1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: Welcome back to she Pivots. I'm Kate Lucio. 2 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 2: Welcome back to she Pivots, the podcast where we talk 3 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,280 Speaker 2: with women who dare to pivot out of one career 4 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 2: and into something new and explore how their personal lives 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 2: impacts these decisions. I'm your host, Emily Tish Sussman. Today 6 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: we have on Kate Lucio, the founder and CEO of Luminary, 7 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,919 Speaker 2: a first of its kind global professional education and networking 8 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 2: platform created to address the systemic challenges impacting women and 9 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 2: our allies across all industries and sectors. Luminary also has 10 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 2: a brick and mortar location that you just might recognize 11 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: from our season three launch party last year. I met 12 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 2: Kate through one of my dear friends, a former she 13 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 2: Pivots guest, Marissa Lee, the author of the must read 14 00:01:02,840 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 2: book Grief Is Love. In fact, I had the honor 15 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: of introducing both her and another she Pivots guest, Brookshields, 16 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: at her book launch, the party held at you guessed It, 17 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 2: the Luminary. This is exactly what I love about this show, 18 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 2: the way it brings women together and uplifts all of 19 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: us individually, and Kate is the perfect representation of this. 20 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,959 Speaker 2: She started Luminary after wanting to bring together women in 21 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,200 Speaker 2: a meaningful community to share resources, time and expertise. She 22 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 2: had spent two decades in leadership and financial services, leading global, 23 00:01:36,520 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 2: multi billion dollar businesses, and she saw a need for 24 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 2: a platform that would allow people to fully embrace their 25 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 2: stories and skills, and so she pivoted and started Luminary. 26 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 2: But that's not the end of her story. In fact, 27 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 2: it's just one side, the professional. On the personal side, 28 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: Kate was dealing with her own health journey from IVF 29 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: to breast care answer to eventually a hysterectomy and acute 30 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 2: and difficult loss for her after trying for a baby 31 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,919 Speaker 2: for so long. I'm so grateful to Kate for coming 32 00:02:09,960 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 2: on and opening up about her still developing and complex 33 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 2: feelings around the intersection of these deeply personal experiences and 34 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 2: her blossoming career success. Ladies, this is an episode you 35 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 2: won't want to miss enjoy. Oh and if you hear 36 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 2: some chirping birds, it was just the idyllic setting that 37 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: Kate was recording from. Let's jump right in. 38 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:35,960 Speaker 1: I am Kate Lucio, and I am the founder and 39 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: CEO of Luminary and what is luminary. Luminary is a 40 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: global networking and provisional education platform. We started here in 41 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 1: New York City in twenty nineteen as a physical space 42 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: for women and allies to connect, create, develop, and thanks 43 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 1: to the pandemic, we went online overnight and now we 44 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: have a global community around the world. 45 00:03:02,040 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 2: You also hosted my launch party for the podcast we did, 46 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:06,639 Speaker 2: and I. 47 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: Couldn't even be there but because I was having surgery. 48 00:03:09,800 --> 00:03:14,320 Speaker 1: So but I you know, so many people continue to 49 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,799 Speaker 1: bring that event up. They're like, I was at Emily 50 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 1: She Pivots podcast launch at the Glass Ceiling. You weren't there, 51 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:24,800 Speaker 1: but so many people continue to talk about what a 52 00:03:24,840 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: magical night it was. 53 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 2: Oh my god, I love that so much. Well, I mean, 54 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 2: I think the energy that you brought into it, like 55 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 2: into designing the space and even just like the spirit 56 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: that you bring into it was so felt there. It 57 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 2: was so everybody was just happy to be talking about 58 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 2: their pivots and like how to help other women, and 59 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 2: everyone was bringing that energy and like, yes, what can 60 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: I do for you? What can I do for you? 61 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,360 Speaker 2: What can I do for you? Which is the kind 62 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: of room I want to be in? Like that's definitely 63 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 2: the kind of I want to create, and you really 64 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: help do that with the space. 65 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't that amazing where it's not just about listen. 66 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: There's there's a time and place for the for the get, 67 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 1: but there's also a time and a place for the give, 68 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 1: and I think when it happens at that same time, 69 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: it just inspires other to have that given the get. 70 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: And so I'm pretty proud of what we've built and 71 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: both physically and virtually, and just know that the incredible 72 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: community and people coming into the space again physically and 73 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: virtually is is exactly who we wanted to walk into 74 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 1: the space. 75 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 2: Well, I actually met you and came into the space 76 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: for the first time in exactly one of these circumstances, 77 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 2: because you hosted a book party for my friend Marissa 78 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 2: Renee Lee and her book Grief Is Love, and that 79 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:39,599 Speaker 2: was my first time in the space and I was 80 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:40,359 Speaker 2: just blown away. 81 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:44,599 Speaker 1: And we love Marissa. She's amazing. So thanks to you. 82 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: You introduced Marissa to Luminary. You introduced us to Marissa 83 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 1: and her book, and that was an incredible book launch 84 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: as well. But she's become a Luminary member and she's 85 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: just an inspiring motivating is not even the words that 86 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,440 Speaker 1: I could use to describer It's so much more than that. 87 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: But that was because she did her book launch there 88 00:05:05,279 --> 00:05:09,359 Speaker 1: and now she's so engaged and so involved and also 89 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: bring this idea that grief is love and we have 90 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: to talk about it. 91 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 2: You know, what she's talking about, what you're talking about, 92 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 2: the luminaria, what we're talking about here at Cheap Pivots. 93 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: It's so intertwined. It's like the fact that we want 94 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 2: to show up professionally and we know that we're good, 95 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,240 Speaker 2: and we know that we can be our best selves, 96 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 2: and we have these other personal factors that interplay sometimes 97 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 2: and we want to show up with all of it. 98 00:05:34,480 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think they interplay all the time, right. 99 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: I think historically women in particular women and women of 100 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: color just were kind of told not to show up, 101 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, leave that at the door before you come 102 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 1: into the I'm using air quotes into the office. I 103 00:05:51,040 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 1: think the pandemic did change a lot of that, right, 104 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: because we had windows into what everyone's lives were because 105 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: everyone was going through it at once. And I think 106 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 1: that the more we share our stories and we do 107 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 1: it not behind closed doors or through what we call 108 00:06:06,160 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: Whisper Networks. We're doing it out in front. It does 109 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 1: inspire and motivate others to share their stories and bring 110 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: their whole selves into whatever they're doing. Yeah, I mean 111 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,080 Speaker 1: it's the whole, you know, Like it's the whole idea 112 00:06:19,160 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: behind a group therapy that like if you see someone 113 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: showing up emotionally, then you are compelled to meet them, absolutely, 114 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 1: both for yourself but also for them, like you don't 115 00:06:28,160 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: want them to feel alone, and so like you show 116 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 1: up to talk about the thing that you're going through 117 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: and it helps them and it helps you absolutely. That's 118 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:37,600 Speaker 1: such a great analogy. I was just leading a workshop 119 00:06:37,640 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 1: for one of our corporate our enterprise clients and around 120 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: self advocacy. But I like the term self promotion much 121 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: better because it makes people uncomfortable. Oh I don't want 122 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:51,000 Speaker 1: to be around someone who self promotes. It's the same 123 00:06:51,040 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 1: as self advocacy. It's just this negative connotation that you're 124 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,160 Speaker 1: doing it in an in authentic way. And it can 125 00:06:58,200 --> 00:07:00,880 Speaker 1: be done in an authentic way. But if we show 126 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,200 Speaker 1: up and we actually give facts and context, I say 127 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 1: that's the way to do it. And so for me, 128 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: when somebody shares an achievement or an accomplishment. When they're 129 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: advocating for themselves, it inspires others to do that too. 130 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Okay, So let's get back to you, Kate. Okay, okay, 131 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,920 Speaker 2: So set the scene for us, give us a little Kate, like, 132 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: what did you think you were going to be when 133 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: you grew up? So, actually, my mom recently found something 134 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:32,000 Speaker 2: that I wrote. She has kept a lot of our 135 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: kids stuff, and I think it was in fourth grade 136 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: I said I want to be the president. Probably not 137 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 2: what I thought I was going to do, but at 138 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 2: that time, I think I was inspired by leadership. And 139 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: so to me at that time, if I unpacked that 140 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 2: a little, it was like that was the example of 141 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,400 Speaker 2: a leader. At the same time, I was in fourth grade, 142 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: it was when the Challenger happened, and so we were 143 00:07:53,840 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 2: watching all of these amazing astronauts, one of them being 144 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 2: a teacher, right, So for me it was like anybody 145 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: that was in a leadership role, that's what I wanted 146 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 2: to do. I really looked and my teachers were leaders, 147 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: and so one I thought there was they had a 148 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 2: position of power, which an influence which probably didn't recognize 149 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 2: then do now. And so for me growing up, I 150 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: really wanted to follow my dad's flote steps. He was 151 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 2: an FBI agent, and that's what I thought because that's 152 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: what I knew. 153 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: And my mom was a teacher, loved what she did. 154 00:08:23,880 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 1: I could never be a teacher, but I guess I 155 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: do that now. So when I went to college, I thought, 156 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: I'm going to do political science criminal justice as a minor, 157 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 1: and that's what I'm going to do. Or I'm going 158 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: to work somewhere in the government, and that was what 159 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: I really aspired to do. 160 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:40,960 Speaker 2: Wait, so how did you not end up as an 161 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 2: FBI agent? Oh? 162 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,280 Speaker 1: Boy? So the true story that I don't think I've 163 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 1: ever shared publicly. So when I was a sophomore in college, 164 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,679 Speaker 1: there was an internship program at the FBI Academy, oh sorry, 165 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,199 Speaker 1: the headquarters in Washington, DC. I went to University of 166 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 1: Maryland underrub and very long story short, my dad said, 167 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 1: you should apply for this. It's to be a tour guide, 168 00:09:02,160 --> 00:09:03,600 Speaker 1: but that will get your foot in the door and 169 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: you can start experience. What I didn't know is you 170 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: had to go through the same application process that anybody 171 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: that wanted to work with in the FBI. Was like 172 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: thirty pages What I also didn't know is that I 173 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,080 Speaker 1: had tried marijuana for the first time about three months 174 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: prior to that. Now this is in the nineties. The 175 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: last page of the application said your drug history, and 176 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: everyone in my dorm said, just lie, you've tried it 177 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: one time, but I couldn't. I had to be honest, 178 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 1: and I'm an FBI agent's daughter, and so we get 179 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 1: into the interview and they're like, this is amazing. You're amazing, 180 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 1: and then they get to the last page because they 181 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,080 Speaker 1: do it they did it in person, and they said, wait, oh, 182 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 1: you've tried drugs. I said it was one time. I 183 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,880 Speaker 1: started crying. They said, I'm so sorry, You're ineligible to apply, 184 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 1: and so had to go home and tell my parents 185 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: and my dad was very disappointed, but he said I'm 186 00:09:51,720 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 1: glad you didn't lie. And then got a letter a 187 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,719 Speaker 1: few months later saying because of your drug abuse, you 188 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: know we can't you're not ineligible, and I thought, are 189 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: you getting me? Literally, I tried it at one time, and 190 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: I said, that's not where I want to be If 191 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: that's the judgment, I understand their processes and rules, and 192 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:14,559 Speaker 1: so that was that was my I guess failed attempt 193 00:10:14,920 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: to try, and then years later my dad actually said 194 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: to me, I'm so glad that you did something different. 195 00:10:21,559 --> 00:10:24,400 Speaker 2: Okay, so do you know what your dad was trying 196 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 2: to get you away from? 197 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:30,760 Speaker 1: No. I think he thought, and again I'm putting words 198 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: into his mouth, that I was destined for bigger things 199 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 1: and bigger impact. And I didn't know it then that 200 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: I really wanted to do something very international, and not 201 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:48,319 Speaker 1: that you couldn't do that at the FBI, but that 202 00:10:48,880 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 1: would have not been my path. And so you know, 203 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: many several years later, when I got recruited into banking, 204 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: that took me into an international career for the better 205 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 1: part of twenty years. And so I think that was 206 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,599 Speaker 1: one I do also think my dad was so committed 207 00:11:03,960 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 1: and it's really a public service job. You're not making 208 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,160 Speaker 1: a lot of money, which is a shame. It's because 209 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 1: they sort of protect us. And I think he wanted 210 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: me to not have to worry so much all the 211 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: time about finances and to put my four years of 212 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: college that he paid for. That was a huge gift 213 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: for me to use and to hopefully go and be 214 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: financially stable. 215 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: So was that the driving factor for you when you 216 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: graduated college, like, I'm going to find a job that 217 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 2: will help me be as financially stable as quickly as possible. No. 218 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: I got a job in a nonprofit. 219 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 2: Not known for financial stability. 220 00:11:45,640 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: No, but so I was. I loved my job. I 221 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: was working for an affordable housing nonprofit still around mana 222 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: love them, and the CFO at the time, who was 223 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,400 Speaker 1: probably not that much old, wasn't old, but looked older. 224 00:11:57,520 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: I was in my twenties. He came and he called 225 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: me into his office the city said I think you 226 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,000 Speaker 1: need to leave. I don't want you to get stuck here. 227 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: And it wasn't a negative. It wasn't like you should leave, 228 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: and because it's more a bad place. It was you 229 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 1: have a lot to give, you are, you have a 230 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 1: lot of energy, and go work in the private sector. 231 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: You can always give back and be philanthropic over time, 232 00:12:16,240 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 1: and you can always come back like he did, because 233 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 1: he had been a CFO in the sort of private 234 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: sector and came back. And I really took that to heart. 235 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 1: And it was the Internet boom, and so I went 236 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: out and got a job at a tech startup and 237 00:12:31,240 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: I remember thinking, oh my gosh, I'm rich because of 238 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 1: what I was. I mean, it wasn't that much more money, 239 00:12:37,000 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: but it was significant for me, and I could start 240 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: saving to buy a house, things like that that didn't exist. 241 00:12:44,160 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: So I went from well, I'm going to make money 242 00:12:46,480 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: to a nonprofit to a tech startup to that for 243 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: a couple of years, and then pivoted when I got 244 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 1: recruited into financial the financial. 245 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 2: World, you had really interesting international placements, what you would 246 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 2: call yes, yes, that's great. Were the international jobs. Were 247 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,680 Speaker 2: you trying to find something where you would move around 248 00:13:05,679 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 2: the world because I want to hear what you learned. 249 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 2: It's just so interesting. 250 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: Not necessarily so. I when I was in college, I 251 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: studied abroad and that was for me. I mean I 252 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: really I had been out of I never I've been 253 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: on a plane one time before I studied abroad. So 254 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: I went to Spain and it was amazing, and I 255 00:13:21,840 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: was like this whole world that I never knew existed 256 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: outside of sort of New Jersey, Midwest Florida, and I 257 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 1: fell in love. I remember coming home going I think 258 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: I want to live abroad. And when I got to 259 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: that tech startup, about six months into the job, my 260 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: CEO called me in and it was a very small 261 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: company and you said, you have a passport. I said, 262 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:45,720 Speaker 1: of course, and he said, great, You're going to China 263 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: with our CTO and you're going to help him figure 264 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: out if we should set up joint ventures. He said JVS. 265 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: I didn't even know what it meant, and Google was 266 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: just starting, so he couldn't google it. And and then 267 00:13:56,559 --> 00:14:00,960 Speaker 1: I went to China and it was like, wha, this 268 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: is amazing experiencing this culture. And I spent you know, 269 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:06,560 Speaker 1: sort of the better part of two years on and 270 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: off there working at this company and then realizing that 271 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,120 Speaker 1: I just loved international And so when I went back 272 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 1: to school at Georgetown, it was not because it was 273 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: I had a job in mine. I did a master's 274 00:14:17,679 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: in international relations because I loved international and learning and 275 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: learning about economies and political systems and certainly job the 276 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: sort of what was happening in their markets. But there 277 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 1: wasn't a plan. There was a I'm going to go 278 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: back and either work in a startup or I'm going 279 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: to go work in the government. There still was that 280 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: government in the back of my mind, and I did 281 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 1: a night program, so I was surrounded by people that 282 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: were working in the government, whether it was the State Department, 283 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 1: the CIA, the NSA. So I was like, this is 284 00:14:48,120 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: what I'm going to do. 285 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 2: And then I. 286 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 1: Got recruited by a bank which was just nowhere on 287 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: my radar, and that then over the next you know whatever, 288 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: almost twenty years took me to Mexico and London and 289 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: then working and traveling all around the world. 290 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:08,960 Speaker 2: When you were moving, did you think every time you 291 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:11,160 Speaker 2: think like this was a permanent move or you thought 292 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:13,200 Speaker 2: of it as a tour of service. No. 293 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: I always thought, Okay, I'm and I'm very close to 294 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:19,680 Speaker 1: my family, and I always thought, well, this is just 295 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,720 Speaker 1: going to be temporary. But I didn't know how temporary. 296 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: So for example, when I moved to London, the assignment 297 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,080 Speaker 1: or the placeman was two years, and I remember having 298 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: this conversation with my mom like she's I'm very close 299 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: to her, and I said, she said, it's only two years. 300 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: It's going to fly by. And two years turned into seven. 301 00:15:37,600 --> 00:15:40,360 Speaker 1: And so when I did move back to the States, 302 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: you know, and Mexico was sort of on and off 303 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: for two and a half years, and then I sort 304 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: of lived a pneumadic life on a plane in Latin America. 305 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: And even when I was in London, I was on 306 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: a plane almost three weeks of every month, so but 307 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,600 Speaker 1: always in a different part of the world. So when 308 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: I kind of moved. When I moved back to the US, 309 00:15:57,000 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: it was very difficult for me because I loved learning 310 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 1: and being and being thrust into situations where I sort 311 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 1: of have to adapt, and coming back to the US. 312 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,240 Speaker 1: People warned me about repatriation, but I didn't really appreciate 313 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 1: it until I did it, and it was difficult. I'll 314 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,400 Speaker 1: just say that it was difficult. I also was not 315 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: happy in my marriage at the time, and so I 316 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,640 Speaker 1: think there was a lot going on when that happened. 317 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:26,600 Speaker 1: But I still love the travel. I've been, you know, 318 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: amount one hundred and twenty eight countries, and so that's 319 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 1: just part of who I am. It's in my DNA 320 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: and my mom and dad always go, we don't know 321 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:36,000 Speaker 1: where you came from, but it's just they gave me 322 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: this opportunity as a kid and growing up to believe 323 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: I could be anything I wanted. And I think just 324 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 1: giving me that belief and sort of reinforcing it and 325 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: think for myself and become who I wanted, that has 326 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: driven so much of why I love international and certainly 327 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 1: you know, my job and giving it. 328 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:01,400 Speaker 2: All, will you fill in, like illuminate into a little 329 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 2: bit into the personal. When you were going through you know, 330 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 2: like twenty years of international living and international travel, I 331 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: feel like sometimes it's hard for me to keep friendships 332 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:12,600 Speaker 2: and relationships with people like a town over or you know, 333 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:16,480 Speaker 2: like a different city. Yeah, So how did that work 334 00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 2: for you? Were you making friends as you went? Were 335 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 2: you keeping up relationships? Were you dating? 336 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 1: Like? 337 00:17:21,160 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 2: How did that work? Oh? 338 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: Absolutely? I mean, you know, I think you're you have 339 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 1: to make time to invest in relationships, right, So relationships 340 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: that come from your past as well as the relationships 341 00:17:32,160 --> 00:17:34,719 Speaker 1: that when you're in different places. And I think it's 342 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: really important to surround yourself with local people as well, 343 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,479 Speaker 1: not just the people that make you comfortable, and usually 344 00:17:40,520 --> 00:17:44,440 Speaker 1: those are Americans. So I made it a priority wherever 345 00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:47,440 Speaker 1: I was to really invest time and build relationships locally, 346 00:17:47,480 --> 00:17:49,679 Speaker 1: and a lot of those relationships I still have. It 347 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:53,600 Speaker 1: also was very intentional about how did I stay connected 348 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,160 Speaker 1: with my sort of network and my friend group that 349 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: were still I'll call use the word home. And that's 350 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: what's I think pretty wonderful. Is this is like before 351 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: the Internet and before all the social media, so you 352 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,359 Speaker 1: really had to take time. And then obviously social media 353 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: made it so much easier. I remember when Facebook came 354 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,159 Speaker 1: out and I was moving. I was actually moving to London, 355 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: and it was like, oh, this is a great way 356 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: to stay connected, and it really was. And it was 357 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 1: also allowed people to see what you were doing. So 358 00:18:23,480 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: many people thought I was in Cia because they're like, 359 00:18:25,560 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: you're in a different country every week. So that and 360 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,919 Speaker 1: then you know, I got married when I was in 361 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: London and my now ex husband, but my then person 362 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: was living in New York and so we got married, 363 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 1: he moved to London and spent a couple of years 364 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: in London together before my job. The job opportunity brought 365 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: me back to the US, but that was always going 366 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: to be the thing that I wanted to do as 367 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 1: my parents got older. But it was definitely it wasn't easy, 368 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: but I think you really have to make an effort 369 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: and and build that. And by the way, I also say, listen, 370 00:18:59,840 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: I I'm not going to be in touch all the time, 371 00:19:01,800 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: but when I am in touch, let's make the most 372 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:07,080 Speaker 1: out of it. And all of my US trips back home, 373 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,040 Speaker 1: I would really make it a point to see the 374 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,160 Speaker 1: people that mattered to me. It wasn't just I saw 375 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,360 Speaker 1: my parents and my nieces and nephews, which I did see, 376 00:19:14,400 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: but it was like those those friends that I really 377 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: needed to to also fill me up personally and also 378 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: invest in them. It was important to me and be 379 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: there for their special you know, events in their life 380 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: and their weddings and experiences. Just because I wasn't in 381 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: living in that area didn't mean I shouldn't make time 382 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 1: for it, and I did. So let's talk about when 383 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: you started to think about pivoting out of the corporate career. 384 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 1: Was it when you came back to the US because 385 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: you stayed in it for a little while? Still, right, Yeah, 386 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:42,960 Speaker 1: I stayed for a couple of years, and you know, 387 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: I loved I loved my job. I love managing people, 388 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: I love clients, I love deals, and and so when 389 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: I when I decided that I was going to leave 390 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: banking or at least, you know, take a stop in 391 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: that part of my career, it wasn't because I didn't 392 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: love it. I think the culture where I was was 393 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,440 Speaker 1: not the right culture for me. And I also, in 394 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 1: a very again pivotal conversation with my one of my mentors. 395 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: He said, you know, you need to go somewhere and 396 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,640 Speaker 1: build your continue to build your career somewhere where you're 397 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: able to have a tremendous amount of impact, because that's 398 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 1: when you get I don't want to use the word board, 399 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,000 Speaker 1: but you start to feel sort of antsy when you're 400 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: not having an impact. And so that was a really 401 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: eye opening conversation for me because I'd never ever had 402 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 1: that and I'd never actually looked at myself that way, 403 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:35,600 Speaker 1: but he saw it. He had known me for you know, 404 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:37,919 Speaker 1: close to a decade and he's still a mentor of mine, 405 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 1: and that was a very sparked the idea for me around, wait, 406 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: do I have to do this for the rest of 407 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: my life just because that's what as a gen xer 408 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: I've been kind of told. And then a week or 409 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: so later I had another conversation with him and he said, Kay, 410 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: what's the worst that can happen? You build new skills, 411 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 1: you do something different. If it doesn't work out, you 412 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,600 Speaker 1: can always go back, and your reputation precedes you. And 413 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,679 Speaker 1: so for me that was almost like if you heuish 414 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: my coach or my boss, like this permission to go 415 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 1: and do something different, not knowing what that was going 416 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: to be. And so I decided that I was going 417 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: to take a step back from that particular role. And 418 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,840 Speaker 1: what did I immediately start doing? Like within two weeks 419 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: started interviewing with other banks again, and I said, what, wait, 420 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: you didn't do this. You could have just done that 421 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: when you were still in the institution you work for. 422 00:21:30,800 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 1: And it was in that moment that I allowed myself 423 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: to think. And I didn't even know that this was 424 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,080 Speaker 1: happening at that time, but I came out of an 425 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,959 Speaker 1: event and just wasn't what I wanted it to be, 426 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: and I thought, I think I can do this differently 427 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:49,159 Speaker 1: and better and actually bring more people together versus we 428 00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: get so siloed. And I was called my then he 429 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 1: still is my boyfriend, but I was divorced by then 430 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: in my divorce, and he said write it down and 431 00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:02,360 Speaker 1: I said I'm just spenting and he said, no, no, 432 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 1: you have something and write it down. And so I 433 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,800 Speaker 1: spent the next week or two writing it down. And 434 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: that was the business plan for Luminary. So what is 435 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: it that you were Like what kind of event were 436 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,959 Speaker 1: you at? Yeah, And it sparked it, and like, what 437 00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: were you trying to solve for. So it was a 438 00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 1: very i'll call it intimate fundraiser, charitable fundraiser for about 439 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 1: twenty twenty five women, and a friend of mine had 440 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: invited me. And when I got there, I didn't have 441 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,159 Speaker 1: a job right because I was in this break and 442 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 1: so I really was having a hard time identifying how 443 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,120 Speaker 1: to introduce myself. And there was another woman there from 444 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 1: another financial institution. She was like, Oh, that's so bold, 445 00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: and that's amazing because she was the only person that 446 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 1: would talk that it was talking to me. And so 447 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:47,479 Speaker 1: they went right into this like twenty people, and I'm like, 448 00:22:48,040 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: why is no one getting the opportunity to introduce themselves? 449 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 1: Like I don't know who these people are. And so 450 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: I stopped everyone and I was like, I know we're 451 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: at this dinner, but could we go around the room 452 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:00,400 Speaker 1: and introduce ourselves and tell a little bit of our stories? 453 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 1: And you would have thought I'd eight heads. And these 454 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,439 Speaker 1: are all women that I thought well, and most of 455 00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: them were not working anymore. They had left to raise 456 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:16,920 Speaker 1: their families or do philanthropic things. And these were amazing 457 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: and credible women that had these awesome stories, and yet 458 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 1: then none of them wanted to tell their story. And 459 00:23:24,520 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: I don't know why, but for me, it felt like 460 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: I didn't get an opportunity to know any of them. 461 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 1: I got a business card if I was lucky, and 462 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: there was no connection. And I think because people weren't 463 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,560 Speaker 1: sharing their stories about themselves and maybe they all knew 464 00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 1: each other. I don't think that's the case, but I 465 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: realized that so much of what connection is is being 466 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 1: open to hearing about someone else and wanting to help 467 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: if that's an opportunity, but also sharing our own stories. 468 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: And then I looked around and said, wait a second, 469 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 1: are we doing that in corporate America? How are women 470 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: doing that? Is this holding us back that we're not 471 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,520 Speaker 1: doing this? This goes back to advocacy and advocating for ourselves. 472 00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:10,520 Speaker 1: And then at the same time, I really was watching 473 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: all of these women starting companies which I had no 474 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,560 Speaker 1: interest in, to be honest. And after I wrote this 475 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,320 Speaker 1: what now I know was my business plan, it was 476 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: then I started really doing research and saying, Wow, there's 477 00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:31,239 Speaker 1: an opportunity here that I think is untapped. And I 478 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 1: was only thinking about New York, right, I didn't even 479 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: think about more broadly outside of But I needed that 480 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: community when I came back to New York and I 481 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,439 Speaker 1: didn't have one. What was the original business plan? So 482 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 1: the original business plan was a physical space in New 483 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: York City that women and allies because we've always been 484 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: gender inclusive, but predominantly women, because we were trying to 485 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: advance one of the workforce would come and learn and 486 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 1: connect and collaborate. However, the first audience that was in 487 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:05,160 Speaker 1: that original business plan was really targeted at corporate women 488 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 1: because that's what I knew. And it wasn't until I 489 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: started to do more research that I saw so much 490 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 1: focus on entrepreneurship and women in entrepreneurship and all also 491 00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:18,199 Speaker 1: the lack of capital and all of the things that 492 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: we know, and I was like, wait, that's a whole 493 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,119 Speaker 1: different audience. So what if I got both audiences and 494 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 1: also women like me that are in transition. But what's 495 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,119 Speaker 1: really interesting is that original business plan didn't have the 496 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: word digital or virtual at all. I did a word search, 497 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,000 Speaker 1: like when the pandemic hit, not one, so it was 498 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 1: all around physical and then a year later it changed overnight. 499 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I want to just stick with the original 500 00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,160 Speaker 2: business plan for a second to understand. I mean, you're 501 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 2: talking about three pretty different audiences, bringing in women who 502 00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:56,160 Speaker 2: are within corporate structures, women who are entrepreneurs, and then 503 00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:59,280 Speaker 2: women who are in transition. How did you think about 504 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 2: marketing to each of them to bring them in and 505 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 2: to let them know that they were included and like 506 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 2: really wanted. Like I feel like there's often if you 507 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 2: market to one of those communities and the others feel excluded. 508 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:15,919 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And I think as a banker and walking 509 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:20,280 Speaker 1: into that room of other women that were mainly philanthropic 510 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: and there's nothing against that, but that was in me, 511 00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,720 Speaker 1: I felt immediately excluded. I also had gone through the 512 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: process in London for many years of trying to get 513 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: into the Shortage House, which is part of the SOHO House, 514 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: and I was never accepted because I was a banker 515 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,200 Speaker 1: and they were very clear, we don't want you. That's 516 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: changed now, so nothing against them, but well, once they 517 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: didn't take you, I'd hold it against them. Yeah, So 518 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: when I launched the Luminaria is like, I don't want 519 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: anyone to feel that way. And so that's actually the 520 00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: experience that allowed me to say we're not going to 521 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: have an application process because if it's a true community, 522 00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 1: we break down barriers for people. We don't put up 523 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,159 Speaker 1: barriers for people trying to get in. That's not what 524 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: I experience in a supportive community. And so that was 525 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: always part of the business plan. I remember sort of 526 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: fake pitching it to friends in finance and BC and 527 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,159 Speaker 1: private equity and they're like, Oh, this is never going 528 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,959 Speaker 1: to work. You have to have an application process. But 529 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: that appl not having that application process broke down that 530 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: original barrier that we were talking about around well, that's 531 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,400 Speaker 1: for women in corporate America, that's for people in entrepreneurship, 532 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: that's for people in transition. And so now I'm not judging, 533 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: I'm not there's no criteria around what you do in 534 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 1: your background. I think the other thing is we forget 535 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,520 Speaker 1: that the topics and themes that challenge us or potentially 536 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:39,440 Speaker 1: hold us back, or things we need to invest in, 537 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,239 Speaker 1: whether you're climbing the corporate ladder or you're just navigating it, 538 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: whether you're in transition, you're in a lot of those 539 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:53,920 Speaker 1: are topics are applicable across right, So advocacy, negotiation, relationship building, 540 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: everything that we do on a that we lack or 541 00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:00,359 Speaker 1: we need to invest in. It doesn't matter if you 542 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,120 Speaker 1: are sitting and working for a two hundred and fifty 543 00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:06,320 Speaker 1: thousand percent organization or you're running a two person organization. 544 00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: A lot of those topics are applicable across the journey, 545 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 1: and so what we've done is one make them accessible 546 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:20,119 Speaker 1: and to when we're talking to a specific audience is 547 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 1: really tailor it around them. 548 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,200 Speaker 2: Okay, so you've created a physical space. Your entire business 549 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 2: is raising dedicated on people being in a close knit 550 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 2: strangers being in a close knit space together. The pandemic hits, 551 00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 2: what did you do? Yes? More after the break. 552 00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: So luckily we had a member who are unluckily for her, 553 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: but she gets she was stuck in China and she 554 00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: we chatted me and said, it's worse than they're saying 555 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: it is. So this like two week thing not happening. 556 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 1: And either way, we hadn't shut down yet, New York 557 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: had not shut down yet, but I knew that people 558 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 1: were less and less people were coming in. And also 559 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: I was worried about my staff, and so I called 560 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: an intern in, one of our interns, and I said, hey, 561 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 1: have you ever heard of this thing called zoom? Can 562 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: you just get us a zoom and we'll just see 563 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 1: what that looks like, because we had all this programming 564 00:29:29,440 --> 00:29:31,600 Speaker 1: for the rest of March it was Women's History Month, 565 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 1: and I needed to continue to deliver that whether it 566 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: was two weeks or two months. And she called me 567 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: and she goes, it's free for thirty days. I said, 568 00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: do I have to put a credit card down? And 569 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: she said yes because after thirty days. I said, oh, well, 570 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 1: we won't have it for after thirty days. Yeah, here, 571 00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: I have like one hundred zoom counts already now. And 572 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: that was it. So overnight, before New York, even before 573 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 1: the physical space even shut down, we went online and 574 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: I remember our first program was don't touch your face, 575 00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: don't touch your four oh one k because everyone was 576 00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:04,719 Speaker 1: talking about like you, you know, touching your mouth, and 577 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:07,479 Speaker 1: then everyone was panicking, Oh my gosh, you know, it's 578 00:30:07,520 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 1: going to be like two thousand and eight, and so 579 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: that really for us, it was we didn't know it 580 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 1: then because we were in sort of fight or flight 581 00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:18,880 Speaker 1: mode because we didn't know if we were going to 582 00:30:19,160 --> 00:30:22,840 Speaker 1: make it, But it was the beginning of such an 583 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: amazing opportunity for us to think about how do we 584 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 1: reach more people and have more impact and make what 585 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: we were doing much more accessible. Than just in New York, 586 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,640 Speaker 1: and that's really what what transpired. But it was those 587 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:40,400 Speaker 1: first March, April, May June was the hardest for the 588 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 1: six months of my career, hands down, way harder than 589 00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: the Financial crisis. 590 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 2: Wow. Wow. And I was a banker, right, I mean, 591 00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 2: that's that's quite a statement, to be harder than the 592 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 2: financial crisis. Why do you think this was harder? How well? One? 593 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,480 Speaker 1: You know, I don't. I mean, even with all of 594 00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,560 Speaker 1: the cuts during the financial crisis, I don't think I 595 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 1: ever really feared for my job. I was, I was, 596 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, really doing a great job. And I don't 597 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: think I ever really thought, am I going to lose 598 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 1: my job? When everybody in that company relies on you 599 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: to pay their rent, or their mortgage or their childcare, 600 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,880 Speaker 1: it's it's a real rude awakening of the of the 601 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:22,920 Speaker 1: realities of what's happening and also the pressure of what 602 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: was going on. And so we knew we had to 603 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:30,479 Speaker 1: adapt very quickly in order to just stay alive for 604 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: a couple of months. And I think I went back 605 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:36,480 Speaker 1: to that original business plan and said, what could we 606 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:42,800 Speaker 1: do that could be innovating but also still at the 607 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:47,200 Speaker 1: core of our community. And if you remember so many individuals. 608 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 1: So we have two you know, very again distinct audiences 609 00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:51,640 Speaker 1: in that we have B two C and B too. 610 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: B B two C. Everybody's worried. It's like, oh my gosh, 611 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: like I'm going to pull back on my spending B 612 00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,719 Speaker 1: to B. It was trying to figure out all these 613 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: company these were trying to figure out how do they 614 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: stay close to their people and connect them. And so 615 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: we had already had some great companies that we were 616 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,080 Speaker 1: working with, and I called them and said, I think, 617 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: you know, let's double down. And now it doesn't have 618 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: to be in New York. I can reach your women 619 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 1: and your allies anywhere in the world. And that sort 620 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: of I think innovation and adapting and a pivot in 621 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: a way was huge for us. 622 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. It created a different way of thinking and a 623 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 2: different pathway of opportunity. 624 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: Absolutely. 625 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,080 Speaker 2: But while she was finding her stride with Luminary, behind 626 00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 2: the scenes, she was dealing with a diagnosis that changed 627 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 2: her life. After the break, Kate dives into the personal 628 00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 2: that was behind her professional career. You know, the crux 629 00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 2: of this show is that these personal things that happen 630 00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 2: outside of us, like that we can't control end up 631 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,600 Speaker 2: opening up different opportunities. Like they're hard in the moment, 632 00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,400 Speaker 2: and then they end up opening up different opportunities that 633 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 2: we couldn't have even thought of. And a long which 634 00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:15,040 Speaker 2: is basically this, I'd say, but this is still even 635 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 2: kind of professional. You yourself have had a variety of 636 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,440 Speaker 2: health challenges that have taken you in different directions. Can 637 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:25,760 Speaker 2: you talk through that for us? Yeah? 638 00:33:25,800 --> 00:33:27,920 Speaker 1: And I think it's you know, it makes you feel 639 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:32,320 Speaker 1: really human when you go through something that you never expected. 640 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 1: I actually it started actually in March of twenty twenty 641 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 1: because as everything was shutting down, we were now locked down, 642 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:40,880 Speaker 1: and I started getting sick and I thought, oh, it's 643 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 1: just like cold, and then no, it was COVID. So 644 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 1: it was the original first strain, if you want to 645 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: call it that, and I was trying to keep the 646 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: company in business. I was going through PPP, the paycheck 647 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: Protection Program, and it was really really rough on my body. 648 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:00,400 Speaker 1: And I think what should have been a two week 649 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,480 Speaker 1: maybe three week sickness lasted well into six to eight 650 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: weeks because I wasn't getting any rest. And I think 651 00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:10,760 Speaker 1: that took a tremendous amount of a put a tremendous 652 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,560 Speaker 1: amount of strain on my body. But then I didn't 653 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,080 Speaker 1: stop right, so I just kept going and it's the 654 00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: pandemic and I've got to keep the business going. And 655 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 1: then in twenty twenty two, after failing to go to 656 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: a mammogram for two years, I was like, oh, I 657 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,359 Speaker 1: guess go to collegist said you have to do this. 658 00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: You're not leaving my office until you go schedule your mammogram. 659 00:34:29,360 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 2: Fine, do it. 660 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,920 Speaker 1: And then I was going to get on a zoom 661 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,880 Speaker 1: for about five hundred people one of our corporate clients, 662 00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 1: and my phone rings literally like two minutes before, and 663 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: it's my doctor and they're like, hey, you know, very 664 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 1: matter of fact, your biopsy came back because I had 665 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 1: to have a biopsy. You have stage one breast cancer 666 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,120 Speaker 1: and now we need you to get in touch with 667 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: the rest surgeon did and I remember not even listening. 668 00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:55,919 Speaker 1: I was like, wait, what would they just say? 669 00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: Huh? 670 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:58,920 Speaker 1: And I'm trying to take notes while also thinking I 671 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: have to go lead this gigantic zoom session. And I 672 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,160 Speaker 1: hung up and I get on the zoom and my 673 00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 1: COO at the time, who's still our advisor and our 674 00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:11,799 Speaker 1: general counsel, could see my face and she DMed me 675 00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,840 Speaker 1: in the zoom and said do you need a minute? 676 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:16,920 Speaker 1: And I said yeah, as I just needed to collect myself. 677 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,920 Speaker 1: I got back on into the zoom and then she 678 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,960 Speaker 1: came into the beauty bar, which which is where I 679 00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,240 Speaker 1: was doing the zoom from, and she said what happened? 680 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,800 Speaker 1: And I had to say it out loud, and She's like, Okay, 681 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,200 Speaker 1: you're leaving, You're going home. I'm going to walk you home. 682 00:35:30,920 --> 00:35:33,879 Speaker 1: And I'm getting a little emotional now because I don't 683 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: think if she had done that, I think I would 684 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,279 Speaker 1: have just kept powering through that day. But it was 685 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,600 Speaker 1: really I just couldn't believe and I knew that it 686 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:43,960 Speaker 1: was stage one and it was all that was curable, 687 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,839 Speaker 1: and I was in New York City and the best 688 00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:48,439 Speaker 1: city in the world for medicine. But you think you're 689 00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 1: invincible and then that happens, and it was. It has 690 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 1: been a journey, and I have not been as open 691 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 1: about it, not because I'm not open. I'm an open book, 692 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:06,920 Speaker 1: but I think I've also had to behind the scenes 693 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 1: deal with having surgery, having treatment, getting ontomoxifen, which is 694 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: the absolute worst medicine in the world, but it's a lifesaver. 695 00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: Then having so many complications from breast cancer and the 696 00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,759 Speaker 1: medicine likely that led me to have a hysterectomy, a 697 00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: full hysterectomy in January of this year. And if I 698 00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:30,239 Speaker 1: thought I needed help when I was going through the 699 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 1: breast cancer, boy, what did I underestimate what kind of 700 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: help I was going to need when I had a 701 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: full hysterectomy. And coming from someone who never had children, unfortunately, 702 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:41,840 Speaker 1: you know, I never I didn't have any of that 703 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:45,200 Speaker 1: sort of like what happens when your body goes through trauma. 704 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,879 Speaker 1: So that has been May of twenty twenty two, that's 705 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,120 Speaker 1: when I was diagnosed and then I had my full 706 00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,920 Speaker 1: hysterectomy January, and I would say, I'm still on the 707 00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:54,760 Speaker 1: on the journey. 708 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,600 Speaker 2: Do you think that you've had to adjust the way 709 00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:02,799 Speaker 2: you think about your work, your impact, your time as 710 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,879 Speaker 2: you've been recovering and gone through these different phases. Yes, 711 00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:07,160 Speaker 2: and no. 712 00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 1: I don't think my focus and my drive and my 713 00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 1: determination are different, but how I do it is. And 714 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,840 Speaker 1: I think the hysterectomy. If you had asked any of 715 00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:21,560 Speaker 1: my team when I was going through the breast cancer 716 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:23,759 Speaker 1: and all that I don't think they would have said 717 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 1: that there was a huge change because I just sort 718 00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 1: of got on with it and I kind of managed 719 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 1: things around it. When the doctor told my surgeon told 720 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: me that I was going to have to take at 721 00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,200 Speaker 1: least six weeks to eight weeks for recovery for the hysterectomy, 722 00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,280 Speaker 1: I just said, no, that's got to be a joke. 723 00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 1: That's a long time. And I had to mentally come 724 00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,800 Speaker 1: to the grips with it. I needed to let go 725 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 1: and this was going to be not a huge opportunity 726 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,799 Speaker 1: for me and the team, and they just were incredible. 727 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,680 Speaker 1: They have been incredible and continue to be incredible, and 728 00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: so for me that almost the entire month of January, 729 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,080 Speaker 1: it did not do one video. I did a few zooms, 730 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:07,359 Speaker 1: but I really and I told people, I'm on short 731 00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:11,360 Speaker 1: term medical leave and this is who's handling things in 732 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 1: the team. And I really had to let go of that, 733 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:15,919 Speaker 1: and I think it was one of the best things 734 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 1: that I could have done as a leader for me, 735 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: but also for my team, because oh did they shine 736 00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: and they continue to and I saw that when I 737 00:38:25,160 --> 00:38:27,680 Speaker 1: was going through COVID and we were all at home 738 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: and we got to see different strengths from our team members, 739 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:35,080 Speaker 1: and I think I temporarily forgot that that people really 740 00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:37,839 Speaker 1: can step up to the plate and shine and if 741 00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,560 Speaker 1: you give them the opportunity. So that's really what's come 742 00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:44,520 Speaker 1: out of this for me, and not holding on so 743 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: tightly to every single thing just because it's my company 744 00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:53,040 Speaker 1: and really allowing people to have wings and sort of 745 00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 1: take flight and own it. Yeah, there's opportunity, but it's 746 00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,440 Speaker 1: hard for people to do, especially when they found company 747 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: and continue to run it. Yes, and I think I've 748 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:06,120 Speaker 1: learned a lot too. 749 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:07,359 Speaker 2: I also learned. 750 00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: I think that it is really important outside of work 751 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: to lean on the people that love you. And I 752 00:39:14,640 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 1: think I've always preached that right so to my family 753 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,120 Speaker 1: and to friends, like lean on me, lean on me, 754 00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:22,880 Speaker 1: and I don't think I ever really practiced what I preached. 755 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: And this was a great exercise. If you will on, 756 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,120 Speaker 1: you have to lean on the people that are around you, 757 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 1: and you have to ask for help and you tell 758 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,319 Speaker 1: everyone that, but you're not doing it. So start role modeling, Kate. 759 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,440 Speaker 1: So that was a wake up call for me too. 760 00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. Around the time of your Hysteric d Mags, a 761 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 2: little bit after you had written on your Instagram that 762 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,640 Speaker 2: you were angry, that you were angry that the organ 763 00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 2: that you had never gotten to use to have kids 764 00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:53,479 Speaker 2: was now the thing that was making you sick. 765 00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, it still makes me angry because I think there's 766 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,799 Speaker 1: obviously a societal thing that says, like, women, you're here 767 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,840 Speaker 1: to pro create and to have a family. And I have, 768 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,040 Speaker 1: you know, brothers. I have a brother on each side. 769 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,399 Speaker 1: I have ten incredible nieces and nephews who I love, 770 00:40:10,600 --> 00:40:13,560 Speaker 1: and so I always wanted to have a family. I 771 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: really it was such a big part of what at 772 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: some point I was going to be able to do. 773 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 1: And when I wasn't successful, I beat the shit out 774 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,640 Speaker 1: of myself. Right, I can be successful at every single thing, 775 00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:30,919 Speaker 1: but I can't do this and my body won't work. 776 00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 1: And so fast forward I went. I mean, I went 777 00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,759 Speaker 1: through a lot of IBF and then to have to 778 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,360 Speaker 1: find out that they're going to take everything that that 779 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,359 Speaker 1: sort of like makes you a woman. That didn't work 780 00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: on me. I didn't think it was going to be 781 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 1: a big deal. Emily, I didn't. And then it just 782 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: hit me one night that I had to grieve something 783 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: that I could never do. But it still felt like 784 00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,439 Speaker 1: a loss and how that is. And I know that's 785 00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:04,279 Speaker 1: you know, we get into that and there's lots of 786 00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,280 Speaker 1: people that have way worse things. But I just felt 787 00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 1: in that moment when I posted that I am angry 788 00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 1: because something that I wanted so badly in my life 789 00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,320 Speaker 1: was enabled could happen. And now even though I the 790 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,320 Speaker 1: doctors had always told me after the IVF, I was 791 00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:22,279 Speaker 1: not going to be able to be successful, I think 792 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,239 Speaker 1: once they take it out, it's like, well then it's 793 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: really never going to happen. Not that it was going 794 00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: to happen anyway, but it was just cemented that. And 795 00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 1: I'm still grieving that because it's it's a hard thing 796 00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,279 Speaker 1: to go through and by the way, it puts you 797 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 1: an immediate menopause and that's also you know, terrible. So 798 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,239 Speaker 1: it's it's just a lot to deal with and emotionally 799 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: and mentally, and I think for me cathartic to just 800 00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:51,719 Speaker 1: share that on Instagram or even here, because I don't, 801 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 1: you know, there's definitely still a lot of anger in there. 802 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,359 Speaker 1: And I the more I share, the better I feel. 803 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: And the other thing is the more I share, kind 804 00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,360 Speaker 1: of like what we were talking about the beginning this 805 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,520 Speaker 1: group therapy, Like the more I share or I really 806 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,440 Speaker 1: open my heart and my eyes to listen to others 807 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:09,799 Speaker 1: about their experiences, and I learned so much. 808 00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 2: You know, often at this point in the interview, I 809 00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 2: would ask somebody to maybe like how they got through it, 810 00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:16,839 Speaker 2: But I don't think that's a fair question to ask 811 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 2: you right now. You're in it and like you're still 812 00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 2: having these waves of anger, maybe angry all the time. 813 00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,719 Speaker 2: So how do you move through life with these big emotions? 814 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:29,800 Speaker 2: You know? 815 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:36,280 Speaker 1: One is I always have something that I am focused 816 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,400 Speaker 1: on professionally and personally, right so I'm a goal oriented person. 817 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: I always have something, and so for me, a little 818 00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,839 Speaker 1: bit of is it And I'm again I'm not I'm 819 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: not saying this is the best way, but I want 820 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,040 Speaker 1: to kind of just like move on, get on with it, 821 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,400 Speaker 1: and keep going because it will get better. I have 822 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 1: learned in this kind of moment. Is my boyfriend Joe, 823 00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:00,520 Speaker 1: who is amazing, would say, you know, you're all a boss, 824 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:02,440 Speaker 1: and he doesn't mean that in a negative way, but 825 00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 1: he's like, you're so tough and you have to let 826 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:07,200 Speaker 1: open yourself up. So part of me is still trying 827 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,520 Speaker 1: to figure out how to do that. I do that 828 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 1: with my mom, my poor mom, every day. But that 829 00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: helps me move on. And also knowing that I have 830 00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 1: remarkable team and I have remarkable friends that if I 831 00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: need them, I can call on them, and even if 832 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: I don't call on them, just knowing that they're there. 833 00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,680 Speaker 1: But the other is I've got all these people in 834 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,640 Speaker 1: my community watching me, and I have nieces, and I 835 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 1: want them to know it's okay to be honest about 836 00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:41,160 Speaker 1: how we're feeling and that life is shitty sometimes and 837 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:44,600 Speaker 1: that we have to ask for help. So as an entrepreneur, 838 00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: you know, we have this emotional rollercoaster of like the 839 00:43:47,120 --> 00:43:49,400 Speaker 1: terrible highs and lows. I think as humans we have that, 840 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,320 Speaker 1: and I just have to embrace both of them, because 841 00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,000 Speaker 1: if you try to fight the lows all the time, 842 00:43:57,920 --> 00:43:59,879 Speaker 1: I think you just get stuck in it even more. 843 00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,320 Speaker 1: And so I have good days and bad days. I 844 00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,480 Speaker 1: have good hours and bad hours, and that's really how 845 00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:06,640 Speaker 1: I just kind of move I'm learning to move through it. 846 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a very real answer. You've referenced something that 847 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 2: I think over the course of interview, something that I 848 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:16,719 Speaker 2: think about a lot is redefining success for myself at 849 00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:19,399 Speaker 2: different points in my life. How do you think you're 850 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:22,120 Speaker 2: defining your success for yourself right now at this point. 851 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,000 Speaker 1: Doing my best every day. You know, I tell my 852 00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,640 Speaker 1: team all the time, we're never going to make everybody happy, 853 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,200 Speaker 1: and it's hard to run a company and whatever job 854 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,160 Speaker 1: you're in. I think if you go to work every 855 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,239 Speaker 1: day or show up in your personal life every day 856 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:38,160 Speaker 1: with the best intentions and giving it your all, and 857 00:44:38,239 --> 00:44:40,880 Speaker 1: it sounds kind of like a TV commercial from the eighties, 858 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: but that's how I was raised, and I think at 859 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:47,440 Speaker 1: forty nine, so much of how I was raised is 860 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:51,480 Speaker 1: really being reinforced now that I'm in that sort of 861 00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:56,600 Speaker 1: you know, my mid life and my definition of success 862 00:44:57,200 --> 00:45:01,440 Speaker 1: really now changes kind of daily. It changes in the 863 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,239 Speaker 1: way that if I had a really great conversation with 864 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,360 Speaker 1: an employee, too, I had a productive conversation with you know, 865 00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:14,040 Speaker 1: my boyfriend too, I had an impactful dialogue about, you know, 866 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:19,160 Speaker 1: supporting someone's journey through menopause or loss or getting a promotion. 867 00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:23,319 Speaker 1: So for me, it's it used to be. It used 868 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:26,040 Speaker 1: to be just everything about my career, and that is 869 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,560 Speaker 1: definitely still me and I own that and I love 870 00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:29,200 Speaker 1: that part of me. 871 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:31,320 Speaker 2: But I can do that. 872 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,320 Speaker 1: I can still be relentless on my career and everything 873 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,480 Speaker 1: we're trying to build by also having a life and 874 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,080 Speaker 1: really embracing the love that I have in it. 875 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:47,279 Speaker 2: That's so beautiful. What is one thing that at the 876 00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,880 Speaker 2: time you saw as being like a negative or a 877 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,839 Speaker 2: setbacker really a low, and now in retrospect you see 878 00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,040 Speaker 2: it's having really launched you into the success you. 879 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,600 Speaker 1: Are right now. So I really when I when I 880 00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,000 Speaker 1: decided to do the sort of leave banking, and I 881 00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,080 Speaker 1: kind of sort of say it was like a temporary 882 00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:06,560 Speaker 1: exit because you never know and never say never. But 883 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:10,200 Speaker 1: for about two months, I was really in a state 884 00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,319 Speaker 1: of depression. And I think this is important for people 885 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,400 Speaker 1: that are going through transition. Whether you've been part of 886 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 1: a job for production or you've made the choice to 887 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,200 Speaker 1: do something different and you're kind of figuring it out. 888 00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,360 Speaker 1: It's really lonely because everybody else is at work and 889 00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:28,279 Speaker 1: you're making this huge decision and everyone's going this is 890 00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,600 Speaker 1: so inspiring and amazing, and I can't believe you're doing this, 891 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:33,880 Speaker 1: and you're feeling like, oh my god, what did I do? 892 00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:38,040 Speaker 1: And I really felt that I was really depressed and 893 00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 1: I didn't know what to do. And no one knew that. 894 00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:44,600 Speaker 1: Nobody knew that except for my boyfriend and my mom 895 00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 1: and maybe a few close friends, but very few. And 896 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,440 Speaker 1: I was so tied and tied up into my identity, 897 00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:56,480 Speaker 1: which was work. And it was really like, oh my god, 898 00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:59,200 Speaker 1: I don't have this thing that has defined me for 899 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:04,400 Speaker 1: twenty years, and now I've totally redefined that for myself. 900 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: And I didn't even know that that's what I was 901 00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:11,160 Speaker 1: going to do. And so I just think of myself 902 00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:13,880 Speaker 1: those almost two months sitting in my bathroom of my 903 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,799 Speaker 1: apartment and thinking what did I do? I just blew 904 00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,320 Speaker 1: up my life in lots of different reasons and ways. 905 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:21,759 Speaker 1: And now I look back and said I had to 906 00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:26,480 Speaker 1: go through that because now I can be a better advocate, 907 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:31,040 Speaker 1: I can be a better leader, manager, founder, because now 908 00:47:31,080 --> 00:47:34,480 Speaker 1: I can put myself in the shoes of different people before. 909 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:36,880 Speaker 1: I don't think I think I've said I could do that, 910 00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:39,480 Speaker 1: and I don't truly think I could have. There's so 911 00:47:39,719 --> 00:47:42,480 Speaker 1: much now on social media, and there's so much and 912 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 1: we can create these great brands and personal brands and stories. 913 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 1: But I truly feel like every day that I show up, 914 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,399 Speaker 1: I'm honest and I'm open and I'm direct and sort 915 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,839 Speaker 1: of what you see is what you get, and that's 916 00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,000 Speaker 1: me and I'm okay with that. And someone doesn't like it. 917 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,839 Speaker 1: They don't like get One of my old bosses said, 918 00:48:01,880 --> 00:48:04,239 Speaker 1: not everybody's gonna like you, but hopefully they respect you. 919 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,120 Speaker 1: And so I think whoever's listening, whoever out there, is 920 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:11,680 Speaker 1: like just own who you are, whether you're twenty five 921 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:14,279 Speaker 1: or forty nine or seventy whatever it is. And so 922 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:18,239 Speaker 1: for me, it's like, I am tough, I am relentless, 923 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,560 Speaker 1: I am I'm not as emotionally in touch with myself 924 00:48:22,640 --> 00:48:25,280 Speaker 1: as I should be. I don't have a skincare regime, 925 00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:28,600 Speaker 1: and that's okay because that's who I am, and I'm 926 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:29,560 Speaker 1: pretty happy with that. 927 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:33,600 Speaker 2: Kate, thank you so much for joining. She pivots so 928 00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:34,400 Speaker 2: good to have you on. 929 00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,480 Speaker 1: Likewise, I'm so happy to be here and it's so 930 00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:38,520 Speaker 1: good to see your face too. 931 00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:46,560 Speaker 2: No, I know this just flew right by. Kate and 932 00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,960 Speaker 2: Luminary are still in New York City, so if you're 933 00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,000 Speaker 2: in the area, consider joining in person to truly tap 934 00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,960 Speaker 2: into the magic of her community. You can visit their 935 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,320 Speaker 2: website we are luminary dot com to learn more. 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