1 00:00:15,210 --> 00:00:15,690 Speaker 1: Pushkin. 2 00:00:18,770 --> 00:00:24,329 Speaker 2: Hey everybody, it's Jonathan speaking sitting in my closet. I 3 00:00:24,490 --> 00:00:28,290 Speaker 2: was sitting in this closet last night for a couple 4 00:00:28,330 --> 00:00:30,530 Speaker 2: of hours, trying to figure out what to say, and 5 00:00:30,570 --> 00:00:33,370 Speaker 2: then just scrapping everything because. 6 00:00:34,450 --> 00:00:35,450 Speaker 1: I don't know what to say. 7 00:00:36,530 --> 00:00:39,330 Speaker 2: And usually, you know, the way that we've been doing 8 00:00:39,370 --> 00:00:43,010 Speaker 2: these check ins, Stevie Cleveland and I, we've been trying 9 00:00:43,010 --> 00:00:45,530 Speaker 2: to talk from our own experience because that's all we 10 00:00:45,569 --> 00:00:51,010 Speaker 2: could do. But right now, it just doesn't feel like 11 00:00:51,530 --> 00:00:55,850 Speaker 2: what needs to be heard. I can't speak to the 12 00:00:56,050 --> 00:00:59,930 Speaker 2: experience or the pain that the black community is going 13 00:00:59,970 --> 00:01:01,330 Speaker 2: through right now. 14 00:01:01,890 --> 00:01:03,810 Speaker 1: But what I do feel like I could. 15 00:01:03,690 --> 00:01:07,890 Speaker 2: Say is that the murder of George Floyd is an outrage, 16 00:01:08,770 --> 00:01:11,170 Speaker 2: that the system that props up this kind of behavior, 17 00:01:11,410 --> 00:01:16,010 Speaker 2: these sorts of actions, is sick. And I don't know 18 00:01:16,410 --> 00:01:19,050 Speaker 2: what's going to come next, but I know that what 19 00:01:19,210 --> 00:01:24,410 Speaker 2: came before cannot stand. I live in the Longfellow neighborhood 20 00:01:24,450 --> 00:01:28,290 Speaker 2: of Minneapolis, and I went out walking on the weekend 21 00:01:28,650 --> 00:01:34,250 Speaker 2: and the neighborhood was still smoldering. I feel like everything 22 00:01:34,250 --> 00:01:39,730 Speaker 2: that's happening right now is necessary, and I don't even 23 00:01:39,770 --> 00:01:43,010 Speaker 2: know in what way, but I have faith in that 24 00:01:46,850 --> 00:01:49,410 Speaker 2: before all of this started, before the events of this 25 00:01:49,530 --> 00:01:54,650 Speaker 2: past week, we'd planned an episode about teachers. We were 26 00:01:55,130 --> 00:01:58,410 Speaker 2: thinking a lot about teachers during the quarantine, about students 27 00:01:58,410 --> 00:02:03,970 Speaker 2: missing their teachers, teachers missing their students. And we have 28 00:02:04,050 --> 00:02:09,209 Speaker 2: today two stories from two different women, coincidentally, both looking. 29 00:02:08,930 --> 00:02:10,369 Speaker 1: For their first grade teachers. 30 00:02:11,130 --> 00:02:12,850 Speaker 2: And I don't know what they have to say about 31 00:02:12,850 --> 00:02:16,089 Speaker 2: this moment, if anything, but if you'd like, you could 32 00:02:16,090 --> 00:02:18,570 Speaker 2: listen to them, and I hope they bring you some 33 00:02:18,610 --> 00:02:23,210 Speaker 2: feeling of community, of comfort or just maybe a respite. 34 00:02:23,370 --> 00:02:25,329 Speaker 2: And if you want to read some of the things 35 00:02:25,330 --> 00:02:28,130 Speaker 2: that we've been reading right now, we're going to also 36 00:02:28,250 --> 00:02:31,290 Speaker 2: include some links in our show notes to some thoughtful 37 00:02:31,290 --> 00:02:35,090 Speaker 2: pieces that have spoken to us and might be worth 38 00:02:35,090 --> 00:02:45,290 Speaker 2: reading right now. So here's our show. Hello Stevie, Hey, Hey, 39 00:02:45,650 --> 00:02:48,450 Speaker 2: let me get Khalila on the line. 40 00:02:49,850 --> 00:02:52,929 Speaker 1: Hello Khalila, Hey, Hi. 41 00:02:54,650 --> 00:02:59,450 Speaker 2: This week we have two stories about two women who 42 00:02:59,530 --> 00:03:03,609 Speaker 2: are both searching for their first grade teachers. So the 43 00:03:04,290 --> 00:03:08,850 Speaker 2: first story is from my friend Hamber, who from day 44 00:03:08,890 --> 00:03:11,530 Speaker 2: one was set apart from the other kids that you 45 00:03:11,570 --> 00:03:12,410 Speaker 2: went to school with. 46 00:03:13,090 --> 00:03:15,410 Speaker 3: So I was raised a Jovah's witness. 47 00:03:15,450 --> 00:03:18,810 Speaker 4: I'm the third generation Jeovah's Witness and the religion's kind 48 00:03:18,810 --> 00:03:22,370 Speaker 4: of changed over the years, but there's one common theme, 49 00:03:22,410 --> 00:03:24,850 Speaker 4: and that is that the world is ending any minute, 50 00:03:25,890 --> 00:03:29,250 Speaker 4: and in order to secure your own salvation, you have 51 00:03:29,290 --> 00:03:32,490 Speaker 4: to preach and try to convert others and tell them, hey, 52 00:03:32,530 --> 00:03:34,570 Speaker 4: you better convert to be a Jova's Witness before it's 53 00:03:34,610 --> 00:03:36,050 Speaker 4: too late, because you're going to die. 54 00:03:36,210 --> 00:03:39,010 Speaker 1: And what happens if you convert then you don't die. 55 00:03:39,330 --> 00:03:42,330 Speaker 4: Yeah, And then what happens after armageddon is that paradise 56 00:03:42,410 --> 00:03:43,130 Speaker 4: will come to earth. 57 00:03:43,850 --> 00:03:47,050 Speaker 3: We'll all be walking around in like. 58 00:03:47,170 --> 00:03:50,730 Speaker 4: Sacks, burlapsick like you know, and will be cuddling pandas 59 00:03:50,770 --> 00:03:54,050 Speaker 4: and the tigers won't eat us and everyone's happy. 60 00:03:59,410 --> 00:04:03,370 Speaker 2: But you know, eternal life requires sacrifices. So while her 61 00:04:03,370 --> 00:04:08,010 Speaker 2: classmates were attending birthday parties and watching cartoons and being kids, 62 00:04:08,650 --> 00:04:09,970 Speaker 2: amber preaching door. 63 00:04:09,770 --> 00:04:12,050 Speaker 4: To door and as a kid sometimes you knocked on 64 00:04:12,090 --> 00:04:13,810 Speaker 4: the door of someone you went to school with, and 65 00:04:13,850 --> 00:04:18,289 Speaker 4: that was just the peak mortification. There were times where 66 00:04:18,330 --> 00:04:20,810 Speaker 4: we fake knocked because we knew that the kid lived there. 67 00:04:20,810 --> 00:04:22,170 Speaker 4: I didn't live in a very big area. 68 00:04:22,450 --> 00:04:23,770 Speaker 1: What does it mean to fake knock? 69 00:04:24,370 --> 00:04:25,809 Speaker 3: Some people called it the Bible knock. 70 00:04:26,049 --> 00:04:28,130 Speaker 4: So you hold the Bible up to the door and 71 00:04:28,210 --> 00:04:32,010 Speaker 4: then you knock on the Bible. The thing is, it's 72 00:04:32,010 --> 00:04:34,570 Speaker 4: a very complicated thing because as a Joe was an 73 00:04:34,650 --> 00:04:37,409 Speaker 4: is I really believed in it, and so I knew 74 00:04:37,409 --> 00:04:38,770 Speaker 4: that this is how we had to be. 75 00:04:38,810 --> 00:04:40,330 Speaker 3: You just accept that you were different. 76 00:04:41,409 --> 00:04:45,449 Speaker 2: But in spite of being different, Amber really loved school, 77 00:04:46,450 --> 00:04:48,650 Speaker 2: which brings us to Missus Mosen. 78 00:04:48,770 --> 00:04:52,849 Speaker 4: My first grade teacher. Her name was Missus Mosen. I 79 00:04:52,929 --> 00:04:54,489 Speaker 4: just think she was one of those people that's a 80 00:04:54,570 --> 00:04:57,330 Speaker 4: very good teacher. I was really shy as a kid, 81 00:04:57,369 --> 00:04:59,450 Speaker 4: and I think in a lot of classes I was in, 82 00:04:59,929 --> 00:05:02,969 Speaker 4: teachers overlooked me. And I was not the type of 83 00:05:03,049 --> 00:05:05,089 Speaker 4: kid that would you be really eager and put up 84 00:05:05,130 --> 00:05:08,330 Speaker 4: my hand and such. And she seemed to believe in me. 85 00:05:09,210 --> 00:05:11,249 Speaker 4: That was important. I mean that kind of stayed with me. 86 00:05:12,729 --> 00:05:13,089 Speaker 1: I don't know. 87 00:05:13,089 --> 00:05:14,730 Speaker 4: Maybe she was kind of like a mother figure. I 88 00:05:14,770 --> 00:05:16,690 Speaker 4: don't know, because my relationship with my own mom was 89 00:05:16,729 --> 00:05:19,570 Speaker 4: not very close. Yeah, and she had a son around 90 00:05:19,570 --> 00:05:22,089 Speaker 4: my age, and she always used to say that she 91 00:05:22,210 --> 00:05:24,570 Speaker 4: wanted her son to marry me when we grew up. 92 00:05:25,609 --> 00:05:29,409 Speaker 2: Amber did grow up. She graduated high school and one day. 93 00:05:29,690 --> 00:05:32,810 Speaker 2: Soon after graduating, Amber and her mom were in the 94 00:05:32,810 --> 00:05:35,969 Speaker 2: neighborhood of her old elementary school, so they decided to 95 00:05:36,210 --> 00:05:38,210 Speaker 2: stop by to see missus Mosen. 96 00:05:38,650 --> 00:05:40,810 Speaker 4: She was still in the same classroom and still teaching, 97 00:05:41,529 --> 00:05:45,210 Speaker 4: and she was so thrilled to see me. And then 98 00:05:45,369 --> 00:05:48,089 Speaker 4: she asked me, what college are you going to go 99 00:05:48,089 --> 00:05:49,650 Speaker 4: to now that you've graduated high school? 100 00:05:50,250 --> 00:05:53,529 Speaker 3: And I told her, oh, well, I'm not going to college. 101 00:05:53,609 --> 00:05:59,210 Speaker 4: Actually, you know, Joe's who says, we believe that we 102 00:05:59,289 --> 00:06:02,210 Speaker 4: need to share the good news of what we know. 103 00:06:02,609 --> 00:06:06,129 Speaker 4: So I'm going to be a full time preacher, you know, 104 00:06:06,130 --> 00:06:08,089 Speaker 4: I'm going to be it's like a missionary of sorts. 105 00:06:09,130 --> 00:06:12,409 Speaker 4: And I remember that her face just she looked stunned, and. 106 00:06:12,770 --> 00:06:15,330 Speaker 1: Because she thought she expected more. 107 00:06:15,330 --> 00:06:19,969 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and then sadness, like and it just the 108 00:06:20,010 --> 00:06:21,689 Speaker 4: look crossed her face just for a second. 109 00:06:21,810 --> 00:06:23,169 Speaker 3: Maybe she just said something in her eye. 110 00:06:23,169 --> 00:06:25,330 Speaker 4: I don't know, but I took when I saw that look, 111 00:06:25,330 --> 00:06:28,770 Speaker 4: I was like, oh, it kind of struck me that, 112 00:06:29,169 --> 00:06:38,969 Speaker 4: like she was really really sad. I think that there's 113 00:06:39,010 --> 00:06:41,969 Speaker 4: these moments through my life where I there would be 114 00:06:41,969 --> 00:06:45,890 Speaker 4: a second of lucidity about my religion, and I feel 115 00:06:45,890 --> 00:06:49,609 Speaker 4: like that was one of those moments, there was a 116 00:06:49,690 --> 00:06:52,890 Speaker 4: moment where I glimpsed the other side and the reality 117 00:06:52,890 --> 00:06:55,890 Speaker 4: of who I was and the conflict with you know 118 00:06:55,929 --> 00:06:59,569 Speaker 4: who I had to be met for a second, but 119 00:06:59,609 --> 00:07:00,650 Speaker 4: then I turned away from it. 120 00:07:01,929 --> 00:07:02,129 Speaker 5: You know. 121 00:07:02,169 --> 00:07:05,409 Speaker 4: At the time, I'm like, she just doesn't understand that 122 00:07:05,489 --> 00:07:09,010 Speaker 4: the world is ending. And then yeah, I laughed, and 123 00:07:09,210 --> 00:07:10,850 Speaker 4: I didn't ever see her again. 124 00:07:11,890 --> 00:07:15,210 Speaker 2: So for the next fifteen years, Amber preached. But that 125 00:07:15,290 --> 00:07:19,129 Speaker 2: moment of lucidity in the classroom with Missus Mosen led 126 00:07:19,130 --> 00:07:22,170 Speaker 2: to more moments of lucidity, these little cracks in the 127 00:07:22,250 --> 00:07:25,650 Speaker 2: things Amber had always believed to be true, And then 128 00:07:25,810 --> 00:07:29,010 Speaker 2: it all came to a head in China. She'd move 129 00:07:29,050 --> 00:07:31,369 Speaker 2: there to preach, even learning Mandarin. 130 00:07:31,850 --> 00:07:34,130 Speaker 4: When you're speaking another language, you can hear yourself in 131 00:07:34,170 --> 00:07:36,929 Speaker 4: a different way. Yeah, And even as I started to 132 00:07:36,929 --> 00:07:40,090 Speaker 4: teach the things that I believe to them, I would 133 00:07:40,090 --> 00:07:43,490 Speaker 4: think this is weird, Like it just sounds weird. 134 00:07:44,450 --> 00:07:45,929 Speaker 3: This even sounds a little crazy. 135 00:07:47,010 --> 00:07:50,090 Speaker 2: So although Amber had gone to China to convert people, 136 00:07:50,570 --> 00:07:54,010 Speaker 2: slowly she became the one to change her mind. And 137 00:07:54,130 --> 00:07:57,490 Speaker 2: for a long time she just kept these doubts to herself. 138 00:07:57,410 --> 00:08:00,809 Speaker 3: Because I didn't want to give up eternal life. 139 00:08:01,210 --> 00:08:03,850 Speaker 4: And I really like my friends, especially so for a 140 00:08:03,890 --> 00:08:06,810 Speaker 4: long time I hit it. But I'm not very good 141 00:08:06,810 --> 00:08:11,290 Speaker 4: at hiding things. That's one problem with my personality. So 142 00:08:12,010 --> 00:08:14,850 Speaker 4: it was more uncomfortable for me to try to keep 143 00:08:14,929 --> 00:08:17,050 Speaker 4: going in it when I didn't believe in it anymore. 144 00:08:17,090 --> 00:08:18,769 Speaker 4: And I don't have to pretend that I did, because 145 00:08:18,810 --> 00:08:20,569 Speaker 4: being a jobs one is you cannot be like a 146 00:08:20,610 --> 00:08:21,370 Speaker 4: Sunday Christian. 147 00:08:21,489 --> 00:08:22,970 Speaker 3: It involves your entire life. 148 00:08:23,810 --> 00:08:28,050 Speaker 1: And so eventually Amber admitted that she no longer believed, 149 00:08:28,290 --> 00:08:31,489 Speaker 1: and in a nutshell, what ended up happening was that 150 00:08:31,570 --> 00:08:34,650 Speaker 1: the church elders were called in and Amber was labeled 151 00:08:34,650 --> 00:08:40,010 Speaker 1: an apostate and was stranded in China, without money, without 152 00:08:40,210 --> 00:08:41,250 Speaker 1: friends or family. 153 00:08:41,890 --> 00:08:44,450 Speaker 4: Everyone that I knew just dropped me, like everyone in 154 00:08:44,490 --> 00:08:46,809 Speaker 4: my life. So like my grandmother was someone I was 155 00:08:46,890 --> 00:08:49,170 Speaker 4: very close to, and I wrote her. 156 00:08:49,090 --> 00:08:55,210 Speaker 3: A letter explaining, and she didn't write me back because 157 00:08:55,210 --> 00:08:56,490 Speaker 3: people are terrified. 158 00:08:56,890 --> 00:08:59,250 Speaker 4: People are taught that an apostate like me, someone who 159 00:08:59,370 --> 00:09:04,090 Speaker 4: doubts the faith is mentally diseased, is like a. 160 00:09:04,050 --> 00:09:05,730 Speaker 3: Dog that's returned to its vomit. 161 00:09:06,090 --> 00:09:10,210 Speaker 4: Like they use all this very like awful discs, and 162 00:09:10,250 --> 00:09:13,010 Speaker 4: so people they think that it's about their loyalty to God, 163 00:09:13,210 --> 00:09:15,490 Speaker 4: and so they just drop you. It doesn't matter who 164 00:09:15,570 --> 00:09:17,850 Speaker 4: you are, but if you're your daughter, your son, your mother, 165 00:09:17,970 --> 00:09:22,410 Speaker 4: your father, you just shun Immediately. I moved to New 166 00:09:22,490 --> 00:09:24,290 Speaker 4: York City. I was trying to figure out what to 167 00:09:24,290 --> 00:09:26,090 Speaker 4: do in my life. I didn't have an education past 168 00:09:26,130 --> 00:09:30,090 Speaker 4: high school. I didn't have much job experience. I didn't 169 00:09:30,170 --> 00:09:32,250 Speaker 4: know anyone here, I didn't have any friends, but I 170 00:09:32,290 --> 00:09:34,530 Speaker 4: did start to go to college. It's one of the 171 00:09:34,530 --> 00:09:35,330 Speaker 4: first things I did. 172 00:09:35,890 --> 00:09:38,290 Speaker 2: Amber started going to night school and working towards a 173 00:09:38,330 --> 00:09:41,130 Speaker 2: college degree, and as soon as she was back in. 174 00:09:41,090 --> 00:09:45,690 Speaker 4: School, Missus Molson popped back into my head, and I thought, oh, 175 00:09:47,010 --> 00:09:49,330 Speaker 4: you know, I think she had such high hopes for me. 176 00:09:50,690 --> 00:09:53,770 Speaker 4: I bet she would be happy to know that I 177 00:09:53,810 --> 00:09:57,050 Speaker 4: made it out. Maybe there's some way I could be 178 00:09:57,170 --> 00:10:00,130 Speaker 4: like I saw that look in your eye all those 179 00:10:00,210 --> 00:10:04,890 Speaker 4: years ago, and just tell her that maybe I'm fulfilling 180 00:10:04,890 --> 00:10:07,170 Speaker 4: the potential in some way that you saw in me. 181 00:10:08,490 --> 00:10:10,930 Speaker 2: Now, the question is how do we get in touch 182 00:10:10,970 --> 00:10:14,370 Speaker 2: with Missus Moson. Amber couldn't even remember her first name. 183 00:10:14,770 --> 00:10:16,490 Speaker 4: You know, It's funny, It's like on the tip of 184 00:10:16,530 --> 00:10:18,490 Speaker 4: my tongue. She had a very unusual first name. But 185 00:10:18,570 --> 00:10:21,370 Speaker 4: I can't. I've googled and I have tried, and I can't. 186 00:10:21,970 --> 00:10:24,250 Speaker 4: The sad thing is I could ask my mom, but 187 00:10:24,250 --> 00:10:25,450 Speaker 4: my mom doesn't knock to me. 188 00:10:25,530 --> 00:10:29,970 Speaker 2: My mom would remember, so I'm not sure what to 189 00:10:29,970 --> 00:10:34,650 Speaker 2: do without a full name. I try looking up Mosin 190 00:10:34,970 --> 00:10:38,810 Speaker 2: in the phone book. Amazingly in the area where Amber 191 00:10:38,850 --> 00:10:43,290 Speaker 2: grew up under Mosen there's just uh, there's only one listing. 192 00:10:43,730 --> 00:10:44,890 Speaker 1: Should we try calling it? 193 00:10:46,210 --> 00:10:47,290 Speaker 3: Let's try? We can try. 194 00:10:47,890 --> 00:10:48,650 Speaker 1: Is this exciting? 195 00:10:49,530 --> 00:11:01,090 Speaker 6: I feel nervous. I feel nervous. 196 00:11:02,010 --> 00:11:05,330 Speaker 3: Oh, oh, hello, is this missus Moson? 197 00:11:06,010 --> 00:11:06,450 Speaker 7: It is? 198 00:11:06,850 --> 00:11:07,010 Speaker 3: Oh? 199 00:11:07,090 --> 00:11:09,370 Speaker 4: Hi, I just want to I want to sure I 200 00:11:09,410 --> 00:11:11,530 Speaker 4: have the right missus. Did you teach at Bellmead School? 201 00:11:12,130 --> 00:11:13,810 Speaker 7: Yes, I did, so. 202 00:11:13,850 --> 00:11:15,170 Speaker 1: Amber explains who she is. 203 00:11:15,810 --> 00:11:17,450 Speaker 3: So, I'm one of your former students. 204 00:11:17,610 --> 00:11:21,650 Speaker 2: I'm Amber Scora, and she explains why she's calling. That 205 00:11:21,770 --> 00:11:25,330 Speaker 2: moment she still thinks about all these years later, just this. 206 00:11:25,290 --> 00:11:29,010 Speaker 4: Moment, there was a slight, like a subtle shift in 207 00:11:29,090 --> 00:11:33,170 Speaker 4: your face. And for this very lucid moment, I sensed 208 00:11:33,250 --> 00:11:36,370 Speaker 4: that you were sad, like that you felt that that 209 00:11:36,570 --> 00:11:37,810 Speaker 4: was like I was. 210 00:11:37,890 --> 00:11:38,930 Speaker 3: It was like a shame. 211 00:11:40,370 --> 00:11:42,770 Speaker 4: So long story short, I ended up moving to New 212 00:11:42,850 --> 00:11:45,050 Speaker 4: York because when you leave the jobs, Whnes says, they 213 00:11:45,090 --> 00:11:47,170 Speaker 4: all shun you. So like, no one in my family 214 00:11:47,170 --> 00:11:48,770 Speaker 4: speaks to me anymore because of that. 215 00:11:49,690 --> 00:11:51,130 Speaker 7: Yeah, not even your mom. 216 00:11:51,290 --> 00:11:52,170 Speaker 3: No, she doesn't either. 217 00:11:52,410 --> 00:11:55,930 Speaker 4: Actually, But the point of this whole story is that 218 00:11:55,970 --> 00:11:58,930 Speaker 4: I was I've I thought back to you, and I 219 00:11:59,050 --> 00:12:02,610 Speaker 4: felt like, now I would like to tell you that 220 00:12:03,090 --> 00:12:05,690 Speaker 4: I escaped and that that moment when you looked at 221 00:12:05,690 --> 00:12:09,809 Speaker 4: me that way, it actually it did something in me, 222 00:12:10,010 --> 00:12:12,250 Speaker 4: and it's something that came back to me now that I, 223 00:12:12,410 --> 00:12:13,690 Speaker 4: you know, had. 224 00:12:13,650 --> 00:12:15,570 Speaker 7: Left, sort of stayed with you, did it. 225 00:12:15,810 --> 00:12:16,170 Speaker 3: Yeah? 226 00:12:16,410 --> 00:12:18,410 Speaker 4: And I also just wanted to say, like, as a teacher, 227 00:12:18,890 --> 00:12:21,570 Speaker 4: I think you were probably like the teacher I remember 228 00:12:21,650 --> 00:12:22,650 Speaker 4: most for my whole childhood. 229 00:12:22,810 --> 00:12:23,770 Speaker 7: Oh thank you. 230 00:12:23,930 --> 00:12:24,850 Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt like you. 231 00:12:24,810 --> 00:12:27,010 Speaker 4: Really saw me. And I just wanted to tell you that, Like, 232 00:12:27,050 --> 00:12:28,010 Speaker 4: I'm going to college now. 233 00:12:28,010 --> 00:12:28,610 Speaker 3: I take night. 234 00:12:28,530 --> 00:12:30,770 Speaker 7: School, So what are you what are you studying. 235 00:12:30,970 --> 00:12:34,530 Speaker 4: I'm actually getting a degree in psychology because when I finished, 236 00:12:34,610 --> 00:12:37,450 Speaker 4: I wanted to become like a therapist that helps people 237 00:12:37,570 --> 00:12:39,450 Speaker 4: sort of the same similar situation that I was in 238 00:12:39,490 --> 00:12:42,210 Speaker 4: to escape cults or like mind control and help them 239 00:12:42,210 --> 00:12:43,250 Speaker 4: to deprogram and. 240 00:12:44,290 --> 00:12:46,650 Speaker 7: Can I tell you how proud I am of you. 241 00:12:47,410 --> 00:12:48,570 Speaker 3: Oh that's so nice. 242 00:12:48,730 --> 00:12:52,210 Speaker 7: I mean, you were you were so bright. And when 243 00:12:52,370 --> 00:12:55,850 Speaker 7: when you said that you weren't going to university, I 244 00:12:55,890 --> 00:13:00,410 Speaker 7: mean I just I was shocked. I couldn't understand it, 245 00:13:00,530 --> 00:13:02,530 Speaker 7: you know, I thought, my god, why doesn't that girl 246 00:13:02,610 --> 00:13:05,770 Speaker 7: go to university? But I couldn't say too much with 247 00:13:05,850 --> 00:13:06,730 Speaker 7: your mother being. 248 00:13:06,850 --> 00:13:08,410 Speaker 3: Oh that's funny. Yeah, I could see it in your 249 00:13:08,410 --> 00:13:09,610 Speaker 3: face because. 250 00:13:09,410 --> 00:13:13,170 Speaker 7: You just stood out as far as academics was concerned. 251 00:13:13,330 --> 00:13:15,130 Speaker 7: I surprised the road on my face. 252 00:13:15,410 --> 00:13:15,850 Speaker 3: That's funny. 253 00:13:15,930 --> 00:13:17,890 Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know, I ticked it out, but it's 254 00:13:17,890 --> 00:13:19,170 Speaker 4: really nice to hear you say that now. 255 00:13:20,050 --> 00:13:22,810 Speaker 7: I mean, I'm just so glad that you're doing it. 256 00:13:22,890 --> 00:13:23,090 Speaker 5: Now. 257 00:13:23,210 --> 00:13:27,490 Speaker 7: Don't ever let anybody deter you from whatever you want 258 00:13:27,530 --> 00:13:36,490 Speaker 7: to become. You become. I'm so glad for you. Really, 259 00:13:36,770 --> 00:13:38,690 Speaker 7: you're making an old woman very happy. 260 00:13:38,810 --> 00:13:40,170 Speaker 3: Oh I'm so glad I reached you. 261 00:13:40,370 --> 00:13:47,850 Speaker 7: Just absolutely amazing. It just made my day. 262 00:13:53,770 --> 00:13:57,930 Speaker 2: Amber has just been accepted into Harvard and she'll be 263 00:13:57,930 --> 00:14:18,610 Speaker 2: beginning virtual classes in the fall. Stevie, Yes, Khalila, Yeah, 264 00:14:18,650 --> 00:14:21,090 Speaker 2: you know this is probably before your day, But in 265 00:14:21,170 --> 00:14:25,730 Speaker 2: nineteen seventy nine, Pink Floyd saying, hey, teacher, leave those 266 00:14:25,810 --> 00:14:29,010 Speaker 2: kids alone. But here it is twenty twenty, and we 267 00:14:29,130 --> 00:14:32,090 Speaker 2: don't want those kids left alone, not at all. 268 00:14:32,650 --> 00:14:35,490 Speaker 8: Sounds like you're like on all things considered, I feel 269 00:14:35,530 --> 00:14:38,490 Speaker 8: like that's like a very like NPR, like hostant tro. 270 00:14:38,970 --> 00:14:44,730 Speaker 2: I'm Jonathan Goldstein. So this next story is about Ava, 271 00:14:44,970 --> 00:14:48,050 Speaker 2: who also can't stop thinking about her first grade teacher, 272 00:14:49,010 --> 00:14:52,570 Speaker 2: a woman named Miss Susie, who taught her thirty years 273 00:14:52,570 --> 00:14:55,890 Speaker 2: ago in a small Connecticut town called Jewett City. 274 00:14:56,490 --> 00:14:59,650 Speaker 5: We lived in a house that didn't have heat or 275 00:14:59,730 --> 00:15:02,330 Speaker 5: hot water. We didn't have a car, we didn't have 276 00:15:02,370 --> 00:15:03,370 Speaker 5: a phone, we didn't. 277 00:15:03,170 --> 00:15:03,610 Speaker 1: Have a TV. 278 00:15:04,930 --> 00:15:07,330 Speaker 5: I went to this Catholic school when I was young, 279 00:15:08,050 --> 00:15:12,570 Speaker 5: and I just we remember this woman named Missussie. She 280 00:15:12,930 --> 00:15:16,490 Speaker 5: was the person that first told me about New York 281 00:15:16,530 --> 00:15:20,930 Speaker 5: City and I live in New York City. Because she 282 00:15:21,050 --> 00:15:24,610 Speaker 5: was very influential to me, I felt like she was radical. 283 00:15:24,690 --> 00:15:27,090 Speaker 5: Maybe she wasn't. Maybe she just felt radical to me 284 00:15:27,250 --> 00:15:30,450 Speaker 5: because she was kind and she felt different than the 285 00:15:30,490 --> 00:15:34,690 Speaker 5: rest of the teachers. She never spoke to us like 286 00:15:34,770 --> 00:15:37,410 Speaker 5: we were children. She just spoke to us like we 287 00:15:37,410 --> 00:15:42,770 Speaker 5: were smaller people, her making us listen to John Lennon's 288 00:15:42,770 --> 00:15:46,450 Speaker 5: Imagine and giving us little candles so that we could 289 00:15:46,530 --> 00:15:49,610 Speaker 5: sway back and forth like we were at our own concert. 290 00:15:50,050 --> 00:15:52,570 Speaker 2: To think about some of the lyrics to imagine, you 291 00:15:52,610 --> 00:15:54,650 Speaker 2: know about how imagine there's no heaven. 292 00:15:55,250 --> 00:15:56,930 Speaker 5: Yeah, imagine there's no religion. 293 00:15:57,530 --> 00:16:00,090 Speaker 2: I mean that does seem kind of like in the 294 00:16:00,170 --> 00:16:02,410 Speaker 2: context of a Catholic school with nuns walking around, that 295 00:16:02,490 --> 00:16:03,290 Speaker 2: is kind of radical. 296 00:16:09,250 --> 00:16:13,290 Speaker 5: During this time period, my mom has been in recovery 297 00:16:13,330 --> 00:16:17,490 Speaker 5: for twenty seven years now, but she didn't quit drinking 298 00:16:17,570 --> 00:16:20,210 Speaker 5: until I was eight years old, so I spent a 299 00:16:20,250 --> 00:16:24,370 Speaker 5: majority of my time caring for my mom. There were times, 300 00:16:24,450 --> 00:16:28,330 Speaker 5: because I was really worried about her, that I would 301 00:16:28,330 --> 00:16:31,010 Speaker 5: actually sneak out of school and I would try to 302 00:16:31,050 --> 00:16:33,570 Speaker 5: go home and make sure she was okay because she 303 00:16:33,650 --> 00:16:36,650 Speaker 5: had she fell down the stairs one time, and she 304 00:16:36,690 --> 00:16:41,610 Speaker 5: would get hurt because she would be drunk. And when 305 00:16:41,650 --> 00:16:44,970 Speaker 5: I got to school, my first grade teacher she would 306 00:16:45,010 --> 00:16:47,250 Speaker 5: make me be able to forget about those things a 307 00:16:47,290 --> 00:16:50,290 Speaker 5: little bit until really I got off the bus to 308 00:16:50,330 --> 00:16:53,450 Speaker 5: get back home. And so I think that's why I 309 00:16:53,490 --> 00:16:56,210 Speaker 5: was really drawn to this teacher, because she made me 310 00:16:56,210 --> 00:16:58,970 Speaker 5: feel safe and she made me feel like things were 311 00:16:58,970 --> 00:17:02,570 Speaker 5: going to be okay. And that's kind of why I'm 312 00:17:02,570 --> 00:17:05,409 Speaker 5: thinking about her right now, because there's this sense of 313 00:17:06,250 --> 00:17:07,770 Speaker 5: safety that we're all looking for. 314 00:17:08,649 --> 00:17:12,169 Speaker 2: So Ava only had Miss Susie that one year for 315 00:17:12,250 --> 00:17:15,810 Speaker 2: first grade, and then Miss Susie left the school. But 316 00:17:15,889 --> 00:17:19,809 Speaker 2: then she actually came back seven years later to attend 317 00:17:19,889 --> 00:17:22,049 Speaker 2: Ava's eighth grade graduation. 318 00:17:22,090 --> 00:17:25,249 Speaker 5: And she was standing off to the right, and we 319 00:17:25,369 --> 00:17:28,889 Speaker 5: hadn't seen her since she left. Wow, And I remember 320 00:17:29,449 --> 00:17:31,609 Speaker 5: I remember looking at her and I saw her and 321 00:17:31,649 --> 00:17:34,730 Speaker 5: she said, she mouthed, I'm so proud of you, and 322 00:17:34,970 --> 00:17:37,850 Speaker 5: for somebody that went through a lot at that time, 323 00:17:37,889 --> 00:17:43,770 Speaker 5: it was really wonderful. I keep a series of photographs 324 00:17:43,929 --> 00:17:47,889 Speaker 5: in my vanity area, and I still have the class 325 00:17:47,929 --> 00:17:52,530 Speaker 5: photograph of everybody. It's next to a picture of my grandmother, 326 00:17:52,649 --> 00:17:55,890 Speaker 5: and it says Miss Susie nineteen ninety like I. 327 00:17:55,850 --> 00:17:57,850 Speaker 1: Look at it every day. Huh. 328 00:17:58,050 --> 00:18:02,569 Speaker 5: I just look elated. I look so happy in that photo. 329 00:18:04,010 --> 00:18:07,609 Speaker 5: I wonder if she still thinks about us, and I 330 00:18:07,649 --> 00:18:08,769 Speaker 5: wonder if she's still teaching. 331 00:18:09,810 --> 00:18:11,050 Speaker 3: I would really like to talk to. 332 00:18:11,010 --> 00:18:14,050 Speaker 5: Her again and thank her for you know, inspiring me 333 00:18:14,209 --> 00:18:17,649 Speaker 5: to letting me tell her that I'm really grateful for 334 00:18:18,209 --> 00:18:21,850 Speaker 5: the strength to go someplace else besides Suett City. 335 00:18:23,730 --> 00:18:27,410 Speaker 2: So the only problem really was finding Miss Susie, this 336 00:18:27,490 --> 00:18:31,609 Speaker 2: woman that Eva hadn't seen in decades. And added to 337 00:18:31,649 --> 00:18:35,529 Speaker 2: that was, you know, the ever constant problem of someone 338 00:18:35,730 --> 00:18:38,449 Speaker 2: in search of their first grade teacher, which was that 339 00:18:38,889 --> 00:18:42,570 Speaker 2: Eva was not one hundred percent sure of Miss Susie's 340 00:18:42,570 --> 00:18:46,649 Speaker 2: first name. And it was at this point, Khalila, that 341 00:18:46,730 --> 00:18:49,889 Speaker 2: I turned to you, yes, to help in this search. 342 00:18:50,970 --> 00:18:52,290 Speaker 8: It was very hard. 343 00:18:52,889 --> 00:18:56,369 Speaker 2: Dozens of Miss Susie's across Connecticut were phoned. 344 00:18:56,449 --> 00:19:00,449 Speaker 8: And then finally called the right person. She still is 345 00:19:00,490 --> 00:19:02,450 Speaker 8: a teacher, she's an upstate New York now. 346 00:19:03,010 --> 00:19:07,409 Speaker 2: So I connected Ava with Miss Susie, and you know, 347 00:19:07,730 --> 00:19:09,850 Speaker 2: at the beginning, it was a little awkward, as these 348 00:19:09,929 --> 00:19:16,689 Speaker 2: things can be, but Miss Susie was just very kind, 349 00:19:17,129 --> 00:19:18,609 Speaker 2: just as she was all those years ago. 350 00:19:19,490 --> 00:19:22,129 Speaker 9: I don't know that you know, but the year that 351 00:19:22,169 --> 00:19:25,209 Speaker 9: I taught you, that was my very very first year teaching. 352 00:19:25,290 --> 00:19:25,609 Speaker 3: Ever. 353 00:19:26,010 --> 00:19:29,529 Speaker 9: I was twenty two, So our first day of school 354 00:19:29,570 --> 00:19:32,449 Speaker 9: together wasn't just your first day of first grade. It 355 00:19:32,530 --> 00:19:37,009 Speaker 9: was my first day of first grade entirely. I was 356 00:19:37,090 --> 00:19:40,090 Speaker 9: just out of college and I was younger than you 357 00:19:40,169 --> 00:19:40,649 Speaker 9: are now. 358 00:19:41,369 --> 00:19:45,969 Speaker 5: I didn't know that. I mean, it seemed you were 359 00:19:46,050 --> 00:19:47,889 Speaker 5: unlike any of the rest of the teachers that I 360 00:19:47,970 --> 00:19:51,450 Speaker 5: remember from that area. But the other part was so 361 00:19:51,609 --> 00:19:54,050 Speaker 5: I don't obviously I don't think that you would know this, 362 00:19:54,290 --> 00:19:58,810 Speaker 5: but my mom got sober when I was eight, So 363 00:19:59,330 --> 00:20:02,529 Speaker 5: when I was six, I was in your class and 364 00:20:02,570 --> 00:20:03,449 Speaker 5: she was still drinking. 365 00:20:05,490 --> 00:20:08,929 Speaker 9: I did know that, I was told that by a 366 00:20:09,169 --> 00:20:12,850 Speaker 9: else in the building, but I don't think that I 367 00:20:12,889 --> 00:20:14,210 Speaker 9: realized how much you knew. 368 00:20:14,649 --> 00:20:26,649 Speaker 10: So after your class, sorry, oh no, that's okay. 369 00:20:26,810 --> 00:20:30,729 Speaker 5: The year that I had with you was really it 370 00:20:30,810 --> 00:20:33,329 Speaker 5: was really wonderful because I was so engaged and I 371 00:20:33,369 --> 00:20:37,249 Speaker 5: wasn't really worried about my mom. I didn't know if 372 00:20:37,290 --> 00:20:40,770 Speaker 5: you knew, like of course, like my mom would show 373 00:20:40,850 --> 00:20:43,010 Speaker 5: up sometimes to pick me up, and I know she 374 00:20:43,050 --> 00:20:48,490 Speaker 5: would be drunk, and she would be drunk driving. From 375 00:20:48,530 --> 00:20:51,049 Speaker 5: that time on, I always like I worried about her. 376 00:20:51,050 --> 00:20:52,129 Speaker 11: I worried about her a lot. 377 00:20:52,209 --> 00:20:56,129 Speaker 5: But I do remember like first grade, that class to 378 00:20:56,209 --> 00:20:59,490 Speaker 5: me was very freeing because I wasn't really worried that much. 379 00:21:02,570 --> 00:21:06,009 Speaker 5: It was important for me to let you know that. 380 00:21:06,090 --> 00:21:08,449 Speaker 5: I thought of that time period as like the last 381 00:21:08,449 --> 00:21:11,969 Speaker 5: time that I like, I didn't worry, I was allowed 382 00:21:12,010 --> 00:21:12,609 Speaker 5: to be a kid. 383 00:21:15,129 --> 00:21:17,209 Speaker 9: I thank you so much for sharing that with me. 384 00:21:18,250 --> 00:21:20,889 Speaker 9: You know, I I say that I knew, but it 385 00:21:20,929 --> 00:21:22,969 Speaker 9: was it was kind of a just in passing. It 386 00:21:23,010 --> 00:21:26,889 Speaker 9: wasn't a I feel all the more blessed to have 387 00:21:26,929 --> 00:21:30,090 Speaker 9: been a part of that and to have made it 388 00:21:30,250 --> 00:21:32,490 Speaker 9: a place, you know, where you didn't have to worry, 389 00:21:32,490 --> 00:21:34,689 Speaker 9: where you got to be a child, because that's what 390 00:21:34,770 --> 00:21:36,649 Speaker 9: you were. You, you know, you were just a sweet 391 00:21:36,649 --> 00:21:40,609 Speaker 9: little girl. The one thing I remember about your mom, 392 00:21:40,649 --> 00:21:42,209 Speaker 9: because I do have a vague picture of her in 393 00:21:42,290 --> 00:21:45,850 Speaker 9: my head, was that she let me know that you 394 00:21:45,889 --> 00:21:48,570 Speaker 9: were a very good reader and that you had taught 395 00:21:48,609 --> 00:21:51,490 Speaker 9: yourself how to read. And it was like her way 396 00:21:51,570 --> 00:21:54,570 Speaker 9: of letting me know to make sure that I challenged you, 397 00:21:54,689 --> 00:21:56,730 Speaker 9: or to you know, maybe she was afraid you would 398 00:21:56,770 --> 00:21:59,009 Speaker 9: be shy or quiet and not you know, not have 399 00:21:59,129 --> 00:22:01,769 Speaker 9: your true colors come out. But that is really the 400 00:22:01,810 --> 00:22:04,969 Speaker 9: one thing I remember her saying to me, and I 401 00:22:05,850 --> 00:22:06,529 Speaker 9: held on to that. 402 00:22:08,010 --> 00:22:10,369 Speaker 5: I still actually have a pair of earrings that you made. 403 00:22:10,490 --> 00:22:13,009 Speaker 5: At one point you were like making jewelry, and you 404 00:22:13,050 --> 00:22:17,410 Speaker 5: were we would do those like church basement your sale things, 405 00:22:17,689 --> 00:22:20,290 Speaker 5: and they don't have hooks on them anymore, but I've 406 00:22:20,290 --> 00:22:21,090 Speaker 5: always kept. 407 00:22:20,889 --> 00:22:27,090 Speaker 9: Them absolutely just I have no words for that, that 408 00:22:27,369 --> 00:22:33,330 Speaker 9: you still have them, that that really, Oh my gosh, 409 00:22:34,409 --> 00:22:53,530 Speaker 9: oh you're you're You're making me speechless. That year was 410 00:22:53,570 --> 00:22:56,770 Speaker 9: so special to me. I the very last day of school, 411 00:22:58,330 --> 00:23:01,689 Speaker 9: we all walked out the one main door, and the 412 00:23:01,730 --> 00:23:04,969 Speaker 9: bus came and picked everybody up, you know, all the 413 00:23:05,050 --> 00:23:09,130 Speaker 9: kids spilled out the windows and are waving goodbye. And 414 00:23:08,929 --> 00:23:14,689 Speaker 9: I ran back into the school and I shut myself 415 00:23:14,689 --> 00:23:18,729 Speaker 9: in a stall and I cried and cried and cried, 416 00:23:19,490 --> 00:23:22,689 Speaker 9: and the third grade teacher at the time came looking 417 00:23:22,730 --> 00:23:26,570 Speaker 9: for me, and she said, what's wrong, what's the matter. 418 00:23:27,129 --> 00:23:29,929 Speaker 9: And I remember saying to her, I said, they left, 419 00:23:30,689 --> 00:23:34,330 Speaker 9: they left, and it will never be this year again. 420 00:23:34,570 --> 00:23:38,090 Speaker 9: I'll never have this again. I just knew that it 421 00:23:38,090 --> 00:23:44,609 Speaker 9: would never be so pure. And I'm just glad that 422 00:23:44,649 --> 00:23:47,409 Speaker 9: we connected, that you were in my class, that I 423 00:23:47,490 --> 00:23:51,850 Speaker 9: did get that job, that there wasn't some other version 424 00:23:52,010 --> 00:23:54,689 Speaker 9: of first grade for you, or some other version of 425 00:23:54,730 --> 00:23:55,529 Speaker 9: a career for me. 426 00:23:56,050 --> 00:24:02,609 Speaker 5: So it's sometimes overwhelming when you think that you're the 427 00:24:02,609 --> 00:24:07,090 Speaker 5: only person that's thought of the other you know, I 428 00:24:07,169 --> 00:24:09,809 Speaker 5: just assumed that I was carrying all this stuff with 429 00:24:09,850 --> 00:24:14,450 Speaker 5: me for this many years without being considered, but being remembered. 430 00:24:14,490 --> 00:24:16,250 Speaker 3: That age also feels really nice. 431 00:24:16,730 --> 00:24:20,170 Speaker 9: It's really satisfying in a way that nothing has kind 432 00:24:20,209 --> 00:24:23,649 Speaker 9: of felt before, to uh, to be able to talk 433 00:24:23,970 --> 00:24:27,169 Speaker 9: with with uh, someone I knew when they were such 434 00:24:27,330 --> 00:24:31,209 Speaker 9: a little girl and and I was such a young woman. 435 00:24:31,449 --> 00:24:34,169 Speaker 9: I mean we were, we were both we were both 436 00:24:34,290 --> 00:24:36,290 Speaker 9: just newbies, we were both fresh in a way. 437 00:24:41,129 --> 00:24:44,650 Speaker 5: Do you remember Julie Lordie and Paul Wisnowski? 438 00:24:45,689 --> 00:24:48,850 Speaker 9: I do, yes, I do absolutely remember those names. 439 00:24:48,970 --> 00:24:50,490 Speaker 5: So do you know they're married now? 440 00:24:51,369 --> 00:24:51,689 Speaker 11: Now? 441 00:24:51,730 --> 00:24:54,169 Speaker 5: I would past them around the schoolyard. She had a 442 00:24:54,169 --> 00:24:56,169 Speaker 5: really good crush on them in the first grade, and 443 00:24:56,209 --> 00:24:56,810 Speaker 5: we all knew it. 444 00:24:57,649 --> 00:25:32,530 Speaker 1: Thought, Hello, John, Hi, Hi, how are you? 445 00:25:33,850 --> 00:25:37,170 Speaker 11: I'm well worried and well, you know, how about yourself? 446 00:25:38,129 --> 00:25:40,530 Speaker 1: Worried and well, I guess yeah, it's a good way 447 00:25:40,570 --> 00:25:41,010 Speaker 1: to put it. 448 00:25:42,409 --> 00:25:48,050 Speaker 2: Yeah, can I can I ask you to uh to 449 00:25:48,129 --> 00:25:50,530 Speaker 2: play some in an empty room? 450 00:25:50,570 --> 00:25:51,609 Speaker 11: Sure? I'd be glad to. 451 00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:54,209 Speaker 1: Yeah. When's the when's the last time you played it? 452 00:25:55,449 --> 00:25:55,609 Speaker 11: Hm? 453 00:25:55,649 --> 00:25:55,810 Speaker 1: Hmm? 454 00:25:56,810 --> 00:26:00,010 Speaker 11: I think uh it would have been on that tour 455 00:26:00,490 --> 00:26:02,810 Speaker 11: in the Midwest where I saw where we saw you, 456 00:26:03,889 --> 00:26:05,609 Speaker 11: so I think it. Yeah, I think it would have 457 00:26:05,609 --> 00:26:08,250 Speaker 11: been in Fargo. Actually it would have been the last 458 00:26:08,250 --> 00:26:11,330 Speaker 11: time I played it. So I'll just put the phone 459 00:26:11,409 --> 00:26:17,010 Speaker 11: down and then, uh, we'll see, uh, see how this works. 460 00:26:21,250 --> 00:26:26,609 Speaker 11: Now that the furnitures returning to its goodwill home. 461 00:26:29,129 --> 00:26:35,250 Speaker 12: With dishes in last week's papers, roumors and elections, crosswords 462 00:26:35,250 --> 00:26:41,609 Speaker 12: on unending war, blacken, our fingers smear their prints on 463 00:26:41,770 --> 00:26:48,609 Speaker 12: every door pulled shut. Now that the last month's rent 464 00:26:48,850 --> 00:26:53,369 Speaker 12: is scheming with the damage deposit, take this moment to 465 00:26:53,649 --> 00:26:58,529 Speaker 12: decide if we meant it, if we try. 466 00:27:00,689 --> 00:27:05,769 Speaker 13: We felt around for far too much, from things that 467 00:27:05,929 --> 00:27:16,330 Speaker 13: accidentally touched, the hands that we nearly hold with pennies 468 00:27:16,409 --> 00:27:25,330 Speaker 13: for the gst, the shoulders we lean our shoulders into 469 00:27:25,609 --> 00:27:31,409 Speaker 13: on the subway, mutter on apology, the shins that we 470 00:27:31,730 --> 00:27:40,810 Speaker 13: kick beneath the table, that reflexive cry, the faces we 471 00:27:40,929 --> 00:27:46,730 Speaker 13: meet one awkward beat too long and terriorfy know the 472 00:27:46,770 --> 00:27:53,810 Speaker 13: things we need to say but said already any way. 473 00:27:55,490 --> 00:28:03,850 Speaker 13: A parallelograms of light walls that we repainted white. 474 00:28:07,609 --> 00:28:08,850 Speaker 1: Sign in an. 475 00:28:08,730 --> 00:28:18,250 Speaker 14: Empty room, sign in an empty room, sign in an 476 00:28:18,250 --> 00:28:23,729 Speaker 14: empty room, sign in an empty room. 477 00:28:24,090 --> 00:28:31,409 Speaker 13: Take eight minutes and divide but ninety million longly miles 478 00:28:33,250 --> 00:28:36,049 Speaker 13: and watch a shadow cross the floor. 479 00:28:38,250 --> 00:28:40,290 Speaker 14: We don't live here anymore.