1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always 3 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,519 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. Let's give a hand or 4 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: like a dolphin to our one and only super producer, 5 00:00:38,440 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: Mr Max Williams. They called me Ben Noll. Have you 6 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: ever been stranded in the wild? No, but I went 7 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: to a dolphin show an aquarium once. It's kind of 8 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: the same thing, right, I mean, it's I think it's 9 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: a little sadder. Honestly, I've been to those shows too. 10 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: Dolphins are just so intelligent. You've probably heard, folks the 11 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 1: story called Island of the Blue Dolphins. We're diving into 12 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: accidental punt accident a wordplay, were punt? That was? That was? 13 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,640 Speaker 1: I was not think to do that consciously. We are 14 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: exploring rather uh, the real life inspiration for that story 15 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:22,960 Speaker 1: and several other works of fiction. Are you referring to 16 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:27,000 Speaker 1: the Caldicott Award medal winning Island of the Blue Dolphins 17 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:31,080 Speaker 1: by Scott Hodell. Yes, yeah, Island of the Blue Dolphins. 18 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:35,800 Speaker 1: Caldecott books always slap in my opinion. In the book 19 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: Island of the Blue Dolphins, you'll see that O'Dell calls 20 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: the main character Karana maybe interesting, tending fans of that 21 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 1: book to know that this is indeed based on a 22 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: real place, a true story, and a real individual. We're 23 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: talking about a place known as San Nicholas Island. It's 24 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,880 Speaker 1: it's a tricky name because it's actually uh, it's part 25 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: of a larger thing in archipelago of the Channel Islands 26 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: off of the coast of California. And it's not like 27 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: opulent island real estate. If you pull up a picture, 28 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: it's it's pretty barren, kind of wind swept, so much 29 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 1: so that Uncle Sam once upon a time thought this 30 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:20,200 Speaker 1: is where we should test nuclear bombs. They didn't. I know, 31 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: what's the deal with that. Why is the government always 32 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: like looking at like beautiful remote pieces of natural beauty 33 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: to blow up? I don't understand why they why they 34 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:34,239 Speaker 1: need that cheaper parking. Mainly I think based on based 35 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:38,400 Speaker 1: on the the do D documents are fred We're thankfully 36 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: not talking about horrible mistakes perpetrated by the U. S. 37 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,560 Speaker 1: Government today. We are talking about, in fact, a woman 38 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: who lived on a remote island by herself for many, 39 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: many years and was discovered. But let's go back in history. Today, 40 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: we are talking about a series of islands known as 41 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: the Channel Islands, and um they were in fact discovered 42 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: in the fifteen hundreds by Juan Rodriguez Cabrio. But long before, 43 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:10,920 Speaker 1: you know, like a lot of these things, before they 44 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:15,119 Speaker 1: get discovered, there's already stuff going on there. People live there. 45 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: There's a whole culture that flourished there. The Nicolino tribe 46 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:24,120 Speaker 1: had lived there for ten thousand years before this Spanish 47 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 1: conqueror dude even set foot there. Of course, as it's 48 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: usually the case with conquering people, and I would even 49 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: bother to really ask any questions like hey, well, what's 50 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 1: your deal? How long have your people been here? It's 51 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: mainly just about let's say, let's go ahead and convert 52 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: you to Catholicism. We just convert you to Catholicism real quick, 53 00:03:41,800 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 1: that'd be great, please, assimilator. We will murder you where 54 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: you stand, right. So, the Spanish forces arriving in California 55 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: at this time were primarily missionaries on paper. That's what 56 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: they were doing, is converting people to Christianity. And the 57 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 1: reality of life on the frontier for these folks is 58 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 1: pretty brutal because they haven't been part of a community 59 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:07,840 Speaker 1: that's lived there for thousands of years. They're open to trading, 60 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 1: they're open to learning, relatively speaking for the time, and 61 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: they don't ask a lot of questions. As we said, 62 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: this all changed in eighteen eleven. Although they had traded 63 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:21,719 Speaker 1: with their neighbors in the islands for a long long time, 64 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 1: they didn't understand or they didn't anticipate. I think a 65 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: group of Russian fur traders who found the island and said, 66 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: this is paradise for us. Look at all these seals, 67 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: look at all these sea otters. And because they were 68 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 1: interested in these natural resources, these otters and these seals, 69 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: the Russian forces attacked the Nicolenno community and they assaulted women, 70 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: they murdered men. All of this meant that the population, 71 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: which had been about three hundred, dropped down to just 72 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: a few dozen by eighteen fourteen. With this, I want 73 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: to shout out a great article on j Store called 74 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: Stranded on the Island of the Blue Dolphins, The True 75 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: Story of Wanda Maria by Aaron Blakemore. Everyone wanted a 76 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: piece of the action, you know, this whole sea on 77 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 1: our situation. UH Spanish authorities decided to plant their flag 78 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: and assert rights over the island. We know how this 79 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: game goes. You know, it's all about possession, is nine 80 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: tenths of the law and all of that. And there 81 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: can of course be legal disputes that can come up 82 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,280 Speaker 1: in terms of like who conquered what first, But at 83 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: this point it's literally just like, hey, this is ours. 84 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: We say so, we're protecting you, we're defending it. Try 85 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: to take it from us, we hear you. So they 86 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,240 Speaker 1: actually arrested one of these Russian hunters, a guy named 87 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: Bois Tasarov, but by this point the badger was already 88 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 1: out of the bag. As as Ben says on stuff, 89 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. There were just a 90 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 1: few Nicolino tribesmen left, but like they'd essentially all but 91 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: killed off the Sea Honor popular Asia. So that left 92 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 1: the folks that were remaining on the island particularly vulnerable, 93 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:11,000 Speaker 1: and the Catholic missionaries absolutely capitalized on that, all of 94 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 1: the scarcity and and the dangerous tenuous situation that these 95 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: folks found themselves in in order to kind of attract 96 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: these folks to their mission system, where then they were 97 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 1: forced into essentially unpaid labor but also forcibly converted to 98 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:33,799 Speaker 1: catholicis right. Yeah, the idea was, look at this, our 99 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: mission is an area of stability and safety. We just 100 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,800 Speaker 1: need you to do what we say. And this was 101 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: common in this era in history, also the Channel Islands. Overall, 102 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: we're encountering problems like this. We know that various groups 103 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 1: on the Channel Islands, which are about fifty three miles 104 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:59,119 Speaker 1: off the modern day Californian coast, these islands, these people 105 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: were running into diseases they had never encountered before, technology 106 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:09,359 Speaker 1: they had never encountered before, and belligerent, hostile foreigners. And 107 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: it's complicated here. There are a couple of things that 108 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: are left up to interpretation even today. But we do 109 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:18,560 Speaker 1: know that by the early eighteen thirties, with the entirety 110 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 1: of the native population, that area in decline and a 111 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: lot of village is already abandoned. The authorities that the 112 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: missions organized the removal of all remaining people from the 113 00:07:32,120 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 1: entirety of the archipelago, the entirety of the Channel Islands. 114 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: The very last island to be evacuated, San Nicholas. And 115 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 1: that's kind of where our story begins, at least the 116 00:07:43,640 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: mystery part of our story. They knew in eighteen thirty five. 117 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: They've being some Franciscan friars from Mission Santa Barbara. They 118 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,000 Speaker 1: knew that there was just a very small group, a 119 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: couple of dozens or so of Nicolanos on this island, 120 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: so they sent a ship, a schooner called Pure s Nata. 121 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: A k better than nothing, to say Nicholas Uh and 122 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:19,640 Speaker 1: his spirit. Yeah, his stories are right. His stories are 123 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: still divided on whether this was like a well intentioned 124 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: rescue mission or whether it was a forced eviction. Like 125 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: many things in history. I imagine there were multiple motivations, 126 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:36,080 Speaker 1: so what happened next is indeed also the subject of 127 00:08:36,160 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: some debate. The captain of the Pure As Nada, Charles Hubbard, 128 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: had pretty good luck persuading the Nicolaneas people who were 129 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: left on the island to get on his ship to 130 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: travel to Santa Barbara, but they realized that a woman 131 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: and a child who were part of their group were 132 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: not on board. Other historians believe that Uh, there was 133 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: a a men that realized that her young son was 134 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: still left on the island, kind of a hall alone situation. 135 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: She jumped off the boat and swam back to shore. Uh. 136 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: That's yeah, totally exactly. A few boats did eventually return 137 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: to the island to look for them, but they were 138 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: never found m M. And this is when the rumors, 139 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: the legends began. There were still it was still an 140 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:29,560 Speaker 1: active fishery. Even though the Russians had really done a 141 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,679 Speaker 1: number on the otter and seal population, there were there 142 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: were still a lot of fish to be had, So 143 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,319 Speaker 1: there was still a fishing industry, and just not all 144 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:41,040 Speaker 1: the time, not super frequently. Every once in a while 145 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:46,600 Speaker 1: fisherman would say, I saw someone running along the shore 146 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 1: of that that one weird island, that creepy island that 147 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: no one lives on. And this is also beautifully depicted 148 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 1: in l a times great read with Island dig Halted 149 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,200 Speaker 1: Lone Woman Still is Stinging Mystery by Louis Sahagun. So 150 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: the thing about these sightings is that they all kind 151 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,479 Speaker 1: of matched, They all had commonalities. This person, this individual 152 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: was always described as female and appearance light complexion, somewhere 153 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,360 Speaker 1: between twenty two thirty years old. And the thing is, 154 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: there's a lot of mist on the island because of 155 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 1: its its location by the coast, So she would disappear 156 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: into the mist and then reappear and After those initial sightings, 157 00:10:31,679 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: she was not seen again for eighteen years. I love 158 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: a good disappearing into the mist situation. So the Piero 159 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: s Nada did intend to return when the miss cleared 160 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: and the rough weather conditions improved, but the ship actually 161 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: struck something when it was getting to San Francisco and 162 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: it sank. There were efforts made later to send boats 163 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:58,160 Speaker 1: back to find the quote unquote last Indian, but none 164 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: of them ever succeeded. That is until all, I guess, 165 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: the hero of our story, or a essential figure of 166 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: our story, Captain net Ever discovered her in eighteen fifty 167 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: three discovery. Because she discovered rescued. What I'm saying like 168 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: this didn't nobody she didn't ask to be rescued. Well yeah, well, 169 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 1: well we'll see. It's just I always bring this up 170 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: when we talk about things like people discovering the extinct 171 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: ceiling can't anyway, there's a lot of stuff in common 172 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: with cryptids and uh stories of ferald children. Here, you'll 173 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: see what we're talking about, fellow ridiculous historians. So yes, 174 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:41,480 Speaker 1: eighteen fifty three, she is rescued, taken to the mainland, 175 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 1: and immediately people are saying, look, at this we found 176 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: a real life Robinson Crusoe, just like Tom Hanks in 177 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,880 Speaker 1: a later film. She's been living alone for a long time, 178 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 1: and she had become pretty self sufficient, especially considering there 179 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 1: weren't a ton of resources on the island. You'll hear 180 00:12:01,920 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: depictions of her having fish. She lived on seals, wild ducks. 181 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: She had made a house, actually had a whale bones. 182 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 1: She was living on seal fat and she she had 183 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 1: kind of a carefree attitude. She was singing songs. She 184 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: was affable, amicable with people, but no one knew what 185 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 1: she was singing, because by the time she was discovered 186 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: and taken back to civilization, no one understood her language 187 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 1: at all. And one scholar of of the time minds 188 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: you wrote that apparently, um, she actually told Nite her 189 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 1: when he came that her child was torn to pieces 190 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: by the wild dogs with which the land is overrun. 191 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 1: That's heavy. It was pieces. Yeah, And and there's there's 192 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: another interesting thing that occurs though, because honestly, it didn't 193 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 1: seem like she let this get her down when she 194 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,839 Speaker 1: met the crew. If you've ever been to a re 195 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: enactment village, she was doing something very much like that. 196 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: For their crew. She would have them follow around and 197 00:13:06,400 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: watch her daily activity. She would sing them songs, she 198 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:12,319 Speaker 1: would show them the good hunting and fishing spots. They 199 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: took to calling her better than nothing, which sounds mean 200 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 1: until you remember they were basically naming her after that schooner, 201 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: and they thought she was the bee's knees. They thought 202 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,960 Speaker 1: she was so cool. They loved hanging out with her, 203 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: and she seemed to get the vibe as well. So 204 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,840 Speaker 1: when they headed back to Santa Barbara, she hopped on 205 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,160 Speaker 1: with them, and Captain did ever pretty much one or over. 206 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: He wrote about this a lot, by the way, in 207 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: his memoirs, We're doing our damnedest to pronounce this guy's name, right. 208 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: I think we're going with the most obvious pronunciation. But 209 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: what if it ends up basically like Ni Diver you know, 210 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, just nitty vera, like Bonnie Vair. You know, 211 00:13:51,720 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 1: let's let the mean emails fly. Actually got me this 212 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: mean emails? But um tweet at us or something? Do 213 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: you get the email? Now, get any emails? I think 214 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: we still have a dead email. The best for us, 215 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: but yeah, this this dude. Uh. He wrote a memoir 216 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 1: that was very humbly entitled The Life and Adventures of 217 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:19,000 Speaker 1: George Nittiva. The rescue party was him Uh, a hunter 218 00:14:19,240 --> 00:14:22,560 Speaker 1: named Charlie Brown, and according to his own account and irishman, 219 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: we called Colorado sounds like a good time. It was 220 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: because of his florid complexion. Four sure was and then 221 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: there were four mission Indians. They docked on the island 222 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 1: or I guess, I don't know. I don't have a dock. 223 00:14:37,280 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: I guess that we call that. He beached uh in 224 00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:44,800 Speaker 1: July um and they were planning for several months of hunting. 225 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 1: But shortly after they found what they described as an 226 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: old woman stripping blubber from a piece of seal skin. 227 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:56,240 Speaker 1: And again from his book, ninevah was I guess a 228 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 1: little bit um confused to see her reaction that she 229 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: did not turn tail and run and terror. In fact, 230 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: she smiled and gave a nice little bow and just 231 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 1: started talking at them. I say at them, because there 232 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 1: was no understanding there. It was in this language they 233 00:15:13,720 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: had no way of comprehending. Um. She described as being 234 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: of medium hied about fifty years old, but strong and 235 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: clearly someone who's very active, with a very pleasant looking, 236 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 1: you know, disposition, very very nice, smile warm, always smiling, 237 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: he described. And her clothing was a single garment of 238 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: skins that were that he described. Also, I believe there 239 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: were some feathers uh and so over other outfits pretty 240 00:15:41,040 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: much homemade. And this is this is where, uh, this 241 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:49,160 Speaker 1: is where our captain nit ever has an epiphany of sorts. 242 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: He's pictured him like the meme from a beautiful mind, 243 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: where all the equations are going forth and visibly in 244 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: front of his face, and he says, hold on, I 245 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 1: remember what the padres over the mission we're telling me. 246 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: They said, if we ran into some lost lady over 247 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: on the island, then we should bring her back. And 248 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 1: so they kicked it with her again. They vibed hard, 249 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,880 Speaker 1: and about a month later they did take her with 250 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:18,040 Speaker 1: them to Santa Barbara, to the mission. And this lady, 251 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: it would later be called Wa Maria or you know, 252 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 1: better than nothing. She loved it. She's delighting in the 253 00:16:26,400 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: sounds of the sensory experiences of civilization. She super super 254 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 1: gets into horses, she likes ox carts half. She becomes 255 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:39,960 Speaker 1: like the town's first really big celebrity. People come to 256 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: see her. The captain says, hey, you can stay at 257 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: my place, and my wife will like help kind of 258 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:51,560 Speaker 1: assimilate you into society and care for you. And the 259 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: issue now right is they want to figure out how 260 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: to communicate more effectively. And they say, Okay, we don't 261 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:03,360 Speaker 1: speak whatever language she is speaking, but we have a 262 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:07,959 Speaker 1: lot of native people who live in and around the mission, 263 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: so they probably speak her tongue. This was a reasonable assumption, 264 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:15,920 Speaker 1: but it was one that would prove to be incorrect. 265 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: No one at the mission could understand her. Also, the 266 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 1: people who had traded with the Nicolo in the past, 267 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: the Chumash, they couldn't speak her language. And so the 268 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: missionaries sent for some of people from the tongue Va 269 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:33,639 Speaker 1: community in Santa Catalina Island, which is not like just 270 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: up the way from Sam Nicholas, and they also couldn't 271 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: speak with her, so no one knew No one knew 272 00:17:42,080 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 1: what she was saying. I think they learned a couple 273 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: of words maybe, but even that is unconfirmed. We talked 274 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: about that forced labor from a lot of the native 275 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: folks that were assimilated and brought into these missions. They 276 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,400 Speaker 1: were used to raise thousands of heads of cattle as 277 00:17:56,400 --> 00:18:00,400 Speaker 1: are really prosperous farm actually this mission. So they were 278 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: essentially helping enrich their kidnappers. How's that for? What's it 279 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 1: called Stockholm syndrome? And in those subsequent years, during that period, 280 00:18:12,200 --> 00:18:15,520 Speaker 1: many many of these people died there from harsh conditions. 281 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 1: In one, six years after the Nickelingeons were evacuated to 282 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:23,560 Speaker 1: this farm, the priests that ran the place recorded the 283 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: deaths of three thousand, nine hundred and nineties seven Chumash 284 00:18:28,080 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 1: people they referred to as neophytes or native workers. And 285 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 1: this was likely due to another all too familiar trope 286 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: in stories of conquering people, epidemics, diseases that one people 287 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 1: are immune to or have been exposed to and and 288 00:18:44,400 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: are you know, are protected against. And another people have 289 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 1: not seen it at all, and it just ripped through them, 290 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: you know, um, like the hand of death essentially, And uh, 291 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:58,160 Speaker 1: that's what happened here. Epidemics swept through the mission's labor 292 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: force like a plague. Um. The mission's assets were eventually 293 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: sold and liquidated in the Santa Barbara. That's kind of 294 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,040 Speaker 1: what led to Santa Barbara, right, the city that we 295 00:19:09,119 --> 00:19:12,119 Speaker 1: know today. It's a lovely, you know, beachside community. It 296 00:19:12,280 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: was a very new, very active, young city that was 297 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: also going to get a big boost from the gold Rush, 298 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 1: uh and had all kinds of people because of these beginnings. Yeah, 299 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 1: and if you want to learn more about the role 300 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 1: that disease played in European expansion into modern day North 301 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:37,160 Speaker 1: and South America, then I would highly recommend checking out Guns, Germs, 302 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: and Steel by Jared Diamond. It's not a perfect book, 303 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 1: but it's a very interesting read. There's the place you 304 00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 1: should go for more information. And if you want to 305 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: learn more about how diseases affects society in general, check 306 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: out Norman Canters in the Wake of the Plague, which 307 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: is about the Black Death through Europe and through Asia. 308 00:19:56,920 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 1: It's amazing anyhow, Yes, yeah, this is a boom town 309 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: now and it had to be a sensory overload situation 310 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,520 Speaker 1: for Wata Maria four better than nothing. But she took 311 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: it in stride and it was almost like the way 312 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: it's depicted in newspapers of the time. It sounds like 313 00:20:19,160 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 1: the first act of Emily or something. She's going around 314 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 1: finding her favorite things. Shellfish, I love shellfish, coffee, what's this, oh, liquor, 315 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: I'll take any kind. There's another current of discourse here 316 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 1: that that we have to mention. So people interacted with 317 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: her had started telling each other that she had reverted 318 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,919 Speaker 1: to a semi wild or feral condition. And during this 319 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: time in history, people were particularly fascinated with the idea 320 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:01,800 Speaker 1: of feral children. We have some episodes relating to this, 321 00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:05,120 Speaker 1: like on language experiments and so on. This is also 322 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 1: kind of in the nascent days of of you know, 323 00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:13,959 Speaker 1: psychological experimentation and just the the field of psychiatry and psychology. 324 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,720 Speaker 1: So there were a lot of very morally dubious experiments 325 00:21:17,760 --> 00:21:20,479 Speaker 1: going on with like some of these, for example, feral 326 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: children or doing twin studies and stuff like that, you know. 327 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,360 Speaker 1: So it was kind of this wild West of of 328 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 1: of enlightenment and all that, but usually at the cost 329 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 1: of of of your you know, subjects. Yeah, and people 330 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: even people had asked her to perform some of these 331 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: songs that she loved so much, I mean, for decades 332 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,600 Speaker 1: alone on this island. It was one of the way 333 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:45,880 Speaker 1: she entertained herself and one was recorded, like written down, 334 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: and even today linguists aren't sure what language she spoke exactly. 335 00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 1: This has led some researchers to claim that she was 336 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:59,439 Speaker 1: not Nicolo at all, that she was from a different community. 337 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 1: If want to learn more about that than check out 338 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: the journal The Loan Woman of Son Nicholas Island, a 339 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 1: new hypothesis on her origin by Marla Daily that was 340 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:14,320 Speaker 1: published in California History. So people are trying to figure 341 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 1: out what her language is. She is obviously not a threat, 342 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 1: She's obviously very nice person who loves new things and 343 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: loves meeting people. But they want to figure out more 344 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,320 Speaker 1: about her. They want to know her mysterious providence and 345 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: her origin story. Right now, only four words that she 346 00:22:33,880 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: uttered have been written down, along with two songs that 347 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: she allegedly sang. And the words that they know is 348 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: that she called a hide like a pelt to skin. 349 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:50,440 Speaker 1: She called it toka. She called a male figure nache. 350 00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 1: The sky was Toigua, and the body was I may 351 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,479 Speaker 1: mispronounced this year. The body was pool Ja. Those are 352 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: the four words they know, but they're badly spelled, and 353 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,400 Speaker 1: this is fun um. They believe, or it is believed, 354 00:23:05,400 --> 00:23:07,239 Speaker 1: that her songs were mostly made up of kind of 355 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,160 Speaker 1: nonsense syllables uh as the new word for me today 356 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 1: vocal vocables or vocables reminds me of the band, the 357 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:18,879 Speaker 1: Icelandic band Seeger Ross, who sort of invented their own language. 358 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,440 Speaker 1: It's called Hope Land. I I believe it's what they're 359 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,359 Speaker 1: for to it is, so it's scot music or I 360 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: like your vocables, like lunchables, you know. I like that 361 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,960 Speaker 1: hack of Max. I saw I saw you raising your 362 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 1: hands there. Oh no, I'm just uh you guys can't 363 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,040 Speaker 1: hear it now, But I'm just thinking about all the 364 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: cigar Ross esque music that's playing right now in the background, 365 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,560 Speaker 1: and it's transitioning between songs and background. That's gonna be 366 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,120 Speaker 1: let made it go? Max? Can you put some scat 367 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:57,240 Speaker 1: in at the end? Weed ape? I was listening to 368 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,479 Speaker 1: Scott Man last night. Actually, you know, he's big in Japan. 369 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: That's where he met the bulk of his commercial success. 370 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,720 Speaker 1: Actually that makes sense. So what about who's the guy 371 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,680 Speaker 1: that caught and eyed Joe? That's not it. He was 372 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: big in Japan too. We don't have to talked about 373 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,560 Speaker 1: that which certainly don't think about that song. Do not 374 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,359 Speaker 1: think about that song. It will get stuck in your 375 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 1: head for the rest of your life. I caution you, 376 00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: but I it was a slapping episode of he was 377 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:21,240 Speaker 1: in butd head when they talked about this gat man 378 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 1: any who. Um, so we've got several names for this, uh, 379 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: this very mysterious individual. At this point, we've got the 380 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: lone Woman of San Nicholas. We also referred to her 381 00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: as Kanana. That's the character I believe in the book, 382 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: the the kind of dramatization of this by O'Dell better 383 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: than nothing, Guana Maria, uh and the lone woman of course. Yeah, 384 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: and Arose by any other name, right, Arose is a rose, 385 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: is a rose and so odd. So everybody pretty much 386 00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 1: across the board loved her. They were fascinated with her. 387 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,639 Speaker 1: She would leave the mission and go, you know, downtown, 388 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,200 Speaker 1: and she almost always there's even a gift from someone 389 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 1: who just wanted to interact with her. And children loved her. Eventually, 390 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: authorities did learn a little bit about her story despite 391 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: the language barrier, through the use of sign language, and 392 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: they said, okay, this is verified. This really was the 393 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: woman who was left behind during that evacuation in eighteen 394 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:24,919 Speaker 1: thirty five, and she never did find a child she 395 00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,919 Speaker 1: was looking for. That's what they concluded. But again history 396 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:34,960 Speaker 1: historical accounts differ. After just seven awesome weeks on the mainland. 397 00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:40,880 Speaker 1: Well less than two months, she caught dysentery, she became ill, 398 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: and she passed away. She was buried in the cemetery 399 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: at Mission Santa Barbara, and all of her personal possessions 400 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: were given to the California Academy of Sciences and they 401 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: were destroyed in the San Francisco earthquake and fire of 402 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: nineteen o six. She is because this was a Catholic mission. 403 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,359 Speaker 1: She was baptized on her deathbed, and that's where she 404 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 1: got the name Guanta Maria. You know, it's strange because 405 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: the mystery continues today. The mystery almost got solved in 406 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: but the U. S. Navy halted a long running archaeological 407 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: project that was trying to excavate this cave where she 408 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: was believed to have spent part of her time. This 409 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: was due to objections by members of the modern day 410 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,880 Speaker 1: native community. That's right. And it just seems to be 411 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,159 Speaker 1: sort of like a an unfurling of mysteries, sort of 412 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 1: like a Gordita of mysteries or a cheesy Gordita crunch 413 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: of mysteries. You know, I'm nestled inside of a choloopa intrigue. Yeah, 414 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: and you know obviously that tastes delicious for a researcher. 415 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: So with this we kind of I think we wrapped 416 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 1: on the question of of the archaeological project, you know, 417 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: the state meant from the representative of the modern day tribes, 418 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 1: one Mark Makaro. He said, we're only trying to do 419 00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: what's right by our ancestors. We must ensure all applicable 420 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 1: federal laws are followed in reference to this excavation. And honestly, 421 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: I know it's a bummer for the people who spent 422 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,240 Speaker 1: their careers looking for it, but I can see where 423 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 1: they're coming from, you know, the idea like there was 424 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: already so much damage done to the native culture by 425 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: the arrival of the Europeans. I think it's completely reasonable 426 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,439 Speaker 1: to say, let's try to save and preserve what we 427 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,440 Speaker 1: have still. But what a mystery That same push for 428 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: preservation means there will probably be no way to ever 429 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: know the full true story of the Lone Woman of 430 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,919 Speaker 1: Saint Nicholas Island. I think we ran into this a 431 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:49,880 Speaker 1: lot on stuff that I want you to know. For example, 432 00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: sometimes the mystery is better, you know, leave a those 433 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: under the imagination. We don't have to know everything. We 434 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,119 Speaker 1: can explore and learn. But we don't always were weren't 435 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 1: We aren't always an answer? M hmmm. Yeah. And this, 436 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: you know, I know that a lot of people before 437 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,479 Speaker 1: the pandemic entertain the idea of being stuck alone on 438 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: a deserted island. It's such a capital are romantic notion 439 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,639 Speaker 1: until you know, the pandemic hit and they were maybe 440 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 1: stuck alone in a house or in apartment and they said, 441 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,399 Speaker 1: this is what I was thinking about, Wilson. Uh. But 442 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: I do want to give a shout out right, yes, 443 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,320 Speaker 1: I do want to give a shout out to one More. 444 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: One more book. One of my absolute favorite books in 445 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:34,879 Speaker 1: the world, and this story kind of reminds me of 446 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: It is called Atlas of Remote Islands. It's by Judas 447 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:43,200 Speaker 1: Lanski and God's so good. I gotta stop talking about air. 448 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go reread it. I send it to so 449 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: many people. But that's our episode for today. We would 450 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 1: love to hear your stories about mysterious islands, mysterious people 451 00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: on isolated islands. There are a lot out there, especially 452 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: in the age of seafaring exploration, and I recommend a 453 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: podcast and also radio show. But I believe it always 454 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: exist in podcast for him, he goes back quite a 455 00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: long time by the BBC called Desert Island Discs, where 456 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: interesting artists and creative weirdos come on and talk about 457 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 1: what their top five songs would be they would have 458 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,239 Speaker 1: to have with them on a desert island situation. So, uh, 459 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,160 Speaker 1: really good insight into some creative people's minds and also 460 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: a good way to get turned onto some cool new music. 461 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 1: And if you want to see a movie that's hilariously 462 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 1: bad and very very dated and very horny with a 463 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: very young Brook Shields, check out The Blue Lagoon, which 464 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 1: is sort of like the adult version of this type 465 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:44,120 Speaker 1: of story. And thanks as always to our super producer, 466 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: Mr Max Williams thinks the Casey Pegram thanks to one 467 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: of the people that I love dearly but would not 468 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: like to be stuck on a desert island with Jonathan 469 00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: Strickland's a k a. The Quister. I wouldn't be able 470 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 1: to get him to stop talking. He would just continue 471 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:01,720 Speaker 1: to quiz us pedantically until we had to fight him 472 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: to the death. And nobody wants that. Let's keep this, uh, 473 00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: let's keep this nemesis relationship copasetic, shall we? I've been 474 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: thinking about First Blood a lot. I accidentally watched the 475 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: this weird way to say, I actually watched I Guess 476 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: the Newest Rambo, which was Last Blood, and I just 477 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: kept going back to the First Rambo where he's like 478 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: the First Blood. Yeah. Yeah. There's a really good YouTube 479 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,040 Speaker 1: video where it's like the moments from lots of different 480 00:30:31,040 --> 00:30:33,080 Speaker 1: big movies where they say the name of the movie 481 00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: and then they just had they choose that moment to 482 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: have the fake credits role so to be like this 483 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 1: is Jurassic Park and then it just speak credits but 484 00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:43,480 Speaker 1: with like a Limp Biscuit song. So I would check 485 00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 1: that out if you can to. Sorry, too many recks 486 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: here at the end. It's a Friday. We don't watch 487 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 1: the Last Rambo. Don't watch. It's not a recommendation. I 488 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: just need to get it out of my system. I'm 489 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:59,400 Speaker 1: also not don't watch. Yeah, I'm saving, but definitely don't 490 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 1: watch the Blue. Good is okay and this is our 491 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: show and we'll see your next dog folks. For more 492 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, 493 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: Apple podcast, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.