Speaker 1: Oh my god, Hi, Hi, how are you. I'm good.
Speaker 1: I love you.
Speaker 2: I don't remember if the last time I saw you
Speaker 2: was on my show, but you're one of the people
Speaker 2: that I feel like I'm friends with in my head,
Speaker 2: like I know you because I just have good memories
Speaker 2: of you, and I can't even I feel like I
Speaker 2: know you or we're friends. But I've met you only
Speaker 2: a couple times. And do you remember the first time
Speaker 2: we met? Because I know you were on my show,
Speaker 2: but I feel like I knew you before that.
Speaker 1: I might get a party or something.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Oh good, you like me.
Speaker 2: You have no idea, but you know you know me
Speaker 2: right of course, right, like we know each other, but
Speaker 2: I don't have I mean, we both blacked out, honestly.
Speaker 4: I just think that, you know, we just probably run
Speaker 4: into so many people so often that like, you know,
Speaker 4: it's not like and sometimes I feel bad because they're like.
Speaker 3: You remember me from this and from that, I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I know likewise, but I like you.
Speaker 2: I've always liked you, and I'm really excited that you're
Speaker 2: here and to chat with you. And I'm a little
Speaker 2: like hazy today because I woke up. Do you ever
Speaker 2: wake up, like, do you get anxiety?
Speaker 1: I read it.
Speaker 2: I was reading everything about you, and I woke up today.
Speaker 2: Sometimes it happens at night, but this morning I woke
Speaker 2: up with generalized anxiety. Like it wasn't about anything specific.
Speaker 2: I was just like, I'm anxious, and I feel like
Speaker 2: the world's coming to an end and I don't understand
Speaker 2: what's happening right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, every single morning for me ractly.
Speaker 4: And I talk to my friend a lot on the
Speaker 4: phone because she kind of deals with that, but hers
Speaker 4: is at night before she goes to bed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I like exhaust myself. I like do so much.
Speaker 4: During the day, so I could just fall asleep at
Speaker 4: night right pick up in the morning.
Speaker 3: Just my heart beats out of my chest.
Speaker 4: Wow, And like I try to find a reason and
Speaker 4: there's just no reason.
Speaker 2: And you know, you can indulge it or try to not.
Speaker 2: And it's funny because sometimes you're tired and you drink
Speaker 2: coffee and you know that's the worst idea, but because
Speaker 2: it's like, but you'd want the coffee because you're craving
Speaker 2: the coffee. And I forced myself to go in the
Speaker 2: other room and do yoga, like just in my pajamas
Speaker 2: on a mat and it did.
Speaker 1: It did calm the lambs down a little.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I do the gym five days a week.
Speaker 1: I have to, so it makes a big difference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I go straight to the gym. Wow it
Speaker 3: that way.
Speaker 1: So you have two you have two sons? Okay? How
Speaker 1: old did they?
Speaker 3: Or an eleven?
Speaker 1: Oh? Wow? Okay?
Speaker 2: How is motherhood like? Do you feel like you have
Speaker 2: a handle on it? Do you feel guilt? Do you
Speaker 2: feel like you're good at it? What do you think
Speaker 2: about motherhood overall?
Speaker 4: Honestly, I feel like that most of my anxiety probably
Speaker 4: comes from being a mother. And funny because when I
Speaker 4: was pregnant with my first son, I had a conversation
Speaker 4: with Andrew Martinez and she was like, you know, you're
Speaker 4: never gonna sleep ever again. And I think of that
Speaker 4: from like a superficial standpoint, like no, I mean, obviously
Speaker 4: my kids are going to sleep throughout the night, you know,
Speaker 4: Like That's how I was kind of thinking about it.
Speaker 3: But she was right. I mean I think that.
Speaker 4: You think of the worst possible scenario every single day,
Speaker 4: whether you know they're gonna fall in the pool and
Speaker 4: they're not a god, they're gonna fall out of a window,
Speaker 4: or like someone's gonna hit them at school.
Speaker 3: And it's gonna hurt. Like I don't know. I think
Speaker 3: that's where.
Speaker 4: Most of my anxiety comes from, just thinking about something
Speaker 4: happening to my kids.
Speaker 2: It's interesting mine is not. That's a piece of it.
Speaker 2: But it's funny you say that because I was talking
Speaker 2: to my daughter this morning and she's thirteen, she's turning fourteen.
Speaker 1: And a and you know how like when you're wondering.
Speaker 2: If someone's cheating on you, the questions you ask, Like
Speaker 2: I said to her today, so where did you go yesterday?
Speaker 2: And she said, I went to, you know, my friend's house.
Speaker 2: And I said how did you get there? Because she's
Speaker 2: in the city when she's with her dad and all
Speaker 2: the way uptown. And I said how'd you get there?
Speaker 2: And she said, I rode my bike And I said
Speaker 2: you took a city bike and she's like yeah.
Speaker 1: And I said did you have wear a helmet? And
Speaker 1: she said no?
Speaker 2: And I was like ruined my whole day in morning,
Speaker 2: Like I it's a letter.
Speaker 1: It's a letter.
Speaker 2: It's like it's like it's like a police man following
Speaker 2: her now, like you know, because I get it. I'm
Speaker 2: just like, and you feel like you have to say, okay,
Speaker 2: promise me this and promise you're gonna be careful. But
Speaker 2: you remember you were a kid, and you remember you
Speaker 2: were partying way.
Speaker 1: Younger than you should be.
Speaker 2: And now we're getting into the high school age and
Speaker 2: people having sex and the drugs are and drinking, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't know if I'm built for this
Speaker 2: that part.
Speaker 3: No, I get it. I get it.
Speaker 4: And even just heartbreaks, like you know, Sebastian's eleven, he
Speaker 4: likes girls. Now the one girl that he liked was
Speaker 4: kind of being mean to him, and like, you know,
Speaker 4: he was upset, and I'm.
Speaker 1: Just like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw my video last week
Speaker 2: that people were commenting on my daughter's tank tup and
Speaker 2: it was literally just a tank top, but there was
Speaker 2: this tiny I'm out with little cherries on and she
Speaker 2: dresses very age appropriate, she's very and I just you know,
Speaker 2: these days, you're careful about what you'll say on social media.
Speaker 2: You're a little more tempered, right, And I just literally
Speaker 2: said to the world, I'll shut it down right now,
Speaker 2: like no.
Speaker 3: And it's so funny because I'm forty now.
Speaker 4: So like my my elementary school years were in the
Speaker 4: nineties and if kids fuck with me at school, my
Speaker 4: mom was in the school yard like like, don't fuck
Speaker 4: with my daughter, you know, but it was, oh a
Speaker 4: hundred that was my mom for.
Speaker 3: Sure, and I'll fight you, and my mom's gonna fight
Speaker 3: your mom.
Speaker 1: Totally one hundred percent. Think of it.
Speaker 2: I read about you and you experienced bullying, and like,
Speaker 2: we can't wrap them in bubble wrap. You're a tough
Speaker 2: bitch because you're a tough bitch. So like, what's that
Speaker 2: your kids have money that you didn't have, you know,
Speaker 2: privilege that you didn't have, and they're going to be
Speaker 2: a little softer than you because we want to wrap
Speaker 2: them and bubble wrap.
Speaker 1: So what about that?
Speaker 4: Well it's true, but I mean I grew up in
Speaker 4: South Philly, in the inner city, you know, I went
Speaker 4: to a public school, so the culture was, you know,
Speaker 4: if somebody wants to fight you, you have to fight them,
Speaker 4: right because I don't fight them, they will constantly bully
Speaker 4: you for the rest of the school year. So you
Speaker 4: got to get it out the way and you hope
Speaker 4: that it's going to be a fair fight.
Speaker 3: So you have your mom.
Speaker 4: There to make sure no one jumps in, and I
Speaker 4: just I can't imagine my kids going through that.
Speaker 3: You know, it was like you don't think about.
Speaker 4: It at the time that it's like, probably it probably
Speaker 4: traumatized the shit out of me.
Speaker 3: Yes, but it was just the culture. And now with
Speaker 3: my kids'.
Speaker 4: School, they have zero tolerance, like you are expelled if
Speaker 4: you fight.
Speaker 1: Oh no, you can't say a word to somebody.
Speaker 4: And just with the next generation, it's like you don't
Speaker 4: want them to fight. You don't want them to just
Speaker 4: be outside, you know, until the street lights.
Speaker 3: Come on to come in. I watch my kids like
Speaker 3: a hawk.
Speaker 4: But also at the same time, it's like, are they
Speaker 4: gonna be able to handle life? And life lets you
Speaker 4: that are tough, right, because they're not. I don't know,
Speaker 4: Like I kind of.
Speaker 2: Know they will because you'll be there and you'll adjust.
Speaker 2: It's like it's a living, breathing organism. You still have
Speaker 2: that skill set, so you'll give it to them to
Speaker 2: adjust to whatever happens in this landscape.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, so what are you doing now?
Speaker 2: Like what's if someone were on a plane next to
Speaker 2: you and said, what's your career?
Speaker 1: Like what are you working on the most? Are you modeling? Actings?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: What are you doing? Mostly?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I just got the cover of Galore, so
Speaker 4: that's coming out soon.
Speaker 3: So I'm still I'm still doing you know, modeling.
Speaker 4: And obviously my podcast, I hope they're not listening with
Speaker 4: Amber Rose and talk about like taboo topics and I
Speaker 4: rest Tyson on. I had Lucian Greaves, the head of
Speaker 4: the Satanic Temple on and I just, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: just curious. I just want to know the ins and
Speaker 4: outs of like taboo things, and so that's pretty much
Speaker 4: what my podcast is about.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really fun. It's really love that.
Speaker 4: I had a girl come on. She was a part
Speaker 4: of a cult in Utah. She told her story. I
Speaker 4: had a mortician on there, which is surprisingly you think
Speaker 4: you know, but you have no idea.
Speaker 3: That world is light. And I think some people that's
Speaker 3: why I named it.
Speaker 4: I hope they're not listening, because there are some things
Speaker 4: that you might not want to know when it comes
Speaker 4: to death, you know, rolls and cremation and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: So that's very podcasting though, that's very neat.
Speaker 1: I like that, it's like very niche and who's vetting
Speaker 1: the guests.
Speaker 2: It's your natural curiosity or a combination between you and
Speaker 2: your producers.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I sit with them and I just tell
Speaker 4: them things that I'm into, and like they, you know,
Speaker 4: developed the list and we go through the list.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yes, I want to talk to her.
Speaker 3: I want to talk to him. You know.
Speaker 4: Another guy, Terry Lovelace, he was abducted by aliens in
Speaker 4: nineteen seventy nine. He worked in the Air Force, and
Speaker 4: his story is absolutely crazy. He was up on the ship.
Speaker 4: He saw a pink alien, a pink alien that was
Speaker 4: kind of like in charge of everything. I know, it
Speaker 4: sounds so crazy, but when he tells the story, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 4: There was mantis aliens kind of working on him. They
Speaker 4: were like a part of the medical fields within the ship.
Speaker 4: It's crazy because he just came out with his story
Speaker 4: in twenty eighteen, because all these years he was just like,
Speaker 4: no one is this sounds unbelievable, No one believe me.
Speaker 4: It just sounds so crazy. And he finally was just like,
Speaker 4: you know, I'm older now, this is what happened to me.
Speaker 4: And he had like over four thousand people reach out
Speaker 4: and they were telling their stories and a lot of
Speaker 4: things at crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all from all over the world, and.
Speaker 1: So it's crazy.
Speaker 4: I don't know, it was kind of cool. I had
Speaker 4: a guy on there that talked to people that had
Speaker 4: near death experiences.
Speaker 2: So it's I like the I like the show. It's
Speaker 2: very that's very unique, and I love I love that.
Speaker 2: So are you a sexual person or you've just utilized
Speaker 2: sexuality as a tool.
Speaker 4: Not I would say not at all, because I've a
Speaker 4: lot of people aren't sexual, being most people are not asexual.
Speaker 3: I'm definitely not. I'm more conservative.
Speaker 4: Actually, I've always been conservative since I was young, and
Speaker 4: I think coming out on the scene, I was kind
Speaker 4: of thrown into this sex spot type of girl. And
Speaker 4: so when I was kind of out on my own
Speaker 4: without my first relationship, that kind of like brought me
Speaker 4: to the light. That's what they wanted from me. And
Speaker 4: so I feel like, you know, even when into it, yeah,
Speaker 4: well even when I would try to go against the grain,
Speaker 4: and you know, I would have like producers saying, Okay,
Speaker 4: so we want to do this video for MTV and
Speaker 4: we want you at the pool with a bikini on,
Speaker 4: you know, martini in your hand and I'm like, I'm
Speaker 4: so not her, Like I'm so not and I get
Speaker 4: what I come off as, but I'm so not her.
Speaker 3: And they're like, oh, well, I guess we don't want
Speaker 3: to do it then. So it was more so like
Speaker 3: I've gotten to survival mode and.
Speaker 2: The market decide what the product. The market said, this
Speaker 2: is what the product is. And that's let me, Well,
Speaker 2: when you say your first, you're talking about Kanye, So
Speaker 2: that was your first you're saying public relationship or your
Speaker 2: first relationship.
Speaker 4: That was my first relationship with the celebrity ever, but
Speaker 4: also in the public eye, and so you know, here's
Speaker 4: a lot about fashion and like he always wanted me
Speaker 4: to dress very sexy, and you know, I was young
Speaker 4: at the time, and I'm like, okay, you know that,
Speaker 4: and that's you know, I was still an adult, so
Speaker 4: obviously I made that decision to say yes or no whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what age of an adult because that's you know,
Speaker 2: I don't think a twenty How old are you twenty five?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: So on the verge of being an adult like not,
Speaker 2: you know still, and it depends on where you were
Speaker 2: in your journey, how immature you are.
Speaker 4: When you're forty, you can look at twenty five and
Speaker 4: say I was a baby and I didn't know shit,
Speaker 4: you know. But when five, you're like, I'm grown, I
Speaker 4: know everything, and you don't.
Speaker 3: You don't know anything besides that, you know I did.
Speaker 3: I kind of got.
Speaker 4: Pigeon held into this this sexy type of girl. And
Speaker 4: it's funny because I just came across an Ink magazine
Speaker 4: cover that someone tagged me in on Instagram and it
Speaker 4: says the Sex Issue, and I cringed because it just
Speaker 4: brought me back to a time where it was like
Speaker 4: I remember fighting so hard too to not be that person,
Speaker 4: and no one would let me, you know, They're like, oh,
Speaker 4: well you want the cover. You want the cover or
Speaker 4: not because it's a sex issue and we want to
Speaker 4: give it to you.
Speaker 3: You know you're gonna make money, you know or not.
Speaker 1: So I feel like, yeah, I fully, I fully get that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people, and it's and it's an easy muscle because
Speaker 2: you know how to do that. And do you feel
Speaker 2: like you were amuse or was it? Was there any
Speaker 2: part of it that was flattering? Because I feel like
Speaker 2: a lot of your persona is defined by men.
Speaker 1: And it's funny.
Speaker 2: There's this girl on TikTok that talks about which person
Speaker 2: in the relationship is a black cat and which is
Speaker 2: a golden retriever. And You're you seem like you're always
Speaker 2: the black cat. You have these guys coveting you, and
Speaker 2: like it's that black cat dynamic that they that they
Speaker 2: love and is it? Was it flattering? Was it intoxicating
Speaker 2: to be so desired?
Speaker 1: And like.
Speaker 4: I definitely went into it with a delusional mind state
Speaker 4: that like people actually cared about me. And again I
Speaker 4: can look back and be like, he probably didn't care,
Speaker 4: and that's no one's specific. But I went in with
Speaker 4: genuine feelings and every person I've dated and you know,
Speaker 4: kind of dealt with it was always genuine from my side.
Speaker 4: Let's just say that you so, I I'm just a
Speaker 4: down home South Philly girl. It's hard for me to
Speaker 4: look at myself as like amuse, although I'm sure I
Speaker 4: was too quite a fule, But yeah, I just I
Speaker 4: just like to think that I'm just like a down
Speaker 4: home Philly girl and from the outside looking in, it
Speaker 4: looks like something else, but it's not.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't relate to the celebrity aspect because I've
Speaker 2: never dated or been attracted to celebrities, but I do
Speaker 2: relate to the like being chosen and you're sort of
Speaker 2: not driving, You're like a passenger in the car, and
Speaker 2: then all of a sudden you're in some destination and
Speaker 2: you're like, I don't know what, I didn't see the
Speaker 2: sign on this bus, and like why did I get in?
Speaker 2: It seemed like an interesting thing to do. And then
Speaker 2: you're years later and you're on the wrong fucking bus.
Speaker 2: So I get and I get that because while you know,
Speaker 2: I'm no supermodel, I have been that black cat my
Speaker 2: whole life too. So my question is, do you feel
Speaker 2: like you haven't been driving, like people are choosing you?
Speaker 2: You go on the rockde and then you know because
Speaker 2: and you're also with many celebrity men, so that's definitely
Speaker 2: a journey, and like have you intervened in that?
Speaker 1: Are you still doing that? Like what is that about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's many.
Speaker 4: I think it's probably about four or five throughout fifteen years.
Speaker 1: Okay, but that's still a lot. I think, no, says is.
Speaker 3: Very different from who I've actually been with and dated.
Speaker 4: So as far as media goes, if I'm in the
Speaker 4: same restaurant as someone I'm dating them. It caught, you know,
Speaker 4: at the a photographer is like, hey, can we get
Speaker 4: a picture of you and so and so, And I'm like, sure,
Speaker 4: I'm with them as well. So that added up over
Speaker 4: the years. Because there's no handbook to tell you how
Speaker 4: to be a celebrity. I've always been very gracious for
Speaker 4: people that wanted to take pictures with me, or photographers
Speaker 4: that wanted to take pictures of me. I thought that
Speaker 4: was just the right thing to do. And so over
Speaker 4: time it was like Amber's messing with this guy, Amber's
Speaker 4: messing with that guy, Ambrazo, this Ambras and that. So
Speaker 4: all of my relationships, I like to be monogamous with
Speaker 4: one person, and I've never just been out fucking guys,
Speaker 4: although it looks like I have plenty.
Speaker 3: Of male friends.
Speaker 4: And I would even say, honestly, the past two months
Speaker 4: they said that I'm fucking with Chris Rock. I'm fucking
Speaker 4: with the kid c J. Strout that's twenty two years old.
Speaker 4: He gave me a ride home. I kind of got
Speaker 4: stuck at this charity softball game. It's a long story.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Things like that add up over time, and people are like, God,
Speaker 4: this girl's fucking everyone, you know, And so that just
Speaker 4: became my life, and it did take a toll on
Speaker 4: my mental health because you know, then I get on
Speaker 4: Twitter and I.
Speaker 3: Get on Instagram, I'm like, hey, guys, this isn't true,
Speaker 3: and all they say is, yes it is.
Speaker 4: You're a liar, you're a whore, you fuck everybody, blah
Speaker 4: blah blah. And so then I just got to the
Speaker 4: point where it was like, I'll be a whore then, sure,
Speaker 4: whatever you want.
Speaker 1: That's you said that.
Speaker 2: It's not like you're celibate, but you're not interested in
Speaker 2: a relationship, like you are defined about the fact that
Speaker 2: you do not want to be in a relationship. And
Speaker 2: I think that's really interesting because I was hearing Kelly
Speaker 2: Clarkson on her show when asked by Hoda, I think
Speaker 2: it was, you know, do you want a date?
Speaker 1: And she was like, absolutely not. I have my kids,
Speaker 1: I have my job.
Speaker 2: She just went through it, she's still going through a
Speaker 2: gnarly divorce, which no one understands better than I do.
Speaker 2: And like she's like, I'm good. And Drew Barrymore gives
Speaker 2: a little bit of that too, And I just have
Speaker 2: been hearing that from different women in entertainment that we
Speaker 2: haven't heard it as much before. It's like almost like
Speaker 2: a real put your foot down, like no, I have everything.
Speaker 2: I I'm happy alone. I don't want it.
Speaker 4: I think I think society makes women feel like they're
Speaker 4: incomplete without a man or being in a relationship.
Speaker 3: It's like, what's wrong with you? Are you bitter? Are
Speaker 3: you miserable? Somebody really hurt you? You know when?
Speaker 4: Ultimately, and I can only speak for myself, this is
Speaker 4: the happiest I've ever.
Speaker 3: Been, you know, not in a relationship. I am so free.
Speaker 3: I don't have to hit.
Speaker 4: Someone up in the morning say good morning, good night,
Speaker 4: what are you doing, what did you eat, where you at,
Speaker 4: where you're going, or answer those questions from somebody. I
Speaker 4: have my own schedule with my children and when they
Speaker 4: go with their dads, I am as free as a bird.
Speaker 1: Bethany, right, you don't feel torn.
Speaker 2: And it's funny that you say that, because I was
Speaker 2: also saying this on this podcast that the Hoda had
Speaker 2: said that she went on a date right, and Jenna
Speaker 2: was like, because there's hope, and I love Jenna and
Speaker 2: I love Hope. But it was funny because it was
Speaker 2: like Jenna who's married, was sort of assigning the construct
Speaker 2: of like that Hoda wants somebody, and Hoda was like, no,
Speaker 2: it's just a night to go out and like not
Speaker 2: be with my kids are at work. Because it doesn't
Speaker 2: have to Everything doesn't have to be something. We are
Speaker 2: so trained for everything to have to be something. You know,
Speaker 2: you go on a day, Oh well, when's the next day?
Speaker 2: You can go on five days? When are you get engaged?
Speaker 2: You go, when are you getting a baby? When are
Speaker 2: you getting medt are supposed to check the boxes of
Speaker 2: the next thing, like the ring, the dress that, And
Speaker 2: I think that's just like.
Speaker 3: It's there's pressure on women. There's so much pressure. And
Speaker 3: just because you want to be single doesn't mean you're bitter,
Speaker 3: doesn't mean you're lonely, doesn't mean you're incompletely. It's it
Speaker 3: feels so good to literally not want anyone and trust me,
Speaker 3: men pursue me constantly.
Speaker 4: Maybe I will go and have dinner, but that's as
Speaker 4: far as it'll go.
Speaker 2: It's an activity too though. Sometimes you just don't want
Speaker 2: to be home staring at the world, stething to do.
Speaker 4: They're nice, nice guys, you know, but yeah, to have
Speaker 4: someone fully in my life like that. I just don't
Speaker 4: want it, and I am very very happy.
Speaker 2: So I was reading about you wanting credit for things
Speaker 2: that you participated in creatively, and then you sort of
Speaker 2: backed out of it. I remember, like, I'm not looking
Speaker 2: for credit, but I think that people do deserve credit.
Speaker 2: And I think women also back off of like saying no,
Speaker 2: like I did that. And it doesn't mean you have
Speaker 2: to always be grabbing for credit on small things, but
Speaker 2: you do deserve credit if you've done something or created value.
Speaker 2: It's your intellectual property.
Speaker 4: So I mean, I don't need the actual credit. Just
Speaker 4: pay me, pay me for what i've I've done. I
Speaker 4: don't need the c I don't need my name on shit.
Speaker 4: I don't care about the accolades of that. That's not
Speaker 4: that's not something that like means something to me, you know.
Speaker 4: And I think that the misconception is that people think
Speaker 4: that there was some type of conversation before and there
Speaker 4: was not. I didn't find out things until later, and
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, so what happened was that Nicki was
Speaker 4: an up and coming artist. I had already been famous
Speaker 4: at the time I ran into her. She had a
Speaker 4: little bit of buzz at the time. And I went
Speaker 4: to the studio studio with her on a separate occasion,
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh my god, this girl is so talented.
Speaker 3: Wow, like unbelievable.
Speaker 4: So I went to Kanye at the time and I said,
Speaker 4: you got to meet this girl, Nicki Minaj. She's super talented.
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, like, just have her come in the studio.
Speaker 4: Thinks she might be good to be on Monster, you know.
Speaker 3: Just give it a try.
Speaker 4: Wow. Very reluctant because he hadn't heard of her at
Speaker 4: the time.
Speaker 3: It's so long time ago.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: And then she came in the studio and she she
Speaker 3: killed it.
Speaker 4: So I don't necessarily need credit for that, because if
Speaker 4: she was a whack artist, he would have never used it.
Speaker 4: But because she is a writer and a lyricist and
Speaker 4: she is who she is.
Speaker 2: That's insane. That's an insane story. I mean, she's Nicki Minaj.
Speaker 2: That's a major story.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy ethany For me, I don't care because
Speaker 4: she did that.
Speaker 3: I put two and two together. But ultimately she did that,
Speaker 3: and they create.
Speaker 1: You No, but that what are you talking that?
Speaker 2: But that's what an agent does or a manager. They
Speaker 2: put things together. They're not doing it they put it
Speaker 2: together and then they take a piece, So yeah, but
Speaker 2: have you And it wasn't even something that that would
Speaker 2: have been weird for you to say, can I have
Speaker 2: this in writing? Because she had no leverage, like she
Speaker 2: wasn't anybody, You weren't bringing somebody major. So it was like, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's fucked up.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd be that would irritate me too. And what
Speaker 2: is well, she must have knowledge, not that it's about her,
Speaker 2: but she must acknowledge that that happened.
Speaker 4: Well, she put my name in the verse that she
Speaker 4: that she used. Right, all credit is due to Niki.
Speaker 4: And I'm not just saying that to try to be
Speaker 4: like politically correct. I didn't do it for the credit.
Speaker 4: I didn't do it for money. I literally was never
Speaker 4: talking about that. I was talking about the actual whole album,
Speaker 4: not just.
Speaker 3: Not that song.
Speaker 4: So I don't credit or money for doing that, because
Speaker 4: I did it because she deserved it.
Speaker 2: And oh yeah, at the time, it sounds like you
Speaker 2: put two people together, but when something pops off, you
Speaker 2: feel like, yeah, get me a taste, and a taste
Speaker 2: I get it, and not just that song.
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying.
Speaker 2: It's just interesting that that's a major story to put
Speaker 2: Nicki Minaj and Kanye West. That alone is a pretty
Speaker 2: major story to me. What I really relate to about
Speaker 2: you is the pandemic, like putting you in a little
Speaker 2: bit of a because I don't I'm a very Something
Speaker 2: that surprises people about me that they don't really realize
Speaker 2: is the level of homebody that I am ready to
Speaker 2: begin with, the level of insular and difficulty it is
Speaker 2: for me to get out. And so the pandemic was
Speaker 2: like indulging that full on and then it was hard
Speaker 2: to come out of that. So how did the pandemic
Speaker 2: affect you? In your anxiety and all the you know
Speaker 2: lamb screaming in your head.
Speaker 4: Dealing with you know, having a newborn and then right
Speaker 4: after that the pandemic hit.
Speaker 3: So I got all these.
Speaker 4: Emotions, all these hormones, you know, raising a newborn baby,
Speaker 4: trying to breastfeed, trying not to cry, and.
Speaker 3: Be like, what the fuck did I get myself into?
Speaker 2: In your head too, because you're in your house. You
Speaker 2: can't even like that, Wow.
Speaker 4: I can't even go and you know, think about it,
Speaker 4: even trying to just get my body after pregnancy, you know,
Speaker 4: at that time.
Speaker 3: Everyone's like, if you go outside, you're gonna die. That's
Speaker 3: on the news.
Speaker 4: And then I'm like, well, I don't want to go outside.
Speaker 4: Bring COVID into my house. I have a newborn baby.
Speaker 4: I'm scared.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'll do a couple of workouts in my front yard.
Speaker 4: But other than that, I mean, it was a very
Speaker 4: difficult time for me.
Speaker 1: How is your co parenting going good?
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I am the queen of co parenting
Speaker 4: because I don't talk about that.
Speaker 3: I don't talk about the past. I don't talk about
Speaker 3: what was done to me.
Speaker 4: I don't talk about who my son's fathers are dating,
Speaker 4: who they're with, where are they at. I am all
Speaker 4: about my children. When are you going to pick them up,
Speaker 4: what's the schedule, When are you going to bring them back?
Speaker 3: Where are they going? What I need, what you need?
Speaker 3: And that's it. Like, I'm very transactional. It's all about
Speaker 3: the children and there's nothing in Yeah, I'll just leave.
Speaker 1: It all about transactional.
Speaker 2: So you're spending most of your time podcasting and you're modeling,
Speaker 2: and you feel like you're in a good place in
Speaker 2: your life, like your career is where you want it
Speaker 2: to be other things you want to do that you're
Speaker 2: not doing.
Speaker 3: I'm working on a lot of beauty stuff and a
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of cool things.
Speaker 4: So yes, soon we can do another interview later, or
Speaker 4: maybe you can do an interview.
Speaker 3: For my podcast of course, stuff that you're into.
Speaker 1: I would love to. I would love to, of course.
Speaker 2: And with the blow up, I also didn't know, see
Speaker 2: I I don't know that much about pop culture and
Speaker 2: things that go on, which is the girls who are
Speaker 2: on here they tell me a lot. I didn't know
Speaker 2: that you were in the audience with the tailor swing
Speaker 2: to think like you're in the middle somehow amber Rose
Speaker 2: is like where's Waldo?
Speaker 1: You're like in the middle.
Speaker 2: So you were in the audience when Taylor Swift got
Speaker 2: you know, jolted, jilted by Kanye And do you now
Speaker 2: think about her crazy success and that thing that happened
Speaker 2: with the phone call and like all of it, like
Speaker 2: this full circle situation.
Speaker 1: What do you think of that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm actually really cool with Taylor Swift.
Speaker 4: She's she My oldest son, Sebastian is like obsessed with her.
Speaker 3: She sent him like.
Speaker 4: A whole media package and backstage passes and he met her,
Speaker 4: you know, a couple of years ago when he was
Speaker 4: younger really in the pictures. Yeah, so cute, and she
Speaker 4: was so gracious and nice, and I had an opportunity
Speaker 4: to talk to her mom and her family, and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's great, that's awesome.
Speaker 4: I think that you know, look, we've all made mistakes,
Speaker 4: especially in our younger years, and we can look back,
Speaker 4: we can cring, we can be like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: I can't believe this happened.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 4: When you get older and you look back and you're
Speaker 4: just like, fuck, that was that was That was the time.
Speaker 4: That was definitely a time and you might cringe, you
Speaker 4: might be happy, or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 3: But I think we all got older.
Speaker 4: And you know, I definitely have kids, Kanye has kids.
Speaker 4: We all been through marriages and divorces and you know, life,
Speaker 4: and you know, it definitely was a big deal in
Speaker 4: pop culture at the time, but I think everyone kind
Speaker 4: of grew up and grew out of that.
Speaker 1: So so you're cool with Tailor and you're cool with Kanye.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't say that I'm cool with Kanye. I
Speaker 3: don't think about him, and there's be it's like I'm
Speaker 3: indifferent so it's.
Speaker 2: It's clean, it's nothing, got it? And then tell just
Speaker 2: about here you have like an effort, like a charity
Speaker 2: that you work on, or an activism about people being
Speaker 2: like slut shamed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's my SlutWalk. I'm no longer doing my SlutWalk.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: Flootwalk was originally about women that were raped and sexually assaulted.
Speaker 4: One woman was raped on a college campus and the
Speaker 4: cops said, well, if you weren't dressed like a slut,
Speaker 4: you wouldn't have gotten raped, and so these girls had
Speaker 4: essentially a SlutWalk dressed provocatively. It was just like, this
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that I want you to rape me, Like
Speaker 4: this is absolutely ridiculous.
Speaker 3: So I did that. I do feel like.
Speaker 4: My SlutWalk turned into something that I wasn't proud of,
Speaker 4: and I didn't want to stick behind anymore happy to
Speaker 4: talk about this, because you know, my initial SlutWalk was
Speaker 4: everything I wanted it to be.
Speaker 3: But then it turned into more modern day feminism. It
Speaker 3: just turned into like I don't care if you've married,
Speaker 3: I'm still going to sleep with him because you got.
Speaker 2: My bad bitch sleptwalk, instead of like yeah victim, yeah
Speaker 2: all right, Well thank you so much. I'll let you go,
Speaker 2: but I'm happy for you. And say hi to your
Speaker 2: beautiful sons.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.
Speaker 1: I'm your dog.
Speaker 2: Frankie. Frankie, Frankie. Yeah, say hi to Frankie.
Speaker 4: I will have a great day.
Speaker 3: Bye.
Speaker 1: Thanks,