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Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and

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Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the

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Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history.

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Speaker 2: Joined by the newest member of the Patriots Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: Mike Gravel.

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Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments

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Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight.

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Speaker 3: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian

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Speaker 3: coy Or.

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Speaker 2: Joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, but number

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Speaker 2: one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison. Good to

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Speaker 2: be home, Good to see you guys.

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Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast.

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Speaker 3: Thank you what you saw last week from your team.

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Speaker 3: He talked a little bit about a post game. But

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Speaker 3: you feel like you're getting closer, you know, and what

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Speaker 3: in the red zone with some depression things like that

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Speaker 3: to keep you guys optimal. Yeah, I think we moved

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Speaker 3: the ball well, you know, I think you know the

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Speaker 3: first of all the rams you know that are you know,

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Speaker 3: had some chances and like I said, down there in

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Speaker 3: the red zone. We's got you know, punch it in.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it was something that that they did.

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Speaker 3: you want that scenario. So I think we're right there.

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Speaker 3: And like you said, it's some more successful in the

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Speaker 3: last time the pitchers played the golfense Just what do

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Speaker 1: About that game? You know, when where did you learn

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Speaker 3: Sud Yeah, you know, I think they fly around you

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Speaker 3: Campbell still making plays and they said, he's, you know,

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Speaker 3: So they're good in the back end. They got some

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Speaker 3: But uh, I think starts with running the football. I

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Speaker 2: When it comes to leadership, leadership skills specifically to an

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Speaker 2: It's always just naturally as talented as you are, you know,

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Speaker 1: See another day.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes the best.

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Speaker 3: Play, Yeah, I gotta do a better better job of that.

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Speaker 3: to replicate those mistakes. Yes, it's tough. It's tough really

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Speaker 1: Why do you feel Why do you feel your team

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Speaker 1: You've been very good in the first quarter at least

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Speaker 3: I think it's credit to a VP and the guys

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm telling Hunter Hunting those guys on the

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Speaker 3: Just what about him has made him so easy for

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to get in football that uh you said,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't lose it. I think, you know, the big

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Speaker 3: I think we're learning that and kind of feeling our

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Speaker 3: to think this guy may do something that ended up

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Speaker 2: He sees a lot of similarities between you and a

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Speaker 2: young Herbert. Has he ever talked to you about those

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I asked Hunter, and you asked a hundred a

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Speaker 3: Hunter is just you know, a classic example of me

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Speaker 3: you one of our best players football Sorr.

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Speaker 2: Thank y'all.

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