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Speaker 1: now live in Ohio. All right, Sean Payton headed to

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Speaker 1: the Denver Broncos. So this has been a long back

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Speaker 1: and forth between Sean Payton and Denver. So I talked

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Speaker 1: to Sean after he was on my show yesterday. So

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Speaker 1: usually I talked to Sean for about five or six

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Speaker 1: minutes when he's off FS one with me, and we've

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Speaker 1: been talking about this, private conversations about where he's going,

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Speaker 1: where he's not. And so I went to dinner with Sean,

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Speaker 1: spent about four and a half hours with him. A

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, he very much liked the Broncos ownership.

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Speaker 1: His concerns were lack of cat flexibility and Russell Wilson's

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Speaker 1: process a little disconnected from younger players. He was concerned

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Speaker 1: about it. I shared that with you when you get

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Speaker 1: into a situation like this. These new owners were going

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Speaker 1: to reset the coaching salary market. So Sean Payton liked Fox.

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton would have stayed at Fox, and Sean and

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Speaker 1: I talked a lot about this. In fact, we talked

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Speaker 1: about this after the show Monday. The things he worried

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Speaker 1: about were always the same, cat flexibility and let's get

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson to get back to playing Russell Wilson style,

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Speaker 1: which is almost basketball style quarterback move the pocket, move

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Speaker 1: a lot instinctive. He's one of the better guys that

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Speaker 1: we've ever seen do that right. So I'm not going

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Speaker 1: to go into the Adam Schefter Ian Rappaport space. They're

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Speaker 1: going back and forth on whose job this was and

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Speaker 1: whose job it wasn't. I was told very early that

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Speaker 1: Denver really liked Sean and it was Sean's job to lose. Now,

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Speaker 1: money is a big component to any great job. The

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Speaker 1: more risk, the more money any coach would want. I

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Speaker 1: do not think, and I said this before, I think

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Speaker 1: you need an offensive coach in Denver. I don't think

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Speaker 1: Damiko Ryan's as talented as he is. You got to

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Speaker 1: figure out the Russell Wilson piece. I thought Hardball was

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Speaker 1: a good fit, and I thought Sean Payton was a

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Speaker 1: good fit. I thought you needed, after backet, a proven

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Speaker 1: So Harbon and Peyton were really good choices. So you know,

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Speaker 1: when I had talked to Sean over the course of

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Speaker 1: the last several weeks, he was always interested, always thought

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Speaker 1: it was great. But there are gambles here. It's not simple.

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Speaker 1: Everybody in the internet wants to make everything simple. Let

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Speaker 1: me tell you something. When you start talking about the

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Speaker 1: salary involved here and the components in place, it's complicated.

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Speaker 1: Big time agents, billionaire owners. Sean Payton's high profile, he

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Speaker 1: had a lot of leverage. I love Jim Harbaugh, but

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Speaker 1: he's a lot and wants a lot of control, and

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Speaker 1: Sean doesn't necessarily need that personnel control would like an opinion,

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Speaker 1: doesn't need as much control. So what I was told

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Speaker 1: is the Bronco owners like that very much, but jobs

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Speaker 1: like this are complicated. Initially I thought it was Sean's

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Speaker 1: be great. But what if they don't land Derek Carr

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Speaker 1: This went back and forth. In fact, one of the

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Speaker 1: Then Sean gave Carolina kind of the word, I'm not

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Speaker 1: not simple. The division's tough. Mahomes is amazing. Herbert now

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Speaker 1: I think in the end, the Broncos had to hit

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Speaker 1: Sean Payton's just too good not to be coaching. I

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Speaker 1: think I've ever learned more. There are so many parts

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Speaker 1: it's much easier to move off a coach Cliff Kingsbury

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Speaker 1: So you know, Mike, I spent five hours one night

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Speaker 1: great column. I read that was a great column. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, I know what it's like. I believe

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Speaker 1: in my abilities, you know, probably to a ridiculous degree

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Speaker 1: at times. And if you're Kyle Shanahan, you're like, oh, man,

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Speaker 1: I know it costs a lot. But if I get

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Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey and I put him in my offense, and

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Speaker 1: I like, it's gonna be insane. So you, I think

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Speaker 1: you want your coach to have that streak. So look,

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Speaker 1: I've known Sean Payton since the early days and I

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Speaker 1: love him. And one reason I do is because he

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Speaker 1: believes that Sean Payton is really really good at this.

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Speaker 1: So in a way, I think you're like, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: can do that. And by the way, like there might

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Speaker 1: be more attractiveness because everyone thinks it's a bad job

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Speaker 1: and everyone thinks Russell can't be salvaged. And if you

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Speaker 1: struggle at first, people might give you a little bit

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Speaker 1: of elite, you know, a little bit of leeway there.

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Speaker 1: But if you don't and you come in and you know,

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Speaker 1: make the playoffs next year, people are gonna go Sean Payton, man,

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Speaker 1: look what he did, you know, and dun Peterson just

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Speaker 1: kind of did it. He had an easy division. But

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Speaker 1: you know, Sean Payton is one of the absolute best

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Speaker 1: in the world at what he does, and he knows

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Speaker 1: it and his knowledge of that is part of what

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00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,040
Speaker 1: makes him who he is, and that's what you're paying. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And I felt I said this early that I thought

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Speaker 1: this was a job for an offensive coach. Like an example,

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Speaker 1: I think Brian Larez is kind of a fascinating hire

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Speaker 1: in Arizona Special Team's defense in Miami got good in

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Speaker 1: a week. And he's an ass kicker. He won't take

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Speaker 1: He's an alpha, he won't take any Kyler stuff. But

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Speaker 1: Mike and I've been on this for a year and

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Speaker 1: it's tedious to the audience. But the league is changing.

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Speaker 1: Belichick struggling now. Andy Reid is the new Belichick. And

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Speaker 1: this job, the defense is so talented. You can get

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Speaker 1: a good coordinator. I think you got a massage the

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Speaker 1: Russell piece. I think it needed. And this is not

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Speaker 1: a shot at Demiko. I think it needed a veteran

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Speaker 1: offensive coach who was dealt with drama, with quarterbacks, with coordinators.

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Speaker 1: This is a solvable job, but Mike, it's a hard job, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And going back to the floors thing. Okay, So, first

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Speaker 1: of all, you and I have talked about this publicly

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Speaker 1: and private. Brian Flores did not get fired because he

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Speaker 1: was not doing a good job as a coach. He

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Speaker 1: got fired because of interpersonal abrasiveness, really, and he was

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Speaker 1: not getting along with a lot of people, including first

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Speaker 1: and foremost his incumbent quarterbacks, who we saw with a

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Speaker 1: little love this year. And yeah, gobatock brilliance was a

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Speaker 1: lot different. So I'm a little scared when you say that.

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Speaker 1: I yet why And look, first of all, I want

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Speaker 1: Brian Floors to get another job at some point. I

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Speaker 1: do believe there's system of racism and hiring practices, and

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Speaker 1: you know, he had the guts to to you know, Sue,

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Speaker 1: and I hope that that is not factriged to whether

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Speaker 1: he gets an their job. I'd be happy for him.

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, man, it's the same thing. It's

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Speaker 1: like the Broncos can't just say we goofed on Russell goodbye.

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Speaker 1: Yet at least the Cardinals can't do that with Kyler

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Speaker 1: and given Brian floors track record. If two like I agree,

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Speaker 1: you want to draw the line and start changing the paradigm.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, Sean Payne's gonna do the same

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Speaker 1: thing with Russell. Shohn's gonna be like he't rust that

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Speaker 1: sixth person team that follows you around the facility. They're gone, buddy.

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Speaker 1: And you know how, you have a bigger office than

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Speaker 1: I do. Let's either switch or I'm giving that office

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Speaker 1: to you know whoever. So that's going to happen. But

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think Sean has great people skills and

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Speaker 1: will get that done. And Russell will have, you know,

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Speaker 1: the emotional intelligence to take it in the spirit it's intended.

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Speaker 1: If Bryan Flores comes in and starts, you know, treating

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Speaker 1: Kyler like dirt. That look, you paid Kyler. You tried

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Speaker 1: to put a close in his contract that made him

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Speaker 1: look like a twelve year old, and then actually backed

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Speaker 1: off even worse, you acknowledge that he doesn't study enough.

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Speaker 1: In your eyes, then it looked terrible because you tried

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Speaker 1: to put it in the contract. And then you're like, fine, fine,

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Speaker 1: don't even study, but here's all the money. He's injured

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Speaker 1: and speed is part of what makes him great. And

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Speaker 1: you know now you're gonna bring in someone who's like, hey, Kyler, man,

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Speaker 1: we don't like your act at all, and you either

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Speaker 1: get with it or that might not be the best

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Speaker 1: thing organizationally either. I think the Cardinals have to treat

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Speaker 1: Kyler unfortunately for them, the way the Broncos have to

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Speaker 1: treat Russell right now. Make it work in the short term,

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Speaker 1: and if you're Sean Payton, you have the credibility to

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Speaker 1: get Russell to buy in. If you are Brian Flores

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Speaker 1: and Kyler's not Russell either, I think that scares me

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Speaker 1: a little bit. And again I'm not saying Brian Flores

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Speaker 1: is a really good head coach. Hope he gets another job.

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Speaker 1: They'll deserve it. That particular one scares me a little.

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Speaker 1: So one of the things that is a reality and

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Speaker 1: I pushed against and maybe because I haven't been offered

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Speaker 1: this level of money, but sometimes you just get offered

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Speaker 1: money you can't say no to. And um, you know,

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Speaker 1: we've seen coaches take jobs and I've seen actors do movies.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, this is absurd. What are you And then

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Speaker 1: you see the you see the price tag and you're like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: I get it. I understand it. So I believe that

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Speaker 1: what the Broncos page Sean Payton, and this is why

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Speaker 1: hardball came in again. I think I think Sean liked

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Speaker 1: working in television and new next year, you've got two

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Speaker 1: great college quarterbacks who are both guys that can start

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Speaker 1: I think in the end, and it won't come out

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Speaker 1: maybe for a while. Could this just have been you know,

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Speaker 1: twenty five million a year? I'll figure it out, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean that you know there's always a number for sure,

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Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean I don't know exactly how it

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Speaker 1: played out again, because we saw we saw the public

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Speaker 1: facing part of it and the owners, the new owners

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Speaker 1: were looking like amateurs. They have some It's a it's

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Speaker 1: a less attractive job in some ways, along with the

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Speaker 1: fact that it gets even less attractive if you have

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Speaker 1: to give up a one and a two when you're

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Speaker 1: already strapped to hire this specific person. What is their

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Speaker 1: strength that they could offer. We are so rich that

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Speaker 1: when you hear the numbers like that, what we hear

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Speaker 1: is Yea'll take fries with that. Go back to my

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Speaker 1: Burger analogy. I mean, it's just not the way that

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Speaker 1: you know, a norrable human would think of it. Now,

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00:33:56,560 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: we saw Temper do that in North Carolina, and yeah,

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00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 1: that ruffled the feathers of the billionaires club. He was

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Speaker 1: joining whatever. But I think the problem is that he

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Speaker 1: did it with Matt Rule, who it turned out, was

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Speaker 1: not a you know, a guy who could come into

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00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 1: the NFL, snap his fingers and make it awesome. But

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00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,960
Speaker 1: Sean Payton's as close to that as what we have right,

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Speaker 1: He's as close to you could put him in an

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00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: NFL context and have a very strong belief that he's

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00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 1: going to succeed. Danny Ainge made a career Boston and

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Speaker 1: l Utah Jazz finding desperate people, kg to the Brooklyn deal,

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00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: the Rudy Gobert, the t Wolf steal, which got like

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00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: nine different pieces. Belichick in his prime made a lot

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Speaker 1: of deals with the Browns and the poorly run Bills

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00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: and Dolphins who are poorly run anymore? Right? Is that?

558
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 1: Like they always say that the best hitters in baseball

559
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: get a majority of their hits up the three and

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00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: four starters, not the aces, right, And so I don't

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Speaker 1: know if Aaron Rodgers is a great fit with the Jets,

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Speaker 1: but well run organizations have a history of finding desperate

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Speaker 1: trading partners. And I look at the very stable Packers

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Speaker 1: with Aaron Rodgers. Robert Sale's got to win, Joe Douglas

565
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,160
Speaker 1: gotta win. The owners have a history of reaching, and

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Speaker 1: I look at that and I think Nathaniel Hackett needs

567
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Speaker 1: to rebuild his reputation with the guy who helped him

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Speaker 1: get there. That's where Aaron to the Jets, a stable

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Speaker 1: organization that's ready to move off, I can ship him

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Speaker 1: over there. It does feel like you could get the

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, they've got some good young players for

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Speaker 1: the Jets. They need a left tackling a quarterback. I

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Speaker 1: can see him saying, here's a one to two and

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Speaker 1: a one and Green Bay going that's where that one

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00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 1: feels kind of possible. And I could I could see

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Speaker 1: all that, and I could see Aaron going, uh, like

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Speaker 1: the Niners. So I'm sorry that you won't be getting

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Speaker 1: the one two in a one, but I will retire

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Speaker 1: if you do not stupid trade. But if you trade

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Speaker 1: me to the Niners, for hold on, let me text

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00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: John Lynch a three and a conditional two. If I

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00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: you know whatever, I will make the money right and

583
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: you'll be able to move on rebuild. But yeah, I

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00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,760
Speaker 1: know you're right. So that's what that's what's always fascinating.

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00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 1: You know, fans understandably live in this fantasy football like

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00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: reality where it's like, why can't we just do that,

587
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: We'll trade this for this, or you know it's like

588
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: Derek Carr, well, you know they're not going to send

589
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: them there? Why why would they cut them? And we

590
00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: always forget that, you know, the money and the cap

591
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: and the players other leverage points like I don't like

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00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 1: you or I don't want to play for you, especially

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00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 1: when they're old enough to walk away, you know, those

594
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: are going to factor into and as you know, Callum,

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00:37:22,120 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: these conversations are all going on unofficially. You know, there's

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00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: players are figuring out their markets, Teams are figuring out

597
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: what's possible. Agents and coaches and general managers and players

598
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 1: are all having conversations that will coalesce at the combine,

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00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: if not before, when everyone's in person and drinking, and

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00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 1: there'll be media people involved as well, not not too

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00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 1: many of us, A lot of people who act like

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00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:55,879
Speaker 1: they will, but a few of us will actually be

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00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: in those rooms and you know we might be drinking two. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I just think it's something, you know, Aaron. I

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00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,720
Speaker 1: don't think Aaron wants to retire, but when you start

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00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: talking about it, you're at least considering it. I do

607
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 1: think Aaron wants to take that last one hundred million,

608
00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: and he's still really really good. I know he still is.

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00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:27,399
Speaker 1: I contend that Titans make sense because he's never had

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Speaker 1: a consistent great defense and a great consistent run game,

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Speaker 1: and he'd have both in a wonky division. Do you

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00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 1: buy the Titans and Aaron at all? I think he

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00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 1: liked I think Vrabels his kind of guy. Uh in

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00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: a way. Yeah, I could see that will go it

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00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: either way. Yeah. I mean, look like, you know, if

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Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers plays like he did in twenty twenty, man

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00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,359
Speaker 1: Bill Belichick would be like, Hey, you know that uh

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Speaker 1: you know that podcast you do every week with Pat

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Speaker 1: mc fee where you just say whatever you want and

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00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 1: the lot pressure on the organization. Yeah, you know it's okay.

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Speaker 1: I just keep doing it because you're so good. But

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Speaker 1: if you're playing like Aaron Rodgers of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: I think Mike Vrabel and a lot of other coaches

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00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: would be like yo yo yo, like not like what

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00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: he says on a podcast is that big a deal?

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00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: Just just an example, but I think you know Aaron

627
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 1: is Aaron's gonna be high maintenance. Tom in many ways

628
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 1: is going to be high maintenance. And I think again,

629
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Speaker 1: people with strong senses of self attract each other. So

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Speaker 1: you would say, on paper, with Kyle Shanahan, who wants

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Speaker 1: everything to be done his way, and Tom Brady, who

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Speaker 1: likes a lot of control at the line, or Aaron Rodgers,

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Speaker 1: who likes full control at the line, possibly be able

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Speaker 1: to coexist. They're philosophically so unaligned in terms of how

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Speaker 1: they view the way the offense should could ducked itself.

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Speaker 1: I feel like Kyle Shanna gets in a room with

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Speaker 1: one of those guys that they're both like, dude, I

638
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: you are so amazing to play quarterback. Dude. I love

639
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Speaker 1: the way you call a game, like, we'll figure it

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Speaker 1: out and it Sometimes that ends up being hard and

641
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:22,359
Speaker 1: sometimes it doesn't. But I think people with a lot

642
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Speaker 1: of faith of their own abilities are more likely to

643
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Speaker 1: embrace challenges that other people would go, oh, that's too much,

644
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,600
Speaker 1: and they're more likely to want to do it together

645
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: because they you know, they view themselves as rare and

646
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Speaker 1: they're attracted room. Yeah, when I started in this business,

647
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: opinion was rare. When I first started in this business,

648
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: there was no national sports talk radio. Rome was the

649
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: first to make it. And then now it's exploded. Opinion

650
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: now dominates cable TV. Opinion is where the money is.

651
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: A I was a local sportscaster and I had a

652
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: fine career as a local sportscaster. But when opinion became

653
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 1: more influential, driving revenue and ratings, my career explode. I

654
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: didn't get more talented, I got more opportunities. So Andy

655
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:28,600
Speaker 1: Reid enter this league when you could grab his receivers.

656
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: His receivers could be crushed over the fielding, you could

657
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: drive his quarterbacks into the turf. They were always hurt.

658
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: And then it changed. Then the league, due to safety

659
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: CTE safety regulations, has now given all the rules not

660
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 1: to Belichick's side, to Andy's side, and to Andy. Andy

661
00:41:57,239 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: was always always as good or better than Belichick, but

662
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 1: his industry was built against him. And now finally there's

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Speaker 1: even footing or advantage Andy, and he is separating from Belichick. Well, listen,

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Speaker 1: I do think that where I'll give Belichick credit is

665
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 1: I do think he has a better grasp on the

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00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: coaching minuchet that drives me nuts, the clock management, the

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00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: challenge stuff in a way that Andy still struggles with

668
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Speaker 1: at times. But holistically, I think it's one hundred percent correct.

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Speaker 1: And I had on Thursday, I had Mahomes on the

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Speaker 1: TV show, and I kept every time I talked about

671
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs being disrespected, the Chiefs, super Bowl window, any

672
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: of these things. Now and listen, he's a brand, and

673
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: he knows, you know, how to handle himself. His love

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00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 1: for Andy Reid popped off the screen. He said, when

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Speaker 1: I asked him, did it seem like the national media

676
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: was ready to turn the page from the Chiefs and

677
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: love the Bills or the Bengals or the Chargers prematurely.

678
00:43:06,480 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 1: What he said was, I think as long as we

679
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Speaker 1: have Andy Reid, we should be the favorites like that,

680
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: and so he that relationship there. Andy's, by the way,

681
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: not a young man anymore. And no one our mutual

682
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: friend Danny Parkins made this point. I think it was smart.

683
00:43:22,920 --> 00:43:27,320
Speaker 1: He said, no one is discussing is Andy Reid retiring

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Speaker 1: if they win this Super Bowl. He's obviously dealt with

685
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: personal tragedy. You know, he's done it. He's a Hall

686
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 1: of Famer all these things. And what Danny's point was is,

687
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 1: and it's because everyone's like, why would he retire? He

688
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,239
Speaker 1: is Patrick Mahomes. They're going to continue to dominate. He

689
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 1: can climb. He's three wins away Colin from being fourth

690
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 1: all time in regular season wins. He's already now second

691
00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 1: all time in playoff wins. He's going to have a

692
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Speaker 1: claim as the second greatest coach of this era of football.

693
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 1: I think he already has that claim. And I think

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Speaker 1: your point is, what if the Chiefs win three of

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Speaker 1: the next five and then he walks out the door.

696
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: Can you make the case he's the best, Like, it's

697
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting. It's at least going to be on

698
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: the board if he ends with four and Belichick has six,

699
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 1: but especially if the Patriots never pop back up, because

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Speaker 1: I know what people people can say, Well, Andy had Mahomes, Yes,

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Speaker 1: but Andy made five conference championship games in Philadelphia without

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00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: a Hall of Fame quarterback, with a good quarterback, without

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Speaker 1: an accurate quarterback. Yeah, I mean McNabb was not a

704
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: bad quarterback, but he was not a Hall of Fame

705
00:44:50,280 --> 00:44:54,200
Speaker 1: level player, and he made five NFC championship games. There

706
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: might have been six. I think it's five. But it

707
00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:05,319
Speaker 1: is interesting is that sometimes cultures change and opportunities present themselves,

708
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: and people don't suddenly just get talented at fifty. Let's

709
00:45:13,000 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 1: be honest, you flourish in the opinion space, could you

710
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't be as effective as a local sports anchor,

711
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: all right. I got caught from the Syracuse college radio

712
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 1: station trying to do play by play because I couldn't

713
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 1: the at war that before you can even try to

714
00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: do play by play, you have to do a ninety

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00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,799
Speaker 1: second sports update, like you know what they used to

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Speaker 1: do on local radio station. Yes, yeah, yeah, Colin. I

717
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: came in twice a week, ninety minutes each time, for

718
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: three semesters a year and a half, trying to get

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Speaker 1: cleared to do ninety second sports updates at a college

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Speaker 1: radio station. And then God love him, the guy who's

721
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: now the voice of the Las Vegas Raiders, Jason Horowitz,

722
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:07,960
Speaker 1: had to call me. It was like, buddy, you're a

723
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 1: second semester sophomore, and you're not even the first step.

724
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 1: We gotta you, gotta go. You're not. I got cut

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00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 1: from my college radio state because oh I was. I mean,

726
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:21,600
Speaker 1: it's the whole reason I went there. So the whole

727
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: reason I went there. But I was fortunate in that

728
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: I was already working on the talk show staff and

729
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 1: I then just grab and I was kind of realizing, like, man,

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Speaker 1: I thought I wanted to do growing up. I thought

731
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:36,279
Speaker 1: I want to do play by play, but what I

732
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 1: wanted to do was color commentary. I would watch the

733
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 1: NBA on NBC with with Costas and Walton and Steve

734
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: Snapper Jones, and what I wanted to do was the

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Speaker 1: color But I didn't realize you can't do that unless

736
00:46:49,120 --> 00:46:51,320
Speaker 1: you're a former player or former coach. They're not hiring

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00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: me color commentary. But then you know, they did hire

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Speaker 1: Dennis Miller briefly like they hired Kornheiser. So I was like,

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00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: oh maybe at some point um so no, I was.

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Speaker 1: I was crushed, but I didn't. It made me fully

741
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 1: pivot to talk show and you know, little humble Bragg

742
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: here now at War the talk show studio is named

743
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: after me and my pictures on the wall. I'm a

744
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer there. That's true. Story Marv Albert, Bob Costas,

745
00:47:19,520 --> 00:47:23,959
Speaker 1: Nick Wright are the three studios there. That's true and so.

746
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 1: But the point is I'm not a great broadcast. I'm

747
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:33,160
Speaker 1: I have a like a traditional broadcaster, you know what

748
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 1: I mean. I can't read off a teleprompter. I'm not

749
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: good at like I have a nasal. But there is

750
00:47:38,360 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: a specific thing I can do, which is confidently argue no,

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00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, one on one with my wife

752
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: or in front of a million people. Well, also, you're entertaining.

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00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: In my preamble I talked about this. Charles Barkley doesn't

754
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: watch the league he broadcasts. He literally doesn't know ninety

755
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:04,280
Speaker 1: percent of the players. He's entertaining nobody, wildly entertaining the audience.

756
00:48:05,120 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 1: They don't care, nobody cares the entertainment business that we're in.

757
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 1: And then you get extra credit for being right and

758
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,120
Speaker 1: smart and all these things. But what a lot of

759
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: I think broadcasters don't understand is this, the perfect storm

760
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 1: is entertaining, smart, funny, correct analysis. Right. That's like you.

761
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: If you could check every box, that would be it.

762
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: You can get away with. You can even thrive if

763
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: you're with your picks, always being wrong, with your analysis,

764
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:46,640
Speaker 1: always being off, as long as you're entertaining and captivating,

765
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 1: if you could be right on every prediction, know the

766
00:48:53,239 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: name of every player. And there's a few broadcasters you

767
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 1: and I both know we don't have name names that

768
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: are like this, that are buttoned up on every briefing,

769
00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: and they're boring. But if you're if you're boring and

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00:49:04,640 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: don't captivate the audience, you're drawn dead. Ye're just flatly

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Speaker 1: drawn dead. Years ago, there was a guy named Pete

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00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: Jennescini at ESPN. Guy. Yeah yeah, yeah, really nice guy.

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00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: And when I got to ESPN, they didn't they weren't

774
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: doing radio very well, and they brought in a guy

775
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: named Bruce Gilbert to kind of fix Mike and Mike

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00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: there was a big vote whether to keep him or

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00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 1: not when I first got there, and it was like

778
00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: nine people voted five to four keep them. Wow. So

779
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 1: Bruce Gilbert came in to fix them and hire somebody

780
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: to replace Kornheiser when that was that was the guy.

781
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: And Pete's a really good guy and real smart guy.

782
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,520
Speaker 1: But we had a discussion one time and he said

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Speaker 1: the number one the number one thing at ESPN is

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00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: to be informative. And I said, Pete, it's number two.

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00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: I said, I've watched you either demote or get rid

786
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,760
Speaker 1: of really informative people this company. He has never gotten

787
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 1: rid of somebody that's funny on the air and enter entertaining.

788
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:07,839
Speaker 1: Ever ever they may leave you, you don't get rid

789
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: of them. I've watched you not promote people who are informative.

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Speaker 1: I said, we Radio TV is the entertainment business. Remember

791
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: when Barbara Walters was a journalist and she was doing

792
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,240
Speaker 1: twenty twenty and she was doing sit Down Kushey interviews

793
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 1: with Johnny Carson and Steven Spielberg. That was the entertainment division.

794
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 1: It was the highest rated thing she did. That's why

795
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: Barbara Walters made a fortune not because of her journalism,

796
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: because she would do these sit down interviews that got

797
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Speaker 1: massive ratings, and they were that was part of the

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Speaker 1: entertainment budget. And so when I had this this discussion

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Speaker 1: with Pete who again this is not a criticism, and

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Speaker 1: I just said, Pete, I'm watching what the company does

801
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 1: you promote really entertaining people. The messaging is be entertainment.

802
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:04,040
Speaker 1: Well listen, and for me that was listen. That took

803
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 1: me a long time to grasp on television because I

804
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,359
Speaker 1: figured out radio. I'd figured out how to do like

805
00:51:12,400 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 1: the radio show exactly the way I needed to. And

806
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 1: then when I got on TV, I think the first

807
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: year maybe I thought the job was to always have

808
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,480
Speaker 1: all the answers, to have my you know what I mean,

809
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 1: to have the facts exactly right, to have to never

810
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: to never be wrong, you know what I mean, to

811
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Speaker 1: always and what I'm you know. I've now done the

812
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 1: show five and a half years, by a country mile.

813
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,279
Speaker 1: The most successful version of the show I've ever done

814
00:51:45,360 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 1: is the one I'm doing right now this moment with

815
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 1: Wilds and Bruce Arry. It's the funniest, it's the funniest

816
00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: and That's why now I still it's not like I

817
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: had forgotten that info. I still have the info available

818
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 1: to me, but I am not out there. I used

819
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,960
Speaker 1: to approach the TV show with the perspective of I

820
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,799
Speaker 1: have to I have to prove how smart I am

821
00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:10,280
Speaker 1: to the audience every single day, and now I approach

822
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,759
Speaker 1: it as our entire goal is to put on a

823
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: show that people smile while they're watching. You know what

824
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:20,080
Speaker 1: I mean, That people smile while they're watching and have

825
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 1: a good time, and that has enough meet to it

826
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Speaker 1: to where it's not all empty calories. There's got to

827
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: be the information, there's got to be the analysis, but

828
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,480
Speaker 1: there's also got to be a lot of bells and

829
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: whistles and funny stuff, and you know what I mean,

830
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: guys messing with each other and that's what works. And

831
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. That took me a while

832
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Speaker 1: to figure out because people, you know, when I first started,

833
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 1: they would say to me, the best version of you

834
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Speaker 1: is when you're on with Colin. They're like, can you

835
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 1: can you try to be more of that on First

836
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Speaker 1: Things First? And I think part of it I was like, well,

837
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Speaker 1: I get up for First Things First at three thirty,

838
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: so I don't know. Oh, I'm not certain. But the

839
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Speaker 1: other thing was especially early in our relationship and I

840
00:53:14,160 --> 00:53:17,640
Speaker 1: still do it, but especially early in our relationship, I

841
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 1: was really really trying to impress you, and I wanted

842
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: to make you laugh. Like every time I came on,

843
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,400
Speaker 1: I was like, it's successful if I make Colin lamb

844
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 1: and I didn't. I was too stupid to fucking realize

845
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Speaker 1: I should just be trying to make the audience laugh too,

846
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 1: and I have to get out there and like to

847
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:38,239
Speaker 1: tell jokes. But the saint, you know, and so, but

848
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:41,000
Speaker 1: that was the best version of me at the time,

849
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: was because I wasn't trying. I felt like you knew

850
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 1: I was smart, so I wasn't trying to prove it

851
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 1: to yet, right, so you know what I mean. So

852
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: I could just kind of be the best version of myself.

853
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 1: And that's what works. That's what works in this business.

854
00:53:54,560 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: You go across the networks. I'll give credit to the

855
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,400
Speaker 1: other network, even though this show happens to be up

856
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 1: against mine. One point. A show that I think really

857
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: works on the other network is NFL Live because those

858
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:08,520
Speaker 1: people like each other and they're fun together and they

859
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,680
Speaker 1: bust each other's chops and they have real info, you

860
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like that show whenever I can't

861
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 1: watch it is all the same time. But the clips,

862
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 1: I'm like, Oh, they're fun. They're funny. That works. That

863
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,920
Speaker 1: always will work. People that get along, that are smart,

864
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: that know what they're talking about will always work. Well. Yeah,

865
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:27,840
Speaker 1: And I don't watch that show, but I know the

866
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 1: people on it and they're likable and they're fun. And

867
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:35,120
Speaker 1: this mug is from war the radio station that cut me.

868
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:39,360
Speaker 1: That's fun. They've sent it to me today. Hey listen,

869
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: you're fine, here's a mug. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right,

870
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: that's right. Um. So people think from time to time.

871
00:54:49,320 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: I don't like certain people. I don't like Russell Westbrook's

872
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 1: half court game. He's probably a wonderful guy, it drives

873
00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:02,480
Speaker 1: me crazy. I don't like, don't like the neediness of

874
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. I think he's a smart guy and a

875
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:11,680
Speaker 1: wonderful quarterback. But I do think about it that if

876
00:55:11,719 --> 00:55:14,080
Speaker 1: I ran into Aaron or Russell, they wouldn't like me,

877
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: and I totally get that. Andy Dalton once ran into

878
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 1: me and I called him the Beige water Pistol for

879
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:26,720
Speaker 1: a decade, and he was really really sweet. But Rogers

880
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:32,800
Speaker 1: is a fascinating person because he really does project a lot.

881
00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: He had another one this week when he said, you know,

882
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: apparently they're doing discussions. You know, I'm not involved, which

883
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:45,960
Speaker 1: is interesting, and I thought, it's interesting, Aaron, You're so smart,

884
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: but you lack a basic self awareness that you are

885
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:57,239
Speaker 1: projecting constantly, passive, aggressively. And it's why you know, I've

886
00:55:57,239 --> 00:56:01,640
Speaker 1: said this about Aaron. We give too much credit to talent.

887
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: What really separates Mahomes is his self awareness. He's so

888
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: eff and good at the podium. He is such a

889
00:56:10,080 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 1: good teammate. He almost never ever compliments himself. He goes

890
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 1: the talent thing. I think that Mahomes is gifted, but

891
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: I think when I talked to Sean Payton, I went

892
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,240
Speaker 1: to dinner with him, spent four hours with him. Sean

893
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:35,319
Speaker 1: Payton told me that they flew in to Lubbock or

894
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 1: whatever god forsaken town he played college football in. Yeah,

895
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 1: they wanted to draft him, but go ahead. After the workout,

896
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 1: they brought in information they thought would overwhelm him and

897
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:52,400
Speaker 1: would take three days. Within two hours, he had digested

898
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 1: it and was vomiting it out to them. He said,

899
00:56:56,680 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 1: it's the smartest player I'd ever interviewed. We got on

900
00:57:00,880 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: a plane, we told nobody we were there, and Sean

901
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:10,359
Speaker 1: said it was the greatest quarterback I'd ever worked out

902
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: or gone to a whiteboard, and that where Mahomes is underrated.

903
00:57:17,040 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: His ability to consume information, see things and let go

904
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:25,320
Speaker 1: of the ball instinctively is the greatest I've ever seen.

905
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: I think I think John Allen has a stronger arm.

906
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:32,160
Speaker 1: I think Lamar is faster. I think Kyler Murray is

907
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: almost more elusive. I think above the shoulders, Mahomes is

908
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 1: almost the performance artist. He's he's prince, he is, He's

909
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:47,960
Speaker 1: the world looks different. His dad was on I'll mentioned

910
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 1: second second Danny Parkins shout out. But his dad was

911
00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,720
Speaker 1: on Danny's radio show a couple days ago and said

912
00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: the Bear the reason Mahomes counted on his fingers when

913
00:57:55,760 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: he scored a tough sounding against the Bears was because

914
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,439
Speaker 1: the Bears told him were drafting you three and then

915
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: they trade it up for Trabisky and Mahomes was crushed

916
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: because you really wanted to go to Chicago. But in

917
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: that same interview, and I'd never heard anyone say this,

918
00:58:10,280 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 1: he said that Patrick has an identic memory, which I

919
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: just googled what that meant. Yes, and that you can

920
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: see something once and then always be able to pull

921
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:26,800
Speaker 1: it back, which I'd never heard someone say that about him.

922
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,880
Speaker 1: And maybe that's a dad, you know, embellishing about his kid.

923
00:58:29,880 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: I don't know, but if that's true or something close

924
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 1: to it, and what you know you're saying, Sean Payton

925
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 1: told you it does. Now all of a sudden you

926
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: have like so for let me give you a four instance.

927
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 1: Lebron has the highest basketball like you I've ever seen,

928
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: plus kind of the perfect body for basketball. If you

929
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 1: it's like, hey, I want to play twenty years in

930
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 1: the NBA. It's like, Okay, you're gonna have to be

931
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:04,920
Speaker 1: big enough to withstand injuries, you know what I mean,

932
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,000
Speaker 1: tall enough. It's like, okay, So when check check on

933
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 1: like a brain thing and a body thing that leads

934
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: you to this, right, Mahomes has the physical gifts of

935
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:19,680
Speaker 1: like the crazy arm angle stuff and the arm strength

936
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: from playing baseball. So that's like the physical stuff check

937
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 1: the memory thing that. Now we've had Sean Payton talk

938
00:59:26,800 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: about his dad talk about it feels like we have

939
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:35,800
Speaker 1: contemporary evidence from seeing how he plays. Ye, like, oh,

940
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: there might have been like two genetic lottery things where

941
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:43,120
Speaker 1: it's like the in the same way that Michael Phelps

942
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:47,080
Speaker 1: like has the webbed fingers, and it's like, oh, so

943
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 1: it's like, it's not just that you work so hard

944
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: in all these things, you also happen to be kind

945
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 1: of blessed specifically for this type of greatness. Yes, and

946
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: so because they're there is an element with Patrick and

947
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,640
Speaker 1: I think you want to tuck Rogers Rodgers too, but

948
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:13,920
Speaker 1: with Patrick of he can. He can, with the exception

949
01:00:13,960 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 1: of like a three week stretch during last season, he

950
01:00:17,560 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: can instantly figure out what the defense is doing and

951
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: within a half adjust if need be, in a way

952
01:00:26,520 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: that I've seen very few quarterbacks ever consistently be able

953
01:00:31,120 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: to do, and the only one that I've seen be

954
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 1: able to do it at this level is Manning, and

955
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: Manning's problem, I think problem is listening is one three

956
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 1: best quarterbacks ever. But for Peyton, what I think heard

957
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: him a bit was he had that ability and almost

958
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:53,919
Speaker 1: couldn't turn it off to where if guys weren't where

959
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:56,680
Speaker 1: they were supposed to be, or guys through he didn't

960
01:00:56,720 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: have the improvisational ability that Patrick has, which are as

961
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 1: good as anyone I've ever seen. Yeah, as good as

962
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: anyone I've ever seen. What do you think's going to

963
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: happen with Aaron? I think Green Bay ideally wants to

964
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:14,480
Speaker 1: send him to the Raiders because with Peyton and Russ

965
01:01:15,120 --> 01:01:19,480
Speaker 1: Herbert and Kellen Moore and Andy and Mahomes, he'll finish

966
01:01:19,480 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: in fourth place. And so if Jordan Love is bumpy initially,

967
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 1: which Aaron was in his first year, that you know,

968
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:30,640
Speaker 1: Minnesota's not going eleven and no one one score games,

969
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:35,200
Speaker 1: Chicago still awful, and Detroit still Detroit, although they're better that.

970
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:39,240
Speaker 1: I don't think they know quite yet what Jordan is.

971
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:42,160
Speaker 1: But if they can get another first round pick, address

972
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: their tight end situation edge rusher, and get supplemental picks

973
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: right that if the Jordan loves situations a little bumpy,

974
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 1: Aaron's not crushing light in the world on fire, Yeah yeah, so,

975
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: and I think I think they want to move off

976
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 1: and and I think this is why the Raiders right

977
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 1: now are holding on a Derek Carr that the Raiders

978
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: may be saying the Raiders don't want to give up

979
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 1: as much. I think Green Bay has leaked already publicly.

980
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 1: All this stuff gets out, Nick because somebody wants it out. Yeah,

981
01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 1: they've already leaked AFC All there's Aaron even said it. Well,

982
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: they're talking about me, So Green Bay wants it out

983
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:33,919
Speaker 1: to the league, not Aaron. We are ready to move

984
01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: off him. Their takeaway is we don't know exactly know

985
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 1: what Jordan Love is, but what we don't want is

986
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: far too The Vikings good at least for a year.

987
01:02:46,520 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: Correct and listen, I the Jets obviously want them. They

988
01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: hired Hackett. Here's my but I think Jets Raiders are

989
01:02:54,080 --> 01:02:58,160
Speaker 1: obviously the leading contenders. Here. I'm gonna throw something at you. Yep.

990
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:02,080
Speaker 1: When Quentin Tarantina came on the scene, it's all anybody

991
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:06,520
Speaker 1: talked about for two years. Spielberg has done far more,

992
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: far longer. But it wasn't new and shiny and fun.

993
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:18,200
Speaker 1: That we're not dissing Lebron or Brady or Spielberg, but

994
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: we like the new stuff. We like the new restaurant,

995
01:03:21,280 --> 01:03:25,920
Speaker 1: the new nightclub, the new job morant, Zion Williamson, Josh Allen,

996
01:03:26,040 --> 01:03:29,760
Speaker 1: who you've accurately said, we like him more than his

997
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:36,560
Speaker 1: game produces, and that I think Lebron was great early, great, middle, great, late.

998
01:03:37,600 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: He's never had the story arcs going to baseball like

999
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,280
Speaker 1: MJ the fight with his GM, the no couldn't win

1000
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: without Pippin, then had Pippin, and then he left for baseball,

1001
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 1: and then he came back and then he lost to Orlando.

1002
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 1: Michael's career had so many different chapters. Lebron, Spielberg, Brady great, early, great, middle, great, late.

1003
01:04:00,360 --> 01:04:05,000
Speaker 1: What's there to say? Well, I think there's that. I

1004
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 1: also think that when the so I don't know if

1005
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: you saw this, but you're by when people hear or

1006
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:16,600
Speaker 1: see this, it'll it'll be I think on February third

1007
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: is when this will come out. Your former employer is

1008
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: doing across all shows tomorrow because tomorrow is two three

1009
01:04:25,240 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: slash twenty three Michael Jordan tributes, and if you you

1010
01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:34,200
Speaker 1: I understand the timing on the calendar, but you also

1011
01:04:34,320 --> 01:04:39,440
Speaker 1: can't convince me that's not some editorial decisions by folks

1012
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:44,080
Speaker 1: who are heavily invested in Michael Jordan remaining the gold

1013
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,400
Speaker 1: standard for everything that we are going to be potentially

1014
01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: a day away from Lebron breaking Kareem's record, and we're

1015
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 1: gonna have wal to wal Michael Jordan coverage. I mean,

1016
01:04:57,840 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: give me a goddamn break, And so there is I

1017
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:08,640
Speaker 1: think there has been so so much of our sports

1018
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 1: logic forever has been I shouldn't say forever, for the

1019
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:16,160
Speaker 1: last thirty years, has not been based on what is

1020
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,240
Speaker 1: objectively the best, but has been based on what is

1021
01:05:20,280 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: objectively the most similar to Michael Jordan's arc that we have.

1022
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:30,280
Speaker 1: We've perverted so many arguments, like Tim Duncan was a

1023
01:05:30,400 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: more successful, more impactful, more winning, more everything than Kobe Bryant.

1024
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: But when you say Tim Duncan was better than Kobe,

1025
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:46,800
Speaker 1: it breaks some people's brains because they're not judging who's better,

1026
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 1: They're judging who remind you more of Michael Jordan. I'm

1027
01:05:50,880 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 1: old enough to remember, as are you, that when Tom

1028
01:05:54,640 --> 01:05:58,440
Speaker 1: Brady before he got to seven rings, after the Seattle

1029
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:02,120
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, when he had four rings and then two

1030
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:07,040
Speaker 1: super Bowl losses, there were people that argued Joe Montana's

1031
01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 1: four rings were better than Brady's four rings because Montana

1032
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:15,960
Speaker 1: never lost a Super Bowl, which is objectively idiotic because

1033
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:18,720
Speaker 1: it just means he didn't get there. But the reason

1034
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: that was the case was because we had already decided

1035
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: that Jordan's six and ozho was better than Kareem's six

1036
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: and four, which never made any sense. Objectively speaking, that

1037
01:06:33,600 --> 01:06:38,560
Speaker 1: same logic would dictate by the way that Patrick Mahomes actually,

1038
01:06:39,360 --> 01:06:43,480
Speaker 1: if he loses in the week, yeah, that logic dictates,

1039
01:06:43,840 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, it was bad for him to have this

1040
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:49,919
Speaker 1: legendary performance on one leg and beat the Bengals. Would

1041
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: have been better to just lose that game, because losses

1042
01:06:52,920 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: pre championship round don't hurt you, but losses in the

1043
01:06:56,240 --> 01:07:01,920
Speaker 1: championship round due so much of it is about protecting

1044
01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: the narrative, and I think the Lebron if we wanted

1045
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:11,840
Speaker 1: to tell the Lebron story the same way people want

1046
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:16,200
Speaker 1: to tell the Michael Jordan's story, the story of overcoming

1047
01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 1: incompetent coaching at various steps, overcoming incompetent teammates, of having

1048
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:26,720
Speaker 1: no true like basketball training. He's come straight out of

1049
01:07:26,760 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: high school. A suppose having Dean Smith. Instead of coming

1050
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:34,360
Speaker 1: from a great two parent household, he had one parent

1051
01:07:35,120 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: incredibly poor, and that one parent dealt with their own issues.

1052
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 1: All of that could be part of the legend, but

1053
01:07:43,320 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: since the guy's been twenty seven, a huge part of

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Speaker 1: the story surrounding him has been discrediting what he's accomplished

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Speaker 1: because people want to protect Jordan. I truly believe that,

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Speaker 1: and I think we're still seeing it. Can I throw

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Speaker 1: this in? This is engineered by Michael, who remains a

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Speaker 1: grudge holder and incredibly petty. And the reason he okayed

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Speaker 1: use of certain footage to ESPN because after Lebron beat

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Speaker 1: the Warriors there were real discussions that Lebron's better than

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Speaker 1: MJ and m the next day, the next the day

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Speaker 1: after the parade yep, and now as Lebron gets ready

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Speaker 1: to set the record. This is not coincidental. Michael is petty,

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Speaker 1: He's a grudgeholder. He still holds a grudge to Isaiah Thomas,

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Speaker 1: who the f cares that he bore about Charles Barkley,

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Speaker 1: who used to be his best friend. It's the and

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Speaker 1: it is just I don't think because and but the

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Speaker 1: other part of it, forget the Michael part of it.

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Speaker 1: The other part of it is on the media writ

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Speaker 1: large for just deciding what we are and are not

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Speaker 1: going to treat with important I made this point on

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Speaker 1: the TV show, but I didn't make it to you.

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Speaker 1: I think you'll agree with me. There was far more

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Speaker 1: day by day breathless coverage of Steph Curry breaking the

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Speaker 1: three point record last year. Then there has been about

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Speaker 1: Lebron breaking the all time points record. Last night or

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Speaker 1: Wednesday night, Lebron passed four and five in the all

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Speaker 1: time assists rankings. Nobody cares, so he's going to be

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Speaker 1: top four and assists the day he becomes number one

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Speaker 1: in points, and it feels like it has been a

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Speaker 1: sub story. Go ahead, no, you know, Nick, One of

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Speaker 1: the things I've noticed by the media. I never blame

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Speaker 1: fans it's short for fanatic for having favorites. That's why

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Speaker 1: they're great. But one of the things I've noticed, I

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Speaker 1: remember Jerry Seinfeld was asked, it was like two years ago,

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Speaker 1: and he was asked about the media and the COVID

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Speaker 1: coverage and people and their opinions, and you know, I

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Speaker 1: remember reading somewhere Jerry Seinfeld said, well, maybe the media

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Speaker 1: should do a better job. And I do believe the

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Speaker 1: media can be condescending. They have agendas. I see it

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Speaker 1: in the coverage about our careers, where it's so I

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Speaker 1: only can judge based on information I have and stuff

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Speaker 1: that's written about our careers. Radio TV, What's it like

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Speaker 1: for politicians, what's it like for star athletes? So I

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Speaker 1: don't think what's funny is Jordan basically refused to talk

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Speaker 1: to Sports Illustrated because of a cover. Jordan won't talk

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Speaker 1: to Isaiah Thomas or Charles Barkley. He's petty. Lebron James

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Speaker 1: may call out certain people, but Lebron has been the

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Speaker 1: most available NBA star outside of maybe Magic of My Life.

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Speaker 1: He is every night, local regional, correct every night. And

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Speaker 1: he doesn't do the big sit down interviews anymore except

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Speaker 1: for you know, maybe once a year, unless it's with

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Speaker 1: his own company. You know, he has his own production company,

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Speaker 1: so he does with him, which makes sense. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: talking all the time, and it's just it is incredibly

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Speaker 1: frustrating to me. And the other thing that is also

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Speaker 1: frustrating to me is that none of us, myself included,

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Speaker 1: none of us thought it was possible for him to

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Speaker 1: be in year twenty playing like this year nineteen and twenty,

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Speaker 1: he's averaging thirty points, thirty six minutes per game, better

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Speaker 1: than fifty percent shooting. None of us thought it was possible,

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Speaker 1: and yet almost nobody has stopped to appreciate it. We

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Speaker 1: didn't think it was possible, and then we instantly started

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Speaker 1: taking it for granted and they're like, oh, they're not

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Speaker 1: winning enough, which is true except for the fact that

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Speaker 1: this is an unbelievable stat. When Lebron's on the court, Colin,

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Speaker 1: the Lakers have a better net rating than Milwaukee. When

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Speaker 1: he's off the court, they have a worse net rating

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Speaker 1: than the Hornets. So with the teammates around him, when

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Speaker 1: he plays, they are a one contenders. When he goes

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Speaker 1: to the bench, they're a bottom three team. And I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's an indictment on the general managing and on the

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Speaker 1: roster construction, but it's not an indictment on Lebron. The volume,

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Speaker 1: make sure to check out The Draymond Green Show. I

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Speaker 1: brought Draymond Green into the volume because one of the

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Speaker 1: more entertaining voices in sports, unique perspective understands behind the rope.

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Speaker 1: Also chops up with guests like Gary Peyton, Zach Levine,

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