Speaker 1: Hey, hey, hey, Hey, we're back.
Speaker 2: We're black, We're brown.
Speaker 1: Ambition ambition, ambition, ambition, ambition. What's up, y'all. I'm Mandy
Speaker 1: in the studio alone, but not for long. I'm joined
Speaker 1: by a fantastic guest today, Jamila sous Frant, friend of
Speaker 1: the show. She's been on a couple of times, but
Speaker 1: never since launching her very first book, which comes out
Speaker 1: this week. We're going to get into that episode, but
Speaker 1: I thought I would just take a moment and check
Speaker 1: in see how y'all are doing. We got some really great,
Speaker 1: just so sweet, so heartfelt dms and email after the
Speaker 1: last show where we were sort of sharing about the
Speaker 1: holiday season and how it can start to feel, you know,
Speaker 1: like you're sort of getting worn down by it rather
Speaker 1: than enjoying it. I actually took my four year old
Speaker 1: and my baby, but you know, he slept through most
Speaker 1: of it. Took my four year old on a road
Speaker 1: trip to Kingston in New York, which is about, I
Speaker 1: don't know, ninety minutes or so away from where I live,
Speaker 1: and we went on the Polar Express train, which is
Speaker 1: very Yeah. So if you see the Polar Express ads
Speaker 1: online and they target you moms and dads, listen, it's cute.
Speaker 1: It is. But I had to like really sit with
Speaker 1: myself in my own brain and be like, be in
Speaker 1: the moment and look at this through your son's perspective,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, this hot chocolate and cookies are giving
Speaker 1: me are pretty whack. And these cookies is it's like
Speaker 1: the cookie monster recipe because this tastes like cardboard. But
Speaker 1: if I had to sort of like slow down, be
Speaker 1: like you're here. It was so much work. It's hard
Speaker 1: enough getting the kids in the car to go to
Speaker 1: the grocery store, let alone for a ninety minute road trip.
Speaker 1: So I had to just be like, hey, feel his magic,
Speaker 1: Like look at him, he's feeling magic. He was so
Speaker 1: excited he got to meet Santa. He talked to one
Speaker 1: of Santa's elves, you know. And the train conductor, who
Speaker 1: between you and me looked to be about fourteen years
Speaker 1: old and had braces and acne, so you know, he
Speaker 1: wasn't taking us anywhere. But the conductor came by and
Speaker 1: punched Rio's golden ticket, and it was just a lesson
Speaker 1: and you know, just being mindful and being in the moment,
Speaker 1: and I really, really, yeah, I won't forget that trip
Speaker 1: in a long time, and I'm glad that we did it.
Speaker 1: But even though it was the stress of making it
Speaker 1: happen and making those magic moments happen, just give yourselves
Speaker 1: time to sort of reflect and say okay through their eyes.
Speaker 1: That was the point. The point was to put that
Speaker 1: smile on their face and be happy. And how the
Speaker 1: point is for you to be kind to yourself and say,
Speaker 1: I did that thing, and that thing is enough and
Speaker 1: it's okay. So my heart just goes out to anyone
Speaker 1: out there who's making those magic moments happen. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: be sure to sit with it and to be kind
Speaker 1: to yourself and take that hot bath book that mustage
Speaker 1: whatever you need to do to feel better. A couple
Speaker 1: of reminders what I feel like. I'm like a teacher now,
Speaker 1: but I want to remind Y'll Tiffany's book because I
Speaker 1: am our unpaid publicist. Her book is out. The workbook
Speaker 1: to a company and get good with money. You can
Speaker 1: go to maidholeworkbook dot com to get your book. And
Speaker 1: just a little early holiday gift from me, your favorite
Speaker 1: career coach. I made all twenty five of my nail
Speaker 1: your negotiation scripts that used to have to paid for.
Speaker 1: I made them entirely free. Entirely free. Okay, there's no
Speaker 1: excuse to not ask for what you're worth. It's holiday
Speaker 1: review time, it's annual review season, all the things. It's
Speaker 1: ask for what your worth season, all the time. So
Speaker 1: go to mandymoney dot com to get your free now free, yes,
Speaker 1: all of them for free. Twenty five negotiations scripts on
Speaker 1: everything on how to ask for a raise, how to
Speaker 1: ask for stock, how to ask for a signing bonus,
Speaker 1: what to do if they say know, what to do
Speaker 1: if they say yes, how to counter all of the goodies.
Speaker 1: Go check it out. It's yours for freemandymoney dot com
Speaker 1: and I hope that you use them and they work
Speaker 1: out incredible for you. Please send us your DMS. Your
Speaker 1: messages mean so much. And while you're at it, don't
Speaker 1: forget to review the show and drop us a five
Speaker 1: star review if you're so inclined. If you like us,
Speaker 1: you know on iTunes Wait wait, they don't call it
Speaker 1: iTunes anymore. Apple podcasts. That would be amazing. And from
Speaker 1: BAFAM to y'all, happy holidays. Now without further ado, I
Speaker 1: am going to get out of my own way so
Speaker 1: that y'all can be poured into by the one and
Speaker 1: only Jamila Souffrant of Journey to Launch. Hey, hey, bafam,
Speaker 1: we're back. We're black, We're brown, brown ambition. Okay, I'll
Speaker 1: do my own part. Ambition, ambition, ambition, ambition. What's up, y'all.
Speaker 1: It's your girl, Mandy Money, and I am here so today,
Speaker 1: but not for long. I have a very very spectacular guest,
Speaker 1: someone who I don't know. I feel like a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, I was like, I want to get
Speaker 1: to know her better, and now I can say that
Speaker 1: she is a friend, a peer, and I'm so so
Speaker 1: excited to tell you guys all about her.
Speaker 2: Brand new book.
Speaker 1: Why did I do the Oprah voice for that? I
Speaker 1: don't know, it just happened. But before I get into that,
Speaker 1: because I've known Jamila for a couple of years now,
Speaker 1: but y'all may be hearing from her for the first time,
Speaker 1: let me give you a little bit of her statue,
Speaker 1: a little bit of her background. Her name is Jamila
Speaker 1: Sousfront and she is the author of Your Journey to
Speaker 1: Financial Freedom, a step by step guide to achieving wealth
Speaker 1: and happiness, emphasis on the Happiness. It is debuting What's
Speaker 1: Today Tomorrow Tuesday, So if you're listening to this on Wednesday,
Speaker 1: go and get the book. It's in stores right now.
Speaker 1: She's also the host of the Journey to Launch podcast.
Speaker 1: She's a go to thought leader in the personal finance
Speaker 1: field and her work has been featured everwhere like BuzzFeed,
Speaker 1: Essence for Finer twenty nine, Business Insider, CNBCCBS, and This Morning,
Speaker 1: Good Morning America. We can add to that list. Her podcast,
Speaker 1: Journey to Launch has over four million total downloads and
Speaker 1: was named by The New York Times No Big Deal
Speaker 1: as a podcast to help you get better with your money.
Speaker 1: So today I'm having Jamila on the show to talk
Speaker 1: about her book, of course, and because we get into
Speaker 1: the nitty gritty on here, we'll talk about the book
Speaker 1: journey and the business journey that she has been on
Speaker 1: and how her and her husband saved nearly one hundred
Speaker 1: and seventy grand in just two years while also having
Speaker 1: three children in Brooklyn, New York. Like the math is
Speaker 1: not mathing here, I have questions. Okay, So Jamila, without
Speaker 1: further ado, welcome to the BA STU. It's good to
Speaker 1: have you back.
Speaker 2: Oh, Mandy, It's great to be say having me.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited for you, as you can tell, because
Speaker 1: I forgot you were going to be on the show,
Speaker 1: so I texted you today as if I wasn't about
Speaker 1: to talk to you in a couple of hours. H
Speaker 1: How does it feel your book baby is born?
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah, you know, it's still surreal. I
Speaker 2: feel like it's not. But I am one of those
Speaker 2: people where it has to be happening for me to
Speaker 2: feel like it's happening. And now it's like it is happening,
Speaker 2: So Jamila is happening. So it feels great. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm it's kind of nerve wracking because now the whole
Speaker 2: world gets to open up a very importantant thing that
Speaker 2: I've done and read it and have opinions about it
Speaker 2: and hopefully it will be helpful to them. But this
Speaker 2: is the first time, like the general public gets to
Speaker 2: see this versus like not me or my editor or
Speaker 2: book coach, who I feel like they're nice and they're
Speaker 2: helping me. But this is gonna introduce me, hopefully to
Speaker 2: a whole new audience and you know, interested to hear
Speaker 2: the feedback of what people will start saying when they
Speaker 2: read the book.
Speaker 1: Tell me why a book in a time when I
Speaker 1: feel like, I mean, I know why I'm writing a
Speaker 1: book right now, but I want to know from you.
Speaker 1: What was it that you felt like, Okay, it's time,
Speaker 1: this is the book I need to write.
Speaker 2: You know, I like to look at things strategically and serendipitously,
Speaker 2: meaning you know, yes, some things you do because it
Speaker 2: makes sense, it's logical, and then some things you just
Speaker 2: cannot deny when they need to happen. And I've been
Speaker 2: approached to write a book years ago at the start
Speaker 2: of my journey, but you know, those were not in
Speaker 2: the way in which I'd want a deal. So I
Speaker 2: didn't have an established platform at the time, so I
Speaker 2: knew I wouldn't get the best book deal. One a
Speaker 2: publishing company approached me. They just wanted a name behind,
Speaker 2: they already had the concept, they just wanted me to
Speaker 2: be the author of it and all those things. I
Speaker 2: was like, no, I'm not ready, it's not time. But
Speaker 2: I knew as I was establishing myself and growing that
Speaker 2: I wanted to do the traditional publishing route and I
Speaker 2: wanted to do another meeting. You know, I have the podcast,
Speaker 2: but not everyone listens to podcasts, and even people who
Speaker 2: do listen to podcasts don't know my podcast exists. And
Speaker 2: even so there's still so many questions I want do right, Well,
Speaker 2: that's the thing. So but I still even have podcast
Speaker 2: listeners who are like, I love this content, but you know,
Speaker 2: I have to go to this episode in this episode,
Speaker 2: And I thought to myself, you know, having another vertical
Speaker 2: and media platform, adding this extension to my brand, to
Speaker 2: help solidify all the information that I've spoke about and
Speaker 2: over the hundreds and hundreds of episodes, to put it
Speaker 2: in a book and a guidebook that someone can flip
Speaker 2: through and I can say here, here are like all
Speaker 2: the answers to all your questions that you have about
Speaker 2: financial independence, just felt like the next thing to do.
Speaker 2: It's like I could no longer deny that it was
Speaker 2: the right time, and that because I was going to
Speaker 2: the traditional route and it would take a couple of
Speaker 2: years for it to be done, that when I signed
Speaker 2: my deal, I was still solidifying, growing and getting my
Speaker 2: concepts together, and so I do by the time it
Speaker 2: came out that I'd be in a place to fully
Speaker 2: enjoy and bring this book to light in the way
Speaker 2: that it needed to be brought.
Speaker 1: I feel exactly the same about like what you were
Speaker 1: saying about it is a two year process. So you
Speaker 1: sort of know, Okay, I can get the book deal,
Speaker 1: and then I can keep growing, I can keep doing
Speaker 1: all that. But then it's like, oh crap, Now I
Speaker 1: got to write a book while I'm doing all of that.
Speaker 1: So how did you How did you manage a time?
Speaker 1: Plus you got three kids and they're not little. They
Speaker 1: got lives, they got activities. You know, they want their mama,
Speaker 1: So tell me a little bit about the process and
Speaker 1: how you made it happen.
Speaker 2: So it was hard. It's like being a parent. You know,
Speaker 2: people tell you how hard it is to be a parent.
Speaker 2: And I did a lot of research in terms of
Speaker 2: writing the book and what it looked like. I listened
Speaker 2: to people podcasts that just talked about writing. And as
Speaker 2: much as someone tells you, just like being a parent,
Speaker 2: the things you can expect, you don't know until you
Speaker 2: are in the thick of it. And so I felt
Speaker 2: that I did need support. So one of the things
Speaker 2: that I did is that I'm not afraid to invest
Speaker 2: in myself or to invest to see the results I want.
Speaker 2: And I knew getting a book coach was going to
Speaker 2: be important, and I was going to pay for that
Speaker 2: out of my own pocket, someone who could help motivate me,
Speaker 2: help in additional edits that I would need to help
Speaker 2: guide me through the process. So that was a big help.
Speaker 2: I don't know if I would have survived without having
Speaker 2: my book coach that I hired. And then on top
Speaker 2: of that, the timeframe for my book, actually I felt
Speaker 2: was shortened because I thought it was going to come
Speaker 2: out in twenty twenty four. So when I first signed
Speaker 2: my deal, it took quite a time for me to
Speaker 2: actually sign it, but I was writing. I started writing anyway,
Speaker 2: and I thought it was going to come out in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, which gave me more time. And then
Speaker 2: when we finally did sign the contract, they were like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we're thinking about December twenty twenty three. I'm like, what
Speaker 2: I thought. I had a couple more months, And so
Speaker 2: that put a bit of pressure on me to get
Speaker 2: things done, especially now with the kids. Like you said
Speaker 2: at my kids are nine, seven and five, very energetic,
Speaker 2: very rambunctious, and a lot of my writing had to
Speaker 2: take place in the summertime, which for me, I always
Speaker 2: like to say, I actually don't like working in the
Speaker 2: summer around my birthday or holidays. So basically there's like
Speaker 2: two months out of the year that I like to
Speaker 2: work if that. And so the summer was so hard
Speaker 2: because I would want to go to the beach. I
Speaker 2: didn't want to sit and sit still to write. But
Speaker 2: I knew that I had these deadlines, and I do
Speaker 2: work pretty well with deadlines. You know, if you tell
Speaker 2: me something is due in an hour, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 2: gonna find a way to get it done. And so
Speaker 2: that really helped, and having the book coach and really
Speaker 2: always coming back to the purpose of writing the book.
Speaker 2: So yes, I do want more people to discover the
Speaker 2: podcast and learn. But I thought to myself, my goal
Speaker 2: right now is to write something that will last, you know,
Speaker 2: beyond me and have an impact bigger than bigger than
Speaker 2: I could imagine. And am I staying true to that
Speaker 2: in the writing process even if I'm scared And I
Speaker 2: felt like I did, and so I would let that
Speaker 2: guide me when I felt nervous about writing or sitting down,
Speaker 2: I felt that unease that comes along with writing a book.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the unies, the in between, I can be in
Speaker 1: between I can. So it took me a couple of
Speaker 1: stabs to get my first chapter done. So far, I
Speaker 1: haven't hired a book coach because I'm not opposed to
Speaker 1: it and I think I might be like a first reader.
Speaker 1: When you say book coach, do you mean so you
Speaker 1: had a proposal coach. You're the one who taught me
Speaker 1: that there were things like a proposal coach, you know. So,
Speaker 1: but you had a coach also helping you through the
Speaker 1: writing process, which I know a lot of people do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So there's so many ways you can work with
Speaker 2: people to help you. And so, yes, I had someone
Speaker 2: help me with my proposal, which was amazing. And then
Speaker 2: when it came to doing the book now now that
Speaker 2: I actually know more, knowing what I know now, I
Speaker 2: would have actually hired her in a different way. So
Speaker 2: she was a book coach slash developmental editor. So she
Speaker 2: helped me when we came back with how do we
Speaker 2: set the book up? How do we get all these
Speaker 2: thoughts and ideas and frameworks and tackle is every audacious
Speaker 2: goal of trying to lay out people's path to financial
Speaker 2: independence and put it in a book that makes sense.
Speaker 2: So she helped me figure out like, all right, you
Speaker 2: know what if we broke the book down in these
Speaker 2: sections or this part or what chapters should we use?
Speaker 2: And then she did some line editing and helped out
Speaker 2: a lot in that sense. But I knew that I
Speaker 2: wanted to write it myself, so I didn't want to
Speaker 2: have a ghostwriter or someone to write it for me.
Speaker 2: But I knew i'd need additional help for grammatical and
Speaker 2: line editing. But I actually would have hired her to
Speaker 2: do more line editing and grammatical things, because while my
Speaker 2: publisher did that, I felt like she was so good
Speaker 2: at capturing like every single thing. And now that I
Speaker 2: know what I need going forward, if I write another book,
Speaker 2: I can confidently hire her in this way to say, Okay,
Speaker 2: this is what I actually need, this is how we're
Speaker 2: going to work together.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna need her details. Yes, how'd you find her?
Speaker 2: She's amazing. I found her through my agents, who we
Speaker 2: have the same agents.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh okay, well I did ask them, so maybe
Speaker 1: they'll give me the same maybe, And I don't remember
Speaker 1: the name that they gave me, because sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: as a mom, I'll just be fire and text off
Speaker 1: and I'm like I'll get they're gonna send me an answer.
Speaker 1: I'll look at it when I need it next time.
Speaker 2: And I did want a woman. I wanted, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: preferably one of one woman of color, preferably a black woman.
Speaker 2: And I thought that, you know, when they had her
Speaker 2: as a contact, I was like, yeah, let's go. And
Speaker 2: then she was just I mean, she went above and
Speaker 2: beyond because again I hired her in a certain capacity,
Speaker 2: but I needed her for more and she she just
Speaker 2: went above and beyond and she still does. Like she
Speaker 2: helped me figure out some of this details for the
Speaker 2: book cover because she worked in the publishing science today.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like and just for a minute, yeshit with that juice,
Speaker 1: I keep juicy, juicy, juicy Tomila cover. Yes, like I said,
Speaker 1: I just want to take a bite. So weird. It's gorgeous.
Speaker 1: The orange and this is why I am wearing the
Speaker 1: one orange shirt that was in my closet. I would
Speaker 1: I was going to go for the yellow hoodie, but
Speaker 1: Husby saundoks like a taxi cab and I just can't
Speaker 1: hear it, so I can't put it on. But here
Speaker 1: you go.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, also with her, and thank you for that.
Speaker 2: I just think in general, when I think this can
Speaker 2: go just beyond the book writing process, because I did
Speaker 2: this with the podcast. Also is that when I got
Speaker 2: interested in something. I talk about this in the book,
Speaker 2: when you get interested in something and you see someone
Speaker 2: doing something. So I saw someone in one of our
Speaker 2: payers get a book deal and she shared that, you know,
Speaker 2: she had this person helped her with the proposal. She
Speaker 2: shared who her agents were, like she shared, and I asked,
Speaker 2: I asked her directly, like hot, what did you do?
Speaker 2: And I'm one of those people I click on hyperlinks.
Speaker 2: I talk about it in the book that something is
Speaker 2: of interest to you, click on the hyperlink like you
Speaker 2: want on the page that you're reading online, and it
Speaker 2: takes you deeper and deeper. And sometimes hyperlinks take you
Speaker 2: to pots of gold and changes your life, and sometimes
Speaker 2: they're nothing. And for me, it was about I want
Speaker 2: to write a great book. I want to put myself
Speaker 2: in a position to get the best deal. What are
Speaker 2: the things I need to do to do that? And
Speaker 2: who can I talk to who have done those things,
Speaker 2: and what were the resources they use? And can I
Speaker 2: do that? And that's kind of like how I went
Speaker 2: about like who I hired or what I invested in
Speaker 2: to help me get to this point.
Speaker 1: That's so so smart, and that's why I love podcasting
Speaker 1: in general, and my background's a journalist is because it's
Speaker 1: all about that double click. And I just like, I
Speaker 1: don't like it when I don't feel like I get
Speaker 1: something from one page. I got to go to the
Speaker 1: next page. And like, everyone who knows me really deeply
Speaker 1: and personally is like, stop asking me questions, Like I'm like,
Speaker 1: I just want to I need to understand every single
Speaker 1: angal Okay, But that's so wise and smart because it
Speaker 1: you assume, like correctly that no one's doing it alone.
Speaker 1: And that is the great gift I feel like, of
Speaker 1: seeing how the sausage is made when it comes to
Speaker 1: I mean, you can put anything in that category, not
Speaker 1: just publishing a book, but launching a business, even you know,
Speaker 1: going on your journey toward financial independence. It's a lot
Speaker 1: to do it alone. It's too much. And then if
Speaker 1: you want to like have a social life, eat well,
Speaker 1: work out, do your thirty minute runs like you do.
Speaker 1: Be a woman, be a wife, be a sister, friend, Like,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, so to get that help is such
Speaker 1: a great, such a great, uh, you know, just a
Speaker 1: great thought to have, and it's and it's liberating in
Speaker 1: and of itself. But then to execute it and find
Speaker 1: the exact help that you need from the right places. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that you said that. Okay, so break down
Speaker 1: the book for me, because I don't have a copy yet.
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. Do you not have my address.
Speaker 2: Or I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Apparently Barnes and Noble and Random Places has it, but
Speaker 1: my Amazon has not come yet.
Speaker 2: I no doubt. Well, you know you're coming to the
Speaker 2: party in preview, Remember you're coming to the party, so
Speaker 2: you get a signed book then also excited for the party. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So thinking through what I wanted and how I want,
Speaker 2: this is a very ambitious book to write, because I
Speaker 2: wanted to really map out and share how someone who
Speaker 2: either if you knew about the concept of financial independence,
Speaker 2: which is this ability to live off of just your
Speaker 2: investments and not how to actively work for someone just
Speaker 2: new hearing about it for the first time, or who
Speaker 2: has an idea of what it is, how would I
Speaker 2: explain to them how this works and how they can
Speaker 2: apply it to their life and start their journey. And
Speaker 2: so I ended up breaking out the book in four parts.
Speaker 2: So the part one is about the why and how
Speaker 2: financial independence, and it breaks out like what it is,
Speaker 2: why you need to pursue it, and then breaks out
Speaker 2: the journey or stages that you need to go through
Speaker 2: to reach financial independence, and so it's really like sets
Speaker 2: the stage for your journey. Part two, now, I think, is,
Speaker 2: you know, one of my favorite parts because these are
Speaker 2: literally the things I did when I started my journey
Speaker 2: to get me to where I am today. So Part
Speaker 2: two is about how do you map out your journey,
Speaker 2: your enjoyable journey. What does it look like, what is
Speaker 2: your starting point, what is your end point? How do
Speaker 2: you go from being in debt and think about how
Speaker 2: long you want it to take you to have investments
Speaker 2: or to get to the different stages that I talk
Speaker 2: about in the book. And so it lets you app
Speaker 2: out and sit down and figure out how to apply
Speaker 2: these concepts to your life. And so again Part one
Speaker 2: and two are all conceptual. You know, there's not a
Speaker 2: lot of doing, you know, there's a lot of learning
Speaker 2: being setting the stage for your journey. And then part
Speaker 2: three is about executing like the plan that you just
Speaker 2: set in Part two, So you know you want to
Speaker 2: reach financial.
Speaker 1: And don't skip to part three because that would be
Speaker 1: so me right, skip to the how too. I have
Speaker 1: a feeling you're going to be much better prepared for
Speaker 1: the part three that if you start right into it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and plus you know I talk about.
Speaker 1: A book, not a blog post. Okay, read the book right.
Speaker 2: It's so here's okay, Okay, I'm going to go through
Speaker 2: and how people. It's going to be best for people
Speaker 2: to use the book to help them. So Part three
Speaker 2: is about executing the things you want to do in
Speaker 2: part two, so you said you want to reach financial
Speaker 2: independence or get out of debt in five years, ten years,
Speaker 2: fifteen years. What are the things that you actually need
Speaker 2: to do that will help you do that or what
Speaker 2: are the actual things like increasing your income, optimizing expense is,
Speaker 2: working on your mindset and habits, paying down liabilities, increasing assets,
Speaker 2: all these things and legitimate, just actionable items that you
Speaker 2: can do. And then part four is about enjoying the journey,
Speaker 2: because this is a long journey to financial independence, and
Speaker 2: how do you make it so that you are achieving
Speaker 2: freedom on your way and happiness that you're not waiting
Speaker 2: for this far off goal. And so what will happened
Speaker 2: is like it happened for me. Is when I first
Speaker 2: started my financial independence journey, I had mapped it out,
Speaker 2: so I did my part one and two. Part one
Speaker 2: for me was learning about it through podcasts or reading
Speaker 2: blogs on my commute to work. And then I discovered, Okay,
Speaker 2: how am I going to apply that to my life,
Speaker 2: Like I want to reach financial independence by forty years
Speaker 2: old is what I said seven years ago? And what
Speaker 2: do I need to do to make that happen? How
Speaker 2: long it will take, how much do I need to
Speaker 2: invest or pay down debt to do this thing. Then
Speaker 2: I started my journey and I realized some of the
Speaker 2: things that I did, like you've mentioned in my intro,
Speaker 2: saving and investing one hundred and sixty nine thousand dollars
Speaker 2: in two years was amazing, but not sustainable for my journey.
Speaker 2: And so some of the things I initially thought I
Speaker 2: would do, like work full time to help me reach
Speaker 2: my goal and still commute, grow, growing my family, and
Speaker 2: have my business on the side. I thought I would
Speaker 2: do that for the next seven years, and as I
Speaker 2: started to do it, I was like, oh, no, this
Speaker 2: is not sustainable, So I need to actually make a
Speaker 2: decision here to quit my job, but doing that would
Speaker 2: change my journey, and so I had to go back
Speaker 2: to like the part two and map out what does
Speaker 2: this new journey look like? How do I create or
Speaker 2: adjust a plan that works for the current stage of
Speaker 2: life I'm in. So the way I want people to
Speaker 2: interact with the book is, yes, read it through one
Speaker 2: time and actually do the things within the book. But
Speaker 2: as you start your journey, you may need to come
Speaker 2: back right to part two as you start executing, to say,
Speaker 2: you know what, that feels great, But I don't want
Speaker 2: to be as aggressive. You know, I don't need to
Speaker 2: reach it financial independence in five years and be so
Speaker 2: aggressive because I actually am working on finding more enjoyable
Speaker 2: work or paying down debt. And so if it takes
Speaker 2: me a little longer, because you know, I'm into the
Speaker 2: stage of my life of growing a family or taking
Speaker 2: a risk, that's fine. Let's go back to part two
Speaker 2: of the book and map out this new plan. And
Speaker 2: that's what I did, And so I really try to
Speaker 2: make it where you can come back and recalibrate and
Speaker 2: use it as a reference point even after you've read
Speaker 2: it through, to help you and to continue to help
Speaker 2: you on your journey.
Speaker 1: Okay, be a fan. We're going to be right back
Speaker 1: with more of our conversation with Jamila Souffront and we're back. Well,
Speaker 1: first of all, I love that you're acknowledging that it's
Speaker 1: not like you're it's not like you're saying retire by forty,
Speaker 1: you know, and here's what you got to do. Because
Speaker 1: almost it's almost like it's turning the idea of retirement
Speaker 1: on its head and saying, instead of working really hard
Speaker 1: to enjoy the few years you have left after you
Speaker 1: stop working, start building a life financially but also personally
Speaker 1: where you can enjoy what you have going on now
Speaker 1: while you're also building to sustain it, you know, for
Speaker 1: the future. So like in our audience, like they've heard
Speaker 1: about five financial independence, they've heard about five or financial independence,
Speaker 1: retire early. Is this your take on it essentially, And
Speaker 1: how what's the reception been from the fire fanatics if
Speaker 1: there has been any at all, And how do you
Speaker 1: think your approach is different?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's so interesting about fire, the fire
Speaker 2: community and movement. I feel like when I first started,
Speaker 2: it wasn't as on the surface diverse in terms of
Speaker 2: voices and people. But now I think it's totally different.
Speaker 2: I think there are a lot of great voices, blogs
Speaker 2: or podcasts or people from different backgrounds who are talking
Speaker 2: about reaching it in a way that feels good to
Speaker 2: them and so whether that is they're not living super frugally,
Speaker 2: they want to spend a lot of money and so,
Speaker 2: but they are investing and earning money accordingly to that goal.
Speaker 2: Like so, I think the community itself has broadened and
Speaker 2: is awesome. I feel like it is my take on
Speaker 2: financial independence because you know, going through it myself and
Speaker 2: the journey and making really great strides with my finances
Speaker 2: doing it. What I thought was a traditional fireway, which
Speaker 2: was being aggressive with investing and saving, which you do
Speaker 2: need to be more aggressive than the average person dealing
Speaker 2: with their money if you want to reach this audacious goal.
Speaker 2: But I definitely focus more on enjoying the journey and
Speaker 2: adjusting as you go. And then coming from my perspective
Speaker 2: as a black woman, as an immigrant, as a mom
Speaker 2: and wife living in New York City, I just I
Speaker 2: feel like that perspective I didn't see when I first
Speaker 2: came in and that I'm now highlighting and showing, like
Speaker 2: the diversity of this journey and what it can look
Speaker 2: like depending on your starting point. And I think ultimately
Speaker 2: what I've been able to do. You know, I always
Speaker 2: like to say when I wrote my proposal, when I
Speaker 2: got my proposal, we worked on it together with the
Speaker 2: person I hired, and we sent it out and I
Speaker 2: got the agents and they sent it out that I
Speaker 2: had eleven I think I had a meetings with eleven
Speaker 2: or twelve publishers. Eleven of them wanted the book, so
Speaker 2: it went to auction meeting like.
Speaker 1: They name.
Speaker 2: Zame. But I had these meetings with the publishers and
Speaker 2: you know, they've seen a lot of not public yet
Speaker 2: when they were interested in buying the book. So we
Speaker 2: have these kind of meetings to see if we like
Speaker 2: each other, like to learn more about me, I learn
Speaker 2: more about them, and you know, they see a lot
Speaker 2: of proposals, they see a lot of books, and you know, Mandy,
Speaker 2: we are in the money space. There's but some ways
Speaker 2: you can talk about how to budget and investing. It's
Speaker 2: literally it's just you can google like all these things
Speaker 2: and find it. I think what people appreciated, the publishers appreciated,
Speaker 2: and I think what I brought still to the book
Speaker 2: and stay true to is this fresh approach on making
Speaker 2: it attainable, achievable, enjoyable, and just reframing like certain concepts
Speaker 2: that maybe people have not thought about before, Like, Okay,
Speaker 2: we talk about financial independence and yeah, so many people
Speaker 2: don't think it's possible because depending on where they're starting from,
Speaker 2: I can see why. And so let's break out what
Speaker 2: the journey looks like into five stages that anyone can
Speaker 2: identify where they are. Or there's a cool concept that
Speaker 2: I created called the Quak levels walk lifestyle levels. So
Speaker 2: depending on what you like and how fancy you want
Speaker 2: to be is going to determine the type of money
Speaker 2: you're going to need to invest or safe to get
Speaker 2: to financial independence. And none of those choices are wrong.
Speaker 2: Your journey or stage is never going to be wrong.
Speaker 2: What you choose to live for your lifestyle is not wrong.
Speaker 2: It's your choice. But breaking it out into these ways
Speaker 2: that people you know, I will hope find refreshing is
Speaker 2: my take on what it takes to bring more people
Speaker 2: within to the space and to believe that they can
Speaker 2: achieve financial independence.
Speaker 1: Wow, eleven publishers. Sorry, I'm still stuck on that. That's
Speaker 1: not a thing that happens. It happened in one book,
Speaker 1: you know, a couple few, but not eleven. No, that's fantastic.
Speaker 1: And I mean the bidding war. You know, I'm a
Speaker 1: negotiation goal, so the bidding the negotiations must have been
Speaker 1: real fun for Steven Chan our agents. I feel like
Speaker 1: when I look at the books, I was just thinking
Speaker 1: about this because I I the books that have come
Speaker 1: out are coming out now. It's like getting to see
Speaker 1: the fruits of trees that were planted, you know, two, three,
Speaker 1: four years ago, starting of course with Tiffany's, but then
Speaker 1: the wave that's comes since. You know, I think about
Speaker 1: the cover for your book, and I think about the
Speaker 1: cover for Vivian two, your rich bff, she's going to
Speaker 1: be on the show later this month or in January sometime.
Speaker 1: And I think about the cover for Janice Torres Jokido Dinano.
Speaker 1: Her book is like pop in bright pink, and you know,
Speaker 1: Tippany's got that green. Then there was financial feminists with
Speaker 1: like the sort of like punk rock sort of look,
Speaker 1: and I'm just I'm like the shelves at the bookstores
Speaker 1: could never you know, like the shelves of five years
Speaker 1: ago could never there's going to be a whole section
Speaker 1: and it's going to be like I will tell my
Speaker 1: children these were the Barbies, this is the Barbie dolls
Speaker 1: that you can collect. Because it's just not to trivialize it,
Speaker 1: but it's just it's stunning how we kind of go
Speaker 1: from a time when there's so few and now you're
Speaker 1: looking at the shelves and it's still not enough, mind you,
Speaker 1: but it's like, Okay, something has changed. There's a shift
Speaker 1: in that, there's an acceptance there, and I'm so excited
Speaker 1: that you're one of those voices. It's so so needed. Okay,
Speaker 1: I want to ask you kind of a personal question
Speaker 1: after you receive.
Speaker 2: That yes, I'm receiving it.
Speaker 1: I know it's hard to receive. It's really hard, easy
Speaker 1: to give, hard to receive. As I was writing the
Speaker 1: first chapter of my book, you know, I took two
Speaker 1: stabs that excuse me, and I was really surprised what
Speaker 1: an emotional like personal journey I went on. I do
Speaker 1: talk a lot about my personal life, you know, as
Speaker 1: a coach and through the podcast, which is true, but
Speaker 1: when it comes to really unpacking my journey from like
Speaker 1: the mindset phase, you know that the impact of my
Speaker 1: childhood and young adolescence really had on my approach. It
Speaker 1: kind of like it just knocked me down. I was
Speaker 1: I wasn't expecting the emotional side of it, and even
Speaker 1: to share some anecdotes that I ended up putting in
Speaker 1: the first chapter. So I wanted to ask you because
Speaker 1: I know you talk about your Jamaican heritage and your
Speaker 1: relationship with your mom and the sacrifice is that she
Speaker 1: had to make. Was there anything that you were almost
Speaker 1: hesitant or surprised, you know, ended up in your story
Speaker 1: in the book.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I think I always knew I wanted
Speaker 2: to lead with my mom and make sure I gave
Speaker 2: her homage because everything that I am and that you
Speaker 2: see is because of like who she was and what
Speaker 2: she sacrificed. So you know, she had me at pretty
Speaker 2: young at twenty years old and immigrated here from Jamaica
Speaker 2: to the States, had to leave me behind to help
Speaker 2: establish herself, and so sharing that in the book, and
Speaker 2: I remember I went there was a point where I
Speaker 2: went to Atlanta to write like for a week because
Speaker 2: I was like, I have deadlines I need to meet
Speaker 2: and my mom was there. So my mom and I
Speaker 2: hung out in Atlanta, and she was telling me more
Speaker 2: of her story, like where she like, like how she
Speaker 2: was raised. And I knew some of this. I knew this,
Speaker 2: but we really just wanted to learn more because I
Speaker 2: knew I was going to be bringing some of that
Speaker 2: into the book, and I, you know, there were there's
Speaker 2: some parts where I'm just like, how blessed am I
Speaker 2: to have a mom like that who, even though she
Speaker 2: was not given the opportunities to express herself or she
Speaker 2: didn't get the kind of love and support that she
Speaker 2: needed as a child, that she like turned around and
Speaker 2: gave that to me, you know, like you know, some
Speaker 2: people repeat the cycle and some people break it. And
Speaker 2: my mom smashed it, like she she's like, we're not
Speaker 2: doing that. And she did every and to do that
Speaker 2: at such a young age. So all that I wanted
Speaker 2: to make sure it came through in the book because
Speaker 2: I also knew that. You know, I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: privileged and it's not a bad thing, you know. I
Speaker 2: don't when people like get all offended when you you know,
Speaker 2: you say that you have privilege or you had to help.
Speaker 2: I just feel like it's supposed to be that way,
Speaker 2: Like our kids will have help you know, like they
Speaker 2: would be the product and have a bit more privileged
Speaker 2: than we did. And the points as long as they're
Speaker 2: not you know, ENTI old you know a holes, right,
Speaker 2: we don't want that, But isn't that the point? And
Speaker 2: so I know that some people, if they see my
Speaker 2: story and see what I'm doing now, they probably look
Speaker 2: at it and they're like, oh whatever, Like easy for
Speaker 2: you to say because you had all these things which
Speaker 2: it worked hard for. But again there's some privilege in that,
Speaker 2: you know, being able to be here or be raised here,
Speaker 2: versus some of my siblings who were stayed in Jamaica.
Speaker 2: And so sharing my mom's story and making sure like
Speaker 2: it started with her and what she had to do
Speaker 2: in order to produce me, I think was important to
Speaker 2: share and made it into the book. And of course
Speaker 2: there were just some parts where you know, I wanted
Speaker 2: to be careful about who I included or how I
Speaker 2: included them, because you know, while it does impact me,
Speaker 2: it's just not I also don't want to step on
Speaker 2: or you know, share things that don't need to be
Speaker 2: shared if I can still accomplish the story and the
Speaker 2: mission of the story. So I just feel like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there were a bit of that, and I bet you
Speaker 2: it's so funny. Even though I wrote it and I
Speaker 2: read the audiobook, I bet you, if I read it
Speaker 2: again and through and through, I'd probably remember like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I put that in. I'd probably forget that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh I know. And it's like okay if I
Speaker 1: have to. If I'm putting something and I'm like I
Speaker 1: might need to run this by them, I'm like, cool, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm waiting till the very bitter end when I know
Speaker 1: it's maybe going to get published. Well, that's that's amazing.
Speaker 1: Has your mom read it yet?
Speaker 2: She has a copy? I don't think she's read it.
Speaker 2: She might have read, you know, the dedication and acknowledgment.
Speaker 2: I don't know she knows that. I would be very careful,
Speaker 2: you know, so like when I talk, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: talking more about her and like, you know me, because
Speaker 2: it was just the two of us for a very
Speaker 2: long time versus like bringing other people into it. You know.
Speaker 2: I feel like if I were to write another book
Speaker 2: or be more personal like that would be you word,
Speaker 2: I'd have to like run things by people and be like,
Speaker 2: all right, a lot of shit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I only scratched the service in the first book.
Speaker 1: I gotta dig deep. Now we got to get some skeletons,
Speaker 1: kind of get some skeletons on the gladst Okay, so
Speaker 1: people are going to get this book, and I mean
Speaker 1: it's a perfect time around the holidays. I can see
Speaker 1: why your publisher was like, let's push it into December.
Speaker 1: But what's the first thing you hope someone does when
Speaker 1: they close it?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. The first thing I hope someone does
Speaker 2: after they read it or even read your a portion
Speaker 2: of it, is to have this incredible sense that it's
Speaker 2: possible for them. Like I want whatever dreams that they
Speaker 2: had that they thought like oh, you know, like that's
Speaker 2: not something I should be pursuing or that's silly or
Speaker 2: I can't do that. Like I want them to look
Speaker 2: at this and read this and say, wait a second, now,
Speaker 2: like maybe this can be done. And I mean that's
Speaker 2: the whole goal. Like for me, I know, financial independence
Speaker 2: is a very audacious goal. I know when people roll
Speaker 2: their eyes at herring fire, like okay, really, like I
Speaker 2: have this much debt, I'm so maybe I'm I'm so
Speaker 2: much older, I started lay all these things and I
Speaker 2: get it. But what you'll be able to accomplish with
Speaker 2: your life even if you don't reach complete financial independence
Speaker 2: in the timeframe that you've set out for yourself. Just
Speaker 2: like me, I said I was going to reach it
Speaker 2: at forty years old. I would never have to work
Speaker 2: ever again. You know, I'd be done. And I'm you
Speaker 2: know that age now, So I feel so bad saying it.
Speaker 2: I can't even say it.
Speaker 1: Sometimes fabulous and forty, I know, right, it's okay because
Speaker 1: you got the melon and you love twenty five.
Speaker 2: Right right that part. So, but what's amazing is what
Speaker 2: I've been able to do with my life, like accomplishing,
Speaker 2: having freedom, the opportunities, doing these things in my life
Speaker 2: where I literally am living that life financially independent life now.
Speaker 2: Of course I'm not like spending in ways that I
Speaker 2: probably would spend, or I still do have to show
Speaker 2: up and work here and there. But I have much
Speaker 2: more freedom than I thought I could ever have starting
Speaker 2: this journey seven years ago. And I'm not completely financially independent.
Speaker 2: So I just feel like I want someone when they
Speaker 2: read this book, and yes, I'm like dangling this audacious
Speaker 2: goal in front of you, and I want you to
Speaker 2: attempt to do it because I know in the attempt
Speaker 2: that you will blow your mind about how your life
Speaker 2: can change. And that's what I want people to understand
Speaker 2: about what can happen for them if they start this journey.
Speaker 2: It's just it's not about the number. It's not about
Speaker 2: you know, getting X amount in your investment accounts. It's
Speaker 2: about who you become on the journey and path. And
Speaker 2: I just I want to shout from the mountaintops because
Speaker 2: it happened in my life, and it happened in so
Speaker 2: many other people's lives that either I interviewed or I
Speaker 2: say in the book, I profile in the book, and
Speaker 2: I'm just like, listen, you don't understand, but life is
Speaker 2: waiting for you, like it's possible. You just got to
Speaker 2: attempt to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. I mean when I launched my business,
Speaker 1: it was it was exciting and invigorating and all of that.
Speaker 1: And some days I get really beat down by the
Speaker 1: some of the burdens of being a business owner. You know,
Speaker 1: for example, my husband has a traditional nine to five,
Speaker 1: but he has like a boss. So when his bosses
Speaker 1: like show up, he just shows up. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: you just do what they say. You just have to go,
Speaker 1: which means I am like a business owner but also
Speaker 1: sort of like a mom, a stay at home mom
Speaker 1: at the same time, and I'm just like, this is
Speaker 1: too hard. How can I be both and all that? Well?
Speaker 1: First I look to people like you, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: higher help. I think about how you got someone to
Speaker 1: cook meals for you? Is she still cooking or you?
Speaker 2: We don't do that right now, but we might need
Speaker 2: to start again because we were struggling.
Speaker 1: The way that I sent Panera to my son's school today,
Speaker 1: he's four. I door dashed him his lunch because I
Speaker 1: was trapped. I was nap trapped at home with the baby,
Speaker 1: and the lunch just didn't make it into his backpack
Speaker 1: this morning. And I was like, hmm, I can't. I'm
Speaker 1: going to just have to spend this twenty dollars right
Speaker 1: here to get him some mac and cheese. And it
Speaker 1: was done. You know what I mean. Old me would
Speaker 1: have been like, I can do this. Put the baby
Speaker 1: in the car. Oh he's crying, give him a bottle,
Speaker 1: he'll be funny. You can nap later, you know, stress, stress, stress,
Speaker 1: make the sandwich and you know, unnecessary. Where was it
Speaker 1: going with this? I just feel like it's mom brain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think that there's so many on the positive side.
Speaker 1: When I thought about my work day today, I was like,
Speaker 1: I know, I have the podcast with you in the
Speaker 1: middle of the day. I get to stay home a
Speaker 1: few hours. I get to take a nap later if
Speaker 1: I need to, you know, I get to have this
Speaker 1: conversation with you, and no one is sort of jerking
Speaker 1: me in any direction. You're on the show because I
Speaker 1: wanted you to be here. No one's forcing that, and
Speaker 1: there is and you know, and I'm not financially free
Speaker 1: in the sense that I never have to, you know,
Speaker 1: ever work again. And you know, I'm on my own journey.
Speaker 1: But the journey feels good and I love and I
Speaker 1: keep looking at your book title. I like, it's the
Speaker 1: journey to financial freedom. I almost feel like they should
Speaker 1: have made that word the biggest one. But it's the journey.
Speaker 1: And it's like, what are how how is your journey
Speaker 1: gonna go? And are you gonna look back on it
Speaker 1: and think, oh, hell, yeah, we have some good times
Speaker 1: and look we're here now, or are you going to
Speaker 1: look back and be like, oh, I remember nothing. It
Speaker 1: was such a slog It was it was bitter, it
Speaker 1: was a fight, you know, And I love that you're
Speaker 1: sort of making it something that can be positive, something
Speaker 1: that can be as bright and glowing and gorgeous as
Speaker 1: that the cover.
Speaker 2: Yeah, book, I mean, it's meant to be enjoyable. So
Speaker 2: I think life, you know, there's so many things happening
Speaker 2: in this world and so many reasons why we can
Speaker 2: just say, you know, what's the point. And when I
Speaker 2: think like that, you know, I just have to be
Speaker 2: reminded and center myself back to like there's a reason
Speaker 2: why I woke up this morning, Like what am I
Speaker 2: doing this for? You know? And I ultimately, yes, money
Speaker 2: is a tool and we need to understand how to
Speaker 2: use it to our own benefit. But it's you know,
Speaker 2: it really is just a tool. It's made up, you know,
Speaker 2: like literally the printed when they want to right, And
Speaker 2: I think just understanding that and being your biggest asset.
Speaker 2: So I know we talk a lot in the finance
Speaker 2: world about like investing in assets and all these things externally,
Speaker 2: and I really think so the big part of the
Speaker 2: book too is yes, I'm asking you to do these
Speaker 2: external things and to do things, but it's really about
Speaker 2: being It's about your mindset and habits and who you
Speaker 2: are despite the numbers, despite being in debt, despite not
Speaker 2: understanding something and still figuring it out, despite being nervous
Speaker 2: to go ask for that raise, or to put your
Speaker 2: hand up, you know, in a meeting, or to stand
Speaker 2: up for yourself, despite even if you don't do it
Speaker 2: right away, maybe it takes you five meetings to raise
Speaker 2: that hand. It's just who are you in that process
Speaker 2: and recognizing like the smallest you know, you know, even
Speaker 2: just raising your hand a little bit, like that's when
Speaker 2: because you didn't do that before. And so like for me,
Speaker 2: it is about the journey and like reveling in that
Speaker 2: and like enjoying it and making it uniquely your own.
Speaker 2: So everyone's starting point is different. Everyone's going to have
Speaker 2: different privileges or assets that they can use to help
Speaker 2: them or you know whatever. And so I just think
Speaker 2: understanding that and wanting to relay that to people and say,
Speaker 2: like listen, it's it's gonna take some work, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't have to be miserable, and you'll have so much
Speaker 2: more happiness once you do focus on the internal journey
Speaker 2: as well as yacht one outward one that it's going
Speaker 2: to be well worth it once you start.
Speaker 1: Were there ever times on the journey where you questioned
Speaker 1: like is this working? Am I gonna? Is this going
Speaker 1: to happen? Can you talk about any of those moments
Speaker 1: and what sort of kept you going?
Speaker 2: Well? Of course, yes, and in all aspects of my life,
Speaker 2: whether it was my entrepreneurship journey, and they all intertwine, right,
Speaker 2: like they're all kind of intertwined together, these roads that
Speaker 2: were on in paths, my motherhood journey, you know, my
Speaker 2: financial journey, like all these things were you know, I
Speaker 2: remember when I quit my job and at the time,
Speaker 2: Journey Launch wasn't making anything there of what my job
Speaker 2: was making, but I just had this desire that you know, this,
Speaker 2: this was what was next for me.
Speaker 1: You've had that hell commute three hours?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like one and a half hours one
Speaker 2: way on a good day, you know, and so I
Speaker 2: was just like this is not like I can't and
Speaker 2: so but there were times when you know, I wasn't
Speaker 2: making money, or we were pulling from our savings account
Speaker 2: to help pay for our expenses because I didn't have
Speaker 2: my income anymore, where I thought like what did I
Speaker 2: just do? And that's when, you know, after some of
Speaker 2: those feelings I'd go back to the plan I created,
Speaker 2: and I reassured myself that, Okay, worst case scenario, what
Speaker 2: is going to happen, You'll be okay. I always like
Speaker 2: to tell people look back. So when I get those feelings,
Speaker 2: whether it was like why did I like, you know,
Speaker 2: is this going to work? Even writing the book, I'm
Speaker 2: just like, even though things were going so well, I
Speaker 2: have to like remind myself, and I tell people to
Speaker 2: remind yourself, like of all like it took to get
Speaker 2: you here, Like, there are a lot of things that
Speaker 2: went right. I know some things are going wrong, but
Speaker 2: there are a lot of things that went right to
Speaker 2: get you here. Listen to this our voices to put
Speaker 2: you in the position you are today. And that's kind
Speaker 2: of what I always go back to, is like, look
Speaker 2: at like you're doubting yourself and writing this book, but
Speaker 2: look what got you here. Look how many people were
Speaker 2: interested in this book. There's a reason for that. And
Speaker 2: so I just I try to cent her back into
Speaker 2: so much amazing things have happened. Who's like, why would
Speaker 2: it stop? Right? As long as I continue to have
Speaker 2: the faith and I'm living what I hope is a
Speaker 2: good life and being a good person like that, all
Speaker 2: that will continue.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's that. It's I think I wrote about the
Speaker 1: post about this recently too. It's like, what would you
Speaker 1: five years ago be amazed that you're doing right now?
Speaker 1: I mean, I bet five years ago you'd be like,
Speaker 1: I kind of want to write a book and dang
Speaker 1: girl on the GMA. But jumbo tron and your book
Speaker 1: on shelves. Congratulations, and thank you so so much for
Speaker 1: sharing a bit of your journey with the ba fam
Speaker 1: and for being a returning guest. That's your second or
Speaker 1: third time. I don't know you can come back a
Speaker 1: friend of this sh shoe. All right, y'all, go grab
Speaker 1: your copy and buy some for your family, your friends,
Speaker 1: anyone to put in that stocking. Get it extra big
Speaker 1: stocking in this year. Okay, just shove it on in there.
Speaker 1: The bank again. It's called your what's that? Go ahead?
Speaker 2: No, no, go ahead, No, it's gonna be the website.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get there.
Speaker 1: Don't you worry, because you know you can tell you've
Speaker 1: been uh, you've been tutored by Tiffany when you domain
Speaker 1: for your book.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: The book is called Your Journey to Financial Freedom, A
Speaker 1: Step by step guide to achieving wealth and happiness and
Speaker 1: it's out right now. And what is the website where
Speaker 1: everyone can cop that book?
Speaker 2: Jamila? You can go to your Journey to Financialfreedom dot
Speaker 2: com and see all the places you can buy.
Speaker 1: Awesome. And you got some freebies or some like goodies,
Speaker 1: right or was that for the pre orders now?
Speaker 2: Actually I'm gonna I'm gonna keep it up until I
Speaker 2: think maybe next week. But you get a free course
Speaker 2: and some goodies when you order a hard copy of
Speaker 2: the book and you put your information in at your
Speaker 2: Journey to Financialfreedom dot com. I have a starter fire course.
Speaker 2: Tell people get started. And it's a great compliment to
Speaker 2: the book Your Journey to Financialfreedom dot com.
Speaker 1: I hope it is a huge success no matter what happens.
Speaker 1: You did a thing, Mama, You wrote a book. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: I want to be you when I grow up in
Speaker 1: two years from now. Okay, all right, y'all be sure
Speaker 1: to go to your financial your Journey to Financialfreedom dot
Speaker 1: com and Jamila take care. We'll see y'all pretty soon. Actually,
Speaker 1: because Jamala is sticking around for the VAQA, So go
Speaker 1: ahead and check out that episode. Hitting your phones or
Speaker 1: your I was about to say Radio, that's not No
Speaker 1: one has those coming to you on Friday with the
Speaker 1: VAQA will be taking some of your financial freedom questions,
Speaker 1: all right Bye,