1 00:00:01,000 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: This is the most dramatic podcast ever. And iHeartRadio podcast. 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: Chris Harrison and lauren'z ema with you. Coming from the 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: home office in Austin, Texas. I hope everybody is having 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 1: a great week. We had a wonderful weekend. We had 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: just had our first taste of bottle Rock, this music 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: festival in Napa Valley that we attended this weekend. 7 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 2: Taste in the wine, taste in the festival. I walked 8 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 2: away feeling great. I will say, you know, in Napa 9 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: you're drinking good wine and it's interesting and it makes 10 00:00:33,400 --> 00:00:36,239 Speaker 2: me question some of the wine available for consumers. But 11 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 2: don't you feel like there's a quality issue. Like I 12 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,080 Speaker 2: drank on Thursday night. I drank a good amount of 13 00:00:41,080 --> 00:00:42,560 Speaker 2: wine and I still felt great. 14 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: It's like when you go to Italy. You can just 15 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: eat all the Italian food you want. You never bloated, 16 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,680 Speaker 1: you never feel sick. You have one meal here in 17 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: the States and you want to get your stomach pumped. Yes, 18 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 1: kind of like that. 19 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 2: Although I will say I was hydrating. I knew what 20 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 2: we were getting into. You know, in my mind, this 21 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 2: is a music festival. It's like going to a theme park, 22 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: you know, how you prepare for that. And you've got 23 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: like your bag and you have your son's screen, and 24 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 2: you had I had my go Hydrate packets. I love 25 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 2: that brand. It's a little packet you can put in 26 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,800 Speaker 2: your water for electrolytes and vitamins. And you know, I'm like, 27 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 2: I've got comfortable shoes on. Okay, well the first day 28 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 2: I thought the boots were going to be more comfortable 29 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: than they were. But anyway, you have to prepare overall. 30 00:01:24,880 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 1: You and I are not music festival people, you. 31 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: Know, And this confirmed that for me. In fact, I 32 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 2: would say cemented it. Look, we'd never been and this 33 00:01:33,959 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: is no shade to bottle rock. I of music festivals period. 34 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 2: I thought it was put on so well. The cleanest bathrooms, 35 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 2: the cleanest bathroom goes, highest quality port of potties I've seen. 36 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 2: It's for real at a music festival. 37 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:50,040 Speaker 1: I would say, Look, if you're going to do a 38 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 1: music festival, I've done the stage coach Coachella thing. 39 00:01:53,960 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 2: You've done Coach. 40 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:58,919 Speaker 1: No, I did stage coach. Oh it's same place, same venue, 41 00:01:58,960 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: same everything. 42 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:01,520 Speaker 2: Wait were you we had stage coach because there was 43 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,639 Speaker 2: a dime in bachelor history when stage coach was almost 44 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: synonymous with the Bachelor World, and there were a lot 45 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 2: of relationship drama, hookup headlines from the Bachelor World coming 46 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,679 Speaker 2: out of Stage Coach, interactions between contestants. 47 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: I was there, well, I did a very different version 48 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: of Stage Coach. I went with a friend that roan. 49 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 2: At that one. 50 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, me, all of them. They all definitely manifested during 51 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 1: that time. Stories came out. It was really interesting. What 52 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: Lauren's talking about is we would go to Paradise and 53 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: which as we shot it usually in June. It was 54 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: about a month or two after Coachella and Stage Coach, 55 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 1: where all Bachelor and Bacherette contestants go to die I 56 00:02:39,600 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: mean go to influence things they're wearing and selling. So 57 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: but what was funny is the stories and the hookups 58 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: and all the sex that happened at this music festival 59 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:51,480 Speaker 1: bled into Paradise. 60 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: Did you just say sex? Chris Harrison says that word 61 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 2: so rarely. Did you ever say sex in any of 62 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: your years on the show? 63 00:02:57,560 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: Said they're doing the sex. No, I'm sure I did. 64 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure I said sex over the last twenty years. 65 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:04,239 Speaker 2: I don't know why that just stuck out to me. 66 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 2: I don't think you said it that often. 67 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 1: I probably probably not because you weren't allowed to. 68 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:10,639 Speaker 2: Do it say night in the fantasy exactly. So wait, 69 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:11,720 Speaker 2: what weren't you allowed to say? 70 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,919 Speaker 1: No? I'm just saying you wouldn't go to somebody and say. 71 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 2: Oh no, But I've just seen you guys having sex. Sure, 72 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: but I've never taken you on this tangent before. Did 73 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 2: you have words you either could not or chows to 74 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 2: never say on. 75 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:31,960 Speaker 1: No, Well, there was one particular time with this particular person, Rosalind. 76 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember. She was the one 77 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: that had inappropriate relationship with one of our producers. Yes, 78 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: and I when I pulled her aside, there were when 79 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: I got to work that day, there were a copious 80 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 1: amount of lawyers. All of a sudden people I did 81 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: not recognize, people I didn't know, and all of a 82 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: sudden they pulled me aside and we had very long, 83 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: lengthy talks of things I could say, things I couldn't 84 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: say to her when I removed her from the set. 85 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: Anything you can share about what you couldn't say. 86 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: It was just very careful about not saying basically what 87 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: saying you had sex with the space. Okay, Hey, you 88 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: had sex with one of our producers. You can't so 89 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 1: like we couldn't allege that we couldn't. But it also 90 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 1: muddied the water so much that it really didn't tell 91 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: the story of what happened, which was interesting. But that 92 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: was one that was really one of the times I 93 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:27,599 Speaker 1: can remember. Then there was the debacle obviously that happened 94 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: in Paradise. 95 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 2: There were a lot of things that happened, but I 96 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: think that was one thing. I mean, getting back to 97 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: Paradise and Stagecoach and all that. It had to be 98 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 2: hard for you guys when things happened off camera before 99 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: filming and then you had to like explain it and 100 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:47,320 Speaker 2: get into it now with cameras on, but not in 101 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,040 Speaker 2: a boring way, in a way that's still interesting even 102 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 2: though you had no footage of what happened at those fastiles. 103 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 1: It's kind of like what you know, Vander pump Rules 104 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 1: is dealing with, you know, like everything happened off camera, 105 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,359 Speaker 1: having to try to tell this and take advantag And 106 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:02,600 Speaker 1: I think wasn't Dean a part of all that At 107 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: one point, I think he got involved in a big 108 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:08,880 Speaker 1: kind of melee triangle at the. 109 00:05:09,720 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 2: Sort of labeled the f Boy of one summer, and. 110 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: I think it all came out of Coachella, which, by 111 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: the way, we digress, this did not happen to us 112 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: at Napa Lolor and I did. At no time were 113 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:23,800 Speaker 1: were swinging or trying alternative art. 114 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 2: Now he just said swinging. Okay, we're a big day 115 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 2: for Chris Harrison. 116 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,160 Speaker 1: But back to my original point. If you're going to 117 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: do a music festival Napa Valley, where it is surrounded 118 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 1: by wine, it's surrounded by food, this is a great 119 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: place to do it. 120 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 2: And I don't know if this is just me being, 121 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,960 Speaker 2: you know, an elder, I don't know, but it was 122 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: just comfortable. I've never done Coachella because I have friends 123 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 2: who have done Coachella, and it's kind of a staple 124 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: if you live in the LA area, especially if you're 125 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 2: in the entertainment business. But my friends would tell me, 126 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 2: and from what I'd see, it just looks very hot 127 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 2: and very dusty. And that's not for me. I'm not 128 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 2: I don't want to pay for an experience that I 129 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 2: feel like I'm trying to survive. And that's what Coachella 130 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,320 Speaker 2: always looks like to me. Now, if you are someone 131 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 2: who enjoys that and who very much enjoys live music. 132 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 2: Then I get why a music festival appeals to you. 133 00:06:15,920 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 2: I do think I'm an outlier in that I'm not 134 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 2: like the biggest live music fan. I just stand there. 135 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 1: At differ upon in our real greatly. 136 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,839 Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter the artist. It's just I sort 137 00:06:29,839 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 2: of again, I really enjoyed Bottle Rock overall, but we 138 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: did it very comfortably. But I don't understand at a 139 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: music festival, or even at a concert, why we are 140 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: all standing crowded together so far from the artist and 141 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,840 Speaker 2: we're just watching them on a screen. I just think 142 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:50,120 Speaker 2: to myself, I would either rather see very intimate live 143 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 2: music by a lesser known person, like in a cool 144 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: club here in Austin, which I love, or I would 145 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: rather watch you know, the HBO documentary on the concert 146 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 2: from my home when it comes out a. 147 00:07:00,279 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: Moment when you and I were standing to watch Chicago's 148 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 1: own Smashing Pumpkins. 149 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: By the way, grew up loving them. I am from Chicago, 150 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 2: my friends had crushes on them. 151 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: We were there on a side stage, so we're we're 152 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: in the crowd where we're you know, jockeying for position, 153 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:16,080 Speaker 1: and you're you're looking at me, like, what are we 154 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,240 Speaker 1: doing here? What are all these people doing here? And 155 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: my thing is I don't necessarily love being, you know, 156 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: down in the crowd in amash pit, but I love 157 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:29,600 Speaker 1: being in a place, whether it's music, art, whatever it is, 158 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: where all of the people are there with one concerted 159 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: energy and vibe and desire to be a part of this. 160 00:07:41,240 --> 00:07:46,119 Speaker 1: And you share that there's this kind of electrical current 161 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: current that goes through everybody. We all share that you're 162 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: just swinging with the current. Yeah, you're at a You 163 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: two show. Everybody is there to see you too because 164 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: we love you too, and we're sharing that one moment. 165 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: And there's just something about that euphoria that you only 166 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: get at concerts. I don't get it when I'm watching Netflix. 167 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 1: I don't get it when I'm listening to my cassette player. 168 00:08:08,720 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know. And by the way, you can go 169 00:08:10,560 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 2: have like a crazy fun night at a concert and 170 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: meet new people and get into adventures again. Maybe it's 171 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:21,240 Speaker 2: that I'm elder I don't have the capacity for like now. Look, 172 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: I will also say this festival is three days. I 173 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: think maybe if we've done one day, but three days 174 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: of like we're getting on a shuttle and we are. 175 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 2: It just took so much energy. 176 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 1: It's a marathon, not a sprint. Is there anybody that 177 00:08:33,559 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: really stood out to you? 178 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 2: Yes, I'm really I'm making it you guys. I enjoyed myself. 179 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 2: I did. Leon Bridges was amazing you and I love Leon. 180 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,559 Speaker 1: Bridges generational talent. I mean, he is just so remarkable. 181 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:47,840 Speaker 1: If you don't know Leon Bridges, first of all, prepare 182 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:51,520 Speaker 1: to have some baby makeing time. It is. He just 183 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: has that voice. 184 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 2: His voice is like honey. And he's from Fort Worth, 185 00:08:55,640 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 2: I believe Texas, yes, or a Worth boy and will 186 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 2: you and I kind of made a decision after seeing 187 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: Leon Bridges at Bottle Rock. 188 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: Are you about to announce this? 189 00:09:06,480 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: You do it because it was your choice. 190 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: It was I won't say which song. It's probably pretty obvious, 191 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: but I love Leon Bridges. I've met him. He is 192 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 1: a really good dude, and I think he's so talented. 193 00:09:21,000 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: And there was a song that it came about about 194 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: the time you and I got serious, and we've enjoyed 195 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:30,200 Speaker 1: this song over and over. He played that song and 196 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: I said, this is our wedding song. This is what 197 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: I want. Every time I hear that song, I think 198 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,480 Speaker 1: of you, I think of us, and it means the 199 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: world to me, and it just kind of says it all. 200 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 1: And that's It's a song. I'm sure it's played it 201 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: basically every wedding in the world right now. But I 202 00:09:46,000 --> 00:09:46,720 Speaker 1: love that song. 203 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 2: Well, bottle Rock had a big purpose, so we. 204 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 1: Got that, and but we did have one argument, and 205 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:58,440 Speaker 1: this was kind of a generational divide. There was a 206 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: couple headliners going against each other. One thing that was 207 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 1: tough about Bottle Rock is at eight o'clock every night, 208 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 1: there were two kind of headliners and Saturday was Lizzo. Yes, 209 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 1: that I definitely wanted to see. I love Lizzo and 210 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: she crushed it. But generationally speaking, Duran Duran was also 211 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 1: playing at the exact same time, at the exact same 212 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: time across the facility. 213 00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 2: Look, it wasn't a question for me. I know a 214 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 2: couple Duran Duran's songs, all the Love for Hungry, Like 215 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: the Wolf and Rio. But Lizzo gave a performance you 216 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 2: want to talk about the standout performance of the festival. 217 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: It was fascinating and fabulous to watch her because I 218 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,319 Speaker 2: actually felt like what was interesting about the music festival 219 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 2: perspective is you can kind of see just the different 220 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 2: levels of not just musical talent, but performance ability and 221 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 2: quality of the different artists. And Lizzo gave a show. 222 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 2: She was talking to the audience, sharing with them, connecting 223 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 2: with them. She had choreography, amazing dancers, she had you know, graphics. 224 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 1: And so it just felt like really loves the B word. 225 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: Well, hey, she owns it. She post Malone really loves 226 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 2: the F word. Yes, yeah, post What was fun about 227 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: being at Bottle Rock was we played a drinking game 228 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,079 Speaker 2: and we drank every time. Post Malone dropped n F. 229 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:24,280 Speaker 1: Bu every time, and he would use it four or 230 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 1: five times per sentence, and I'm not joking. 231 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: Group got pretty drunk. 232 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 1: There were times he would say the F word five 233 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: times in one sentence. Sometimes it was a string of them. 234 00:11:36,720 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: It f yeah, uh huh. And it was pretty wild 235 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: only to be outdone by Lizzo. 236 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 2: And I do not think he was outdone. There's no comparicony. 237 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:48,360 Speaker 1: But to your point, by the way, there are certain 238 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 1: performers that are just rock stars, and these people come 239 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:54,080 Speaker 1: go on to be legends because they fill the room, 240 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 1: they fill the arena, they own the space. And that 241 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: was Lizzo. 242 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:01,760 Speaker 2: And one thing I really admire about her is she 243 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 2: knows who she is, and that's something like I I feel, 244 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:09,000 Speaker 2: I'm still like I know who I am, but I 245 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 2: wish I could tell my younger self to have leaned 246 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 2: into that more like she is who she is. She 247 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 2: knows who she is, and she is that at every moment, 248 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 2: you know, And I think when we're younger, we're trying 249 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 2: to fit in a little bit more so I love 250 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 2: that she gives that example. Yeah, she was incredible, and 251 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:27,560 Speaker 2: you know, you could see that difference like some other 252 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,080 Speaker 2: artists when they got up there, they didn't like talk 253 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,320 Speaker 2: to the audience. They didn't connect. And again, me, the 254 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 2: person who doesn't love live music, I'm thinking, well, why 255 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: are we here? I should just listen to this on 256 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 2: the radio. Then, but Liza was awesome. 257 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,439 Speaker 1: We did slide over and catch the tail end of 258 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: Duran Durant. 259 00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 2: I can't believe you're revealing that. 260 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 1: Well because I want it to be known that it was. 261 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: They also have that rock star quality still to this day. 262 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: They were still killing it, hitting all the notes. 263 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 2: They did sound great. 264 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: They have so many bangers to play and it was 265 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:57,320 Speaker 1: good to hear like two or three of those and 266 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: that was enough. But we've spent the majority of the 267 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: time enjoying Lizzo. 268 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 2: Yes, also shout out to Cardinal. Yeah, incredible wines, one 269 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:21,840 Speaker 2: of one of Chris and ized. I will get people 270 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:23,600 Speaker 2: dming me a lot when we're in NAPA, like, do 271 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: you have NAPA recommendations or any wines that you love 272 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: because I'm taking my wife there, my husband or whatever. 273 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: And Cardinal is a wine that we are longtime fans of. 274 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,440 Speaker 2: You got me into them. They have incredible cabernet. They're 275 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 2: part of a family, Cardinal, Mount Brave and Laquoia, and 276 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 2: we just love all the others. 277 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:43,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's the winemaker. Who is your your male 278 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: crush now, Chris Carpenter, genius winemaker. The guy is just amazing. 279 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: Everything he touches I am, including my fiance. 280 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 2: He is married to a lovely winemaker named Tina as well. No, 281 00:13:55,800 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 2: we just yeah, I've never really been nervous to meet 282 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: people before, but I was nervous to meet Chris Carpenter. 283 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:08,960 Speaker 2: In my mind, he's a celebrity. He makes incredible wine, 284 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:11,320 Speaker 2: and he's such an artist. He was talking to us 285 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 2: about how when he makes wine to him, it's like 286 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 2: the way an orchestra creates a symphony, and he actually 287 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,560 Speaker 2: listens to classical music as he's blending the wine, so 288 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,040 Speaker 2: that the different types of wine can work together, like 289 00:14:23,080 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 2: different strings and brass sections and all that. I was 290 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 2: totally sucked into that speech. I was just drinking up 291 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:29,400 Speaker 2: every word. 292 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:31,280 Speaker 1: I get kind of geeky about. 293 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 2: So do you have a crush on him too? 294 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: I know, I just get well, yes, I love Chris 295 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: card May Wine Makers. I could just talk to you 296 00:14:37,360 --> 00:14:41,640 Speaker 1: for hours. Chefs Luckily we were backstage, got to talk 297 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: to Michael Mina, who's opening up a place here in Austin, 298 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 1: very excited about it. Jose Andres another great chef. There 299 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: were all these great chefs walking around, and I love talking. 300 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: I'm just annoying when chefs are around. 301 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:56,520 Speaker 2: Well, it's great when you can talk to them because 302 00:14:56,520 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: I don't know what to say. I'm like, absolutely right. 303 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: Have you tried air Friars? They're incredible, But have you 304 00:15:03,640 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 2: seen a kitchen? But you also, by the way, part 305 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 2: of what we did was we had to try to 306 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 2: blend our own wine. I'd say had to. It was 307 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 2: a very fun experiment. But Chris Harrison was into it, 308 00:15:17,480 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 2: you guys. I mean it was like down on, like 309 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 2: squatting down so we could look at the wine and 310 00:15:22,160 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 2: blending it. And it was a competition that Cardinal put 311 00:15:25,560 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 2: on and maybe you actually got second place. 312 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,640 Speaker 1: I applied for an internship. 313 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 2: And everyone's wondering, asking what your next job is. What 314 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,760 Speaker 2: was great about this trip that Cardinal brought us on 315 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: was that it was a trip with all couples. And 316 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 2: one thing that I love is that in our relationship, 317 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: we like meet new people well together. I didn't have 318 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 2: that in my past relationships. I would sometimes feel like, 319 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 2: you know, I think when I was younger, I thought 320 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 2: opposites attract, so I might be attracted to someone who 321 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 2: was like a lot quieter and I talk a lot, 322 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 2: and then we'd go to parties and I feel like 323 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 2: I didn't have a teammate there with me meeting people, 324 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: and you and I we meet people really well together, 325 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: and we kind of balance conversation. And I just loved 326 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: the weekend in huge part because every one of the 327 00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 2: couples there was a really happy couple. And that's something 328 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 2: that attracted to me about you from the beginning was 329 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:24,200 Speaker 2: you had friends who were couples that were really happy together, 330 00:16:24,400 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: and like, I think that's so important in a relationship 331 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: to be able to hang out with other couples and 332 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 2: go on double dates and group trips and stuff. But 333 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 2: it gets awkward if somebody's unhappy in their relationship. 334 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: Is there's nothing worse than going on a group trip 335 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: or showing up somewhere and that one couple. Look, it 336 00:16:42,200 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: happens to all of us. You have disagreements and all that, 337 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: but that one couple that just you know, they're unhappy. 338 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: You know they're dysfunctional. It's toxic, and it's such a 339 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 1: downer and its it sucks because inevitably you have that 340 00:16:54,000 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: one person we all love and it's their significant other. 341 00:16:58,640 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: We can't stay there. 342 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 2: I had someone tell me once with your partner, don't 343 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 2: give away the parts of them, and they had to 344 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: kind of explain it to me, but what they said was, 345 00:17:11,480 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 2: you know, okay, maybe you can vent a little, like 346 00:17:14,080 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 2: we can all laugh like, oh, my husband's snores, but 347 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,320 Speaker 2: don't give away the parts of them, meaning don't share too. 348 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 2: You know, when you're that couple who's like arguing in 349 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,600 Speaker 2: front of everyone, or when you're constantly just kind of 350 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:29,479 Speaker 2: venting and slamming your spouse or your partner. It doesn't 351 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 2: look great, it doesn't come across great, and it breaks 352 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 2: apart your relationship too. 353 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:36,200 Speaker 1: It gives me complete anxiety. I don't want to know 354 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:40,680 Speaker 1: when people get really personal, even in jest, when they 355 00:17:40,720 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: start just saying things about their significant other who's sitting 356 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:47,239 Speaker 1: right there, things that I know are embarrassing, and they 357 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: act like, oh, it's fine, it's cool. We all you know, 358 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: we talk like this over sharing and doing shut down. 359 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: I do, yeah, I want to get into it, and 360 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: then I'm asking them really deep questions and then we're 361 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 2: in like this therapy session at what's supposed to be 362 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 2: a music festival. 363 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: Well, and I told the guys from Cardinal, I said, hey, 364 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: you did a good job at curating this, because that's 365 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 1: the other thing, and you you are amazing at this. 366 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: When we go places or have a party or have 367 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 1: a dinner party, you are good at curating the couples 368 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: that are there. 369 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 2: Oh, Cardinal did a sign seating at every event, and 370 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: I think that is critical. You have to think about 371 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 2: everybody you know, and you have to like, yeah, pull 372 00:18:27,600 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 2: together good groups and then kind of think about who's 373 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:32,360 Speaker 2: going to interact well with who I'm a big fan 374 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:33,719 Speaker 2: of a sign seating at everything. 375 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's the the old you know, the Curb 376 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: Your Enthusiasm episode of Who's going to be the Middle? Oh, yeah, 377 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 1: you know who's going to And Lauren Zima may be 378 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:43,679 Speaker 1: the best middle? Uh Michael Jordan. 379 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:47,480 Speaker 2: Esque, Wow, Michael Jordan of the middle of the middle. 380 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: So we can we leave nap, but we get back 381 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: home and we are experiencing as a couple what many, 382 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:11,080 Speaker 1: I would say millions and millions around the country and 383 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: maybe around the world are experiencing, which is the kids 384 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: are home for summer. 385 00:19:16,160 --> 00:19:20,040 Speaker 2: What do we call this the great return the boomerang? Yes, 386 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 2: the comeback, comeback kids. 387 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:26,720 Speaker 1: And it's it's heavy. And I remember this when my 388 00:19:26,840 --> 00:19:30,119 Speaker 1: kids were just in grade school, junior high, high school. 389 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,239 Speaker 1: It wasn't as big of a deal. Yes, there is 390 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: more time at home and you got to figure it 391 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: all out. But the kids were living with us. So 392 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 1: you saw him in the morning, you see him at night. 393 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: They're just now with you more during the day. There's 394 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,119 Speaker 1: some more hours to fill. Very interesting. This is, you know, 395 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: getting into the empty nester stage and your kids come back. 396 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: These are adults. This is a grown woman, this is 397 00:19:54,520 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: a grown man, who are now moving back into our house. 398 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: And it's a very different vibe. First of all, God knows, 399 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: you know how happy I get and gleeful I get 400 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 1: when everybody's back under one roof. 401 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 2: He's so cute. It's such a little spring and a 402 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 2: step like everyone's. He loves is in one place and 403 00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 2: he can take care of everybody. 404 00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,359 Speaker 1: I feel so good when everybody's back home under under 405 00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: one roof, when you are here, when the kids are here, 406 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: I'm done. I'm good. But at the same time, you know, 407 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: her son Joshua just walks by and his phone's on 408 00:20:24,040 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: full blast. He's watching something, you know, Taylor's doing her thing, 409 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 1: and I'm like, wow, we're not used to having human. 410 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:33,640 Speaker 2: Josh is a big gamer, is playing a video game, 411 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 2: screaming at whoever's on the headset with him, like dude, 412 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 2: turn right. And I'm like, oh my god, it's three am. 413 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:41,720 Speaker 2: But well, you know what it is part of it. 414 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 2: I know you just said grown man and grown woman, 415 00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 2: but they're not. You're right, there needs to be a word. 416 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 2: It's this in between phase, which you know, if you've 417 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 2: we've all also gone through our young adults. Yeah, I mean, 418 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: because you are legally an adult, you are living on 419 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 2: your own, yet you are completely financially dependent or in 420 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 2: some cases largely or whatever. But you're in some way 421 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 2: still dependent on your parents, even if it's for things 422 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 2: like a Hi, yeah, what's my secure what's my Social 423 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 2: Security number? And wait, how do I where do I go? 424 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 2: For this terminal at this airport? And so they're figuring 425 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,560 Speaker 2: things out still, And the push and pull is that 426 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 2: when they come home, they're used to living by their 427 00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 2: own rules and on their own And I've talked to 428 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: like some of our friends who are parents and they're like, 429 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: oh my god, this it already feels you know. It's like, 430 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 2: on the one hand, you want to cherish every moment 431 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 2: with them, and on the other hand, you also know 432 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 2: there's kind of this new dynamic now where there's a 433 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 2: little tension on both sides because they don't want you 434 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 2: to tell them what to do anymore. 435 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: What I remember, I remember coming home myself, you know, 436 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: when I was in college, however many thousand years ago 437 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: it was, and I remember that feeling. And I had 438 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:59,359 Speaker 1: a job. Both kids have jobs this summer. One is 439 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,520 Speaker 1: going to take take away from us, and she's going 440 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: to work elsewhere, which is going to be tough. But 441 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,800 Speaker 1: both have good jobs. And I would come home and 442 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: I had a job. I know you had summer jobs 443 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 1: as well, which are I think are really important. And 444 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: it's just this very interesting dynamic to have people that 445 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:20,160 Speaker 1: are used to living on their own kind of I live, 446 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: you know, in the dorm room sorty house like you did, 447 00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: and it's you come home and you're excited to be home, 448 00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,080 Speaker 1: but then you're living under mom and dad's thumb again. 449 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: I think it's I saw something the other day that 450 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 2: said parents need to be really careful about developing relationships 451 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 2: with their adult kids, and it was so important to 452 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: me because basically what this person was saying is, when 453 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 2: you're a parent, you think, well, I did everything for 454 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: my kid, I did everything for them, and so they 455 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 2: owe me. Isn't the right phrase, but you think that 456 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:54,479 Speaker 2: relationships there, and it is. But now this person's an adult, 457 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 2: and just like your friends and your other family members, 458 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 2: you have to develop an adult relation with them. And 459 00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:02,840 Speaker 2: what's a little tricky is we're again, we're in that 460 00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 2: in between phase. But I do I really I think 461 00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: both sides have to like peel back a little bit, 462 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 2: like I don't point out everything to Josh and Taylor. 463 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,159 Speaker 2: I don't say like, hey could you pick that dish up? 464 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,879 Speaker 2: Or hey could you do this? I let some stuff go, 465 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 2: and they, probably without us even knowing it, lets some 466 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,399 Speaker 2: stuff go too, like, hey, it's really annoying when you 467 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 2: do that thing. 468 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 1: Well, I think there is a dynamic that exists when 469 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 1: you are a parent to a young kid, to a child, 470 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: and that dynamic is you are parent. You have to 471 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: know what's best for them. That's your job. Their job 472 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 1: is to push boundaries. Their job is to test the 473 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,119 Speaker 1: limits that you set. That's your job is a parent 474 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,959 Speaker 1: and love them and be present that dynamic, as you 475 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: just said. And I think it's a brilliant observation. That 476 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:54,479 Speaker 1: dynamic has to evolve because my son is twenty one 477 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: years old, our daughter's nineteen long gone in the days 478 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 1: where I'm gonna, you know, throw them over right knee 479 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: and spank them and send them to his room. 480 00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: That those so what do you consider your dynamic now? 481 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: I think our dynamic has to evolve in that. Josh 482 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:15,880 Speaker 1: and I we have much deeper, more logical adult conversations 483 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: about work about now. It's like savings, what to do 484 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 1: with money, how to invest, all these things that I 485 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 1: wish that I had been told. There were some things 486 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: that I kind of missed when I was growing up, 487 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,080 Speaker 1: and I want to impart that on my kids. And 488 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: so my conversations with Taylor are different when we talk 489 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: about relationships, when we talk about love, we talk about work, 490 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: we talk about you know, her learning about money and 491 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: about all the same stuff. It's just a different dynamic, 492 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:46,040 Speaker 1: and that that you're right, that dynamic has to evolve 493 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 1: because I'm not just setting boundaries for him anymore. They can, 494 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: you know, if they want to go stay out till 495 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: two or three in the morning, that's on them. 496 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: Right I mean, I think the truth is we don't 497 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: really say no to them about anything, and not anymore 498 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:02,080 Speaker 2: right now anymore. And I I should not to say, yeah, 499 00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: you did say no, but but I mean I was 500 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 2: able to come into their lives when they were a 501 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,159 Speaker 2: bit older, and so I always have considered my relationship 502 00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 2: with them to be one of like guidance and mentoring 503 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 2: and sort of a higher level problems. Like my mom said, 504 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 2: when you were My mom used to say to me, 505 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 2: when you were little, your problems were so easy. Now 506 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 2: it's you know, back then, it's like they didn't share 507 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,880 Speaker 2: their toy. Now it's he broke my heart. But I 508 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 2: think you are actually now coming into a bit more 509 00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 2: where I've kind of already been with them a little 510 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 2: bit because I sort of started there, Like you have 511 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 2: to make that transition. But I've always been this space. 512 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: I will always see him as as my little boy, 513 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: my little girl. But now though, I guess the best 514 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: word to describe it is, my relationship needs to be 515 00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 1: more collaborative, meaning there needs to be give and take. 516 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 1: It can't just be all me giving anymore. Yeah, I 517 00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 1: need to get from them and vice versa. Like I 518 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,000 Speaker 1: want to hear what they're doing. I want to hear 519 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 1: what they have to say. And you know, in a year, 520 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 1: Josh will graduate and let's knock on wood, he's on 521 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: his own. He's gone. This is the last summer that 522 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,879 Speaker 1: Josh is going to live under My roof just knocked 523 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 1: on wood. 524 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 2: When me and my siblings all had jobs, my mom said, Okay, 525 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 2: I did it. My job is done. You're a functioning 526 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 2: member of society. 527 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 1: But you know, since you know he's less than twelve 528 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: months away, from this now. So, yeah, we're living with 529 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: an adult that's ready to be on his own. He's 530 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 1: just got one more summer where he's working and he's 531 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:31,960 Speaker 1: going to stay here, So it needs to be a 532 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 1: little more collaborative. You are having an adult and I 533 00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: feel the same way about Taylor. But you brought that 534 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,560 Speaker 1: point up, and it's something I've kind of done, but 535 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: I hadn't really thought about it. I thought a lot 536 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: more about that in my relationship with the kids this summer, 537 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 1: specifically about evolving that relationship and change in that dynamic. 538 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:54,720 Speaker 1: That it's not my job to set those boundaries necessarily anymore. Sure, 539 00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: I'm always going to keep an eye on them and 540 00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,199 Speaker 1: be the overage. Yeah there, but that part of my 541 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:03,399 Speaker 1: life and parenting is done. It's time to move on 542 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 1: to that next stage, which I'm excited about. And because 543 00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:09,960 Speaker 1: we did the work early on, I can move on 544 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 1: to that stage well. 545 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 2: And yeah, like you just said, it, evolving both ways. 546 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 2: I advised a friend of ours the other day. She 547 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:20,880 Speaker 2: said that her she was really sick and she's divorced, 548 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,920 Speaker 2: and she was really sick and at home by herself, 549 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:27,400 Speaker 2: and she was hurt because her teenage kids didn't call 550 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 2: to check on her. They were like with their dad 551 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,720 Speaker 2: and they didn't text or call to check on her. 552 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 2: And she said she like talked to them about it, 553 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 2: and we were here and I were talking about that. 554 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,320 Speaker 2: I was saying, yeah, you kind of have to because 555 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: what is tough I think about an excess situation potentially 556 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,320 Speaker 2: is that then you don't have that. I mean, depending 557 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 2: on how good your relationship is, but you might not 558 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 2: have that other parent pointing out, hey, your mom's really sick, 559 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,160 Speaker 2: you know, maybe give her a call. Hopefully if both 560 00:27:56,160 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 2: parents are under one roof you're seeing. But you know, 561 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,760 Speaker 2: so I guess their dad did do that, which I 562 00:28:00,800 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 2: wish she had said, hey, did you check on your mom? 563 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 2: Even though her and I aren't together. But she had 564 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: to tell her kids that, and I said, I'm so 565 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 2: glad you did, because it's actually like, you know, as parents, 566 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,200 Speaker 2: I think you want to be strong and you never 567 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,439 Speaker 2: want your kids to think anything's wrong. But if you 568 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 2: teach them and tell them, hey, you know, I wish 569 00:28:18,560 --> 00:28:20,399 Speaker 2: you'd checked on me. I wish you'd ask me how 570 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 2: I was. If you teach them to care about you, 571 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,520 Speaker 2: that's going to teach them to care about other adults 572 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 2: when they're in adult relationships of their own, and so 573 00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 2: I was so glad she did that. And I've had 574 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 2: to do that with you a little bit. I think 575 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,920 Speaker 2: you like to be really strong for the kids, which 576 00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 2: you want to make them feel safe, of course, but 577 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 2: it's like, hey, maybe you can tell them, hey, I 578 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,480 Speaker 2: had a really busy day at work today, I'm a 579 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: little tired. But you never want to do that. 580 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,200 Speaker 1: No, I'm bad about it. I've tried to get better, 581 00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 1: but you're right, I've always I got that from my 582 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 1: dad too, who was a very strong Texas man. And 583 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: I wouldn't say we swallowed our feelings in our family, 584 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: because we were very open about our love and taking 585 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: care of each other. But at the same time, that 586 00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 1: was kind of the role that we all grew up 587 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:04,080 Speaker 1: and we're taught to play. And I try to get 588 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: better about sharing those moments. But to all the parents 589 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,720 Speaker 1: out there, whether your kids are young and they're coming 590 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: home from kindergarten, first grade, junior, high, high school, or 591 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 1: your kids are returning from college like ours are, and 592 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: your life is changed for the next three months, good luck, 593 00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,479 Speaker 1: godspeed getting through this summer. Let's stick together. We'll get 594 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: through it together. Before we go. There is an odd headline. 595 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: Someone who's not going to have any kids with them 596 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: this summer Elizabeth Holmes. Oh my gosh, I have to 597 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 1: mention this story because this is bizarre. I didn't know this. 598 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 1: I was just reading the headlines because you and I 599 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 1: were so entrenched in this story about Elizabeth Holmes. 600 00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 2: And her Fairnose, her company. 601 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 1: Fraudulent company Farannose that promised to do such wondrous things 602 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: in the medical community, could produce none of them. She's 603 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 1: thirty nine years old. She was convicted sentenced to eleven 604 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 1: years in prison. I just found out today that that 605 00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:06,239 Speaker 1: prison is two hours from where you and I are 606 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: sitting right now here in Austin, Texas. She is serving 607 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: her time at the Brassies County Minimum Security Prison in Brian, Texas. 608 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:17,600 Speaker 2: Honey, do you want to go visitor? Should we do 609 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 2: a podcast? She's the most dramatic company fraud scheme ever. 610 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: By the way, I googled it because I wanted to 611 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,400 Speaker 1: see how long it would take to drive over there. 612 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: So it's just a little over two hours for us 613 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: to get to the prison over there. 614 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 2: Well, I will say from a Real Housewives fan, perspective. 615 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 2: I think she's in the same prison as Real Housewives 616 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:38,880 Speaker 2: of Salt Lake City's Jen Shaw. 617 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: Well, I found it amazing because obviously she was simply. 618 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 2: He just blew past that. Imagine the two of them 619 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 2: like saltaking up. Yeah, what will they come up with 620 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:48,400 Speaker 2: in there? 621 00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,760 Speaker 1: What kind of schemes? Well, I found it interesting because 622 00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: I know she was sitting in California, but I know 623 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,880 Speaker 1: why she is serving this. I'm not sure, you know, 624 00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: maybe the lawyer. She has a good lawyer who found 625 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: the cushiest minimum security prison in the United States, and 626 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: maybe it's it's this spawn resort in Brass County and 627 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,560 Speaker 1: she's there at the minimum security. It was amazing that 628 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,840 Speaker 1: the other thing beyond prison is her and her CEO, 629 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 1: who was also fraudulent, are supposed to repay four hundred 630 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 1: and fifty two million dollars to investors that you know 631 00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: that Thereino's company at one point was worth nine billion 632 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: with a b nine billion dollars and it was all 633 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,400 Speaker 1: smoke and mirrors. Crazy. 634 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: Why is this hitting you so hard? 635 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,959 Speaker 1: I don't know why it hit me again today because 636 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,320 Speaker 1: she's right down the road. I don't know why it 637 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: sunk in that there's pictures of her walking in here 638 00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: in Brian, Texas to the Brass County Minimum Security prison, 639 00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: So I don't. 640 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 2: They put her in the hot seat interview Elizabeth Holmes. 641 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:53,000 Speaker 1: Could we do a podcast from them from prison? This 642 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:53,960 Speaker 1: would be a first. 643 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 2: I don't think it would be. I think there's plenty 644 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,000 Speaker 2: of true crime podcasts who have brought their equipment in there. 645 00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: But just just so you know, if you think you're 646 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 1: having a crazy summer because the kids are home and 647 00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,960 Speaker 1: you're pulling your hair out, what do I do? Just 648 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: know it could be worse. 649 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 2: Well, you could be a criminal. 650 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: You could be a criminal, you could be a prison. 651 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. Well, what a great weekend. And by 652 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 2: the way, a happy belated Memorial Day weekend everybody out there, 653 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,280 Speaker 2: and thank you to all those who have served. We 654 00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,160 Speaker 2: uh yeah, I was very grateful to be spending it 655 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 2: with you in Napa, to figure out our wedding song, 656 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 2: to have a couple of great glasses of wine with Cardinal, 657 00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 2: and see some incredible music, even though it might be 658 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,520 Speaker 2: my last music festival, and I'm so grateful to have 659 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 2: the kids home. It's just, you know, you soak up 660 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 2: every minute and I do find myself. I almost like 661 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 2: I have to watch myself because I want to spend 662 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,280 Speaker 2: every minute with them, and then you remind me, like, Babe, 663 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 2: we got to just live normal lives though, like it's 664 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 2: so nice twenty four cents. I know, I'm like, are 665 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 2: they awake yet? And Sundays they're not until one o'clock 666 00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 2: and that's okay. And so it's it's about quality and 667 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 2: quality over quantity, just like time, people and wine. 668 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: And to echo what LZ said, yes to all those 669 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: men and women who serve and on Memorial Day week 670 00:33:11,280 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 1: because it's still the week to those that paid the 671 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: ultimate sacrifice for our freedoms that give us the greatest 672 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,800 Speaker 1: country in the world and the greatest listeners, which is you. 673 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 1: So appreciate you being here. We will talk to you 674 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: next time because we have a lot more to talk about. 675 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. Follow us on Instagram at the most 676 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: dramatic pod ever and make sure to write us a 677 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 1: review and leave us five stars. I'll talk to you 678 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 1: next time.