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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grease, a Texas mom thirty three

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Speaker 2: Nabbed pretending to be her thirteen year old daughter at

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Speaker 2: middle school. Hold on, I'm just trying to imagine me

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Speaker 2: dressing up like my teen daughter and passing myself off

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Speaker 2: as a student at high school. Who does that? There's

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Speaker 2: gotten to be a very deep seated reason which I

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Speaker 2: don't quite understand yet. But guess what, this Texas mom

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Speaker 2: Casey Garcia, She's not the only one. There's a lot

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Speaker 2: of grown women pretending their teens and even tweens and

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Speaker 2: with it.

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Speaker 3: What do they get.

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Speaker 2: A crush on a little twelve year old boy? Do

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Speaker 2: they try out for cheerleading?

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Speaker 4: What?

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to figure out what the attraction is.

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Speaker 2: Is it like grown women that start affairs, well a

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Speaker 2: statutory rape, to start sex relationships with boys? You know,

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Speaker 2: you always hear about the teachers and the school psychologists

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Speaker 2: and then this and then that in full on sex

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Speaker 2: relationships with boys in school. Is it somehow related to

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Again, I'm just a trial lawyer. I'm

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Speaker 2: not a shrink.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna leave that to doctor Delatory. But I know this.

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Speaker 2: This Texas mother pretends to be her teen girl at school,

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Speaker 2: at middle school. And there's a whole slew of other

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Speaker 2: mothers across the country that have done and.

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Speaker 3: Are doing the same thing. That's freaky.

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Speaker 2: Number one and number two, the last thing I want

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Speaker 2: are my children fraternizing with a grown woman pretending she's eleven.

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Speaker 3: I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories

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Speaker 2: and series XM one eleven. Let's start with miss Garcia.

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Speaker 3: Listen.

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Speaker 5: Thirty year old Casey Garcia stands four feet eleven inches

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Speaker 5: tall and one hundred and five pounds. She records herself

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Speaker 5: as she changes her appearance to try and look like

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Speaker 5: her thirteen year old daughter. She tans her skin, darkens

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Speaker 5: her hair, puts on a yellow Marvel hoodie and glasses,

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Speaker 5: then uses her daughter's school id and attempts to get

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Speaker 5: into Anne M. Garcia Enrique's middle school.

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Speaker 3: And she gets in, just like all these other mothers.

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Speaker 3: She gets in now happily for me. She actually recorded

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Speaker 2: Have you ever had well, if you've got a teen girl,

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Speaker 2: a lot of times. If there's gonna be a dancer party,

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Speaker 3: It's like a little get ready party.

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Speaker 2: And I've looked in on my daughter's little parties and

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Speaker 2: they're like combing their hair and they're getting ready, and

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Speaker 2: they're all recording themselves. Why does the grown woman do this?

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Speaker 2: I don't get it. But again, they certainly didn't teach

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Speaker 2: me this in law school. But I want you to

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Speaker 2: hear some of what this woman actually recorded and posted.

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Speaker 2: Let's go with cuta Jackie.

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Speaker 6: Can you see me wearing it?

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Speaker 3: She's saying, you see what I'm wearing.

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Speaker 2: I've got these weird shoes on. So she's putting on

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Speaker 3: Let's listen. So I look like.

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Speaker 7: No, cool awesome.

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Speaker 3: Cool awesome.

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Speaker 2: I mean, maybe I'm losing my mind, but she's actually

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Speaker 2: talking like a teen Hey. First of you, Darryl Cole

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Speaker 2: with me an all star panel, but a long time

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Speaker 2: felony prosecutor out of inter City, Atlanta. Darryl Cohen, former

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Speaker 2: state's attorney in Florida, now a defense attorney, and you

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Speaker 3: Kevin on Facebook.

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Speaker 2: Darryl, did you ever and all the years you prosecuted.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to think back on all of my cases.

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Speaker 2: I had plenty of statutory rape cases. I don't think

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Speaker 6: No, Nancy, no way, but I probably would have fallen

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Speaker 6: over laughing, because unless she has a sidecard and great makeup,

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Speaker 2: What about the children, the other students. I mean, this

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Speaker 2: She wears a hoodie and glasses and make I mean

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Speaker 2: because she's wearing shoes that a tween would wear. Okay,

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Speaker 7: Hello, fining yourself.

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Speaker 2: She's actually speaking to the school principle. Can I hear

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Speaker 3: Jackie?

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Speaker 7: Please, Hello fining yourself?

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Speaker 2: Can you hear her making her voice higher with me.

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Speaker 2: Doctor John Delatory, renowned psychologist and mediator specializing in forensic psychology.

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Speaker 2: You can find him at doctor John Delatory also at

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Speaker 2: resolution fcs dot com Doctor Delatory. I've never seen anything

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Speaker 2: I've seen the criminally insane. I've seen people pretending to

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Speaker 2: be criminally insane. I've seen defendants who have actually pulled

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Speaker 2: I've seen defendants rub their own feces all over the walls. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I've seen it all. I haven't seen this a grown

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Speaker 3: Like a regular mom. I've never seen one completely transform

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Speaker 4: Well, let's be clear about something. This is clearly attention

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Speaker 2: Okay, could you a a slow down, Darryl and I

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Speaker 3: Okay, so I got so far. All I got was

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Speaker 4: She's getting a thrill. If we go back to the

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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm smiling and you can't see me, doctor Delatory,

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Speaker 2: because Jackie's just sent me another picture of this woman.

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Speaker 2: Hey did you send this really quickly? To Darryl co

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Speaker 2: and to everybody on the panel. You were saying, like,

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Speaker 2: that again, a product of wanting social media presence and

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Speaker 3: Twice. But can I hear cut Sea again.

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Speaker 2: Because I like the it's almost like a fierce beauler,

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Speaker 2: like checking the principal thing. She's going, uh oh, why

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Speaker 2: she's pretending to be afraid of the principal.

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Speaker 7: Listen, Hello, finding yourself.

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Speaker 2: And listen, She's pretending she's afraid of the school principal.

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Speaker 2: She's raising her voice several octaves. Now listen to her

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Speaker 7: I'm going to get so caught.

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Speaker 5: I'm actually really scared.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Kaitlin Becker is joining me. I've been saving you.

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Speaker 2: Kaitlin Becker, Senior Investigator, reporter, Dailymail dot Com.

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Speaker 3: Caitlin, I mean she's getting into the mindset. She's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm so afraid the principal was gonna catch.

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Speaker 2: Me and do what you're a thirty three year old

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Speaker 2: woman puts you in time out, puts you into tention,

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Speaker 2: make you have lunch duty.

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Speaker 3: But who is this woman.

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Speaker 8: You know on Nanty. She is a mom in Texas.

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Speaker 8: Her daughter Julie was thirteen years old, and that is

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Speaker 8: who she was pretending to be, specifically her own daughter,

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Speaker 8: not just any old student, and she wanted to see

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Speaker 8: if she could get through this entire school day without

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Speaker 8: every trick in the book, wearing her daughter's clothing, kind

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Caitlin, I see her recording herself eating what appears

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Speaker 2: to be a chicken finger.

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Speaker 3: Okay, why this woman and so many.

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Speaker 2: Other women across the country are dressed sing up and

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Speaker 2: pretending to be students as early as Twain, such as

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Speaker 2: she actually fakes documents.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen.

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Speaker 5: Casey Garcia, disguised as her own thirteen year old daughter,

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Speaker 5: nervously tells the camera she's sure to get busted. Before

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Speaker 3: She's not the only one.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if this name rings a bell to you,

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Speaker 2: but Marta Alvarado does the same thing.

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Speaker 5: Forty six year old Marta Eliza Serrano Alvarado enrolls her

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Speaker 5: seventeen year old daughter in Hanville High School, about thirty

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Speaker 5: the younger woman. Marta elizeze Serrano Alvarado is forty six,

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Speaker 5: but her seventeen year old daughter is actually twenty eight.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Back to you, Daryl Cohen, the falsification, for instance, driver's licenses,

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Speaker 2: birth certificates.

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Speaker 3: That's a crime.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely, we're talking forgery, and we're talking stupidity. All the

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Speaker 6: ease are part of this. It's absolutely a crime. But still, Nancy,

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Speaker 6: I've looked at those picks and she does not look

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Speaker 6: in my view as if she was thirteen or fourteen

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Speaker 3: Did I ask you that? No?

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Speaker 6: You did.

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Speaker 2: No, I did not ask you that. I'm not asking

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Speaker 2: did she do a good job? I'm asking why did

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Speaker 2: grown women across our country pretend to be teens and

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Speaker 2: go so far as to fake documents, dress up and

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Speaker 2: all sorts of get ups, and go to school, sometimes

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Speaker 2: for extended periods of times weeks, months, pretending to be

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Speaker 2: a child. Okay, let me give you another example. Riley Madison.

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Speaker 3: Take a listen.

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Speaker 5: Riley Madison told administrators at Cairo Durham High School that

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Speaker 6: Ever, you're absolutely one thousand percent correct. The fact that

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Speaker 2: I want to circle now to Elisa Mula, AMD physical

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Speaker 9: This mob, It absolutely does pose a huge problem. You know,

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Speaker 9: all across the country on a daily basis, maybe not daily,

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Speaker 2: Of course, my mind leaps to the next step. In

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Speaker 2: Why would an adult pretend to be a little girl

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Speaker 3: No good reason.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I heard doctor Delatore say, it's extreme attention seeking

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Speaker 2: And not only that, it brings to mind other security breaches,

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Speaker 2: They knew not to let him in, all the security guards,

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Speaker 3: And of course what happens.

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Speaker 2: He comes back with a backpack, and he shoots at

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Speaker 3: How did he get in? How did that happen? And

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Speaker 3: how are these moms?

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Speaker 2: I mean, they may be in it for some weird

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Speaker 3: How are they getting in.

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Speaker 10: Well, she obviously got in with the normal flow of students.

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Speaker 10: I mean she was charged with criminal trespass because it's

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Speaker 10: and she was there for hours and hours, So I mean,

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Speaker 10: she could would have went to the officer said look

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Speaker 10: I just walked into your school, you know, unattested. Nobody

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Speaker 10: stopped me, this, that and the other. And she claims

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Speaker 10: it's for school safety. There's too many shootings. Look, there

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Speaker 10: hasn't been a shooting in El Paso since twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 10: That was the Walmart shooting where twenty people were killed.

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Speaker 10: There hasn't been you know, that's the old There hasn't

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Speaker 10: So how is that her hear reasoning for doing it.

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Speaker 10: That was just an excuse she made up because it's

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Speaker 10: And guess what they did.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm trying to figure something out, not in

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Speaker 2: deleatory and hey, Alisa, mula with me. EMD Physical Security

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Speaker 2: Strategy is specializing in child and school safety and security. Alisa,

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna circle right back to you. But tider Delatory again,

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Speaker 2: I need a shrink, doctor Delatory.

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Speaker 3: Do you have any children?

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Speaker 2: Okay, then you've lived through high school with them. I'm

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Speaker 2: just guessing you. Have they gotten to that age yet?

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Speaker 4: Living through currently?

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Speaker 3: Okay with you? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Have you gone to any school activities like games or

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Speaker 2: pep rallies or events? Okay, let's just talk about a

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Speaker 2: football game. Have you seen those moms that are a

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Speaker 10: Of course?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, Look I'm into it.

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Speaker 2: I'm into it because my twins are there somewhere wandering around.

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Speaker 3: Thank you Lord for life three sixty.

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Speaker 2: Anyway, I'm into it because they're into it, and it's

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Speaker 2: not just the game it's just not the technique. It's

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Speaker 2: not just who wins. It's because their friends are there

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Speaker 2: and they're having hot dogs and they're walking around. You know,

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Speaker 2: they're having a good time, and I want to be

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Speaker 2: near them, But they're as moms. There's just a little

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Speaker 2: two into it. What is that, doctor dellatory. It's like

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Speaker 4: I think that's part of it. I think that there

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Speaker 4: a wanting to return to a time when things were

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Speaker 4: But I think you have to initially convince yourself that

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Speaker 3: Oh Reliving the Glory three Days.

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greace.

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Speaker 2: To you, Caitlin Becker, Senior investigative reporter with dailymail dot Com. We're,

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Speaker 2: of course, I've got a slew of other cases, Kaitlyn,

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Speaker 2: I'm going to go through. But Caitlin, the glory days.

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Speaker 2: You know, have you ever met those people that are

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Speaker 2: still talking about when they scored the touchdown, or they

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Speaker 2: talking about it. I mean, when my husband brings up

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Speaker 3: You married yet?

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Speaker 8: I am?

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 2: I hope your husband doesn't try to relive his glory

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Speaker 2: days from high school.

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Speaker 8: He does not say goodness.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know so.

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Speaker 2: I never the whole time I dated David, I never

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Speaker 2: he sometimetimes wanders off into reliving his high school I'm like.

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Speaker 3: Stop right there, these are your glory days right here.

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Speaker 3: This is it. This is your glory. Me and the

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Speaker 8: Nancy, you couldn't pay me to go back to high school.

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Speaker 8: You could not pay me to go back to high school.

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Speaker 7: And I liked exactly, I mean I was.

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Speaker 3: I liked high school too. I was fine.

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Speaker 2: But what is it with these grown I mean, I

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Speaker 2: usually hear men do it talk about, Oh, I dated

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Speaker 2: this one in high school. I played football in high school,

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Speaker 3: But I don't hear women do it that much.

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Speaker 2: So what can you tell me about Casey Garcia? Why

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Speaker 8: I don't feel like Casey Garcia was trying to relive

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Speaker 8: you couldn't pay me to go. It almost seems like

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Speaker 8: she originally said. Her purpose was was to expose black

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Speaker 8: And I think the fact that she's four foot eleven

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so you believe this is more about an adult stunt.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely getting attention.

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Speaker 2: As Della Torri earlier said, attention saking as an adult

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Speaker 5: Charity Johnson enrolls in the tenth grade at a New

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Speaker 5: Life Christian school in Longview, Texas. Her story is sad

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Speaker 5: but familiar in this part of Texas. She was abandoned

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Speaker 5: She dresses young for her age with Hello Kitty and

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Speaker 5: the con Johnson is actually thirty four years old. Osa

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Speaker 5: Marie Obiseki exposed her after her arrest, but said Johnson

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Speaker 3: Okay, I'm trying to just take that all in.

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Speaker 2: So everything about her as a child currently is a lie.

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Speaker 8: She quite literally wore her daughter Julie's clothes. She actually

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Speaker 8: kept her hood up a lot and kind of looked

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Speaker 8: a little sort of disheveled the way of the thirteen

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Speaker 8: year old might look when they brushed off to school.

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Speaker 8: And she pulled it off really well.

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Speaker 2: I want to circle back to Michaelan Goodrich in our

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Speaker 2: cut eleven, because this woman really plotted. Even becoming familiar

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Speaker 2: with the homeless student statutes listen.

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Speaker 5: Riley Madison told administrators at Cairo Durham High School that

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Speaker 5: she was a fifteen year old homeless girl, and that

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Speaker 5: she didn't have documentation they might need. Homeless children in

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Speaker 5: youth cannot be denied education. The school is required to

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Speaker 5: immediately enroll Riley Madison in classes. When she enrolled, Riley

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Speaker 5: Madison intends school the next day. The investigation determines Riley

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Speaker 5: Madison is actually Michael Ann Goodrich, a thirty two year

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Speaker 5: old with a high school diploma. Goodrich is arrested in

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Speaker 5: charged with offering a false instrument, for filing, falsifying business records,

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Speaker 5: and criminal trespassing.

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Speaker 2: So in the Riley Madison teen girl aka Michael Ann Goodrich,

461
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Speaker 2: thirty two year old woman Darryl Cohen, she familiarized herself

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Speaker 2: with the homeless statutes that state if a child is

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Speaker 2: homeless and presents to a school, they have to take

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Speaker 2: the child in with no documentation, background, know anything.

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Speaker 3: Rather than to potentially denying a.

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Speaker 2: Child in education, this woman went so far as to

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Speaker 2: research all of.

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Speaker 3: That to get into school.

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Speaker 6: It is beyond belief, Nancy, this is completely different. She

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Speaker 6: has obviously she has mental problems, but that's not the point.

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Speaker 6: The point is that she researched it, she knew what

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Speaker 6: she was doing. She is a danger to the kids.

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Speaker 6: Around her, and as such, she needs to be stopped,

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Speaker 6: and anyone else like this needs to be stopped. There's

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Speaker 6: no excuse for this. And frankly, when I was in

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Speaker 6: high school, I couldn't wait to get out. That's me right.

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Speaker 2: I thought you were a star athlete and you know

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Speaker 2: your nickname, your Monica cool Breeze. I thought that originated

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Speaker 2: in the ninth grade.

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Speaker 6: No, no, not quite.

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Speaker 2: Okay, guys, we're telling you about a very odd phenomenon.

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Speaker 2: And the more we investigated, the more we found out

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Speaker 2: about it, and the more we found out that it's

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Speaker 2: fairly prevalent. This is not one obscure example. Take listen

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Speaker 2: our cut.

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Speaker 3: Fourteen and meete thirty two year old Shelby HEWITTT.

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Speaker 5: Shelby Hewitt is a thirty two year old social worker

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Speaker 5: who has an active counselor's license until twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 5: But she's also Daniella, a high school student at the

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Speaker 5: Jeremiah E. Burke High School and at the same time

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Speaker 5: high school student attending Brighton High School. But she asks

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Speaker 5: students at English High School to call her Elie Alessandra Blake.

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Speaker 5: Administrators at the English High School in Boston spot several

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Speaker 5: inaccuracies in her paperwork and begin to investigate. According to

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Speaker 5: court documents, she uses forged documents to enroll in the district,

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Speaker 5: including fake Department of Children and Families documents. Shelby Hewitt

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Speaker 5: has been charged with identity fraud and forgery. She also

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Speaker 5: is charged with two counts of uttering false or forged records,

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Speaker 5: deeds or other writings, meaning she used forged documents to

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Speaker 5: enroll in the district. She faces up to ten years

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Speaker 5: in prison if convicted.

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Speaker 2: Back to doctor Della Torrey, have you noticed these women

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Speaker 2: make up fake names like Danielle Law or Riley.

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Speaker 3: They're picking names.

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Speaker 2: I guess they think names that are compatible with being

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Speaker 2: a teen girl again or even a twain.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because you can't use you can't use your name,

508
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Speaker 4: but you can't use your name because you need to

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Speaker 4: protect your own sort of self ego. Right, So you

510
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 4: know you're doing something wrong, but if you use someone

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Speaker 4: else's name, there's a barrier, Right, there's a gap in

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Speaker 4: between the guilt and shame that you would expect to

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Speaker 4: be feeling because you know that you're lying by using

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Speaker 4: someone else's name. It's no longer you, it's this character

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00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 4: that's persona, this mask that you get to wear and

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Speaker 4: to live out whatever these attention seeking behaviors you want

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Speaker 4: to live out are.

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Speaker 2: We have presented fairly mild, more innocuous examples of adults

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00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 2: pretending to be teens in twins to get access actually

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00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 2: attending high school and middle school as a child. However,

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00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 2: there are many, many other cases that have a more

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Speaker 2: nefarious bent.

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Speaker 3: Take a list at our Cup thirteen.

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Speaker 5: James Wilson is a seventeen year old boy who meets

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Speaker 5: a fifteen year old West Virginia girl online. They have

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Speaker 5: a real connection. They meet in person twice, once at

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Speaker 5: a Pennsylvania hotel with her mother and two other friends.

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Speaker 5: They meet a second time at the girl's home. James

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Speaker 5: gives his girlfriend's cell phones and pays the bills. The

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Speaker 5: girl uses the phones to take nude photos and send

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Speaker 5: to James. Police get involved when a friend of the

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Speaker 5: fifteen year old confronts James, telling him she doesn't believe

533
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Speaker 5: he is what he pretends to be, and James threatens

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Speaker 5: to kill her. She contacts the National Center for Missing

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Speaker 5: and Exploited Children and an investigation begins. Turns out James Wilson,

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Speaker 5: seventeen year old boy is really twenty four year old female,

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Speaker 5: Carissa hads Has is arrested and charged with traveling across

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Speaker 5: state lines for the purpose of coerce or enticing a minor.

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Speaker 2: Now this is an adult female pretending to be a

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Speaker 2: teen boy.

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Speaker 3: It takes a horrible and criminal turn.

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Speaker 2: So that is where my mind goes when I find

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Speaker 2: out that a thirty three year old woman is going

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Speaker 2: to high school pretending to be a child. Now here's

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Speaker 2: a more Let me just say innocent example if.

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Speaker 3: There is such a thing. Take a listen. Now we're

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Speaker 3: cut nine.

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Speaker 5: Twenty eight year old Audrey Franciscini dresses up like a

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Speaker 5: high school student, carries a skateboard and a painting to

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Speaker 5: blend in with students at American Senior High School in

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Speaker 5: Miami Dade County, Florida. Once on campus, Franciscini records herself

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Speaker 5: handing out flyers promoting her Instagram page. A student said

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Speaker 5: Franciscini was recording weird stuff and said she had a

554
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Speaker 5: devil's mask. She uses the Devil's mask on her social media.

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Speaker 5: Franciscini manages to escape school security, but that night, detectives

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Speaker 5: tracker at her North Miami Beach home. She posts a

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Speaker 5: video to her Instagram talking about the police outside her

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Speaker 5: home to arrest her. Francescini is facing a felony charge

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Speaker 5: of burglary of an occupied dwelling and two misdemeanor charges

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Speaker 5: of interference with an educational institution and resisting an officer

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Speaker 5: without violence.

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Speaker 2: Okay, as well as they can end that one ended well,

563
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 2: but take a listen hour cut Bank.

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Speaker 5: DeAndre Banks is a twenty five year old man, but

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Speaker 5: on Facebook, he pretends to be a teen girl. Posing

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Speaker 5: as the girl, Banks is able to get attention from

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Speaker 5: a seventeen year old boy. As the teen girl, Banks

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Speaker 5: lures the boy to a house in Saint Petersburg, Florida.

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Speaker 5: When the boy shows up, Banks threatens him with a weapon,

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Speaker 5: then assaults the teen a fifteen year old boys Bank's

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Speaker 5: next victim. This time, he lures the victim to a

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Speaker 5: vacant house, but the boy is too strong and fast

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Speaker 5: and he escapes unharmed and goes to police. DeAndrea Banks

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Speaker 5: faces two counts of kidnapping one count of sexual battery

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Speaker 5: with a deadly weapon.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, that type of behavior came

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Speaker 2: to the front during the Delphi double murder case. Where

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Speaker 2: teens Abbey and Liberty Libby were lured off of a

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Speaker 2: trustle bridge and murdered, according to police, by a local

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Speaker 2: pharmacy tech. But during that investigation, a suspect appeared, Keegan Clyde,

581
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Speaker 2: who had been impersonating a teen He had been impersonating

582
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Speaker 2: actually stealing photos from a police slash model officer Vincent Kolkowski.

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Speaker 2: Now what kik and Klin was doing was using offscer

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Speaker 2: Kowalski's image that Kowalski had put out there where he

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Speaker 2: looks like a really tough teen boy, kind of a

586
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Speaker 2: Justin Bieber lookalike, trying to lure young girls. So online

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Speaker 2: he looked like a teen and he was getting the

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Speaker 2: teen girls, not necessarily Abby and Libby to send nude photos,

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Speaker 2: to send topless photos. So that was his nefarious motive,

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Speaker 2: and he ended up being implicated suspected in a double murder. So,

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Speaker 2: doctor Delatri, it seems that men have much more nefarious

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Speaker 2: motivations for pretending to be a team.

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Speaker 4: It could certainly come across that way. I don't know

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Speaker 4: that there's a real distinction between why men do this

595
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Speaker 4: kind of behavior and why women don't do this kind

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Speaker 4: of behavior.

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Speaker 6: Because I do think.

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Speaker 4: Women do do this kind of thing, and they do

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Speaker 4: trick young boys and young girls into community these kinds

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Speaker 4: of acts. I think we see this more often in

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Speaker 4: men because we expect to see it more often than men.

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Speaker 4: We expect to see them doing things inappropriately and trying

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Speaker 4: to subvert the law. Well, I mean, we don't tend

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Speaker 4: to focus on that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't think my expectations of men behaving badly

606
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Speaker 2: affects other women I've never met and they're pretending to

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Speaker 2: be teens.

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Speaker 3: That's the one time I've disagreed with you.

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Speaker 2: I don't think our expectations have anything to do with

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Speaker 2: other people's criminal acts. Maybe we find out about it

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00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 2: more when it's men. But here's another woman that does

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Speaker 2: the same thing.

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Speaker 3: In our cut.

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Speaker 5: Fifteen, Hijuang Shin is sixteen years old. She enrolls at

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Speaker 5: New Brunswick High School and seems to be really excited

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Speaker 5: about the high school experience. A student at the school

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Speaker 5: says Sen asks some girls to hang out at Commercial

618
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Speaker 5: Avenue with her, but they never show. Shin starts acting

619
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Speaker 5: weird with the girls, and one of the girls says,

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Speaker 5: it's scary. It only takes a week before everyone starts

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Speaker 5: to find out this sen is not a sixteen year

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Speaker 5: old high school student. She's a twenty nine year old

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Speaker 5: divorced college graduate who's been sued by her landlord for

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Speaker 5: twenty thousand dollars in unpaid rent. Lawyers for Haijang Shin

625
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Speaker 5: say she's longed for the sense of safety she felled

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Speaker 5: as a teenager at the Massachusetts boarding school. The deception

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00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 5: leads to a grandeury indictment and third degree of fences

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Speaker 5: for false documents and hindering her own prosecution.

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Speaker 2: Doctor tell a Tory, that's exactly what you said, that

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Speaker 2: some adults yearn for that feeling of safety they had

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Speaker 2: in middle school.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it is probably because they're not getting the needs

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Speaker 4: that they have currently in their current lives. They're not

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Speaker 4: being satisfied. They're not being satisfied because maybe they're not

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Speaker 4: able to communicate what their needs are. Maybe they don't

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Speaker 4: actually know what their needs are. They're trying to they're

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00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 4: trying to supplement what's going on in their lives and

638
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 4: it's failing, and so then they were turned back to

639
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 4: a time that they're nostalgic for. Right, they're nostalgic for

640
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:51,879
Speaker 4: those feelings when things seem to be easier, rather than

641
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Speaker 4: dealing with the stuff that they need to deal with

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00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 4: now because it's too hard. And so living a life

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Speaker 4: like that, where you can get easy attention, you get

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Speaker 4: easy love, right, because that's what children do. They give

645
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 4: love easily, and they want attention easily, and so the

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Speaker 4: person finds ways of tricking other people into giving that freedom.

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Speaker 2: Darryl Cohen, I don't really care what their needs are.

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Speaker 2: There is something inherently wrong with trying to turn the

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Speaker 2: clock of time backwards and pretending you're eleven, twelve or

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Speaker 2: thirteen and actually pulling it off and attending school. There's

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Speaker 2: just something very wrong with that. I mean, there's the

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Speaker 2: obvious falsification of records, but I don't want youth eleven twelve, thirteen,

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Speaker 2: fourteen children fraternizing with a grown person male or female,

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Speaker 2: pretending to be a tween.

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Speaker 6: Oh. Absolutely, Nancy, that is about as wrong as it

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Speaker 6: can be. Because you don't know what the ramifications are.

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Speaker 6: We can extrapolate it, and they're not good. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean, as you spin it out, it just gets

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Speaker 3: worse and worse.

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Speaker 2: Daryl. Of course, we're speaking from a point of view

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Speaker 2: where all we know about our felonies. When we get

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Speaker 2: these situations, it's already gone too far. Somebody has been molested,

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Speaker 2: they've been raped, kidnapped, as in the other examples we gave,

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Speaker 2: and Alisa Mula joining us EMD physical security strategist. Another

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Speaker 2: thing that worries to me about this last case where

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Speaker 2: the woman was actually a twenty nine year old divorce

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Speaker 2: college grad.

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Speaker 3: Who wants to have hangouts with the other teen girls.

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Speaker 10: Ill.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean again, it's a great demonstration of just

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Speaker 9: a total disrespect for law and order and general breakdown

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Speaker 9: of morality, quite frankly, or disconnection with reality. And you

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Speaker 9: gave a lot of great examples, Nancy, of some seemingly innocent,

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Speaker 9: unauthorized activity all the way up to the Parkland shooting,

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Speaker 9: which was disastrous, And I watched that site. There's nothing worse,

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Speaker 9: in my opinion than the park One example. So you

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Speaker 9: can see there are many steps along the way from

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Speaker 9: something that seems seemingly innocent is something that turns tragic.

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Speaker 2: Hey, when you're saying, Alisimila that it's morally wrong, I

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Speaker 2: am not the church lady. I don't try to police

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Speaker 2: other people's morality.

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Speaker 3: But when it comes to a crime.

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Speaker 2: I'm on it like a cheap suit and an adult

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Speaker 2: pretending or impersonating a child at school asking for after

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Speaker 2: school hangouts to exchange pictures online. In my world, that's

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Speaker 2: about to go bad. Berry Golden, very bad, ye.

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Speaker 10: Bephe. In the case of Casey Garcia, I mean, she's

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Speaker 10: thirty two years old and she's trying to infiltrate a

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Speaker 10: middle school, saying hey, look how young. I look. What's

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Speaker 10: she going to do when a season or fifties she

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Speaker 10: can try to infiltrate a high school? I mean you,

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Speaker 10: and she's lucky she got off with just probation.

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Speaker 2: Now, according to Herbary Golden, her whole effort was to

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Speaker 2: test school security.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that.

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Speaker 2: The judge fell for that, and she did get probation,

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Speaker 2: community service, and a fine. The judge also ordered her

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Speaker 2: to undergo a mental health evaluation and better Truer words

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Speaker 2: were never spoken. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,