Speaker 1: Hate everybody.
Speaker 2: We can't agree on anything in this country, including what
Speaker 2: time it is. Welcome everybody that's robes on TJ Daylight
Speaker 2: Saving time the way we do it now, you're forward
Speaker 2: or against it?
Speaker 1: Do you want them to change this?
Speaker 3: Before reading all the research.
Speaker 1: That you've provided here, There you go.
Speaker 3: My answer has always been, yes, I get depressed when
Speaker 3: we have to turn the clocks back. Yes, I get
Speaker 3: an extra hour of sleep, but that doesn't in any
Speaker 3: way compensate for the fact that I hate when it
Speaker 3: gets dark at four point fifteen here in New York
Speaker 3: City in the winter time. It's oof. That takes a
Speaker 3: toll on me mentally.
Speaker 2: Okay, like everybody else, they hate it because of the moment,
Speaker 2: the moment being when you switch the clocks. You don't
Speaker 2: have a problem when they switch the clocks. When we
Speaker 2: spring forward, that doesn't mess you up necessarily.
Speaker 3: Well, no, because it stays lighter longer, which makes me happy.
Speaker 3: When it gets darker early, it makes me sad.
Speaker 1: And you know you know this better than anybody. But
Speaker 1: the weather is not in control of your mood.
Speaker 3: You tell me this, all right, but it does it.
Speaker 3: They have been the mood when things get dark at
Speaker 3: four fifteen.
Speaker 2: It's personal to everybody and that's the issue, and we're
Speaker 2: trying to make it uniform for the whole country and
Speaker 2: it's difficult, but yes, it's talked to, being talked about
Speaker 2: right now, it's being talked about again. It's talked about
Speaker 2: pretty much every year. This happens pretty much every year,
Speaker 2: and there's some bills that have been sitting in Congress
Speaker 2: for years and years. They introduce it and they want
Speaker 2: to get rid of this bi annual thing we do,
Speaker 2: which is switch the clocks. So they want us to
Speaker 2: all be on what as we sit here, we're currently
Speaker 2: on daylight saving time, which means we put the clocks.
Speaker 1: Forward, yes, in the springtime.
Speaker 2: So the way they are right now, a bill that's
Speaker 2: been now approved in Congress would keep the time as
Speaker 2: it is and we'd never switch back.
Speaker 1: And here we are.
Speaker 3: How's that sounding amazing? And by the way, it was
Speaker 3: overwhelmingly approved in the House wheep this time. However, it
Speaker 3: doesn't mean that's where we're headed, because why would we
Speaker 3: ever expect the House and the Senate to agree on anything.
Speaker 2: Well, this is when they should agree on. This is
Speaker 2: what we should have a debate about. During war maybe not.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem of all.
Speaker 2: That was going on and we had a shut down,
Speaker 2: they can get this done priorities.
Speaker 1: But yes, it is.
Speaker 2: They bring it up every year, but it's a big
Speaker 2: deal now, Rose because yes, not only did it get
Speaker 2: brought up.
Speaker 1: It has passed the house robes.
Speaker 2: It's one step away from possibly this country going to
Speaker 2: a full time daylight saving time, no more switching.
Speaker 3: And the President has already said he absolutely will give
Speaker 3: his stamp of approval. In fact, he has been encouraging.
Speaker 3: I believe he started making comments about this as early
Speaker 3: as May of this year, twenty twenty six, and was
Speaker 3: kind of saying, you're an idiot if you don't want
Speaker 3: more sunshine. I mean you paraphrasing a little bit. Is that?
Speaker 2: Do you find that's an oprah simplification of what's happening.
Speaker 2: But that's the argument that most people make. This is stupid.
Speaker 2: Why are we doing this? It throws us off, It
Speaker 2: throws our bodies off.
Speaker 3: It does get a lot easier now in current times
Speaker 3: where my phone automatically updates and a lot of our
Speaker 3: electronics automatically update. But I have to tell you, I
Speaker 3: remember being so annoyed. In fact, we do have some
Speaker 3: manual clocks. I'm like, for the love of God, twice
Speaker 3: a year I have to change the yes and you
Speaker 3: end up doing most of it. But the few times
Speaker 3: I've had to do it, yeah, that's I am put out.
Speaker 2: So what I'm saying, what you're saying is right. It
Speaker 2: is inconvenient. It's an annoyance. We have to go through
Speaker 2: it every year. And yes, it's difficult to all of
Speaker 2: a sudden change your clock, your body clock to all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, I gotta get up an hour early
Speaker 2: or hour late. Things get thrown off that I buy.
Speaker 2: The problem here is we're having the wrong argument. I
Speaker 2: didn't even realize that, but it's the wrong argument. We're
Speaker 2: arguing over whether or not we should go to daylight
Speaker 2: saving time full time. The argument should be we should
Speaker 2: absolutely get rid of the way we're doing it now
Speaker 2: doing it the switch is what everybody kind of agrees
Speaker 2: is wrong.
Speaker 3: That's the annoying part that's wrong. And especially I will
Speaker 3: say this now that my kids are older, it doesn't
Speaker 3: affect me. But when my kids were younger, that one
Speaker 3: hour through the whole schedule into Mayhem, I couldn't believe
Speaker 3: how much a baby or a toddler got thrown from
Speaker 3: one hour from a one hour change, and it really
Speaker 3: was disruptive for a couple weeks until your child gets
Speaker 3: into a new rhythm, and twice a year you have
Speaker 3: to go through this. I remember that being an added
Speaker 3: annoyance from birth, I think from birth up until probably
Speaker 3: even like like double digits. It threw my kids off,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure a lot of parents had that have
Speaker 3: had or are having that same experience.
Speaker 2: What romes You bring up a very good point that
Speaker 2: doesn't get talked about enough in these debates. Your circadian rhythm.
Speaker 2: Let's we're gonna talk about it here a little more later.
Speaker 2: But for kids, they don't have one. I know that
Speaker 2: out when they're born. They don't have that internal clock.
Speaker 2: It develops over time. So if a kid trying to
Speaker 2: develop an internal clock, you just took an hour away,
Speaker 2: or you gave an hour twice a year, it's hell.
Speaker 1: It is bad on kids, and that's exactly why, And.
Speaker 3: That means it's bad on parents, which affects almost everybody
Speaker 3: in this country at some point in their lives.
Speaker 1: Between your clocks and your kids. You really hate.
Speaker 3: Daylist, Nay, I really do I've actually felt very passionate
Speaker 3: about it for most of my life. I'm kind of
Speaker 3: embarrassing to admit, but I have felt passionate about it.
Speaker 2: To the point I was shocked that we were bordering
Speaker 2: on a relationship fight over daylight saving.
Speaker 1: It was I didn't know you would that bad.
Speaker 3: You actually told me that you like the switch. You
Speaker 3: look forward to the switch. I have never heard anyone
Speaker 3: say that before in my life.
Speaker 1: But I like the little gift you get.
Speaker 2: I like the change. I like all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: we just wake up one day and there's more light.
Speaker 2: I like robes that we wake up one day we
Speaker 2: get an extra hour of sleep.
Speaker 1: I like the switch. I've become some way a customed
Speaker 1: robes my entire life. This has been the case. Why
Speaker 1: you want to change it now?
Speaker 3: The change has been constant, which is why you like it,
Speaker 3: because you're used to it, because.
Speaker 2: There is a rhythm to it. I am used to it.
Speaker 2: My body is adjusted to it now. That's my thinking. Actually,
Speaker 2: I didn't realize there is science that backs me up.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying, why did you just search for the
Speaker 3: science that validated your feelings?
Speaker 1: No, normally, I would do that.
Speaker 3: I did, just wanted to check, okay.
Speaker 2: I did not have to this time because it was
Speaker 2: just hitting me in the face.
Speaker 1: TJ, you are right, boom boom, Wow.
Speaker 3: That's just a Monday or a Tuesday or a Wednesday.
Speaker 1: No, but this was interesting to hear.
Speaker 2: So do we have to explain this everybody, because sometimes
Speaker 2: it's a little difficult for me to understand daylight saving time.
Speaker 1: I get them mixed up sometimes.
Speaker 2: So daylight saving time we set our clocks back one
Speaker 2: hour in the colder months, we set our clocks ahead
Speaker 2: one hour in the warmer months. So we're in it
Speaker 2: now as of this recording, but it goes from March
Speaker 2: to November. Daylight saving time standard time is November to March.
Speaker 2: Makes sense, so standard time, you turn the clock back
Speaker 2: an hour, we get earlier sunrises and we get earlier sunsets.
Speaker 2: You don't like the earlier sunset part.
Speaker 3: I absolutely cannot stand that. And I think it does
Speaker 3: go back to my childhood. I remember doing homework and
Speaker 3: thinking it's pitch black and it just made me feel eh,
Speaker 3: And you know, I just there was actually something fun
Speaker 3: And maybe this is because of our early morning ritual
Speaker 3: being broadcast journalists for so many years, I thought there
Speaker 3: was something exciting and fun about driving to work in
Speaker 3: the dark, like I was doing something that no one
Speaker 3: else was doing. And I liked that feeling. And literally
Speaker 3: I remember I was like, oh, it's already light. My
Speaker 3: job isn't that special. Everybody else is up now too.
Speaker 3: It's funny there coming and going. There was something about
Speaker 3: the light differential that I somehow viewed negatively.
Speaker 1: Look, everybody has their thing.
Speaker 2: You have your reasons, and that's okay, yeah, and you
Speaker 2: are passionate as hell about it. So daylight saving time,
Speaker 2: So when we turn clots ahead an hour, what happens there?
Speaker 1: You know what I didn't ask you about this first?
Speaker 2: The earlier sunrises, the early not the late sunset, but
Speaker 2: the earlier sunrises. Forget the work part of it, but
Speaker 2: just naturally on a weekend, it.
Speaker 3: Feels weird to me that the sunrise is here at five.
Speaker 3: I get five thirty in the morning, it's already getting light.
Speaker 3: I feel like that's strange.
Speaker 2: Sorry, just getting a text message there from Sabine. I'm
Speaker 2: sure she's asking about the sunrises as well. Okay, so
Speaker 2: daylight saving time, we turn clots aheadun rises later.
Speaker 1: What do you feel about that?
Speaker 3: I like it?
Speaker 1: Why?
Speaker 3: I like because we're always up early, and I have
Speaker 3: before most of my life, and I there is something
Speaker 3: cool about being up when it's dark and I know
Speaker 3: the sun's about to rise, so light is coming, and
Speaker 3: I don't know, there's just something about the anticipation of
Speaker 3: the sunrise. I like it.
Speaker 2: One other things, what's too late for a sunrise for you?
Speaker 2: What's too if the sun's still not up at what
Speaker 2: time is that?
Speaker 3: I like the sun to be up around seven am.
Speaker 2: Okay, you're totally in my camp. We're gona get to
Speaker 2: that in just a second. So what's happened now in
Speaker 2: Congress this year? Robes, Yes, this kind of came as
Speaker 2: a surprise and we saw the news first cross But
Speaker 2: the House has passed this bill. It's called the Sunshine
Speaker 2: Protection Act. Funny name from the Sunshine State Representative Anna
Speaker 2: Paulina Luna, Republican from Florida. She is sponsoring at this time.
Speaker 3: So funny. Her last name means moon like this.
Speaker 2: Anna Paulina Luna from the Sunshine State has sponsored the
Speaker 2: Sunshine Protection Act.
Speaker 3: I love the name. I think it's hilarious.
Speaker 2: You can't make this stuff up though, but threeh eight
Speaker 2: to one seventeen in the House, that's overwhelming.
Speaker 3: Overwhelming. They can't agree on anything. Everybody can agree we
Speaker 3: want to protect sunlight.
Speaker 2: And they call it the Sunshine Protection Act. It makes
Speaker 2: them sounding like their heroes or something.
Speaker 3: It's hilarious.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this would make what we have now, what
Speaker 2: we're sitting in daylight savery time, permanent throughout the country.
Speaker 2: Robes some I did joke about it, but there are
Speaker 2: some people who are asked for comment in Congress about this.
Speaker 2: They said, just say, we got better things to do.
Speaker 2: Like why are you asking me about I don't have
Speaker 2: an opinion? Like who cares? Why are we doing this
Speaker 2: in the middle of Iran war inflations?
Speaker 1: What it is?
Speaker 2: We got fights and stuff and we got all this
Speaker 2: going on, We got ice, we got robes.
Speaker 1: Why are we doing so?
Speaker 3: We have to protect the sunshine.
Speaker 1: I have to protect the sun so.
Speaker 3: I have guardians of sunlight.
Speaker 2: Okay, a little sarcastic there, but they have tried this
Speaker 2: year after year after year, but it's gone through this time.
Speaker 1: Robes.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the Senate though, Okay, it got proved in
Speaker 2: the House overwhelmingly. Word though about whether or not this
Speaker 2: could become law. It sounds like that was a pretty
Speaker 2: immediate pushback. It doesn't sound like this is actually gonna.
Speaker 3: Become well know, and it seems like it's a senator
Speaker 3: from your home state who's leading the way.
Speaker 1: You know what.
Speaker 2: As we continue with names and Senator of Margason named.
Speaker 3: Cotton, can't make it up.
Speaker 1: I didn't know we were gonna go this direction on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: But yeah, Senator Tom Cott has already come out and
Speaker 2: said he is pleading with them not to even bring
Speaker 2: it up for a vote, and if it does, they'll try.
Speaker 1: To block it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it seems like the Senate Majority Leader John
Speaker 3: Thune is inclined not to bring it to the Senate floor,
Speaker 3: so they won't even vote on it.
Speaker 2: I salute you fellas. Go back a little bit, folks.
Speaker 2: This was actually one hundred years ago that we ended
Speaker 2: up here. It was called the Standard Time Act of
Speaker 2: nineteen eighteen. This was actually a wartime measure ropes. They
Speaker 2: were trying to save energy, They were trying to save
Speaker 2: coal and oil for heating homes, so they made the switch.
Speaker 2: It only lasted a year, so they re peeled it
Speaker 2: in nineteen nineteen. Move forward to nineteen sixty six with
Speaker 2: the Uniform Time Act of nineteen sixty six. That's when
Speaker 2: Congress gave themselves we have the power to change the
Speaker 2: time zones all across the country. That's when it goes
Speaker 2: into place. Now, we did this thing. Now in nineteen
Speaker 2: sixty six rope they made the system that we currently have,
Speaker 2: the bi annual change. But in nineteen seventy three they
Speaker 2: changed it to permanent daylight.
Speaker 3: Saving time the year of my birth. That makes a
Speaker 3: lot of sense. Maybe that's why I'm so passionate about it.
Speaker 1: They canceled it the next year. Wow, because it didn't work.
Speaker 3: Okay, So if we've already tried this and it didn't work,
Speaker 3: why have we not learned from that?
Speaker 2: Because people don't remember history. They remember when their kids
Speaker 2: were young and daylight saving coust hell, they remember changing
Speaker 2: their clocks. They remember all the annoyance annoying they have.
Speaker 2: Those are people all elections. It's personal people. This is
Speaker 2: personal for.
Speaker 3: People, and it affects everybody.
Speaker 1: It does, but it's very personal. People have their reasons.
Speaker 2: So they tried it in nineteen seventy three, they'd haven't
Speaker 2: yo the emergency daylight saving time energy Conservation Act.
Speaker 1: You like that one.
Speaker 3: It was about energy. It wasn't about annoyance. It was
Speaker 3: about conserving energy.
Speaker 2: It was because at the time there was a fueling crisis,
Speaker 2: so they wanted to conserve injury concern.
Speaker 1: What did you just say, angel energy?
Speaker 2: So one year later, Robes, you were born. Oh my goodness,
Speaker 2: you were born in daylight saving time.
Speaker 3: See that's what I said. It just comes to me naturally.
Speaker 2: It was year round at the time, year round daylight
Speaker 2: saving switched it back.
Speaker 1: Why would they switch it back in just a year, Robes,
Speaker 1: because people were pissed and it didn't work. It didn't
Speaker 1: work in one of the major arguments.
Speaker 2: And I'm curious to what you think about this, Robes,
Speaker 2: kids were going to school and pitch black darkness in
Speaker 2: some places in this country.
Speaker 3: Do you know what's funny? You asked me why if
Speaker 3: I recalled or if I remembered why people were against this,
Speaker 3: And I said, I thought it was because kids were
Speaker 3: going to the school bus stop in the dark. I
Speaker 3: must have remembered that from childhood, that that was a
Speaker 3: big conversation that people were upset about it. They didn't
Speaker 3: want their kids going to school in pitch black darkness,
Speaker 3: that it was unsafe.
Speaker 2: They also made arguments ro overy the time this is
Speaker 2: we'll get into some more of the safety issues, but
Speaker 2: as far as having cars out on the road, people
Speaker 2: driving in the mornings, rush out and whatnot, they have
Speaker 2: some evidence that they do believe led to more accidents. Now,
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three year robes when they put this in place,
Speaker 2: seventy nine percent of Americans supported permanent daylight.
Speaker 3: Saving time overwhelming Wow.
Speaker 2: In March that dropped a forty two percent after people
Speaker 2: actually went through it.
Speaker 1: Hell, no, we don't like this, My goodness.
Speaker 2: Now, for whatever, I would be so curious to see
Speaker 2: how you felt in permanent daylight saving time to where
Speaker 2: you might go this. People overwhelmingly switched once they actually went.
Speaker 3: That's fascinating that once they actually got what they wanted,
Speaker 3: they didn't like it.
Speaker 2: So are you saying, now, are you still willing to
Speaker 2: try it? You want them to give it a shot?
Speaker 3: Well, now, I'm kind of afraid. Why was it so
Speaker 3: terrible that everyone just completely made a one eighty and
Speaker 3: they lived through it? Obviously I was one, so I
Speaker 3: have no memory of it. But that actually does give
Speaker 3: me pause. I would like to learn more about why
Speaker 3: people overwhelmingly wanted it and then overwhelmingly rejected it.
Speaker 2: It was a lot of parents, they cite parents. There
Speaker 2: was a New York Times article I look that from
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy four. Parents, parents were that upset. Now this
Speaker 2: is not the only thing that was going on, but
Speaker 2: robes if you are madgine, there's some place you talk about,
Speaker 2: New York. We're here, Our sunrise is at what time?
Speaker 2: Now it's or in the winter, it's a little before
Speaker 2: seven maybe.
Speaker 3: Yes, I actually don't know the exact date or exact time,
Speaker 3: but it seems reasonable. I think for me. The only
Speaker 3: thing that's shocking to me is how early the sun
Speaker 3: sets here in New York during the winter.
Speaker 2: Okay, but there are some places, a place like Cleveland,
Speaker 2: that is, that experiences later sunrises than a lot of
Speaker 2: places in the country far our west, in the Southwest,
Speaker 2: they get earlier sunrises. But ropes, what if kids in
Speaker 2: the winter are going to the bus stop pitch black
Speaker 2: darkness and the sun doesn't come up until nine nine thirty.
Speaker 3: That's tough.
Speaker 1: How does that feel?
Speaker 3: That's tough? And look, I know there are countries that
Speaker 3: deal with this certain parts of you know, Scotland and
Speaker 3: all of these northern European countries. They get like incredibly
Speaker 3: small windows of light and a lot of darkness, and
Speaker 3: that is overwhelming. But you're choosing to live there in
Speaker 3: that latitude, and you understand that that comes with the territory.
Speaker 3: But I do think, yeah, that is tough to have
Speaker 3: the sun not rise until nine am. I get that.
Speaker 1: No, that's a legit push back. I get that for us, though,
Speaker 1: Let's go eight eight thirty.
Speaker 2: Like Sabine goes to school Rope, she has to be
Speaker 2: in the school by seven fifty.
Speaker 1: I think it is.
Speaker 2: I get seven fifty to think for the next hour.
Speaker 2: She's in pitch black darkness. Kids going to school through
Speaker 2: the winter and every morning rush hour is in the
Speaker 2: dark as if it's nighttime. That feels a little weird
Speaker 2: and it might be a little dangerous. Oh that's the
Speaker 2: time you got more people out and more kids out
Speaker 2: walking the street.
Speaker 3: That's legit that I do understand that argument. And it
Speaker 3: is something where it sounds like a good idea until
Speaker 3: it's actually put into practice, and then you realize the
Speaker 3: reason why this system has been in place for as
Speaker 3: long as it has.
Speaker 2: So what do proponents say, well.
Speaker 1: A lot of them say robes.
Speaker 2: There is a safety issue here having to do with
Speaker 2: there's more light in the evening means less crime. If
Speaker 2: you take away two hours of darkness, an hour of
Speaker 2: darkness that's one or two hours, it fewer crimes are
Speaker 2: going to take place.
Speaker 1: Does that makes sense?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Do that makes sense? Yes, when it's dark, yes,
Speaker 3: you might be more inclined to do something that you
Speaker 3: hope nobody will see.
Speaker 2: Also on the safety front, car accidents, but they focus
Speaker 2: on the afternoon and evening, the evening rush hour. There's
Speaker 2: more light in the evening, so you can have fewer
Speaker 2: car accidents as people are making their way home.
Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Get that.
Speaker 2: They throw out energy savings as well, and they also
Speaker 2: say there's more family time at the end of the day.
Speaker 2: There's more time for people to spend time together.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: People, I think when it gets dark, you wind down,
Speaker 3: you might go to bed early, you might just kind
Speaker 3: of go into your own private spaces because you feel
Speaker 3: like you're you're just it's cavernous, you're denning, you're kind
Speaker 3: of in your own space. I get that far. If
Speaker 3: it's light, you're out, you're active, you're participating you're more social.
Speaker 2: Okay, so all that makes sense. But here's what your
Speaker 2: opponents say, robes one. See, those are practical things in life.
Speaker 2: The opponents are talking about something else, long term health consequences.
Speaker 2: It's better for your natural body clock to not be
Speaker 2: on daylight saving time. You need more light to be
Speaker 2: awake and alert in the morning, baby, and you need
Speaker 2: more dark in the evening in order to fall asleep. Now,
Speaker 2: just you don't have to get too deep into sign.
Speaker 3: That all makes sense.
Speaker 1: That just makes it.
Speaker 3: But then, so was this what you were referencing at
Speaker 3: the beginning, That we're making the wrong argument there it
Speaker 3: is we should be advocating for standard time, not daylight
Speaker 3: saving time.
Speaker 2: We should first be arguing to get rid of the
Speaker 2: system we have, the bi annual switch.
Speaker 3: Should I think we can all agree to that the
Speaker 3: switch is what's annoying.
Speaker 2: That we need to But that's the thing. We're not
Speaker 2: in agreement about which direction to go, daylight saving time
Speaker 2: or standard time.
Speaker 3: I've never heard anybody make an argument to stay in
Speaker 3: standard time.
Speaker 2: Because we're not listening to scientists. We listen to the
Speaker 2: arguments on TV. We listen to the politicians. We listen
Speaker 2: to people get on and I'm not I'm not knocking
Speaker 2: before this, but most people it's personal.
Speaker 3: I've never heard anyone say we should stay on standard
Speaker 3: time the entire time, and obviously just the idea of
Speaker 3: daylight saving. Who doesn't want to save daylight sounds good,
Speaker 3: that sounds protection, that sounds good. Standard time won't.
Speaker 1: Won't camp has.
Speaker 3: A PR problem? Absolutely standard But I didn't even know
Speaker 3: you had a CAMP. I didn't know that was an option.
Speaker 3: It was always either switch or full time daylight saving.
Speaker 3: I've never heard the argument made to just stay on
Speaker 3: standard time.
Speaker 2: Baby, we're having We're all in agreement that the current
Speaker 2: system sucks. So which one should we go to? And yes, Roades,
Speaker 2: once you say it that way, who wants to go
Speaker 2: get anything? Yeah, just give me the standard.
Speaker 3: I want the saving, I want the sunshine protection. I
Speaker 3: don't want standard standards mine.
Speaker 1: Let's we'll just take a standard room.
Speaker 3: I want the executive suite.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, yes, we have a PR problem, Robes. This
Speaker 2: was a quote from run researcher. It puts us permanently
Speaker 2: out of sync with our natural environment. If you do
Speaker 2: daylight saving time, you are permanently putting yourself out of
Speaker 2: sync with nature and what your internal clock is doing.
Speaker 2: By doing so, we're gonna explain any even more. But Robes,
Speaker 2: you read that statement there from the Academy of Sleep Medicine,
Speaker 2: the American Academy of Sleep Medicine. I said, we're listening
Speaker 2: to the wrong people. There is a camp, and it's
Speaker 2: doctors who think we need to change.
Speaker 3: Their voices should be louder than is what I would say.
Speaker 3: But here is what the American Academy of Sleep Medicine
Speaker 3: had to say. An abundance of accumulated evidence indicates that
Speaker 3: the acute transition from standard time to daylight saving time
Speaker 3: incurs significant public health and safety risks, including increased risk
Speaker 3: of adverse cardiovascular events, mood disorders, and motor vehicle crashes.
Speaker 3: Although chronic effects of remaining in daylight saving time year
Speaker 3: round have not been well studied, daylight saving time is
Speaker 3: less aligned with human circadian biology.
Speaker 1: All right, here comes not pay close attention to this next.
Speaker 3: Part, which, due to the impacts of the delayed natural
Speaker 3: light dark cycle on human activity, could result in circadian misalignment,
Speaker 3: which has been associated in some studies with increased cardiovascular
Speaker 3: disease risk. Metabolic syndrome and other health risks. It is
Speaker 3: therefore the position of the American Academy of Sleep Medicine
Speaker 3: that these seasonal time changes should be abolished in favor
Speaker 3: of a fixed, national, year round standard time.
Speaker 1: That's the American Academy of Sleep Medicine. They do this.
Speaker 3: Has anyone put forth a bill asking that standard time
Speaker 3: become the noise permanent?
Speaker 2: Yes, they have, and it went nowhere. It's never gotten
Speaker 2: a vote. Actually, sweetheart, I don't think I have it
Speaker 2: in here. Even the title of it I think is boring.
Speaker 3: I think let's just all stay standard.
Speaker 1: It's it's I think it has a boring title.
Speaker 2: But yes, there's one that's not getting an attention, and
Speaker 2: it hasn't gotten a vote and certainly not gonna get pass.
Speaker 2: It does have a pr problem. Now roads the next
Speaker 2: thing here, Stanford Medicine. This is probably the most cited study,
Speaker 2: comprehensive study when it comes to this particular thing. And
Speaker 2: they looked at three scenarios that we're talking about. What
Speaker 2: happens to people if they're on permanent daylight saving time?
Speaker 2: What happens to people they're permanent standard time? What happens
Speaker 2: to people when they're doing the bi annual switch.
Speaker 3: How do they look at those scenarios if we haven't
Speaker 3: experienced them.
Speaker 2: They are studying people in those particular okay segments, So
Speaker 2: they're studying people and the and they did this so all.
Speaker 2: It wasn't just in the US, but they study why
Speaker 2: is he wearing glasses? Sorry, we're looking at something. I
Speaker 2: just got distracted. Like I always say about you chasing
Speaker 2: the laser, I saw something in that.
Speaker 1: What is that? Anyway back to the circadian rhythm? Where
Speaker 1: because the.
Speaker 2: Conclusion is clear the work, we are doing the worst
Speaker 2: out of.
Speaker 1: The three options. Wow, like do one or the other permanently?
Speaker 1: Don't switch?
Speaker 3: I agree, I'm actually so on board with that.
Speaker 1: And now here's a problem.
Speaker 2: Not the problem, but here this is where the science
Speaker 2: comes in and it makes it clear. They say in
Speaker 2: their study they can account for the switch. If you
Speaker 2: switch full time to standard time, you would have three
Speaker 2: hundred thousand fewer strokes in this country and two point
Speaker 2: six million people.
Speaker 1: Would not be obese. They're scientists from Stanford.
Speaker 2: Now, if you want me to break that down scientifically
Speaker 2: how the study was done, I don't have all that
Speaker 2: for you, but what I can tell you is that
Speaker 2: they noticed a drop off in people when they studied
Speaker 2: who stayed on standard time. Their bodies were more in
Speaker 2: line constantly with the rhythm of the earth the day,
Speaker 2: and in doing sol robes, it makes an impact on
Speaker 2: your health, a positive one because the lack of sleep,
Speaker 2: the lack of circadian rhythm we're talking about hearts here
Speaker 2: robes leads to very serious and adverse health PROCEM.
Speaker 1: Yes, and they have a number.
Speaker 3: I mean, that is remarkable, but I guess I can
Speaker 3: understand it from what little I know about. When you
Speaker 3: don't get enough sleep, when you're sleep deprived, when your
Speaker 3: sleep is messed up, you have higher cortisol levels and
Speaker 3: your body literally goes into starvation mode and starts just
Speaker 3: you have hung You're more hungry, you are storing fat
Speaker 3: because your body is protecting itself. And so I know
Speaker 3: that sleep issues absolutely lead to waking.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is what you'll appreciate robes. They studied
Speaker 2: people who are on full time daylight saving, which is
Speaker 2: what you prefer.
Speaker 3: I think, I prefer, I thought, I prefer.
Speaker 2: You'll appreciate this. It had the same health impact, not
Speaker 2: as much, but by two thirds. It had the same
Speaker 2: impact with fewer strokes and fewer people obese, but only
Speaker 2: two thirds of the results, so it wasn't as impactful,
Speaker 2: but still impactful.
Speaker 1: The point being, get off what we're doing.
Speaker 3: That you're talking about saving lives and at least pretty
Speaker 3: significantly vastly improving the quality of life for a large
Speaker 3: number of people.
Speaker 2: So as you see headlines, you make robes, it does
Speaker 2: go to you're telling me we can improve health in
Speaker 2: this country. We've been fighting obese to left and right
Speaker 2: and not don't seem to be getting anywhere, you're telling me,
Speaker 2: So we.
Speaker 3: Get I love fascinating, but I love robes that we
Speaker 3: see these public debates and back and forth and quick
Speaker 3: little quips and clickbait robes.
Speaker 1: There's something to this story.
Speaker 2: That something as simple as changing the clock and keeping
Speaker 2: it the way it is can improve the health of
Speaker 2: literally millions of people.
Speaker 3: That is remarkable. We're just well, I guess this bill
Speaker 3: could help a little bit, but we're actually putting forth,
Speaker 3: or at least the House put forth the wrong bill.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, it helps some, it could, but and this
Speaker 2: is the next argument, This might be the thing that
Speaker 2: gets you to get on board with standard time. The
Speaker 2: body circadian rhythm. We understand generally what that means. You
Speaker 2: have a natural body clock, and it is twenty four hours.
Speaker 2: It adjusts to it. Just natural science, it happens. We
Speaker 2: have this circadian rhythm and a clock. It's a natural
Speaker 2: clock that regulates our body. It doesn't just regulate your
Speaker 2: sleep wake schedule. It regulates hormones, It regulates digestion, it
Speaker 2: regulates all kinds of stuff everything.
Speaker 3: It's obviously super important.
Speaker 2: There are twenty four hours in a day. Your circadian
Speaker 2: clock is twenty four hours and twelve minutes. Right, Okay,
Speaker 2: this messed me up, It really really did. I was
Speaker 2: trying to explain it as best I can. What doctors
Speaker 2: are saying here, Robes, is that you need help jump
Speaker 2: starting your clock, because soon as you start your day, you're.
Speaker 3: Behind twelve minutes behind.
Speaker 1: Your twelve minutes behind.
Speaker 3: That's where the snooze button's great.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: See when I'm dealing with folks, No, you're twelve minutes behind,
Speaker 2: which means Rope, you need help kickstarting your day.
Speaker 3: I'm just thinking I needed twelve more minutes of sleep, Christ,
Speaker 3: which is usually the bare minimum.
Speaker 2: But still when you wake up, you're still twelve minutes behind.
Speaker 2: You can hit twelve as much as you want, you're
Speaker 2: still behind in the day.
Speaker 1: So how do you catch up?
Speaker 2: Part of the way you catch up is that light
Speaker 2: hits you and it gets you going.
Speaker 3: When's the last time you woke up to sunlight?
Speaker 1: Sweetheart?
Speaker 2: Some of us are just freaks. Okay, some of us
Speaker 2: are just freaks of nature. And it's a mind thing
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: And you know this.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how much sleep I got the night before.
Speaker 2: It's what do I have to do today?
Speaker 3: You wake up at three am, no matter what, and.
Speaker 1: I bounce up.
Speaker 2: I don't go sit for a second and drink some coffee.
Speaker 2: We got stuff to do.
Speaker 1: That's just me.
Speaker 3: I think everyone's feeling my pain nor Sunday morning, Saturday morning,
Speaker 3: I wake up alone.
Speaker 2: I hate when you describe your relationship with me as
Speaker 2: something being in pain. I knew as you were getting
Speaker 2: at but it still stings.
Speaker 1: A little bit.
Speaker 3: I love you, baby.
Speaker 2: But the circadian rhythm, you're twelve minutes behind. So let's say, Robes,
Speaker 2: you get up at the sun rises at seven, your
Speaker 2: body is still at about six forty five. The clock
Speaker 2: gets later, Robes, So what if it doesn't the sun
Speaker 2: doesn't rise until seven thirty, you're still behind. Doesn't rise
Speaker 2: until eight, you're still behind. You need that light. You
Speaker 2: need that thing to kick in and start you to
Speaker 2: get going. If you don't have that, robes is why
Speaker 2: you see people sometimes at work at ten o'clock, like,
Speaker 2: what the hell is wrong with you?
Speaker 1: And they're still grogging and dragging the clock is off.
Speaker 1: It's a re wow thing.
Speaker 2: So we are every single day waking up behind. We're
Speaker 2: behind schedule, and we're trying to catch up. And the
Speaker 2: later it is that it's dark, the longer it takes
Speaker 2: us to catch up.
Speaker 3: That makes absolutely makes sense. Makes I just don't understand
Speaker 3: why we haven't heard more from doctors and scientists. And
Speaker 3: I actually think if people are presented with all of
Speaker 3: this scientific evidence, it's kind of an easy call. Look,
Speaker 3: I actually am just for not having a switch. I
Speaker 3: don't like the switch. I've never liked it. It irritates me.
Speaker 3: I've never fully understood. I've heard all the reasonings from
Speaker 3: the school bus you know stops being dark, to this
Speaker 3: was made for farmers and so farm workers could have
Speaker 3: light when they were working in the fields. I've heard
Speaker 3: all of it, but I just felt like in present day,
Speaker 3: none of it really made sense, and so I appreciate this,
Speaker 3: and I could absolutely get behind keeping it to standard time.
Speaker 3: I just I'm against the switch.
Speaker 2: Isn't this Isn't this go in line with how we
Speaker 2: always sometimes we miss the point in public debate and
Speaker 2: in conversations rose because we needed to be in click
Speaker 2: baity form, in short, social media digestion.
Speaker 3: Form, and we lead with emotion, yes, and personal.
Speaker 2: It's personal people, and it's hard to get somebody around
Speaker 2: what I'm just saying ropes. It took us thirty minutes
Speaker 2: here to explain, to go through it all, to have
Speaker 2: a conversation about it, and most people just see a
Speaker 2: headline they're getting rid of daylight or getting rid of
Speaker 2: the switch.
Speaker 1: Awesome. I hate having to switch to my clox. That sucks.
Speaker 1: I want more light at night, and yeah, I love that.
Speaker 2: And then when December comes around and you're living in
Speaker 2: Atlanta and it's nine point fifteen in the morning and
Speaker 2: it's still dark, you go, what the actual hell is happening?
Speaker 2: Why do I feel like this right? It's not until
Speaker 2: you go through it. So maybe we do need to
Speaker 2: go through the exercise, But I'd hate for us to
Speaker 2: go through the exercise ropes and go to permanent daylight
Speaker 2: saving time, and they go, oh, we messed up. It
Speaker 2: should have been permanent day permanent standard time, and then
Speaker 2: have to switch back to that.
Speaker 3: But then if we switch back to that and then
Speaker 3: we just stayed there, I'd be cool with that.
Speaker 1: That'd be a tough transition.
Speaker 3: One time, they one time, and then we don't have
Speaker 3: to switch again, whatever it takes. I'm just against the switch.
Speaker 2: Last thing I'll give you here is just the polling
Speaker 2: where we are Gallop last year Gallup polling, fifty four
Speaker 2: percent are in favor of specifically permanent daylight.
Speaker 3: Saving Okay, I mean that reads that's a.
Speaker 1: Little closer than I.
Speaker 3: Not overwhelming compared to what it was in nineteen seventy three.
Speaker 3: You're right, that is not as big of a push publicly.
Speaker 3: Which is so interesting to me that Congress was so
Speaker 3: quick to or at least the House, not Congress, but
Speaker 3: the House was so quick to pass it so overwhelmingly
Speaker 3: so when their constituents aren't necessarily overwhelmingly behind.
Speaker 2: Why this is why, now, young ladies from Florida, I
Speaker 2: said the young lady, the congresswoman's from Florida, and they
Speaker 2: have issues there with I mean, she's looking at for
Speaker 2: her constituents when it comes to I mean tourism, people.
Speaker 1: Being down there, hanging out, being outside all the time.
Speaker 1: That kind of makes us make it. I can see
Speaker 1: that it might not.
Speaker 2: Work for everybody, but only forty percent Robes were against that,
Speaker 2: fifty four to forty percent. I just wanted to throw
Speaker 2: this in there for shits and giggles. Democrats versus Republicans.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is.
Speaker 3: That's weird.
Speaker 1: It's weird, isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Forty four percent of Democrats are in favor of
Speaker 3: permanent daylight saving time. Only thirty four percent of Republicans are.
Speaker 3: That's bizarre. I wouldn't think that would split along party lines.
Speaker 3: But okay, and then this is interesting. Fifty three percent
Speaker 3: of lower income Americans are for keeping it permanent, thirty
Speaker 3: five percent of middle income Americans are for keeping it,
Speaker 3: and thirty three percent of higher income So that's I
Speaker 3: don't understand that.
Speaker 1: Either, I don't know, Robes.
Speaker 2: This was I was kind of almost dismissive of this,
Speaker 2: or roll my eyes or when you start looking into it, Robes,
Speaker 2: there's so much that's in a headline or in that
Speaker 2: clickbaity headline or something on social media. There is more there,
Speaker 2: and this is important. It's just too bad the conversation
Speaker 2: around it doesn't make it sound important.
Speaker 1: It just everybody said, yeah, me, even the president, this
Speaker 1: is ridiculous. Only a fool with.
Speaker 3: It like this against sunshine.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's dismissive of a significant policy debate that could
Speaker 2: actually impact every single American but certainly impact millions of
Speaker 2: Americans health.
Speaker 1: We should talk about a little more seriously.
Speaker 3: Then, I agree, we do. I agree.
Speaker 2: Where are you now that we've Now that we've gone
Speaker 2: through the conversation, where are you on daylight.
Speaker 3: I'm fine if it's daylight saving time or if it's
Speaker 3: standard time, just end the switch.
Speaker 2: Okay, for your for the sake of your relationship. What
Speaker 2: do you think would work better?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: You want the sun to rise later?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: It doesn't I'm up at three, It doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: We get up before the sunrise, no matter what, whether
Speaker 3: it's daylight saving or standard time, we're up before the sunrise.
Speaker 2: Well, however, you all do it, which camp you're in,
Speaker 2: just please when you do have the conversation just know
Speaker 2: there is more to it than just setting some clocks,
Speaker 2: hitting us anooze button, and dropping the kids off at
Speaker 2: the bus stop. There is a lot more to this,
Speaker 2: So I thought it was a fun one able to
Speaker 2: talk about this.
Speaker 1: In a way on.
Speaker 2: A way to talk about this now, Robes. I am
Speaker 2: so appreciative that we have where we are. We can
Speaker 2: have conversations a lot differently than we did.
Speaker 3: Yes, we can actually put in some perspective and some
Speaker 3: careful opinion just based on experience. But I think it's
Speaker 3: something that resonates with everyone because we've all we all
Speaker 3: experienced the impact and the effects of that switch. So
Speaker 3: we'll see what the Senate does, but it's probably not
Speaker 3: going anywhere, So get ready November first, going back to
Speaker 3: standard time, everybody.
Speaker 1: We'll see what happens. Sorry, appreciate Joel as always, See
Speaker 1: you soon, see soon, see soon, see you soon. I said,
Speaker 1: see you soon. Yeah, okay, Sorry, see y'all. Not get
Speaker 1: enough sleep the kitchen na k