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Speaker 1: Oh my god, Hi, Hi, how are you. I'm good.

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Speaker 1: I love you.

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Speaker 2: I don't remember if the last time I saw you

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Speaker 2: that I feel like I'm friends with in my head,

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Speaker 2: like I know you because I just have good memories

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Speaker 2: of you, and I can't even I feel like I

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Speaker 2: know you or we're friends. But I've met you only

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Speaker 2: a couple times. And do you remember the first time

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Speaker 2: we met? Because I know you were on my show,

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Speaker 2: but I feel like I knew you before that.

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Speaker 1: I might get a party or something.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Oh good, you like me.

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Speaker 2: You have no idea, but you know you know me

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Speaker 2: right of course, right, like we know each other, but

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Speaker 2: I don't have I mean, we both blacked out, honestly.

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Speaker 4: I just think that, you know, we just probably run

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Speaker 4: into so many people so often that like, you know,

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Speaker 4: it's not like and sometimes I feel bad because they're like.

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Speaker 3: You remember me from this and from that, I'm like,

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Speaker 3: oh my god, I'm sorry.

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Speaker 1: I know likewise, but I like you.

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Speaker 2: I've always liked you, and I'm really excited that you're

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Speaker 2: here and to chat with you. And I'm a little

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Speaker 2: like hazy today because I woke up. Do you ever

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Speaker 2: wake up, like, do you get anxiety?

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Speaker 1: I read it.

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Speaker 2: I was reading everything about you, and I woke up today.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes it happens at night, but this morning I woke

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Speaker 2: up with generalized anxiety. Like it wasn't about anything specific.

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Speaker 2: I was just like, I'm anxious, and I feel like

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Speaker 3: Yeah, every single morning for me ractly.

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Speaker 4: And I talk to my friend a lot on the

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so I like exhaust myself. I like do so much.

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Speaker 4: During the day, so I could just fall asleep at

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Speaker 3: Just my heart beats out of my chest.

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Speaker 4: Wow, And like I try to find a reason and

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Speaker 4: there's just no reason.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you can indulge it or try to not.

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Speaker 2: And it's funny because sometimes you're tired and you drink

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Speaker 2: the coffee. And I forced myself to go in the

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Speaker 1: It did calm the lambs down a little.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I do the gym five days a week.

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Speaker 1: I have to, so it makes a big difference.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I go straight to the gym. Wow it

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Speaker 1: So you have two you have two sons? Okay? How

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Speaker 3: Or an eleven?

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Speaker 2: How is motherhood like? Do you feel like you have

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I feel like that most of my anxiety probably

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Speaker 3: But she was right. I mean I think that.

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Speaker 4: You think of the worst possible scenario every single day,

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Speaker 4: Most of my anxiety comes from, just thinking about something

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Speaker 2: It's interesting mine is not. That's a piece of it.

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Speaker 2: But it's funny you say that because I was talking

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Speaker 1: And a and you know how like when you're wondering.

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Speaker 2: And she said, I rode my bike And I said

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Speaker 2: And I was like ruined my whole day in morning,

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Speaker 2: It's like it's like it's like a police man following

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Speaker 2: were partying way.

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Speaker 2: And now we're getting into the high school age and

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Speaker 3: No, I get it. I get it.

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Speaker 4: And even just heartbreaks, like you know, Sebastian's eleven, he

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Speaker 4: kind of being mean to him, and like, you know,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw my video last week

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Speaker 2: dresses very age appropriate, she's very and I just you know,

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Speaker 2: these days, you're careful about what you'll say on social media.

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Speaker 2: You're a little more tempered, right, And I just literally

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Speaker 3: And it's so funny because I'm forty now.

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Speaker 4: So like my my elementary school years were in the

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Speaker 3: Sure, and I'll fight you, and my mom's gonna fight

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Speaker 1: Totally one hundred percent. Think of it.

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Speaker 2: I read about you and you experienced bullying, and like,

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Speaker 2: we can't wrap them in bubble wrap. You're a tough

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Speaker 2: bitch because you're a tough bitch. So like, what's that

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Speaker 1: So what about that?

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Speaker 4: Well it's true, but I mean I grew up in

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Speaker 4: right because I don't fight them, they will constantly bully

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Speaker 3: So you have your mom.

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Speaker 4: There to make sure no one jumps in, and I

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Speaker 4: just I can't imagine my kids going through that.

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Speaker 3: You know, it was like you don't think about.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but it was just the culture. And now with

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Speaker 4: And just with the next generation, it's like you don't

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Speaker 4: But also at the same time, it's like, are they

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Speaker 2: It's like it's a living, breathing organism. You still have

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, so what are you doing now?

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Speaker 4: And obviously my podcast, I hope they're not listening with

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Speaker 4: I had a girl come on. She was a part

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Speaker 2: So that's very podcasting though, that's very neat.

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Speaker 1: I like that, it's like very niche and who's vetting

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Speaker 2: It's your natural curiosity or a combination between you and

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I sit with them and I just tell

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Speaker 4: them things that I'm into, and like they, you know,

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, yes, I want to talk to her.

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Speaker 4: Another guy, Terry Lovelace, he was abducted by aliens in

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Speaker 4: nineteen seventy nine. He worked in the Air Force, and

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Speaker 4: his story is absolutely crazy. He was up on the ship.

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Speaker 4: I definitely went into it with a delusional mind state

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Speaker 4: Let's just say that you so, I I'm just a

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Speaker 2: So I get and I get that because while you know,

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Speaker 4: Ultimately, and I can only speak for myself, this is

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Speaker 4: Maybe I will go and have dinner, but that's as

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Speaker 2: to always be grabbing for credit on small things, but

440
00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 2: you do deserve credit if you've done something or created value.

441
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:42,160
Speaker 2: It's your intellectual property.

442
00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 4: So I mean, I don't need the actual credit. Just

443
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 4: pay me, pay me for what i've I've done. I

444
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 4: don't need the c I don't need my name on shit.

445
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,360
Speaker 4: I don't care about the accolades of that. That's not

446
00:21:56,960 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 4: that's not something that like means something to me, you know.

447
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,399
Speaker 4: And I think that the misconception is that people think

448
00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 4: that there was some type of conversation before and there

449
00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 4: was not. I didn't find out things until later, and

450
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:16,280
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh, so what happened was that Nicki was

451
00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 4: an up and coming artist. I had already been famous

452
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:21,960
Speaker 4: at the time I ran into her. She had a

453
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 4: little bit of buzz at the time. And I went

454
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 4: to the studio studio with her on a separate occasion,

455
00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:32,119
Speaker 4: and I'm like, oh my god, this girl is so talented.

456
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,040
Speaker 3: Wow, like unbelievable.

457
00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:39,800
Speaker 4: So I went to Kanye at the time and I said,

458
00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 4: you got to meet this girl, Nicki Minaj. She's super talented.

459
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, like, just have her come in the studio.

460
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 4: Thinks she might be good to be on Monster, you know.

461
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:50,960
Speaker 3: Just give it a try.

462
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:56,320
Speaker 4: Wow. Very reluctant because he hadn't heard of her at

463
00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:56,680
Speaker 4: the time.

464
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:57,600
Speaker 3: It's so long time ago.

465
00:22:58,240 --> 00:22:58,480
Speaker 1: Wow.

466
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,280
Speaker 3: And then she came in the studio and she she

467
00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 3: killed it.

468
00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 4: So I don't necessarily need credit for that, because if

469
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 4: she was a whack artist, he would have never used it.

470
00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:12,440
Speaker 4: But because she is a writer and a lyricist and

471
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:13,680
Speaker 4: she is who she is.

472
00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,479
Speaker 2: That's insane. That's an insane story. I mean, she's Nicki Minaj.

473
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:19,840
Speaker 2: That's a major story.

474
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's crazy ethany For me, I don't care because

475
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:26,680
Speaker 4: she did that.

476
00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 3: I put two and two together. But ultimately she did that,

477
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 3: and they create.

478
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 1: You No, but that what are you talking that?

479
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: But that's what an agent does or a manager. They

480
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:38,000
Speaker 2: put things together. They're not doing it they put it

481
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 2: together and then they take a piece, So yeah, but

482
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,240
Speaker 2: have you And it wasn't even something that that would

483
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 2: have been weird for you to say, can I have

484
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 2: this in writing? Because she had no leverage, like she

485
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,439
Speaker 2: wasn't anybody, You weren't bringing somebody major. So it was like, right, yeah,

486
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 2: that's fucked up.

487
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:55,199
Speaker 1: I get it.

488
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd be that would irritate me too. And what

489
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 2: is well, she must have knowledge, not that it's about her,

490
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,640
Speaker 2: but she must acknowledge that that happened.

491
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 4: Well, she put my name in the verse that she

492
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 4: that she used. Right, all credit is due to Niki.

493
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 4: And I'm not just saying that to try to be

494
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,719
Speaker 4: like politically correct. I didn't do it for the credit.

495
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,040
Speaker 4: I didn't do it for money. I literally was never

496
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 4: talking about that. I was talking about the actual whole album,

497
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:27,720
Speaker 4: not just.

498
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:28,480
Speaker 3: Not that song.

499
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 4: So I don't credit or money for doing that, because

500
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 4: I did it because she deserved it.

501
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 2: And oh yeah, at the time, it sounds like you

502
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: put two people together, but when something pops off, you

503
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,680
Speaker 2: feel like, yeah, get me a taste, and a taste

504
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: I get it, and not just that song.

505
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 1: I get what you're saying.

506
00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:48,440
Speaker 2: It's just interesting that that's a major story to put

507
00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,960
Speaker 2: Nicki Minaj and Kanye West. That alone is a pretty

508
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 2: major story to me. What I really relate to about

509
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:59,600
Speaker 2: you is the pandemic, like putting you in a little

510
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: bit of a because I don't I'm a very Something

511
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: that surprises people about me that they don't really realize

512
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: is the level of homebody that I am ready to

513
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 2: begin with, the level of insular and difficulty it is

514
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 2: for me to get out. And so the pandemic was

515
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,160
Speaker 2: like indulging that full on and then it was hard

516
00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 2: to come out of that. So how did the pandemic

517
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 2: affect you? In your anxiety and all the you know

518
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,400
Speaker 2: lamb screaming in your head.

519
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:32,120
Speaker 4: Dealing with you know, having a newborn and then right

520
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 4: after that the pandemic hit.

521
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: So I got all these.

522
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:43,240
Speaker 4: Emotions, all these hormones, you know, raising a newborn baby,

523
00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 4: trying to breastfeed, trying not to cry, and.

524
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,480
Speaker 3: Be like, what the fuck did I get myself into?

525
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,919
Speaker 2: In your head too, because you're in your house. You

526
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: can't even like that, Wow.

527
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 4: I can't even go and you know, think about it,

528
00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:02,119
Speaker 4: even trying to just get my body after pregnancy, you know,

529
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 4: at that time.

530
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 3: Everyone's like, if you go outside, you're gonna die. That's

531
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:07,880
Speaker 3: on the news.

532
00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 4: And then I'm like, well, I don't want to go outside.

533
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 4: Bring COVID into my house. I have a newborn baby.

534
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:13,360
Speaker 4: I'm scared.

535
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 3: You know.

536
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,919
Speaker 4: Maybe I'll do a couple of workouts in my front yard.

537
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 4: But other than that, I mean, it was a very

538
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 4: difficult time for me.

539
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: How is your co parenting going good?

540
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 4: I mean, listen, I am the queen of co parenting

541
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 4: because I don't talk about that.

542
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,879
Speaker 3: I don't talk about the past. I don't talk about

543
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 3: what was done to me.

544
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:39,520
Speaker 4: I don't talk about who my son's fathers are dating,

545
00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 4: who they're with, where are they at. I am all

546
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 4: about my children. When are you going to pick them up,

547
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 4: what's the schedule, When are you going to bring them back?

548
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,399
Speaker 3: Where are they going? What I need, what you need?

549
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:56,119
Speaker 3: And that's it. Like, I'm very transactional. It's all about

550
00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: the children and there's nothing in Yeah, I'll just leave.

551
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: It all about transactional.

552
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,679
Speaker 2: So you're spending most of your time podcasting and you're modeling,

553
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: and you feel like you're in a good place in

554
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 2: your life, like your career is where you want it

555
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 2: to be other things you want to do that you're

556
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 2: not doing.

557
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 3: I'm working on a lot of beauty stuff and a

558
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:33,399
Speaker 3: lot of a lot of cool things.

559
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:38,639
Speaker 4: So yes, soon we can do another interview later, or

560
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 4: maybe you can do an interview.

561
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 3: For my podcast of course, stuff that you're into.

562
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 1: I would love to. I would love to, of course.

563
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,800
Speaker 2: And with the blow up, I also didn't know, see

564
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 2: I I don't know that much about pop culture and

565
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 2: things that go on, which is the girls who are

566
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 2: on here they tell me a lot. I didn't know

567
00:27:57,040 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 2: that you were in the audience with the tailor swing

568
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: to think like you're in the middle somehow amber Rose

569
00:28:02,800 --> 00:28:03,920
Speaker 2: is like where's Waldo?

570
00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:05,000
Speaker 1: You're like in the middle.

571
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:08,200
Speaker 2: So you were in the audience when Taylor Swift got

572
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:13,200
Speaker 2: you know, jolted, jilted by Kanye And do you now

573
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,199
Speaker 2: think about her crazy success and that thing that happened

574
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,280
Speaker 2: with the phone call and like all of it, like

575
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 2: this full circle situation.

576
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: What do you think of that?

577
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm actually really cool with Taylor Swift.

578
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,240
Speaker 4: She's she My oldest son, Sebastian is like obsessed with her.

579
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 3: She sent him like.

580
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 4: A whole media package and backstage passes and he met her,

581
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:38,200
Speaker 4: you know, a couple of years ago when he was

582
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 4: younger really in the pictures. Yeah, so cute, and she

583
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,560
Speaker 4: was so gracious and nice, and I had an opportunity

584
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:49,360
Speaker 4: to talk to her mom and her family, and.

585
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's great, that's awesome.

586
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 4: I think that you know, look, we've all made mistakes,

587
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 4: especially in our younger years, and we can look back,

588
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 4: we can cring, we can be like, oh my god,

589
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 4: I can't believe this happened.

590
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: I think that.

591
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,800
Speaker 4: When you get older and you look back and you're

592
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: just like, fuck, that was that was That was the time.

593
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 4: That was definitely a time and you might cringe, you

594
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 4: might be happy, or whatever the case may be.

595
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 3: But I think we all got older.

596
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 4: And you know, I definitely have kids, Kanye has kids.

597
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:27,400
Speaker 4: We all been through marriages and divorces and you know, life,

598
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,680
Speaker 4: and you know, it definitely was a big deal in

599
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 4: pop culture at the time, but I think everyone kind

600
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,560
Speaker 4: of grew up and grew out of that.

601
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 1: So so you're cool with Tailor and you're cool with Kanye.

602
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:46,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wouldn't say that I'm cool with Kanye. I

603
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 3: don't think about him, and there's be it's like I'm

604
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,160
Speaker 3: indifferent so it's.

605
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 2: It's clean, it's nothing, got it? And then tell just

606
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: about here you have like an effort, like a charity

607
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 2: that you work on, or an activism about people being

608
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: like slut shamed.

609
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's my SlutWalk. I'm no longer doing my SlutWalk.

610
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: Okay.

611
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 4: Flootwalk was originally about women that were raped and sexually assaulted.

612
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 4: One woman was raped on a college campus and the

613
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 4: cops said, well, if you weren't dressed like a slut,

614
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 4: you wouldn't have gotten raped, and so these girls had

615
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: essentially a SlutWalk dressed provocatively. It was just like, this

616
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that I want you to rape me, Like

617
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 4: this is absolutely ridiculous.

618
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 3: So I did that. I do feel like.

619
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 4: My SlutWalk turned into something that I wasn't proud of,

620
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 4: and I didn't want to stick behind anymore happy to

621
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 4: talk about this, because you know, my initial SlutWalk was

622
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 4: everything I wanted it to be.

623
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: But then it turned into more modern day feminism. It

624
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 3: just turned into like I don't care if you've married,

625
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 3: I'm still going to sleep with him because you got.

626
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 2: My bad bitch sleptwalk, instead of like yeah victim, yeah

627
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: all right, Well thank you so much. I'll let you go,

628
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 2: but I'm happy for you. And say hi to your

629
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 2: beautiful sons.

630
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

631
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: I'm your dog.

632
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: Frankie. Frankie, Frankie. Yeah, say hi to Frankie.

633
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 4: I will have a great day.

634
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 3: Bye.

635
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 1: Thanks,