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Speaker 1: A little boy goes missing, a massive search ensues today

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Speaker 1: the bombshell discovery that will forever change the course of

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Speaker 1: It was Thanksgiving twenty twelve. Thirteen year old budding athlete

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Speaker 1: Dylan red Wine was visiting his dad Mark at his

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Speaker 1: was a court ordered visit. Dylan's mom and dad went

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Speaker 1: through a contentious divorce. Mark says his son was sleeping

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Speaker 1: when he went off to run some errands, and when

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Speaker 1: he returned, Dylan was gone. Hundreds of volunteers search for

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Speaker 1: the little boy, but Dylan was never found. My focus

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Speaker 1: right now is focusing on Dylan and what he needs

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Speaker 1: from us to help find him. You were hearing our

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Speaker 1: friends at crime Watch Daily, but take a listen to Kaot.

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Speaker 1: Mark red Wine spoke with me at a video store

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Speaker 1: in Bayfield, which is now turned into the hub for

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Speaker 1: search volunteers. Flyers of Dylan are here for residents to

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Speaker 1: pick up and pass out. Red Wine says he hasn't

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Speaker 1: been able to sleep since the sun vanished from his

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Speaker 1: home twelve days ago. It's been a tough time. For

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Speaker 1: all of us. I know, I know that it's been

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Speaker 1: difficult on me, and I can only imagine how difficult

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Speaker 1: it's been for his mom and his brother and his family.

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Speaker 1: This community is shell shocked. I mean they are heartsick.

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Speaker 1: Store owner Denise hass is a close friend of Dylan's mother, Elaine.

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Speaker 1: She says, in the beginning of the search, social media

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Speaker 1: as soon as it got out, the community immediately came

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Speaker 1: together because that's how we roll in this community. You know,

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Speaker 1: What can we do? Post it notes all over a

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Speaker 1: map of Bayfield and by zet Show, where volunteers posted

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Speaker 1: flyers and went door to door. She says, there's still

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Speaker 1: a core team of about a dozen, but I think

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Speaker 1: people are starting to lose a little bit of hope.

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Speaker 1: You were hearing our friend Anna Velasquez speaking to Dylan's mom,

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Speaker 1: and she is joining us here today. Let me introduce

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Speaker 1: you our all star panel with me renowned criminal defense

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Speaker 1: attorney Troy Slayton joining me out of La Doctor Angela

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Speaker 1: Arnold psychiatrists from the Atlanta Jurisdiction, and you can find

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Speaker 1: her at Angela Arnold MD dot com. Professor Forensics, jacksonal

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Speaker 1: State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,

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Speaker 1: and also the star of a brand new series on

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Speaker 1: the True Crime Network, Poisonous. A Liaisons with Me from

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Speaker 1: Fox twenty one Colorado Springs Lauren Sharf, and very special

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Speaker 1: guest Dylan's mother, Elaine Hall. So let me understand the

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Speaker 1: timeline first. To you, Lauren Sharf. Dylan is staying with

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Speaker 1: The next morning. Dylan is then reported soon after on

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Speaker 1: November nineteen. What time was Dylan reported missing? Lauren Sharf,

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Speaker 1: Dylan's mom reported her son missing at five thirty to

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Speaker 1: Laquata County Sheriff's office, five thirty November nineteen. Yes, okay,

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Speaker 1: So I see a big gap, a very big gap

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Speaker 1: So let me understand something to Elaine Hall, this is

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Speaker 1: Laine and Mark red Wine were married for eighteen years.

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Speaker 1: So you get back at eleven thirty and he's gone, right,

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Speaker 1: and you sent him. You sent him without a coat. Okay.

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Speaker 1: Moms may see it differently than dads, or one parent

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Speaker 1: Tell me, Lauren Sharp Fox twenty one, Colorado Springs. Tell

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Speaker 1: What we know is there's evidence of blows, blunt force

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Speaker 1: trauma blows to Dylan's skull. I want you to take

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Speaker 1: a listen to our cut eleven Jacqueline Allen kmgh denver seven,

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Speaker 1: a former FBI profiler now writing a textbook on violent crime.

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Speaker 1: Pete Klismet says he has Mark Redwine's number. Is there

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Speaker 1: any doubt in your mind that Mark RedWine killed his son?

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Speaker 1: Laplata investigators hired has met in twenty fifteen to review

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Speaker 1: the evidence in the disappearance of Dylan RedWine. After three

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Speaker 1: months of digging, he says, the evidence pointed to one person.

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Speaker 1: I simply wanted to look at everything I could look

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Speaker 1: at and try to figure out who did this, and

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Speaker 1: it was in an inescapable conclusion that it was Mark.

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Speaker 1: Court records reveal investigators found Dylan Redwine's blood in his

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Speaker 1: father's living room, a cadaver dog alerted in that same room,

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Speaker 1: and in his truck. Most bizarre, the indictment says Dylan

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Speaker 1: had seen compromising photos of his father and planned to

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Speaker 1: confront him. Could that have caused Mark to go into

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Speaker 1: a rage with his son yelling at him? Perhaps it may.

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Speaker 1: Elaine Hall, missus Dylan's mom, did you have any idea

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Speaker 1: what was going on in your ex husband's mind? No?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, but that had been true for

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Speaker 1: years prior. So I had to trust Mark with Dylan

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Speaker 1: that it was something that I had to do. It was,

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Speaker 1: you know, not only a court order, but he was

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Speaker 1: his father. And you never want to think that you

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Speaker 1: married a man who could actually hurt his own child.

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Speaker 1: And those were the shoes I was in at that point.

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Speaker 1: I was blindsided by all of it because when he

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Speaker 1: went missing on the eighteenth and then what led up

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Speaker 1: after that, it opened my eyes to who Mark really was,

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Speaker 1: and it was it was not good. What else did

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Speaker 1: you learn, Elaine, Well, I mean, you know, he certainly

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Speaker 1: got anger issues. He blames everybody else for everything that's

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Speaker 1: ever happened. He you know, wants control of everything. And

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Speaker 1: when he lost the control when we got divorced, you know,

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Speaker 1: it was something he couldn't handle. And you know, we

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Speaker 1: were living our life and his life was so focused

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Speaker 1: on us and what I was doing wrong as a mother.

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Speaker 1: I mean the whole coach thing is a perfect example

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Speaker 1: of that, you know, blaming me for for Dylan not

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Speaker 1: having a coach. Dylan was thirteen years old, he had

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Speaker 1: a hoodie, he didn't wear coats often, and you know,

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Speaker 1: it just reminded me of everything that we had went

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Speaker 1: through because he had two other boys, and it was

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Speaker 1: the same game he played with his ex wife with

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Speaker 1: the two other boys, blaming everybody else or things that

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Speaker 1: he just refused to take to take blame for, and

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Speaker 1: not so much blame but accountability. There was no accountability.

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Speaker 1: He was evasive even the day the weekend that we

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Speaker 1: decided to have the search, the big search in June

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Speaker 1: where we found Dylan's remains. He was gone, he left

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Speaker 1: the day before, didn't even hang around for the search.

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Speaker 1: All of those things, you know, just made it solidified

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Speaker 1: my plight in justice for Dylan, knowing who had harmed

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Speaker 1: my son. I'm thinking through everything that you have just said,

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Speaker 1: and I'm curious. I know Dylan did not want to

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Speaker 1: go visit his dad. Why there was nothing to do

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Speaker 1: up there for Dylan. And no matter what anyone says,

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Speaker 1: Dylan did not play by the campground, He did not

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Speaker 1: play on the rock wall, he did not go by

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Speaker 1: the river, and he you know, his friends in Bayfield

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Speaker 1: were about forty five minutes away. He didn't take his

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Speaker 1: bike because his bike was still at Mark's house. He

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Speaker 1: did have self phone reception at Mark's house. There was

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Speaker 1: no issue of self phone reception. But Mark sat in

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Speaker 1: the house and basically, I you know, did nothing with Dylan,

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Speaker 1: and Dylan was miserable up there all by himself. So,

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Speaker 1: you know, march Is never engaged with Dylan. He never

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Speaker 1: took the time to take him out and do things

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Speaker 1: with them, and Dylan was miserable up there. And his

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Speaker 1: relationship with Mark had at that time become contentious because

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Speaker 1: of Mark's actions leading up to that. So they argued.

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Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying they argued? Did they argue

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Speaker 1: on the night of did they argue period? Did they

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Speaker 1: have an argumentative relationship? Well, I mean it was contentious.

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Speaker 1: I think I don't know if they argued. Well, why

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Speaker 1: do you say it was contentious because Dylan whenever Mark

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Speaker 1: Mark would call, which was very rare, you know, Dylan

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Speaker 1: was like, I don't want to talk to him. And

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Speaker 1: I was like why and He's like, because, Mom, he

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Speaker 1: says the same thing all the time. And Mark was

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Speaker 1: very critical of me and Corey, and Dylan did not

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Speaker 1: want to hear that, you know. He Dylan just wanted

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Speaker 1: to have peace in the family. He didn't want to

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Speaker 1: argue with it Dad, and we didn't want to argue

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Speaker 1: with us. And just as the family believes, there will

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Speaker 1: be justice for Dylan RedWine take a listen to km

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Speaker 1: gh Jenner. After years of waiting for the murder trial

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Speaker 1: of Mark RedWine to move forward, yet another delay probably

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Speaker 1: not going to happen till next year, Judge Raymond Wilson

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Speaker 1: declared a mistrial Monday, after defense attorneys that said they

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Speaker 1: were experiencing COVID symptoms, a trial that's already been delayed

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Speaker 1: due to the pandemic, and once more, after our defense

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Speaker 1: attorney was arrested for Dylan Redwine's family, it means another

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Speaker 1: drive home without answers. We rented a house down here,

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Speaker 1: taking time off work, you know, pretty much left our

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Speaker 1: lives to come down here and have this happen. And

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Speaker 1: you know, here we are again going home empty handed.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's just so frustrating to a Lane Hall.

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Speaker 1: This is Dylan's mother. So you finally get to trial,

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Speaker 1: and then the defense attorney's claimed that they're having OVID

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Speaker 1: nineteen symptoms, a mistrial was declared. How did that affect you?

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Speaker 1: So frustrating? The trial had been delayed eight times prior

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Speaker 1: to this. Mark got arrested in two thousand and fifteen,

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Speaker 1: and here we sit, or two thousand and seventeen. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: And here we sit in two thousand and twenty, and

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Speaker 1: we're you know, our lives are still on hold. Everybody

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Speaker 1: else has living their life. You know, Mark maybe living

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Speaker 1: his life in jail, but you know we were there

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Speaker 1: are There are no apologies there are no um rights

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Speaker 1: for victims who are undergoing something like this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the courts don't care about the time, the emotional, um

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Speaker 1: and mental drain that it is put on as the

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Speaker 1: financial drain that it is put on us um. You know,

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Speaker 1: they they want to um find every excuse under them

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Speaker 1: The defense wants to find every excuse under the sun

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Speaker 1: to not have this go forward. And it's just it's

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Speaker 1: beguiling to me. I just don't understand how we can

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Speaker 1: sit here three years, almost four years or later and

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Speaker 1: there's still no resolution. I mean, there really needs to

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Speaker 1: be some accountability from the courts, from the defense team,

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Speaker 1: from the judge on the rights of victims because they

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Speaker 1: have been violated many times throughout this whole trial or

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Speaker 1: throughout this whole process. To Laurence shar Fox twenty one,

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Speaker 1: what is the latest, Lauren? When will the case go forward? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So this trial is expected to last seven weeks and

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Speaker 1: the tentative trial date is January twenty fifth, twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: There will be a status conference January fifth to see

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Speaker 1: if the trial date is feasible. So, Troice Letton, how

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Speaker 1: badly do you think the defense attorneys are going to

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Speaker 1: fight to try to keep those photos of Mark RedWine

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Speaker 1: eating his own poop out of court. It seems like

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Speaker 1: it has nothing to do with the issue of whether

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Speaker 1: or not he had anything to do with the murder

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Speaker 1: of his son, just because, and it seems like that

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Speaker 1: they would just be used to inflame the passions and

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Speaker 1: prejudices of the jury, and any type of probitive value

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Speaker 1: is significantly outweighed by their prejudicial effect, a feeling, you'd

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Speaker 1: say admissible because according to investigators, they believe Dylan RedWine

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Speaker 1: saw those photos and was going to confront his dad,

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Speaker 1: or did confront him. We'll see what happens in court.

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Speaker 1: Justice delayed, but not justice denied yet. Nancy Grace Crime

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Speaker 1: Story signing off Goodbye friend,