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Speaker 1: Yo, yo yo.

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Speaker 2: We live on location New York Cities for NBA Draft

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Speaker 2: Week twoenty twenty two. Me and the Blackest One. We

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Speaker 2: in the building today. We got a very special guest Baldwin,

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Speaker 2: New York Songs, balwy you know what I'm saying, Seton

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Speaker 2: halls On were representing here. We got a member of

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Speaker 2: the Little Playing Tribune family, knuckleheads family in the.

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Speaker 1: Building, y'all the first time. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: We got Seedon halls On, mister Jared Road and Chilling.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you, pull up ya for having me, y'all. Love man.

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Speaker 3: First of all, we like appreciate you coming on the show.

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Speaker 3: So forth on you like family. You know this is

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Speaker 3: your first time really meeting us, but you know your

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Speaker 3: sister being part of our production family and.

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Speaker 4: Yea all that.

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Speaker 1: So no, I appreciate y'all for having me.

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Speaker 4: Man, thank you for coming.

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Speaker 1: Begeny y'all show man. I've been watching, so it's been

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Speaker 1: cool to finally be full circle and be here.

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Speaker 4: Baldwin, New York. Where'st Baldwin, New York.

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Speaker 1: It's in Long Island, little all, Long Island.

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Speaker 4: Long Hall.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, how is It's all right?

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Speaker 1: It's like, it's pretty diverse area. It's pretty chill suburbs.

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Speaker 1: It's not too crazy. It's not like the hood or

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Speaker 1: nothing like that. But yeah, man, it has its ups

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Speaker 1: and downs. Like when I was real, real young, there

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Speaker 1: was some stuff going on, but as I got a

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Speaker 1: little older, it cleaned up a lot on which I

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Speaker 1: diversity there being around so many different cultures growing up.

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Speaker 1: I think that allowed me to really change my viewpoint

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Speaker 1: on life a little bit and having some people similar

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Speaker 1: telling myself.

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Speaker 3: Let's talk about the road, like in high school and

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Speaker 3: you know you played there for two years.

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Speaker 4: How was that for?

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Speaker 1: Man? It was crazy? Like I started off, you know,

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Speaker 1: my zone school where I was comfortable with my family

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Speaker 1: support and all that. And you know, the stigma in

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Speaker 1: New York is like if you not from the city,

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Speaker 1: you not like that for you.

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Speaker 3: So you always wanted to play them city boy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to get at them, so like I

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Speaker 1: had to outsource myself a little bit. So I'm like, nah, man,

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Speaker 1: I got to be out So I had opportunity to

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Speaker 1: play at a prep school and our Silver Lutheran in

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Speaker 1: the Bronx where I just like extended myself, took the risk,

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Speaker 1: bet on myself, man, and I just took the opportunity

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Speaker 1: and I went to go bang up on them city kids.

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Speaker 1: How was that being in the program that was brand new?

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Speaker 1: Though it was different, Man, I was a setence stone

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Speaker 1: for real. So Coach Pete Pete way pretty known in

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Speaker 1: the city right now, one of the best coaches high

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Speaker 1: school coaches out there right now. He put all his

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Speaker 1: you to be the staple. I want you to be

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Speaker 1: sil Lutheran. You know what I'm saying. So I took

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Speaker 1: that as an honor and I'm like, hey, man, I'm

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Speaker 1: pushing me every day and just trying to create something, man, Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, in New York, we was the only independent

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Speaker 1: we played a national schedule. We was taking buses to

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Speaker 1: you got the archbishops to Christ, the Kings and all that.

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Speaker 1: But you trying to make our own name and our

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Speaker 3: How was it for you before COVID and after COVID,

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Speaker 3: because like you, you're a special breed, like you in

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Speaker 3: the process of your career doing COVID.

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Speaker 1: For sure, it was tough, man. I mean a lot

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Speaker 1: of dark days, bro, can't find a gym, you know,

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Speaker 1: just figuring it out, man. And I think the biggest

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Speaker 1: thing was like mental health, you know, trying to stay

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Speaker 1: stimulated by other people. You know, you're chilling with your boys,

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Speaker 1: so many more family members. But for me, I was

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Speaker 3: So it was the good part of COVID was you

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Speaker 1: I think like for me, I was like twenty twenty

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Speaker 1: good chance for me to just like have a standstill moment.

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Speaker 1: All the outside noise was chilled out for a little while,

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Speaker 1: when I really realized, I gotta turn this basketball thing

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Speaker 1: up another notch, and like, right now it could be

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Speaker 1: advantage and be like, Yo, I'm gona put into work

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Speaker 3: So that's what you came out of COVID, Like focus

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Speaker 4: He did everything.

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Speaker 1: It was tough, Like I found myself a little like

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Speaker 1: I forgot how to you know, communicate to my friends. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm just thankful, Like if you got the right people

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Speaker 1: when did you get to work out with mellow Damn?

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Speaker 1: A couple of times. So I was really young when

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Speaker 1: I was really nice to be the ball boy for

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Speaker 1: was just a crazy experience, you know, being a young

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Speaker 1: teaching me, talking shit, and like, yeah, it was it

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Speaker 1: like you know, meeting the dude like Mellow and he's

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Speaker 3: How was it like being that Seaton Hall the school,

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Speaker 4: And yeah, yeah, how was it like playing that?

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Speaker 1: It was dope, man. I mean that was the main

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Speaker 1: reason why I chose it was because it was hometown.

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Speaker 1: You know, I got a chance to stay close to

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Speaker 1: my family, my people's They got a chance to see

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Speaker 1: me play, and I think they fit. They just fit

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Speaker 1: my style like that hard nose, play hard, play with energy,

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Speaker 1: play with passion. That's what I was built on. That's

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Speaker 1: how That's the only way I know how to play

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Speaker 1: and know how to move, And that's just what that

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Speaker 1: My coach, Shahein Holloway, who was, you know, one of

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Speaker 1: You got Isaiah Whiteheads, you know, you got so many dudes, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Talk about the process and you going through the combine

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Speaker 2: because you had to go through the G League route

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Speaker 2: then NAGA to the regular NBA. Talk about that process

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Speaker 2: because that's something that's new.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I call it the triple Crown. So I

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Speaker 1: started off for the G League. I started off at Portsmouth.

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Speaker 1: It's basically invitation, right, so you get the top high

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Speaker 1: go to the Combine. So it was only like me.

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Speaker 1: It was only me and two other dudes that did

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Bro, like.

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Speaker 1: Coming out when I made that decision that I wasn't

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Speaker 1: going back. Bro, I'm like, no, I'm locked in on it.

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Speaker 1: Like if I'm gonna do it, I'm doing it.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go test.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you get the Grizzly Will the Battle Test. But

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Speaker 1: that's what I've been trying to show everybody that that's

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Speaker 1: what I'm about. That's who I am. Like, that's just me.

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Speaker 1: Like whatever situation you put me in, I don't care

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Speaker 1: where I'm playing. Care if I'm playing the park, I

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Speaker 1: don't care if I'm playing in gym, front of the

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Speaker 1: NBA execs, whoever. It is, Like, put me out there, Bro,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill and I'm gonna show you that I'm

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Speaker 1: a dog. I'm gonna play hard, and you're gonna love

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Speaker 1: my energy and my passion and what I do with

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Speaker 1: the game, so you're gonna fiell me regardless. And I

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Speaker 1: just kept making jumps incrementally improving, and that's what I've

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Speaker 1: been trying to show through this process. It's better on myself.

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Speaker 3: How did you feel like teams received you, like by

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Speaker 3: the end of your whole journey, through the whole process,

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Speaker 3: how do you feel like a couple of teams, I

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Speaker 3: felt like they liked you a lot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think a lot of them were shocked by

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Speaker 1: how good I actually was, just because, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: then I think when you see me up close and

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Speaker 3: What you're gonna do for your draft process, Like you

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Speaker 4: How do you.

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Speaker 3: Feel about your sister working with the number one podcast

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Speaker 1: Hey man, that's so dope. She'd be telling me some

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Speaker 3: It's more about qutough right shoots about me out the

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Speaker 4: They're more about Quto right.

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Speaker 1: I heard both.

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Speaker 3: I ain't gonnaut you words of me chill out, Bro,

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Speaker 3: But so who are some of the guys that you

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Speaker 1: Man. I mean growing up, I was obsessed with Kobe,

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Speaker 3: I know when I played, I couldn't wait to play

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Speaker 3: You know, those Saint Louis boys, you know, tough.

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Speaker 3: So you probably haven't already played in the garden, Yeah

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Speaker 1: And true, I would love to play in the Staples Center.

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Speaker 2: But that's my favorite, all time favorite rental. Even though

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Speaker 2: you're gonna be fine. That's a piece of advice because

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Speaker 4: Like I used to hate, like camps and all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: They used to always like put a bunch of kids

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Speaker 3: trying to shoot the rock.

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Speaker 4: No, don't want to like to play in three different sessions.

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Speaker 1: With everybody doing the same, everybody.

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Speaker 3: Trying to get a million dollar ticket. Like how like

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Speaker 3: just tell me to like the process, like how the

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Speaker 3: coaching be. How like when you go out there, like

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Speaker 3: you were like, shit, I'm just gonna play hard if

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Speaker 3: they passed it to me or not, or or you

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Speaker 3: try to make oh man, I feel the lane all

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Speaker 3: the time, like there'll just be a lot of extra

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Speaker 3: stuff be going on. And I know you see a

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Speaker 3: lot of extra stuff going on within the process, especially

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Speaker 3: starting all away from the bottom. But just telling us

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Speaker 3: like that make it that much harder, Yeah, they make

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Speaker 3: it that much harder.

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Speaker 1: Everybody thirsty as fun for sure, And that's what I

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Speaker 1: was trying to do, Like I'm trying to show everybody

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Speaker 1: all the other stuff, Like I feel like they all

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Speaker 1: gonna know everyone's gonna try to go out there and

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Speaker 1: shoot everyone trying to be ball dominant tribble and go

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Speaker 1: get a bucket. Yeah, I was trying show I'm doing

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Speaker 1: everything else. I'm gonna get that rebound. I'm dibb on

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Speaker 1: the floor. We get that still, Like that's how I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna make my mark and make my name And everywhere

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Speaker 1: I went, I did that exact thing, and I'm trying

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Speaker 1: to master that. I'm trying to be the master like

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Speaker 1: the intangibles, Like I'm gonna be someone that you know

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Speaker 1: you can count on me to do all of that.

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Speaker 1: Like I ain't gonna show up on the box score,

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Speaker 1: I ain't gonna wil you. But you know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day, you're gonna feel me

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Speaker 1: like you're gonna know like, oh, then he.

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Speaker 4: Figured my name when you left the game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he played hard as hell, like I want him

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Speaker 1: on my team. That's that's what you're gonna see when

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Speaker 1: you watch me so and making the right play.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So you know I had some dudes on my team

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Speaker 1: for sure. It was you know, trying to get theirs

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Speaker 1: and but yeah, like I feel like that don't really

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Speaker 1: affect my game too much because you're gonna feel me

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Speaker 1: in other ways.

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Speaker 3: Who kind of taught you that discipline, Like who kind

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Speaker 3: of instilled it in you?

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Speaker 1: Like, I think it's a it's a credit to a

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Speaker 1: couple of people, bro like my pops. I think my

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Speaker 1: early trainers, John Arnold, someone who's a big advocate for

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Speaker 1: me growing up. He just always believed in me. He

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Speaker 1: always believed in my work, and you know, always taught

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Speaker 1: me to do all that stuff, you know when my

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Speaker 1: shot not falling, just you know, affect the game other ways.

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Speaker 1: Heat Away my high school coach, I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: like I said before, he he changed my life, like

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Speaker 1: taking me in and you know, putting the whole school

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Speaker 1: on my back kind of and just putting the keys

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Speaker 1: in my hands. I think I learned and matured so much,

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Speaker 1: and just you know, I learned to let a game

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Speaker 1: in a different light than just scoring. And uh that's

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Speaker 1: how I just felt in love with the game for real,

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Speaker 1: just from those people just collectively giving me information.

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Speaker 3: What are some of your memories from drafts before you

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Speaker 3: you know, do you remember what drafts you remember? Because

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Speaker 3: you twenty two, Like I'm twenty two years out. I

496
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Speaker 3: got drafted in two thousand. My suit might look black

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Speaker 3: and white.

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Speaker 1: You bring that type of stuff, baggy baggy suit.

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Speaker 4: It was like a box cheavy. It was really you know,

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Speaker 4: just you know.

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Speaker 3: But what are some of your memories from the drafts

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Speaker 3: that you've seen those years?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Man, I think the one that sticks out to

504
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Speaker 1: me is really last year. That's crazy. I had took

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Speaker 1: a video on my Snapchat and I'm like, yo, bro,

506
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Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be here next year, and I hold

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Speaker 1: myself the past two years. I did it because I

508
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Speaker 1: saw it again. I'm like, yo, I'm gonna do it again.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just remember that, keep that in the back

510
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Speaker 1: of my head, like just so I could see it visible, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm watching it right now. I'm gonna beat here and

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Speaker 1: telling myself like I'm manifesting it. I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: there's been a bunch of drafts. I watched all of them,

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Speaker 1: but uh, I think the most recent ones connect with

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Speaker 1: me the most because it felt like I was so

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Speaker 1: much closer to them to my dream.

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Speaker 3: Your dad put the ball in your hand, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: for sure? So how was the record of one on one?

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Speaker 1: Is? Like?

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Speaker 4: Is he winning or is you winning?

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Speaker 1: I ain't gonna lie. When I was young, he used

522
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Speaker 1: to get at me. He used to get at me crazy,

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Speaker 1: like to the point where he used to be at

524
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Speaker 1: the park and dude used to he used to win,

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Speaker 1: hit the game winner and run to the car. So

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Speaker 1: I ain't playing no more. I ain't playing no more.

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Speaker 1: I'm done for the day. And I'm like, nah, I

528
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Speaker 1: want to win. I want to play you again. Come on,

529
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Speaker 1: I we'll play you again. I want to play you again.

530
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Speaker 1: He run into the car and then like I don't

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Speaker 1: even get a chance to play him. I'm crying, getting

532
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Speaker 1: all mad, like throwing a tantrum, and he just like,

533
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Speaker 1: I don't care. Just take that hold of what you

534
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Speaker 1: were gonna play against tomorrow, holding it. We're gonna play

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Speaker 1: it again tomorrow. And he used to just kill me

536
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Speaker 1: every day. And then finally I got big enough and

537
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Speaker 1: I got tapes of me just dunking on him doing

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Speaker 1: all the type that type of change.

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Speaker 2: That Oh yeah, he had to because when this happened,

540
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Speaker 2: he was supposed to saying, you not ever getting mad.

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Speaker 1: You said you got footage dunking or dunking on it.

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Speaker 3: I had to get it when you started winning consistently

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Speaker 3: against your.

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Speaker 5: The like thirteen fourteen, fourteen, quick, it was supposed to

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Speaker 5: take a little longer than that, sixteen seventeen to least something.

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Speaker 1: My pops only like five nine. By the time I

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Speaker 1: had fourteen, I was like sixty two to him. I

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Speaker 1: feel myself a little bit.

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Speaker 4: It was old.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, when I was younger to Chris, Chris used

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Speaker 1: to get at me. Yo, Chris who Chris Bernard? What

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Speaker 1: bro I was young? Young though, like eight oh, okay,

553
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Speaker 1: eight nine. He had to be. He just blocking my shots,

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Speaker 1: but he was terrorizing me, and they like he wouldn't

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Speaker 1: give me no type of like he wasn't even a

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Speaker 1: buck what happened? Yeah, but I ain't gonna lie to

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Speaker 1: he ain't ever give me a chance to playing the game.

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Speaker 1: When I got older, he did it right that time.

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Speaker 1: He was just like, no, be too tight this time. Yea, yeah,

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Speaker 1: he too old?

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Speaker 4: Too old now.

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Speaker 3: Were definitely good luck with your career and everything you know.

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Speaker 3: Of course, if you're making them all Star games and

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Speaker 3: winning all this, you definitely gotta come back and holler

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Speaker 3: love yeah, playing good luck.

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Speaker 1: In love much love. All right. We want to thank

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Speaker 1: y'all for your continued support of the podcast.

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