1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,040 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:07,480 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to Stuff you should know 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: from House Stuff Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to 4 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as always as 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: Charles W. Bryant. Josh call him Chuck to Josh. Insert 6 00:00:24,079 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 1: with the intro. I don't have one, okay, so we 7 00:00:27,640 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: should we talk about in your death experience? Yeah, I've 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: got one for you. Actually, Um. In there was a 9 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:37,199 Speaker 1: woman named Pam Reynolds who is a song stress from 10 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,280 Speaker 1: what I can gather, a blues song stress, possibly country 11 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: cross over here there. She's in Atlanta, resident really yeah, um, 12 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: And she underwent a procedure to repair a brain and aneurism, 13 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: right okay, And this brain and yoursm apparently was in 14 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: a really difficult place. And um, she got in touch 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: with a specialist who's like, you know what, Um, I 16 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: know a procedure we can do on you, because we're 17 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 1: gonna have to drain all the blood from your brain 18 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: to operate on this thing. That's not good now. Basically, 19 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: the doctor said, Pam, we're gonna have to kill you. 20 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: For about forty five minutes. I was just about to 21 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:16,280 Speaker 1: say that would probably mean she's dead. Huh. So the 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 1: procedure that she underwent was a hypothermic cardiac arrest, and 23 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,320 Speaker 1: she was intentionally cardiac arrested, Um, by lowering your body 24 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: temperature to I think sixty degrees fahrenheit for for good 25 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: forty five minutes. Right, looks like flatlanders. It's very much 26 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: like talk. She'll see yes. Um, So Pam Reynolds is 27 00:01:37,280 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: dead for forty five minutes, and not like accidentally dead, 28 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: like she was purposefully killed by her physicians. Um. They 29 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,800 Speaker 1: cut the top of her her head off, repaired the 30 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: brain aneurysm, so they're butchering her as well. Right, Yeah, 31 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: she's dead, what does she care? Uh? And then they 32 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 1: successfully bring her back and Pam Reynolds sits up after 33 00:01:57,760 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: she's recovering and says, hey, God, breath. Pretty crazy. I 34 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: saw my grandmother and my uncle, and there was a 35 00:02:04,880 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: tunnel with white light and all of these things that 36 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: have come to be recognized as aspects of a near 37 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: death experience. That's weird for one reason. One reason is 38 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:18,240 Speaker 1: that there was no blood to her brain, therefore she 39 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 1: should not have had any sensory input reaction whatsoever. But 40 00:02:22,480 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: maybe it happened as it was draining. Now, who knows. 41 00:02:25,880 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 1: Maybe weird thing number two. Weird thing number two. When 42 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: she came to she could describe the bon saw that 43 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: she never saw while she was alive that cut her 44 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: head open. She said that she she was surprised by 45 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: it because it looked more like an electric toothbrush than 46 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: what she was expecting. She never saw it at any point, um. 47 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: And she could also describe things like, oh, I don't know, 48 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: the surgeons shirt that he was wearing beneath his scrubs, 49 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: things like that that she should not have ever been 50 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 1: able to see. Um. She was not, as far as 51 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,080 Speaker 1: I know, much of a believer in that kind of 52 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:03,840 Speaker 1: thing until afterward. And her case is widely pointed to 53 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: as one of the best pieces of evidence that there 54 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: is such a thing as life after death. She had 55 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: like a classic near death experience. We could end it 56 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: right now, and I think people would be satisfied. Okay, 57 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: that was such a good story. Well I'm hungry, so 58 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: why don't we Okay, let's get a twinkie. Wow, that's 59 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:25,440 Speaker 1: awesome and cool. Thanks, And that really happened. Oh yeah, 60 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: it definitely happens. She's still Pam Reynolds. She's very much 61 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: alive and UM apparently likes her experience. She had a 62 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: great experience. Um. She has at least one album she 63 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: released called The Side Effects of Death. Are you serious? Yeah? Yeah, 64 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 1: she's She seems like a pretty cool lady. Is she 65 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: still at Lantay now? I don't know. That would be 66 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 1: cool if we you know, I've had lunch with her something. Well, 67 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: if if she is and she's listening to an email, 68 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: we'll go have lunch because I would love to hear 69 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: that firsthand. That would be awesome. As a matter of fact, 70 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: I will pay for lunch out of my own pocket 71 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: for that one, which is really saying something that I know. 72 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:02,600 Speaker 1: I O Jerry thirty five bucks first. Yeah, He's like, 73 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 1: pay me, then go eat your hot dog. Uh so, Josh. 74 00:04:06,160 --> 00:04:10,280 Speaker 1: The term near death experience coined in nineteen by Dr 75 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: Raymond Moody in his book Life After Life, very clever title, 76 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: it is very clever, Um and actually Moody you will 77 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,479 Speaker 1: notice the doctor um, which makes him less of a 78 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: crack pot. Uh. And we'll find throughout this podcast that 79 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: there are some very smart, very educated, very um skeptical 80 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: people who are researching this. Yeah, this is not just 81 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 1: some fringe scientific idea or even just a fringe religious idea. 82 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: It's pretty much where religion and science converge. Yeah, I mean, 83 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: there's no doubt that there are near death experience is 84 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: what they are interpreted as and explained away as is 85 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: what differs. They definitely happened. The earliest description we have 86 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:56,599 Speaker 1: of a near death experience comes from Plato's Republic, written 87 00:04:56,640 --> 00:05:00,559 Speaker 1: in A three sixty B c UM, which is BC 88 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: for those of you who are not hip to the 89 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 1: new abbreviation R. Do you know what BC stands for? 90 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 1: Before Christ existed, before Chuck existed, Before Chuck, I don't know. 91 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 1: Um No, before before the Common era, the Common era 92 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: Judaism and Christians. What's the other one, because you said 93 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: that one the end of the day, the Common Era CE, B, C, E, 94 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: and C. Right, Yeah, so with that out of the way, Yeah, 95 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: it's still Judeo Christian though, and it's uh oh it is, well, yeah, 96 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: before the Common era of Judaism and Christianity. Oh I 97 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: just thought they meant before Chuck existed. Okay, so anyway, 98 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 1: Plato describes the soldier named Er who was killed in 99 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 1: battle uh, and came back to life, but apparently left 100 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,159 Speaker 1: his body and was judged before a panel of souls 101 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: and saw heaven, which will sound kind of familiar to 102 00:05:50,360 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: any fan of Albert Brooks. Yeah, was Defending Your Life 103 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: In Your Life arguably the greatest movie about the afterlife ever. Yeah. 104 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:00,599 Speaker 1: I'm a big Albert Brooks fan. All Right, I'm not 105 00:06:00,640 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 1: a big fan, but that's what probably my top five 106 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: favorite movies. I like him. I think I'm down with 107 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,719 Speaker 1: the neurotic uh, Woody Allen Albert Brooks types. I like 108 00:06:08,800 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: him more than Woody Allen. I'm a Woody not so Chuck. 109 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:15,839 Speaker 1: Do you think we should talk about near death experiences? 110 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: Maybe we should talk about what is typical of an indie? Yeah. 111 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: And the thing that strikes me is, you know, it's 112 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 1: not that Um Grabanowski, who you know, is like the 113 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,919 Speaker 1: sign of quality for an article. You see him byline, 114 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 1: you know it's worth reading, right, Um, Which is not 115 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:32,839 Speaker 1: to say that there's an article on the site that's 116 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:34,800 Speaker 1: not worth reading, now that I think about that, good point, 117 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:39,160 Speaker 1: kiss up. Yeah, Um. But I think just anybody living 118 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: in the twenty one century has been so exposed to 119 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: the concept of near death experiences that like, all of 120 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: this will sound very familiar, but Chuck, yes, take it. 121 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:50,679 Speaker 1: We'll go through these fairly quickly because there's a little list. 122 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: Feeling of calmness is one um intense pure bright light. 123 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,840 Speaker 1: You always hear about the light go into the light. Uh, 124 00:06:58,880 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: and out of body experience. Ants. That's good. I think 125 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 1: it actually makes that sound upon re entry um entering 126 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: another realm or dimension. Spirit beings knees are beings of 127 00:07:15,680 --> 00:07:20,000 Speaker 1: light or other representations of spiritual entities. Already said, Okay, 128 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: the tunnel, which we always talk about, and the light 129 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: is typically at the end of the tunnel. Uh. Communication 130 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: with spirits it's usually a strong male voice, which is interesting. Uh. 131 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: And life review, which is also called a panoramic life 132 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 1: review check. And that is when you see your you 133 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:43,800 Speaker 1: know you've heard of your life flash before your eyes. Right. 134 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: That's that. So those are the common hallmarks of an indie. 135 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 1: Right and UM. Most of the time, when you hear 136 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: somebody coming back to life after death, whether your physician 137 00:07:55,200 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 1: did it to you on purpose or accidentally, or somebody 138 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: hit you in the head with a ball peene hammer, Um, 139 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: most people say it was awesome, Like Jesus was there, 140 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: and so was my aunt and my dog and and everything. Yeah, 141 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:13,480 Speaker 1: Elvis was there and it wasn't fat anymore. It was wonderful. Um. 142 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 1: But there is actually a segment of the population that 143 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: has experienced a near death experience that says, yeah, that 144 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: didn't happen to me. Actually, I had the exact opposite experience. 145 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 1: I went to Hell. Up up to one of people 146 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: in a poll that we're going to talk about, said 147 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: it's what I like to call a bad trip. Bad trip, indeed, 148 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: probably the worst trip of all time. We're talking biblical 149 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:41,319 Speaker 1: descriptions of hell, lakes of fire, tormented souls, and oppressive heat. 150 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 1: And actually this was surprising to me. There was there 151 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 1: some people come back from experiences like that or even 152 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 1: good ones, with the prophetic vision a lot of times 153 00:08:51,880 --> 00:08:54,640 Speaker 1: that the world is going to end. And there was 154 00:08:54,679 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: a group of people who were unknown to each other 155 00:08:56,880 --> 00:09:00,520 Speaker 1: that came back, Um, I guess during the eighties and 156 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 1: said the world's gonna end in And they didn't know 157 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,280 Speaker 1: one another, and they all had the same experience, which 158 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: is weird. The world obviously didn't end in night, but 159 00:09:09,720 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: so that means it's bunk. Not necessarily, what if a 160 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: portion of the world ended, a portion that we're not 161 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,640 Speaker 1: really familiar with, or that we just didn't realize, Like 162 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: maybe humanity lost a little bit of its humanenus in 163 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eight and we just didn't recognize it as 164 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,199 Speaker 1: the world ending. Or the aliens living inside the hollow 165 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: Earth maybe they all died or have you read um 166 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,679 Speaker 1: what was it Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agents, never heard 167 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 1: of it. Douglas Adams, the guy who wrote Hitchhiker's Guide 168 00:09:36,120 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: to the Galaxy. That he writes about this, uh, this 169 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,079 Speaker 1: other dimensional group that are coming to take over Earth. 170 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: But somebody forgot to uh to carry like a zero 171 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:50,440 Speaker 1: or something, and they when they teleported themselves to our dimension, 172 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 1: they showed up as very very tiny and we're inhaled 173 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,000 Speaker 1: by a dog immediately. Really. Yeah, that dude's got a 174 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: great sense of humor. He's got a great one. I 175 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,960 Speaker 1: always did what he lays down well said. So let's 176 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,160 Speaker 1: get back to that pole that I referenced. Yeah, because 177 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: this is pretty interesting. This is one of the people 178 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: I was talking about. It's very smart and very educated 179 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: and very well known to George Gallop Jr. Right of 180 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: the pole. Gallops the gallop pole of the Coney Island Gallops. 181 00:10:16,120 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: He Uh and author William Proctor released a book called 182 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 1: Adventures and Immortality in two and that's pretty much the 183 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: most exhaustive polling research that's ever been done on indies. Yeah, 184 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 1: we have a rule of thumb here at how stuff 185 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: works dot com where if it studies a decade old 186 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: or more and a lot of us actually fudged towards 187 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: the other side eight nine years, it's probably out of date. 188 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 1: This this book is still cited. It was just like, 189 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: it's so exhaustive, it's so authority, it's the standard. Yeah, 190 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: very cool. I got some stats then from this pole. 191 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 1: Josh Chuck loves stats. They know that, Oh, somebody is 192 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 1: drinking right now in Korea, Richard go chuckers Hey Jerry. 193 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: Of all Americans who had been in near death situations 194 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: reported having a near death experience, and it's a lot. 195 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 1: That is a lot. Nine percent included the classic out 196 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: of body experience, and h eleven percent included entering a 197 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: realm or dimension a different one. An eight percent featured 198 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: the presence of spiritual beings. Pretty cool, and well yeah, 199 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: one percent reported bad trip. Basically that was the Gaol 200 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 1: but other smaller studies have reported up to a quarter 201 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: of people who have indes have, as Chuck puts it, 202 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: bad trips. Yeah. The other cool thing Josh about this 203 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: UH study is they indicated that one hundred near death 204 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: experience subjects revealed that prior religious belief and knowledge of 205 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: the near death experience did not really have any kind 206 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:55,920 Speaker 1: of effect. So it wasn't like, oh, I'm really, um 207 00:11:56,080 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: super Christian and so I saw God right in St. Jr. 208 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: Home and St. Pete, or I'm really into near death 209 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: experiences so I saw one that kind of thing. Yeah. Um. 210 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,640 Speaker 1: There's a guy named Kenneth Ring who's also a very 211 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: prolific researcher and author on near death experiences UM, and 212 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: he did a h he started to quantify UM what 213 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: was going on among populations that have experienced in these 214 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: right and he found that most people, a small percentage 215 00:12:28,400 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: again feel like fear, depression, that kind of thing afterwards. 216 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,880 Speaker 1: But most people who undergo a near death experience UM 217 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 1: have a new renewed appreciation for life and living. They 218 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: feel that they are not no longer afraid of death UM, 219 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: and a lot of them become a lot more extroverted 220 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: or I should say most of them become extroverted. They're 221 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 1: basically changed by their experience UM and they are much 222 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 1: more spiritual. But interestingly, that doesn't he didn't see an 223 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,960 Speaker 1: increase a positive correlation between that increased spirituality and increased 224 00:13:02,080 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: UM religiousness or increased church attendance. Right, it was like 225 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 1: an inward spirituality. Right. Did you ever see the movie Fearless? 226 00:13:09,160 --> 00:13:12,720 Speaker 1: Is that the Jeff Bridges plane crushed? Yeah? I heard 227 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: the movie poster though, Oh that's you know what I had? 228 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: That movie poster were so we were there to be chuck. 229 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,360 Speaker 1: That is odd. It's a great movie. They just check 230 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 1: it out here. Jeff Bridges survives and he uh, it's 231 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:26,680 Speaker 1: the only movie I know of that it goes through 232 00:13:26,720 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: all the classic UM in a realistic way. It goes 233 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: through the classic post near death experience UM trials and tribulations. See. 234 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: Knowing me, I would have just crippling survivors guilt for 235 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: the rest of my life the way he had that. 236 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,360 Speaker 1: And he also had the invincibility that they talked about too, 237 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: like the shield of invincibility, cloak of invincibility literally, but yeah, 238 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 1: I felt like I can't die. Oh oh yeah, I 239 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: remember he's like on a ledge or something at one 240 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: point where I'm totally who cares? You noticed he didn't 241 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 1: jump though, of course anyone can stand on a ledge. 242 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:02,080 Speaker 1: That's not gonna kill you. That's like the Bill routine. Okay, 243 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: So Bill Hicks is talking about people taking drugs like 244 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 1: PCP or whatever and flying on or you know, jumping 245 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 1: off a buildings thinking they can fly, And Bill Hicks 246 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: is like, if you think you can fly, why don't 247 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: you just try taking off from the ground, Right, that's 248 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: a good sharp guy. That's funny you mentioned that. Actually, 249 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: it's exactly, isn't it. This PCP and uh, what's that? Yeah, 250 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: that's right, are believed to give similar feelings as near 251 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: death experiences, Is that right? Uh? Yeah, Actually, supposedly you 252 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 1: can a lot of people feel like they're actually dying 253 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: when they're in the grips of a trip on PCP 254 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 1: or ketamine. And actually also, um, there's a lot of 255 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 1: similar near death experiences, like, uh, people have reported being 256 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: on ketamine and feeling like they're spinning around and attracting 257 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: light beings like we mentioned earlier. Yeah, um, and and 258 00:14:55,240 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: so there's some real similarities, especially with ketamine and near 259 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:02,080 Speaker 1: death experiences, which is really really odd, but that kind 260 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: of undermines the spiritual theory of near death experiences and 261 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 1: in in supports the scientific theories about it. Right, let's 262 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: talk about those. Okay. What we're talking about with the 263 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: spiritual is more like a supernatural explanation, is that you're 264 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: talking about? Yeah, that you And I hate to put 265 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:21,120 Speaker 1: it like this because I don't think that. I think 266 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: supernatural kind of undermines it. It makes it sound cookie, 267 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: but um, that I guess the supernatural explanation is that 268 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: you possess a soul that lives on after your your 269 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:34,240 Speaker 1: body dies and your passion, it goes onto another dimension 270 00:15:34,280 --> 00:15:39,400 Speaker 1: and just things that science can't or possibly can't yet explain, 271 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 1: which makes them supernatural rather than natural. Supernatural actually should 272 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: be a good word. Yeah, it's a great word as Um. Yeah, 273 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 1: I mean essentially passing on to the afterlife, or in 274 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,880 Speaker 1: the case of reincarnation, may be passing from one life 275 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: to another, that kind of thing. Right, So that's the 276 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 1: spiritual supernatural reasoning. And then there's science. Are we there yet? Yeah, 277 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: we were there a while back. Science, there's a few 278 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 1: theories going on that. Um, it's really a lot of 279 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: stuff happening in the brain. Well, you can't say theories. 280 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: These are hypotheses, because Chuck, why does it say scientific theories? 281 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 1: Then the grapster was himself overworked that week. But um no, 282 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: these are hypotheses because you can't test them. You can't 283 00:16:28,040 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: kill somebody to see what happens to him, like flatliners exactly. 284 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: I mean you can, but then you end up as 285 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: Kevin Bacon found in Big Trouble. Yeah, what did he had? 286 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: The kids that he teased were after him or something? 287 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: Or was that the mouth breather, No, the mouth breather, 288 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 1: I don't remember what happened. He had the little girl 289 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 1: in the subway train that was after him, the mouth 290 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 1: breather and Kevin Bacon. No, no no, no, Kevin Bacon had 291 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: the girl in the subway, and the mouth breather was 292 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 1: the one who teased the kid up in the tree 293 00:16:57,160 --> 00:17:00,680 Speaker 1: that fell, that's right. And Julia Roberts had cookie Dad 294 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: and William Baldwin, Oh yeah, she not the cookie dad, 295 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: the junkie the junkie dad. And then I don't think 296 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: Oliver Platte everyone under Diddy he was kind of with. 297 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 1: And then William Baldwin's all involved ex Girl Friends, which 298 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 1: I thought was pretty silly. Yeah, that's a good movie though. 299 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: Yeah it hasn't aged well, oh no, I haven't seen it. Uh, 300 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 1: not bad though. So medical science, Yeah, they say that 301 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:29,439 Speaker 1: the brain is um perhaps getting the senses confused, and 302 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: your brain starts malfunctioning to the point where you see 303 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 1: these uh see the lights as your brain is shutting 304 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:38,359 Speaker 1: down that kind of thing. Your visual cortex creates that 305 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: image and it's it's all easily explained. Right. So I'm 306 00:17:41,240 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: looking at you right now, Chuck, and you are really 307 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 1: just a cluster of light and shadows that forms of 308 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 1: shape which I'm receiving through my retinas, that are basically 309 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: being transformed into electrical impulses that go to the visual 310 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:57,919 Speaker 1: cortex in my brain, which takes them compiles them into 311 00:17:58,040 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: what I'm seeing as you, Chuck sitting there right What 312 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 1: happens if that part of my brain is malfunctioning. I 313 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: still am getting uh, sensory input through my eyes, but 314 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,760 Speaker 1: my brain is no longer making sense of it. So 315 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: maybe it turns into what's called neural noise. My brain 316 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: still is struggling to make sense of it, Like that's 317 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 1: what our brains do. Remember the podcast on dreaming, there's 318 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 1: a dreaming that we um our brains want to make 319 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: sense of things no matter what, and that's possibly what 320 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 1: dreams are. Right. It's almost like the brain is still 321 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 1: just struggling. It's like a fish flopping in a boat 322 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,200 Speaker 1: at this point. It's it's, you know, not really doing 323 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: what it wants to, but it it's still wants to 324 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: do what it needs to write, wasn't it. Uh So, 325 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,440 Speaker 1: so the brain is taking all this information, but it's 326 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,040 Speaker 1: miscategorizing it whatever. So all of a sudden, there's a 327 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: bright white light, or there's a tunnel, or there's a 328 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: being there. Um. And it's also possible that it takes 329 00:18:56,720 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 1: all this information and it's jumbled, but it's not until 330 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,360 Speaker 1: after we wake up and our conscious memory is active 331 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: that it's sorting it into those memories, these false memories 332 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: or whatever. And the other thing too, your brain, uh, 333 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,240 Speaker 1: your your spatial sense is prone to malfunction when you 334 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: have in your death experience and that could explain potentially 335 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: the outer body experience when you feel yourself floating around 336 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: the room looking down at your own body. That kind 337 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: of thing, right, and that um calm sensation and being 338 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: at peace. It's possible that um, these are it's the 339 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 1: result of endorphins flooding our brain, which has been shown 340 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,639 Speaker 1: to they've been really they are released during times of 341 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 1: like trauma and extreme stress as a coping mechanism. Like apparently, 342 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: if you're drowning, right before you drown, you've just become 343 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: euphoric because your brain just floods itself with endorphins right 344 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,919 Speaker 1: before you die. So we know that that's a pretty 345 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 1: good possibility to write. And uh, I think they've explained 346 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: or tried to explain the meeting with God that kind 347 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: of thing as basically a combination of a bunch of things, 348 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 1: maybe the sensory and put combined with a lack of 349 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: oxygen to your brain and the endorphins and they all 350 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 1: getting mixed up together to create a really realistic Yeah, So, Chuck, 351 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 1: this is um as far as near death experiences go. 352 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 1: There's so much evidence, and we have such a little 353 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 1: grasp on the brain. It seems like the scientific theories 354 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,720 Speaker 1: are reasonable in some cases. And I'm like, there's a 355 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: line that grab Anowski throws out there. He's like, but 356 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: what about you know, people who like Pam Reynolds who 357 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 1: describe what's going on while they're actually dead. Sure, He's like, 358 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,160 Speaker 1: it's possible the brain is still getting sensory input. He goes, 359 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: whether you think that that's more irrational of an explanation 360 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: than the person's soul actually left the body. As a 361 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: matter of opinion, I thought he did a good job 362 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,880 Speaker 1: with that too, because there's no definite answer and there 363 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 1: probably won't be. Well, I can't say that, but who knows. Well. 364 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,119 Speaker 1: I think a lot of scientists think that they have 365 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: found definitive answers that the brain is just screwed up 366 00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: right there. But I think this is one of those cases. 367 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: And I don't think it's this is true in every case, 368 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: but this is one of those cases where science might 369 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: be able to explain the how, but not the why. 370 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: Like if we do undergo some sort of transformation or 371 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,880 Speaker 1: transition after death, wouldn't it be based on the chemical 372 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: composition of our brains? Like, wouldn't that be the way 373 00:21:18,840 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: we were most easily manipulated? I think, so, yeah, that's 374 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: where I parked my car. Well, thanks for parking your Carlo, Chuck, 375 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,119 Speaker 1: that's a good one. Maybe we should kill each other tonight, 376 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,520 Speaker 1: like choke each other out until we're at the brink 377 00:21:33,560 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: and then like slap each other in the face and 378 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,359 Speaker 1: see what happens. Um, why don't we not do it 379 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 1: at the same time. You go first, I'll put a 380 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: belt around your neck and tie you to a piece 381 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: of exercise equipment, and I'll just stand there because I 382 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:47,679 Speaker 1: think one of us needs to be alive while the 383 00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: other one's under Yes, and we are not condoning this 384 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:52,600 Speaker 1: because that is very dangerous to do and you should 385 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: not try something like that. Agreed. Agreed, we're trained professionals. Agreed. 386 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about near death experiences, 387 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:03,400 Speaker 1: there's actually um some pretty good articles. There's a Grabbinowski's. 388 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: I wrote one on has science explained life after death? 389 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: And uh, the former writer Jacob Silverman wrote one on 390 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: out of body experiences. Uh. You can type in near 391 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: death and I think it should bring all three of 392 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 1: those up. Type those in the handy search bar at 393 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com, which means it's time for 394 00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: a listener mail. I'm gonna call this, um a pretty 395 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: amazing medical story, more amazing than what we were just 396 00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: talking about. Well, I don't know. And also check we 397 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,159 Speaker 1: should probably give a shout out to that listener. Remember 398 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: he wrote in about his dad dying and he found 399 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: out there were those cards on on the high shelf 400 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,680 Speaker 1: that you could only see if you were floating at 401 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:47,760 Speaker 1: the season right. So hey, there you inspired this podcast 402 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: in a way. Hi guys, I'm propped up in a 403 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: bed in a Sydney hospital, recovering from a gas direct 404 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:56,480 Speaker 1: to me by catching up on a whole uh stack 405 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: of Stuff podcast in the hospital, listening to all my 406 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,080 Speaker 1: all our shows. Do they stack at the digital file? 407 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,360 Speaker 1: They are? Um? I've been here for two weeks after 408 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,600 Speaker 1: admitting myself to emergency with abdonmenal cramps. I had a 409 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 1: there's a lot of medical terms in there. I had. 410 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 1: I had a lubectomy of my left lower lung in 411 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: December of last year to remove a pulmonary sequestration, and 412 00:23:19,800 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: the initial CT scan when I was admitted showed an 413 00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:26,240 Speaker 1: abscess in the space where my lung used to be used. 414 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 1: To bet I know, I was very fortunate to have 415 00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:34,000 Speaker 1: the same surgeon called in to repeat the procedure. However, 416 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: once he got in there, he was met with something 417 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: very unexpected. The abscess was actually my stomach, which had 418 00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: herniated into a cavity, who a minute opening in my 419 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 1: diaphragm created by the sequestration. I eat, It's always been there, 420 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: but it was only exposed when they removed it, so, uh, 421 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,280 Speaker 1: it was gone, had had gone completely gan greenness, which 422 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: is not a pleasant word to hear, DNS gangredness, jerk. 423 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: They immediately flipped me over and found that all but 424 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: ten percent of my stomach had been pulled through this 425 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:09,480 Speaker 1: tiny hole. What so they had to completely remove it 426 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 1: and attach my esophagus directly to my small intestine. I 427 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: told you it was pretty amazing, apparently as the procedure 428 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,600 Speaker 1: used on stomach cancer patients, and uh, he was in 429 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: surgery theater for almost ten hours. From what I gather, 430 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,639 Speaker 1: it's a very unique occurrence, and all the nurses that 431 00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: have come by have asked me about it, and the 432 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: doctors give me this fascinated look whenever they passed by. 433 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 1: My word like, wow, that's the dude. With the recent 434 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: special US health care system. I thought it would be 435 00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 1: interesting to both of you, but wasn't for the quick 436 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: action and surgeons and the fact that I was in 437 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: the hospital residents to uh, some of the top surgeons 438 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: in the state. I've been told, there's a good chance 439 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have made it quite sobering. So where it 440 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: is after a month, my intestine will have expanded to 441 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: the point where I won't notice a big difference in 442 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,639 Speaker 1: diet or capacity. And the only only ongoing treatment on 443 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: the as a potential vitamin B twelve injection every three months. 444 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: Cool crazy, Huh that's what he said, Yes, and uh 445 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,159 Speaker 1: he wrote in. After that, I wrote him back and 446 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 1: he wrote in and said that, um, he wanted to 447 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:16,239 Speaker 1: add that it basically didn't custom a time. Nice. So 448 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 1: who who is it? This is Jeff and Jeff is 449 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: the owner of Grizzly Personal Training in Sydney, Australia at 450 00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:25,439 Speaker 1: grizzly pt dot com and Jeff d is on the 451 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:31,080 Speaker 1: mend and hopefully he'll be physically training some people stomachless. Well, Jeff, 452 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: congratulations on surviving and thank you for listening and taking 453 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: the time to write in. That's pretty awesome. Actually, thanks 454 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:42,239 Speaker 1: for having the stomach to tell us that story. Well, 455 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 1: if you have any amazing stories about how bundled payments 456 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: led you to find that you have a hole in 457 00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: your body that shouldn't be there, you can send in 458 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: an email to stuff podcast at how stuff works dot com. 459 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: For more on this and thousands of other topics, visit 460 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com. 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