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Speaker 1: This is Alec Baldwin and you were listening to hear

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Speaker 1: the thing from My Heart Radio. You may know the

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Speaker 1: name Amanda Clutes from the daily social media dispatches she

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Speaker 1: released while her husband, Nick Cordero, Broadway star and Tony nominee,

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Speaker 1: battled COVID in early a fight he sadly lost in

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Speaker 1: July of that year. But she did not take these

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Speaker 1: events lying down or spend her time idly after his passing.

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Speaker 1: Amanda Clutes is a woman of boundless positivity and innumerable talents.

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Speaker 1: She's a dancer, fitness entrepreneur, and television co host of

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Speaker 1: The Talk on CBS. Clutes was also a contestant on

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Speaker 1: Dancing with the Stars, and she's the author of Live

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Speaker 1: Your Life, My Story of Loving and Losing Nick Cordero.

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Speaker 1: All of this on top of being a single mom

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Speaker 1: to her young son Elvis, to what had Frankly, Amanda

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Speaker 1: Clutes is a force. I wanted to know how this

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Speaker 1: Broadway veteran and longtime New York resident made her transition

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Speaker 1: my sisters, Yes, and my sisters were down the streets.

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Speaker 1: So in the city, in the city. What were your

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Speaker 1: And so I was like, Nick, I don't think this

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Speaker 1: it's it's exactly, it's laughable to talk. Come wants to talk,

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Speaker 1: about it. When you get this job, you hadn't done

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Speaker 1: anything like this before, correct, No, not really. I mean

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Speaker 1: Rosie O'donnald. The club owner called me again, Richie and said,

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Speaker 1: And they didn't you hear those? Because they were laughing

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Speaker 1: To hear more of my conversation with the versatile Rosie

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Speaker 1: O'donnald go to Here's the Thing dot org. After the break,

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Speaker 1: Amanda Clutes reveals the musical theater role from her days

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Speaker 1: in Ohio that sealed her fate. I'm Alec Baldwin and

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Speaker 1: you're listening to Here's the Thing. Amanda Clutes, best telling

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Speaker 1: author and fitness entrepreneur, landed a hosting gig on CBS

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Speaker 1: The night before, your inboxes flooded with emails and links

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Speaker 1: to the screeners. If there is somebody that's promoting a book,

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Speaker 1: paying us next to nothing, but it was still equity.

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Speaker 1: So I got my equity card, and so I got

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Speaker 1: the job. I was getting paid next to nothing because

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Speaker 1: it was a SEDA d contract, but it was equity.

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Speaker 1: I got my equity card and I was on tour

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Speaker 1: at twenty years old. Amanda Clutes, if you're enjoying this conversation,

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Speaker 1: tell a friend and be sure to follow. Here's the

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Speaker 1: thing on the I Heart radio app, Spotify or wherever

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Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. When we come back, Amanda Clutes

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Speaker 1: shares with us the challenges and surprising silver linings of

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Speaker 1: being a single parent. I'm Alec Baldwin and you're listening

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Speaker 1: to here's the thing. Before Amanda Clutes was a Broadway

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Speaker 1: a dancer, she was a Radio City rockette. The world's

438
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:07,960
Speaker 1: most iconic precision dance company made a big impression upon

439
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Speaker 1: her at a young age. We took a lot of

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Speaker 1: family trips to New York as kids, and one of

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Speaker 1: the times that we went to New York, the Rockets

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Speaker 1: were doing their Easter Show, which this is taking us

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Speaker 1: back to like six right. He took us to the

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Speaker 1: Easter Show. In the minute that curtain went up and

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Speaker 1: I saw them, you know, live, because I had watched

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Speaker 1: the Rockets every Thanksgiving morning on you know, the Macy's

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Speaker 1: Thanksgiving Day parade. I was like, this is what I

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Speaker 1: want to do. But you also have to realize I'm

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Speaker 1: five ten and I was a dancer, so you know,

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Speaker 1: I looked at them on TV and I identified with them.

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Speaker 1: I was like, I could do that. I could be

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Speaker 1: her driving a bucket of golf balls for you. Nothing. Well,

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Speaker 1: it was again, it was a hard audition. I auditioned

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Speaker 1: twice before I got the job. Again, I'm a third

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Speaker 1: time's kind of charm kind of girl, I guess, but

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Speaker 1: I mean it was There's nothing like being a Radio

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Speaker 1: City get at Radio City Music Hall performing that Christmas show.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was you know, my whole family was

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Speaker 1: there opening night, and that's just iconic. You know, not

460
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Speaker 1: too many people can say that they were a Radio

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Speaker 1: City Rocket. Well, there's when I would do shows on Broadway,

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Speaker 1: and I remember when there were not all of them,

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Speaker 1: certainly and certainly in every performance, but there were times

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Speaker 1: I would get so emotional. Yeah, we take the curtain

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Speaker 1: goal and I thought I was going to burst out crying. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I thought, how many more of these do I

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Speaker 1: have left? But this shows that the show is not

468
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Speaker 1: going to run forever. I did shows where I had

469
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Speaker 1: a limited run. I'd be like, you know, all in

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Speaker 1: after like twenty weeks or whatever, twenty five weeks, and

471
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Speaker 1: I would and just the tradition, the glory. When I

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Speaker 1: did my last performance, I did street Car named Desire

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Speaker 1: and we did the last show, I was sobbing. I

474
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Speaker 1: mean I went in my room. I sobbed. I said,

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Speaker 1: I'm never going to play this guy again. I'm already

476
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Speaker 1: too old to play him. I was thirty four, Brandon

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Speaker 1: was twenty four, you know, and I thought to myself,

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Speaker 1: I'm too old. I'll never play the Sain. I thought, God,

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Speaker 1: this has been the opportunity of a lifetime. It's crazy, right,

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Speaker 1: Why do you think Broadway hits like nothing else? And

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Speaker 1: yet like the thought of going back and doing a

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Speaker 1: Broadway show, I'm like, no, no, I can't really, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I think I think about eight shows

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Speaker 1: a week, and I think about missing dinners and missing holidays,

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Speaker 1: and I'm like, I'm like, I don't know how I

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Speaker 1: did that. I don't know how I did that. That

487
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:30,320
Speaker 1: includes you owe everything to Broadwastadway and you're out there like, oh,

488
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Speaker 1: You're like, you're like Brando now brand the Broadway. Then

489
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Speaker 1: he got up there on mom Holland Drive. You'd be

490
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Speaker 1: careful or you're gonna be three pounds in the mom

491
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Speaker 1: on the phone with your lawyer all day. I'm telling you,

492
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Speaker 1: I know. That's what I'm saying. I look at my

493
00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:47,959
Speaker 1: Broadway years and I want I do the same thing.

494
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Speaker 1: I want to cry at some of those memories and

495
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Speaker 1: the people, and I love it and I miss it.

496
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 1: Yet the thought of going back and doing it is like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I couldn't do on a show

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Speaker 1: on broad Bay in September. You are congratulations social media

499
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Speaker 1: is how it was first introduced to you. Because obviously

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Speaker 1: what happened with your husband and I was just I mean,

501
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,400
Speaker 1: like like countless millions of people around the world. Everybody

502
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: was very just chattered by all that and how prolonged

503
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: it was and so forth. But social media has is

504
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: a big arrow in your quiver, correct. I mean you're

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00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: you're very active on social media in terms of your emotions. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I am. You know, it started with running a fitness

507
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: company over Instagram. You know, that's how I started using Instagram.

508
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 1: I have seven hundred and some thousand, but you know,

509
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Speaker 1: I mean that's how I was running my fitness company.

510
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 1: I mean it's free marketing. Sometimes I can't believe that

511
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Speaker 1: Instagram exists in that way. I mean I was running

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Speaker 1: a whole company without having to spend a dime on marketing,

513
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: and so yes, I I do. I owe a lot

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Speaker 1: to that platform. And then you know, with Nick, I

515
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: mean the community and the support that I received, the

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00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,560
Speaker 1: medical advice, the advice on Elvis and everything. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the help. It was crazy. And you're gonna ask you

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Speaker 1: as a single mom. You you mean, people look at

519
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:18,880
Speaker 1: you and they say, here's this gorgeous talented, you know

520
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: many things, and some people look at you and go

521
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,800
Speaker 1: and she's a single mom. That's a big identifier. If

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00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,720
Speaker 1: you like what you endure to now you have your

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Speaker 1: son would have been some of the special things you've

524
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Speaker 1: had to adapt to for that in terms of raising

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Speaker 1: your child. And what's I don't want to say advice,

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Speaker 1: but what are some observations you have for other single

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Speaker 1: moms who are working moms like you? You know, I

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00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: think one of the because I love to find a

529
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Speaker 1: blessing or silver lining in everything, because you know, obviously

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Speaker 1: I didn't ever expect to be a single mom or

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Speaker 1: raise Elvis on my own. But you know, the bond

532
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: that Elvis and I have it is it's crazy. It's

533
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Speaker 1: really crazy. I mean we are so we're best friends.

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Speaker 1: And he I think, because thank you, he's the particle

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Speaker 1: collider with the two of you. It's crazy. He looks

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Speaker 1: like the two of you. Yeah, he does, he really

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Speaker 1: really does. He's a he's a good mega mix. But

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Speaker 1: you know, he he's a really chill kid. And I

539
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Speaker 1: think it's because in our house it's just him and

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Speaker 1: I and I play music a lot in the house,

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Speaker 1: and you know, there's there's no other. I am the

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00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: voice of reason, I am the boss. I am you know,

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00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,719
Speaker 1: he plays well by himself. He's very independent because he

544
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 1: recognizes when I'm doing something that he goes and does

545
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,720
Speaker 1: something else. He's I think, an old soul because of

546
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 1: a lot of this and the fact that you know,

547
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 1: I've pretty much been a single mom since Nick went

548
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,960
Speaker 1: into the hospital, so he was ten months old, and um,

549
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: you know, we just communicate really well together. It's very beautiful.

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00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: It's sad. Obviously, I wish Nick was here, and and

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00:28:55,560 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 1: there's times where I I longed to look over in

552
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: him and see him playing with his dad and what

553
00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: that would look like and what they'd be doing. And

554
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: you know, I think for single moms, another single mom

555
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 1: said this to me, and I'll never forget it because

556
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: it's sometimes hard to put into words how you feel

557
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: sometimes and it no one sees the times that you're

558
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: just struggling, whereas when your partner is there, they see

559
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: the struggle and they go, honey, I got it. Take

560
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,120
Speaker 1: a minute, go shower, I got Elvis, go breathe take

561
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 1: a second. I got it. And when you're a single mom,

562
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: nobody's there to help you with those situations and so

563
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 1: nobody sees it. And it's really tough because sometimes you

564
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: just are like I wish I could take a shower

565
00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: without a toddler opening up the shower curtain every two

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Speaker 1: seconds and dumping his toys in the bath, or you know,

567
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: I mean, or just like you're trying to get out

568
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Speaker 1: of the house and you know, something spills and there's

569
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,400
Speaker 1: nobody there to help you. I have six kids, yeah,

570
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: I mean, so I don't do anything I want to do,

571
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: but I dream about. Now to two quick things. I

572
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: assume the Dancing with the Stars is a different animal.

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Speaker 1: Here you are a professional dancer and you're a rocket,

574
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Speaker 1: and you've been dancing your whole life, and then you're

575
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Speaker 1: on Broadway. And then I thought to myself, well, it's

576
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: dancing with the stars, like the difference between Olympic wrestling

577
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: and professional wrestling. Is it dancing that you were used

578
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: to or what adjustments did you have to make to

579
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Speaker 1: do that show. Here's the best analogy I've discovered and

580
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: how to how to how to understand this? So Alec Baldwin,

581
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Speaker 1: you are a NFL quarterback, all right, You're really good

582
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: at it. You know what you're doing but on Sunday

583
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,480
Speaker 1: they hand you a golf ball and a club and

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Speaker 1: they say, you are going to go up against Tiger

585
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Speaker 1: Woods next Sunday. You have to be ready. We're gonna

586
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,360
Speaker 1: give you the outfit. We're gonna give you the course,

587
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: and you have to you have to go, and you

588
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: play a whole whole game. The whole world's gonna judge you,

589
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 1: and everyone's going to vote on how well you did. Alright, ready, great,

590
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: go And then you're like, I have a week and

591
00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:59,320
Speaker 1: you're like yes. And then on that Sunday they hand

592
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Speaker 1: you a basketball and they go, okay, great, Now, next

593
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: Sunday you're gonna be playing in an NBA game against

594
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,400
Speaker 1: Lebron James. Here's your uniform and here's the basketball. You

595
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 1: have a week to learn how to be an NBA player.

596
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: And you're like, no, no, no, I don't play basketball.

597
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, you play football, Yeah, but I don't play basketball.

598
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,240
Speaker 1: This is a whole different set of skills. It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 1: Let's go. You have a w referring to the style

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00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: of yeah, and just how how I can be a

601
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: dancer and I can be a Broadway dancer. But they

602
00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 1: put ballroom shoes on you and tell you to tango.

603
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 1: It's not the same thing, so that that's the best

604
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 1: way to describe it. And you know, some people will

605
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 1: be like, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and I'm like, okay,

606
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: but really try to put yourself in those shoes, and

607
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: and then you try to, and then you can sort

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00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: of understand. Well, when I look at you and I've

609
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 1: seen you online, when you turned up on that show,

610
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, it's perfect. So that's

611
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: perfect because those shows you need to have some positivity.

612
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: Warmth thought to myself, My god, you're so buoyant. You

613
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: went through this thing, and the world watched you go

614
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,400
Speaker 1: through this thing, and you shared what you wanted to share.

615
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: This is my opinion, my observation, and you didn't share

616
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: what you didn't want to share. And I guess I

617
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: mean your your buoyancy, your positivity is one of your

618
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: calling cards. And people really admire how you've come out

619
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: of this. You know, and you want to live, you

620
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: want to keep living. What do you want Elvis to

621
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 1: know most about Nick? Mm hmm. You know, I think

622
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 1: you know, Nick had so many different colors to him,

623
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: and I hope that he'll learn all about those colors.

624
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: I was listening to a podcast and um, the guy

625
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 1: that was being interviewed, he said that he lost his

626
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: mom at age one, and so then my ears immediately

627
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 1: peeked up because Elvis was one. And he said, the

628
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:56,080
Speaker 1: interesting thing about when you lose a parent at such

629
00:32:56,120 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 1: a young age is that every time somebody tell as

630
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: you a story about your mom or your dad. For Elvis,

631
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: that's how you learn about the person. He said, So

632
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,840
Speaker 1: I've come to put together the image of my mother

633
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: just based on all these stories from all the different

634
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: people in her life. And I was like hit by

635
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: a tongue of bricks because I was like, Wow, that

636
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,200
Speaker 1: will be Elvis one day. He'll learn about his dad

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Speaker 1: through stories from me, through stories from his grandma, stories

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Speaker 1: from his friends. And you know, I can't tell the

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Speaker 1: same stories that his best buddy from Toronto is going

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Speaker 1: to tell him, you know what I mean, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: have completely different stories, and I just my greatest hope

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Speaker 1: is that he learns all of those stories, because that

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Speaker 1: truly was Nick. He was such a kaleidoscope of talent

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Speaker 1: and people and personality and charisma. It just he you

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Speaker 1: couldn't pin him down. And I think That's what made

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Speaker 1: him so talented and loved by so many people. You know,

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Speaker 1: he was a rock star, and then he was also

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Speaker 1: you know, fucking awesome, you know, actor on Broadway or

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Speaker 1: on Law and Order or Blue Bloods or you know,

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Speaker 1: all the things he did. I want him to know

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Speaker 1: all those people. And you know, of course, my biggest

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Speaker 1: fear is that by the time he gets to eight,

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Speaker 1: I'm to forget things. You know, like you you worry

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Speaker 1: that you forget you know, or what you will forget. Well,

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Speaker 1: I sympathize because I had so many kids late in

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Speaker 1: life and so much of my career is behind me.

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Speaker 1: And my greatest fear is like I'm gonna be in

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Speaker 1: a wheelchair and my people can be like, here's my dad.

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Speaker 1: I mean, like drooling on myself with a blanket. They're

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Speaker 1: gonna this is my dad. He played Trump on TV.

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Speaker 1: He was Trump. That's all they're going to remember. Let

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Speaker 1: me just tell you something. I'm a fan. I watched

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Speaker 1: you go through what you went through. I thought, here's

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Speaker 1: this woman who's struggling with this really painful situation, and

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Speaker 1: I am so inspired by you. Thank you, Alex. It

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Speaker 1: seems to me that there are other communities that respond

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Speaker 1: in kind. But there are a few though, like the

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Speaker 1: Broadway theater community in terms of rallying around there kindred spirits.

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Speaker 1: And I'm sure you were really just enveloped in a

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Speaker 1: lot of care when that was all happening. Correct, Oh

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Speaker 1: my god, yeah, I mean, you know, I don't think

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Speaker 1: that I even realized how amazing the Broadway community was

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Speaker 1: until that happened. And it was like this instant you know, family,

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Speaker 1: even shows that Nick and I weren't even a part of,

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Speaker 1: you know, reached out to me to try to help.

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Speaker 1: And then the shows that you are a part of,

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Speaker 1: you know, and you know, like they really do become

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Speaker 1: family members. Like just where when above and beyond I mean,

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Speaker 1: still to this day are going above and beyond to

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Speaker 1: help me and Elvis if we ever need anything. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's so special. You know. I've had people who I'm

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Speaker 1: very close with who passed away. And my dad died

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Speaker 1: when I was twenty five, and I was very close

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Speaker 1: to my dad, and I friend, my friend said to me,

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Speaker 1: he said, remember it was life is for the living.

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Speaker 1: You got to keep going. And I admire you. I

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Speaker 1: admire you for how you've carried on and pressed on

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Speaker 1: and kept going. Thank you so much, Amanda Clutes. This

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Speaker 1: episode was produced by Kathleen Russo, Zach McNeese, and Maureen Hoban.

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Speaker 1: Our engineer is Frank Imperial. I'm Alec Baldwin. Here's the

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