WEBVTT - 8. AKA Fugitive 0:00:15.036 --> 0:00:22.036 Pushkin Hey, Lost Hills listeners, it's Dana. I wanted to 0:00:22.076 --> 0:00:24.196 let you know that you can hear the entire new 0:00:24.236 --> 0:00:27.596 season of Lost Hill's ad free, along with other great 0:00:27.596 --> 0:00:31.836 binge listens by becoming a Pushkin Plus subscriber. Find Pushkin 0:00:31.916 --> 0:00:35.156 Plus on the Lost Hills Show page in Apple Podcasts 0:00:35.316 --> 0:00:42.716 or at pushkin dot fm slash Plus. 0:00:42.756 --> 0:00:46.116 Nearly twenty five years ago, Diner's Club introduced the first 0:00:46.116 --> 0:00:51.476 executive credit card. Today around the world, Diner's Club is 0:00:51.516 --> 0:00:52.716 still the first card. 0:00:53.796 --> 0:00:54.196 We're on it. 0:00:54.876 --> 0:00:58.476 In the nineteen seventies, the accessory to a life of luxury, 0:00:58.596 --> 0:01:03.156 travel and access was the Diner's Club card. At least 0:01:03.196 --> 0:01:08.276 if you believe it's advertisements, you've got off outsign writing service. 0:01:08.596 --> 0:01:12.716 You'll spend love money without getting nervous. It's easy to 0:01:12.756 --> 0:01:15.356 spot a member of the club. Last year, Diner's Club 0:01:15.356 --> 0:01:18.236 members had over ten million fine meals, took over five 0:01:18.316 --> 0:01:22.116 hundred thousand vacations, and save it many helpings of chop suey. 0:01:22.716 --> 0:01:25.236 That was the kind of life that Mickey Dora wanted 0:01:25.796 --> 0:01:29.676 and felt he deserved. 0:01:27.516 --> 0:01:34.236 I don't see a Diner's Club member. If you want 0:01:34.276 --> 0:01:37.196 to be one, call eight hundred five, two, five, seven thousand. 0:01:40.396 --> 0:01:42.836 Back in the late fifties, Mickey had applied for a 0:01:42.876 --> 0:01:46.716 diner's club card. He studied a book called Credit Cardsmanship 0:01:47.036 --> 0:01:50.276 about how to builk credit card companies and reap the rewards. 0:01:51.316 --> 0:01:54.276 With the world a wash in plastic, it was almost 0:01:54.316 --> 0:01:57.796 too easy to take out a bunch of cards, spend freely, 0:01:58.076 --> 0:02:03.396 and split for a new life far far away. By 0:02:03.436 --> 0:02:06.796 the early seventies, Mickey had set his sights on New 0:02:06.876 --> 0:02:10.156 Zealand that would be a good place to sit out 0:02:10.196 --> 0:02:14.716 World War III. Visiting New Zealand, he wrote to Linda 0:02:14.836 --> 0:02:18.836 kai quote, I found it the perfect place for our 0:02:18.876 --> 0:02:22.996 future together. Finally, a peaceful country to live in, friendly 0:02:23.076 --> 0:02:29.836 people and good surf. I love you, Mickey. The only 0:02:29.876 --> 0:02:34.996 problem was he was in New Zealand with his other girlfriend, Marcia, 0:02:35.876 --> 0:02:38.796 and Linda back at home in Los Angeles had taken 0:02:38.876 --> 0:02:44.356 up with someone else, and not just anyone. Mickey's rival, 0:02:45.236 --> 0:02:49.436 who is an even more flamboyant con artist than Mickey was. 0:02:52.236 --> 0:03:22.956 I'm Dana Goodyear and this is Lost Hills episode eight 0:03:23.836 --> 0:03:35.476 aka Fugitive Oh Nda, Hi, No it's not, Linda. 0:03:35.876 --> 0:03:36.676 I just work here. 0:03:37.716 --> 0:03:41.076 You're kidding me, because I here I'm data good here. 0:03:42.876 --> 0:03:43.796 You guys are late. 0:03:44.156 --> 0:03:48.156 Sorry. Linda Kai is in her seventies now. She's married 0:03:48.676 --> 0:03:51.196 to a surfer, of course, and lives in a cute 0:03:51.196 --> 0:03:54.236 mobile home ten minutes from the ocean in Ventura County. 0:03:55.516 --> 0:03:59.996 Oh yeah, yeah, I thought we couldn't paintings. They're online. 0:04:00.356 --> 0:04:00.876 You made these? 0:04:01.036 --> 0:04:04.796 Yeah, wow, yeah, I just finished this one. This is 0:04:04.836 --> 0:04:08.036 my friend's dog that we watch all the time. We 0:04:08.116 --> 0:04:10.396 babysit her when they go out on their boat, and 0:04:10.676 --> 0:04:12.036 she's a wonderful. 0:04:12.036 --> 0:04:15.076 Oh my god, she's an artist. Her place is full 0:04:15.116 --> 0:04:20.636 of her paintings, mostly surf breaks, but there are also photographs, 0:04:21.036 --> 0:04:23.916 including one of Linda in her twenties in a camber 0:04:24.036 --> 0:04:27.956 van somewhere in the world. Her dirty blonde hair is 0:04:28.036 --> 0:04:30.956 pulled into a thick braid and there's a hard look 0:04:30.956 --> 0:04:35.116 in her eye. Back when Linda met Mickey Dora, she'd 0:04:35.156 --> 0:04:37.996 been twenty two, living on her own in a VW 0:04:38.116 --> 0:04:43.636 van at the beach. Mickey was thirty seven, just like 0:04:43.716 --> 0:04:47.076 Diane before her. When she was young and innocent and 0:04:47.156 --> 0:04:51.356 Mickey was a full on adult. Linda was Mickey's little secret. 0:04:52.556 --> 0:04:54.756 He gave her a key to his house on Gretna 0:04:54.796 --> 0:04:58.636 Green and Brentwood. The lair filled with strange treasures and 0:04:58.756 --> 0:05:03.076 used airline tickets, suggesting a jet setting world traveler. But 0:05:03.156 --> 0:05:06.356 he didn't take her out with his friends, and often 0:05:06.916 --> 0:05:11.396 Mickey spent the night elsewhere, and sometimes Linda did too. 0:05:12.676 --> 0:05:16.876 There's another wrangler in this mix, Don Wilson, who set 0:05:16.956 --> 0:05:19.676 the thing alight. Now, if it wasn't for this other 0:05:19.716 --> 0:05:22.996 care this is not all about Mickey, because Don jumps 0:05:23.036 --> 0:05:27.876 into the fray, and you know, things get nasty. 0:05:28.996 --> 0:05:32.076 In twenty fifteen, Linda published a book about her adventures. 0:05:32.436 --> 0:05:36.156 She called it The surf Sting Travels with Mickey, Dora 0:05:36.476 --> 0:05:42.236 the Cat and Don Wilson. Pirate Captain Don Wilson was 0:05:42.276 --> 0:05:45.916 another Malibu surfer. Don and Mickey had been friends and 0:05:45.956 --> 0:05:47.756 then they'd become enemies. 0:05:48.876 --> 0:05:50.916 I didn't know it at the down, but those two 0:05:51.316 --> 0:05:53.476 had a big fall out at Malibu at one time 0:05:53.996 --> 0:05:56.396 because Mickey hated Don because you would show up in 0:05:56.436 --> 0:06:00.236 pink Cadillacts and fill his car full of girls and 0:06:00.276 --> 0:06:00.956 go drive off. 0:06:02.716 --> 0:06:04.876 Linda happened to meet Don at a time when she 0:06:04.956 --> 0:06:07.676 and Nicky were temporarily split up. 0:06:09.516 --> 0:06:13.036 Don Wilson came along when Nicky kind of threw me 0:06:13.076 --> 0:06:17.196 out of the apartment. I was at the beach at 0:06:17.276 --> 0:06:20.036 State Beach Lane in the sand, just kind of like 0:06:20.276 --> 0:06:22.756 I'm not really I'm a mass now, you know. I 0:06:22.796 --> 0:06:27.436 blew it. And I heard two guys sitting next to me, 0:06:27.796 --> 0:06:29.676 kind of a little bit further over, a couple of 0:06:29.716 --> 0:06:30.716 towels over. You know. 0:06:32.716 --> 0:06:35.316 These two guys were talking about a friend of Linda's. 0:06:35.876 --> 0:06:38.596 So Linda piped up and. 0:06:38.556 --> 0:06:40.796 They both looked over at me. That was Don Wilson. 0:06:41.756 --> 0:06:44.836 And they looked over at me and they said with 0:06:44.956 --> 0:06:47.116 the hell the hell are you? You know like, and 0:06:47.156 --> 0:06:49.036 I said, oh, it was Mickey's girlfriend, you know. And 0:06:49.516 --> 0:06:52.236 boy Don's had come up with the sand like this, 0:06:52.436 --> 0:06:56.036 you know, like what and he says, hey, he says, 0:06:56.076 --> 0:06:59.036 I'm having a barbecue tonight. He says, come on up, 0:07:00.156 --> 0:07:00.996 And there it was. 0:07:01.076 --> 0:07:02.836 I went up to the barbecue. 0:07:02.436 --> 0:07:09.916 And Don Wilson, aka the Pirate Captain. And why was 0:07:09.956 --> 0:07:10.956 he called the Pirate Captain? 0:07:12.196 --> 0:07:15.796 Well, I should be obvious he was a thief. 0:07:18.916 --> 0:07:21.076 For much of the decade that Linda was with Mickey, 0:07:21.236 --> 0:07:25.636 she was also intermittently with the Pirate Captain. She even 0:07:25.676 --> 0:07:28.996 married Don at one point for a year playing type 0:07:28.996 --> 0:07:32.756 of war over Linda. The two men became sworn enemies. 0:07:33.556 --> 0:07:37.196 Don was complete opposite of Mickey. Mickey was dark haired 0:07:37.476 --> 0:07:43.476 and dark handsome, this heavy, heavy, hungarian darkness, beautiful, you know. 0:07:44.476 --> 0:07:51.556 Don was Scottish, fair skinned, blue eyes, and white white hair, 0:07:52.516 --> 0:07:57.436 not gray but really white. Now. Don was not the 0:07:57.476 --> 0:08:00.876 better surfer, but Don was the better talker. 0:08:02.796 --> 0:08:06.916 But in some respects, Linda's two boyfriends were incredibly alike. 0:08:07.516 --> 0:08:10.316 They were both con men. Don had even been to 0:08:10.436 --> 0:08:12.596 prison for his schemes. 0:08:13.476 --> 0:08:16.876 He was a famous rubber check writer. I heard a 0:08:16.916 --> 0:08:20.196 story where he invited everybody to a big party in 0:08:20.236 --> 0:08:23.636 a big, fancy restaurant and then wrote a big, big 0:08:23.716 --> 0:08:26.836 check to the waiter. And then, evidently I heard that 0:08:26.916 --> 0:08:28.876 the waiter ran out right away and put a down 0:08:28.876 --> 0:08:31.916 payment on a car. I say, wow, you know, but 0:08:31.996 --> 0:08:34.436 then nothing was paid for. 0:08:34.396 --> 0:08:35.276 It just bounced. 0:08:36.636 --> 0:08:40.036 Don come from a very wealthy family in Palisades. His 0:08:40.236 --> 0:08:44.956 dad owned most of Santa Monica and Montana Boulevard where 0:08:44.996 --> 0:08:47.796 all the boutiques are. And I think Mickey hated this 0:08:49.076 --> 0:08:52.476 because I think Mickey's dad was very wealthy also. But 0:08:52.556 --> 0:08:57.276 Mickey had no chance to touch any of the money. 0:08:59.516 --> 0:09:04.196 And Linda. The pirate captain saw an opportunity to mess 0:09:04.356 --> 0:09:11.236 with the cat. So when you meet Don, the thing 0:09:11.316 --> 0:09:14.276 that gets his attention is that you say, oh, I'm 0:09:14.636 --> 0:09:15.316 Mickey's ex. 0:09:15.716 --> 0:09:19.676 Yes, Dad, da da da, Here comes the bugles and horns. 0:09:20.396 --> 0:09:21.756 He goes, this is going to work. 0:09:24.756 --> 0:09:28.276 In nineteen seventy two, Mickey was still stringing Linda along 0:09:28.316 --> 0:09:31.316 about going to New Zealand. He was spending a lot 0:09:31.316 --> 0:09:34.916 of time traveling with his other girlfriend, a non surfer 0:09:35.116 --> 0:09:39.356 named Marcia. She was the heiress to a gold mine fortune. 0:09:40.716 --> 0:09:43.396 In her book, Linda writes that while she was waiting 0:09:43.396 --> 0:09:46.996 on Mickey, Don was arrested for writing bad checks. He 0:09:47.116 --> 0:09:51.276 jumped bail and fled to Mexico. From there, Don flew 0:09:51.356 --> 0:09:55.876 to Tahiti and told Linda to meet him. Linda had 0:09:55.916 --> 0:09:58.996 turned Don on to Mickey's book about credit card fraud, 0:09:59.676 --> 0:10:02.356 so with a bunch of new plastic they went on 0:10:02.596 --> 0:10:03.396 a world tour. 0:10:04.756 --> 0:10:07.396 Don was a champion on this because you could tell 0:10:07.516 --> 0:10:10.756 Mickey flailed a bit. You know, he was just a 0:10:10.756 --> 0:10:14.356 bit nervous. You know, it wasn't really like good. But 0:10:14.436 --> 0:10:16.156 with Don, he was a champion. You know, it was 0:10:16.236 --> 0:10:19.556 just like, come on, you know, let's. 0:10:18.756 --> 0:10:20.716 Do this, do this, you know, let's get this going. 0:10:22.436 --> 0:10:26.556 Traveling with Don, Linda doctored credit cards, license plates, and 0:10:26.596 --> 0:10:30.916 government documents. But when Linda and Don got back to California, 0:10:31.436 --> 0:10:34.836 Linda fell in with Mickey again. She and Don parted 0:10:34.876 --> 0:10:38.316 ways and she didn't hear from him until one day 0:10:38.476 --> 0:10:40.996 she went to her parents' house in the valley and 0:10:41.036 --> 0:10:44.916 there was a letter from him from prison. When she 0:10:45.076 --> 0:10:49.316 visited Don, she says he blamed Mickey for his arrest. 0:10:50.676 --> 0:10:53.556 This whole story, I got to tell you right now, 0:10:54.076 --> 0:10:56.516 was never about love. 0:10:56.916 --> 0:10:57.156 Now. 0:10:57.196 --> 0:11:01.236 I might have thought so, being young and naiven stupid, 0:11:01.516 --> 0:11:03.956 but this was never about love. This is never about like, oh, 0:11:03.996 --> 0:11:06.996 Mickey's gonna overpower me with his love, or Don's going 0:11:07.036 --> 0:11:09.316 to love me and romance me and you know, take 0:11:09.356 --> 0:11:10.116 me away. 0:11:10.316 --> 0:11:12.596 This was about rivalry. 0:11:14.316 --> 0:11:15.036 And you were upon. 0:11:15.196 --> 0:11:16.796 I was the middle. I was the fox. 0:11:18.556 --> 0:11:21.196 You know, here's the two guys running out into the woods. 0:11:22.756 --> 0:11:24.476 I didn't know it then, Uh. 0:11:24.796 --> 0:11:27.916 I was kind of caught up too close and enjoying 0:11:28.076 --> 0:11:32.116 some of it, you know, let travel and enjoying the attention. 0:11:32.716 --> 0:11:35.516 But I thought it was about love periodically, and I'd 0:11:35.556 --> 0:11:38.596 break down. 0:11:38.956 --> 0:11:41.996 With Don out of the way in prison, the path 0:11:42.196 --> 0:11:46.596 was clear for Mickey and Linda, and Linda had some 0:11:46.756 --> 0:11:48.636 new skills in her repertoire. 0:11:50.556 --> 0:11:52.916 I was a valuable asset, you know, to have. 0:11:54.076 --> 0:11:57.876 So you'd been traveling around the world with Don Wilson, 0:11:57.956 --> 0:12:02.756 the pirate captain, doing these kinds of schemes with him. Yes, 0:12:02.876 --> 0:12:05.836 And Mickey knows you're trained up by Don. Yes, and 0:12:05.876 --> 0:12:07.236 now you know how to do this stuff. 0:12:07.316 --> 0:12:12.836 Yes, yes, oh yes. 0:12:14.636 --> 0:12:19.276 After years of talking about the decline of Malibu, of California, 0:12:19.676 --> 0:12:23.356 of the entire country, Mickey was finally going to leave. 0:12:25.036 --> 0:12:28.636 I really feel the Americans or something has happened to them, 0:12:28.636 --> 0:12:32.636 but they've become barbaristic, barbaristic, and I'm sure that's the term, 0:12:32.716 --> 0:12:36.356 but I think we're having a nervous breakout in this country. 0:12:37.036 --> 0:12:39.036 I don't want to spell it out for you, but 0:12:39.276 --> 0:12:45.596 it is difficult to live to surrounding a middle class, 0:12:45.636 --> 0:12:47.676 mediocre beach and wade. 0:12:48.996 --> 0:12:51.556 That's Mickey in an interview he gave for the nineteen 0:12:51.596 --> 0:12:56.596 seventy film Placific Vibrations. The golden days of Malibu were over. 0:12:56.796 --> 0:12:59.316 According to Mickey, he was going to see if he 0:12:59.316 --> 0:13:02.036 could recreate them somewhere else. 0:13:03.196 --> 0:13:05.196 No evolution, was it all going? Was it coming to 0:13:05.236 --> 0:13:10.116 an end? Or is it just beginning? When the one 0:13:10.196 --> 0:13:16.076 fellow gold Malibu quite well at a certain time in history. 0:13:16.116 --> 0:13:19.236 And I doubt if few people who are able to 0:13:19.436 --> 0:13:24.236 find these type of conditions again through crowds and controls 0:13:24.276 --> 0:13:29.396 and much bureaucracy. But there are other areas which are magnificent. 0:13:29.436 --> 0:13:30.756 The are treasures in this world. 0:13:33.116 --> 0:13:38.516 So long Malibu Mickey's exile was finally about to begin. 0:13:53.676 --> 0:13:57.396 In October of nineteen seventy four, a man named Richard 0:13:57.476 --> 0:14:01.876 Austin Roche Junior applied for a new passport in Los Angeles. 0:14:02.316 --> 0:14:05.236 He submitted a photograph of himself wearing a sport coat 0:14:05.316 --> 0:14:09.036 and tie. Roche was a surfer friend of Mickey Dora's. 0:14:09.556 --> 0:14:13.196 He was in the business of building tennis courts. But 0:14:13.276 --> 0:14:17.556 the passport office flagged the application and didn't issue the document. 0:14:18.876 --> 0:14:23.516 That's because eighteen months earlier, Richard Austin Roach Junior had 0:14:23.596 --> 0:14:28.716 driven his car into a trash truck and died. And 0:14:28.756 --> 0:14:31.956 as the FBI discovered later, the person in the passport 0:14:32.036 --> 0:14:37.156 photo submitted with the application was Mickey Dora. When that 0:14:37.196 --> 0:14:40.676 passport application got flagged, the FBI set up a sting, 0:14:41.316 --> 0:14:45.236 dropping off a registered letter for Richard Austin Roach Junior 0:14:45.476 --> 0:14:49.356 at the address provided, but no one was there to 0:14:49.436 --> 0:14:55.316 sign for it. So why did Mickey leave. 0:14:55.156 --> 0:15:03.596 Malibu crowds Adventure? Was he also on the run? Probably? 0:15:03.796 --> 0:15:04.436 Yeah? That good. 0:15:04.556 --> 0:15:06.036 Yeah. 0:15:06.396 --> 0:15:09.316 About eighteen months before he left Malibu, Mickey he had 0:15:09.316 --> 0:15:14.636 been arrested for stealing ski equipment. In January nineteen seventy three, 0:15:14.876 --> 0:15:17.476 Mickey went on a ski weekend with some surfer friends. 0:15:17.996 --> 0:15:20.676 They went to Mammoth that same ski mountain he took 0:15:20.716 --> 0:15:24.556 Gidget to back in the fifties. Mickey bought four hundred 0:15:24.556 --> 0:15:27.236 and one dollars in eighty nine cents worth of equipment 0:15:27.316 --> 0:15:30.316 and services. He paid by check made out to the 0:15:30.356 --> 0:15:34.476 Mammoth Mountain ski area. Mickey had adequate funds in his 0:15:34.516 --> 0:15:37.476 account to cover the check, but claiming that the check 0:15:37.516 --> 0:15:40.476 had been lost, Mickey put a stop on it and 0:15:40.556 --> 0:15:45.396 apparently kept the equipment. He was charged with felony fraud 0:15:45.636 --> 0:15:50.316 in rural Mono County, some three hundred miles north of Malibu. 0:15:50.396 --> 0:15:54.196 He was found guilty and put on probation. While his 0:15:54.316 --> 0:15:57.276 case was being processed, Mickey had packed up the house 0:15:57.316 --> 0:16:01.316 on Gretna Green, stuffing all his belongings into a VW van. 0:16:03.396 --> 0:16:07.196 For years, Mickey had been decrying the desecration of Malibu, 0:16:07.876 --> 0:16:10.996 talking about finding some place quiet and clean where he 0:16:10.996 --> 0:16:15.476 could lie low. He was shipping all his possessions to 0:16:15.556 --> 0:16:20.116 New Zealand, probation or no probation. Good luck to the 0:16:20.156 --> 0:16:22.556 Mono County Sheriff's Department finding him there. 0:16:24.716 --> 0:16:27.396 He was packing up a van to ship over there. 0:16:28.876 --> 0:16:30.836 What was he plating in the van? Everything? 0:16:31.796 --> 0:16:35.556 Clothes, all his antiques, tiger skins, tiger skins. 0:16:35.636 --> 0:16:37.596 Yeah, the whole show. Everything was going in. 0:16:39.156 --> 0:16:42.756 Mickey had invited Linda to New Zealand, but it also 0:16:42.836 --> 0:16:46.516 invited Marcia, the non surfing heiress, and on the day 0:16:46.556 --> 0:16:50.676 he was packing up, Marcia was there helping him. Linda 0:16:50.796 --> 0:16:52.876 was there too, strategizing. 0:16:54.716 --> 0:16:57.436 My mind was working overtime as to what to say 0:16:57.476 --> 0:17:00.356 to get him to not do it. With Marcia, I 0:17:00.436 --> 0:17:03.076 had a couple of long talks with them by myself, 0:17:03.156 --> 0:17:05.196 and I said, you go to New Zealand with her. 0:17:05.396 --> 0:17:07.436 I said, you are not. You could be waiting on 0:17:07.476 --> 0:17:10.036 her hand and foot. He's got loads of money. 0:17:10.716 --> 0:17:12.476 She's going to be. 0:17:12.236 --> 0:17:15.596 One to shop. You'll be wanting to surf. I said, 0:17:15.836 --> 0:17:17.996 down there, there'd be nobody around. I said, who's going 0:17:18.036 --> 0:17:20.996 to be your friend to go surfing with? I said, 0:17:20.996 --> 0:17:21.276 that's me. 0:17:23.516 --> 0:17:28.036 But he didn't take Linda. Mickey left La with Marcia 0:17:28.356 --> 0:17:32.596 and they didn't go to New Zealand. A few months later, 0:17:32.956 --> 0:17:36.036 Mickey told Linda to meet him in Switzerland. This was 0:17:36.076 --> 0:17:37.916 in January of nineteen seventy five. 0:17:39.196 --> 0:17:42.636 He summonsed me in Zurich. Marcia was going to leave. 0:17:42.796 --> 0:17:45.396 She was going to I think Greece. That was the 0:17:45.436 --> 0:17:48.276 split up. Then we continued right on to New Zealand. 0:17:49.436 --> 0:17:54.876 On the way to New Zealand, they went to London, Athens, Cairo, Istanbul, Beirut, 0:17:55.116 --> 0:17:59.596 New Delhi, Gawa, Sri Lanka and Sydney. They looked for 0:17:59.716 --> 0:18:03.876 surf antiques and rugs along the way. Linda had a 0:18:03.956 --> 0:18:08.756 job to alter Mickey's Diners Club card. She already knew how. 0:18:10.596 --> 0:18:14.436 I was assigned to take a little razor blade and 0:18:15.116 --> 0:18:20.516 change some numbers, and we did and make it good 0:18:20.516 --> 0:18:24.116 for another month. Because the way it worked back then, 0:18:24.396 --> 0:18:27.436 these credit cards went through a kachunker, as I call them. 0:18:27.476 --> 0:18:30.636 They're big machines and they go over the top and 0:18:30.676 --> 0:18:33.876 they make a copy of the numbers. So my job 0:18:34.036 --> 0:18:36.916 was it to glue them back on the numbers and 0:18:37.036 --> 0:18:40.756 letters and whatever we took off to change. 0:18:42.396 --> 0:18:45.196 In New Zealand, Mickey and Linda looked for a place 0:18:45.236 --> 0:18:50.636 to hide, somewhere clean and safe with empty waves. The 0:18:50.676 --> 0:18:54.436 plan was stop the paper trail and spend the rest 0:18:54.476 --> 0:18:55.996 of their lives in peace. 0:18:56.716 --> 0:18:59.396 Micky picked a place at Opatama. It was on the 0:18:59.436 --> 0:19:04.836 Mahia Coast. It was actually an older gentleman who lived 0:19:04.996 --> 0:19:08.036 next door, would you believe, And he was selling the house, 0:19:08.796 --> 0:19:11.196 and Vicky went with the pretense to do just go 0:19:11.236 --> 0:19:12.836 to buy it and started paying him. 0:19:13.156 --> 0:19:17.476 I guess some rent it was. He's a cute little blaze. 0:19:17.996 --> 0:19:21.396 But what they didn't realize was that the FBI was 0:19:21.436 --> 0:19:24.636 looking for them, hunting a fugitive who had tried to 0:19:24.636 --> 0:19:28.756 get a passport in a dead man's name. In March 0:19:28.756 --> 0:19:32.236 of nineteen seventy five, a federal warrant was issued for 0:19:32.436 --> 0:19:41.356 John Doe aka Richard Austin Roche Junior, aka Fugitive. Around 0:19:41.396 --> 0:19:43.956 the same time, a bench warrant was issued by a 0:19:44.036 --> 0:19:48.356 judge in Mono County, California for Michael Chapin. He was 0:19:48.396 --> 0:19:53.836 a probationer convicted of stealing ski equipment who had absconded 0:19:54.196 --> 0:20:00.516 whereabouts unknown. Then in June, agents showed a source the 0:20:00.556 --> 0:20:05.276 photograph from the passport application. The source immediately recognized the 0:20:05.276 --> 0:20:10.036 person in the picture as Mickey Chapin. The source told 0:20:10.036 --> 0:20:14.476 the agents Mickey was dangerous and unpredictable and would put 0:20:14.516 --> 0:20:18.036 sugar in your gas tank. He said, Mickey carried a 0:20:18.156 --> 0:20:21.876 large knife end quote, used to have a following of 0:20:21.916 --> 0:20:25.236 wild kids on surf Rider Beach. He had a large 0:20:25.276 --> 0:20:28.116 ego and was idolized by these kids. For the capers 0:20:28.116 --> 0:20:32.556 he pulled off unquote. The source asked the agents to 0:20:32.596 --> 0:20:36.156 protect his identity. He was scared of what Mickey and 0:20:36.196 --> 0:20:39.156 his friends would do if they found out he'd talked 0:20:39.996 --> 0:20:44.436 for the FBI. The picture was coming together. Richard Austin 0:20:44.556 --> 0:20:49.876 Roche was Mickey Chapin and Mickey Chapin was Mickey Dora. 0:20:51.476 --> 0:20:55.196 The FBI requested a check for weapons registered to Michael S. 0:20:55.276 --> 0:21:00.516 Chapin and Miklo Stora, but they had no idea where 0:21:00.636 --> 0:21:01.556 this person was. 0:21:06.636 --> 0:21:10.836 We got involved with some one of the local Maori guys. 0:21:11.156 --> 0:21:13.476 He said, let's go down to the beach and we 0:21:13.516 --> 0:21:16.556 went down on the beach and there were wild goats. 0:21:16.676 --> 0:21:19.836 So we shot one of those, brought that up and 0:21:19.876 --> 0:21:22.476 hung it in the garage for about a week, you know, 0:21:22.596 --> 0:21:25.436 letting it meat tender. I don't know what it was doing, 0:21:25.476 --> 0:21:29.156 but we ended up eating stuff like that. Our best 0:21:29.156 --> 0:21:33.036 thing was roadkilled. We drove out the road, dirt road, 0:21:33.036 --> 0:21:34.916 and then we come back. This is surf surf checking. 0:21:35.516 --> 0:21:37.636 Come back the other way and there's a rabbit hit 0:21:38.556 --> 0:21:40.716 picked the rabbit up and skin them and throw them 0:21:40.716 --> 0:21:44.676 in the pot. And we were eating bait fish. We 0:21:45.036 --> 0:21:47.556 were skimping, you know, we were really careful. We just 0:21:47.676 --> 0:21:50.196 macrolled and stuff. People would, you know, throw away off 0:21:50.236 --> 0:21:52.596 of the side of the boat and it was the 0:21:52.676 --> 0:21:55.716 other guy, the quid. That's it. Calamari would cut him 0:21:55.796 --> 0:21:57.836 up and eat him. 0:21:58.596 --> 0:22:02.916 Then the FBI put another piece in place. Mickey Dora 0:22:03.076 --> 0:22:08.636 had been on a worldwide spending spree. September fourth, nineteen 0:22:08.676 --> 0:22:15.836 seventy FBI teletype two director Washington Field from Los Angeles 0:22:16.236 --> 0:22:20.436 quote as of August twenty ninth, nineteen seventy five, Dora, 0:22:20.716 --> 0:22:23.516 through the fraudulent counterfeit use of a diner's club card, 0:22:23.876 --> 0:22:25.916 was in debt to the Diners Club in the amount 0:22:26.036 --> 0:22:29.636 of nineteen thousand, seven hundred and eighty five dollars and 0:22:29.716 --> 0:22:34.276 ninety one cents. That's about one hundred and ten thousand 0:22:34.356 --> 0:22:40.916 dollars today. One more thing quote. Mickey was accompanied by 0:22:40.916 --> 0:22:46.596 a white female described as redacted age about redacted. Her 0:22:46.716 --> 0:22:51.876 name was not known. Their mystery man was traveling with 0:22:51.996 --> 0:22:59.596 an even more mysterious woman. Back in New Zealand. Mickey 0:22:59.636 --> 0:23:01.516 and Linda were making it work. 0:23:02.756 --> 0:23:06.796 The stove was actually a wood fired stove to keep 0:23:06.796 --> 0:23:08.796 that thing going and for the heat of the house too. 0:23:09.556 --> 0:23:11.196 And I was good at it, you know, I could 0:23:11.236 --> 0:23:13.556 do it. I wasn't a good cook like Marsha, but 0:23:14.236 --> 0:23:16.476 you know I could, you know, make soup and stuff 0:23:16.476 --> 0:23:19.236 like that. But that was good. 0:23:19.876 --> 0:23:23.476 Life was simple and pretty sweet and as far as 0:23:23.476 --> 0:23:27.516 they knew they had successfully dropped out. 0:23:27.236 --> 0:23:30.196 We'd go in to like a local gym and play 0:23:30.236 --> 0:23:33.436 badminton and trying to play tennis, which was one of 0:23:33.436 --> 0:23:36.556 Mickey's favorites, walking down to the little beach down there 0:23:36.596 --> 0:23:37.636 and enjoying surf. 0:23:39.836 --> 0:23:43.276 But one day the person they least expected to see 0:23:43.436 --> 0:23:49.276 showed up, not law enforcement, someone who posed a much 0:23:49.636 --> 0:23:50.716 greater threat. 0:23:52.276 --> 0:23:55.916 Well, we're gonna knock on the door. I see this 0:23:56.036 --> 0:23:58.116 car drive up and I'm like, who the hell's uh? 0:23:58.156 --> 0:24:00.596 You know, I see this blonde come out as dawn. 0:24:01.916 --> 0:24:05.116 I said, Mickey, down's here, and he goes what He 0:24:05.156 --> 0:24:07.196 had a rifle of course, because we were hunting, you know, 0:24:07.436 --> 0:24:09.956 and he had it behind the door. He picks it 0:24:10.036 --> 0:24:12.876 up and he says, get rid of him, he. 0:24:12.836 --> 0:24:13.876 Said, got him out of here. 0:24:14.756 --> 0:24:16.676 So he comes to the door and I opened it 0:24:16.676 --> 0:24:19.196 and he went, what the hell you know, and he goes, oh, 0:24:19.236 --> 0:24:20.876 come on, as you got to get out of here, 0:24:20.956 --> 0:24:23.996 you know. He says, I'll just take a spin for 0:24:24.116 --> 0:24:26.716 this talk, you know. So I didn't have any of 0:24:26.716 --> 0:24:31.276 my stuff. He say, come on, he says, grab your purse, 0:24:31.396 --> 0:24:39.276 you know. So I grab my purse, go out. He says, 0:24:39.916 --> 0:24:43.156 do you like living here? And I said, you know yeah, 0:24:43.556 --> 0:24:44.196 and he says, come. 0:24:44.076 --> 0:24:49.156 On, let's go. I got blends. So we get we 0:24:49.236 --> 0:24:51.556 lie laughed. I had my purse. That's it. 0:24:52.316 --> 0:24:56.116 You didn't feel bad you were leaving Mickey? 0:24:56.356 --> 0:25:01.196 Well here it was the adventure thing again' you know. 0:25:02.156 --> 0:25:03.716 I don't know if it was me pulling it off 0:25:03.796 --> 0:25:08.796 or I guess I got tired of new Zealand, you know, 0:25:09.156 --> 0:25:13.876 kind of war. I just took off, you know, and 0:25:13.916 --> 0:25:17.996 then we get to I think it was Wellington, but 0:25:18.196 --> 0:25:20.996 I hadn't my passport wasn't in my purse. Mickey of 0:25:21.036 --> 0:25:25.796 course immediately figured out she's got to take off. He 0:25:25.836 --> 0:25:26.716 took my passport. 0:25:28.236 --> 0:25:32.036 Mickey knew Linda couldn't get far without a passport, and 0:25:32.076 --> 0:25:34.516 he knew the first place she'd have to go. 0:25:35.596 --> 0:25:39.996 In the meantime, Don was wanted by the Inner pol 0:25:41.076 --> 0:25:45.636 And Micky had called someone in the upper departments of 0:25:46.156 --> 0:25:50.316 passport divisions and said, Hey, this girl's coming. She's with 0:25:50.396 --> 0:25:52.036 a guy who's wanted by the FBI. 0:25:52.676 --> 0:25:55.876 Get them. So they did. 0:25:56.356 --> 0:25:58.556 They got Don, Yeah, and they had to let me go. 0:25:59.236 --> 0:26:00.116 They arrested Don. 0:26:00.236 --> 0:26:04.436 Yeah, yeah, he got He got clinked. 0:26:05.116 --> 0:26:08.756 The New Zealand authorities gave Linda a temporary passport and 0:26:08.756 --> 0:26:10.316 in four armed her that she was going to be 0:26:10.396 --> 0:26:12.476 deported unless she left immediately. 0:26:13.436 --> 0:26:16.236 My flight was Pango Pango, Los Angeles. And when I 0:26:16.276 --> 0:26:20.476