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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: All right, second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off.

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Speaker 2: Right now, Let's just review for a moment what we

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Speaker 2: know where we are with the alleged criminal bribery scheme.

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Speaker 2: That's not just about Hunter Biden, but that involves Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden in the allegation specifically. And Senate Republicans have revealed,

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Speaker 2: including Senator Chuck Grassley, that they believe there is more

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Speaker 2: evidence to support this than had previously been known. This

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Speaker 2: all goes back to you will recall there's been a

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Speaker 2: fight on the House side and on the Senate side

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Speaker 2: over this FBI FD ten twenty three confidential human source document.

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Speaker 2: You know, we had confidential source documents in the Intelligence

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Speaker 2: Division of the NYPD. We had similar situation inside the CIA, right.

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Speaker 2: I mean that you got to have some paperwork for

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Speaker 2: when people are bringing you information. Now, in this case,

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Speaker 2: a person who had been used as an FBI informant

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Speaker 2: in the past had brought information that was deemed to

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Speaker 2: be good so he was used for a number of years,

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Speaker 2: came forward and told the FBI about this. This is

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Speaker 2: from the Washington Examiner Mikola Zlatchevsky, the Ukrainian owner of

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Speaker 2: baris what what what I just I.

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Speaker 3: Mean, just the I mean all this is so wildly shady, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, just hearing the names of all these Ukrainians

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Speaker 3: that are paying Joe Biden and everything else, just it

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Speaker 3: just sounds like a made up like James Bond Kaper

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Speaker 3: right when you just like kind of lay out all

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Speaker 3: the details. I can't even keep a straight face about it.

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Speaker 2: This goes to just how absurd the whole thing is

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Speaker 2: to just take a moment and just have that gut

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Speaker 2: check for a second about Hold on a minute. It's

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Speaker 2: not like you had a Dutch or British or Japanese

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Speaker 2: you know, natural gas.

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Speaker 3: Or energy or whatever Amurrican company right like yeah, like

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Speaker 3: it's totally normal and above board.

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Speaker 1: And I mean this is such a sham from the front.

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Speaker 2: Biden. Joe Biden was the point man for the Obama

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Speaker 2: administration in Ukraine at a time when there had been

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Speaker 2: you know, the Orange Revolution, and when there had been

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Speaker 2: years of fighting on the eastern side of it and

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Speaker 2: all kinds of graft and corruption, and I mean Ukraine

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Speaker 2: was a mess. Biden was put in charge by Obama,

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Speaker 2: which alone you would think is wow, right, this is

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Speaker 2: the guy. You're pretty I mean, you've said a million

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Speaker 2: times you wouldn't hire him for a single job at OutKick, right,

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Speaker 2: Like Biden isn't Biden isn't a guy you would want

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Speaker 2: in charge of anything. And somehow now he's technically in

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Speaker 2: charge of the country. But the companies are out of

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Speaker 2: the countries company located in that we're paying off. The

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Speaker 2: bidens come from our biggest adversary who's looking for any

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Speaker 2: advantage possible through dollars to us, or two individuals, which

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Speaker 2: is China and the country that is probably the most

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Speaker 2: in need of US foreign policy favors Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so here we go.

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Speaker 2: We get Zlatzchewski was the foreign national involved in the

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Speaker 2: alleged criminal bribery's scheme detailed in the FBI form and

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Speaker 2: referred to Joe Biden as the big guy during a

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Speaker 2: conversation several years before the June twenty twenty date of

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Speaker 2: the Bureau document. According to the FBI record described to

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Speaker 2: the Washington Examiner by sources, Grassley said that according to

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Speaker 2: the FD ten twenty three, the foreign national possesses fifteen

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Speaker 2: audio recordings of phone calls between him and Hunter Biden

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Speaker 2: and two audio recordings of phone calls between him and

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Speaker 2: the then Vice President Joe Biden. A couple things before

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Speaker 2: we get into it. I mean Ted Cruz. Just Ted

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Speaker 2: Cruz pulled out the howitzers in the Senate yesterday. We'll

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Speaker 2: get to that in a second. But Clay, this is

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Speaker 2: the kind of thing where you would stop to say, Hmmm,

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Speaker 2: why would this corrupt Ukrainian oligarc be recording conversations with

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Speaker 2: the people that he's just business partners with unless he

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Speaker 2: was looking for leverage in case things went bad, right?

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Speaker 2: I mean, that's just to me step one of this buck.

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Speaker 3: I would just say to anybody out there listening, is

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Speaker 3: there a more shady group that you could go into

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Speaker 3: business with than?

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Speaker 1: The answer is probably yes.

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Speaker 3: There may be a few more shady, But I'll give

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Speaker 3: you a quick story before we play Ted Cruz. I

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Speaker 3: don't think I've told you this story. I'm curious what

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Speaker 3: sports talk radio show, my producer called me one afternoon,

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Speaker 3: that's got a really weird call. I said, what called

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Speaker 3: my phone ring, it's from Rings, It's from a blocked number,

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Speaker 3: and it's somebody from the Russian government saying they want

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Speaker 3: to invite Clay Travis to come to Moscow to watch

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Speaker 3: the election of Vladimir Putin and be able to report

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Speaker 3: about how honest it was. They're gonna fly me to Moscow,

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Speaker 3: They're gonna put me up in an elite hotel. The

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Speaker 3: Russian government has tracked down my producer of my radio show,

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Speaker 3: and all of this. I'm just saying, can I just

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Speaker 3: how was your how was your trip to Moscow? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm just I don't think I've told this story on

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Speaker 3: the radio before. And my reaction was the hell, I'm

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Speaker 3: I like to travel, but then I'm gonna go as

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Speaker 3: a guest of the Russian government and go to stay

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Speaker 3: in a hotel in Moscow. Like no, somebody reached out

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Speaker 3: to Hunter Biden like that Buck, some random dude in

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Speaker 3: Ukraine reached out to Hunter Biden and somehow he ended

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Speaker 3: up in this relationship with the Ukrainian interest. My point

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Speaker 3: on it is it's super shady from the moment it begins.

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Speaker 3: You know that it is not on the up and up,

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Speaker 3: and it is so incredibly shady.

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Speaker 2: Here's where I think we have to you know, we

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Speaker 2: have to think a couple layers into this, or a

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Speaker 2: few steps ahead of this. Even if Joe Biden knew

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Speaker 2: nothing about this, which I do not believe for one second,

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Speaker 2: I think the record shows he did know about Hunter

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Speaker 2: getting you know, these payoffs and being the bag man.

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Speaker 1: For the family.

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Speaker 2: The fact that his son would be compromised in this way.

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Speaker 2: I mean, criminal bribery is something you can go to

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Speaker 2: this is why I go back to the recorded conversations.

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Speaker 2: There is leverage against the then vice president's son now

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Speaker 2: president's son. Right, you start thinking about, Hold on a second,

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Speaker 2: what kind of game were these different interests? We're talking

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Speaker 2: millions of dollars, right. This isn't even like, oh, we'll

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Speaker 2: pay you, you know, we'll pay you fifty grand to

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Speaker 2: show up and give a speech. And it's like, wait,

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Speaker 2: why you want to hear me speak in Russia? No,

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Speaker 2: this is millions and millions of dollars, and it's all

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Speaker 2: where where there is smoke, there is fire. There is

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Speaker 2: so much smoke here it's like a forest fire and

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Speaker 2: the FBI is playing games. And this is this brings

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Speaker 2: me to Ted Cruz. Yesterday in the Senate he had

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Speaker 2: and I want you to hear how this exchange goes

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Speaker 2: here play Ted Cruz trying to get some answers about

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Speaker 2: this Biden bribery stuff.

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Speaker 4: The FBI is stonewalling, would.

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Speaker 5: You, Senator No, one's stonewalling. The ten twenty three just

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Speaker 5: said you refused to add the response to his subpoena.

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Speaker 1: Okay, answer question.

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Speaker 5: The pertinent information is there, and I reject your assertion

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Speaker 5: that the answer my question. I just answer your question.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 4: So, yes, you have a ten twenty three. Do you

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Speaker 4: have the seventeen recordings?

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Speaker 1: Yes or no.

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Speaker 5: I'm not going to get further into this.

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Speaker 1: So you're stonewalling.

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Speaker 4: You can't say I'm not refusing to answer your question,

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Speaker 4: but I won't answer your question.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to answer within the parameters that we operate in.

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Speaker 4: That's the problem the FBI has right now, and unlimited

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Speaker 4: hubris that you believe you are unaccountable. You don't believe

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Speaker 2: So that's Deputy FBI director a body and Clay A

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Speaker 2: few things. One thing for a moment, dude, this informant

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Speaker 2: had been good for a long time before. If there

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Speaker 2: on the FBI has and we're talking about tear it

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Speaker 2: down to the studs. You know, the whole place is

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Speaker 2: is going to have to get a really serious redo.

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Speaker 2: And I think so that's one part of it. But

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Speaker 2: then also just the we talk about the double standard

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Speaker 2: in prosecution, right, That's what we talked about the first

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Speaker 2: hour of the show. There's double standard Hillary versus Trump.

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Speaker 2: But what we also see here is a double standard

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Speaker 2: in just even investigation by federal resources. Right. George Papadopoulos

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Speaker 2: full field investigation on him then gets Faiza on Carter Page.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they go crazy with it.

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Speaker 2: The sitting vice president is being accused of being on

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Speaker 2: tape effectively figuring out a bribe. This should be the

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Speaker 2: kind of thing this makes FBI careers. Man, this should

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Speaker 2: be the absolute top priority. If we found out they

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Speaker 2: you to fix his absolutely in and also they didn't

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Speaker 2: leak it. That's where I come back.

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Speaker 1: Buck.

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Speaker 3: All of these people who are supposedly so upset about

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Speaker 3: the documents that Trump has in the media, They've made

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Speaker 3: a living off of illegally leaked documents classified in nature

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Speaker 3: based on lies like we saw with Russia collusion, and

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Speaker 3: that is also indicative, Buck, of a corrupt system, because

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Speaker 3: how is it that we don't find out?

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is a big deal. If there are fifteen.

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Speaker 3: Recorded phone calls between Hunter Biden and a Beisma executive,

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Speaker 3: two of which involved Joe Biden when he claimed that

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Speaker 3: he had no relationship whatsoever with his son's business dealings,

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Speaker 3: which we know are a lie, and the FBI has

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Speaker 3: potentially had access to them or known of the potential

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Speaker 3: existence of these seventeen recordings for years. To me, Buck,

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Speaker 3: it ties in in a big way with the way

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Speaker 3: that the FBI responded to the laptop, because remember, they

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Speaker 3: knew the laptop was real, They had had it since

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Speaker 3: December of twenty nineteen.

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Speaker 1: And what did they do when.

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Speaker 3: You look at the Twitter files they held Aspen institutes

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Speaker 3: where they actually preceded the idea that this was Russian

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Speaker 3: disinformation and that there might be a release of a

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Speaker 3: alleged Hunter Biden laptop as part of the prelude to

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Speaker 3: the twenty twenty election, which they knew about because they

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Speaker 3: had Rudy Giuliani under surveillance.

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Speaker 1: And I'm saying all this, Buck.

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Speaker 3: And I feel, you know, the meme of the guy

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Speaker 3: standing in front of the wall with like all the

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Speaker 3: different you know, connections that he's drawing. There's so much

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Speaker 3: here that when you say it out loud, it makes

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Speaker 3: you sound like a crazy person. You sound like a

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Speaker 3: wild conspiracy theorist. But it's impossible to draw any other

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Speaker 3: cover up the Biden crime family. So it makes me wonder, wow, like,

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Speaker 3: what is the impetus under which this would occur? You

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Speaker 3: were in you were encounter intel. Doesn't this all strike

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Speaker 3: you as incredibly strange that the FBI, Like it almost

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Speaker 1: Some people don't believe in the science.

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Speaker 2: Clay. The science of walking on treadmills is very clear.

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Speaker 3: Did you hear our good friend Joe Scarborough? Because I

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Speaker 1: But put that aside. You know, Nixon got pardoned by Ford.

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Speaker 2: Nobody is saying he is innocent.

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Speaker 3: Nobody is saying he did not commit the crimes that

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Speaker 3: Because Joe bigger question is not these process related crimes

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Speaker 6: Sir, Clay Travis Buck Sexton. Thanks for having me on. Guys,

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Speaker 6: it's an honor to be back.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for righting, So we are pleased to have you.

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Speaker 3: And I got to begin with the question I said,

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Speaker 3: I mean even yes, convicted. But if you are president

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Speaker 3: in January of twenty twenty five, I think you would

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Speaker 3: agree this is a political prosecution. Why am I wrong

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Speaker 3: to think that it is important for whoever the Republican

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Speaker 3: president is in the event that it is not Trump,

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Speaker 3: to pardon him, And why would you not want to

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Speaker 3: pardon him.

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Speaker 6: Well, first off, let's let me take a step back,

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Speaker 6: but I'm going to answer your question. Yesterday was a

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Speaker 6: sad day for this country. I mean, the very specter

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Speaker 6: of a former president of the United States in the dock,

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Speaker 6: in a court indicted. It's nothing I thought I'd ever

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Speaker 6: live to see in this country. And I think that

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Speaker 6: millions of Americans we're downhearted about what we saw. But

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Speaker 6: in this country, first principles is what you guys talk

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Speaker 6: about all the time. No one's above the law, and

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Speaker 6: every one of us is entitled to the presumption of innocent,

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Speaker 6: innocent and to a proven guilty. Right. So that's where

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Speaker 6: we start. And former President Trump's entitled to the presumption

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Speaker 6: of innocence. Now I have read the indictment. I would

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Speaker 6: tell you all as someone that spent years on the

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Speaker 6: International Relations Committee, I had the highest level of clearance

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Speaker 6: when I was your vice president. These are serious charges.

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Speaker 6: I mean, the handling of classified information bears upon our

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Speaker 6: national security, the safety of our armed forces. And I

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Speaker 6: will just say to you, as I've said another place,

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Speaker 6: I can't defend what has been alleged, but the former

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Speaker 6: president is entitled to his day in court. And frankly,

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Speaker 6: after seven years of politicization at the Department of Justice

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Speaker 6: that I lived through, I was in that campaign in

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Speaker 6: twenty sixteen when the head of the FBI I said

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Speaker 6: that he was not going to bring charges against Hillary

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Speaker 6: Clinton for much the same facts that have now resulted

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Speaker 6: in an indictment against Donald Trump. I was there in

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Speaker 6: the White House during two and a half years of

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Speaker 6: the Russia hoax. I saw the big media, big tech

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Speaker 6: collude to essentially suppress the Hunter Biden laptop story. All

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Speaker 6: the things you guys have covered with great distinction. But

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Speaker 6: you know so, it's hard for me to believe that

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Speaker 6: politics did not play a role here. And it's one

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Speaker 6: of the reasons why last week I called on the

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Speaker 6: Attorney General Merrick Garland to come before the American people

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Speaker 6: and talk about the reasons for this decision, to answer

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Speaker 6: questions about the basis of it, because the American people

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Speaker 6: have lost confidence in the Department of Justice. And what

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Speaker 6: I will tell you is that should I have the

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Speaker 6: great privilege of being President of the United States, We're

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Speaker 6: going to restore confidence in the Department of Justice. We're

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Speaker 6: going to clean house in all the scene your offices.

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Speaker 6: We're going to put men and women of unimpeachable integrity

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Speaker 6: in those positions, and we're going to restore the confidence

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Speaker 6: of the American people in equal treatment under the law.

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Speaker 2: As part of that, Vice President pens can I ask you,

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Speaker 2: would you consider the appointment of a special counsel to

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Speaker 2: look into what seems to be now increasingly obvious and

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Speaker 2: brazen corruption affecting the Bidens.

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Speaker 6: Guys, why would we wait for that I'm demanding it now.

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Speaker 6: I demanded it on national television this morning. Look, I

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Speaker 6: want to see the Department of Justice bring equal vigor

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Speaker 6: to the investigation into allegations concerning President Biden, concerning members

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Speaker 6: of his family. I'd like to see them bring equal

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Speaker 6: vigor to the investigation into President Biden's handling of classified documents.

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Speaker 6: I mean some of these documents day back decades, not

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Speaker 6: just to when he was vice president, but when he

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Speaker 6: as a member of the United States Senate. That's what

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Speaker 6: I want to see. Equal treatment under the laws, that

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Speaker 6: everybody gets the same everybody gets the same treatment. I'm

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Speaker 6: going to continue to call on that, but that you

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Speaker 6: know that the Lady Justice is blind, and we ought

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Speaker 6: to be able to demand as Americans that the law

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Speaker 6: be upheld, but that it be evenly and equally applied

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Speaker 6: to everyone. And I will tell you, maybe you know,

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Speaker 6: I have a I got two members of my immediate

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Speaker 6: family that serve in the Armed forces of the United States.

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Speaker 6: My sons are captain in the Marine Corps. My son

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Speaker 6: in law is a lieutenant in the Navy. And I

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Speaker 6: will never diminish the importance of protecting our nation's secrets.

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Speaker 6: But all that being said. You know, as I said, I,

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Speaker 6: having lived through all these years of politicization, I promise you,

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Speaker 6: if I have the opportunity to be president of the

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Speaker 6: United States, We're in a clean house, give the American

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Speaker 6: people a fresh start, and restore confidence in the rule

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Speaker 6: of law.

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Speaker 2: So so, Vice President of FENT. This is the most

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Speaker 2: basic question, but I think in a lot of ways

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Speaker 2: it would be the most important one for you, which

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Speaker 2: is you served under President Trump, Why are you running,

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Speaker 2: Why do you think you would do a better job,

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Speaker 2: or what would you be doing differently as a matter

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Speaker 2: of policy from what a lot of the listeners feel

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Speaker 2: like was a overall very successful first four years of Trump.

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Speaker 6: Well, look, I'm incredibly proud of the record of the

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Speaker 6: Trump Pen's administration. I know there are some candidates in

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Speaker 6: this Republican primary who have taken to criticizing our record,

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Speaker 6: but look, I stand by it shoulder to shoulder every

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Speaker 6: single day. Other than the difficult time that we had

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Speaker 6: at the end that I spoke about in my announcement

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Speaker 6: speech last week, where I stood on the Constitution of

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Speaker 6: the United States, every single day I was there as

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Speaker 6: we worked to rebuild our military, revived our economy, we

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Speaker 6: cut taxes, rollback regulations, achieved energy independence, we secured our border,

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Speaker 6: and we appointed three of the justices to the Supreme

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Speaker 6: Court of the United States that gave America a new

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Speaker 6: beginning for life. I'm proud of that record, but I'm

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Speaker 6: running because I think this country's in a lot of trouble.

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Speaker 6: I mean, frankly, at two and a half years, President

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Speaker 6: Joe Biden and the Democrats have weakened America at home

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Speaker 6: and abroad. And I think those of us that have

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Speaker 6: the experience, which my experience range is not just from

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Speaker 6: being Vice president, but I was governor of the state

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Speaker 6: of Indiana, where we balanced budgets, we doubled an educational

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Speaker 6: choice program, we stood for life and liberty. And also

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Speaker 6: I was a leading House Conservative for twelve years. I

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Speaker 6: battled against the big spenders in my own party. That

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Speaker 6: was when I first came into contact with the late

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Speaker 6: and great Rush Limbaugh. He saw me as a backbencher

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Speaker 6: that was fighting against big government republicanism back in the day.

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Speaker 6: And I would tell you, I just think those of

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Speaker 6: us that have the experience and those of us that

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Speaker 6: had the proven commitment to the conservative agenda that's carried

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Speaker 6: us not just the Republican victories, but to great victories

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Speaker 6: for the American people over the last fifty years. Have

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Speaker 6: an obligation to step forward. My wife and I after

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Speaker 6: a great deal of prayer and deliberations and now st

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Speaker 6: our intention to seek the Republican nomination for President of

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Speaker 6: the United States. And any one of your listeners all

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Speaker 6: over the country that would like to know more or

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Speaker 6: even help us out, go to Mike Pence twenty twenty

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Speaker 6: four dot com.

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Speaker 3: All right, we're talking to former Vice President Mike Pence,

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Speaker 3: running for president as the Republican contender here in the primary.

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Speaker 3: And I want to circle back to the first question there,

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Speaker 3: because I don't think you directly answered it. So let's

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Speaker 3: presume you're fortunate enough take out of office January twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty five, you become the next president of the United States.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump is convicted of what I think you would

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Speaker 3: agree are clearly to a large degree political based charges.

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Speaker 3: He is facing time in prison, maybe they even put

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Speaker 3: handcuffs on him and walk him into a prison. Would

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Speaker 3: you pardon him from those federal charges?

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Speaker 6: Well, first off, these are serious charges, and as I said,

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Speaker 6: I can't defend what's been alleged, but the president does

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Speaker 6: deserve to make his defense. Say to each one of you, Look,

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Speaker 6: I've been a former governor, I've actually granted pardons to people,

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Speaker 6: and I take the parton authority very seriously. It's an

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Speaker 6: enormously important power of someone in an executive position, and

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Speaker 6: I just think it's premature to have any conversation about

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Speaker 6: that right now.

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Speaker 1: Guys, why would you be hold on?

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Speaker 3: Let me just ask you that because I look, I

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Speaker 3: think as a matter of principle, I think, as a

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Speaker 3: matter of principle, if you believe, as both Buck and

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Speaker 3: I do, that Donald Trump is being prosecuted to a

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Speaker 3: large extent for political based reasons, something that has never

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Speaker 3: happened in the two hundred and forty plus year history

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Speaker 3: of the United States, that we are setting an awful

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Speaker 3: precedent here. And I think it's important to look at

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Speaker 3: this even before the case has taken place. You've read

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Speaker 3: the indictment. You know what the allegations are. They are serious.

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Speaker 3: But to me, what is gained by allowing Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: to be put in prison in the event he was convicted,

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Speaker 3: is we lose infinitely more by not just taking a

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Speaker 3: principled stand and saying, as a matter of principle, this

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Speaker 3: shouldn't happen. I'm not going to allow it. To me,

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Speaker 3: if you're the executive, you are the ultimate decider, with

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Speaker 3: all due respect.

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Speaker 1: When you aren't telling us.

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Speaker 3: What your decision would be, I think you're dodging the

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Speaker 3: question and frankly not stepping up on the front of leadership,

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Speaker 3: which in the past you've been willing to do so

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Speaker 3: to me, not answering as a no.

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Speaker 6: Well, look, number one, I don't think you know what

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Speaker 6: the president's defense is, do you. I mean, what are

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Speaker 6: the facts? I mean, Look, we either believe in our

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Speaker 6: judicial process in this country or we don't. We either

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Speaker 6: stand by the rule of law we don't. I just

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Speaker 6: thought what I would tell you is I think as someone.

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Speaker 3: But what I'm hearing is you're fine with Donald Trump

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Speaker 3: being put in prison, sir, And that, to me, since

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Speaker 3: you were his vice president, feels pretty disrespectful.

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Speaker 6: I had a standard rule. I don't talk about hypotheticals. Look,

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Speaker 6: we don't know what the president's defense here is. I

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Speaker 6: think he's entitled to make his defense, entitled to have

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Speaker 6: his day in court. And uh, look, let's you know,

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Speaker 6: let's take it one step at a time. But I

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Speaker 6: would just tell you that I I.

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Speaker 3: But if you know that these are political charges and

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Speaker 3: you do this is not a This is not a

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Speaker 3: difficult decision.

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Speaker 2: I think we've made. I think we've gotten. I think

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Speaker 2: we've gotten what we're going to get here. In terms

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Speaker 2: of an answer to this one.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I just think any I think any conclusion by

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Speaker 6: anyone running for the presidency of the United States that

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Speaker 6: would prejudge the facts in this case or prejudge the

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Speaker 6: investigation into President Biden or his family is premature. Let's

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Speaker 6: let let's let the process play out, Let's follow the facts,

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Speaker 6: and I promise you, as president of the United States,

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Speaker 6: I'll do just that.

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Speaker 2: What would you do differently from either Trump or any

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Speaker 2: of the other Republicans running, sir? What where where do

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Speaker 2: you differentiate yourself? I mean, because to me, if you

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Speaker 2: feel like the four years under Trump were so great, well,

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Speaker 2: then why why run yourself? If if the guy who

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Speaker 2: was at the top of the ta it is running again,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I mean, honestly, I'm curious

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Speaker 2: about that.

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's a it's a great question. Look, you know,

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Speaker 6: I joined the Republican Party when Ronald Reagan was in

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Speaker 6: the White House. You guys are probably in great school

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Speaker 6: at the time ran for office the first time when

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Speaker 6: he was when he was actually in his last year

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Speaker 6: in office. I joined the Reagan Revolution. I'm some of

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Speaker 6: that believes that in a strong national defense, in American

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Speaker 6: leadership in the world, I think, I think we are

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Speaker 6: the leader of the free world, the arsenal of democracy.

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Speaker 6: And when I hear the former president and others frankly

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Speaker 6: in this race that are that are minimizing America's leading

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Speaker 3: Former President Vice President Mike Pence running for president. Appreciate

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Speaker 2: Well, we just spoke to a Vice President Pence there.

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Speaker 3: You want to talk about disloyalty, Okay, you asked him.

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Speaker 3: He's got an answer. He thinks he'll do a better job.

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Speaker 3: I don't agree personally, but he would let his former

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