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Speaker 1: her because she won the Best New Female Artist, which

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Speaker 1: crazy thing with her was, she's so good and I'm

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Speaker 1: and she would sing the saddest songs, but then she

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Speaker 1: to make them laugh with jokes. She played that song

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Speaker 1: But she she played this right before I come on

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Speaker 1: to know kid. You put this earlier in the set.

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Speaker 1: Put this song to give us some super califries and

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Speaker 1: list to get the end. Let's get them up. But

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Speaker 1: up in a little bit too. We'll also do our

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Speaker 1: movie review of pop Star Never Stop Popping, Never Stop

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Speaker 1: Stopping with it. Yeah, Andy Sandberg, we do a music movie.

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Speaker 1: We try to do one a month. And then finally,

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Speaker 1: if you love podcasts, I always like to bring on

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Speaker 1: if I can a podcast that I love, and Lilyan

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Speaker 1: Cunningham from Presidential is gonna be talking with us and

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Speaker 1: we talk about some presidential stuff and cool facts about

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Speaker 1: out that podcast. So um, I feel like we have

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Speaker 1: a pretty good show. Again. This is kind of a

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Speaker 1: For sure. We don't announce them yet, not yet. Are

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Speaker 1: All right, thank you guys for listening. Let's let's get

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Speaker 1: into the new music top five this week. Here are

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Speaker 1: and we'll talk to him later. Tucker Bethred released his

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Speaker 1: verything to get met. Silvio Man Soul Ucky see you

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Speaker 1: It's called Getting Over Him, but it's also the name

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Speaker 1: Phil it was like he was like, yeah, man, I'm

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Speaker 1: I remember Amy going, Oh my God. But let's Lauren

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Speaker 1: Atlanta's new song. At number four, getting over Him, Josh

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Speaker 1: Tim mcgrawl released his Whole album Here on Earth. It's

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Speaker 1: Is this song called Sherley Crow or Cheryl Carroll Crow? Okay, correct? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: But he so he has a song called Sheryl Crow.

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Speaker 1: like naming the school after somebody you know. With me

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Speaker 1: Number one, this week. Brothers Osborne, they dropped the title

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Speaker 1: I love these guys. Here is Skeleton's came to Jesus.

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Speaker 1: More new songs out today. I'll just run through some

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Speaker 1: guys know. Albums or EPs like collections of music. This week,

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Speaker 1: the debut album from Maya Hawk. She's a daughter of

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Speaker 1: Eyes has a new album called Down in the Weed. Well,

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Speaker 1: I Like bright Eyes, his first album since two thousand eleven.

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Speaker 1: Imploring the Mirage. It's their sixth album and their first

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Speaker 1: can only get with with me playing not you know,

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00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: and and many songs you just it it's just as

425
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,959
Speaker 1: me as as I can make them. And there's certain

426
00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,119
Speaker 1: unique just ways of in certain riffs or drums that

427
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: you know you can't get with. And sometimes you gotta

428
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 1: have like make it sound not as perfect as you

429
00:24:11,960 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 1: know the cliche they would say, it's perfect, um, just

430
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: for the character aspect. And I don't know, it's have

431
00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 1: fun building the songs and and produces putting the pieces

432
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 1: together by myself. Really, I'll play some of the track

433
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: that I really liked. It stood out to me was

434
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: track five on the project called Papertown. Here's the clip

435
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:49,360
Speaker 1: of that and wis little Well feel let paint dr Pa.

436
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: So tell me about that. You walked into the writing room,

437
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: you Phillow, Donald, Monty, Chris Waller sitting around, how in

438
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 1: the world is Papertown come up as a concept? And

439
00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: tell me about that? Then Monty Criswell, Um, I mean

440
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,719
Speaker 1: Phil too, But Monty Teoswell was one of those guys

441
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:12,359
Speaker 1: that that he just he just has like titles that

442
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,840
Speaker 1: I do, like just titles that that are so unique

443
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 1: and just so good. And then so he's just and

444
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: I'm usually the one who who will always have like

445
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 1: music for for when for and and he just said

446
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:29,960
Speaker 1: that title and then man, that's kind of a cool,

447
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:33,479
Speaker 1: that's cool idea. And I had that roots in that field,

448
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,280
Speaker 1: that kind of shuffle feeling. We just really wanted to

449
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 1: write it around there couse, that's just just just wanting

450
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,359
Speaker 1: to you know, kind of just dits the town and

451
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,880
Speaker 1: and have something to prove them and that just kind

452
00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:50,360
Speaker 1: of have that young love attitude and um as a

453
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: as a soul. That's that's that's one of my favorite

454
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: ones too. We because it's only one on the album

455
00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 1: that has that stuffle like field, which was kind of

456
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: is good addition to the whole project. I want to

457
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,120
Speaker 1: walk to a couple more tracks real quick, and I'll

458
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: do I ain't without you. Um, you wrote this one

459
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: of the person you can tell me about who you

460
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 1: wrote it with and tell me what the song is

461
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: about that. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, we got you. Oh sorry, yeah, Now,

462
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,840
Speaker 1: I mean that that's the that's the one that really, um,

463
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:26,879
Speaker 1: that's all right there is the one that really finally

464
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 1: made me feel like the whole project came full and

465
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: was in was complete. I mean it's um, it's it's

466
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: written after UM from the experience of my little brother

467
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: passing Aron and just the idea of the strength that

468
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 1: I said in my face in the Lord and I

469
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 1: was the only one that you could really I could

470
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: really take that idea too and write that with. And

471
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,720
Speaker 1: I wanted to write it with. Was was about that

472
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 1: because we're both going through the same thing. And and

473
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: that's the that's really the song that that to me

474
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: put a put the cap on the album and it

475
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:10,640
Speaker 1: finally felt like he was ready. One more track, this

476
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 1: is called Faithful. This is track eleven. Love this one

477
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 1: to check this one out? What have beens? Just too hot? Yeah?

478
00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: All right, this is the last track. I'm gonna have

479
00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: a comment on Tucker tell me about Faithful here. Yeah,

480
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 1: it's uh, it's that's kind of the song that's set

481
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,800
Speaker 1: tone for from a lot of my career. I mean,

482
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,720
Speaker 1: aside from from rock on obviously, but but that song

483
00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 1: was one in like put out on YouTube cousty like

484
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 1: just so um live perform with the and and it

485
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,840
Speaker 1: kind of just took off and and um, everybody's been

486
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: following me is familiar with it and been waiting for it,

487
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: and and it's kind of a cool. It's cool because

488
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: this project is is such a special project for me,

489
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: and it's like a timeline and a journey, it's really flexible,

490
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: a journey that I've had so far as an artist,

491
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: and that song it's kind of where a lot of

492
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:24,199
Speaker 1: it started. And so it's cool to have songs like

493
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,239
Speaker 1: I Hate with that You're in face Um on the

494
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:32,679
Speaker 1: same project because they're both just marked they significant times

495
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:37,320
Speaker 1: in my life and career. It's cool to finally have

496
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: have be able to put out this album because this

497
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: is my first album released with the record label, which

498
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: is which is crazy, but it's it's sets. It's called King,

499
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 1: you know. I know in December, the whole town was

500
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: hurting for you. Man, Um, you know when your brother

501
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 1: passed away and you actually named the record after your brother.

502
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: It's his middle it was his middle name, right, and

503
00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: that decision, yeah, who who? Who? Did you kind of

504
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,000
Speaker 1: walk through that decision with your dad? Brothers? No, Man,

505
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: it was really just kind of telling my own say.

506
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: I mean, because a whole project just started feeling because

507
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: a lot of this projects was recorded at some time.

508
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: I've incinditely released that my previous records, that Nobody's Everything.

509
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: I still had this whole half and it was gonna

510
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: be like a part two thing. But then I just

511
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: started to write new songs and experience and new things,

512
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 1: and and it just kind of grew started feeling like

513
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: it just grew into its own project and it's own

514
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: separate thing. And specifically when that happened, Um, it was like, yeah, man,

515
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: this is a totally different chapter for me and and

516
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: my brother played since been rolling and and including me

517
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: as as a person and as an artist. Um with

518
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,040
Speaker 1: his time on earth and and is continuing his legacy

519
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,360
Speaker 1: continue and could do that to me while he's in heaven.

520
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: And you know, I just wanted a piece of him

521
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: forefront of this project because special to me, and I

522
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: know he's he's if anyone which is happy for me

523
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,360
Speaker 1: more than never, he's he's the one. He's only my

524
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 1: biggest support. So I've got three questions. I'm gonna let

525
00:30:17,400 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: you go. They're all pretty suret Questions. Number one is

526
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 1: I was looking at uh as I was finding some

527
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: of these tracks to be able to listen to fully,

528
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 1: not just you know, to hear the samples that the

529
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 1: label sends me. And I was looking for rock on

530
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: the song from back in the day, it's not on it.

531
00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 1: I couldn't find on a streaming service. Do you pull

532
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: you pull? I didn't do that. That that's a that's

533
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: um um previous record label. When I think they kind

534
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: of got offended when what I decided I wanted just

535
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 1: sept split ways with him, and and so they kind

536
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: of took down the five songs that are released with them,

537
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: which you know, to be honest, I was pretty I

538
00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: was pretty happy about it. I'm not gonna lie just because,

539
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 1: like man if if I now I probably finally got

540
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: the freedom that I want as an artist, Like this

541
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: is how I want to start now. So it's like

542
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: a whole clean slate. So alright. The second thing I

543
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: was online and just as a personal story, I tried

544
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: to you know, we have the B Team now, which

545
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: is a bunch of our listeners that come together to

546
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,720
Speaker 1: do good things for others. Um, before it was the

547
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: B Team, I tried the Boners and they didn't like that. Um,

548
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 1: but you have the Mother Tuckers now was there? What

549
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: did your folks say about when you said, hey, we're

550
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: gonna do the Mother Tuckers. I mean I think I

551
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 1: was surprised, surprised, and I think everybody was kind of

552
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: bored with it. I mean I remember me, me and

553
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: my brothers growing up. We had a little band and

554
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: we were always thinking of names, and I always wanted

555
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: mother mother Tucker and and they obviously like it that's

556
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,280
Speaker 1: too much as just you you know, um, and how

557
00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: that's got my own It's like, of course I'm finally

558
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:08,479
Speaker 1: got to name Alright, final question, what flavor of toaster Strudel?

559
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: Will you be pursuing? Man, You know, whatever catches my hold,

560
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: but I usually gravitate towards the straw the blueberry. Yeah,

561
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: the berries. I'm a big red guy. Cherry strawberry. If

562
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 1: it's red, it all takes the same to me anyway,

563
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: So red makes me feel better. All right. There he is,

564
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: Tucker be I love the guy. I love loves music.

565
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 1: Um at Tucker Bethard on Instagram. It's thirteen tracks. It's

566
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 1: called King. Go check it out, go go sample. I

567
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 1: find a few tracks. We went through some of them

568
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 1: here today, but there there's a lot. The guy definitely

569
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: has a voice. He says something specific. You may love it,

570
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: you may hate it, but you're you're gonna understand what

571
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: he's saying. Um And I can always appreciate that from

572
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: an artist, Tucker. So it's good to talk to you,

573
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: and hopefully i'll see uh see you around pretty soon. Yeah, man,

574
00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: good talk to you. Thanks for having me, all right,

575
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: see Tucker. Alright, So we all had the homework assignment

576
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: to watch that movie pop Star with Andy Sandburr. As

577
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 1: about once a month will watch a music movie and

578
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: review it. What was the last one we did? Wrd

579
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: uh This one pop Star is just m When I

580
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,080
Speaker 1: watched it, I just thought it was the kind of

581
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: a mockumentary on two things, one the Justin Bieber documentary,

582
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 1: because I think that happened around that time, and then

583
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 1: to just boy bands and pop music in general. I

584
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: think it was a mix of those two. Mike, how

585
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 1: do you feel about about that description? Pretty good? Yeah? Um,

586
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: First of all, before we get into anything about it,

587
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 1: did you like Pop Star, Mike? I liked it. I

588
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: thought it was funny. I liked the parody genre, and

589
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 1: I just like Andy Samberg a lot. The parody gen

590
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 1: remain in the movie. Yeah, the parody movie. So yes, Eddie,

591
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: what do you think? Look? Man, it was stupid, Like

592
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: it was truly a stupid, dumb movie. But I laughed

593
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: probably the entire time. The songs were great. I think

594
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 1: just the funny storyline was I do. I laughed at

595
00:33:58,200 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: L O L and then after I would laugh, I

596
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 1: would say this is so dumb. I mean, I thought

597
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: it was a pretty smart movie on how it parodied

598
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,239
Speaker 1: a lot of the dumb things in pop music that

599
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: we just take and go, yep, this is the greatest

600
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,880
Speaker 1: thing ever. Um. I loved it. I was one of

601
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 1: the best mocumentaries I've ever seen. I mean also because

602
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,279
Speaker 1: I grew up in that era of boy bands and

603
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: they were making fun of that. I mean I I

604
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: thought it was so good, not just because it was stupid.

605
00:34:27,480 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: I thought it was just a really good, um sample

606
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: of how dumb we were in that whole late nineties

607
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 1: early two thousands period. Um, So I really loved. I

608
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:38,799
Speaker 1: didn't think I was gonna like it as much as

609
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: I did, but about a third of the way through it,

610
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, yeah, this is a contender for

611
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 1: one of my favorites so as far as like a

612
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: funny mockumentary movies go. And then I like just all

613
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 1: the other things they the other things they parried outside

614
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: from like the boy band stuff of like the Tyler

615
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,440
Speaker 1: the Creator thing of Hunter the Hungary that like the

616
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: biggest thing, and like, okay, we'll bring him on this tour.

617
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:01,359
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, I like that aspect of it too,

618
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: And even like the un the Hungry was playing clubs,

619
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 1: like they go into this he's the Tyler of the Creator,

620
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 1: but he's doing all right, yeah, and then they they're

621
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 1: like vff's on stage. And then even the uh you know,

622
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: the helmet with the dead mouse. But you know, but

623
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: his buddy who used to be in the band now

624
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: is just his DJ, and he puts the helmet on

625
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:23,719
Speaker 1: him with the light to cover him up. They were

626
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: just there were a lot of those that I think

627
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: you probably got a lot of them a watching, but

628
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 1: if you watch it again, I bet you would catch

629
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: even more of them. And then the with him putting

630
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:33,359
Speaker 1: his music inside the appliances. That was like the UTU

631
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 1: thing where they put everybody's their album on iTunes. They

632
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: opened the fridge and at midnight whenever it comes out,

633
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 1: people are chunking their fridges out the door because they're

634
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: so upset by the fact that his music is in

635
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: their fridge. Um. I thought the songs were so funny.

636
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: I don't have a list of the song, but the

637
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: one that pulls up is my mind has the been

638
00:35:53,400 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 1: laden one. He's America, he's on stage and he's doing

639
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: his little in sync thing whatever, and then this girl

640
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: where she's dressed sexy, the all of a sudden she's

641
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: gotta be in long Beard. Then the next he's gotta

642
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,319
Speaker 1: be the full thing. Here's some of that. You don't

643
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: have that one? Oh yeah, that one was funny? Is

644
00:36:15,480 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: that because that was too bad? Yeah? Pretty bad, But

645
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: I mean I'm so humbles funny. Yeah, I am the

646
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,080
Speaker 1: most humble in the song I do with Michael Bolton.

647
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:34,520
Speaker 1: Yeah this is the in song right yeah yeah yeah.

648
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: Um again. And when you start talking about a funny movie,

649
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,000
Speaker 1: you appreciate it even more because you laugh again at

650
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: the parts um that maybe you didn't spend enough time with.

651
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 1: I think to me a really funny part was they're

652
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: having this real awkward conversation about how terrible his records

653
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,000
Speaker 1: doing and his manager, who is uh Tim Meadows again,

654
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,680
Speaker 1: yeah that's all right, and so Tim Meadows is in it,

655
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: and he's like, hey man, it's not gonna be good it.

656
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,439
Speaker 1: So Andy Sambral looks over with the camera and goes, hey,

657
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: can do you guys just top with the cameras, and

658
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: so they put the cameras down, and then all of

659
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: a sudden they're getting attacked by a bee and there's

660
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: a blow too and all this stuff, but the cameras

661
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 1: aren't up, and you're just hearing him screamed the whole time,

662
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,319
Speaker 1: and and all this stuff. It's like, oh my god,

663
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: the bee's wearing and so, and then it finishes and

664
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: he kills whatever. It's crazy and he goes, hey, you

665
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:21,960
Speaker 1: guys got on a camera right, and they're like, no, dude,

666
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 1: you turn to turn it off, Like come on, that's

667
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: so funny. There's like explosions, World War three And what

668
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 1: was a part of it that you loved? I mean,

669
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: the part I really laughed was the wardrobe malfunction, I mean,

670
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: the whole tough thing situation. And then it messes up

671
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 1: and he's got nothing there and he's like, I promise,

672
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: and then he goes over to Hunter the Hungry or

673
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: Hunry the Hungry. He's like, did you do it? Because

674
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: they were playing jokes? Did you do it? He goes nah,

675
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: or did I? No? No, no I didn't, but maybe

676
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 1: I did, And it just doesn't stop. It was kind

677
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: of that family guy humor where it's funny but and

678
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: then it starts to get old, but if you just

679
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 1: keep beating it, it it gets funnier again. Listen. I loved it.

680
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 1: I love music documentaries. I love really funny parodies on

681
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:19,200
Speaker 1: on documentaries. I just for me, I loved it. I

682
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,040
Speaker 1: would give it. I'm gonna say at five out of five,

683
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: I was gonna go. I went four and a half

684
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 1: on the show, but I was thinking about it last night.

685
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: I felt like I was just doing that because I

686
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: don't want to get judged. But five out of five,

687
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: uh popsicles. Since it's pop Star, Um, I thought it

688
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: was great. I don't think that it's for everybody, and

689
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: I think you can watch it and be like, well,

690
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 1: this is so dumb, and it is dumb, but I

691
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: think it's done in a way that it's doing dumb

692
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 1: things because we believe they were real and smart, and

693
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: that it's just making us like, hey, if you love

694
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: this back in the day, you're dumb, like we're doing

695
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 1: right now. Um. But yeah, yeah, he leaves a boy band.

696
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: The story is I kind of set it up real quick.

697
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: Andy Sandberg's in a trio, like a boy band trio,

698
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: and he's gotta go solo. This was their big song.

699
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:06,440
Speaker 1: It's funny too when ushers like, my only goal was

700
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,799
Speaker 1: to be able to do the donkey roll with the

701
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: The Lord of the Names the Boys style boys, and

702
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 1: then they're all doing the donkey roll on the stage. Um.

703
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: And then he leaves in does a solo record, and

704
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 1: it's how successful a solo record gonna be and he's

705
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: doing a documentary about how big and massive it's going

706
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:26,200
Speaker 1: to be except things go wildly wrong, and um, I

707
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: gave it five out of five. Mike, I gave it

708
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 1: four out of five. I kind of ranked it as

709
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: far as my favorite Andy Samberg movies, so I put

710
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: it right up there. What what um is better? Hot Rod?

711
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:38,759
Speaker 1: I've never seen it. That's a good one. And then

712
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 1: I just watched his movie Palm Springs on Hulu. That

713
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: one's really good. Anyway you rate this, man, I would

714
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,880
Speaker 1: go with a solid music mockumentary. I would give it

715
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 1: four poppies out of five. But again, again, dude, the

716
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: whole time like this is so dumb, But like you said,

717
00:39:56,320 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: it's so, it's really good and it's smart. I feel

718
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,799
Speaker 1: like it didn't do that well in theaters, but I

719
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: think that it's kind of developed a call following, Um,

720
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 1: what's the next movie we should do? Think about that

721
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,760
Speaker 1: before the I just saw Rocket Man. Well you can't

722
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: yell one out that you've already seen. Yeah, No, I'm

723
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: just saying that. Last time we talked about it is

724
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,760
Speaker 1: like I hadn't watched it yet. So I watched Rocket Man. Um, Yeah,

725
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: ohh yeah, it was fine. It was fine. But I

726
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: also watched straight at Compton too. And this is all

727
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,200
Speaker 1: during quarantine. You know, a lot of a lot of

728
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 1: stuff to movies to watch. Let me look and find something.

729
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,160
Speaker 1: It will have a month to watch it, and then

730
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 1: we'll come back and talk about it. All right, Bones,

731
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,080
Speaker 1: It's funny you said the Justin Bieber on this because

732
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: I felt a lot like it was the Jonas Brothers documentary,

733
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: because since it's three of them, and then you know,

734
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 1: like Kevin goes to raise his family and in this case,

735
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:48,960
Speaker 1: this guy goes to the farm. But like it's almost

736
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: and then you know who is it. Joe and Nick

737
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: kind of stayed together a little bit, so I saw

738
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: a little more similarities to Jonas than I did Bieber. Well,

739
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,440
Speaker 1: the Bieber documentary was out at that point, Like I

740
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: think that's what the documentary part of it was, like,

741
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:05,360
Speaker 1: we're going to because this is such a wild success,

742
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,600
Speaker 1: let's do a pop star documentary. So the documentary style

743
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:10,640
Speaker 1: was based on the Bieber one. And then it was

744
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 1: just boy bands in general, you know, about all the

745
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: dumb stuff. And he's like, I stand for gay rights,

746
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 1: but I'm not gay, but if it was okay, but

747
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm not good. I'm not gay, And he's like, if

748
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:23,839
Speaker 1: you want to make out, what the dude, that's okay,

749
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 1: but I'm not gay. In the movie, he just says, like,

750
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: you know that that song was not politically correct, like

751
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 1: you know, it was my best song, but my did

752
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 1: you say? He even referenced the Anne Frank thing that, oh,

753
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 1: Justin Bieber, that's right, she'd be a believer. Yeah. So again,

754
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:41,279
Speaker 1: a lot of these nuggets I forgot about that he's

755
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 1: in the Anne Frank house, and Justin Bieber actually signed

756
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: I think he signed the book. I know he said

757
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 1: she'd be a believer, but there was an Anne Frank.

758
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: But then Andy Sandberg uses the bathroom in the Frank toilet. Yeah, yeah, okay, anyway,

759
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: watch it. We love it. That's our review of Uh

760
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: the Pop Star. Never Stop Popping popping, or it might

761
00:42:04,040 --> 00:42:07,319
Speaker 1: never stop stopping, never stop stopping. All right, there you go.

762
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: You know, I listened to a lot of podcasts, and

763
00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: for me, it's the ones that I feel like I'm learning,

764
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,359
Speaker 1: because if I'm listening to something i'm not reading something,

765
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,799
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm wasting time. But I did start

766
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: listening to the Presidential Podcast and Lilian Cunninghamazon who actually, Lillian,

767
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: did you create this yourself, this idea of this podcast?

768
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:31,560
Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, Um, I created it, I produced it,

769
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,359
Speaker 1: taught myself how to mix sound for it. Yeah, that's great. Listen.

770
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: I love it. And I'm a podcast nerd and obviously

771
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: a broadcasting nerd, And you know, I fell in love

772
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:46,400
Speaker 1: with the idea that every single president had a summer,

773
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: not an hour. You know. There are presidents that popped

774
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: into off with quick and died pretty quick, and they

775
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: get thirty minutes, you know. But I love the fact

776
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: that I could kind of sit down and learn about

777
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: what other folks who have studied them actually thought about them,

778
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,640
Speaker 1: meaning what they were like as kids, what they were

779
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: like in office, what they sucked out, what they were

780
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: good at. And so before I ask you some questions,

781
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: just know, for me love the podcast. I just I

782
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 1: know it was recorded a couple of years ago, but

783
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 1: I just got into it and thought it was for

784
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,399
Speaker 1: me such a great listening experience, especially in the time

785
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:17,359
Speaker 1: that we're in right now. Thank you so much. That

786
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 1: really means so much to me. Is it weird to

787
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: the people are just now discovering it and you had

788
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: you done this a couple of years ago. Yeah, I

789
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: mean it's really cool, right, that's kind of the journey.

790
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 1: And uh yes, I created it in two thousands sixteen,

791
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: the last time we had a presidential election. But um,

792
00:43:36,120 --> 00:43:38,319
Speaker 1: even then, I mean I had no idea so many

793
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,319
Speaker 1: people would go on to listen to it, But I

794
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: was hoping to create something that was ever green, you know.

795
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 1: That was part of the point, was like to cut

796
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,919
Speaker 1: through just the noise and the headlines of the day

797
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 1: and to offer people something just like enriches their understanding

798
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: of the world around them. Um. So it's cool to

799
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:59,400
Speaker 1: see that, you know, it didn't state itself and it

800
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: still feels really fresh and valuable to people. Lilian is

801
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: Washington Post journalist and podcaster. And so I just had

802
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 1: some stuff before we talk into what the new episodes are,

803
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of my listeners on this

804
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: podcast on my radio show aren't gonna even know what

805
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,799
Speaker 1: the old episodes aren't quite yet. So I just want

806
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: to kind of start from the beginning and ask you

807
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: some general president questions that you may have picked up

808
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:24,440
Speaker 1: some answers during the time. Is that cool? Cool? Yeah? Great, Um,

809
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:26,840
Speaker 1: when you started this, were you a big president buff? Like,

810
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: did you have a ton of presidential like knowledge? Uh?

811
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: I know that I didn't. Um those kind of the

812
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 1: funny thing is, I think people expect, like, oh, you

813
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: created this podcast about presidential history, you must have been, like,

814
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: you know, one of those people who've read a biography

815
00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:48,920
Speaker 1: of every president, um, And I was kind of the opposite.

816
00:44:49,080 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm someone like you, Bobby, Like I'm someone

817
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:56,080
Speaker 1: who's just really curious. I love learning new things. Um,

818
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: But I always kind of felt like I have this

819
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: gap in mine knowledge about presidential history, like beyond just

820
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 1: Lincoln and tr and like the presidents who you learned

821
00:45:07,160 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 1: about in school. So yeah, So for me, doing the

822
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: podcast is in some ways like a personal quest to

823
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: kill these gaps in my own knowledge. Um, and hopefully

824
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: along the way, you know, to be the same for

825
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,480
Speaker 1: people who were listening to it. Whenever I read Accidental Presidents,

826
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 1: I was shocked that bad water was killing presidents. I

827
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 1: was shot. I could not believe it. And so that

828
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: talk about that for a second. How the taint of

829
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: water supply killed a couple of presidents. Yeah, I mean

830
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,840
Speaker 1: this is something I had no idea about before I

831
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: did the podcast. But you know, there are all these

832
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:46,920
Speaker 1: kind of tall tales about why some of the early

833
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: presidents who died in office side, Like there was a

834
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: story about how William Henry Harrison caught pneumonia giving his

835
00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 1: um you know, his speech and that's what killed him

836
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: thirty days later. And Zachary Taylor like eight a bad cherry.

837
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:07,920
Speaker 1: But it turns out that for a lot of these guys, um,

838
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,280
Speaker 1: the water supply in the eighteen hundreds to the White

839
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: House was totally contaminated. I mean it's gross. It's like

840
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:20,760
Speaker 1: there was a sewer behind the White House. And anyway, um,

841
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 1: these like current day medical detectives have gone back through

842
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: the records and their symptoms and realized like William Henry Harrison,

843
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 1: Zachary Taylor, Abraham Lincoln's son, like all of all of

844
00:46:35,560 --> 00:46:39,800
Speaker 1: these depths actually were caused by the contaminated water supply.

845
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:45,200
Speaker 1: Wild just sewer just basically they got killed by bad

846
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:53,719
Speaker 1: sewer as they're running our country. Yeah, yeah, it was

847
00:46:53,760 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: wild to me. Was John Adams right, He's the only

848
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: family father that doesn't have a monument. Yeah, And when

849
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: you think back about and if I'm right again, I

850
00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: don't I didn't write a bunch of stuff down going

851
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: from memory. Wasn't he the only founding father that didn't

852
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 1: have slaves as well? Yeah, I mean he is the

853
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: only yea, you know, early one of our presidents who didn't. Um,

854
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:20,479
Speaker 1: really incredible guy. And uh yeah, it's funny I've seen

855
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:24,439
Speaker 1: so that John Adams episode I did focused a lot

856
00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: on you know, both those great parts about his legacy

857
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: and you know, speaking out against slavery, um, but then

858
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: also the fact that he doesn't have a huge monument

859
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,480
Speaker 1: in d C like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington do.

860
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: And it's been fun Like in the past four years,

861
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: tons of people who've listened to the podcast have written

862
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: to me to say, like, how do we start some

863
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: sort of effort to get Adams a monument um? So

864
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: I don't know that it will ever happen. Monuments are

865
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: I think we're kind of moving away from monuments these

866
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 1: days that you know, put individuals up on pedestals. But um,

867
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: but it is cool that you know, people are paying

868
00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: attention to things like that and thinking about, like, what

869
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: are the legacies we actually should be celebrating here. But

870
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: when I hear you talk about Thomas Jefferson. Again, I

871
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,799
Speaker 1: had read kind of the the the macro version of

872
00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:23,880
Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson's story, and he seemed like a fine enough guy. However,

873
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,120
Speaker 1: when you dig down into Thomas Jefferson not a guy

874
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: I would have liked hanging out with. Just does not

875
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: seem like a good dude. Yeah, I mean, that's was

876
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: I remember talking to one of the guests on the

877
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: podcast about that, and I had this question, I'm you know,

878
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure you've run into listening to the episodes there

879
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:45,840
Speaker 1: for every president, I asked historians and biographers, like what

880
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: it would be like on a blind date with one

881
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: of the presidents? Um And I do it partly to

882
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 1: like throw the historians off their game a little bit,

883
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: but also just because I think it gives really interesting

884
00:48:56,880 --> 00:49:00,040
Speaker 1: insight who these people are. UM And I remember of

885
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:03,000
Speaker 1: the person I asked about Thomas Stefferson was like, you

886
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: might go on a first date with him, but you

887
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,200
Speaker 1: would not go on a second date with him. Like

888
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,240
Speaker 1: he's just not He's just not a guy you'd really

889
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,160
Speaker 1: find you wanted to spend a lot of time around.

890
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,880
Speaker 1: And all men aren't created equal. If you still have slaves,

891
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 1: Thomas Jefferson you know. Yeah, I mean that was so

892
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,800
Speaker 1: we know him for saying, yeah, he's still had hundreds

893
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: of slaves. Um. Let's talk about Warren Harding for a second. So, yeah,

894
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: some crazy scandals kind of walk over some of the

895
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: Warren Harding scandals that if it happened today, well, I

896
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: don't know what's happened today is pretty crazy, don't get

897
00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: me wrong. But let's say if it happened four years ago,

898
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 1: the place would have went berserk. Yeah, I mean, weren't Harding,

899
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 1: um a hundred years ago? Yeah, twenty Um, he was

900
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 1: elected And I knew nothing about Warren Harding before I

901
00:49:49,680 --> 00:49:52,799
Speaker 1: did his episode. And I did all of these like

902
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 1: week to week in real time, and I remember the

903
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: Warn't hard and Harding week approaching and thinking like, oh

904
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 1: my god, what am I going to do about this guy?

905
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 1: It turns out like there is so much to cover

906
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:09,799
Speaker 1: with him. Um. I'm still hoping I'll get a call

907
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 1: to like create a whole Netflix special about him, because

908
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 1: I think he's just insane. Uh. Hell, let's see the highlights.

909
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he died in office under sort of mysterious circumstances. Um,

910
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 1: he had this long running affair with a woman who um,

911
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 1: the US government thought was a spy for Germany. He

912
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: impregnated a young girl while he was president and she

913
00:50:38,680 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: had his child, and um, his one of his good

914
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: friends bought the Hope Diamond and like tragedy but fell

915
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:53,280
Speaker 1: like the family and all the friends most like several

916
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 1: of his cabinet secretaries commits suicide in these really like

917
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: shady ways. So yeah, there's a doubt. Like he uh,

918
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 1: he was just like a crazy, crazy tale from start

919
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,759
Speaker 1: to finish. How is it not a series on him?

920
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:12,200
Speaker 1: Like that? Right? There is so compelling, We don't know.

921
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: I would watch that, I would read that book. I

922
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:20,280
Speaker 1: would watch that Netflix show. Um, I do think actually

923
00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 1: parts of Boardwalk Empire, but that show that used to

924
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,400
Speaker 1: be on UM had some had some stuff about like

925
00:51:28,440 --> 00:51:31,919
Speaker 1: the suicides in his cabinet. But yeah, I mean it's

926
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 1: like it's just a really dark, interesting chapter of American

927
00:51:36,320 --> 00:51:39,800
Speaker 1: history that like none of us learn about in school.

928
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: You know, we just totally glaze over people like that. Um,

929
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: But there were tons of stories that came across, not

930
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 1: all as wild as that, but a lot of these

931
00:51:50,719 --> 00:51:55,760
Speaker 1: presidents we don't learn anything about had really interesting stories.

932
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: A lot of these guys have daddy is either dads

933
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 1: who died before they were born or dads who were

934
00:52:04,520 --> 00:52:11,320
Speaker 1: absent or were alcoholics. What's what's what's the correlation here?

935
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 1: You know? I I mean I was so struck by

936
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 1: that doing the podcast, because, as you said, I mean,

937
00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 1: part of these episodes, you know, we're largely about their

938
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 1: time in office, but there was a good chunk of

939
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: every episode that talked about their upbringing and sort of

940
00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 1: what led them to the presidency. And so inevitably I

941
00:52:35,200 --> 00:52:39,839
Speaker 1: learned about the childhoods of all of these future presidents,

942
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:45,040
Speaker 1: and I would say more often than not, they had

943
00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:50,360
Speaker 1: some sort of rough childhood, some you know, difficult upbringing

944
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:54,400
Speaker 1: with like a single mother. I mean, the historians I

945
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,520
Speaker 1: talked to all had sort of different thoughts about it,

946
00:52:57,640 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: but a lot of them, you know, in sort of

947
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:05,439
Speaker 1: psychoanalyzing it says like they sort of felt the need

948
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,240
Speaker 1: from a young age to be able to like step

949
00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:13,240
Speaker 1: in and like fill up a gap in the family.

950
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 1: Right like either their father had died and so they

951
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 1: were responsible from a young age um from being more

952
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 1: of like an adult in the family and then the

953
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: otherwise live or they in some cases with alcoholic fathers,

954
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: like they learned skills really early on about how to

955
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:38,839
Speaker 1: like cope with difficult people and difficult situation. And then

956
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: also I think, you know, some of it is just

957
00:53:40,760 --> 00:53:44,879
Speaker 1: like a desire for a better life or to get

958
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 1: out of there, you know, like it bread people with ambition, um,

959
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: and with a sense of wanting to sort of like

960
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 1: escape and make something better for themselves. You're back with episodes,

961
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: which I was shocked there would be more. I thought, well,

962
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: we're pretty much out of presidents. But now the latest

963
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:07,719
Speaker 1: episode is actually the first time one was chosen as

964
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: a vice presidential pick, which was so talk about that

965
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:14,440
Speaker 1: for a second and what actually inspired you to come

966
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,200
Speaker 1: back and throw some new episodes up. Yeah, I mean

967
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:19,800
Speaker 1: it's kind of a surprised to me too, write because

968
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 1: the whole premise of the Presidential podcast was that I

969
00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: went in order from George Washington through present day. My

970
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: last episode in was the morning after Trump was elected,

971
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 1: I put out an episode. So it felt like, you know,

972
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:40,280
Speaker 1: for at least four years, Uh, it kind of reached

973
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:44,680
Speaker 1: the end of the line with the podcast. But I think, um,

974
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:47,839
Speaker 1: part of what happened, you know, there are people out

975
00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 1: there like you who discovered the podcast a year or

976
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:56,200
Speaker 1: two years, three years after I meet it. And the

977
00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,640
Speaker 1: point of the podcast was always, you know, to explore

978
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: his ree in service of better understanding the present and

979
00:55:03,160 --> 00:55:07,640
Speaker 1: giving people some context to understand like what's precedented and

980
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 1: unprecedented in what they're seeing happen around them and happened

981
00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 1: in the White House. So it felt like even though

982
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:20,319
Speaker 1: we couldn't make more episodes about new presidents, that there

983
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:24,560
Speaker 1: was still kind of, especially in another election year, there

984
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,960
Speaker 1: was a role, a sort of public service role that

985
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,759
Speaker 1: I could fill by coming back in and saying, you know, hey,

986
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 1: there are plenty of other stories that relate to presidential

987
00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: history in some way that helps illuminate what's happening around

988
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: us today. And so yeah, the most recent one was

989
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 1: a look back at that election, the first time a

990
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 1: woman was picked to be the vice presidential candidate for

991
00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:57,840
Speaker 1: a major party. UM. And I mean it's fascinating both

992
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 1: you know, you you appreciate sort of how far we've come,

993
00:56:00,760 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 1: and you also appreciate, um, how history doesn't really move

994
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:09,439
Speaker 1: in straight lines. And you know, doors open and then

995
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:17,200
Speaker 1: years and years go by before they reopen. Um. Yeah,

996
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: Gerald and Ferraro is a really interesting story too. And

997
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: I had the chance to talk to Walter Mondale, who

998
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 1: was the presidential candidate who kills her and the former

999
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: vice president with candidate. He's maybe two years old, and

1000
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: he didn't a zoom call with me for the for

1001
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:36,640
Speaker 1: the podcast to talk about why he picked her. And

1002
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,520
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool. You know what challenges he faced though, Yeah,

1003
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:41,759
Speaker 1: really cool to be able to do that. Well, let

1004
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: me ask you some we only have a couple of

1005
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:45,080
Speaker 1: minutes left, some some pretty quick kind of questions and

1006
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:47,600
Speaker 1: they may not be that easy to quick kip, but um,

1007
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: let's see what we can do here. This is a

1008
00:56:48,960 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 1: big one though. Why was Abraham Lincoln not a favored

1009
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: president while he was in office? I think that is

1010
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 1: true for a lot of presidents. I mean, I think

1011
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 1: I learned that, you know, the really great leaders in

1012
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 1: our country tend to see beyond their moment and beyond

1013
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:10,000
Speaker 1: the politics of the president president. Um, so I think

1014
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:12,360
Speaker 1: in a way it's sort of by definition, you know,

1015
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,200
Speaker 1: if he was going to do something to dramatically improve

1016
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:18,320
Speaker 1: the country and move it forward kind of goes hand

1017
00:57:18,320 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: in hand with you know, doing things that in the

1018
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 1: present moment don't necessarily make you the most popular. The

1019
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: biggest misconception that you learned is not not true about

1020
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: a president. We think something, but it's actually just the opposite.

1021
00:57:38,400 --> 00:57:42,680
Speaker 1: Oh jeez um, because for me, I'll give you a

1022
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: second to think about it. It's a big question to ask,

1023
00:57:44,600 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: is that I used to assume Lincoln was loved and

1024
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 1: then you know you really had to switch vice presidents.

1025
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: You really, I mean you start to go through all

1026
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: of you know, what was happening, uh within between the

1027
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,000
Speaker 1: first election and second and obviously the Civil War, and

1028
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: you realize that nobody really loved Lincoln at the time

1029
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:03,200
Speaker 1: because as I of his ideals, um. And also what

1030
00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 1: was crazy about Lincoln too is that you know he

1031
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 1: and you can check me on this, but he was

1032
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 1: up for free in the slaves, but he wanted to

1033
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: take them and send them back to a place where

1034
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: they would be free, not keep them here. Do you

1035
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:18,600
Speaker 1: know about that? Am I completely wrong? That? Did I

1036
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 1: read a wrong? But did I read the wrong his story?

1037
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:24,720
Speaker 1: And telling me something about that one too? No, I

1038
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,320
Speaker 1: mean I think there's that there's some of that in

1039
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,960
Speaker 1: lincoln story. It also that reminds me a little bit

1040
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:35,360
Speaker 1: of Monroe, who anyway, long story, but he he was.

1041
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: He was pro sending um, you know, plays in America

1042
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: back to Africa. But yeah, I mean I think, jeez,

1043
00:58:46,160 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 1: for me, like the this is a tiny thing. This

1044
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:52,919
Speaker 1: is not as big as something like Lincoln not being

1045
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,920
Speaker 1: loved in the moment. But I was really surprised to

1046
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:01,240
Speaker 1: learn that Thomas Jefferson hated public speaking because I think

1047
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:05,000
Speaker 1: in my head, Thomas Jefferson, you know, was one of

1048
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:10,160
Speaker 1: those larger than life figures. He started the country, he

1049
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:17,960
Speaker 1: would have had like a ton of confidence and you know, presence. Um.

1050
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: So I found it really interesting to learn that he was.

1051
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,320
Speaker 1: But while he had a decent ego, um, he did

1052
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: not like being in front of a crowd. He did

1053
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:31,760
Speaker 1: not like getting up and giving addresses. And I think

1054
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 1: these days it's a good reminder, like how much the

1055
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,480
Speaker 1: job of the president has changed, because these days you

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Speaker 1: can't see president without feeling okay speaking in front of crowds,

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Speaker 1: or even loving speaking in front of crowds. But it

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Speaker 1: was such a different office back then that you could

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Speaker 1: get away with us not wanting to see anyone, right.

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Speaker 1: I had a producer affect, had a person of fact

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Speaker 1: check me. Here here's here is um the Abraham Lincoln Block.

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Speaker 1: Lincoln desired to return former slaves to Africa or other

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Speaker 1: tropical regions with their consent and the accord of the

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Speaker 1: authorities of the country where they were to be settled.

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Speaker 1: He repeated his support for colonization numerous times, including during

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Speaker 1: the American Civil War. I want to make sure I

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Speaker 1: wasn't wrong with that statement, because I would get fried

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Speaker 1: if I was. Um Well, Lilian, I am a massive

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Speaker 1: fan of the podcast, and I hope a lot of

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Speaker 1: my listeners. I know a lot of my listeners were

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Speaker 1: going over to it. I was getting tagged and stuff

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Speaker 1: all the time with especially right now as we get

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Speaker 1: into another election. It's always best to learn about what happened.

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Speaker 1: It helps you at least not be surprised with what

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Speaker 1: happens next. You know, history is a great indicator. So

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Speaker 1: I encourage everyone to check out Presidential. She has some

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Speaker 1: other podcasts too, if you like that. I have him

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Speaker 1: Your Constitutional, which explores the Constitution, and Moon Rise, which

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Speaker 1: is an audio mini series hosted by Lilian and it

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Speaker 1: digs into the nuclear arms race of the Cold War

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Speaker 1: and the transformation of American society and politics. You gotta

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Speaker 1: admit haven't got into that one yet, but I'm such

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Speaker 1: a fan of presidential I'm probably gonna jump into constitutional next.

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Speaker 1: So Lilian, thank you very much. Oh, thank you so much, Boddy.

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Speaker 1: It was really fun. Yeah, great to talk to you,

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Speaker 1: and everybody. Check out Presidential by Lilium. I think hm

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Speaker 1: hm