake,

784
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 1: to get that out of the system. You just never

785
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: know long term. As much as that feels like, how

786
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 1: could you say that about a thirty five year old

787
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: managers got headkicked by the best fighter in the world.

788
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: I just think he can do it, Luke to Pouria

789
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 1: as dangerous as shit, but I have to say, how

790
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 1: many times have we seen Vulk bend but not break,

791
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: find himself in very extremely disadvantageous positions and swim in

792
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:37,399
Speaker 1: the deep end live embracing the suck. I mean, I mean, look,

793
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,080
Speaker 1: you've said I wanted to do unspeakable things to Okamoto,

794
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: and Ortega the two o's, and I you know, I

795
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: don't show this O face for everybody. So okay, but wait,

796
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: what was my transition there about? I don't even remember

797
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 1: the setup anyway, I think Vulk can do this. Look,

798
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go on the record right now. I'm gonna

799
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: take the old guy to buck the trend, just like

800
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: I was the only one picking Woodley to finish Till

801
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 1: on the MMA B and I stand by that, just

802
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: like I was the only one who said Francis will

803
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 1: wrestle against them.

804
00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 3: I think I don't think I picked Darren Till. I'm

805
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:07,920
Speaker 3: pretty sure that's not true.

806
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 1: Okay, but you didn't come out and say absolutely he's

807
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 1: a fraud and he's gonna get finished. Okay, that's more.

808
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 3: Definitely, Yeah, you're right, I definite that's true. That definitely

809
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 3: didn't say that that's true.

810
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 2: That's true.

811
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you Folk's gonna pull this off over

812
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,359
Speaker 1: five rounds, and it won't be easy. He's gonna get

813
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: knocked down. There's gonna be you know, moments where Taporia

814
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 1: is gonna show us his magic. I'm gonna go with

815
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: the old guy. Do you think UFC though wants this

816
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:34,240
Speaker 1: potential breakout star in a new, fresh, vibrant, passionate market

817
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,760
Speaker 1: like Spain. Are they chairing for Ilia?

818
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 3: Do they want the guy who's close to forty or

819
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 3: do they want the guy who's close to thirty?

820
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 1: Stop me thirty five, Luke, it's the new like twenty

821
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: five in the world.

822
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying though, Like people like, what

823
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 3: does the UFC want? Well, they win, no matter what,

824
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 3: right they win, no matter what. Having a guy like

825
00:38:52,040 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: Vulk beat Taporia and what this might do for his

826
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 3: legend and his place in the oceanic mma world and

827
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 3: economy cannot be understated. It'd be very, very big and important.

828
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 3: But you know, if I'm the UFC, like again, I

829
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,479
Speaker 3: don't really know what they want, but my guess would

830
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 3: be it's like, well, we got a guy who can

831
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 3: unlock a part of Europe we've really not been able

832
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 3: to unlock. He could be a big, big star for

833
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 3: us there as well as here. He's not even close

834
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 3: to thirty years of age. Like, just where do you

835
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,839
Speaker 3: think the priority would be? I suspect it's with him,

836
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 3: But the question is if he's ready for all of that.

837
00:39:22,840 --> 00:39:24,320
Speaker 3: We don't know one thing he didn't bring up, and

838
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 3: I know we got to move along. But one thing

839
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: I want to bring.

840
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:26,439
Speaker 2: Up is BC.

841
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 3: You know, dude, Tuporia has been talking greasy. I mean,

842
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:32,880
Speaker 3: my man's been talking.

843
00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: I'm a forty five year old dad. Can you translate?

844
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 3: Grow Okay, let me make sure I don't lose the

845
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 3: uh the I don't know.

846
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:44,680
Speaker 2: The thing is, I've lost the auto focus. There we go.

847
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I have teenage sons. I'm trying to pick

848
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,080
Speaker 1: up on the young speak a little bit here.

849
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 3: We're not we're not cool. We're not cool, but it

850
00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 3: just I just mean the following you you have seen this,

851
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 3: right For example, he was like, Yeah, when I beat Vulk,

852
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,640
Speaker 3: I'm not going to give Max Holloway or Brian Ortega

853
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 3: or any these guys a title file. I'm just gonna

854
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 3: go right to Connor MacGregor. That's not so much greasy,

855
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,040
Speaker 3: but it's like it's a bold thing to say. How

856
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 3: about changing already like weeks ago, changing his Instagram profile

857
00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: to say UFC champion and then him posing with the

858
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 3: belt as his Instagram like like a profile photo. Just

859
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 3: a level of like dismissiveness about one of the best

860
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:25,799
Speaker 3: fighters we've met.

861
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 2: We've I mean, here's what I would say. It's like, dude,

862
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 2: I you know, I like his chances, but even.

863
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 3: I don't think that's a good idea. Even I am like,

864
00:40:34,600 --> 00:40:38,120
Speaker 3: bro tone it down a little. So one thing I

865
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:40,279
Speaker 3: want to point out here that's worth thinking about is, Dude,

866
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 3: if you have gone out there and you have changed

867
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,959
Speaker 3: your Instagram profile and you have said Volkanovsky, you're gonna

868
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,399
Speaker 3: like thrash him everywhere, and that your contemporaries don't even

869
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 3: deserve a title shot, and the only thing that's next

870
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: for you is Connor McGregor. And then you lose, and they,

871
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 3: let's say you lose badly, Like let's say you get stopped.

872
00:40:57,160 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 3: Write something like that, Like it's a fucking Miagi verse.

873
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 3: You know, Daniel Sun Teacher's moment here where Miogi let's

874
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 3: you know what time it is. People are like, oh,

875
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 3: he'd be embarrassed. That's the least of my concerns for

876
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: him in a situation like that. What I'd be more

877
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 3: curious about is, Dude, you have told yourself that you

878
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: are somebody that when the time comes to show it,

879
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 3: you were.

880
00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:18,479
Speaker 2: Not that guy.

881
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 3: What does that do to you? What does that do

882
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 3: to your psyche. If you have lied to yourself about

883
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: who you are and then reality comes thunderously crashing down

884
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 3: on you, I wonder, I wonder what that meansing.

885
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: The O'Malley lost to Cheeto almost being a little bit

886
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,960
Speaker 1: of the same thing. But I think O'Malley was able

887
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: to lean on the injury side of the excuse, and

888
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,360
Speaker 1: you know, certainly they've got the rematch coming up, and

889
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,800
Speaker 1: he gets to prove that. You make an interesting point.

890
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 3: That was and that wasn't a title fight. That wasn't

891
00:41:47,760 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 3: a title fight. This is a title fight.

892
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: He's so all in right now and everything you're saying that, yes,

893
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 1: a loss could be destructively humbling. But I do want

894
00:41:57,080 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: to ask you one thing on the thing you tease

895
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 1: there about what he's been boasting. Let's be really honest here.

896
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 1: Let's say he knocked out Volkanovski in the first two rounds,

897
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 1: didn't get hurt, and did it in such destructive fashion

898
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: that every single person watching around the globe is like

899
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 1: a star was just born. He'd just be He just

900
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: knocked out one of the best to ever do it.

901
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: And let's say he grabs that microphone and Anaheim and

902
00:42:18,520 --> 00:42:22,120
Speaker 1: says Connor McGregor. Get your shit together. I'll see you

903
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: in the main event April thirteenth, a UFC three hundred.

904
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: Would the UFC pull that tra I mean, obviously you'd

905
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,120
Speaker 1: have to be a non title fight, Connors, I'm making

906
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: one forty five any any side of this side of roadhouse, anywhere.

907
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: Luke he was, he was taken all all of pacers

908
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,560
Speaker 1: meds before that fight, before that movie. By the way, Uh,

909
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: would they want to do it non titled catchway fight

910
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:47,919
Speaker 1: to say, oh, you just knocked out Volkanowski will become

911
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: the biggest thing that ever happened. Here's injured, old ask Connor. No,

912
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 1: they're not, They're not doing it right there?

913
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 2: Come on, I'll say this.

914
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,919
Speaker 3: If he knocks out Volkanowski and then goes out there

915
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 3: and calls for Connor and they're not going to do it.

916
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,359
Speaker 3: But to your point, if they made it, let's say

917
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,840
Speaker 3: he stopped Connor, do you understand how big of a

918
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,000
Speaker 3: star to Porio would be. Understand that? And a guy

919
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,720
Speaker 3: who can do who can do media in Latin America

920
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,600
Speaker 3: as well, right, I mean not just in Europe and

921
00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 3: in Latin America. I mean they got and obviously in

922
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,239
Speaker 3: Europe as well, because he speaks Georgian too, like he is.

923
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 3: He he could be poised for big things, but let's

924
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 3: slow down. He's got his hands full on Saturday. Let's

925
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 3: see what happens with that first.

926
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: Love It love. It can't wait, it cannot freaking wait

927
00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:27,840
Speaker 1: for this fight. But it doesn't stop there. This is

928
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: an absolutely I've been telling anybody that will listen because

929
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 1: people think I hate Louke. People think I hate like

930
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: the UFC, I hate Dana. They think they think I

931
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: hate like you know, skinhead fighter like they think a

932
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 1: lot of weird things. I freaking love this pay per

933
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,560
Speaker 1: view main card. Let's get into the Cole main event.

934
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: Robert Whittaker Polo Costa middleweight. They both could use a

935
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: big win. Coasta really trying to put just an up

936
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 1: and down line, really, since you gotta be honest. Since

937
00:43:53,080 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: the loss to Attisania, it's been wild. Didn't get the

938
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 1: Chremaiah fight like we wanted to see where he was at.

939
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: He's been in and out of fighting, announcements, injuries, setbacks. Yes,

940
00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: he beat rock Hold in an absolutely wild ass fight,

941
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 1: but Robert Whittaker's got a lot more questions to answer

942
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: about the one sided demolition loss to Drake his duples see,

943
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,959
Speaker 1: which I think, for the first time, made us go, oh, wait,

944
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: this living legend, Robert Whittaker might not end up with

945
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 1: a second run with this belt. This might be the

946
00:44:21,600 --> 00:44:24,479
Speaker 1: best of what we've seen from him so far. How

947
00:44:24,520 --> 00:44:27,480
Speaker 1: do you look at those competing narratives and try to

948
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: handicap what to expect in Saturday's comin.

949
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:35,200
Speaker 3: Man, these two are so strange, well in different ways.

950
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 3: I mean, Paulo Costa is strange because he's a strange guy.

951
00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 3: But Whittaker is strange because we are so surprised at

952
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 3: how he arrived at this position and we just I

953
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 3: never not that I'm upset about the fight. I think

954
00:44:48,280 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 3: the fight is great, but you know I never saw

955
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 3: him getting defeated by DDP, And so to me, Man,

956
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,000
Speaker 3: if I could be honest with you, I think both

957
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 3: of these guys have a lot to prove. Let's start

958
00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 3: with Paulo Costa here for just a second. The eraser, right,

959
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 3: I mean, his competition schedule has not gone well. He

960
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 3: didn't fight at all in twenty twenty three. His last

961
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 3: fight was a fight in August of twenty twenty two,

962
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 3: against Luke Rockhold. This will be the first one since

963
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 3: he was you know, had reasonably scheduled fights against Alis

964
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 3: Gerrov and CHREMAIV and nothing happened. And then before that

965
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 3: he fought once in twenty twenty one, Yeah, and then

966
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:23,239
Speaker 3: once in twenty twenty two, so he had sorry in

967
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:26,440
Speaker 3: twenty twenty and twenty twenty he lost to Izzy. He

968
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 3: comes back in twenty twenty one, he loses to Marvin Vttori.

969
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 3: He comes back in twenty twenty two and has a

970
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: terrible fight against Luke Rockhole.

971
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:32,880
Speaker 2: You're like, where is he?

972
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 3: And he won the fight against Luke rockeleb Well, Luke

973
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: Rockcole looked like a very aging version of himself BC.

974
00:45:39,760 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 3: He did not look like the guy who won the

975
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 3: strike Force or UFC middleweight title, not by a long shot,

976
00:45:45,120 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 3: and Costa couldn't finish him off. And here we have

977
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 3: him against Whitaker, and it's like, is he progressing with

978
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 3: the development of his game in the way that you

979
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,280
Speaker 3: would hope, especially following the loss to Izzy. I would

980
00:45:57,280 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 3: say that the evidence shows us that maybe it's somewhat inconclusive,

981
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,399
Speaker 3: like there's still some room to show and this could

982
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 3: be a great opportunity, But to this point, has he

983
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:08,359
Speaker 3: really rounded a corner since then, I've not seen that.

984
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 3: Now you go in there and you beat Robert Whitaker,

985
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,359
Speaker 3: when you do it with some tactical poise, we can

986
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 3: revisit this conversation. But up to this point, since the

987
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 3: fight against Izzy, I don't know, man, it's just been

988
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: not that great on the side of it.

989
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: On a little bit on the rock Cold fight only

990
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,920
Speaker 1: to say that Luke rock Hold showed it like an

991
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 1: unnatural level of resistance and spite, and that's why that

992
00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 1: fight was so weird. I don't know if I look

993
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 1: at that as a huge negative for Coasta, Like I

994
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: would have loved for him to have finished an old

995
00:46:37,320 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 1: guy in that spot who you're fighting because he's a

996
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: former champion and a big name and giving you a

997
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,479
Speaker 1: chance to bounce back, But those circumstances were kind of weird.

998
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: I will agree with everything before that, what I saw

999
00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: from Costa and the fights, from the Autasnja fight through that,

1000
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,319
Speaker 1: rock Hold was just a guy that's not not like

1001
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,600
Speaker 1: in charge of a game plan or technique. He's just

1002
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: gone out there to fight.

1003
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 3: Does that RESI yes, I mean, here's the kind of

1004
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 3: interesting part about it. Like Whittaker, we know, like before

1005
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 3: he fought Drinkis, Remember he thought Marvin Vattori and looked

1006
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,839
Speaker 3: very good doing it for the most part. Right, So

1007
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: you you thought going into that Drinkis fight like, Okay,

1008
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:14,480
Speaker 3: you know he's gonna do something here, and he got beat.

1009
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 3: But this is what I go back to now. Drickis

1010
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:21,359
Speaker 3: and Costa have very different games, and we should say that,

1011
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:23,759
Speaker 3: but if there is one thing that unites them is

1012
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 3: that there is a little bit of physical recklessness with them.

1013
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 2: Would you not.

1014
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 3: Agree with that, BC, that these are two guys that

1015
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 3: are physically powerful in very dangerous ways, and that might

1016
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,280
Speaker 3: leave certain openings at times that a guy like Whittaker

1017
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 3: can one billion percent take advantage of, but it carries

1018
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:44,720
Speaker 3: some additional risk. I would say, though, that having seen

1019
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 3: DDP now fight his way to the championship, he has

1020
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 3: shown more technical know how, more strategic resolve than what

1021
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,120
Speaker 3: I get from Costa, which is a little bit more.

1022
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 3: I'm a good athlete, I punch hard. Let's just see

1023
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,759
Speaker 3: where this goes. You know, you just don't get the

1024
00:47:59,840 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 3: kind the same thing. So I feel like I feel

1025
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 3: like you do get an interesting test of Whittaker coming

1026
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:10,919
Speaker 3: off of a knockout loss to a very physical guy. Here,

1027
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 3: he's got another physical guy, but you dialed down some

1028
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 3: of the strategy that he normally would have to encounter.

1029
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 3: Relative to DDP. It seems very winnable for Robert Whitaker

1030
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 3: dot dot dot unless he's fallen off a cliff, and

1031
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:24,919
Speaker 3: I don't think he has. He's just thirty three years old.

1032
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 3: I think he's poised for a rebound here, but he's

1033
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 3: got to play it smart.

1034
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: I think he had to have underestimated DDP. I mean

1035
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 1: I was out there telling people there's literally not a

1036
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 1: path to victory. There's literally not a chance, because I

1037
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,960
Speaker 1: just didn't think that DDP was as good as he

1038
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: showed in that fight, and he turned me into a believer.

1039
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 1: The odds maker Zough Fan Duel in Las Vegas, giving

1040
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,839
Speaker 1: Whittaker the respect at minus two twenty as the favorite

1041
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: plus one sixty eight for Costa. I really felt, in

1042
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: that specific loss of a tory that we saw a coaster.

1043
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: Like you said, it's just like I'm gonna just shoot

1044
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 1: my athleticism at you. I'm not really gonna move my

1045
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 1: head in return. I'm not really gonna you know, I mean,

1046
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 1: it's just it's just a guy who's winging it with

1047
00:49:04,520 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: the secret juice. And I mean I'm sure. I mean, like,

1048
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: you know, if you could live in one fighters d

1049
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,719
Speaker 1: MS for a day, Luke would coast to be in

1050
00:49:11,719 --> 00:49:13,359
Speaker 1: the top three. I think you'd have to be right.

1051
00:49:13,680 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so let's think about that top three. What's

1052
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:18,280
Speaker 3: your Okay, let's do the mount Rushmore of whose DMS

1053
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,359
Speaker 3: you want to have for a day?

1054
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 1: Thank you?

1055
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:30,360
Speaker 3: Of our Era Ortega Coasta would be another one, probably Connor,

1056
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:33,240
Speaker 3: you probably, I mean Connor's rich, celebrity.

1057
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: Respect the brand, right, You've got to put him in there,

1058
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:36,440
Speaker 1: you have to.

1059
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's probably got all kinds of people hitting him up.

1060
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 3: And then maybe your your last one would be.

1061
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,399
Speaker 2: Well, that's a good one. That's a tough one.

1062
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,560
Speaker 1: It could be Ilia after Saturday, because he's got he's

1063
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 1: got you know, he's got that toughness, you know what I.

1064
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:51,920
Speaker 3: Mean, Yeah, it could be him. I mean, you know

1065
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 3: you got the idea. Yeah, I respect it.

1066
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: I mean too bad Roman dele bit the bullet last

1067
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:57,240
Speaker 1: week or two weeks ago.

1068
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,280
Speaker 2: Whatever that was. You know, Yeah, that sucks.

1069
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,359
Speaker 1: You know, he's he's probably got good.

1070
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1071
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: You know, it's like how far do I want to

1072
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: get into this joke? For me, I could do a

1073
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 1: whole podcast on it, but I don't think that's what

1074
00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: people want to really be honest with you, all right,

1075
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: So is there something you need to see from Whittaker

1076
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,439
Speaker 1: to show you he's back? I mean, if anything, maybe,

1077
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: I mean I teased off the top that maybe the

1078
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:22,759
Speaker 1: DDP loss was the first time we're like, oh, like

1079
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,279
Speaker 1: maybe ages caught up with him. But I think he

1080
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,400
Speaker 1: overlooked him, and I do think the size difference ultimately

1081
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: was a factor. It was it not like Whitaker looked

1082
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: like a small middleweight in that poot.

1083
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna be a factor here as well. This

1084
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 3: is what I mean, like there is a similarity. He's

1085
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,239
Speaker 3: got two physical, bruising hulks that he has to get

1086
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,440
Speaker 3: through and that's not gonna be easy. But you know

1087
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 3: the thing is this, It's like, this is this is

1088
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,560
Speaker 3: the reality of polo coaster, right, So strikes landed per

1089
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 3: minute six point five. I mean that's not only high.

1090
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: You know, he hits hard, so that's a lot to

1091
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: deal with. But here's the downside for him, strikes have

1092
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 3: sword per minute six point three to eight. I mean,

1093
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 3: people steal on this dude a lot.

1094
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 2: They can. He is hittable. He is.

1095
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 3: He is very, very hittable. And you have to imagine

1096
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:11,640
Speaker 3: a sniper and a guy with great timing and he's

1097
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 3: still again, he's not physically past it. I don't think

1098
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:20,000
Speaker 3: that should be winnable for him. So big questions. And

1099
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,800
Speaker 3: by the way, it's not like, if Costa loses to Whittaker,

1100
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 3: you're like, oh, he's trash. But I would say a

1101
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 3: couple of things. If he loses and it's a clean one,

1102
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 3: you're like, well, okay, so this guy's not going to

1103
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,440
Speaker 3: be elite, right, I mean we can just sort of

1104
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:34,320
Speaker 3: declare that. And then on the other side, if he knocks,

1105
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 3: if he gets knocked out himself, it's like, you really

1106
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 3: don't even know, you know, if he gets finished off,

1107
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 3: Like what would that mean for him at all? Like

1108
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 3: I think there's potentially major stock damage that he could suffer.

1109
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:49,960
Speaker 3: An interesting moment. And by the way, I Whitaker wins,

1110
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 3: it's not like you're like, oh, well, now he's ready

1111
00:51:51,440 --> 00:51:53,719
Speaker 3: for the championship again. But I do think it'd be

1112
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:55,959
Speaker 3: rejuvenating for him in a really important way.

1113
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:58,320
Speaker 1: Indeed, I'm looking forward to see if he can do.

1114
00:51:58,360 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 1: I think his left hook's going to be a big

1115
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: weapon against Costa. It's gonna be a lot of boxing,

1116
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:06,160
Speaker 1: a lot of hit and not get hit in and out.

1117
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: It's yeah, it's it's really up to Cancsta. Make it

1118
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 1: a wild enough fight that he can take Robert off

1119
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,160
Speaker 1: of his game plan, make him react a little bit

1120
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 1: and try to slip something big in there, or you know,

1121
00:52:17,719 --> 00:52:20,239
Speaker 1: we'll see, We'll see Costa. You's still got to give

1122
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 1: him a benefit of the doubt, maybe because he gave

1123
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: us one of the greatest gifts of all time, Luke,

1124
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 1: and that was that first round against Vietor Belfort. He

1125
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 1: I mean, not Vitor against Joel Romero. He can go

1126
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 1: in there and absolutely cause freaking havoc, especially if you're

1127
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 1: willing to exchange in trade with him. It'll be interesting

1128
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 1: to see if he can get Whitaker off script. I

1129
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 1: don't think he will. Let's go to the next one.

1130
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,920
Speaker 1: No one's talking about this or rescheduling Jeff Neil at

1131
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:48,799
Speaker 1: welterweight against you Machado, Gary, who had been through the

1132
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,720
Speaker 1: ringer just a few months ago in terms of public

1133
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: reputation with the he's filming sparring sessions at Gimsy's visiting

1134
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: that he shouldn't. Everyone's calling him a cook. Colby and

1135
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: Sean stric On stop talking about his wife. It got weird,

1136
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,640
Speaker 1: it got ugly. But now he's back, Luke, he still

1137
00:53:05,880 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: is potentially one of the guys who has next in

1138
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: this entire sport. Is that an incorrect statement to make

1139
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 1: at this point?

1140
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe maybe we can't say it's not, But I

1141
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 3: think I need to see a little bit more before

1142
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 3: I declare that it is. To me, he's kind of

1143
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 3: teetering here on not even teetering. We just don't have

1144
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 3: quite enough information. So his best win to date would

1145
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,719
Speaker 3: be the one against Neil Magni. But as good as

1146
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 3: that was, I that's not enough to tell me like

1147
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 3: what the high water mark of what he can achieve is,

1148
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:45,840
Speaker 3: and more to the point, that's not good enough to

1149
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:47,759
Speaker 3: tell me how he will do against some of the

1150
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 3: better guys in this division. Now, Jeff Neil is very

1151
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 3: different from Neil Magnie in a lot of respects, so

1152
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 3: it's a very tough challenge. I actually like this fight

1153
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 3: a lot for both guys you would imagine BC a

1154
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 3: guy like Jeff Neil's gonna want to use his hands

1155
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 3: to get him close, and he's dynamite power, and then

1156
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 3: a guy like Ian Gary.

1157
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 2: Seems to be a little bit more wants to play

1158
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 2: the distance game.

1159
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 3: When you saw that against Dill Magnee as well, I

1160
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 3: think you're probably going to get a lot of that.

1161
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 3: The thing that's kind of interesting for me is like,

1162
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 3: for all of the turmoil that Gary had to go through,

1163
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 3: most of it juvenile and prurient nonsense, but nevertheless there

1164
00:54:20,480 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 3: was a lot of it. I actually feel like this

1165
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 3: is only going to boost his profile over time. And

1166
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 3: I know that some of that boosting is going to

1167
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 3: come at the expense of you know, he's going to

1168
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 3: be made fun of along the way, But I actually

1169
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 3: think in the end it's going to serve his box

1170
00:54:34,600 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 3: office interest It's going to serve his visibility interests. And

1171
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: I also say, if he goes in there and has

1172
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:41,160
Speaker 3: a dominant win over Jeff Neil, goot a good competitor,

1173
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,480
Speaker 3: you know this will I think it would really set

1174
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:47,600
Speaker 3: him up for a potentially to answer some of these

1175
00:54:47,640 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 3: bigger questions that you're asking. But we should also say

1176
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 3: that if he goes in there and like gets viciously KOed,

1177
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 3: you know, the onslaught that he got once before. I

1178
00:54:56,400 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 3: don't think it's gonna be quite as bad as that,

1179
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,799
Speaker 3: but it's going to be pretty bad. He's gonna get,

1180
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:03,480
Speaker 3: gonna get it could do serious damage to his reputation.

1181
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:05,799
Speaker 3: So this is this is one of those fights that's

1182
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 3: really interesting to me. It's really gonna be a very

1183
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 3: tactical battle. And I think that a guy like Ian

1184
00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 3: Gary has a lot of opportunity to stick it to

1185
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,680
Speaker 3: people should he decide to do that with a win,

1186
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:19,240
Speaker 3: but not so easy to get a tough competitor.

1187
00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:20,200
Speaker 2: He's got here and Jeff Neil, I.

1188
00:55:20,200 --> 00:55:21,839
Speaker 1: Don't know if he'll get there Ian Gary, but i'll

1189
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: tell you what I do seem to be impressed even

1190
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,600
Speaker 1: with like he brings too much attention on himself and

1191
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 1: now he's you know, a product of means.

1192
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:30,280
Speaker 2: He's over it exposed.

1193
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's over exposed. Yes, he's jumping into the deep

1194
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 1: end of this generation. Cameras following you all the time

1195
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,880
Speaker 1: on purpose, documenting your life, being a character. I felt

1196
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 1: he's been too much of a purposeful McGregor clone to

1197
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: try to show like I'm the next big Irish thing coming.

1198
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 1: But I also think he does seem to have that

1199
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:52,080
Speaker 1: unnatural ability to block out all of that, Like he

1200
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 1: welcomes all that noise, but then he seems to have

1201
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:56,840
Speaker 1: the ability, at least up to this point, to block

1202
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,799
Speaker 1: that out and still bring out the best in him.

1203
00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 1: I could see which he gets like a head kick

1204
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,120
Speaker 1: stoppage or something crazy here, because he does seem to

1205
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 1: have those abilities. But if you do make a mistake

1206
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 1: or ref around with a guy like Jeff Neil, Jeffiel

1207
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: is coming off a loss, But I do think in

1208
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: this portion of his career he's largely reborn and in

1209
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 1: that loss, are you giving him credit for making Shavcott

1210
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: work more than anyone else has?

1211
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he tuned Showcot up at times. He was

1212
00:56:22,360 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 3: blasting him as he got into range, and Shapcott only

1213
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 3: got that at the last kind of minute, you know,

1214
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 3: with this like sort of weird choke to the side

1215
00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 3: of him with their back along the fence. It was very,

1216
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 3: very unusual, Like not a lot of guys are even

1217
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:36,279
Speaker 3: gonna know how to.

1218
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 2: Do that, much less finish it.

1219
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:41,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, he performed ably and again dude, Schofcott, you're

1220
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:43,319
Speaker 3: asking about a guy who's got like star potential and

1221
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 3: championship potential. I mean it's written all over Shafcott, Rock

1222
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 3: monoff Ian. Gary to me looks like I see a

1223
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 3: flickering of some of those lights. But I haven't seen

1224
00:56:52,840 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 3: enough of a performance beyond what we saw against Magne,

1225
00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,240
Speaker 3: which I think was I'm not going to say easy,

1226
00:56:58,280 --> 00:56:58,919
Speaker 3: that's not the right.

1227
00:56:58,840 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 2: Thing we see.

1228
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:04,040
Speaker 3: But I think a guy like Magni doesn't, Sorry, a

1229
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,080
Speaker 3: guy like Gary doesn't like to mix it up in

1230
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:08,040
Speaker 3: the way that Taporia does within that mid range, that

1231
00:57:08,080 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 3: boxing range. He really doesn't like to play there at all.

1232
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 3: He likes to use his length, which is smart. And

1233
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 3: we've talked about this before fighting Magni fit naturally into

1234
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 3: that skill set, right. It made it very very easy

1235
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 3: to do, relatively speaking, because Magni just kind of stood

1236
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 3: in the same place the whole time to be kicked.

1237
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 3: I don't know if Jeff Neil's going to do that.

1238
00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,760
Speaker 3: And Jeff Neil's return fire and you would agree with this, right,

1239
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 3: Jeff Neil's ability to return fire is very different than

1240
00:57:35,520 --> 00:57:36,840
Speaker 3: what Magni has to offer.

1241
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: Different, different threat Altogether, the odds I think are fair

1242
00:57:40,320 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: in this case Fandue having minus two forty five for

1243
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: Gary Jeff Neil plus one eighty six. But a lot

1244
00:57:46,080 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 1: of live dog potential right there. I mean, you would

1245
00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: as much as it would be a shock in an

1246
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,880
Speaker 1: upset if Jeff Neil wins this by knockout, you're not

1247
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,720
Speaker 1: going to sit here and say you're surprise Sunday morning, right,

1248
00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: you know, like it's possible, it's in play.

1249
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 3: And by the way, you know again he trains with

1250
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 3: Saud out of four to seven m A. He cut great,

1251
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 3: a great coach, a great team powerful athlete. I think

1252
00:58:10,120 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 3: that Gary probably Gary. The thing that saves Gary a

1253
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,280
Speaker 3: lot is I don't know exactly what physical tools he

1254
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 3: has yet BC. I mean, I've seen some of them obviously,

1255
00:58:18,640 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 3: but I don't think we've gotten the full array of it.

1256
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,360
Speaker 3: And so that's what one of some of the questions

1257
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 3: come from. And so if if you can do this

1258
00:58:25,720 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 3: and you can diffuse a guy like Jeff Neil and

1259
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 3: really work around that power and then land on him,

1260
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:32,880
Speaker 3: not just like touch him and go, but land on him,

1261
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 3: I think that would say a lot. But let's see

1262
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,320
Speaker 3: what Gary gives us before we.

1263
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,320
Speaker 2: Sort of make some of these declarations, you know, all.

1264
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: Right, I was thinking quickly, Look, maybe when average Joe

1265
00:58:40,720 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: art works with Brian Ortega, they can do like a

1266
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: ladies man type skit vibe. Remember that great segment on

1267
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: SNL with Tim Meadows, Remember they made a movie about it.

1268
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:50,840
Speaker 1: Maybe like Ortega can be.

1269
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 3: The Tim Meadows one of the most slept on dudes

1270
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 3: from nineties SNL. True or false, he was.

1271
00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: He hung on too long to be fair with the show,

1272
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,040
Speaker 1: but he was one of those glue guys, one of

1273
00:59:01,080 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: those absolute glue guys who could raise his game to

1274
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 1: another level by playing a bit part in an important

1275
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:11,000
Speaker 1: scene with some killers of multi generations in SNL lore.

1276
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,520
Speaker 1: I do have that massive book, you know, that oral

1277
00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: history that James Miller wrote the same guy. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: read the ESPN one and it was incredible. I've been

1279
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 1: chipping away at the SNL one over time, and it's

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00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,040
Speaker 1: also absolutely incredible if you're an old school fan of that. Luke.

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Speaker 1: This next card is the fourth card on the fight

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00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 1: on the main card in the sport's deepest and best division,

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00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,560
Speaker 1: and I'm here to tell you this is not only

1284
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: the second best fight on this card, overall, I love

1285
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: this fight so much Henry Shudo versus Morob debolish wheely

1286
00:59:42,120 --> 00:59:45,040
Speaker 1: that even without a title if they had to do

1287
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: a Hey, guys, we can't figure out UFC three hundred,

1288
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 1: So we're just gonna take this fight off of Saturday

1289
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: and make it just like a de facto comane for

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00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 1: three hundred or main event. I'd even sign up for it, Luke,

1291
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:57,440
Speaker 1: tell me why I shouldn't sit here and tell you

1292
00:59:57,640 --> 01:00:01,760
Speaker 1: that so Hudo morab is in insanely awesome of a

1293
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:05,320
Speaker 1: fight which is going to produce likely the next title challenger.

1294
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,880
Speaker 1: And if Sahudo at this age can come off of

1295
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:11,520
Speaker 1: that close loss to the champion and be the guy

1296
01:00:11,560 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 1: who looks like future champion and waiting, we're gonna have

1297
01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:17,640
Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. We already do about Sahudo

1298
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:20,160
Speaker 1: switching coaches, which we'll get to in a second. But

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01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: are you anywhere near as fired.

1300
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 2: Up as I am?

1301
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: Because I need this fight. I want this fight. Give

1302
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: me this fight right here, Luke, right frecking here, Okay,

1303
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:30,600
Speaker 1: right here, That's where I want.

1304
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,480
Speaker 3: This This fight. This fight bangs, This fight bangs. This

1305
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 3: is an amazing fight. And listen, don't take our word

1306
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 3: for it.

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01:00:38,560 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 2: You had.

1308
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was this week or the

1309
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 3: last BC. I think it was maybe two weeks ago

1310
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 3: something like that, where Sahudo himself said, Hey, if I

1311
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 3: lose to Morob, I don't know if continuing in the

1312
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:52,960
Speaker 3: fight game is worth it anymore. He's thirty seven years

1313
01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:55,320
Speaker 3: of age, right, He's now thirty seven. Think about that,

1314
01:00:55,400 --> 01:00:58,400
Speaker 3: Henry shudos thirty seven years of age. He's thirty seven

1315
01:00:58,480 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 3: years of age. If he loses very controversially to or

1316
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 3: very closely at a bare minimum to Alja Man Sterling,

1317
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,560
Speaker 3: but he can get back with a winnover Morob. Hey,

1318
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,439
Speaker 3: he's cooking with gas. He probably gets the next title shot.

1319
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 3: I guess we'll see. I don't know, but it's not

1320
01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,120
Speaker 3: all of the roma possibility at all. But if you lose,

1321
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:18,320
Speaker 3: by Henry's own admission, that could be the end. So

1322
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:21,720
Speaker 3: this is high stakes no matter what. This could be again,

1323
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 3: could be a retirement fight for a guy who was

1324
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 3: an Olympic champion and then the two weight world champion

1325
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,320
Speaker 3: in the UFC. That's big by itself, but more to

1326
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 3: the point we see about the matchup individually, it's just

1327
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 3: a phenomenal one. Marab Dawallashwheely has what we have considered

1328
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 3: on this show to be one of the very best

1329
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 3: motors in combat sports. We've really ever seen a guy

1330
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:47,360
Speaker 3: who has no limit. He's a no limit soldier masterpiece

1331
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 3: style in terms of the fact that he has to

1332
01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:54,320
Speaker 3: never ever ration offense. He never has to worry about

1333
01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:55,920
Speaker 3: whether the gas is going to be there in the

1334
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,560
Speaker 3: fifth round for him to make a push. It's always

1335
01:01:58,560 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 3: going to be there, and it's always going to be

1336
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 3: there at a level that will shock you.

1337
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Speaker 2: He's going up.

1338
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 3: Against a guy who is a little bit longer in

1339
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:07,240
Speaker 3: the twoth at age thirty seven, but is something of

1340
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,000
Speaker 3: a technical Marvel himself in Henry Sahudo, a guy who's

1341
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,240
Speaker 3: got lights out wrestling who, in my VIEWBC has the

1342
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,760
Speaker 3: best inside trip in all of MMA, and that's he

1343
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,960
Speaker 3: uses it. He used it on Demitrius Johnson, he used

1344
01:02:17,960 --> 01:02:19,760
Speaker 3: it on a lot of different folks. He is very,

1345
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 3: very gifted with it. Who is a phenomenal striker when

1346
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:26,320
Speaker 3: he's you know, I think, playing at his best so

1347
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,240
Speaker 3: to speak, and has you know, just a wealth of

1348
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 3: combat sports and of course MMA experience as well. He

1349
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 3: to me is the technician here, whereas Morob I do

1350
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:39,760
Speaker 3: think is getting technically better, and that is also part

1351
01:02:39,880 --> 01:02:43,439
Speaker 3: of the story. And by the way, BC three round fight,

1352
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 3: let's keep that in mind. So a three round fight,

1353
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 3: which could change the equation here a little bit, right,

1354
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 3: But you know, Morob is going to put on a

1355
01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 3: tidal wave of offense on this guy. And so the

1356
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 3: question you have to ask yourself is does Henry Sahuto

1357
01:02:58,840 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 3: have enough technical none and the ability to match some

1358
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 3: of that physical intensity to overpower what will be a

1359
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:09,080
Speaker 3: much more physical effort in terms of volume and everything

1360
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,439
Speaker 3: else from a guy like Morob. It is a fascinating

1361
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 3: question with high stakes involved. Winner probably gets a title shot. Loser,

1362
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:19,720
Speaker 3: in the case of Sahudo, if it's him, might retire

1363
01:03:19,760 --> 01:03:23,200
Speaker 3: from the sport, big, big, big fight.

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Speaker 1: I don't think people respect Henry Suhuto enough. And it's

1365
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 1: not a new thought. We've always said that. Look, some

1366
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 1: of the way that he's embraced, embraced the cringe character

1367
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,600
Speaker 1: of the Triple C that whole line of humor, and

1368
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:39,000
Speaker 1: he was more aggressive years ago online with this, you know,

1369
01:03:39,080 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: I felt like it did water down his accomplishments in

1370
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:43,760
Speaker 1: what people really thought of him. But let me just

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01:03:43,800 --> 01:03:45,360
Speaker 1: remind you of one thing I know. He just is

1372
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,480
Speaker 1: coming off of loss. He took a three year retirement,

1373
01:03:49,080 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: came back with no warm up fight, took on a

1374
01:03:51,920 --> 01:03:54,800
Speaker 1: powfer pound ranked al Jamaine Sterling, who was the champion

1375
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 1: in the sports historically deep bantamweight division at the moment,

1376
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 1: and even though he rightfully lost, he did show you

1377
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 1: that short of a late start and some ring rust

1378
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: which did seem to show up in the first couple

1379
01:04:08,760 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: of rounds he was in that fight was it was

1380
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:13,000
Speaker 1: almost head and head, you know, head to head down

1381
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 1: the stretch. It really shows you that had he not

1382
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: taken off so much time, or had he been able

1383
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:21,240
Speaker 1: to put back to back training camps together, which is

1384
01:04:21,240 --> 01:04:23,720
Speaker 1: why I do hold a lot of optimism that even

1385
01:04:23,760 --> 01:04:27,040
Speaker 1: at thirty seven, even against Morob, who, like I said,

1386
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 1: if anybody in this sport screams future champion more than Morob,

1387
01:04:31,600 --> 01:04:33,360
Speaker 1: it's like, get in line right behind him, like he's

1388
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: right there. I think Shudo actually could do this, and

1389
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: I think he deserves more respect than I necessarily think

1390
01:04:40,160 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: people are saying because what he did against al Jo

1391
01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: on such a break, against such a dynamic fighter, and

1392
01:04:46,600 --> 01:04:48,920
Speaker 1: was able to rally in that fight and raise his

1393
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 1: game and you know, be respectable in a split decision loss,

1394
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: be very respectable. There is that technical advantage like you're

1395
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: talking about, but Luke Morob and that endless motor inevitably

1396
01:05:02,760 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: takes down and wears down. Ultimately, everybody will Suhudo's gold

1397
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: medal winning wrestling defense and grappling ability be enough to

1398
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,320
Speaker 1: make this a stand up plight, because if this is

1399
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:18,360
Speaker 1: a stand up fight for fifteen minutes, even thirty seven,

1400
01:05:18,480 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: shudos got skills. You'd gotta give him the credit for

1401
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 1: the beautiful mind. He has become the IQ that has

1402
01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 1: allowed him to be great. And while he hasn't maximized

1403
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: the second half of his career through some strategic time off,

1404
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,200
Speaker 1: he's right back in the mix. Can he avoid being

1405
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: on his back against Morob? This is a yes or

1406
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:38,800
Speaker 1: no question.

1407
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes he can. Yes.

1408
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:45,600
Speaker 3: Morob is a little bit like Joel Romero. What I

1409
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,200
Speaker 3: mean by that is Yoel had I don't know if

1410
01:05:48,200 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 3: his numbers were the same, but the point.

1411
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:50,760
Speaker 2: Would be this.

1412
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:54,560
Speaker 3: Yoel had the ability to deliver you to the mat,

1413
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:56,920
Speaker 3: but he did not have great matt control. He came

1414
01:05:56,920 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 3: from freestyle wrestling where it's not the same. It's the

1415
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,920
Speaker 3: folk style where you actually get much better of the

1416
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,760
Speaker 3: matt control. You would never see him like collect wrists

1417
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:04,120
Speaker 3: and then.

1418
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:04,959
Speaker 2: Go for ground and pound.

1419
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 3: He would be just kind of wilding on the floor.

1420
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 3: He never really had the same control. Morob's a bit

1421
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,080
Speaker 3: like that, and Morob has many more takedowns and much

1422
01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 3: more offense, but he's not like a ground guy in

1423
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:17,800
Speaker 3: that particular way. However, BC, I've got to reach you

1424
01:06:17,840 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 3: these stats. I mean, it's just the most shocking shit

1425
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:23,920
Speaker 3: on earth. Now, this won't be shocking. Henry Suhudo's takedown

1426
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,160
Speaker 3: defense eighty three percent.

1427
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:25,959
Speaker 2: Very good.

1428
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 3: Obviously people can get him down, but he's hard to

1429
01:06:28,640 --> 01:06:31,960
Speaker 3: hold down, right. We know that taking out accuracy is

1430
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:34,440
Speaker 3: not high. But he's good for about two per fifteen minutes,

1431
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 3: so you can go. You might get two takedowns per

1432
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 3: fifteen minutes. It's gonna be a fifteen minute fight.

1433
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:41,400
Speaker 2: How about old Morob? How about Morob?

1434
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 3: Morobs take down defense not quite as good, but still

1435
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:45,880
Speaker 3: pretty good seventy eight percent. But again, who holds him

1436
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 3: down for long periods of times?

1437
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:47,200
Speaker 2: Not?

1438
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, not many people takedouts per fifteen

1439
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 3: minutes PC per fifteen minutes six point five to five.

1440
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 3: I don't think I've ever seen one that high. That's absurd.

1441
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 3: That's absurd. That's more than two around, more than two around.

1442
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 3: That's insane. That's insane that he can do this kind

1443
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 3: of thing, and he can do it, by the way,

1444
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 3: from minute one to minute fifteen to minute twenty five.

1445
01:07:13,240 --> 01:07:15,080
Speaker 3: To me, what's going to be interesting on this one,

1446
01:07:15,120 --> 01:07:18,440
Speaker 3: BC is I could imagine a world because by the way,

1447
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 3: jose Aldo was able to stop most of the takedowns,

1448
01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 3: if not nearly all of them from Morob, but he

1449
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:26,560
Speaker 3: couldn't get Morob off of him, and he ultimately succumbed

1450
01:07:26,600 --> 01:07:29,040
Speaker 3: in the end. Granted that was elevation, that's a little

1451
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:31,360
Speaker 3: bit different, but you get the idea. But the point

1452
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:34,600
Speaker 3: I wanted to make here WASBC, what if Shuto comes

1453
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 3: out and has a strong round one. Stuff's to take downs,

1454
01:07:37,160 --> 01:07:40,479
Speaker 3: down blocks, circles, hits them with some big shots, you know, like, okay,

1455
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:44,880
Speaker 3: you're down one Morob. Morob is not a great finisher,

1456
01:07:45,280 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 3: right that there is one knock on him. He's not

1457
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:50,720
Speaker 3: that great at putting guys away. I mean, he has

1458
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 3: he has some finishes on his record, but he doesn't

1459
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,040
Speaker 3: have lights out jiu jitsu. He doesn't have one punch

1460
01:07:55,120 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 3: knockout power. It's really not what he does. He puts

1461
01:07:57,160 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 3: vall he reiins on you. That's what he does. If

1462
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:04,400
Speaker 3: he loses the first that second round battle is going

1463
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 3: to be the most crucial test of the entire fight itself. Now,

1464
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,120
Speaker 3: if Morob's out to a lead, obviously you.

1465
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 2: Can't, you know, just let it go.

1466
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:15,040
Speaker 3: But to me, it gets much more interesting if he's

1467
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,920
Speaker 3: down around you got two left and you have to

1468
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:18,840
Speaker 3: rain on this guy.

1469
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:21,439
Speaker 2: Wow, that's good, dude, you were so right.

1470
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 3: This is the second best fight on this card by

1471
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 3: a million miles. This one is so interesting.

1472
01:08:26,840 --> 01:08:29,559
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the odds quickly, FanDuel having minus one

1473
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,839
Speaker 1: ninety six Marob de Vaz Wheelly as your favorite, plus

1474
01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,960
Speaker 1: one point fifty two for the thirty seven year old.

1475
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:35,759
Speaker 2: About right, Hudo.

1476
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,600
Speaker 1: But if you watch the UFC countdown show ahead of

1477
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 1: this card, a awkward reality TV type setup moment where

1478
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,559
Speaker 1: Henry Sahudo sat down the captain a friend of this program,

1479
01:08:46,680 --> 01:08:50,639
Speaker 1: Eric Albarasin, somebody who has been in his corner since

1480
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:54,800
Speaker 1: the Olympics, who has essentially been his mascot. But look,

1481
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:57,920
Speaker 1: let's put some respect on the captain's name. You know,

1482
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: he's there with the Pitbull brothers and Brail constantly. He's

1483
01:09:01,080 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: a world class trainer. That was awkward as shit to

1484
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,280
Speaker 1: see Henry sit him down. It didn't feel like this

1485
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:08,960
Speaker 1: was the first time they had this conversation. They looked

1486
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:11,639
Speaker 1: like they had it for cameras and just say, Captain man,

1487
01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:13,639
Speaker 1: you know, I know you support me, but I gotta

1488
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: go in a different direction. I gotta get a new team.

1489
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 1: Captain had that sort of like Gulf moment, but but

1490
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,280
Speaker 1: it looked like he was trying to be a friend

1491
01:09:22,320 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: and not get upset. And then he's like, see, that's

1492
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:25,599
Speaker 1: why you're the greatest coach.

1493
01:09:25,920 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 2: Dude.

1494
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:29,120
Speaker 1: You just embarrassed the f out of a man who

1495
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:32,280
Speaker 1: has been, you know, part of the fabric of your story.

1496
01:09:32,320 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that fighters can't change trainers like it

1497
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 1: happens in key moments all the time, and look at

1498
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,240
Speaker 1: how much growth sometimes they can get out of it.

1499
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: Who's going to be the new trainer? And Luke, why

1500
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:45,040
Speaker 1: do you do this on camera? What the hell's going

1501
01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:46,799
Speaker 1: on here? So Udough that was craz.

1502
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:50,839
Speaker 3: To the point it's like, I don't have any comment

1503
01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 3: on whether Eric Albert Sine should have been fired.

1504
01:09:54,200 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1505
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,680
Speaker 3: I honestly don't know. I leave that decision we all

1506
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:00,799
Speaker 3: do to Henry. It's not a none of our business.

1507
01:10:00,840 --> 01:10:04,200
Speaker 3: It's his camp, it's his money, it's his relationship, it's

1508
01:10:04,200 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 3: his to manage the way he sees fit in terms

1509
01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:08,919
Speaker 3: of promoting his best long term professional interests.

1510
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:13,719
Speaker 2: I don't understand why he did that. I don't quite

1511
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 2: get that.

1512
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 3: It's like, okay, so there's two possible interpretations, right, So

1513
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 3: one is that he did it on camera because he's

1514
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 3: just kind of a clueless donk, which would not be

1515
01:10:21,920 --> 01:10:24,760
Speaker 3: a great interpretation, but it would make sense. The other

1516
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 3: one is he knew it's probably not the best to

1517
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:30,719
Speaker 3: do in terms of like maximizing professionalism, but he wanted

1518
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 3: it for the clicks. And it's like, that's also not

1519
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 3: great where you're transactionalizing the relationship you have with a

1520
01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:43,639
Speaker 3: long standing like friend and like professional colleague. I mean, BC,

1521
01:10:43,800 --> 01:10:45,720
Speaker 3: I'll be clear, you know, when I'm ready to dump you,

1522
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:48,280
Speaker 3: I am also going to do it on camera, but

1523
01:10:48,400 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 3: you know I'm gonna do it with a little bit

1524
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,480
Speaker 3: more tact and I'll bring a cake to the party.

1525
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:57,120
Speaker 2: Window. Yeah, I don't.

1526
01:10:57,320 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 3: I found this one like baffling. I found it very

1527
01:11:00,040 --> 01:11:01,600
Speaker 3: and ask the people being like no, no, no. You

1528
01:11:01,720 --> 01:11:03,880
Speaker 3: could see afterwards he was like, you're one of the

1529
01:11:03,880 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 3: greatest coaches. I'm like, guys, if you care about someone

1530
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 3: and you have to have a tough conversation with him,

1531
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 3: it's it's not our business. It's like, I don't, I

1532
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 3: don't and to the point where I don't even want

1533
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:17,640
Speaker 3: to see it. Yeah, strange And by the way, I

1534
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:19,600
Speaker 3: think he followed me up until recently, and then I

1535
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:23,160
Speaker 3: tweeted very lightly like question mark could have been done

1536
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:24,800
Speaker 3: behind closed doors, and then I think you have followed

1537
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:25,720
Speaker 3: me for it, So there you go.

1538
01:11:26,120 --> 01:11:28,240
Speaker 1: Oh look, you can't. You know, you can't live your

1539
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,559
Speaker 1: life trying to befriend fighters unless you plan on doing

1540
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,519
Speaker 1: a completely critique free coverage style, which by the way,

1541
01:11:35,600 --> 01:11:38,679
Speaker 1: would get you front row credentials at a UFC fight

1542
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,840
Speaker 1: and possibly an on air job with Power Slabs. So

1543
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 1: if you had played your cards better, your career could

1544
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:46,840
Speaker 1: be in a different spot. But I wouldn't stress that.

1545
01:11:46,880 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 1: Do you know which coach or teams who always plugging

1546
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,360
Speaker 1: in I don't.

1547
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:55,800
Speaker 3: I actually I reached out to Eric via WhatsApp. I

1548
01:11:55,840 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 3: haven't heard back yet, so let's see what happens.

1549
01:11:58,120 --> 01:11:58,519
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1550
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: I hope he sends you back drunken video where he's

1551
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:04,000
Speaker 1: wearing those skull glasses like he sent us during what

1552
01:12:04,120 --> 01:12:06,439
Speaker 1: was it? It was Logan Paul versus Floyd in.

1553
01:12:06,320 --> 01:12:08,400
Speaker 2: My yeah at the hard Rock Cafe or.

1554
01:12:10,120 --> 01:12:12,479
Speaker 1: Saw him on the floor of the stadium, but then

1555
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: we had to go to the upper deck to get

1556
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 1: ready to film our thing, and he sent us the

1557
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,920
Speaker 1: drunkest love messages of all time. And you know, I

1558
01:12:20,280 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 1: still feel it right here, pitter patter in the heart.

1559
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:23,080
Speaker 1: That man gets us.

1560
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:26,719
Speaker 3: Luke, Okay, I think he's a great guy again. Henry

1561
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:28,320
Speaker 3: might be right to let him go. I don't know,

1562
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 3: if I don't know what is going on where he

1563
01:12:30,439 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 3: feels like that might be the right call. Only Henry

1564
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:35,000
Speaker 3: knows the answer to that. I'm just like, dude, like,

1565
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:38,080
Speaker 3: you don't have to do that, either performatively or otherwise

1566
01:12:38,200 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 3: for any of us, Like we're cool on that.

1567
01:12:40,360 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 2: You know, no thanks.

1568
01:12:41,479 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: I can't wait to see if so Hudo can pull

1569
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:45,680
Speaker 1: this off, and if he doesn't, if Morob gets the

1570
01:12:45,720 --> 01:12:49,439
Speaker 1: win under any means necessary fit them for the winner

1571
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:53,320
Speaker 1: of Cheeto versus O'Malley Luke, it's time fit fit his

1572
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:56,200
Speaker 1: belt for the for the size, for the title, right,

1573
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:58,479
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's time. Let's close out the

1574
01:12:58,520 --> 01:13:02,360
Speaker 1: main card. It's time right now. Middleweights Anthony Hernandez kicking

1575
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:05,599
Speaker 1: it off against Roman Copylov. Luke, it feels like a

1576
01:13:05,640 --> 01:13:07,559
Speaker 1: step down. Tell me why it isn't.

1577
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:10,760
Speaker 3: Candidly, I love this fight. Now, this was supposed to

1578
01:13:10,760 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 3: be Anthony Hernandez, I believe, versus Ikramela Skarov, and then

1579
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:15,760
Speaker 3: he fell out, and so they've got Copylov coming in

1580
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 3: on short notice. So maybe that part's not so great.

1581
01:13:18,520 --> 01:13:21,080
Speaker 3: I don't know his readiness at this point. But if

1582
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 3: you're talking about two guys who are worth little more

1583
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 3: exciting prospects slash contenders at one five, it's these two

1584
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 3: guys for sure. I mean Anthony Hernandez guys, he's got

1585
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 3: wins over Vieira Judelpho Viira. He's got wins over Mark

1586
01:13:36,680 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 3: Andre Berrio, who just fought recently. He's got to win

1587
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 3: over Edmond Shabazian. He's got four wins in a row.

1588
01:13:42,360 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 3: By the way, he's got a tremendous arm triangle. How

1589
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 3: about this BC we were talking about takedowns per fifteen minutes.

1590
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:50,800
Speaker 3: How about a guy I just I just said Morob

1591
01:13:50,880 --> 01:13:53,280
Speaker 3: had an insane number. How about Anthony Hernandez six point

1592
01:13:53,400 --> 01:13:58,280
Speaker 3: seventy nine, six point seventy nine more than two around

1593
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:02,960
Speaker 3: and he's a middleweight. He has a phenomenal gas tank himself.

1594
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 3: By the way, he's got a positive striking differential four

1595
01:14:05,160 --> 01:14:07,479
Speaker 3: point three to three to three point three six if

1596
01:14:07,479 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 3: you're looking at that for Anthony Hernandez. Now, I don't

1597
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,280
Speaker 3: think he's the striker that Copylove is by a million miles,

1598
01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 3: but he's got a lot going for him in the

1599
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,920
Speaker 3: right direction. Copylav is interesting because he has quietly come

1600
01:14:17,960 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 3: out of nowhere. I mean his first fight I think

1601
01:14:20,479 --> 01:14:23,320
Speaker 3: in the UFC against derayah Or at the first fright

1602
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:26,720
Speaker 3: I remember from him was not an impressive showcase. But

1603
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,880
Speaker 3: since then he beat your guy Dick Rico, uh, and

1604
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 3: then he has the winner of a Punahelle Soriano, and

1605
01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,280
Speaker 3: then Hibero and then Fremed in his last two contests,

1606
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:38,479
Speaker 3: and he has absolutely blown the doors off these guys. Violent,

1607
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 3: violent striker hands and feet quickly, good combinations can work

1608
01:14:44,080 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 3: at range, no hesitation, throwing, push forward, all kinds of stuff.

1609
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:50,920
Speaker 3: His numbers don't look as impressive statistically four point seven

1610
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,599
Speaker 3: to two strikes landed permitted to four point eleven, though

1611
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 3: he does have a positive differential and to that point,

1612
01:14:56,280 --> 01:14:59,639
Speaker 3: BC point four to seven takedowns per fifteen minutes. He's

1613
01:14:59,680 --> 01:15:01,080
Speaker 3: not going to go for the takedown, but you might

1614
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:03,639
Speaker 3: be asking what was his takedown defensive rate? How about

1615
01:15:03,720 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 3: ninety two percent? Very very good up to this point.

1616
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,160
Speaker 3: So to me, BC, this is not quite the same

1617
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:11,880
Speaker 3: as Shudo versus morob where the way we had set

1618
01:15:11,880 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 3: it up, but it's got some of the same features

1619
01:15:14,200 --> 01:15:15,519
Speaker 3: where you've got to go there is. This is a

1620
01:15:15,520 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 3: little bit more striker grappler, although Hernandez can strike.

1621
01:15:19,080 --> 01:15:19,920
Speaker 2: But Hernandez has.

1622
01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,640
Speaker 3: Got this guy who's going to be putting all of

1623
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 3: this sort of multi phasic offense together right trying to

1624
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 3: dump it on a guy like Copulov force him to wrestle.

1625
01:15:29,240 --> 01:15:31,640
Speaker 3: I would just say this, I'd be very surprised if

1626
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:35,719
Speaker 3: Hernandez tries to strike with Copulov for long time, long periods,

1627
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 3: unless he's forced to, and if he's forced too. It's

1628
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:41,240
Speaker 3: a different ballgame. But on the other hand, if Hernandez

1629
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,600
Speaker 3: is able to get the takedown, dude, Fluffy Hernandez is

1630
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,320
Speaker 3: one of these guys who has come out of nowhere,

1631
01:15:45,760 --> 01:15:49,000
Speaker 3: an exciting, exciting fighter at one hundred and eighty five pounds.

1632
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:49,280
Speaker 2: Love it.

1633
01:15:49,720 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 1: He's a favorite. Fluffy Hernandez minus two h five on

1634
01:15:52,280 --> 01:15:54,720
Speaker 1: FanDuel plus one point fifty eight. The other way to

1635
01:15:54,760 --> 01:15:57,479
Speaker 1: Copulov who is on that streak. As you mentioned, that's

1636
01:15:57,479 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: your kickoff banger to open the pay per view card.

1637
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:03,840
Speaker 1: But look, the preliminary featured about on ESPN and ESPN

1638
01:16:03,880 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 1: Plus has an interesting storyline at women's strawweight the one

1639
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,479
Speaker 1: to one five that Mackenzie Dern on short notice will

1640
01:16:10,520 --> 01:16:14,920
Speaker 1: come in and take Amanda Limosh looking for yet again

1641
01:16:15,120 --> 01:16:19,519
Speaker 1: a redemptive win to put the long standing title hopes

1642
01:16:19,560 --> 01:16:22,840
Speaker 1: on track. Last time out for McKenzie Dern, it was

1643
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:27,200
Speaker 1: absolutely disastrous against Jessica Androge and Androge who had come

1644
01:16:27,360 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: off of multiple losses stoppage finished losses, and here we

1645
01:16:31,439 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 1: saw Andrage hammer away with shots. Dern eventually fold and

1646
01:16:35,360 --> 01:16:38,120
Speaker 1: gets stopped in the second round. That fight was notable

1647
01:16:38,160 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: because Jason Perrillo after Ruka Clos was not in her corner.

1648
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:46,000
Speaker 1: Who was was Antonio Trecoli who now in this past week,

1649
01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,520
Speaker 1: the two of them have shared an Instagram post portraying

1650
01:16:49,600 --> 01:16:51,519
Speaker 1: that they are in a relationship with each other, which

1651
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 1: which had been the whisper around that fight against andraje

1652
01:16:56,280 --> 01:16:59,040
Speaker 1: So new coach. I'm sure her dad Megatron's still in

1653
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:01,839
Speaker 1: the corner as well, But look, it's the same narrative.

1654
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: Can she get it together? Taking a short notice fight

1655
01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:08,400
Speaker 1: against a dangerous fighter gives her the opportunity to quickly

1656
01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 1: change that narrative. But is there enough time with a

1657
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 1: new team, a new coach, and a new situation here

1658
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: for Darn to ever get right? That's the age old,

1659
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 1: that timeless mma question. Is it ever going to happen

1660
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:25,559
Speaker 1: or not? Does she have nine lives before eventually getting

1661
01:17:25,560 --> 01:17:28,479
Speaker 1: a title shot? Will it happen here Saturday night? Yes

1662
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:28,760
Speaker 1: or no?

1663
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:36,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, Yeah right, Dern has looked in

1664
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:39,439
Speaker 3: that last fight against Andraw. She looked terrible, you know,

1665
01:17:39,479 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 3: And I try not to use words like that when

1666
01:17:41,240 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 3: I talk about professional fighters, you know, I really try.

1667
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,639
Speaker 3: I'm sure they don't feel this way, but just peel

1668
01:17:46,680 --> 01:17:47,639
Speaker 3: back the curtain for just a minute.

1669
01:17:47,680 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 2: BC.

1670
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:51,240
Speaker 3: We do try to not be insulting to fighters if

1671
01:17:51,280 --> 01:17:53,120
Speaker 3: we can at all help it. Now, sometimes we get

1672
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 3: that wrong, and sometimes we do, but I try not

1673
01:17:55,720 --> 01:17:57,720
Speaker 3: to do it, And even now I'm not doing it maliciously.

1674
01:17:57,720 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 2: BC, I'm not doing it.

1675
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:00,639
Speaker 3: I'm gonna stick it to Mackenzie Durn blah blah. That's

1676
01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,439
Speaker 3: not what I'm trying to do here. But I'm just

1677
01:18:02,479 --> 01:18:05,960
Speaker 3: trying to make an honest evaluator. I had made a VIDEOBC.

1678
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:09,000
Speaker 3: This was some time ago. If I'm looking at her

1679
01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:13,439
Speaker 3: run Mackenzie Dern, I think this was. I'm not trying

1680
01:18:13,439 --> 01:18:15,280
Speaker 3: to see when this was. I forget which fight it was.

1681
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 3: Where she had like this really terrible ground in pound

1682
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,519
Speaker 3: because she was balancing off of her head to keep

1683
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:24,120
Speaker 3: a high hit position so that she could go for

1684
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:25,840
Speaker 3: like an arm bar or something, which never really came.

1685
01:18:25,880 --> 01:18:28,559
Speaker 3: And so she had this really sort of very very

1686
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:31,559
Speaker 3: very limited ground and pound versus kind of really driving

1687
01:18:31,600 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 3: someone and pinning them to the floor and then beating

1688
01:18:34,040 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 3: them up more Dagistani style, which is a much better

1689
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:38,040
Speaker 3: style of ground and pound, and like how it needed

1690
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,080
Speaker 3: to change and there was some she looked good against

1691
01:18:40,080 --> 01:18:42,120
Speaker 3: Angela Hill, I thought for the most part, but then

1692
01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:45,479
Speaker 3: really bad, really really bad. She's regressed in many many ways.

1693
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,599
Speaker 3: I think changing coaches and changing teams again, there can

1694
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 3: be a way to do it, in a way not

1695
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:51,680
Speaker 3: to do it. I'm beginning to question about whether or

1696
01:18:51,720 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 3: not she had done it the right way. I just

1697
01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:56,400
Speaker 3: have not seen basic development. How do you how have

1698
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:58,920
Speaker 3: you been in the UFC this this long and your

1699
01:18:58,960 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 3: double is still your over at the waist like this

1700
01:19:02,320 --> 01:19:04,240
Speaker 3: with terrible posture. You're not going to run. I mean,

1701
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 3: there's certain ways to get away with that. But even

1702
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 3: though she doesn't really necessarily do all that well her

1703
01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 3: striking like where's the jab? She does take a punch,

1704
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:13,519
Speaker 3: well that I think that has saved her.

1705
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:18,839
Speaker 1: And hand does have a big right hand yeah.

1706
01:19:18,680 --> 01:19:19,519
Speaker 2: And a menda lamosh.

1707
01:19:19,560 --> 01:19:22,200
Speaker 3: Remember she got head norm triangle standing now granted just

1708
01:19:22,200 --> 01:19:24,000
Speaker 3: got on Drodge is a powerhouse, so that kind of

1709
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,120
Speaker 3: explains it. But still you know she's submission vulnerable where

1710
01:19:27,240 --> 01:19:29,479
Speaker 3: against anybody if she gets them to the floor. You

1711
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:33,160
Speaker 3: like Durn's chances all things being what they are, But BC,

1712
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:35,840
Speaker 3: I mean, tell me I'm wrong, Tell me you saw

1713
01:19:35,880 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 3: something in the Androge fight that didn't make alarm bells

1714
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 3: go off, that didn't tell you that she was heading

1715
01:19:41,520 --> 01:19:43,200
Speaker 3: in the wrong direction.

1716
01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,880
Speaker 1: It was bad for me her chances of putting the

1717
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 1: train back on the tracks this whole stretch. And it's

1718
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:52,160
Speaker 1: not out of any weird Instagram love that you might

1719
01:19:52,200 --> 01:19:54,880
Speaker 1: ascribe for me in a joking. Well, shit, it's just

1720
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,519
Speaker 1: that there were there are some intangibles in there that

1721
01:19:57,600 --> 01:20:00,800
Speaker 1: she is overwhelming or not overwhelming, but she's pl and

1722
01:20:00,840 --> 01:20:03,280
Speaker 1: the chin's one of them. But you know, anytime she

1723
01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:05,479
Speaker 1: puts together a good stretch of striking, you either have

1724
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:08,479
Speaker 1: to question the opponent she's fighting in terms of not

1725
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 1: getting too overboard an excitement, or you have to keep

1726
01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,479
Speaker 1: in the reality that her performance is wane at times

1727
01:20:14,479 --> 01:20:16,720
Speaker 1: from fight to fight. How about this, luke, She'll be

1728
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,559
Speaker 1: fighting a thirty six year old a Mondolemos who's still

1729
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: tough out, very dangerous. But her last three wins meaning

1730
01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:26,680
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Dern, while on paper they look great when you

1731
01:20:26,760 --> 01:20:31,439
Speaker 1: beat Angela Hill, Marina Hadriguez by stoppage, and Michelle Waterson.

1732
01:20:31,800 --> 01:20:34,320
Speaker 1: All three of those fighters were thirty five or older

1733
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:36,680
Speaker 1: at the point of during fighting them as well, so

1734
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: you can see the sort of level of competition and

1735
01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 1: the time she faces them that yes, there are certain

1736
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,840
Speaker 1: matchups here where she can just almost like Paula Costa

1737
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 1: in a different way, can rely on the size, the power,

1738
01:20:49,800 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: the chin, the explosiveness, some of these other things. But

1739
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:56,479
Speaker 1: all the stuff you've been picking apart meticulously technique wise,

1740
01:20:56,560 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 1: that if it doesn't get switched or changed or improved upon,

1741
01:21:00,160 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 1: will ultimately be her undoing. We literally saw that happen

1742
01:21:04,040 --> 01:21:06,280
Speaker 1: against Andrage, and then you add in the change of

1743
01:21:06,600 --> 01:21:09,680
Speaker 1: direction with the corner and the leadership behind her. I mean,

1744
01:21:09,720 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 1: I'll give you know, I'll give Tracolia a second chance

1745
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:13,640
Speaker 1: here and the second fight as head trainer. But it

1746
01:21:13,720 --> 01:21:17,000
Speaker 1: just seems like, you know, with everything that she's vocalized

1747
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 1: ahead of her last two fights about the difficulties of

1748
01:21:19,240 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 1: her divorce and the custody battle and the everything negative

1749
01:21:22,240 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 1: that goes on with that, we thought that that maybe

1750
01:21:25,160 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 1: revived her two fights ago, but when she stepped in

1751
01:21:28,439 --> 01:21:30,679
Speaker 1: there against a tougher matchup, the lack of head movement,

1752
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,599
Speaker 1: everything just went against her. I'm now at the point

1753
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: where I can't she can't be my next Adrian Broner

1754
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 1: or a zab Judah or any other fighter you insert where

1755
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:41,120
Speaker 1: I'm just always gonna believe they've got one more big

1756
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: one or an ability to start another wind streak. I

1757
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:46,519
Speaker 1: no longer believe it, Luke, I've seen enough to know

1758
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 1: I've seen too much. I hope for her sake she

1759
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,880
Speaker 1: can get a w here and turn it around. But

1760
01:21:51,080 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 1: the implosion factor, which maybe was held together in the

1761
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:57,360
Speaker 1: past by the fact that she has a good chain,

1762
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:00,559
Speaker 1: and you don't find Jessica and Rodge's often in the

1763
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:03,639
Speaker 1: women's starweight division people with one punch power that can

1764
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: change the course of the fight. But it really only

1765
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:09,720
Speaker 1: took a small handful of overhands from Andrage to look

1766
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:11,679
Speaker 1: like the nose was on its way to being broken

1767
01:22:12,000 --> 01:22:13,760
Speaker 1: and that she could be stopped at any point. And

1768
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: that was only round two, by the way. So the

1769
01:22:16,479 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 1: more sophisticated the striker, the worst of an issue she's

1770
01:22:20,120 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 1: going to have, especially if she can't take you down

1771
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:28,000
Speaker 1: and try to dominate physically on top. So's she's entering

1772
01:22:28,040 --> 01:22:31,559
Speaker 1: reality show TV levels. I've said that about certain fighters' careers,

1773
01:22:31,640 --> 01:22:34,360
Speaker 1: like Aaron Pico or like Tao Femal Lopez and boxing

1774
01:22:34,439 --> 01:22:36,519
Speaker 1: right now, you just don't know what you're gonna get.

1775
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 4: Man.

1776
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:39,880
Speaker 1: But but the journey and the ride is still entertaining

1777
01:22:39,960 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 1: for that idea of scene. Can they finally put it together? Man?

1778
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:45,439
Speaker 1: This is a close up, dude. This is a big

1779
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,839
Speaker 1: pay per view pre TV more or less on ESPN

1780
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:52,519
Speaker 1: and the featured about Uh, it's it's been an hour

1781
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 1: and never before. But is it really now? We're never now?

1782
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:56,679
Speaker 1: Is this an now? We're never fight?

1783
01:22:57,240 --> 01:22:59,120
Speaker 3: Well, I mean she's thirty, she'll be thirty one. I

1784
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 3: mean I think she'll be one soon. I'm not sure

1785
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:03,280
Speaker 3: exactly how. I think she's like thirty and ten months,

1786
01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:09,479
Speaker 3: so she's not it's like, is time up? No, in

1787
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:12,000
Speaker 3: the sense that she's still in her physical prime or

1788
01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:15,280
Speaker 3: should be in a overall in her career prime. But

1789
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 3: what I'm saying is, pardon me if this is how

1790
01:23:20,280 --> 01:23:24,720
Speaker 3: you're looking in your prime. Yeah, you're not going to

1791
01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:28,000
Speaker 3: be champion, right. I mean again, let's reserve the right

1792
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 3: to say, hey, let's see what happens next. And you know,

1793
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 3: she gets it turned around. All things great, great, But

1794
01:23:34,600 --> 01:23:36,599
Speaker 3: up to this point, have I seen something that tells

1795
01:23:36,640 --> 01:23:37,559
Speaker 3: me she can be a champion?

1796
01:23:37,640 --> 01:23:38,720
Speaker 2: No? No, I have not.

1797
01:23:38,840 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: I've not seen that Limos minus one fifty year FanDuel

1798
01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 1: betting favorite plus one point eighteen. The slight dog is

1799
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: derned uh look quickly, Marcos Rogierio. Uh Delima's going to

1800
01:23:52,360 --> 01:23:54,840
Speaker 1: take one half of the tour of TAFA against Justin.

1801
01:23:54,920 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't think you're into that. Is there

1802
01:23:57,080 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 1: anything else on this prelim or early prelim that you

1803
01:23:59,840 --> 01:24:02,080
Speaker 1: do think the fans should should wake up for or

1804
01:24:02,160 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 1: schedule forward? Take notice?

1805
01:24:04,120 --> 01:24:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, Rindya Knackamora taking on Carlos Veda, Carlos Vera out

1806
01:24:09,960 --> 01:24:11,600
Speaker 3: of Ecuador. But that's not the guy I wants you

1807
01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:15,680
Speaker 3: to pay attention to. It's Rinya Knackamorra. Knakamura is unfeeded.

1808
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:17,479
Speaker 3: But that's not the most interesting part about him.

1809
01:24:17,479 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 2: How old is he?

1810
01:24:18,280 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 3: Knackamorra is currently just twenty eight years old. Knakamorra was

1811
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:26,960
Speaker 3: an under twenty three freestyle world champion in wrestling. This

1812
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:28,439
Speaker 3: is a guy who and you y'll be asking how

1813
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:30,640
Speaker 3: the Japanese good at wrestling. The Japanese are very good

1814
01:24:30,680 --> 01:24:32,680
Speaker 3: at wrestling, and he was very very good up to

1815
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 3: a point. He tried to make the Olympics in the

1816
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:37,639
Speaker 3: twenty twenty cycle he failed to qualify for the team

1817
01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 3: and then just automatically turn his attention to MMA, or

1818
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:43,600
Speaker 3: maybe maybe he made the team, he didn't advance, but

1819
01:24:43,640 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 3: it was the twenty twenty Olympic cycle that he ultimately

1820
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 3: decided that he wasn't going to pursue it any further.

1821
01:24:49,520 --> 01:24:51,360
Speaker 3: The point I'm trying to make here is he had

1822
01:24:51,439 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 3: achievements at the junior level, on the cadet level, which

1823
01:24:54,200 --> 01:24:56,759
Speaker 3: is sort of like the collegiate level, where he had done.

1824
01:24:56,680 --> 01:24:58,200
Speaker 2: Really, really really well.

1825
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:01,920
Speaker 3: So he is somebody who is a force, a good athlete,

1826
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:06,120
Speaker 3: undefeated background and freestyle wrestling converted early enough to really

1827
01:25:06,200 --> 01:25:09,599
Speaker 3: be something special. To this point, BC, he is currently

1828
01:25:09,640 --> 01:25:12,280
Speaker 3: sitting at I think eight and oh heading into this

1829
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:14,679
Speaker 3: Carlos Veda fight, and I think I I met this dude.

1830
01:25:14,720 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 3: I think Carlos when I went to go interview Corey

1831
01:25:18,479 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 3: Sanhagen for MK at the fifty to fifty.

1832
01:25:22,040 --> 01:25:24,720
Speaker 2: He was there. Very very nice guy, very nice guy.

1833
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,439
Speaker 3: But he is up against it with a dynamite athlete

1834
01:25:27,520 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 3: in a top prospect dude. All of a sudden, Japan

1835
01:25:29,680 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 3: starting to turn out turn out some guys that worth

1836
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 3: paying attention to. It's been a while but I'm glad

1837
01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 3: to see it.

1838
01:25:34,240 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 2: Let's go more of that.

1839
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:38,240
Speaker 1: I am always glad to see that for sure. Look,

1840
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:40,280
Speaker 1: I also want to keep note of the curtain jerker

1841
01:25:40,360 --> 01:25:43,080
Speaker 1: of the evening at women's flyweight, when thirty five year

1842
01:25:43,120 --> 01:25:46,639
Speaker 1: old Andrea kgb Leeve puts her three fight losing skit

1843
01:25:46,720 --> 01:25:50,000
Speaker 1: on the line against a Miranda Maverick, who bounced back

1844
01:25:50,040 --> 01:25:52,559
Speaker 1: in a nice way from that more or less one

1845
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: sided loss to Jasmin Jazz Deavitius, which came back a

1846
01:25:55,240 --> 01:25:58,880
Speaker 1: month later in July and took it to Priscilla Katchawera

1847
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:03,280
Speaker 1: at three wins in her last four fights. Should one

1848
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:07,920
Speaker 1: twenty five be prepared to fear the Maverick anytime soon?

1849
01:26:08,320 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 1: Or what.

1850
01:26:10,280 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 2: I mean?

1851
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 3: Here's the thing, She's just twenty six years old. I

1852
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:16,400
Speaker 3: feel like like we put, certainly I was among them,

1853
01:26:16,520 --> 01:26:19,559
Speaker 3: put too many expectations on her given her relative youth.

1854
01:26:20,240 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 3: So I'd like to see how this one goes. This

1855
01:26:22,040 --> 01:26:24,479
Speaker 3: is a winnable one, but it's also like, I don't

1856
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 3: know if you said the odds on this one BC

1857
01:26:26,040 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 3: for Mirandom averrickan oh, I can tell you.

1858
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 1: Right now it's Lee plus one five two as your

1859
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: underdog Maverick minus one ninety six.

1860
01:26:33,640 --> 01:26:33,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1861
01:26:33,880 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 3: See, I'm trying to get the auto focus to look here,

1862
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:36,599
Speaker 3: so I apologize.

1863
01:26:36,600 --> 01:26:37,040
Speaker 2: It's not there.

1864
01:26:37,160 --> 01:26:42,840
Speaker 3: Go it's still losable, you know what I mean? Like

1865
01:26:42,920 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 3: this is not I think Maverick should probably win, but

1866
01:26:45,880 --> 01:26:49,479
Speaker 3: it's hardly a slam dunk, right. So Yeah, there's just

1867
01:26:49,680 --> 01:26:52,200
Speaker 3: I've very managed expectations, I think, in either direction at

1868
01:26:52,240 --> 01:26:52,559
Speaker 3: this point.

1869
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,800
Speaker 1: As we record this loop to kick off the week

1870
01:26:55,840 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 1: of two ninety six, do you expect any use me Anaheim,

1871
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:03,559
Speaker 1: California this Saturday? Do you expect any Fight week fireworks?

1872
01:27:03,600 --> 01:27:07,519
Speaker 1: We've had a particularly robust amount of that lately with

1873
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:10,759
Speaker 1: Sean Strickly, Colby Covington and a lot of the extra

1874
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 1: chaos that has formed podcast discussions with the powers that

1875
01:27:14,520 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 1: be on this card. Do you see anything coming up

1876
01:27:17,080 --> 01:27:17,439
Speaker 1: this week?

1877
01:27:18,200 --> 01:27:20,120
Speaker 3: I think it's I think all eyes are gonna be

1878
01:27:20,200 --> 01:27:22,599
Speaker 3: on Henry and Morob because they have done the most

1879
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:26,200
Speaker 3: amount of talking in big promotion. Costa maybe a little bit,

1880
01:27:26,240 --> 01:27:29,200
Speaker 3: but Whitaker doesn't play that game. Ian Gary's obviously gonna

1881
01:27:29,200 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 3: be somebody you're gonna have to pay attention to, but

1882
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:32,759
Speaker 3: it's not like Jeff Neil's like a big time trash talker.

1883
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:34,720
Speaker 3: So I don't think that's gonna play a role. And

1884
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:36,559
Speaker 3: then if do I do think that, you're gonna see

1885
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:42,560
Speaker 3: Ilia just say dismissive shit about Volkanovsky and you know,

1886
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 3: either he's gonna look amazing or he's gonna look really

1887
01:27:45,160 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 3: effing bad.

1888
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:48,400
Speaker 2: But this is the bet he has made be see

1889
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 2: no one made him do it. So here we go.

1890
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:52,160
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a big one. Here we go.

1891
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:56,160
Speaker 1: Cannot wait. Saturday night, Anaheim, California. I want you to

1892
01:27:56,400 --> 01:27:59,920
Speaker 1: enjoy yourself some elite mixed martial arts fighting. Thank you

1893
01:28:00,160 --> 01:28:02,080
Speaker 1: very much. Hey, guys, this has been morning combat. We

1894
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:04,639
Speaker 1: do do things still during this transitional period.

1895
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:05,160
Speaker 2: That's LT.

1896
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:06,400
Speaker 1: This is BC. Now.

1897
01:28:06,520 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 3: Now, when you say we do things during this transitional period,

1898
01:28:09,040 --> 01:28:11,160
Speaker 3: do you mean other than crying in the shower.

1899
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:16,160
Speaker 1: Or or what we're tour dashing. No no, no, no

1900
01:28:16,240 --> 01:28:17,519
Speaker 1: no no no no no no no no no no

1901
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 1: no no no no, uh no no, yeah, we do

1902
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,200
Speaker 1: other things as well, though. I hope to see you

1903
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:25,000
Speaker 1: guys soon. Luke, anything else you want to tell the

1904
01:28:25,080 --> 01:28:25,799
Speaker 1: fine pay.

1905
01:28:26,080 --> 01:28:28,559
Speaker 2: We're just checking in. Thanks to you guys for being patient.

1906
01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 2: We love you all.

1907
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,000
Speaker 3: We had a good time here today. Well, you know,

1908
01:28:31,040 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 3: we'll stop back with some more content. I'm sure soon enough.

1909
01:28:34,400 --> 01:28:36,800
Speaker 3: And uh, thank you, thank you, thanks to everyone who

1910
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:39,160
Speaker 3: has sent kind words. Thank you to everyone who has

1911
01:28:39,200 --> 01:28:41,200
Speaker 3: been patient. Thank you to everyone who was watching here.

1912
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,479
Speaker 3: We really appreciate and love you guys. We don't take

1913
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:43,920
Speaker 3: you for granted.

1914
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Speaker 2: We miss you too.

1915
01:28:45,040 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 3: We're excited to uh you know, get back going again,

1916
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 3: and until then, just want to say thanks and we

1917
01:28:50,600 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 3: love you, Luke.

1918
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:53,680
Speaker 1: Final question, My wife has said if I don't grow

1919
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:55,919
Speaker 1: this beard back, she will disown me. It's her preference,

1920
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:57,880
Speaker 1: you know, but that look, you know, I'm my own man.

1921
01:28:58,560 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 3: Is this you know?

1922
01:28:59,200 --> 01:29:02,120
Speaker 1: Is this a bad look? Going clean shaving at forty five?

1923
01:29:02,200 --> 01:29:04,640
Speaker 3: It's I actually don't like your beard very much. And

1924
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:06,240
Speaker 3: that's a very rare thing for me to say. I

1925
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 3: think you look better this way.

1926
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 1: Oh really, see, I feel very pale like this.

1927
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:13,240
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry. Do you think growing a beard makes

1928
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:16,160
Speaker 2: you look not pale? Ilerable? News for you?

1929
01:29:16,920 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 1: At least the trip to be there?

1930
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Speaker 2: All right?

1931
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:20,680
Speaker 1: Thank you folks. So we out of here though.

1932
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Speaker 2: That's it.

1933
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:23,680
Speaker 1: That's all we got for you too, Ida to enjoy it.

1934
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Speaker 2: Thank you,