WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Impossible Murder of Isidor Fink 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.400 This episode of Thinking Sideways is not brought to you 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:05.720 by Equal Pay for two Carbras. Instead, it's brought to 0:00:05.760 --> 0:00:08.640 you by Stitcher Premium, which you might actually be listening 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:11.080 to us on right now. And if you are, you're 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:13.880 hitting us on Monday, not Thursday, and you're hearing us 0:00:14.160 --> 0:00:16.360 without this ad on it. If you want to hear 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.079 this without this ad on it and on Monday, and 0:00:19.160 --> 0:00:22.640 also bonus content, check out stitcher dot com slash thinking 0:00:22.680 --> 0:00:25.360 sideways and use the promo code sideways to get a 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:28.000 free month of Stitcher Premium. We're not the only ones 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:29.880 on there. 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This week we're 0:01:26.360 --> 0:01:28.920 going to talk about the strange death of or think 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:33.559 the story this one yet I don't. I don't know why, 0:01:34.200 --> 0:01:36.679 but but it's time. Fine this This is a classic, 0:01:36.720 --> 0:01:39.200 really is it really is? It's probably a lot of 0:01:39.240 --> 0:01:40.720 you guys have heard of it already. This happened in 0:01:41.640 --> 0:01:43.600 New York City. I feel like it's one of those 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:45.840 stories where we all kind of think, oh, yeah, I 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.920 should do that. I'm not quite ready yet. Yeah, it's 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:53.560 so classic. I'm not quite right to quite ready yet. 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.240 And Joe was just like, whatever, I'm doing it, Oh, 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.240 this is on the list, Okay, cool, I'll run about 0:01:58.240 --> 0:02:02.080 it by Yeah, I just running over with a tank 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:04.280 or great. Yeah, it's it's got but it's got a 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:06.240 lot of cool stuff. It's got some egget to Christie 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:08.760 you kind of twist and a nice murder and it's 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:13.800 like a locked room mystery, locked room genuine. Yeah. And actually, uh, 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:16.160 it has got a lot of publicity at the time. Actually, 0:02:16.160 --> 0:02:19.400 a couple of big time crime writers wrote wrote fictional 0:02:19.440 --> 0:02:21.440 stories based on it, and there was a movie based 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.280 on it too. I think, yeah, so it's at least 0:02:24.280 --> 0:02:27.760 one if not, and you know, who knows. I mean, 0:02:27.840 --> 0:02:30.320 how many other stories it might have inspired. It's like 0:02:30.360 --> 0:02:33.359 there's not that many real life locked room mysteries. This 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:36.120 is definitely one of those Colonel situations. Is the kernel 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:38.840 of a lot of things. Yeah, we've done We've done 0:02:38.880 --> 0:02:42.919 one other one and that's really it was at La Plaza. No, 0:02:43.320 --> 0:02:47.040 it was, I did it nothing. She started talking about 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:50.000 locked room. She's talking about stories that are Colonel. So 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:52.919 I'm talking about a lot of What was the one 0:02:53.080 --> 0:02:55.160 with the woman who may or may not have poisoned 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.239 her husband who was like twenty years older than her. Yeah, 0:02:59.000 --> 0:03:02.040 I did this one too, or that it was in London, right, yeah, yeah, 0:03:02.160 --> 0:03:05.480 yeah that was Williams or something. Oh god, what was it? 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:07.240 What was that name? Yeah, yeah, I know on you're 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:12.239 talking about. Yeah, okay, yeah, wow. I'm usually really good 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:17.680 at us. I actually don't because by the time you 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:22.440 hear this figured it out. The murder of Julia Wallace, Yes, 0:03:23.560 --> 0:03:26.399 that's it. Yeah, okay, so Julia Wallace and then that's 0:03:26.440 --> 0:03:30.720 also a good lockroom mystery La Plaza. Yeah. So yeah, 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:32.799 there's some out there, but you know, I don't think 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:36.840 those are as great as this one is the best. Yeah, 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:39.840 it's it's so so awesome. Nobody ever actually spends much 0:03:39.880 --> 0:03:41.880 time wondering who actually killed is it or a Fank? 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:44.480 They just want to know, They just want to know 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:47.000 how they did it, whoever it was and killed him. First, 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:49.000 I want to give a shout out to our listener Emily, 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:51.400 who suggested this story a long long time ago, like 0:03:51.400 --> 0:03:54.400 three years ago. I thank so thanks Emily. And now 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:57.200 into her story. First, is it or Fank? He was 0:03:57.240 --> 0:04:00.160 a Polish immigrant to America. He was thirty years old 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:02.720 when he died. He owned a small laundry in Upper 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.560 New York City, Like you know, like, oh God, where 0:04:05.560 --> 0:04:06.760 it was it? I think I had her in thirty 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:10.120 second Street. Which neighborhood is that because I'm really bad 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.880 with my New York geography because it is neighborhood upon 0:04:12.880 --> 0:04:15.520 the neighborhood that's Upper Manhattan. So I don't know, is 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:20.760 that Harlem hundred seconds? That might? I feel like it 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:24.800 was different. I'm not sure it was. Yeah, I mean yeah, 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.280 but you know that it's still there. I believe it 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.400 or not. I don't know. I don't know the same building. 0:04:29.400 --> 0:04:31.080 It looks like kind of an old bill New York, 0:04:31.320 --> 0:04:36.240 New York this recording, who knows in you know, three weeks. Yeah, 0:04:37.520 --> 0:04:40.839 back to istor. So he had a small laundry, uh, 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:43.600 and it was one of those ground floor things in 0:04:43.640 --> 0:04:46.000 the department buildings. So he had an apartment that was 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:48.800 right there attached to. So it was like like everything 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.279 in Portland right now where it's just like retail on 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:53.280 the bottom and the apartments on the top. Yeah, kind 0:04:53.279 --> 0:04:58.120 of like that. Yeah, typical condensed Yeah, yeah, I density stuff, 0:04:58.160 --> 0:05:00.719 but urban dwelling. But to his apartment was on the 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:02.800 ground floor, attached to Yeah, I believe it was on 0:05:02.839 --> 0:05:04.680 the ground floor when there was there was an exit, 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:06.880 there was a door connecting the business in the apartment, 0:05:06.960 --> 0:05:09.520 makes sense. Yeah. And it was a laundry like people 0:05:09.560 --> 0:05:11.680 would It wasn't like a laundry mat. It was like 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:13.880 a dry cleaning kind of that kind of thing where 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:18.400 people stuff drop, drop the stuff off. And that was 0:05:18.440 --> 0:05:21.440 more typical in the in the you know, early nineteen 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.880 hundreds where the clothes were hard to wash. Well, that's 0:05:24.920 --> 0:05:29.080 typical anywhere that isn't a Western civilization or Western country 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.159 where we have washers and dryers that we keep in 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.640 our homes are in some place. I mean, you go 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:38.600 to anywhere outside of the first world, and it's some 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:42.800 place where everybody takes their stuff and somebody watched. And 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:45.720 some places I've gone to actually people just take their 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.520 stuff down to the river and wash it down there. Yeah, 0:05:48.640 --> 0:05:50.200 I went to places where they were they were thrown 0:05:50.200 --> 0:05:52.479 all by laundry in a machine and hanging it on 0:05:53.120 --> 0:05:55.200 showed up like that's my drawers can have those In 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:58.400 the early nineteen hundreds, you guys probably know this is 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:01.520 my little tiny tangent. But the way that they made closes. 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.200 You know, everything had detachable collars and cuffs for the 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:07.520 dirty and so you could hand wash those. They were 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:10.000 really easy to hand wash at home. And then you 0:06:10.000 --> 0:06:12.640 would have to take your shirt every two weeks, your 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:15.920 pants every two or whatever you know, to be actually cleaned. 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:17.719 And so you know that the sink in your house 0:06:17.800 --> 0:06:20.200 was not big enough to hold that garment while wet. 0:06:20.400 --> 0:06:22.479 You could hold the cuff in the collar, but that 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.000 was it. And your little armpit pads, because they do 0:06:26.080 --> 0:06:27.960 have that, I mean dress dress pads and stuff like 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.560 I was wondering what for me after two weeks of 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:32.720 wearing a shirt, what the arm pits would look like. Well, also, 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:35.719 things just were smellier back people were diffused to it. 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.600 But you also didn't throw your stuff in a dirty hamper. 0:06:38.680 --> 0:06:40.920 You hung it. That was the thing is if you 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:46.760 hang sweaty clothes, a little vodka spray on those. They're 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:50.239 great vodka sp If you mix vodka and water together 0:06:50.279 --> 0:06:53.040 and spray your clothes, it will totally deodorize. To waste 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:59.480 a good vodka. No, you just think you buy the bad. Yeah, 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:03.240 we're anyway. I'm sorry. I just like clothes. I don't 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:07.120 want to. Yeah, I know you do, but you've learned 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:08.719 a lot more that you wanted to know about laundry. 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:11.440 But back to our murder here. It was a night 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:16.000 of Saturday in March ninth, is it our think, made 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.640 a few laundry deliveries, and then he went home for 0:07:18.680 --> 0:07:21.080 the night. I think it was around nine or ten, 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:24.240 locked himself in because he was a cautious type, if 0:07:24.600 --> 0:07:26.800 not even a little bit paranoid. But on the other hand, 0:07:26.800 --> 0:07:30.320 he did live in a fairly crime ridden neighborhood. Robbery 0:07:30.400 --> 0:07:33.160 was pretty common, so his behavior wasn't crazy tintfoil out 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.600 there or anything like that. And then his laundry itself, 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:38.840 you know, and his apartment. I have no idea how 0:07:38.920 --> 0:07:41.200 big they were. I assumed they were pretty small. I 0:07:41.240 --> 0:07:43.280 think they The sense I had was that they were 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.080 comparable sizes to each other. Yeah, you know, but it 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.200 was like a half and half space. But I but 0:07:48.320 --> 0:07:51.160 it seems like a like a maybe max one bedroom more. 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:54.240 But that's the thing that I've never understood is like 0:07:54.440 --> 0:07:59.160 square footage. I've never seen anything that said it was 0:07:59.360 --> 0:08:02.080 a hundred were foot and a hundred square foot or 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:04.960 five hundred and five. And I'm making these numbers out well, 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.240 all I can assume is all I from what I 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:10.600 know about current New York living situations. That can't have 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:14.640 been bigger the most New York apartments these days. And 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:17.520 would you say, would you say an easy average number 0:08:17.640 --> 0:08:25.520 is five hundred square foot business? And this speculations, Okay, 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:30.360 that's a problem a lot of Yeah, the and I 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:31.880 think it was doing some of the work in his 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:35.600 apartment to you would problem if it was open, which 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:39.680 is also a question for me. Where they bisected so 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.880 that the business portion was separated from the living portion 0:08:43.360 --> 0:08:47.520 or was it one open space and there was snow division. 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.480 I believe they were separated like by a door or 0:08:50.480 --> 0:08:52.680 something like that. I got the impression of like, you know, 0:08:52.840 --> 0:08:55.160 motel rooms that connect with a door kind of like 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:57.440 you know, but other than that, you know, that's uh, 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:00.880 there's not enough information out there for a story that's 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:03.880 been written about as much as this one has specifics 0:09:03.920 --> 0:09:06.440 like that are possible to come by. I did some 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:09.040 looking special looking just to see if anybody had ever 0:09:09.080 --> 0:09:11.800 written a book about this or anything like that I 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:13.920 could find. I couldn't find anything. And there were some 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:15.920 New York Times articles about it. I tried to find 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.280 some of those. They're not available on the eater webs unfortunately. 0:09:19.360 --> 0:09:21.200 So you know, there's just no I'd love to see 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.839 some drawings and more pictures and stuff like that, but 0:09:23.920 --> 0:09:27.040 any kind of measurements of any kind would be really helpful. Yeah, 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.160 so I don't know. So so, so can you explain, 0:09:30.760 --> 0:09:33.480 I mean, now getting getting away from that bit of tangent, 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:35.760 which is my fault, but because I brought it up 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:39.600 before the recording, But like, what were the kind of 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:45.719 precautions that kind of semi paranoid level. Yeah, I don't 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.520 know if this was you know, ultra paranoid even, but 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.200 he had apparently had extra bolts on his doors and 0:09:51.240 --> 0:09:54.080 his windows were nailed shut, and I'm not sure what 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:56.120 that means. Okay, yeah, I was gonna ask, like nailed hut, 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:57.960 Like you know, like you know, you have a couple 0:09:58.000 --> 0:10:00.800 of nails in to hold the door or to hold 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:07.280 the window panes closed, or you've like nailed over. Yeah, 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:09.760 I think nailed shut is in what I think it 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.200 probably was. I mean, you know, it's like, you know, 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:13.520 he could it could have meant that he took a 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:15.920 hammer and nails and actually just wanged away until he 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:18.080 had nails driven into his windows and they were never 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.480 open again. But more likely, it's really common, and it's 0:10:21.520 --> 0:10:23.440 even in my house. I've got this with my wooden 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.480 double doubles hung windows. If you drill a hole through 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:29.320 the wood and then you put a long nail in 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:32.760 there so that people can't open it from the outside, 0:10:32.760 --> 0:10:36.160 it's a block. Yeah. Yeah, it's extra security advice. Similarly 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:39.000 with people, yeah, with like sliding doors where people put 0:10:39.000 --> 0:10:40.960 the piece of wood, Yeah, exactly, so that you can't 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:43.360 open it's like that, right, Yeah, exactly, That's what I 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:46.200 would also assume. But sometimes, you know, somebody says nailed shut, 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.000 and I think they've totally boarded up their windows. Yeah, 0:10:49.480 --> 0:10:52.200 or they've nailed six hundred nails and bent them all 0:10:52.200 --> 0:10:56.040 over sideways because yeah, yeah, and so I think in 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:58.319 this case he probably just drilled holes, but he might 0:10:58.320 --> 0:11:00.160 have driven a nail or two in there too. Mean, 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.280 that's that's one way to do it, you know. Yeah, 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:06.520 but it settles the issue permanently so well, except for 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.760 a few women have single pane windows are pretty easy 0:11:08.800 --> 0:11:10.760 to break in, but you know, whatever, good point, But 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:12.480 then people gotta like, you know, they gotta break through 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:14.360 the window, and then because they can't reach in and 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:16.640 unlatch it and slide the window up, and they have 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.960 to crawl through an open broken glass. And if you're 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:24.440 not panel windows situation, that's even because because because here's 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:28.439 the thing is that having a single pane of glass, 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:31.120 a big pane of glass, if you can pop a 0:11:31.120 --> 0:11:34.800 hole in it, you can kind of quietly break bits 0:11:34.840 --> 0:11:37.319 of that glass away once you've got a hole in it. 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.240 But if it's got the wooden lattice in it, you 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:44.400 know where it's sheet becomes six panels. Now you've got 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:47.320 to break the wood away, and that's a lot more effort, 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:49.880 a lot more obviously, a lot louder. So I say 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:54.000 windows were divided. I just always assumed that, like, you know, 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:58.520 these guys that we're sitting next to you, single pane, huge, 0:11:58.600 --> 0:12:01.280 huge sheet, it's probably, yeah, probably that would be the 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:04.280 cheapest way. You know, probably this was cheap housing. Probably 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.079 as far as as far as stealths goes, I don't know. 0:12:06.520 --> 0:12:10.079 I uh, I don't think burglars these days, at least, 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:12.040 they don't really bother to try to be stealthy if 0:12:12.040 --> 0:12:14.160 they just kick your door down. But he just assumed that, 0:12:14.360 --> 0:12:16.240 I mean, usually the case a place, right, they just 0:12:16.280 --> 0:12:18.840 decide if you're not home, it doesn't matter. Yeah, they're 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:23.680 gonna break in and they're gonna take yeah. So yeah, anyway, 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:28.520 but okay, so sorry. So yeah, he's got the extra bolts. 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:32.200 And there's no information really about what kind of bolts 0:12:32.200 --> 0:12:34.120 he had in his door, where they key operated dead 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.400 bolts orhere they just sliders, sliders. I mean, I don't know. 0:12:37.679 --> 0:12:40.960 I think they might have been sliders, although we'll get 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:44.160 more into that second here. But so's he's home for 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:47.080 the night, locked in and everything, and about ten thirty pm, 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:51.679 his neighbor, a woman named Mrs Locklin Smith, heard sounds 0:12:51.679 --> 0:12:54.319 of a scuffle as in fighting, uh and and in 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:57.800 a kind of a thud, but no gunshots. She ran 0:12:57.840 --> 0:13:00.600 out to find a policeman and brings a patrol woman back. 0:13:00.679 --> 0:13:04.200 His name was apparently Albert Captain Vane or Captain Born, 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.800 depending on the Virgin he read. He comes back to 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:08.960 the building and he bangs in the door, gets no 0:13:09.040 --> 0:13:12.600 answer from Mr Fink. Uh, And I started trying the doors. 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:14.080 If there were at least two doors in the apartment. 0:13:14.080 --> 0:13:15.640 I think there was one in the hall, maybe one 0:13:15.640 --> 0:13:17.760 in the laundry. I'm not sure that was the impression 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:20.760 or maybe. Yeah, And so he tried how he got 0:13:20.760 --> 0:13:23.640 into the laundry and not I'm not sure about that either. Yeah, 0:13:23.640 --> 0:13:25.920 but apparently there was there was at least well, obviously 0:13:25.960 --> 0:13:28.079 there's at least one door. But I most of the 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:30.560 reversions said there were two doors into the apartment, but 0:13:30.640 --> 0:13:32.800 the doors were locked from the inside. The windows, as 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:36.319 I said, nailed shut. Uh and the windows reportedly were 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.120 not broken also, but they're the only thing that was opened. 0:13:39.120 --> 0:13:41.840 There was a transom window above the front door. You 0:13:41.880 --> 0:13:43.600 know what a transom window is, right, I was gonna say, 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.960 you need to explain that for folks. Yeah, old and 0:13:47.040 --> 0:13:50.160 older buildings in some houses and stuff, there's like a 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.800 doorway and then a whole separate frame window above the door. 0:13:53.920 --> 0:13:59.640 That's just the same with nine. Yeah, it's just right 0:13:59.640 --> 0:14:02.000 over the depending on the heights the door. Yeah, doors 0:14:02.040 --> 0:14:06.960 are usually six seven ft high, so yeah, they're usually like, yeah, 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:12.680 seven I think about seven ft yeah, typically what the 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:19.120 door is. And so there they're the same width typically 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.600 as the door, but they're not very high. They're kind 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.200 of like, you know, not not terribly high, and they're 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:26.560 usually usually are hinged like in the middle. So it's 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:28.920 a frame. It's a it's a wood frame with glass 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:31.200 in it and hinged in the middle so it can 0:14:31.240 --> 0:14:34.080 be rotated, and the whole idea is just to provide ventilation. 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:38.000 You have un doubted you as you know what this is. 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:40.080 Even if you don't think you know what this is. 0:14:40.200 --> 0:14:43.080 You know what this window is. You've seen it mostly 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:45.360 like older hotels and things like that, they don't think 0:14:46.120 --> 0:14:49.440 it's a It's a window that is hinged along it's 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:55.480 horizontal center line, and it typically pivots in towards the 0:14:55.600 --> 0:14:59.200 room that it is opening up into and out towards 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:01.360 the space where if you're outside of the spooks looking 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.560 at so that the hot air on the outside the 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:06.760 inside of the room can float out along the roof 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:10.080 or the ceiling and cooler air can then because it's 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:13.200 it's for ventilation. Yeah, it totally is. Yeah, And so 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.400 so you had one of those, uh, and it was 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.840 not open at least on the latch. Apparently kind of 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:20.960 a lapse on is the doors part. But you know, 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.880 maybe it's kind of high and besides what, she probably 0:15:24.920 --> 0:15:27.640 didn't think burglars were likely to come into it because frankly, 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.880 an adult couldn't fit through this window. Speaking of adults, 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.240 as I said, the windows, the windows were nailed shut, 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:36.280 doors were locked, but the trans and window was open. 0:15:36.360 --> 0:15:39.520 So opposite Captain Bain, apparently some people, you know, this 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.640 is like back in the day, people didn't have internet 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.280 or TV, and so when anything looked like it was happening, 0:15:45.320 --> 0:15:48.840 people would immediately Yeah, I started rubber necking. So he 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:50.640 founds in the crowd. In the crowd, he finds a 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:54.120 small boy and boost them up and threw the transom opening. 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:56.000 So the kick and dropped on the other side and 0:15:56.280 --> 0:15:59.240 unbolted door and let him and let him in. But 0:15:59.280 --> 0:16:02.160 it had to be a right, So that's important. Yeah, 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:04.400 the kid was because it's a very small opening. I know, 0:16:04.520 --> 0:16:07.120 no adult could fit through. I couldn't even I'm a 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:10.520 little Maybe could if you really try, I'd have to 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:15.960 lose some weight. Yeah, there'd be some contortion. Yeah, but yeah, 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.320 so realistically, it couldn't be a normal size of human. 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:22.200 And I'm a small, normal size, small human. No, yeah, 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:24.840 you are small, but yeah, definitely it's a kid thing 0:16:25.320 --> 0:16:32.320 or extremely emaciated adults existing. Yeah, So the kid goes 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.760 in and unlocks the door, the police come in, come in, 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:38.160 and then and they find Isador Fink laying on the 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:41.720 floor dead. Three gunshot wounds, one of which was in 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:44.160 his left wrist or hand depending on the version of read. 0:16:44.200 --> 0:16:46.360 But this one had and this one had powder burns 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:49.200 on it. So a close range shot, like maybe even 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:51.840 a contact shot. So like, yeah, and we've talked about 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:55.320 this before, but to get that kind of powder burn 0:16:55.520 --> 0:17:02.920 the gun has to be ballpark about half of float away. Yeah, 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:05.880 it's got to be super duper close for the powder 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.560 to actually be hot enough to burn the skin as well. Yeah, 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.080 and at a little bit more distance, even I have 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.680 a couple of feet, you'll get particles of gunpowder like, 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:16.600 but it won't be a burn yeah, but yeah, but 0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:19.040 if you want to so this was this was my 0:17:19.359 --> 0:17:25.080 possibly even a contact yeah right, like a yea almost 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:31.000 suggests maybe a struggle that does hand. Hand wounds generally do, right, 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:34.000 they usually are defensive nature. So yeah, it's like, oh, 0:17:34.119 --> 0:17:37.240 please don't shoot peas. But you know, and I guess, 0:17:37.400 --> 0:17:39.359 I mean, depending on the gun, maybe that'll stop it, 0:17:39.680 --> 0:17:45.320 it won't. Martha Wayne scenario Yeah of Martha Wayne for batman. Okay, 0:17:45.520 --> 0:17:52.040 oh that's right, I'm there. Yeah, thank you? Who never 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:56.000 heard of such a thing? A man that is a bat? Yeah, 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:59.240 flies around at night with echo location. Saw the best 0:17:59.240 --> 0:18:03.840 comic today, which was Young Bruce Wayne falls down the 0:18:03.880 --> 0:18:07.560 well hole that he falls down, but instead of a 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:13.720 horde of bats, it's a horde of rats. Then twenty 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:17.199 years later, it's rat man sitting on a precipice in 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:22.040 a building, just looking miserable. And you've seen that, You've 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:25.919 seen the man bat man one right, where it actually 0:18:25.920 --> 0:18:28.600 a bat who's choosing to be a man, who's actually 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.680 man bat. I like it, sorry, sorry, but part of 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:36.280 the way yeah, yeah, yeah, back, we've got a bullet 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:39.080 hole in his hand with burn marks. Yeah, with burn 0:18:39.160 --> 0:18:43.080 marks and then two in his chest, which apparently caught 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:46.320 in the medical medical examiner should have killed him instantly 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.439 and probably did kill him instant. So likely the hand 0:18:49.960 --> 0:18:53.000 was first, Yeah, when the chest was second. Yeah, there's 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:55.000 not much point in shooting somebody did and then shooting 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.400 in the hand too, you know, right, or you wanted 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:00.960 to appear as though there was a struggle or it's 0:19:01.160 --> 0:19:04.920 And it's also conceivable, depending on the kind of gun 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:07.520 that was used, maybe he only fired two shots and 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:11.400 one world the hand was over the chest, hand into 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:13.800 the chest. But but so do we know which side 0:19:13.800 --> 0:19:17.160 of the hand the burns were on. Yeah, See, that's frustrating, 0:19:17.200 --> 0:19:20.000 like freaking details of the story that killed me. That's 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:22.160 an important one, right, If if the hand was over 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.000 the chest, it'd be on the outside, just for people 0:19:25.119 --> 0:19:27.080 who are having arts and visually thin things. But if 0:19:27.119 --> 0:19:33.240 it was a defensive yeah, yeah, I know, it would 0:19:33.280 --> 0:19:35.520 be good to know, and maybe someday I want to know. 0:19:35.680 --> 0:19:36.920 Next time I'm back in New York, I'm going to 0:19:37.000 --> 0:19:39.560 go to the NYPD and demand the records. Listen, I was. 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:42.640 I spent a lot of time in the New York 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:47.640 Times archives, very upset because there was so many articles 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:50.520 that looked like they might be related not but yeah, 0:19:50.600 --> 0:19:53.159 not quite well no, No, The problem is I couldn't 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:56.760 read the articles because it turns out from the late 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:03.720 eighteen nineties to anyone are free to read anything after 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.719 that requires a membership, which is paid and is at 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:10.120 an exorbitant amount of money. And I was very mad 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:13.600 because I kept having these threads and then I couldn't 0:20:13.760 --> 0:20:18.560 ever get in there to confident that somebody we know 0:20:18.800 --> 0:20:21.080 has a membership, So we should, I hope so, and 0:20:21.119 --> 0:20:22.720 if they do, they need to find it and send 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:28.160 it to us. So. But so the windows were closed 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:30.120 and locked, and the door was locked, and the only 0:20:30.160 --> 0:20:33.160 thing that was open was that that one tiny little 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:38.520 window window. So that the initial conclusion, obviously that you 0:20:38.520 --> 0:20:42.280 would draw is he killed himself. No, yeah, I mean 0:20:42.400 --> 0:20:46.960 I don't know anybody who shoots themselves in the hands 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:50.040 always an obviously conclusion. But yeah, I mean if there's 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:55.920 no yeah, it could there's no gun that that that 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:58.520 screws the whole thing up. There's no gun. Speaking of 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:00.520 shooting yourself in the hand, I I think I once 0:21:00.560 --> 0:21:02.879 who had shot himself accidentally through the hand and then 0:21:02.880 --> 0:21:04.960 shot himself twice in the chest. No, he didn't do that. 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.640 It was an I'm not saying, screwed up and shot 0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:11.440 himself in the hand and then okay, so it doesn't matter, 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:13.439 I'm going to kill myself anyway back. But also like, 0:21:14.920 --> 0:21:17.200 maybe this is off topic, maybe this is going too fast, 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:20.639