1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 2: This week, Republican Senator jd Vance and Democrat Tim Waltz 3 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,919 Speaker 2: are squaring off in the first US vice presidential debate. 4 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 2: One hot button issue that could come under the spotlight 5 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: the Minnesota governor's deep ties to China. Limenhama Governor Tim 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: Walls here Happy Chinese New Year. 7 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 3: Tim Walls was in China as a young person at 8 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 3: a very formative time in his life. 9 00:00:35,600 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 2: Daniel ten Kate is Bloomberg's executive editor for Asia Economy 10 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: and Government based in Hong. 11 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: Kong, but started back in nineteen eighty nine. He graduated 12 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 3: from a state college in Nebraska, and then he headed 13 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 3: over to Hong Kong for a language training program. 14 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,320 Speaker 2: Waltz was in Hong Kong preparing to teach in mainland China, 15 00:00:55,920 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 2: but after China's military crushed pro democracy protests, leaving hundreds, 16 00:01:00,760 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 2: possibly thousands dead, many of his colleagues decided to go 17 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 2: home instead, but Walls went ahead. He said he felt 18 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 2: that for him it was more important than ever to 19 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:15,720 Speaker 2: go to China, and he called the deadly Tieneman Square 20 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 2: protests an unthinkable event and. 21 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,440 Speaker 3: That was kind of a shocking event. For him something 22 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 3: you definitely can forget. In fact, he got married on 23 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 3: June four to commemorate the Tiena anniversary. 24 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: Over the years, Walls continued to return to China on 25 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 2: trips that took him to different regions of the country. 26 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: He's often spoken fondly of his experiences in the country 27 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: and the people he met. 28 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,039 Speaker 3: He's actually said, if someone tells you that they're an 29 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 3: expert on China, they're probably not telling you the truth 30 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 3: because it's a complex country. 31 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: And his nomination comes at a critical point in US 32 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 2: China relations. 33 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: Took and JC really dangerous tracks or cash, whether that 34 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: be South China, see or Taiwan or cyber etc. So 35 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: it's really a very difficult time, very dangerous time. 36 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: That's Lee Chang, a political science professor at the University 37 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 2: of Hong Kong. He also spent nearly two decades in Washington, 38 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: d C. As a director and senior fellow at the 39 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 2: Brookings Institution's John L. Thornton China Center. 40 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: In Washington adamsphere. We you see China as a major threat. 41 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: It's a matter of war and a peace with a 42 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 1: political leader in that position, whether China is an anime 43 00:02:31,000 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 1: or friend or partner or competitor. No matter what you 44 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: categorize China, it is very important to selve American interest 45 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,800 Speaker 1: to understand the Chinese philosophy. 46 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: Is welcome to The Big Take Asia from Bloomberg News. 47 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 2: I'm Wanha. Every week we take you inside some of 48 00:02:50,080 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 2: the world's biggest and most powerful economies and the markets, 49 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: haycoons and businesses that drive this ever shifting region. Today. 50 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 2: On the show, Tim Walls's long history with China, how 51 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 2: that could influence his stance on foreign policy and if 52 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 2: the Democrats win the election, would Walls's connections to China 53 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: be an asset or liability? Okay, Dan, So, Tim Walls 54 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 2: first visited China in nineteen eighty nine, just fresh out 55 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 2: of college. Give us a picture of China at that time. 56 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 3: It certainly was a much poorer China. China that was 57 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 3: just emerging in the world. This was recovering from years 58 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 3: of isolation still from mal Zedong. When Doung Jhoping took 59 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 3: over and instituted a bunch of reforms, that's when the 60 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 3: economy really started going. So Tim Walls actually saw that 61 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:50,880 Speaker 3: from the very get go when he arrived in Hong 62 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 3: Kong in nineteen eighty nine, China was still not opened 63 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 3: in the way that we've seen. 64 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,320 Speaker 2: After his language training program in Hong Kong, Waltz went 65 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 2: on to teach English and American history at a high 66 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: school in Foshan that's in Guangdong Province in southern China, 67 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 2: not far from Hong Kong. Walls said he was given 68 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 2: the royal treatment at the Chinese school. His decorated apartment 69 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 2: had a color TV and a short wave radio, luxuries 70 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 2: at the time. He was paid six hundred and fifty 71 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 2: n or eighty dollars a month, which was double the 72 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:24,799 Speaker 2: salary of other teachers, and he left a good impression. 73 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 3: Yeah. The reporting there shows that Walls was known to 74 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 3: teachers and students by Cantonese transliteration of his first name. 75 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 3: He was very well liked, according to people there. He 76 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 3: was treated like a celebrity. Left a good impression on everyone. 77 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 3: In fact, people remembered him for his big smile. 78 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 2: He must have stood out. I mean, back then in 79 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:49,839 Speaker 2: nineteen eighty nine, you probably didn't see too many white 80 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: men around in southern China. 81 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, I mean, by all means he stood out. 82 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:58,599 Speaker 3: He's a tall guy anyway, big, tall, midwestern white guy 83 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,919 Speaker 3: showing up in southern China, and by all accounts, he 84 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:06,240 Speaker 3: had a real appreciation for his students and they enjoyed 85 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 3: having him around. And the proof is probably that he 86 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 3: went back over and over again. 87 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 2: Walls finished his teaching in Guangdong Province the next year, 88 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:18,040 Speaker 2: and in the following years he traveled to China frequently. 89 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 3: He really went out and about. He wanted to explore China, 90 00:05:22,839 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 3: and he was doing it the way that the locals 91 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 3: would do it. He was taking the train, he was 92 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 3: riding the buses. He was spending about a dollar a 93 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 3: day going to local places to eat and interacting with 94 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 3: just regular folks on the ground. This was a guy. 95 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 3: He was into it. He was zoning it. He was 96 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,640 Speaker 3: really trying to see it from the ground up. And 97 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,159 Speaker 3: I think that has to leave an impression on you. 98 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: Later, Walls and his wife, Glenn Walls, founded a company 99 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 2: which organized summer excursions to China for American high school students. 100 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 3: He wanted to bring other students over to China to 101 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 3: have the same experience that he and then he spent 102 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 3: his honeymoon with a bunch of high school kids in 103 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 3: southern China, taking them over on a trip that was 104 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 3: his actual honeymoon. 105 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: Super romantic. I'm sure his wife was delighted. 106 00:06:11,920 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: She must have been What more commitment do you need 107 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 3: than that? 108 00:06:15,440 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's very true. Now, how do you think that 109 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: experience of traveling across China like a local shape his 110 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:23,920 Speaker 2: understanding of China. 111 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 3: I think what it does is it helps you to 112 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:30,719 Speaker 3: really know the place on a ground level. And there's 113 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 3: so much in Washington today that we hear people talking 114 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 3: about China who have never been to China and who 115 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 3: don't know China. So he understands, and I think that's 116 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 3: what living there, going there so often, traveling around you're 117 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 3: not looking at the caricature of China. And I think 118 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 3: this shows, you know, you got to think about Chijiping himself. 119 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:54,440 Speaker 3: He spent time in the US in Iowa as a 120 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 3: young person and got to know the American people on 121 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,240 Speaker 3: that level, and so in some ways Tim Wall's had 122 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 3: the same experience, and the importance of that is crucial 123 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,599 Speaker 3: when it comes to policy, particularly if you think about 124 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 3: a war. For instance, these are the world's two biggest powers. 125 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 3: You have a flashpoint in Taiwan when Nancy Pelosi went 126 00:07:13,680 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 3: over to Taipei a couple of years ago. There were 127 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:19,640 Speaker 3: some real scary moments there where you had people on 128 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 3: Chinese social media saying they should shoot a plane down. 129 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 3: There's this real sense that eventually China and the US 130 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: could be heading towards some sort of military conflict at 131 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 3: some point, not imminently, but at some point, and so 132 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: that makes it all the more important for the leaders 133 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 3: of these two countries to actually know what it's like 134 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 3: to live in those places, to know the people on 135 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 3: the ground. 136 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 2: After the break. How would Waltz's extensive personal experience in 137 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,880 Speaker 2: China translate into policy and the impact on already front 138 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,600 Speaker 2: US China relations. If Democrats take the White House. 139 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,040 Speaker 1: Some people in the US Congress, will Republicans think that 140 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: that you have connection with China, you're doing business of China, 141 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: you may be brandwashiped by China. 142 00:08:16,800 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 2: So far, the Harris Walls campaign has made little mention 143 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 2: of his experience in China, and they've yet to lay 144 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,360 Speaker 2: out how Harris or Walts would handle China policies. But 145 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 2: throughout his career, Wals has regularly criticized China's human rights record. 146 00:08:33,520 --> 00:08:36,199 Speaker 3: He's been a big advocate of human rights and democracy 147 00:08:36,240 --> 00:08:40,200 Speaker 3: in China. In twenty sixteen, for example, he had what 148 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 3: he called a quote life changing lunch with the Dalai 149 00:08:43,480 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 3: Lama on Hong Kong two. Walls has also been quite 150 00:08:47,160 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: a big advocate. He was the only House Democrat willing 151 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 3: to support the Hong Kong Human Rights and Democracy Act 152 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 3: of twenty seventeen. Activists from Hong Kong were saying, back 153 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: in those days, they were knocking on doors making support 154 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 3: for this law, and no one was really joining in. 155 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:10,280 Speaker 3: And then lo and behold, they go to Walls and 156 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 3: there's Joshua Wang, this iconic Hong Kong activists who's taking 157 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 3: on the big powers in Beijing. And he's there and 158 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:23,559 Speaker 3: Wallster starts talking to him, and he's just blown away 159 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,240 Speaker 3: by how much Walls knows. 160 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 2: Wals has also sponsored numerous resolutions that condemned China's killings 161 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 2: in tanem And Square and support Chinese activists and lawyers. 162 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:38,319 Speaker 2: But despite his consistent advocacy for political freedom and human 163 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: rights in China, Walsa said he's not necessarily a China hawk. 164 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:46,839 Speaker 1: He is not like some other power politic who he 165 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:52,920 Speaker 1: to want them to decouple with China. He strongly believes engagement. 166 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 2: That's Professor Lee of the University of Hong Kong. Again, 167 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,680 Speaker 2: he says Walts's approach to China is very much aligned 168 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 2: with the the rest of the Democratic Party. 169 00:10:01,960 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: Harris and the Biden Harris administration also does not want 170 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: to have completely couple and they also want to emphasize 171 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:16,199 Speaker 1: culture and education exchanges. Tim was probably will continue to 172 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:20,359 Speaker 1: put the human rights the issues, but the Democrats politician 173 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: no one talked about regime change. This is not their agenda, right, 174 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: They do discuss about the issue about the human rights, 175 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: monor to rights, shinjiag and etc. So I think in 176 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 1: that regard Tiam was also fitted in very well. He 177 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: probably will continue to be critical, but it will be 178 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:42,840 Speaker 1: rational not to go too far and another jeopardize the 179 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: whole thing. 180 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,440 Speaker 2: Whilst his time in China also seems to have earned 181 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 2: him more respect there. 182 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: One of the issues in your general relations may not 183 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: be the ideological differences or the conflict interest, but the 184 00:10:55,280 --> 00:11:00,320 Speaker 1: misunderstanding miscalculation. This is particularly by the people who have 185 00:11:00,400 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: no ideas about other kanji, the way of thinking, or 186 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 1: some of the basic knowledge. So Tim is the right 187 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 1: person to avoid these kind of things. So I think 188 00:11:10,559 --> 00:11:14,360 Speaker 1: not only Chinese public, but also Chinese leaders are willing 189 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:17,600 Speaker 1: to deal with this kind of more knowledgeable people. 190 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:21,720 Speaker 2: The professor, do you think Americans view of Tim Walls's 191 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 2: knowledge of China and his connection to the country. Would 192 00:11:24,800 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 2: they view it as an asset or a liability? 193 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: Some people in the US Congress or particular Republicans think 194 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 1: that you have connection with China, you're doing business with China. 195 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: You may be brainwashed by China. Also, sadly, some people 196 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: just claim that they are the best people to deal 197 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 1: with China because they have no experience with China, never 198 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 1: being China. May they have study language and have no 199 00:11:45,920 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 1: knowledge of China, that's the qualification. Now, I ciddly think 200 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: that expertise knowledge is an asset for American political leader. 201 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,320 Speaker 1: You again, I said that even China is the enemy, 202 00:11:57,640 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: you should studied. You should know better measure about your friend, 203 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,679 Speaker 1: how to get along with, how to impooor relationship. 204 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:08,520 Speaker 2: For now, that relationship remains tense with the world's two 205 00:12:08,679 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: biggest superpowers wrestling over issues from Taiwan to trade to technology. 206 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 3: I think US politicians in general are wary of China. 207 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 3: They don't trust China in particular, and they want to 208 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 3: make sure that America stays ahead of China and has 209 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 3: an edge on China. 210 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:29,000 Speaker 2: Here's Bloomberg's Dan ten Kate again. 211 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:34,199 Speaker 3: So Kamala Harris and Timols really believe that America should 212 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 3: stay one step ahead of China, particularly with that vanced technology. 213 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 3: So that means blocking China's access to high end semiconductors, 214 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:47,319 Speaker 3: high end chips that can be used for AI, certain biotech, 215 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,840 Speaker 3: clean energy. These are the things that they want the 216 00:12:50,960 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 3: US to maintain an edge on. And that's, you know, 217 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 3: for simple reasons. If they do go to war, they 218 00:12:56,240 --> 00:13:00,280 Speaker 3: don't want American technology used against them. That's the sic 219 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 3: premise of that. They do believe, however, that there should 220 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 3: be trade, and I think where they think Trump goes 221 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 3: too far is with the tariffs. Trump's threatening a sixty 222 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: percent tariff on China right now. It'll be interesting what 223 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 3: Tim Walls says in the debate, but Kamala Harris was 224 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 3: saying that likening that to Trump tax on the American 225 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 3: people and raising the quest of goods there. 226 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:27,959 Speaker 2: Now, Dan khud Walls's experience in China helps smooth the 227 00:13:28,040 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: relations between Washington and Beijing. 228 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,720 Speaker 3: It certainly can't hurt right the problem in all of 229 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 3: this is that in Washington, DC right now, it doesn't 230 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 3: pay politically to say anything nice about China, even if 231 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 3: he wants to say nice things about China. If he does, 232 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:46,559 Speaker 3: he's going to get brutally attacked by the Republicans and 233 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 3: they're going to pounce on anything he has to say. 234 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 3: That said, if he does get the vice presidency and 235 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris becomes president, that experience that he has can 236 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:00,280 Speaker 3: certainly play a role. We know when people get into 237 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 3: power that they have much more flexibility than when they're 238 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,360 Speaker 3: in the campaign period. So we probably just haven't seen 239 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 3: and we probably won't hear really what he thinks about 240 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 3: China until he's actually in the office. 241 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:22,000 Speaker 2: This is The Big Take Asia from Bloomberg News. 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