Speaker 1: So a few years ago a film came out called
Speaker 1: Kiss the Ground and Woody Harrelson produced it, and it
Speaker 1: was basically about the importance of soil in the fight
Speaker 1: to stabilize our planet. And there's this new film directed
Speaker 1: and produced by the same team as Kiss the Ground.
Speaker 1: It's got some pretty big Hollywood names involved. It's called
Speaker 1: Common Ground. I was lucky enough to get a special
Speaker 1: screening of it, and let me tell you, it's very powerful.
Speaker 1: Film just really really knocked me out and made me think.
Speaker 1: Taught me a whole bunch of stuff that I had
Speaker 1: no idea about, having to do with soil and farming
Speaker 1: and food and the environment, etc. I really recommend it.
Speaker 1: My guest today is Ian Summerhalder, who was one of
Speaker 1: the producers on the film. So if you're someone who
Speaker 1: is environmentally minded and looking for ways to weather this
Speaker 1: moment in our planet's history, so to speak, you're going
Speaker 1: to enjoy this episode. So I am glad you're here. Leaning. Hey,
Speaker 1: it's good to see you man.
Speaker 2: Good to see you man, Thanks for thanks for doing this.
Speaker 2: Congratulations on this. These are these are cool, man. This
Speaker 2: is like, this is a cool thing to be, a
Speaker 2: worthy thing to be spending time on you.
Speaker 1: Know, yeah, I I it's been it's been great to
Speaker 1: you know, everybody and their mother has a podcast, and
Speaker 1: it's been really really fun to to you know, connect
Speaker 1: with people, but also to see the things that they're
Speaker 1: interested in, and you know, it's it's often really really
Speaker 1: inspiring and and and also I think the people are
Speaker 1: are you know, getting a kick or or oftentimes being
Speaker 1: you know, moved or or touched by some of the
Speaker 1: stories that they've they've heard. But you know, you were
Speaker 1: just talking about your roots, and I'm really curious about that.
Speaker 1: He grew up in Louisiana, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, deep, deep, deep, right outside of New Orleans.
Speaker 1: And you were saying that your dad was of Cajun descent.
Speaker 2: So my grandfather was born here. A great grandfather was
Speaker 2: born here in seventeen forty seven, so I think his
Speaker 2: parents had already been here for like twenty years. So
Speaker 2: I think they got here in like the seventeen twenties. Man, Wow,
Speaker 2: long time ago and all Louisiana. Yeah, my grandmother was
Speaker 2: born in nineteen oh six. She didn't speak English until
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty, so she was twenty four years old. And yeah,
Speaker 2: so people don't realize like in until until like the forties,
Speaker 2: you could live in the United States, Louisiana in particular,
Speaker 2: and never have to speak English. It's so funny. It
Speaker 2: was just looking up my grandmother's My birthday just passed
Speaker 2: on the eighth, and my grandmother was on the seventh.
Speaker 2: You know, my last birthday whatever three days ago was
Speaker 2: forty five. And I called my mom and said, happy birthday,
Speaker 2: is the day you gave birth to me. But I'm
Speaker 2: now on the other side. I'm technically closer to fifty
Speaker 2: than I am to forty. And at that point that
Speaker 2: sound like, you know, like a morbid thought. This is
Speaker 2: just I'm a numbers guy, so you're more than halfway through.
Speaker 2: It's like whatever we consider a life cycle. But what's
Speaker 2: crazy is because of our health situation in this country, food, medicine, healthcare, lifestyle,
Speaker 2: all that stuff the United States. And don't quote me
Speaker 2: on this data. I typically have so much data here
Speaker 2: in front of me. We are the only developed nation
Speaker 2: in the world where life expectancy is declining. Interesting, but
Speaker 2: I always offer up this and I learned this twelve
Speaker 2: thirteen years ago. So if you look at the planet right,
Speaker 2: you look at trees, you look at water systems. If
Speaker 2: you look at them, there's a reason that they're carbon copies, right,
Speaker 2: They're coral in the ocean that look identical like a lung.
Speaker 2: If you take a you take a pine tree, an
Speaker 2: oak tree, turn it on its side, it literally looks
Speaker 2: like a lum. So if you would imagine just for
Speaker 2: a second, like taking a step back, that the earth
Speaker 2: is the same biological process as us for not any different.
Speaker 2: Those river systems, I mean, those forests are basically our lungs, right.
Speaker 2: Those river systems and oceans are those party of vascular
Speaker 2: systems carrying all the vital nutrients and organ nutrients to
Speaker 2: the organisms. So if you think about it, once you
Speaker 2: dam and pollute all the waterways, than the organism can't
Speaker 2: get all those vital nutrients. If you cut and destroy
Speaker 2: all the forests, that organism can't breathe and recycle so effectively.
Speaker 2: We you know, when you put it in those terms,
Speaker 2: people start really looking and go, oh my gosh. And
Speaker 2: then you go to the soil. Well, the microbiome of
Speaker 2: the soil. The health of that depends on the health
Speaker 2: of the soil and what grows out of it. The
Speaker 2: same way we think about it from health perspective, the
Speaker 2: human body, the health of the human being is directly
Speaker 2: related to the health of the gut microbiome. It's the same, right,
Speaker 2: Without a healthy gut microbiome, there's no healthy human and
Speaker 2: without a healthy soil microbiome, there is no healthy soil.
Speaker 2: So you know, we keep forgetting that what we do
Speaker 2: to the earth, we do to ourselves. And that's why
Speaker 2: going back to what you were just asking, diving into
Speaker 2: I want to know where I came from, whom I
Speaker 2: came from, and when I go back to my roots,
Speaker 2: like way way way back, both on my mother's side
Speaker 2: and my father's side, they were farmers. They were long
Speaker 2: long lines lineage of farmers. That is who I am
Speaker 2: in my.
Speaker 1: Blood, maybe even before they got to this country.
Speaker 2: Most likely in the forties. My grandfather was an agricultural inventor.
Speaker 2: He was the first guy to introduce in Mississippi, like
Speaker 2: nineteen forty. The idea was taking the manure from all
Speaker 2: of his cattle, cow's, chickens, hogs, everything. He built the
Speaker 2: press that took dried it out, took the manure and
Speaker 2: pressed it into these little cups where he would then
Speaker 2: germinate all of his seeds, and that's how he he
Speaker 2: germinated all of his seeds to plant. So you know,
Speaker 2: we've all seen those. I wish you would have patented those.
Speaker 2: We would probably have been a very different family. Anyway,
Speaker 2: The long im was short of it is people always
Speaker 2: say like, how and why is this like your you know,
Speaker 2: you left acting, you literally walked away.
Speaker 1: From Let's talk about that's let's talk about first why
Speaker 1: it is that you got into it, because I'm guessing
Speaker 1: that probably you were at least in the mind already
Speaker 1: of people in your family who who who found at
Speaker 1: least at least initially a life in the theater. So
Speaker 1: what was it do you think that pushed you in
Speaker 1: that direction?
Speaker 2: Since I was a kid man, since I was a
Speaker 2: little kid, and I hear this, you know, I'm sure
Speaker 2: it was the same for you and a lot of
Speaker 2: people I talked to. It was just in me from
Speaker 2: the beginning, you know. And I started doing local theater
Speaker 2: when I was six or seven, and it was my
Speaker 2: mom that brought me to all the auditions and read
Speaker 2: everything with me in the car and singing and helping
Speaker 2: me through it. And then and we were we had
Speaker 2: a very intimate relationship with the poverty line. So we
Speaker 2: didn't you know, like I wanted to play the sacks.
Speaker 2: We couldn't afford a saxophone. I wanted to play the trumpet,
Speaker 2: couldn't afford. So we were going to school and it
Speaker 2: wasn't like it was disappointing. But my mom was so
Speaker 2: great at explaining things. It's such a great you know,
Speaker 2: we were just so tight bros. And but yeah, one brother,
Speaker 2: one sister. They're seven and eight years older than me.
Speaker 2: And it was my mom's foresight that when she it's
Speaker 2: like that, it's like, you know, it's so funny. Man.
Speaker 2: I'm a huge Malcolm Gladwell fan, and I know that
Speaker 2: when Outliers came all came out. When Outliers came out,
Speaker 2: we all read this book and we looked at society
Speaker 2: and we realized, oh my gosh, she broke it down
Speaker 2: in such a beautiful way. But in all of our lives,
Speaker 2: we have those outlier moments that allowed us to get
Speaker 2: to whatever we got to do right. And my mom
Speaker 2: received She worked at a state hospital, a mental hospital,
Speaker 2: but she wanted to be a massage therapist and do
Speaker 2: actipressure and roam the therapy stuff. She couldn't get out
Speaker 2: of that rut. She got laid off and the state
Speaker 2: gave her a severance check. I think it was ten
Speaker 2: thousand dollars, and no one in my family had ever
Speaker 2: seen that amount of money in one piece of paper.
Speaker 2: And it's crazy, dude. You know what she spent every
Speaker 2: single dollar of that on and in a borrowing money
Speaker 2: from my aunt Nancy on top of it, was to
Speaker 2: send me to modeling and acting classes in New Orleans
Speaker 2: when I was ten years old. Every dime of that
Speaker 2: plus some went into me getting a contract with Ford
Speaker 2: for three years when I was ten.
Speaker 1: Well, were there ever moments when you thought this is
Speaker 1: something I'm not sure I want to do this, this
Speaker 1: is something that you want to do for me?
Speaker 3: No.
Speaker 2: I loved it. I was already I was already doing
Speaker 2: theater and stuff, you know, like the head of like
Speaker 2: the young theater department at school and going to all
Speaker 2: these local playhouses and not getting the roles for the
Speaker 2: most part, the ones at school because I think they
Speaker 2: had to. They had to, you had to have like
Speaker 2: a level of participation. But it was that moment she
Speaker 2: came to me and she goes, look, I have a
Speaker 2: I have a deal. I have a proper position for you.
Speaker 2: You know, we don't have a lot, but I can
Speaker 2: give you this opportunity if you really want it. But
Speaker 2: you gotta want it. She literally said that, She's like,
Speaker 2: this is not for me, and I want absolutely no
Speaker 2: way get me in. And so she would slept me
Speaker 2: back and forth from you know, the North Shore to
Speaker 2: New Orleans every week so I could train and train
Speaker 2: and train. And then there was a model scout, you know,
Speaker 2: a lot of it. It's like people did get a
Speaker 2: lot of people did find contracts out of it, but
Speaker 2: it was a huge, big money grab for these people.
Speaker 2: They made a lot of cash. So when I was ten,
Speaker 2: I got this contract with Ford because I went to
Speaker 2: this big convention and model convention and like a talleentn.
Speaker 1: Ford modeling right not for motors, yep and.
Speaker 2: Hillton Head, South Carolina, dude, in nineteen ninety you can
Speaker 2: believe that. And I got this contract and so we
Speaker 2: would she would take some you know, she would take
Speaker 2: off work and we'd go to New York for the
Speaker 2: summers and and that's how I started working, you know,
Speaker 2: and doing Ralph Lauren and Gap and all these cool things.
Speaker 2: So you're ten years old from the bides Louisiana. All
Speaker 2: of a sudden you're thrust into you know, these huge
Speaker 2: sets with art directors and photographers and you know, all
Speaker 2: these just super cool people. And by the way, this
Speaker 2: is nineteen ninety, right, so like everyone is, you know,
Speaker 2: it was a very different time. People are in these studios,
Speaker 2: they're you know, they have big mood layer mood boards
Speaker 2: laid out, and everyone's around tables and they're smoking cigarettes
Speaker 2: and drinking coffee. And the French are like, you know,
Speaker 2: boring Bordeaux at noon and you know, we're sitting there
Speaker 2: eating like steaks and lobster and shit, and you know,
Speaker 2: at lunch on this job. And I looked at it.
Speaker 2: I remember looking at my mom once she goes, this
Speaker 2: isn't so bad as a kidd and I said, not
Speaker 2: at all. Along this is pretty this is pretty awesome,
Speaker 2: and so I and so anyway, that was three years
Speaker 2: of that. I went home for two years back to
Speaker 2: Louisiana and did normal stuff, played football and sports and
Speaker 2: rode my horses and you know, did stuff. And then
Speaker 2: at fifteen I realized, like, wow, this is not exactly
Speaker 2: what I want to be doing. Mom, I want to
Speaker 2: get back to doing what I was doing. I think
Speaker 2: this is like where I want to be. So again,
Speaker 2: we did another convention on my sixteenth birthday and then
Speaker 2: that was it. I met agents and three days three
Speaker 2: days later or five days later, get a call that
Speaker 2: they had taken a bunch of polaroids from me and
Speaker 2: this photographer Stephen Myzell. So if you remember Stephen Myzell
Speaker 2: in the nineties was the biggest photographer pastiptographer in the world.
Speaker 2: It was like Steven you know, Bruce Weber, any Legal,
Speaker 2: It's you know, a couple of Richard Avedon, Like those
Speaker 2: guys are still around. So anyway, two days after that,
Speaker 2: I was on a plane. So one week after my
Speaker 2: sixteenth birthday, it's December fifteenth, I think I land in
Speaker 2: New York City to shoot like they Stephen myself booked
Speaker 2: me for like twelve pages of at the time, the
Speaker 2: Warmo Vogue, which the time was the biggest men's magazine
Speaker 2: in the world. And that was it. And you know
Speaker 2: what's crazy is because it was just the the sixtieth
Speaker 2: anniversary of fiftieth anniversary of CBGB's and they were going
Speaker 2: to do it at the store because it's a John
Speaker 2: Breveta store. Now I was going to go for that,
Speaker 2: but they put it into the Grammy Museum. I went
Speaker 2: to CBGB's that night. I was, you know, I was
Speaker 2: a week out of having like my emancipation paperwork done
Speaker 2: and anyway, so that's like that started to imagine you're sixteen,
Speaker 2: you're one week over sixteen, you fly to New York City,
Speaker 2: you land drop your stuff at the hotel. You know,
Speaker 2: the other people you're shooting with, like, Hey, come down
Speaker 2: to the lobby. We're going to this place. CBGB's cool,
Speaker 2: let's go listen to some music. You walk in and
Speaker 2: it's like Patti Smith is there and Debbie Harry are there,
Speaker 2: and you know, you're just like, what the hell is
Speaker 2: going on? And so that was my that was my childhood. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you obviously you were doing it sounds
Speaker 1: like you were doing a lot of modeling as well
Speaker 1: as having the roots in the acting. But then that
Speaker 1: pretty quickly turned into, uh, you know, an acting career
Speaker 1: with television and movies, and you know, we always thinking about,
Speaker 1: you know, connections, we have the connect I mean, I
Speaker 1: know there are paths have crossed in the past, but
Speaker 1: we have the Kevin Williamson connection, and.
Speaker 2: That guy changed my life for sure. Man.
Speaker 1: How long were you on that show on Vampire.
Speaker 2: Diveris We did eight years?
Speaker 1: Eight years in what was the town Atlanta? Atlanta? Right right, yep? Right?
Speaker 1: Were you? Were you mostly right in the center of
Speaker 1: Atlanta or did you there was a I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like I was recently in a small town
Speaker 1: shooting something, and they they it was almost like a
Speaker 1: like a Vampire Diaries museums or of thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: is there a town Covington, Yeah, Georgia, that's it, Covington, Georgia.
Speaker 1: I was down there making a movie and living in Covington,
Speaker 1: and it's it's like they practically have like statues in
Speaker 1: the town square, you know, for Vampire Diaries.
Speaker 2: They call it Coveywood, and it's a that was the
Speaker 2: fictional town of Mystic Falls, Virginia. Was Covington, Georgia as
Speaker 2: wild because I was born in Covington, Louisiana.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, and then that's weird.
Speaker 2: Now I'm in Covington, Georgia. And obviously, you know, when
Speaker 2: you first started shooting and show, you think, oh man,
Speaker 2: this thing is probably gonna go five years cut to
Speaker 2: eight years later. But people in Covington, the police, the friends,
Speaker 2: the business owners, is we're all so tight it now.
Speaker 2: The Covington You know, if you go back and you
Speaker 2: look at the Chamber of Commerce numbers, Vampire Diaries brings
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixteen million dollars a year to that town.
Speaker 1: Still, yeah, every year.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's how much. You know, because the show has
Speaker 2: been seen by over a billion people now, so at
Speaker 2: that time point is just a numbers game, right, you
Speaker 2: figure one in eight people in the country or in
Speaker 2: the world have seen interface understand or know or have
Speaker 2: heard of this ip and so it's just a testament
Speaker 2: to the power of story and how story can bring
Speaker 2: us together and shared experience. Right, That's what bonding is,
Speaker 2: and that's it's actually where the reason you know, Paul
Speaker 2: and I actually built this brand, Brothers bond over that
Speaker 2: same ethos, which is this is about bringing people together.
Speaker 2: And I think you can argue right now, actually not
Speaker 2: argue right now, we need togatherness more than ever and
Speaker 2: so and so whether it's sitting sharing a dram of whiskey,
Speaker 2: or your health and wellness journey or your meditation, whatever
Speaker 2: it may be, we need that connection and Paul and I,
Speaker 2: you know, I might not be the smartest guy in
Speaker 2: the room, but I'll I'll try and outwork everyone in there.
Speaker 2: And I realize, like, I might not be the smartest
Speaker 2: guy in the room. I don't even have a college degree.
Speaker 2: But the one thing I realized I could do is
Speaker 2: leverage entertainment value to create quantifiable change in the world, right,
Speaker 2: whatever that may be. And we've the data don't lie,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, We've shown that in a
Speaker 2: couple of different instances. There are definitely some use cases
Speaker 2: for it, and it's been un you know, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: As you know, He's like, how long were you guys
Speaker 2: on The Following?
Speaker 1: We were only on The Following for three years, three years,
Speaker 1: and and that's the longest that I've ever done a show.
Speaker 1: The last series I had was three years as well.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it. I got sort of secondhand knowledge
Speaker 1: of this eight year cycle from Kira because she was
Speaker 1: on the on The Closer.
Speaker 2: For those years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was you know, it was an interesting
Speaker 1: it was an interesting thing to watch from Afar. I mean,
Speaker 1: up until that point, I I often used to say that,
Speaker 1: and this just shows how different. How things have changed
Speaker 1: so much in terms of you know, what we call television.
Speaker 1: I used to say that if my agent called me
Speaker 1: and told me that they had a series for me,
Speaker 1: I would fire my agent because there was such a
Speaker 1: division between being a movie star and being on television.
Speaker 1: It was like something you would never ever ever do.
Speaker 1: That's all gone completely, you know, I mean just it's
Speaker 1: it's dissolved into this other world that we have. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm fascinating you. You you have the Brown liquor,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I'm incredibly successful, and you also just do
Speaker 1: so much sort of charitable. The charity is not even
Speaker 1: the right word. I mean, it's more awareness and very
Speaker 1: very hard work on all kinds of things having to
Speaker 1: do with excute and the environment. I mean, I watched
Speaker 1: this movie Common Ground that you Oh.
Speaker 2: You saw the film.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's spectacular, I mean spectacular. But you know, I
Speaker 1: guess my question is is that you're you're not really
Speaker 1: doing too much acting right now, am I right? It's
Speaker 1: mostly producing and doing other kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: I you know, man, I walked away from acting. The
Speaker 2: last time I was on SHOWM. I can tell you
Speaker 2: it was October, sorry, August nineteenth, twenty nineteen.
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is what I've I want to know
Speaker 1: about it because.
Speaker 2: I know the day.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's when I walked that's my wife's birthday,
Speaker 1: by the way, August nineteenth. Yeah, you you as you
Speaker 1: walked away on Curious abtects birthday. You know, so I
Speaker 1: would say.
Speaker 2: That, which, by the way, was one of my biggest
Speaker 2: crushes ever. I used to watch singles over and over
Speaker 2: and over again. And obviously, you know, we we've had
Speaker 2: the same pubblicist for you know, Anik Mueller has been
Speaker 2: with me. We've been I've been with her for eight
Speaker 2: nine almost nineteen years, so it's like I've always we've
Speaker 2: always been in the same sort of like ether. She's
Speaker 2: such a special you guys are such a what an
Speaker 2: inspiration you are to a lot of people.
Speaker 1: You guys have really thank you.
Speaker 2: It's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's she's a lot of fun to hang out with.
Speaker 1: But you know, you there's not that many people. Uh,
Speaker 1: people will leave the film business of acting. I'm mostly
Speaker 1: talking about acting, Yeah, because they retired, because they get old.
Speaker 1: People will believe because they just don't have any money.
Speaker 1: A lot of people leave mysteriously because of you know,
Speaker 1: drugs or alcohol, or or scandal or getting cancer. There's
Speaker 1: a million ways to leave, but there's very few young
Speaker 1: actors who are willing to just stop and say I
Speaker 1: don't want to I'm not gonna do this anymore. So
Speaker 1: I'm I'd like you to just kind of And I
Speaker 1: can tell you that at the point, Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm ever gonna stop. It's just I
Speaker 1: know that it's just too If it's too much, I'm
Speaker 1: too I'm too wrapped up in it. In terms of
Speaker 1: my own ego, my own sense of self worth is
Speaker 1: so so completely tied to being a performer and being
Speaker 1: I know, but still so one of the most.
Speaker 2: Well known actors in the world period ever.
Speaker 1: So I'm just wondering what that was like, how how
Speaker 1: did that how did that feel? And and and do
Speaker 1: you ever do you ever miss it? Or or or
Speaker 1: are you completely satisfied and happy doing what you're doing.
Speaker 2: I loved what I did. You know, I didn't have
Speaker 2: a lot of success in films, and that I did
Speaker 2: not like you did. I My success came from television.
Speaker 2: There was some life changing moments on film, like doing
Speaker 2: life as a house when Hayden Christiansen was a baby
Speaker 2: and I was a baby, and uh, you know, Kevin
Speaker 2: Kevin was just Kevin kleinb was obviously just you know,
Speaker 2: it's just one of the greatest. He's like you you
Speaker 2: just you watch him. You believe every second of this man. Anyway,
Speaker 2: I had a couple of really great film experiences, but
Speaker 2: TV was the bulk of that success. And I think
Speaker 2: what I realized was it came as no surprise to
Speaker 2: anyone in my inner circle except my management team that was.
Speaker 1: Like, it's like, that's a definition of a spit take
Speaker 1: when they they're just sitting there drinking their coffee and
Speaker 1: they get the call from you before you know.
Speaker 2: And but I, you know, I had, I had in
Speaker 2: that time when I had completely stopped. They convinced me
Speaker 2: to put myself on tape for two things that were
Speaker 2: just absolutely mind blowing. One was the dope sick that
Speaker 2: won the thing with Michael Keaton, which is amazing. And
Speaker 2: then there was another one. Jessica Chastain like, look, we
Speaker 2: know you don't want to do this. Just do it.
Speaker 2: You're too good in this, Just make it happen. So
Speaker 2: I did it, and it was all very close, and
Speaker 2: but the roles were they needed to scan a big
Speaker 2: a little older, and so it was all fine. But
Speaker 2: I've never felt more at peace with the decision ever.
Speaker 2: But it's scary, man, because when you walk away and
Speaker 2: I have a wife and children, and when you walk
Speaker 2: away from the only thing you've ever known that supports
Speaker 2: your life. And also too, you know, I had gone
Speaker 2: through a really wild financial mishap, which is during Vampire Diaries.
Speaker 2: I was using all the money I was making to
Speaker 2: finance and build companies, right that was, And so being
Speaker 2: an entrepreneur versus being on a successful being an actor
Speaker 2: on a successful television show is very different. And I
Speaker 2: used a lot of that cash to finance a company
Speaker 2: that should have been worth a fortune that I owned
Speaker 2: a third of. At the time, we had the most
Speaker 2: powerful LED light system in the world, right and we
Speaker 2: were saving lives in the oil patch because of our
Speaker 2: safety mechanisms and all sorts of cool stuff. Only to
Speaker 2: find out that our biggest customer was stealing from us,
Speaker 2: Like to the tunes of Like Millions, the CEO was
Speaker 2: embezzling its that old famous story, young actor person gets
Speaker 2: into a business they don't necessarily know, and they just
Speaker 2: get posed. The big problem was I had made personal
Speaker 2: guarantees on all of the loans, which.
Speaker 1: Is so stupid.
Speaker 2: What are you thinking? You know, you're like, you're in
Speaker 2: your early thirties, you feel like you're invincible, super idealistic,
Speaker 2: you know you've got this, and then one day you
Speaker 2: find all this stuff out as you're transitioning out of
Speaker 2: a television show, a successful one where you should be retiring.
Speaker 2: On that faithful day, I get a phone call, Hey,
Speaker 2: are you sitting down money chance? Uh huh from my
Speaker 2: team for my lawyers. When you literally get that phone call, Hey,
Speaker 2: I know you're wrapping one of the biggest TV shows world,
Speaker 2: but I just want you to know you're in an
Speaker 2: eight figure hole that you're gonna have to get out of.
Speaker 2: And my wife is really a gangster and spent eighteen
Speaker 2: months negotiating us out of this, figuring out how to
Speaker 2: do it. But it was I mean, obviously life changing
Speaker 2: right throws you upside down and so you pivot. And
Speaker 2: I would have never been able to do that without her.
Speaker 2: It's her genius and tenacity and finesse that allowed us
Speaker 2: to do it. But I had to rebuild on top
Speaker 2: of walking away from the one thing I knew. So
Speaker 2: it was bizarre, but I've never felt better. And I think,
Speaker 2: what when you step away from acting, what it does
Speaker 2: is it gives you the clarity to focus on what's real,
Speaker 2: which is your family, your children, your health, because I
Speaker 2: lost my health, you know, going through this. And I
Speaker 2: looked at my wife and I just said, she said,
Speaker 2: is this something you really want to do. I'll support
Speaker 2: you in every way you need. And I left. I
Speaker 2: left the entertainment business to build my companies, raise my kids,
Speaker 2: and launch these films, which there's three of them.
Speaker 1: And I want to talk about the films, but I
Speaker 1: also simultaneously want to bring on Mea Vaughan's who is
Speaker 1: the CEO and founder of Good Neighbor Gardens. Hi Mia,
Speaker 1: good to see you. Thank you so much, Kevin, thanks
Speaker 1: for joining us.
Speaker 3: Hi Maya, it's my honor, it's my privilege. Really, thank
Speaker 3: you so much for this blessing.
Speaker 1: Hey, you know, first off, well, you're you're living on
Speaker 1: a farm. Is that correct? You live on a farm.
Speaker 2: Now we are we're in we're in the city right now.
Speaker 2: We're actually I'm going to go back out there in
Speaker 2: just a little while.
Speaker 1: I was so knocked out by by the film.
Speaker 2: Thanks you.
Speaker 1: It's really it's simultaneously. For those of you that haven't
Speaker 1: seen it, it's it's it's it's a little bit hard
Speaker 1: to pitch. It's a it's a lot about food. It's
Speaker 1: a lot about soil. It's a lot about farming. It's
Speaker 1: a lot about uh, you know, uh, chemical companies. It's
Speaker 1: got conspiracies, it's got the government. I mean it's you said,
Speaker 1: so Common Ground is the one that I watch, and
Speaker 1: it's part of it. It's it's part of a trilogy.
Speaker 1: Is that right?
Speaker 2: There's three of them.
Speaker 1: Okay, so what's the first one called.
Speaker 2: It's called Kiss the Ground.
Speaker 1: Kiss the Ground.
Speaker 2: I gotta go by the way that that's on Netflix.
Speaker 2: You can find that right so easily. I don't know
Speaker 2: what Harrelseon narrates for us. So it's like that great
Speaker 2: melodic you know, it's.
Speaker 1: Like he's got a great voice.
Speaker 2: What do you It's it's such a great voice, like
Speaker 2: guys like what do you Harrelson or McConaughey, Like you
Speaker 2: could just listen to those guys all day long. And
Speaker 2: so we're really grateful that what he did that and
Speaker 2: me and much too. You know what, the amazing work
Speaker 2: that me has been doing. Kiss the Ground was the
Speaker 2: beginning of this. And I and I think you know Mia,
Speaker 2: like remember when we all saw that film cut together.
Speaker 2: It changed, it changed, It changes your life, right, you
Speaker 2: can't unsee it. So kiss the ground and common ground.
Speaker 2: Kiss the ground was the promise of regeneration. Common ground
Speaker 2: is why it happened and how we can get out
Speaker 2: of it. Ground Swell is going to be the international
Speaker 2: version and why and how it can spread globally and
Speaker 2: the economic value of it.
Speaker 1: So me, for those of us that don't know this
Speaker 1: this term, can you please describe to us what regenerative
Speaker 1: farming is in a nutshell so to speak.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, to be honest, there's not one one
Speaker 3: definition of regeneration my mind and in my spirit. But
Speaker 3: essentially what the utilitarian use of the word is that
Speaker 3: we are doing what we can to benefit the earth
Speaker 3: in our practices here on the earth, Okay, instead of
Speaker 3: taking away from the earth, depleting the earth, you know,
Speaker 3: I mean I have to borrow from my own African
Speaker 3: roots in that. You know, in the Western world, you're
Speaker 3: taught that the earth is yours, you know, and that
Speaker 3: you're the master of it. But you know, in African cultures,
Speaker 3: you're taught that you're the Earth's you know. Yeah, And
Speaker 3: so you know, not to get caught up in the language,
Speaker 3: but to understand, like Ian was saying in the beginning,
Speaker 3: you know, your composition is so much like the composition
Speaker 3: of the earth. And that's what I teach the children
Speaker 3: in the schools. You know that you are a living organism,
Speaker 3: so as a plant, so it's a bug. Then I
Speaker 3: ask them what else and they say, a tree, you know,
Speaker 3: and you need five things to thrive and not just survive.
Speaker 3: You know, you need water, you need air, sunlight, nutrients,
Speaker 3: and you gotta have love in order to really thrive. Right,
Speaker 3: And so does a plant. Plant needs that too. The soil,
Speaker 3: the soil needs that, you know. And so regeneration is
Speaker 3: really about for me, it's about teaching the next generation
Speaker 3: so that we have the opportunity for sustainability to truly
Speaker 3: give back to the Earth, to become engaged with the Earth,
Speaker 3: to understand it, to start to identify with it in
Speaker 3: such a way that you're motivated to develop a conscious
Speaker 3: relationship with it. That's really for me what regeneration is
Speaker 3: about and you know if you put if you pick
Speaker 3: up a handful of soil, there's more living microbes, more
Speaker 3: living organisms in that handful of soil than all the
Speaker 3: human beings that were born on the face of the earth.
Speaker 3: And I don't think they're completely unrelated. And it's my
Speaker 3: it's my passion, it's my developed, it's my cultivated passion
Speaker 3: to make sure that that I get that out there.
Speaker 1: Okay, So now I want to know before we get
Speaker 1: into the details of the work that you're doing, I
Speaker 1: want to know what it is that you think drew
Speaker 1: you to this. Have this as a passion, right, Some
Speaker 1: people are passion about music, some people are passionate about
Speaker 1: acting or politics or whatever it is. What was the
Speaker 1: connection to the earth. Do you think in your life
Speaker 1: or your child that or your upbringing them?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's a great question. Some things are
Speaker 3: known and some things are unknown, right Because my mother
Speaker 3: would say, do you really think you lead your own life? Honey?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: And so little did I know that I have a history?
Speaker 3: Like Ian was saying, his family come, they were farmers.
Speaker 3: You know, little did I know that I really have
Speaker 3: a history of that, Because most families don't necessarily. I
Speaker 3: don't know. My family didn't really talk about that too much.
Speaker 3: We were just dealing with the day to day.
Speaker 1: But to be honest, where you grow up just out
Speaker 1: of curiosity, and.
Speaker 3: You know, I was a military brat, so we grew
Speaker 3: up everywhere and I didn't really have a place to
Speaker 3: call home until I moved to San Diego in eighty
Speaker 3: three and I've been here ever since. But in two
Speaker 3: thousand and eight, after being a financial planner for more
Speaker 3: than twenty years, I was kind of I started dating
Speaker 3: a new guy and we both were praying to live
Speaker 3: in our purpose. We were like, what, you know, what
Speaker 3: were we really put here to do? You know, whatever
Speaker 3: that is, that'll be our form of worship, that'll be
Speaker 3: how we live, you know, what is it? And little
Speaker 3: by little, you know, when you ask that question, it's
Speaker 3: almost like, did I really ask that question? Now? I'm scared.
Speaker 3: But my old life started to pass away and I
Speaker 3: found myself digging in the dirt and I remember I
Speaker 3: had a hoodie on, you know, a raincoat over that,
Speaker 3: and I was it was actually raining in San Diego,
Speaker 3: which is rare, and because I was losing so much
Speaker 3: of my prior life, I was crying while it was raining.
Speaker 3: But I was digging in the soil at this garden
Speaker 3: that we had planted together, and I was feeling depleted.
Speaker 3: But the soil was just wriggling with worms and the
Speaker 3: nutrients that we had just hoped for the plant. I mean,
Speaker 3: we were I was pulling up turnips and I couldn't
Speaker 3: believe how plentiful and bountiful. And I just felt like,
Speaker 3: this is what I want to do. I can hear
Speaker 3: what I'm doing this. There's something in this that is
Speaker 3: compelling me, you know, And so I thought, you know,
Speaker 3: we've got to do this for other people. Because the
Speaker 3: very first gift that this gentleman had offered me, he said,
Speaker 3: can I build you a garden? And I thought, oh that's.
Speaker 2: Hey, that's the best pickup line ever. Hey, could I
Speaker 2: build you a garden?
Speaker 3: Well, you know, three hundred and fifty home garden installations.
Speaker 1: Later, I tell us about that, tell us about good
Speaker 1: neighbor gardens. I want to hear. I want to hear
Speaker 1: how that, how that goes, and how you do it.
Speaker 3: And what Okay, Well, you know, I remember one day
Speaker 3: we're on the phone, we were arguing, and I said,
Speaker 3: you know, I don't think we're supposed to argue. You know,
Speaker 3: we just harvested this garden and it was more bountiful
Speaker 3: than we could ever imagine. We prayed over every seed
Speaker 3: we put in the ground, and it was just so productive.
Speaker 3: But the sad thing is is that we ended up
Speaker 3: well it's not so sad now, but we composted two
Speaker 3: thirds of it because we just didn't know who to
Speaker 3: share it with, because we were in a new space.
Speaker 1: And get that one giant zucchini that could feed you
Speaker 1: for the rest of your life, and you don't know
Speaker 1: what to do with it.
Speaker 3: And so I thought, you know, this would be much
Speaker 3: sweeter if we were able to share it, you know,
Speaker 3: And I said, I think I'm hearing something. I think
Speaker 3: we're think we're supposed to start something, and I think
Speaker 3: it's supposed to be that we share this act with
Speaker 3: others and we generate food for each other. You know,
Speaker 3: people were so adamized at that time, and I just
Speaker 3: felt like neighbors really needed to open up and love
Speaker 3: each other and this will be a loving my neighbor
Speaker 3: and neighbors feeding neighbors thing. And so there was a
Speaker 3: garden across the street I could see the raised beds.
Speaker 3: They are completely full of weeds and the people hadn't
Speaker 3: done anything with it, and I thought, I'm gonna go
Speaker 3: knock on the door and see if they'll let us,
Speaker 3: you know, farm that land. I mean, I'm living in
Speaker 3: a neighborhood here in San Diego, two blocks north of
Speaker 3: the San Diego Zoo. You know, craftsmen's and Spanish style homes.
Speaker 3: There's small yards, but man, there's twelve raised beds right there.
Speaker 3: And sure enough they were like, do you really do
Speaker 3: this for us? We've been looking for you, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's a front yard garden. So we didn't have to
Speaker 3: put out the word. Everyone's like, I want that, you know.
Speaker 3: In the moon COVID hit, it was like, Wow, everyone
Speaker 3: wanted a garden. Everyone wanted to learn that. Yeah. Every
Speaker 3: so we you know, have installed over three hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty gardens in people's yards in the last ten years.
Speaker 3: And I haven't done much social media because I've been
Speaker 3: in it, you know. But what happens is the gracious neighbor,
Speaker 3: the person who allows us to grow food in their yard.
Speaker 3: It's their garden. They get to eat their fill. But
Speaker 3: if and when there's ever too much because we're maintaining
Speaker 3: it weekly. We basically hire and train people how to
Speaker 3: do it. Call those people the urban farm hands, and
Speaker 3: they they will ask the homeowner, Hey, there's a lot
Speaker 3: of holopanos there. I don't know if you can eat
Speaker 3: all that? Would you like to share it? So it's
Speaker 3: really about the ask and please share it, take as
Speaker 3: much as you'd like. So every other Wednesday, we aggregate
Speaker 3: all the harvests from all of the surplus from all
Speaker 3: these yards and we bring it to our urban barn
Speaker 3: which is on the alley, and we make harvest boxes
Speaker 3: that other people subscribe to, so they get a box
Speaker 3: that's got ten items in it from all the aggregated
Speaker 3: gardens and local regenerative farmers. So that way we're connecting
Speaker 3: these local regenerative farmers with the homeowners, the people that
Speaker 3: are patronizing them with you know wherever at the farmer's
Speaker 3: markets or whatever. We're driving their business hopefully. And so
Speaker 3: really what this is is this is a community development project,
Speaker 3: right because those people that get that harvest box, a
Speaker 3: portion of the proceeds goes to support school garden education.
Speaker 3: So we've taught in sixteen schools. I wrote my own
Speaker 3: curriculum eight lessons that we administer in schools, elementary schools,
Speaker 3: and you know, that's really regeneration to me when we
Speaker 3: can inspire the children to develop that relationship with the
Speaker 3: earth in such a way that they're willing to care
Speaker 3: for it and to understand that when they do that,
Speaker 3: they're caring for themselves.
Speaker 1: You know, that's awesome and is a So is there
Speaker 1: the possibility I would think that something you know, this
Speaker 1: is in San Diego, but something this kind of plan
Speaker 1: or this kind of structure could could be started all
Speaker 1: over the country, all over the world.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's my goal. I mean right now, you know,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to flush out what I consider this regional
Speaker 3: co op here in San Diego. Even though we've installed
Speaker 3: over three hundred and fifty gardens, and we've installed gardens
Speaker 3: and schools and we had the opportunity to teach children,
Speaker 3: we want to be able to dim and straight to
Speaker 3: schools and to policymakers that this is critical. Every child
Speaker 3: should have the opportunity to learn outside. And if we
Speaker 3: are given the opportunity to demonstrate that here in California,
Speaker 3: then we can replicate this in other areas. You know,
Speaker 3: Package it because the program works because it's regional. It's
Speaker 3: neighbors feeding neighbors. The harvest boxes are picked up at
Speaker 3: the local yoga studio or the local you know, wherever.
Speaker 3: We've got a bagel shop, you know, and that way,
Speaker 3: people walk in, they buy bagels, or they walk in
Speaker 3: they pick up a yoga class. You know. Again, it's
Speaker 3: a way to feed one another, not just with food,
Speaker 3: but other ways. I can't tell you the stories.
Speaker 2: But the big word is is connection.
Speaker 3: Connection. That's it.
Speaker 2: That's and now, because these things are so prevalent, what
Speaker 2: you're doing, Mia is you're You've created a form of
Speaker 2: connection that is untouchable. It's like that is more powerful
Speaker 2: than pretty much anything, you know. And the states or
Speaker 2: municipal governments, we can spend billions and billions of dollars
Speaker 2: a year, but if people don't have a way to connect,
Speaker 2: you know, or kids don't have things to do after school,
Speaker 2: then we lose them. We lose that connection.
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Speaker 1: You know, I want to ask you Ian about uh
Speaker 1: An and please me and feel free to You've had
Speaker 1: your fingers in the dirt quite a bit. So my
Speaker 1: question is, you know, I'm watching the film Common Ground
Speaker 1: and and it is at times really overwhelming in terms
Speaker 1: of the problems that exist in our food chains, with
Speaker 1: with the chemicals, with the lobbying. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of big, big issues there that are existential to us.
Speaker 1: And and then you I kind of think to myself, well,
Speaker 1: I have you know, a small farm. And I started
Speaker 1: kind of going, you know, online and seeing how to
Speaker 1: approach this just on a personal basis. And I'm wondering
Speaker 1: if either one of you have any direct sources resources
Speaker 1: in terms of how people can either get involved with
Speaker 1: a community garden or if they do have farms farmers
Speaker 1: or small farmers or gentlemen farmers or whatever happens to be,
Speaker 1: you know, actually start to start to do this, to
Speaker 1: try to embrace this regenerative idea.
Speaker 2: If you're in San Diego, you're going straight to me.
Speaker 2: But if you're not, you know, one of the things,
Speaker 2: so Mia one of also the things that just blew
Speaker 2: our mind. So we released, we released Kiss the Ground.
Speaker 2: We cut a forty five minute educational version that we
Speaker 2: released to thirty five million students globally for free that
Speaker 2: changed the way kids saw the world. But Kiss the
Speaker 2: Ground the website, because it's also a nonprofit, the Common
Speaker 2: Ground is not tied directly to the five oh one
Speaker 2: C three as Kiss the Ground was. But you can
Speaker 2: go on our Kiss the Ground website and you can
Speaker 2: find people well, first of all toolkits, but then find
Speaker 2: people in areas where you are that all of a
Speaker 2: sudden directly connect you not with just tips, but with
Speaker 2: actual toolkits and people. And I think that is the
Speaker 2: big thing, because you know, and I know because and
Speaker 2: I know people ask me of this all the time too.
Speaker 2: But people literally look at me and and and a
Speaker 2: lot of journalists and and they're they're they cut through
Speaker 2: the bs because they don't want to. They don't. Everyone's
Speaker 2: sick of like greenwashing. Same, what is this regenerative agriculture,
Speaker 2: and why should I care? One of the biggest things
Speaker 2: is not just bringing people together. No matter what side
Speaker 2: of the aisle you sit on, regeneration, regenerative agriculture not
Speaker 2: only will stop climate change in its tracks. The greatest
Speaker 2: existential threat to humankind is climate disruption, right, because it's
Speaker 2: going to disrupt our food system. It's going to cause
Speaker 2: a whole lot of issues that we're staring down the
Speaker 2: But not only that, Regenerative agriculture produces higher yields, which
Speaker 2: produce bigger profits when used. Because so money talks bs walks, right,
Speaker 2: regenerative agriculture produces more money. So you can't argue with that. Right.
Speaker 2: So when people say why regeneration, what is it? It's
Speaker 2: just the use of planned grazing methods and using living
Speaker 2: growing plants literally agriculture at scale to sequest the enormous
Speaker 2: amounts of carbon dioxide, store it safely back in the
Speaker 2: ground belongs. Now, when you do that, you feed all
Speaker 2: the vitaminal organs in the soil. Healthier soil, healthier plant,
Speaker 2: healthier planet. But then higher yields, more money for farmers,
Speaker 2: higher tax bases, school districts get better, and rural area
Speaker 2: water districts gets better, you know what I mean, It's
Speaker 2: like we're doing it together and that's the beauty of regeneration,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wrote a poem. I mean, yes, you know,
Speaker 3: we tend to relate to one another sometimes in terms
Speaker 3: of the dollars, the potential dollars, but I think on
Speaker 3: a spiritual level, you know, we're really disoriented as it
Speaker 3: relates to the earth and how we are the earth.
Speaker 3: And I want to make sure that the children don't
Speaker 3: get missed because they are the next generation. They're the
Speaker 3: ones that are going to inherit whatever it is that
Speaker 3: we're doing. And so you know, I wrote a poem
Speaker 3: about it that kind of guides me. And it's essentially,
Speaker 3: I don't know if I have time to read the poems,
Speaker 3: very short, but you know, making sure that if we
Speaker 3: do amass these dollars, that we put it back into
Speaker 3: educating the youth, you know, so that they can carry
Speaker 3: this torch forward. You know, that would be the most
Speaker 3: responsible and sustainable thing we can do.
Speaker 1: I think that's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all of this, Yeah, this is all for them.
Speaker 1: It is yeah, exactly exactly, and we you know, we
Speaker 1: haven't done so well, so let's let's hope that they
Speaker 1: can they can do a little do a little better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're great ambassadors, you know. I mean they believe,
Speaker 3: you know, they still have the ability to imagine and
Speaker 3: believe that seed that looks nothing like what it's destined
Speaker 3: to become can actually become that thing that we're telling them,
Speaker 3: you know. And so they're great ambassadors. And if they'll
Speaker 3: eat it, they can. Their parents will eat it. But
Speaker 3: if you try to offer it to the parent, they
Speaker 3: might just say, oh, I'm good, but hey mom, I
Speaker 3: grew it. Okay, I'll try it.
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. Well listen, I want
Speaker 1: I thank you guys so much for saying here common
Speaker 1: ground film you really need to see and kiss the
Speaker 1: ground I'm going to watch and what are and and
Speaker 1: also uh, where are the websites that that we can
Speaker 1: uh find out about the work that you're doing? Me
Speaker 1: me and and uh and as well as the films
Speaker 1: and where this is the call to action? How can
Speaker 1: people get involved and how can people check out the
Speaker 1: good work?
Speaker 2: Tell Mia?
Speaker 3: Okay, well, my website is good neighborgardens dot com and
Speaker 3: it's plural gardens, uh single singular neighbor good Neighbor Gardens
Speaker 3: dot com. We've got a couple calls to action right now.
Speaker 3: We're trying to raise money to put more gardens in
Speaker 3: schools so that we can, you know, create this opportunity
Speaker 3: for kids to learn outside. So we have a donate
Speaker 3: button on the bottom of our front our home page
Speaker 3: of our website. We're trying to raise a substantial amount
Speaker 3: of money. I'd like to see this these gardens be
Speaker 3: established in different states, not just here in California, because
Speaker 3: the school is really the hub of the flower of
Speaker 3: the home gardens, which are the pedals that will drive
Speaker 3: this big garden of us all being interconnected in this country.
Speaker 3: We also, you know, we're always looking to be familiar
Speaker 3: with who is our local farmer, who wants to grow
Speaker 3: food in this town, who wants to get food in
Speaker 3: this town. So we have a button for each of
Speaker 3: those things on our website because our goal is to
Speaker 3: connect all of these people together. People who build good composts,
Speaker 3: we want them to be a part of our co op.
Speaker 3: You know, anyone who wants to grow food in their
Speaker 3: yard and it just continues to ripple outward. So it's
Speaker 3: all there on our website.
Speaker 1: I love that. Well, maybe as a way to close
Speaker 1: this episode out, you could read your poem.
Speaker 2: Oh, you gotta read that poem.
Speaker 3: All right, we go. We're following the path of little feet,
Speaker 3: that's what it's called. It says. Most adults are feeling
Speaker 3: it now, although the promise of spring is here. I
Speaker 3: wrote this a while ago, and the weight of the
Speaker 3: unpredictable virus seems profound in our environment. Thankfully, the children
Speaker 3: keep it light and are eager to plant new seeds
Speaker 3: in fresh soil. Let's be like them. Every time I
Speaker 3: tend to one of the sharecrop gardens, I heed the
Speaker 3: call for childlike submission. My questions are elementary. Did I
Speaker 3: water the kale enough at the root level? Well? Well,
Speaker 3: the aph it's take over my broccoli or wild mind astursium?
Speaker 3: Trap crop and prayers prove effective. If I prune this tomato,
Speaker 3: will it yield good fruit? And where exactly should I
Speaker 3: cut it to direct its energy? Plainly put, I'm seeking
Speaker 3: spiritual guidance, and these are my humble conversations with God.
Speaker 3: It's grounding. It's where I express my curiosity and intelligence, hope, creativity,
Speaker 3: and patience. It's divine relationship. No one not Sandra Bose
Speaker 3: or even George Washington Carver ever uncovered all the sensitive
Speaker 3: secrets of mother nature. But they were compelled and they
Speaker 3: prove that as your birth mother, she just wants your love.
Speaker 3: So come spend time with her. She will nurture your
Speaker 3: inner child and reward you dearly. If not with food,
Speaker 3: then at least with practical wisdom for trying. How much time,
Speaker 3: that's your choice and how will you spend it. That's
Speaker 3: up to you as well. Just follow the path of
Speaker 3: little feet and get in there.
Speaker 1: That's amazing for sharing us with that and someone Halder,
Speaker 1: thank you guys so much for being here. Thank you,
Speaker 1: thanks for having it fascinating and insightful conversation and I
Speaker 1: appreciate the great work that you guys are doing, so thanks.
Speaker 1: Thanks for doing this. Hey everybody, thanks for listening to
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