WEBVTT - Amanda Kloots Finds Silver Linings

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<v Speaker 1>This is Alec Baldwin and you were listening to hear

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<v Speaker 1>the thing from My Heart Radio. You may know the

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<v Speaker 1>name Amanda Clutes from the daily social media dispatches she

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<v Speaker 1>released while her husband, Nick Cordero, Broadway star and Tony nominee,

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<v Speaker 1>battled COVID in early a fight he sadly lost in

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<v Speaker 1>July of that year. But she did not take these

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<v Speaker 1>events lying down or spend her time idly after his passing.

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<v Speaker 1>Amanda Clutes is a woman of boundless positivity and innumerable talents.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a dancer, fitness entrepreneur, and television co host of

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<v Speaker 1>The Talk on CBS. Clutes was also a contestant on

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<v Speaker 1>Dancing with the Stars, and she's the author of Live

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<v Speaker 1>Your Life, My Story of Loving and Losing Nick Cordero.

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<v Speaker 1>All of this on top of being a single mom

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<v Speaker 1>to her young son Elvis, to what had Frankly, Amanda

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<v Speaker 1>Clutes is a force. I wanted to know how this

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<v Speaker 1>Broadway veteran and longtime New York resident made her transition

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<v Speaker 1>to Sonny, Los Angeles. I had spent some time out here.

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<v Speaker 1>I had done the national tour straight out here. I

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<v Speaker 1>had done the national tour of Young Frankenstein through um

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles. I had done two productions at the Hollywood Bowl,

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<v Speaker 1>so I had spent some summer weeks over in the

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<v Speaker 1>summer here, so and ironically had always wanted to live

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<v Speaker 1>in l A. And then you know, um, the weather,

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<v Speaker 1>the lifestyle, but always just seemed like, you know, one day,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I'd love to live in Los Angeles. But

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<v Speaker 1>then when I got pregnant and we were living in

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<v Speaker 1>New York, and my fitness business was thriving in New

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<v Speaker 1>York and Nick was unemployed. He could not get a

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<v Speaker 1>job to save his life. So our income relied on

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<v Speaker 1>my fitness business. As I was pregnant, and then my

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<v Speaker 1>mom and dad lived across the hall from us, and

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<v Speaker 1>my sisters, Yes, and my sisters were down the streets.

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<v Speaker 1>So in the city, in the city. What were your

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<v Speaker 1>parents doing in the city because you were pregnant, they

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<v Speaker 1>came to stay with you. Yeah, and my sister had

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<v Speaker 1>a baby too. You know, they're retired and they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be close to their daughters and their new grandchildren.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, from being a parent, like you need help.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I was like, Nick, I don't think this

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<v Speaker 1>is the right time to move. You know, you're unemployed.

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<v Speaker 1>All of our income is here. Everybody you know that

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<v Speaker 1>could possibly give you a job is here. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>know anybody in l A. But he was so insistent

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<v Speaker 1>on wanting to do music and needing to be in

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles for music, and so it got to the

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<v Speaker 1>point where, you know, we kept fighting about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>I knew, because I know my husband, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>if I don't let him do this, you know, we

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<v Speaker 1>gotta try. We can always go back to New York.

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<v Speaker 1>New York is always here, you know, New York never changes.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I thought, you know, okay, we just we

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<v Speaker 1>give a shot. And I was hoping, you know, wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>work out and we would move back to New York.

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<v Speaker 1>Why why that's interesting. I thought you said you wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to be there, I know, but just with with a

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<v Speaker 1>child and being close to family, I just was thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I just hope that we go out to

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<v Speaker 1>l A, figure out that it's not the right time

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<v Speaker 1>at the moment, and we get to come back to

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<v Speaker 1>New York. And your parents relocated there permanently, um, pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much not. They didn't sell their home in Ohio, but

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<v Speaker 1>they had rented for a year an apartment, and then

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to renew their lease. Nick and I found

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<v Speaker 1>our apartment in a building that used to be a

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<v Speaker 1>women's dormitory and they were converting it into apartments. So

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<v Speaker 1>we found this apartment, and the landlord had no idea

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<v Speaker 1>what he had, but you know, I've been in I

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<v Speaker 1>was in New Yorker for eighteen years at that point,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was like, Nick, we're getting this apartment right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And the one across the hall was also being renovated.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, and my mom and dad they're

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<v Speaker 1>getting that apartment. They don't know it, but they're getting

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<v Speaker 1>that apartment. And it was so dirt cheap you would

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<v Speaker 1>not even believe for a two bedroom to bath on

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<v Speaker 1>sixty Central Park West. And so my parents luckily were

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<v Speaker 1>able to rent out the place across the hall from us.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's where we were. Your parents now they're back

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<v Speaker 1>in Ohio. They went home. Well, when COVID happened, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they went they went home. Yeah, they got out of

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<v Speaker 1>their lease and and drove back to Ohio. But you

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<v Speaker 1>were a visitor there. You were a visitor in l A.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I visited then I went out there for

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<v Speaker 1>like a pilot season in the eighties, and then I

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<v Speaker 1>lived out there. I had an address out there for

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<v Speaker 1>thirty years, and I lived out there, and I was

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<v Speaker 1>one of the great l A haters of all time.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I hated because I hated driving. In New York.

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<v Speaker 1>You walk, you a taxi, no uber back then, but

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<v Speaker 1>you don't take the subway. Obviously, everybody took the subway.

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't like to drive. I hated to drive.

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<v Speaker 1>And I've made peace with l A. I don't hate

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<v Speaker 1>it anymore. But uh, when you're there, it's a quick

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<v Speaker 1>commute to the studio. Oh it's the best. Critical, It's critical.

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<v Speaker 1>And I didn't even realize how critical that was. I mean, honestly,

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<v Speaker 1>this job, at the talk, I feel like, was just

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<v Speaker 1>you know, a gift, such a blessing. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>I can take my son to school and then I

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<v Speaker 1>go to my job. I get to talk to really

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<v Speaker 1>fun people and be in a great community every day,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I, you know, I'm home in the afternoon

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<v Speaker 1>for my son after he gets home from school. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's exactly, it's laughable to talk. Come wants to talk,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, that's all I've done today, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to talk anymore. I don't want to tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>How was your day? Yeah, what's going on? Baby? What happened?

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<v Speaker 1>How's pre school? Tell me about Yeah, tell me all

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<v Speaker 1>about it. When you get this job, you hadn't done

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<v Speaker 1>anything like this before, correct, No, not really. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the casting director at the talk reached out to my

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<v Speaker 1>friend who contacted me, and I said, I'll hand them

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<v Speaker 1>over to my manager at the time, and and then

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<v Speaker 1>they came back and said, we're going to test her

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<v Speaker 1>for ten episodes. And you know, at the time, they

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<v Speaker 1>were looking for Marie Osmond's replacement. And so it came

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<v Speaker 1>out of nowhere. It literally came out of nowhere. Now

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<v Speaker 1>I had I had done some hosting stuff. I was

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<v Speaker 1>a dessert critic for six years of my life in

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<v Speaker 1>New York City, and I had filmed some pilots for

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<v Speaker 1>hosting dessert shows with Food Network. A dessert critic. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>could you like stick your spoon into a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>key line pies? And I don't know exactly kidding. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I was sent desserts. I was sent to restaurants all

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<v Speaker 1>over the world and reviewed dessert It was a good job.

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<v Speaker 1>It was not a bad job, and I balanced it

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<v Speaker 1>out with teaching fitness and being on Broadway. So it

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<v Speaker 1>was you know, I you know, joked that I would

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<v Speaker 1>have my cake and eat it too, and that was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all good. So you've done some hosting, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but I mean, don't you think alec when you do

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I did Broadway for seventeen years, and mean

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<v Speaker 1>when you do that, it kind of prepares you for

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<v Speaker 1>anything in life in a way. I mean you get

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<v Speaker 1>to a point where you know you're at an audition,

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<v Speaker 1>can you do this, and you just say yes. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>You're like yes, because you realize you gotta learn on

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<v Speaker 1>the spot. You gotta say yes in order to get

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<v Speaker 1>a job, and you just got to learn and teach

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<v Speaker 1>yourself as you go. So I mean when the talk

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<v Speaker 1>reached out, I was I was super excited and nervous,

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<v Speaker 1>but also kind of like, you know, I I had

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<v Speaker 1>done morning shows, I had done talk shows. I had

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<v Speaker 1>done talk shows for Broadway from my fitness business, So

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't like, yeah, and I had worked with because

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<v Speaker 1>of Broadway. I had worked with a lot of celebrity

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<v Speaker 1>celebrity directors. You know, it wasn't necessarily something that was

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<v Speaker 1>very foreign to me. You know, it didn't feel like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, what am I doing? This is? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it just felt kind of like a new home. They

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<v Speaker 1>were auditioning a lot of people, I know, like Rumor

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<v Speaker 1>Willis was another UM person that they were looking closely at,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, she looks nothing like me, so I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know what they wanted. And Elaine welter Roth, who

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<v Speaker 1>who eventually got the job as well, they were auditioning

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<v Speaker 1>her a lot too, and she's a beautiful black woman.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was really unsure and I shocked when I

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<v Speaker 1>got the job. I really was, Yeah, you did the

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<v Speaker 1>ten episodes I did, and how they go? Well? I

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<v Speaker 1>ended up doing fifteen, so I felt like they did great.

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<v Speaker 1>Have that many doubts about it, Bob, I'm not so sure.

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<v Speaker 1>She really can't talk very well. It's called the talk,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way. She can't talk No. But you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you just you never feel like you can

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<v Speaker 1>be certain that you got the job until you get

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<v Speaker 1>the call that you got the job. And it was

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<v Speaker 1>so funny because I'm not used to this TV world.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when my manager and lawyer called me and

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<v Speaker 1>they downplayed it at first, and then they told me

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<v Speaker 1>that I got the job, and I of course was

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<v Speaker 1>super excited. And then afterwards I ended up calling Zach

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<v Speaker 1>Braff and he goes, Amanda, just a heads up, Hollywood,

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<v Speaker 1>if your lawyer and your manager calls you, it's always

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<v Speaker 1>a good side. As I go, okay, I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know that. He was like, you always thought

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<v Speaker 1>your lawyer on the phone. He's like, that's a good

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<v Speaker 1>side of the deal, Amanda Clutes. If you enjoy conversations

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<v Speaker 1>with vibrant talk show hosts, check out my episode with

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<v Speaker 1>Rosie O'donnald. The club owner called me again, Richie and said,

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<v Speaker 1>come back. Why don't you come back? You were good

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<v Speaker 1>that first night. And so I come back and I

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<v Speaker 1>do sign fields act almost verbade him and I get

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<v Speaker 1>off stage and Ritchie and a bunch of other comics

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<v Speaker 1>are standing around said, wod you get that material? I said,

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<v Speaker 1>this guy named Jerry who was on MERV Griffin yesterday.

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<v Speaker 1>They go, You're not allowed to do that. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>why not? You have to write your own jokes and like,

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<v Speaker 1>wait a minute, strikes and doesn't write her own song?

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<v Speaker 1>Didn't did you do well? Did the audience like of course?

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<v Speaker 1>And they didn't you hear those? Because they were laughing

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<v Speaker 1>jokes a joke. I have to write the jokes and nuts.

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<v Speaker 1>To hear more of my conversation with the versatile Rosie

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<v Speaker 1>O'donnald go to Here's the Thing dot org. After the break,

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<v Speaker 1>Amanda Clutes reveals the musical theater role from her days

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<v Speaker 1>in Ohio that sealed her fate. I'm Alec Baldwin and

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<v Speaker 1>you're listening to Here's the Thing. Amanda Clutes, best telling

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<v Speaker 1>author and fitness entrepreneur, landed a hosting gig on CBS

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<v Speaker 1>as The Talk in January. We spoke about the enormous

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<v Speaker 1>amount of prep work that goes into making a daily

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<v Speaker 1>television show. The day breaks down. We start with an

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<v Speaker 1>eight thirty AM zoom with the cast and our producers.

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<v Speaker 1>They kind of run through, you know, we talk about

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<v Speaker 1>topics before we get into the interviews of the celebrities,

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<v Speaker 1>so we run through those topics and as soon as

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<v Speaker 1>that end, then we are on calls pretty much until

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<v Speaker 1>we walk out on set with other producers about the

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<v Speaker 1>guest we have on what they're promoting, what we're talking about,

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<v Speaker 1>and we're on meetings up until so I'm getting here

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<v Speaker 1>and makeup done. But I'm on meetings up until I

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<v Speaker 1>walk out on stage, so you feel very very prepared. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>The night before, your inboxes flooded with emails and links

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<v Speaker 1>to the screeners. If there is somebody that's promoting a book,

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<v Speaker 1>we got that book last week, so it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's up to you to do your intelligence. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, the good thing I will say about the

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<v Speaker 1>talk is that it's fun that there's five of us,

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<v Speaker 1>because it does take the pressure off of feeling like

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<v Speaker 1>you have to know everything or you have to prepare everything.

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<v Speaker 1>It it's nice to be able to bounce off of

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<v Speaker 1>each other like a real conversation would if you were

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<v Speaker 1>sitting at home with a group of friends. So that

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<v Speaker 1>does help. But the more you're educated, obviously, the better

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<v Speaker 1>for you. Does Amanda cludes come to Hollywood to do

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<v Speaker 1>the talk show and someone else is deciding how you

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<v Speaker 1>wear your hay, what clothes you wear, how much makeup

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<v Speaker 1>you wear. Is there a lot of hands on there

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<v Speaker 1>or you're on your own? No, I have a whole team,

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<v Speaker 1>which is thank god, and they're doing everything for me

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<v Speaker 1>while I'm on these producer calls. But I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>definitely have say, and what I wear and what I

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<v Speaker 1>look like? No one holding up something with some little

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<v Speaker 1>bo peep costume and going and you're going, now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>walking unless they are, And then I go, absolutely no,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not. I'm not wearing that today. What else have

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<v Speaker 1>we got? It's interesting, how you know? When I first started,

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<v Speaker 1>it was the last gasps of an old Hollywood. I

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<v Speaker 1>remember doing the movie Hunt for Red October. We shot

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<v Speaker 1>ane and I was in a chair and four men

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<v Speaker 1>that were producers and executs from Paramount were standing there

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<v Speaker 1>talking about what Claire roll number beaver I needed to

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<v Speaker 1>have my the brown of my hair. Four men were

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<v Speaker 1>sitting there smoking cigarettes. It all smoked back then in public,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were like, I think it's forty seven, franc

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna we go with number forty seven, Beava forty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I don't know, Jerry, thirty nine looks right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we should go with shade light at thirty nine.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sitting in a chair going I had no idea.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really like this. I feel like I'm Clark Gable.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, they're all talking about they're all getting all

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<v Speaker 1>hot and bothered about my hair color and I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of love that. Though all my friends moved

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<v Speaker 1>to l A in the nineties, some in the eighties,

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<v Speaker 1>like me. I started going out there in eighty three

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<v Speaker 1>for the first time, when I was very, very very young,

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<v Speaker 1>and but eventually all through the eighties and into the nineties,

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<v Speaker 1>all my friends left New York and all my friends

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<v Speaker 1>are there. I got more friends in l A than

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<v Speaker 1>I do in New York. Is that the same for you? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, well, I think COVID too. There was such

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<v Speaker 1>an exodus of people in New York. But I think

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<v Speaker 1>that was another reason I was really terrified about moving

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<v Speaker 1>to l A, especially being a new mom and knowing

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<v Speaker 1>that like life as like a young couple isn't the same.

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<v Speaker 1>I was really worried about what you hear. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>you're lonely in l A. If you don't live by

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<v Speaker 1>your friends, you never see them. People make plans say

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<v Speaker 1>you know, everyone's fake and phony. And for some reason, Alec,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know why, I have found just like the

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<v Speaker 1>best community here, especially the Laurel Canyon community, my neighbors,

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<v Speaker 1>my friends here. I have a really, really wonderful group

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<v Speaker 1>of people around me. Amanda, are you saying you're smoking

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of pot making every night? Is that what

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<v Speaker 1>the Laurel Canyon thing is? Is that what you say?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what? I wish? I could tell you

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't smoke pot I have tried. It doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>it puts me right to sleep, So it's not something

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<v Speaker 1>for me. But you know, yeah, I have a little

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<v Speaker 1>bubble here, he said. And I do love the sunshine

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<v Speaker 1>and my lemon trees. And I just bought a vintage Broncos.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was gonna ask you, what car are you driving?

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<v Speaker 1>Did you buy one of what I call the Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>Bacon Broncos. I don't know what's Kevin Bacon Bronco. Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>does a thing for oh May's for charity. When you

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<v Speaker 1>give the money, you're registered in the raffle. You give

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<v Speaker 1>the money to be in the raffle, and you get

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<v Speaker 1>like this, like super tricked out Bronco with like you know,

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<v Speaker 1>novelho blankets or the other fabric on the see all

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<v Speaker 1>those craziness, and I call the guy who makes him.

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<v Speaker 1>I find that who he is. I call this number.

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<v Speaker 1>He picks up the phone. I said, Hi, I'm Alec Baldwin.

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<v Speaker 1>I see this thing with Kevin. He's like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we did that car. Yes, sir, we did that car.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a man. That car is so really awesome. I said, now,

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<v Speaker 1>do you make any more with this, like a one

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<v Speaker 1>off with the charity thing with Kevin? Are you making No. No,

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<v Speaker 1>we have a production line and we're doing the cars.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, Wow, that's amazing. So what are they running

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<v Speaker 1>for these cars? If you're selling these cars, what are

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<v Speaker 1>they running for? He was like, they weren't in About

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<v Speaker 1>on the low one like too sixty and behind about

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<v Speaker 1>And I literally like this little child like looking at

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<v Speaker 1>a toy in the window on fifth them and like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, Schwarts. I'm like, do you mean two sixty dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, yes, yes, yes, that's exactly what I mean.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, oh wow, wow, I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>to bronco that, but you gotta trick that Bronco. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it is not that pensive, that's for sure. I found

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<v Speaker 1>a guy in Long Beach that found one for me

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<v Speaker 1>in Atlanta and he is making it tricked out for me,

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<v Speaker 1>but not that tricked out. It's just tricked out so

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<v Speaker 1>that I don't break down on the side of the

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<v Speaker 1>road because I have no business owning a vantage car.

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<v Speaker 1>I have no business owning any season of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you in now? I'm in season two, So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say it's season two tricked out. You

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<v Speaker 1>have a different car Season five, Season five, it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be like solid gold steering wheel diamonds. There's a season

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<v Speaker 1>five car for all of us. But you've got a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of good pals out there. Yeah, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>really do in a great mix of people. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>people in the business, people not in the business, people

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<v Speaker 1>in the music business, lots of good people. I have

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<v Speaker 1>a great support system, if you don't mind my asking.

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<v Speaker 1>So when Nick passed away or his parents alive, his

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<v Speaker 1>mother is he lost his dad three years before, So

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<v Speaker 1>his poor mom lost her husband and then lost her son.

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<v Speaker 1>How many other kids does she have? She has two

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<v Speaker 1>other kids that live very close to her, So that's

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<v Speaker 1>thank god. You stay in touch with her. Yeah, we

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<v Speaker 1>have a family FaceTime every Sunday where we get on

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<v Speaker 1>and and we face time. But you know, they're in Hamilton's, Canada, Ontario,

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<v Speaker 1>so it has I haven't seen them since she left

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<v Speaker 1>after he passed, but hopefully we'll be able to see

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<v Speaker 1>each other soon. What are you falling in love with

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<v Speaker 1>out there? What do you love? My favorite place in

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<v Speaker 1>the entire world the Hollywood Bowl. I could literally go

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<v Speaker 1>there every single night, weather permitting, and sit and watch

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<v Speaker 1>whatever they're doing, whether it's a movie, the orchestra concert.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that place so much. I wish I had

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<v Speaker 1>my own seat there that was like the Amanda Cluses

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<v Speaker 1>could be arranged at that Season five s from for

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Getting my Own box Season five where it's did

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<v Speaker 1>it Now? My own parking spot too, Dodger Stadium and

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<v Speaker 1>the Hollywood Bowl. There you go. That's that's my favorite though.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that Bowl because I love that old Hollywood feeling,

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<v Speaker 1>like when you were telling your story of shooting that

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<v Speaker 1>movie with the directors, and I mean I would. I

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<v Speaker 1>wish I could go back in time and be there.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's why I love studio lots, because you

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<v Speaker 1>drive onto a studio lot and you immediately feel like

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<v Speaker 1>you're in the nineteen fifties or something. I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>So I love the Hollywood Bowl. It's my favorite. What

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<v Speaker 1>was it like for you? You grew up in what

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<v Speaker 1>town in Ohio? Ohio? Can'ton Ohio? Are you a football fan? Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The Football Hall of Fame was five minutes down the

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<v Speaker 1>street from where I grew up, and you grew up there, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where I grew up. And I moved to New

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<v Speaker 1>York at eighteen years old. Why because what was the

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<v Speaker 1>theater thing? If you as a child, you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't really I started dancing when I was twelve. When

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<v Speaker 1>I started looking to it, Yeah, musical an arts middle school.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when I got into high school, I started

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<v Speaker 1>doing musicals and I fell in love with singing and

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<v Speaker 1>acting and being on stage. And I was Adelaide and

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<v Speaker 1>my senior performance of Guys and Dolls, and that just

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<v Speaker 1>sealed the deal for me. And I told my parents

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta, you know, go to school for musical theater.

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<v Speaker 1>And auditioned for a school in New York called AMA

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<v Speaker 1>American Musical and Dramatic Academy and got in, and I

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<v Speaker 1>convinced them I don't know how to drop me off

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<v Speaker 1>in New York City at eighteen years old and let

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<v Speaker 1>me go to school to be on the think did

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<v Speaker 1>they just believe in you? I definitely fought for it,

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<v Speaker 1>that's for sure. I Mean, when I want something, I'll

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<v Speaker 1>fight for it. But um, you know, I was. I

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<v Speaker 1>was one of five kids. I have a younger sister,

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<v Speaker 1>so I was basically the baby for a while. I

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<v Speaker 1>think by the time they had already put three people

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<v Speaker 1>through college, you know, normal four year colleges. I think

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<v Speaker 1>by the time I was begging and pleading to go

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<v Speaker 1>to New York and be on Broadway, they kind of

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<v Speaker 1>they were tired. They were tired, were tired of you,

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<v Speaker 1>Like down the hallway. It's like that movie Little Voice

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<v Speaker 1>down the hall Way. They can hear you going. I

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<v Speaker 1>was born in a in the Plymouth Theater in Pocatello, Idaho.

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<v Speaker 1>But seriously, I think about that now, and I think

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<v Speaker 1>about like Elvis coming up to me and going, mom,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to move to New York and be on Broadway.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the you know, I also said be a

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<v Speaker 1>Radio City Rocket, and you know, I would look at

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<v Speaker 1>him like, no, no, you don't. Is it weird how

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<v Speaker 1>we do that? I said to my kids. They were like,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be an actor. I'm like, man, we

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<v Speaker 1>gotta have a few drinks. I know you're only five.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to have a few drinks. Even break out

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<v Speaker 1>a package of camel lights, puff a couple of cigs,

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<v Speaker 1>have a couple of cocktails, and we're gonna talk it over.

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<v Speaker 1>Now you get to New York and you became a

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<v Speaker 1>roquet how quickly? Well, I first did the national tour

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<v Speaker 1>of forty two straight. That was my job. I got

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<v Speaker 1>two days before I graduated school. So my parents, luckily,

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<v Speaker 1>we're like, oh my gosh, well, you know, this is

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<v Speaker 1>is a pretty good story. The Broadway show was revived

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<v Speaker 1>and it was a huge hit. It won the tone

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<v Speaker 1>me and well Jerry are about to the original. This

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<v Speaker 1>was two thousand, yeah, two thousand, I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>on Broadway. Two thousand two was when I graduated, and

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<v Speaker 1>it was a massive hit. I saw it front row

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<v Speaker 1>because at the time there were student tickets. I saw

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<v Speaker 1>it twelve times in the front row, and of course

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<v Speaker 1>just you know, every time with my eyes open and

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<v Speaker 1>my jaw dropped and saying I want to do this.

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<v Speaker 1>And I auditioned and I got cut, and I auditioned

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<v Speaker 1>and I got cut and the third audition. You know, luckily,

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<v Speaker 1>with dance auditions, especially once you know the combo, you

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<v Speaker 1>get cut. But you know what there, You know what

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<v Speaker 1>that combination is going to be the next time you

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<v Speaker 1>come in. So by the third time I went in,

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<v Speaker 1>I knew what I had to do, and I rehearsed

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<v Speaker 1>myself every single night leading up to that audition in

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<v Speaker 1>my bathroom with my tap shoes on. You bet you.

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<v Speaker 1>I rehearsed myself that combination in my small little bathroom,

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<v Speaker 1>and so by the time I walked into that audition,

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<v Speaker 1>my third time's a charm. I nailed the tap audition.

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<v Speaker 1>And then luckily, you know, this was for the first

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<v Speaker 1>national tour of a CEDA contract where they basically we're

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<v Speaker 1>paying us next to nothing, but it was still equity.

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<v Speaker 1>So I got my equity card, and so I got

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<v Speaker 1>the job. I was getting paid next to nothing because

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<v Speaker 1>it was a SEDA d contract, but it was equity.

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<v Speaker 1>I got my equity card and I was on tour

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<v Speaker 1>at twenty years old. Amanda Clutes, if you're enjoying this conversation,

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<v Speaker 1>tell a friend and be sure to follow. Here's the

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<v Speaker 1>thing on the I Heart radio app, Spotify or wherever

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<v Speaker 1>you get your podcasts. When we come back, Amanda Clutes

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<v Speaker 1>shares with us the challenges and surprising silver linings of

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<v Speaker 1>being a single parent. I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening

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<v Speaker 1>to here's the thing. Before Amanda Clutes was a Broadway

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<v Speaker 1>a dancer, she was a Radio City rockette. The world's

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<v Speaker 1>most iconic precision dance company made a big impression upon

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<v Speaker 1>her at a young age. We took a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>family trips to New York as kids, and one of

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<v Speaker 1>the times that we went to New York, the Rockets

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<v Speaker 1>were doing their Easter Show, which this is taking us

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<v Speaker 1>back to like six right. He took us to the

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<v Speaker 1>Easter Show. In the minute that curtain went up and

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<v Speaker 1>I saw them, you know, live, because I had watched

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<v Speaker 1>the Rockets every Thanksgiving morning on you know, the Macy's

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Thanksgiving Day parade. I was like, this is what I

0:23:33.520 --> 0:23:35.560
<v Speaker 1>want to do. But you also have to realize I'm

0:23:35.640 --> 0:23:38.280
<v Speaker 1>five ten and I was a dancer, so you know,

0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:41.800
<v Speaker 1>I looked at them on TV and I identified with them.

0:23:41.840 --> 0:23:43.639
<v Speaker 1>I was like, I could do that. I could be

0:23:43.760 --> 0:23:48.720
<v Speaker 1>her driving a bucket of golf balls for you. Nothing. Well,

0:23:48.760 --> 0:23:51.520
<v Speaker 1>it was again, it was a hard audition. I auditioned

0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:54.400
<v Speaker 1>twice before I got the job. Again, I'm a third

0:23:54.400 --> 0:23:56.520
<v Speaker 1>time's kind of charm kind of girl, I guess, but

0:23:56.680 --> 0:23:59.520
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was There's nothing like being a Radio

0:23:59.560 --> 0:24:03.280
<v Speaker 1>City get at Radio City Music Hall performing that Christmas show.

0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:06.720
<v Speaker 1>I mean it was you know, my whole family was

0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.960
<v Speaker 1>there opening night, and that's just iconic. You know, not

0:24:10.040 --> 0:24:11.960
<v Speaker 1>too many people can say that they were a Radio

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:14.840
<v Speaker 1>City Rocket. Well, there's when I would do shows on Broadway,

0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:16.880
<v Speaker 1>and I remember when there were not all of them,

0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:19.560
<v Speaker 1>certainly and certainly in every performance, but there were times

0:24:19.560 --> 0:24:22.280
<v Speaker 1>I would get so emotional. Yeah, we take the curtain

0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:24.360
<v Speaker 1>goal and I thought I was going to burst out crying. Yeah,

0:24:24.480 --> 0:24:26.000
<v Speaker 1>And I thought, how many more of these do I

0:24:26.040 --> 0:24:28.520
<v Speaker 1>have left? But this shows that the show is not

0:24:28.560 --> 0:24:32.280
<v Speaker 1>going to run forever. I did shows where I had

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:34.440
<v Speaker 1>a limited run. I'd be like, you know, all in

0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:37.480
<v Speaker 1>after like twenty weeks or whatever, twenty five weeks, and

0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:40.919
<v Speaker 1>I would and just the tradition, the glory. When I

0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:43.159
<v Speaker 1>did my last performance, I did street Car named Desire

0:24:44.440 --> 0:24:46.399
<v Speaker 1>and we did the last show, I was sobbing. I

0:24:46.400 --> 0:24:48.840
<v Speaker 1>mean I went in my room. I sobbed. I said,

0:24:48.880 --> 0:24:50.760
<v Speaker 1>I'm never going to play this guy again. I'm already

0:24:50.760 --> 0:24:53.040
<v Speaker 1>too old to play him. I was thirty four, Brandon

0:24:53.160 --> 0:24:55.400
<v Speaker 1>was twenty four, you know, and I thought to myself,

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:57.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm too old. I'll never play the Sain. I thought, God,

0:24:57.800 --> 0:25:00.800
<v Speaker 1>this has been the opportunity of a lifetime. It's crazy, right,

0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:04.760
<v Speaker 1>Why do you think Broadway hits like nothing else? And

0:25:04.840 --> 0:25:07.679
<v Speaker 1>yet like the thought of going back and doing a

0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:13.879
<v Speaker 1>Broadway show, I'm like, no, no, I can't really, Yeah,

0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:15.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I think I think about eight shows

0:25:15.960 --> 0:25:19.320
<v Speaker 1>a week, and I think about missing dinners and missing holidays,

0:25:19.480 --> 0:25:22.560
<v Speaker 1>and I'm like, I'm like, I don't know how I

0:25:22.600 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 1>did that. I don't know how I did that. That

0:25:24.720 --> 0:25:30.320
<v Speaker 1>includes you owe everything to Broadwastadway and you're out there like, oh,

0:25:30.400 --> 0:25:34.280
<v Speaker 1>You're like, you're like Brando now brand the Broadway. Then

0:25:34.320 --> 0:25:36.600
<v Speaker 1>he got up there on mom Holland Drive. You'd be

0:25:36.640 --> 0:25:39.240
<v Speaker 1>careful or you're gonna be three pounds in the mom

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:43.240
<v Speaker 1>on the phone with your lawyer all day. I'm telling you,

0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:45.879
<v Speaker 1>I know. That's what I'm saying. I look at my

0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:47.959
<v Speaker 1>Broadway years and I want I do the same thing.

0:25:48.000 --> 0:25:50.119
<v Speaker 1>I want to cry at some of those memories and

0:25:50.160 --> 0:25:52.280
<v Speaker 1>the people, and I love it and I miss it.

0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:54.960
<v Speaker 1>Yet the thought of going back and doing it is like,

0:25:55.000 --> 0:25:56.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I couldn't do on a show

0:25:56.400 --> 0:26:00.399
<v Speaker 1>on broad Bay in September. You are congratulations social media

0:26:00.520 --> 0:26:02.439
<v Speaker 1>is how it was first introduced to you. Because obviously

0:26:02.520 --> 0:26:06.240
<v Speaker 1>what happened with your husband and I was just I mean,

0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:10.400
<v Speaker 1>like like countless millions of people around the world. Everybody

0:26:10.480 --> 0:26:13.840
<v Speaker 1>was very just chattered by all that and how prolonged

0:26:13.880 --> 0:26:17.119
<v Speaker 1>it was and so forth. But social media has is

0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 1>a big arrow in your quiver, correct. I mean you're

0:26:20.400 --> 0:26:24.399
<v Speaker 1>you're very active on social media in terms of your emotions. Yeah,

0:26:24.480 --> 0:26:27.160
<v Speaker 1>I am. You know, it started with running a fitness

0:26:27.160 --> 0:26:33.119
<v Speaker 1>company over Instagram. You know, that's how I started using Instagram.

0:26:33.160 --> 0:26:37.800
<v Speaker 1>I have seven hundred and some thousand, but you know,

0:26:37.920 --> 0:26:40.719
<v Speaker 1>I mean that's how I was running my fitness company.

0:26:40.880 --> 0:26:43.680
<v Speaker 1>I mean it's free marketing. Sometimes I can't believe that

0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:47.200
<v Speaker 1>Instagram exists in that way. I mean I was running

0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 1>a whole company without having to spend a dime on marketing,

0:26:51.280 --> 0:26:54.520
<v Speaker 1>and so yes, I I do. I owe a lot

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:58.040
<v Speaker 1>to that platform. And then you know, with Nick, I

0:26:58.040 --> 0:27:01.399
<v Speaker 1>mean the community and the support that I received, the

0:27:01.600 --> 0:27:05.560
<v Speaker 1>medical advice, the advice on Elvis and everything. I mean,

0:27:07.359 --> 0:27:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the help. It was crazy. And you're gonna ask you

0:27:10.800 --> 0:27:13.879
<v Speaker 1>as a single mom. You you mean, people look at

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:18.880
<v Speaker 1>you and they say, here's this gorgeous talented, you know

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:20.840
<v Speaker 1>many things, and some people look at you and go

0:27:20.960 --> 0:27:23.800
<v Speaker 1>and she's a single mom. That's a big identifier. If

0:27:23.840 --> 0:27:25.720
<v Speaker 1>you like what you endure to now you have your

0:27:25.760 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 1>son would have been some of the special things you've

0:27:28.800 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 1>had to adapt to for that in terms of raising

0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:34.080
<v Speaker 1>your child. And what's I don't want to say advice,

0:27:34.119 --> 0:27:36.919
<v Speaker 1>but what are some observations you have for other single

0:27:37.000 --> 0:27:40.639
<v Speaker 1>moms who are working moms like you? You know, I

0:27:40.680 --> 0:27:43.119
<v Speaker 1>think one of the because I love to find a

0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:47.600
<v Speaker 1>blessing or silver lining in everything, because you know, obviously

0:27:47.640 --> 0:27:49.919
<v Speaker 1>I didn't ever expect to be a single mom or

0:27:50.000 --> 0:27:53.240
<v Speaker 1>raise Elvis on my own. But you know, the bond

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:57.200
<v Speaker 1>that Elvis and I have it is it's crazy. It's

0:27:57.240 --> 0:28:01.399
<v Speaker 1>really crazy. I mean we are so we're best friends.

0:28:01.480 --> 0:28:06.200
<v Speaker 1>And he I think, because thank you, he's the particle

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:09.400
<v Speaker 1>collider with the two of you. It's crazy. He looks

0:28:09.440 --> 0:28:11.440
<v Speaker 1>like the two of you. Yeah, he does, he really

0:28:11.440 --> 0:28:13.919
<v Speaker 1>really does. He's a he's a good mega mix. But

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:17.560
<v Speaker 1>you know, he he's a really chill kid. And I

0:28:17.600 --> 0:28:21.119
<v Speaker 1>think it's because in our house it's just him and

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:23.600
<v Speaker 1>I and I play music a lot in the house,

0:28:23.760 --> 0:28:27.600
<v Speaker 1>and you know, there's there's no other. I am the

0:28:27.680 --> 0:28:30.879
<v Speaker 1>voice of reason, I am the boss. I am you know,

0:28:31.720 --> 0:28:34.719
<v Speaker 1>he plays well by himself. He's very independent because he

0:28:34.760 --> 0:28:37.359
<v Speaker 1>recognizes when I'm doing something that he goes and does

0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:41.720
<v Speaker 1>something else. He's I think, an old soul because of

0:28:41.880 --> 0:28:44.040
<v Speaker 1>a lot of this and the fact that you know,

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I've pretty much been a single mom since Nick went

0:28:46.080 --> 0:28:48.960
<v Speaker 1>into the hospital, so he was ten months old, and um,

0:28:49.000 --> 0:28:52.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, we just communicate really well together. It's very beautiful.

0:28:52.920 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 1>It's sad. Obviously, I wish Nick was here, and and

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:58.280
<v Speaker 1>there's times where I I longed to look over in

0:28:58.480 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 1>him and see him playing with his dad and what

0:29:01.320 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 1>that would look like and what they'd be doing. And

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>you know, I think for single moms, another single mom

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.240
<v Speaker 1>said this to me, and I'll never forget it because

0:29:10.280 --> 0:29:13.120
<v Speaker 1>it's sometimes hard to put into words how you feel

0:29:13.160 --> 0:29:17.560
<v Speaker 1>sometimes and it no one sees the times that you're

0:29:17.640 --> 0:29:21.920
<v Speaker 1>just struggling, whereas when your partner is there, they see

0:29:21.960 --> 0:29:24.960
<v Speaker 1>the struggle and they go, honey, I got it. Take

0:29:25.000 --> 0:29:28.120
<v Speaker 1>a minute, go shower, I got Elvis, go breathe take

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:30.560
<v Speaker 1>a second. I got it. And when you're a single mom,

0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 1>nobody's there to help you with those situations and so

0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 1>nobody sees it. And it's really tough because sometimes you

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:41.040
<v Speaker 1>just are like I wish I could take a shower

0:29:41.080 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 1>without a toddler opening up the shower curtain every two

0:29:44.080 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 1>seconds and dumping his toys in the bath, or you know,

0:29:47.880 --> 0:29:49.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, or just like you're trying to get out

0:29:49.880 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 1>of the house and you know, something spills and there's

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:55.400
<v Speaker 1>nobody there to help you. I have six kids, yeah,

0:29:55.520 --> 0:29:58.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean, so I don't do anything I want to do,

0:29:58.760 --> 0:30:02.440
<v Speaker 1>but I dream about. Now to two quick things. I

0:30:02.480 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 1>assume the Dancing with the Stars is a different animal.

0:30:05.720 --> 0:30:08.160
<v Speaker 1>Here you are a professional dancer and you're a rocket,

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:10.120
<v Speaker 1>and you've been dancing your whole life, and then you're

0:30:10.120 --> 0:30:12.440
<v Speaker 1>on Broadway. And then I thought to myself, well, it's

0:30:12.560 --> 0:30:15.480
<v Speaker 1>dancing with the stars, like the difference between Olympic wrestling

0:30:15.520 --> 0:30:19.520
<v Speaker 1>and professional wrestling. Is it dancing that you were used

0:30:19.520 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 1>to or what adjustments did you have to make to

0:30:21.760 --> 0:30:25.040
<v Speaker 1>do that show. Here's the best analogy I've discovered and

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 1>how to how to how to understand this? So Alec Baldwin,

0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 1>you are a NFL quarterback, all right, You're really good

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:37.960
<v Speaker 1>at it. You know what you're doing but on Sunday

0:30:38.000 --> 0:30:40.480
<v Speaker 1>they hand you a golf ball and a club and

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:42.800
<v Speaker 1>they say, you are going to go up against Tiger

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 1>Woods next Sunday. You have to be ready. We're gonna

0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:47.360
<v Speaker 1>give you the outfit. We're gonna give you the course,

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>and you have to you have to go, and you

0:30:48.920 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 1>play a whole whole game. The whole world's gonna judge you,

0:30:51.680 --> 0:30:54.680
<v Speaker 1>and everyone's going to vote on how well you did. Alright, ready, great,

0:30:54.720 --> 0:30:56.760
<v Speaker 1>go And then you're like, I have a week and

0:30:56.800 --> 0:30:59.320
<v Speaker 1>you're like yes. And then on that Sunday they hand

0:30:59.360 --> 0:31:02.160
<v Speaker 1>you a basketball and they go, okay, great, Now, next

0:31:02.160 --> 0:31:04.840
<v Speaker 1>Sunday you're gonna be playing in an NBA game against

0:31:04.880 --> 0:31:08.400
<v Speaker 1>Lebron James. Here's your uniform and here's the basketball. You

0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:10.680
<v Speaker 1>have a week to learn how to be an NBA player.

0:31:10.720 --> 0:31:13.160
<v Speaker 1>And you're like, no, no, no, I don't play basketball.

0:31:13.160 --> 0:31:16.400
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you play football, Yeah, but I don't play basketball.

0:31:16.440 --> 0:31:19.240
<v Speaker 1>This is a whole different set of skills. It doesn't matter.

0:31:19.280 --> 0:31:21.200
<v Speaker 1>Let's go. You have a w referring to the style

0:31:21.240 --> 0:31:25.080
<v Speaker 1>of yeah, and just how how I can be a

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:27.840
<v Speaker 1>dancer and I can be a Broadway dancer. But they

0:31:27.920 --> 0:31:30.080
<v Speaker 1>put ballroom shoes on you and tell you to tango.

0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>It's not the same thing, so that that's the best

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.760
<v Speaker 1>way to describe it. And you know, some people will

0:31:36.800 --> 0:31:38.959
<v Speaker 1>be like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm like, okay,

0:31:39.000 --> 0:31:42.000
<v Speaker 1>but really try to put yourself in those shoes, and

0:31:42.000 --> 0:31:43.960
<v Speaker 1>and then you try to, and then you can sort

0:31:44.000 --> 0:31:47.160
<v Speaker 1>of understand. Well, when I look at you and I've

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:49.160
<v Speaker 1>seen you online, when you turned up on that show,

0:31:49.200 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh my god, it's perfect. So that's

0:31:53.120 --> 0:31:56.960
<v Speaker 1>perfect because those shows you need to have some positivity.

0:31:57.360 --> 0:32:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Warmth thought to myself, My god, you're so buoyant. You

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 1>went through this thing, and the world watched you go

0:32:04.360 --> 0:32:07.400
<v Speaker 1>through this thing, and you shared what you wanted to share.

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:10.200
<v Speaker 1>This is my opinion, my observation, and you didn't share

0:32:10.200 --> 0:32:12.360
<v Speaker 1>what you didn't want to share. And I guess I

0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:16.080
<v Speaker 1>mean your your buoyancy, your positivity is one of your

0:32:16.120 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 1>calling cards. And people really admire how you've come out

0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 1>of this. You know, and you want to live, you

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>want to keep living. What do you want Elvis to

0:32:25.080 --> 0:32:31.520
<v Speaker 1>know most about Nick? Mm hmm. You know, I think

0:32:31.720 --> 0:32:36.520
<v Speaker 1>you know, Nick had so many different colors to him,

0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 1>and I hope that he'll learn all about those colors.

0:32:41.240 --> 0:32:44.360
<v Speaker 1>I was listening to a podcast and um, the guy

0:32:44.400 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 1>that was being interviewed, he said that he lost his

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:50.240
<v Speaker 1>mom at age one, and so then my ears immediately

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:53.320
<v Speaker 1>peeked up because Elvis was one. And he said, the

0:32:53.360 --> 0:32:56.080
<v Speaker 1>interesting thing about when you lose a parent at such

0:32:56.120 --> 0:33:00.160
<v Speaker 1>a young age is that every time somebody tell as

0:33:00.160 --> 0:33:05.040
<v Speaker 1>you a story about your mom or your dad. For Elvis,

0:33:05.080 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 1>that's how you learn about the person. He said, So

0:33:08.200 --> 0:33:10.840
<v Speaker 1>I've come to put together the image of my mother

0:33:11.200 --> 0:33:13.520
<v Speaker 1>just based on all these stories from all the different

0:33:13.560 --> 0:33:16.320
<v Speaker 1>people in her life. And I was like hit by

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:18.560
<v Speaker 1>a tongue of bricks because I was like, Wow, that

0:33:18.640 --> 0:33:21.200
<v Speaker 1>will be Elvis one day. He'll learn about his dad

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:25.240
<v Speaker 1>through stories from me, through stories from his grandma, stories

0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:28.360
<v Speaker 1>from his friends. And you know, I can't tell the

0:33:28.400 --> 0:33:30.880
<v Speaker 1>same stories that his best buddy from Toronto is going

0:33:30.920 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 1>to tell him, you know what I mean, I'm gonna

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:37.000
<v Speaker 1>have completely different stories, and I just my greatest hope

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 1>is that he learns all of those stories, because that

0:33:40.000 --> 0:33:43.720
<v Speaker 1>truly was Nick. He was such a kaleidoscope of talent

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:50.680
<v Speaker 1>and people and personality and charisma. It just he you

0:33:50.680 --> 0:33:54.320
<v Speaker 1>couldn't pin him down. And I think That's what made

0:33:54.400 --> 0:33:58.400
<v Speaker 1>him so talented and loved by so many people. You know,

0:33:58.600 --> 0:34:00.920
<v Speaker 1>he was a rock star, and then he was also

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:05.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, fucking awesome, you know, actor on Broadway or

0:34:05.400 --> 0:34:07.680
<v Speaker 1>on Law and Order or Blue Bloods or you know,

0:34:07.760 --> 0:34:10.560
<v Speaker 1>all the things he did. I want him to know

0:34:10.640 --> 0:34:12.920
<v Speaker 1>all those people. And you know, of course, my biggest

0:34:12.960 --> 0:34:15.200
<v Speaker 1>fear is that by the time he gets to eight,

0:34:15.239 --> 0:34:17.800
<v Speaker 1>I'm to forget things. You know, like you you worry

0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:21.319
<v Speaker 1>that you forget you know, or what you will forget. Well,

0:34:22.200 --> 0:34:24.360
<v Speaker 1>I sympathize because I had so many kids late in

0:34:24.400 --> 0:34:26.239
<v Speaker 1>life and so much of my career is behind me.

0:34:26.600 --> 0:34:28.600
<v Speaker 1>And my greatest fear is like I'm gonna be in

0:34:28.640 --> 0:34:31.200
<v Speaker 1>a wheelchair and my people can be like, here's my dad.

0:34:31.480 --> 0:34:33.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, like drooling on myself with a blanket. They're

0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:35.800
<v Speaker 1>gonna this is my dad. He played Trump on TV.

0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:38.640
<v Speaker 1>He was Trump. That's all they're going to remember. Let

0:34:38.640 --> 0:34:41.200
<v Speaker 1>me just tell you something. I'm a fan. I watched

0:34:41.200 --> 0:34:43.560
<v Speaker 1>you go through what you went through. I thought, here's

0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:46.839
<v Speaker 1>this woman who's struggling with this really painful situation, and

0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:51.000
<v Speaker 1>I am so inspired by you. Thank you, Alex. It

0:34:51.040 --> 0:34:55.000
<v Speaker 1>seems to me that there are other communities that respond

0:34:55.080 --> 0:34:57.319
<v Speaker 1>in kind. But there are a few though, like the

0:34:57.360 --> 0:35:02.440
<v Speaker 1>Broadway theater community in terms of rallying around there kindred spirits.

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<v Speaker 1>And I'm sure you were really just enveloped in a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of care when that was all happening. Correct, Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, yeah, I mean, you know, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>that I even realized how amazing the Broadway community was

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<v Speaker 1>until that happened. And it was like this instant you know, family,

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<v Speaker 1>even shows that Nick and I weren't even a part of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, reached out to me to try to help.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the shows that you are a part of,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and you know, like they really do become

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<v Speaker 1>family members. Like just where when above and beyond I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>still to this day are going above and beyond to

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<v Speaker 1>help me and Elvis if we ever need anything. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so special. You know. I've had people who I'm

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<v Speaker 1>very close with who passed away. And my dad died

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<v Speaker 1>when I was twenty five, and I was very close

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<v Speaker 1>to my dad, and I friend, my friend said to me,

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<v Speaker 1>he said, remember it was life is for the living.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to keep going. And I admire you. I

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<v Speaker 1>admire you for how you've carried on and pressed on

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<v Speaker 1>and kept going. Thank you so much, Amanda Clutes. This

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<v Speaker 1>episode was produced by Kathleen Russo, Zach McNeese, and Maureen Hoban.

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<v Speaker 1>Our engineer is Frank Imperial. I'm Alec Baldwin. Here's the

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