Speaker 1: Loud and Quiet Presents Midnight Chats. We never set out
Speaker 1: with a particular mood in mind for how each one
Speaker 1: of Midnight Chats turns out. Not all of these episodes
Speaker 1: of our podcast series are feel good conversations, but it
Speaker 1: just so happens the last couple have been. The most
Speaker 1: recent episode with loyal Kana was not just because he
Speaker 1: was a pleasurable guy to spend time with, but he
Speaker 1: also had this sort of restless compulsion to help other people.
Speaker 1: Whether that was as he was explaining in the chat,
Speaker 1: giving his mum a hand with an IKEA shelving unit
Speaker 1: or running his annual cooking school for young adults with ADHD.
Speaker 1: He just had this really uplifting, generous, infectious energy, and
Speaker 1: this new episode certainly left me feeling pretty optimistic too.
Speaker 1: In the middle of twenty sixteen, my guest Lucy Rose
Speaker 1: left London on a two month journey, having made two
Speaker 1: albums done the major label thing. She was, in her
Speaker 1: own words, in a moment of doubt and a bit
Speaker 1: disillusioned with the music industry and how things were going,
Speaker 1: and she was left questioning whether making music was really
Speaker 1: for her, whether she was doing the right thing at
Speaker 1: that time and given. She toured like most other musicians
Speaker 1: and artists in the past, the usual venues, processes, places,
Speaker 1: and conventions. What she did next was kind of radical.
Speaker 1: She spoke to her fans in South America via social
Speaker 1: media and said, I'm coming to see you, please, can
Speaker 1: you book a space for me to play a free
Speaker 1: show and let me stay in your house, in your
Speaker 1: spare room, on your sofa, and off she went. A
Speaker 1: lot of these places were well off the traditional touring
Speaker 1: brid the gigs, the people, the experience didn't just have
Speaker 1: a profound effect on Lucy but also on those fans
Speaker 1: she went and stayed with. And you can see it
Speaker 1: all in the short film she's made about it, the
Speaker 1: documentaries on YouTube. It's called Something's Changing, which is the
Speaker 1: same name as her new album. And I think in
Speaker 1: the conversation you're about to hear that emotion really comes through.
Speaker 1: You can hear it in Lucy's voice when she talks
Speaker 1: about it all, and it's all just quite uplifting. So
Speaker 1: if you're sick of the constant barrage of bad news,
Speaker 1: hopefully the next forty minutes will be some kind of
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Speaker 1: other Thursday so on, with Episode thirty one then recorded
Speaker 1: in our offices in East London just last week, Lucy
Speaker 1: Rose talking about everything from festival set lengths to why
Speaker 1: she hates birthday cards, the joy and difficulty of managing
Speaker 1: herself and taking selfies with Keith the Sutherland from twenty
Speaker 1: four and of course the life changing trip that I've
Speaker 1: already mentioned.
Speaker 2: This is Midnight Chats. How have you been you will?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Really good? Nice and busy, which feels good at
Speaker 3: this time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you've had a busy day. You've already been to
Speaker 1: BBC six Music today?
Speaker 4: Yeah. Done my laure la Verne session this morning, which
Speaker 4: is it's always so good. I feel like that show
Speaker 4: is quite iconic, isn't it to play law la Verne?
Speaker 4: So I was really thrilled to do that, and then
Speaker 4: went and did a weird panel for the Brits about
Speaker 4: festival set lens, sort of discussion about whether festival sets
Speaker 4: are too short and whether they're cramming in too many artists.
Speaker 4: Right and I'm here, which is very exciting.
Speaker 1: What's your view on that is that? Do you think
Speaker 1: they're too short?
Speaker 3: I've just been talking about it.
Speaker 1: It's good.
Speaker 4: My view is, well, yeah, I think for me, the
Speaker 4: thing the problem with sometimes like set lens is the
Speaker 4: change over time between artists. I think maybe behind the
Speaker 4: scenes a bit of when you've got twenty minutes is
Speaker 4: the shortest I've had before, but it's just impossible and
Speaker 4: it's really stressful. That band has to get all their
Speaker 4: gear off, You have to set all your gear up,
Speaker 4: check it all, get your monitors sounding okay, and most
Speaker 4: of the time you come off stage so stressed and
Speaker 4: they're like, you've got thirty second sometime you need to
Speaker 4: go on, and it's just it's hard because the amount
Speaker 4: of artists I've seen a festivals of any technical problems
Speaker 4: which has just come from not having enough time to
Speaker 4: set the gear up properly.
Speaker 3: And check it all.
Speaker 1: We've had people on the podcast before we've been quite
Speaker 1: open and honest about saying like festivals sometimes are just
Speaker 1: a necessary thing that they have to do and it's
Speaker 1: their least kind of favorite of really all the shows.
Speaker 1: Like Admittedly, the thing that people often say is they
Speaker 1: enjoy playing to an audience that's necessarily theirs, which I
Speaker 1: totally take that point. Good opportunities to expand your fan
Speaker 1: base and things like that, but the actual scenario can
Speaker 1: be quite as you just explain, a little bit stressful,
Speaker 1: quite pressured.
Speaker 4: Not that it makes me feel so much better, because
Speaker 4: that's how I feel, and I just feel that there's
Speaker 4: something wrong with me that I for not enjoying myself more.
Speaker 1: But I think it's okay to say that though. Isn't
Speaker 1: it like if it at festivals that you have a
Speaker 1: preference of playing other types of shows, And I think it's.
Speaker 4: I think it's so dependent. But the stress part of
Speaker 4: it all, and it's such a way sometimes for half
Speaker 4: an hour or something, you drive six hours in a van,
Speaker 4: turn up, it's just all go in this sort of
Speaker 4: hour slot you have where it's doing the changeover, setting
Speaker 4: anything up, then playing and not running over. There's a
Speaker 4: big clock on the stage, don't go over, so then
Speaker 4: you think I'm not going to talk at all or
Speaker 4: say anything, so I can play the songs that I
Speaker 4: want to say, and then it feels harder to make
Speaker 4: the same connection to the crowd, and you sometimes worrying
Speaker 4: about people coming in drifting out the ten You can
Speaker 4: see people leaving as they're going to go and watch
Speaker 4: something else. You know, they come and watch a couple
Speaker 4: songs of yours and some people leave and you think,
Speaker 4: oh god, they hate it, and you know I'm boring them,
Speaker 4: and they're going to go watch someone better and who
Speaker 4: someone else is on and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 4: So I think there's a lot going through my mind,
Speaker 4: and I often just don't play the songs that I
Speaker 4: like the most, which are my quieter ones and my
Speaker 4: more acoustic.
Speaker 1: Songs, because it does the occasion.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and especially if people are chatting and having a
Speaker 4: good time and everything. But actually going to a festival
Speaker 4: as a punch, it's so much fun, and I think
Speaker 4: I'm just sometimes jealous. You feel so disconnected to that
Speaker 4: fun that's happening. When you're performing.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're pretty much not exactly fresh. Were like ten
Speaker 1: days on now, but you were a glass to me
Speaker 1: this year. Yeah, playing just after or just before Keifer Sutherland.
Speaker 3: Just after Keifer Sutherland.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a cool thing to say, right, very cool.
Speaker 3: I was desperate for it. I was like, I'm going
Speaker 3: to get a selfie. I've got to.
Speaker 4: It's Keith Sutherland. It would be such a shame not to.
Speaker 4: And then when he was there, he was quite you know, stern.
Speaker 4: He had like a fag hanging out of his mouth,
Speaker 4: and cowboy boots on, big cowboy hat, a lot of
Speaker 4: security and stuff, and I was like, oh, I just can't.
Speaker 4: I've got to play it somewhat cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was.
Speaker 4: Hoping to watch his set, but it was all closed
Speaker 4: off and the stage was closed off for his set, right,
Speaker 4: and we were all moved. We couldn't be, no one
Speaker 4: could be sort of behind the scenes. Even though we
Speaker 4: were ready to go and put our stuff up, set up,
Speaker 4: we had to be all moved so that when he
Speaker 4: came off stage.
Speaker 3: He doesn't like people looking at him.
Speaker 1: Apparently when he was coming it was like the Hollywood
Speaker 1: treatment then, right, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: It was definitely, and he had his own mixing desk.
Speaker 4: I just felt, you know, we just turned up with
Speaker 4: our sort of half working gear, you know, and it
Speaker 4: was like, there's insane thousands of pounds worth of gear
Speaker 4: that he had.
Speaker 1: What's your policy generally on going and getting selfies with
Speaker 1: people that you admire or that you just want to get,
Speaker 1: like a photo with.
Speaker 3: Always wish I had, you know, I never do.
Speaker 1: I bottled it in the last minute.
Speaker 3: Always I always bottle it.
Speaker 4: And then the problem was my sister was there lesson
Speaker 4: and her friend came back in the dressing room, was
Speaker 4: so smug and to check it out, and she had
Speaker 4: a proper selfie with Keeper Sublan.
Speaker 3: I was like no.
Speaker 4: And also Lissie was playing before Keeper Sutherland. She got
Speaker 4: a great SELFI and.
Speaker 3: I was like, why do I do it? And I
Speaker 3: just can't bring myself to do it in any way.
Speaker 4: It's just and also I'm just generally, I think, quite awkward,
Speaker 4: so it would just be I'd be awkward and sarcastic
Speaker 4: and confusing for them.
Speaker 1: I think, did you stick around at Glastonbury? Did you
Speaker 1: go and see some of the stuff? Did you make
Speaker 1: a weekend of it? What did you do?
Speaker 3: Wish?
Speaker 4: I mean, I had these gigs in Italy the same
Speaker 4: week as Gastonbury, so I went to Rome and COONa
Speaker 4: and ConA, and I only flew back in the day
Speaker 4: before Mastonbury, So I just drove up on the Sunday
Speaker 4: and then it's so boring, No, what's to know these things?
Speaker 4: But because I'm managing myself and everything, I'm probably more
Speaker 4: involved in things. But if I stayed then I'd have
Speaker 4: to keep the van and then I'd have to pay
Speaker 4: an extra one hundred and fifty quid on keeping the
Speaker 4: van the next day.
Speaker 3: So just sort of just headed straight back.
Speaker 1: What was it like when you manage yourself like because
Speaker 1: you do then have to be involved in the day
Speaker 1: to day the spreadsheets, the balance in the books, the
Speaker 1: booking of things, being conscious of things that a lot
Speaker 1: of other people, a lot of other artists in a
Speaker 1: similar position, would effectively have done for them because they'd
Speaker 1: be employing a manager. Do you find it a liberate
Speaker 1: experience to be in charge of all that stuff or
Speaker 1: do you find it adds another layer of complexity?
Speaker 4: I really like it personally. I think sometimes it would
Speaker 4: be difficult. When you look at sometimes when other people
Speaker 4: are organizing things or sometimes sorting things out, I always go,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't have done it like that, you know, I
Speaker 4: wish we hadn't organize it like that. But then it's
Speaker 4: hard because you have to employ people and just let
Speaker 4: them do what they do and then have their best
Speaker 4: judgment of what those decisions are. But for me it
Speaker 4: was really good because I think I do like things
Speaker 4: a certain way, and I don't know. Often sometimes it
Speaker 4: just feels like it's an extra messenger. I think some
Speaker 4: people find it hard that I'm managing myself. I don't
Speaker 4: think it's normal for some parts of the team to
Speaker 4: talk directly to an artist about finances and things like that,
Speaker 4: and some people find it a bit awkward. But at
Speaker 4: the same time, it is the artist's money at the
Speaker 4: end of the day, and it kind of frustrates me.
Speaker 4: It's like, oh, you should really be thinking about this,
Speaker 4: and it's like, but it's coming straight out my bank account,
Speaker 4: So why should I not be thinking about this or
Speaker 4: worrying about this. This is, you know, my money at the.
Speaker 2: End of the day.
Speaker 1: So with something like Glastonbury, presuming he didn't get a
Speaker 1: chance to stick out and see so if you're there
Speaker 1: on a Sunday Ed Shearing.
Speaker 3: Headlining, unfortunately not, I would have really loved to.
Speaker 1: Okay, cool, because didn't you play like a gig with
Speaker 1: Ed in the early days or.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Edie like Eddie. I didn't just call him Eddie.
Speaker 4: Ed He used to play like open mics, is it?
Speaker 4: But it sounds like Eddie, But it's not Eddie. It's
Speaker 4: not some weird nickname I've given him Ed. He used
Speaker 4: to play open Mics at the same time as me
Speaker 4: and just knew it from there.
Speaker 3: And I think, for what, you know, for.
Speaker 4: Artists like me, he's a huge inspiration for someone that
Speaker 4: I spent you know, years on the same open Mics
Speaker 4: circuits him doing the same things, and watching him with
Speaker 4: those songs more and more people get into it, and
Speaker 4: watching his projection into being one of the biggest superstars
Speaker 4: in the world now headlining Glastonbury.
Speaker 3: It's quite astonishing.
Speaker 1: This week is a big week for you because you're
Speaker 1: releasing your new album. Something's changing on Friday. So in
Speaker 1: a week like this, how are you because presumably it's
Speaker 1: a lot of kind of interviews, press engagements, radio sessions, filming,
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. Is it exciting being involved in
Speaker 1: the week up before and I'm released or is it
Speaker 1: hectic stressful? How do you find the process the sort
Speaker 1: of moments just before it's kind of everybody gets to
Speaker 1: experience it.
Speaker 4: I think it's big ups and downs for me. And
Speaker 4: I think because you have all these exciting things where
Speaker 4: you're live on radio and you're thinking, I can't believe I'm.
Speaker 3: Here and everything, and then probably.
Speaker 4: Tonight when I'm going to sleep, I'll be thinking, no
Speaker 4: one wants my record and it's coming out, and what
Speaker 4: happens if no one likes it? And I think that
Speaker 4: voice that's in everyone's head sometimes can get a bit
Speaker 4: annoying in this week, but I think I'm learning, especially
Speaker 4: this time, being my third record that's come out, to
Speaker 4: ignore it and really concentrate on the fact that, yeah,
Speaker 4: things are busy, but how amazing is that I could
Speaker 4: be putting a record out and no one wanting to
Speaker 4: be talking to me about it, or no one asking
Speaker 4: me on their shows. Now, that would be really scary.
Speaker 4: So really, I just mind over matter. When it's busy,
Speaker 4: it's just think good about it. Think it's positive.
Speaker 1: One of the interesting things that you're doing this time
Speaker 1: as well is that, along with the recent release of
Speaker 1: the album, you've made a documentary. Because last year in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, you traveled to South America in a very
Speaker 1: kind of unique tour set of shows where you appealed
Speaker 1: to your fans and said I want you to book
Speaker 1: my shows and I want to come and stay with you.
Speaker 1: And you set off there and you did that for
Speaker 1: two months and travel all around South America and you
Speaker 1: made a documentary about it as well. Tell us a
Speaker 1: bit about the countries that you visited during that period.
Speaker 4: Well, we flew into Quito, Ecuador, never been there before,
Speaker 4: like most of these places. And then when to prove
Speaker 4: a fan, took me to match you Pichu as well.
Speaker 1: Which did you use a trek to.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, we did sunggate the trek in
Speaker 4: the morning, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean we got the
Speaker 4: bus up to the gates.
Speaker 1: And then takes a couple of days otherwise.
Speaker 4: Right, Well then, yeah, it took two and a half
Speaker 4: hours from once you're in the gates of Matchi Picchi
Speaker 4: to get right to the top of Sungate. So we
Speaker 4: did that around five thirty or something and got there
Speaker 4: just before sunrise. And oh it was extraordinary, It was
Speaker 4: so amazing. I'll ever find the words to describe how
Speaker 4: great that was. And the trips I went through Peru
Speaker 4: and Chili. I need to make sure I get this
Speaker 4: all right, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Brazil and then up to Mexico.
Speaker 4: So yeah, the fact that the documentary's coming out tomorrow,
Speaker 4: I think, not that they're more excited than the record,
Speaker 4: but it's different.
Speaker 3: It's totally different than the record. Musically.
Speaker 4: I know that the record some people love it, some
Speaker 4: people might not like it, but I think with the
Speaker 4: documentary it feels in many ways broader that hopefully I
Speaker 4: can't you know, I'd hope that someone could watch it,
Speaker 4: even if they don't like my music or anything, and
Speaker 4: still take something, get something out of that, because I
Speaker 4: think it's such an amazingly important story.
Speaker 3: And thing that I learned.
Speaker 4: And the fact that I think that we've put it
Speaker 4: into this short film, which shows how amazing people are,
Speaker 4: really restore your faith in humanity, in the goodness and
Speaker 4: kindness of people, and also in music.
Speaker 3: I think if you.
Speaker 4: If you're not even just you write music or you perform,
Speaker 4: or you work in the industry in any way, but
Speaker 4: if you love music and you feel like your passion,
Speaker 4: I think it's important because it shows why music is important,
Speaker 4: really important, and sometimes I think that can get forgotten.
Speaker 4: An artist can think I certainly did. Oh, I don't
Speaker 4: know if there's any point anymore, if anyone even cares.
Speaker 4: And there's this amazing thing of social media, but it
Speaker 4: also can be a barrier sometimes of actually not getting
Speaker 4: to know anybody ever. Spending three days with you know,
Speaker 4: forty different people and really getting to know them, their stories,
Speaker 4: why they like music was so amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated by the practical details of what you did,
Speaker 1: particularly in the first few days. So how did you
Speaker 1: feel the night before you jumped on that plane to
Speaker 1: go to ecardor knowing that you were embarking on this
Speaker 1: big unknown Ultimately? Were you confident in what you were
Speaker 1: about to do or were you were you?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, I think so I was. I was with
Speaker 4: my husband, so I think that was a big sort
Speaker 4: of security barrier. I wasn't getting on the plane on
Speaker 4: my own. I think that would be quite different if
Speaker 4: I was, but he was. Then I kept thinking, Oh,
Speaker 4: worse comes to worst, I'll just check myself into a hotel.
Speaker 4: I've always wanted to go to these places, I've always
Speaker 4: wanted to visit them, so you know, I'm still going
Speaker 4: to go and have an incredible experience. Whatever happens. I
Speaker 4: think Will found it with my other half. He found
Speaker 4: it tricky because he's my tor manager, so normally he's
Speaker 4: always organizing everything.
Speaker 3: And we were on the planes, like, so, who are
Speaker 3: who are Who's picking us up from the airport? And
Speaker 3: we were on the plane.
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, Sarah was picking us up and
Speaker 4: he's like, who Who's Sarah? And I don't know anything
Speaker 4: about her. It's like where does she live? I don't
Speaker 4: know who does.
Speaker 3: She live with? I have no idea. It was oh
Speaker 3: my god. So I think he was more stressed, but
Speaker 3: I liked it. I think some horrible part of it
Speaker 3: actually enjoyed that thrill.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the thrill of it all, and especially if he
Speaker 4: was stressed, I was like, this is hilarious.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And so you got to Ecuador there was the kind
Speaker 1: of first stop on this this this journey across South America.
Speaker 1: But the when you're staying with fans, like they were
Speaker 1: inviting you into their homes, very personal experience to do that.
Speaker 1: So you're there in like, who's the first fan that
Speaker 1: you met? For example, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Sarah was the first one that picked us up, and yeah,
Speaker 4: they invited us into their homes. The thing I didn't
Speaker 4: realize at the time is how nervous they were about
Speaker 4: me coming to in their houses and how much they're
Speaker 4: worried that their home wouldn't be enough and I wouldn't
Speaker 4: like it, you know, coming from the UK and then
Speaker 4: traveling to countries which are still you know, developing countries,
Speaker 4: Third world countries, they were very nervous, some of them
Speaker 4: that I wouldn't like their house and their home. That
Speaker 4: makes me so sad even saying that now. But they
Speaker 4: were more basic than you know, anywhere else I've ever stayed.
Speaker 4: But it was such an amazing experience because you really
Speaker 4: understand somewhere better when you're living with someone locally. Yeah,
Speaker 4: completely different cultural experience you experience. You know, we stayed
Speaker 4: with someone who had two kids, two young kids, so
Speaker 4: we're staying within a family of four, and for breakfast
Speaker 4: with them and right took them to school in the morning,
Speaker 4: like pushing the pram in Lima to school with someone
Speaker 4: I met the day before. Like this is madness, and
Speaker 4: really get getting thrown into different people's lives. And I
Speaker 4: think as a songwriter that's important because it's important to
Speaker 4: have a grasp on reality and sometimes you don't if
Speaker 4: you're just touring and writing songs and playing shows, I
Speaker 4: think you can sometimes lose perspective on reality, on normal
Speaker 4: people's lives. And you know, I think one of the
Speaker 4: most inspiring things ever is I once bumped into Laura Marling.
Speaker 3: I hope she doesn't mind if I say this before.
Speaker 4: She quite great, and it was we were doing it
Speaker 4: a give for Africa Express and we all had like
Speaker 4: meal vouchers in this restaurant right by the venue where
Speaker 4: we were playing Granary Square, and I saw her on
Speaker 4: the other side of the room and she waved, oh,
Speaker 4: go say I like it, Laura is there, and I
Speaker 4: went over and I was like, are you playing as
Speaker 4: well at Africa Express. She's like, now, I work here,
Speaker 4: And what do you mean you work here? Jack, I
Speaker 4: cook the lamp on the lamb chef. I'm there serious
Speaker 4: And I was like, no, you can't be serious.
Speaker 3: She was like, I'm in.
Speaker 4: Between album campaign, so I've got a job, you know,
Speaker 4: And it's just like and then the hostess walked past.
Speaker 4: It was like, Laura, you need to get back to work.
Speaker 4: And I was like, do you even know who you're
Speaker 4: talking to to?
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 4: This is what I was thinking in my head the
Speaker 4: hostess who told her off. And then a couple of
Speaker 4: days later I saw Charlie Fink and he was just like,
Speaker 4: no way, it's all working as a lamb grilling lamb.
Speaker 3: And I was like, I'm telling you, I saw her there.
Speaker 4: And then he texted me saying, I just text Laura,
Speaker 4: and you're right, she's got a job working as a
Speaker 4: lamb chef. There's something that's just about just going and
Speaker 4: cooking lamb, you know what I mean. There's little normality
Speaker 4: of it, Like most people can never dream of having
Speaker 4: a radio show or you know, learning about digital music
Speaker 4: industry and things like that.
Speaker 3: It's still quite far fetched.
Speaker 4: The thing was like, actually, I'm going to go and
Speaker 4: cook lamb, or I'm going to go pull pints and
Speaker 4: actually chat to people. I always think if I have time off,
Speaker 4: I'm just going to pour pints, because how much you
Speaker 4: would you learn about people's lives over just the bar.
Speaker 4: People just open up, don't they about It's like being
Speaker 4: a taxi driver, learning that thing that's slightly deeper than.
Speaker 3: You would have a normal world.
Speaker 4: And I think that was about the trip, which was
Speaker 4: amazing is I went deep, quite deeply into people's lives
Speaker 4: and how they felt. And I felt a bit, maybe
Speaker 4: I felt a bit like I was interviewing them all
Speaker 4: the time because I was just all they felt like.
Speaker 4: I was just so interested in their lives and the
Speaker 4: political systems there, what it was like to be a
Speaker 4: woman in these countries, you know, having kids, opportunities, the
Speaker 4: class system, you know what I mean. There's so many
Speaker 4: things in every country which is different, and if you
Speaker 4: go and throw yourself into those situations, you learn not
Speaker 4: just a lot about them, but yourself as well.
Speaker 1: When you're making when you're doing this trip and you're
Speaker 1: making a documentary, did you do anything else? Did you like,
Speaker 1: keep like a diary or a notepad, like, because presumably
Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff that couldn't even some of
Speaker 1: the things you just explained you probably could only really
Speaker 1: touch on in the documentary, but never touched on it.
Speaker 3: Honestly, so much stuff that's never even been meant. This
Speaker 3: is not enough time.
Speaker 1: So yeah, did you, like, do you take lots of photos?
Speaker 1: Did you kind of like, have you got like a
Speaker 1: scrapbook of you in here?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 4: I did a blog actually for Line of best Fit. Paul,
Speaker 4: the editor was amazing. Before we went on the trip,
Speaker 4: he saw my posts and said, I've seen that you're
Speaker 4: doing this. Do you want to meet up? Because I
Speaker 4: lived there for six months in South America, So I
Speaker 4: was like, yes, please.
Speaker 3: Any help, any advice would be good.
Speaker 4: And when we first went, I decided to do firstly
Speaker 4: a post about why I was doing it, and that's
Speaker 4: what started, which is just to set up this is
Speaker 4: what I'm doing. I'm going to go live with my
Speaker 4: fans and explain that I felt a little disillusion from
Speaker 4: the industry and music and I lost touch really and
Speaker 4: why I was making music and wasn't happy.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, That's what it came
Speaker 4: down to is I didn't feel happy in music anymore.
Speaker 4: And that was probably the main reason why I was
Speaker 4: thinking about stopping. It's if I'm not happy doing this,
Speaker 4: then why am I doing it? I should go and
Speaker 4: do Life's too short to do anything that makes me unhappy,
Speaker 4: especially if I'm privileged. You'll have to be doing this
Speaker 4: music or I need to find a route to do
Speaker 4: music and be happy. So kind of wrote this piece.
Speaker 4: And after I wrote that piece and he published it
Speaker 4: in Ane of best Fit, then once we started the trip,
Speaker 4: I just felt like I had a million stories I
Speaker 4: wanted to tell and message him. He said, yeah, just
Speaker 4: send me, send me it. So I sort of did
Speaker 4: a diary online that everyone could read during the experience.
Speaker 1: Did you find that you surrendered yourself to the experience
Speaker 1: straight away once you got there, or did it take
Speaker 1: some getting used to this new way of living that
Speaker 1: you'd kind of decided you were going to do for
Speaker 1: two months?
Speaker 4: It was really different in every single place. The hardest thing,
Speaker 4: which then I got used to, I suppose, was meeting
Speaker 4: a stranger, having that sort of initial we don't know
Speaker 4: each other awkwardness thing where it's nice but you don't
Speaker 4: know each other. Then spending twenty four hours a day
Speaker 4: together for three or four days, knowing everything about them,
Speaker 4: feeling like you truly knew them really really well and
Speaker 4: you actually really cared about them. At the end of
Speaker 4: it felt like I had a friendship. And then saying
Speaker 4: goodbye and then going and doing it all over again
Speaker 4: quite intense, really hard.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: That was the hardest thing in many ways, But I
Speaker 4: think once I got used to it, which was I
Speaker 4: prepare yourself because you're going to be attached to this
Speaker 4: person and then meet someone you have no attachment to
Speaker 4: and you're living with straight away. And there was really
Speaker 4: two very extreme things from those first, you know, that
Speaker 4: position of going from one place to the next and
Speaker 4: just starting again and getting to know the next person
Speaker 4: and understanding them as a human and understanding their lives
Speaker 4: and starting from scratch.
Speaker 3: It was intense, But.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I found that everyone had those common those common
Speaker 4: things which were music and the type of music I
Speaker 4: guess that I make made them all quite similar in
Speaker 4: a world, because I think it's a certain type of
Speaker 4: music mine which is attracts or it seemed to attract
Speaker 4: the people that maybe had gone through things, maybe have
Speaker 4: felt things then weren't scared of putting on music which
Speaker 4: made them feel something. A lot of them had said
Speaker 4: at times they would put on these the sort of music,
Speaker 4: and their friends like, why are you listening to this
Speaker 4: depressing music? I don't why you just put something fun on?
Speaker 4: And they're like, do you not get it? And one
Speaker 4: of them said to me, I honestly think some of
Speaker 4: my friends just don't want to feel it. Whatever songs
Speaker 4: make you feel, they're scared of it and they don't
Speaker 4: want to feel it. They'd rather put something on which
Speaker 4: didn't make them feel those feelings. And that was I'd
Speaker 4: never thought about that ever before, and that's totally fine.
Speaker 4: But it's not that, you know, it's their depressing songs
Speaker 4: or things. It just conjures up different sort of emotions.
Speaker 4: And then I realized that I was just like them,
Speaker 4: because all the music I listen to makes me feel
Speaker 4: that way, and all music I love, going like Joni Mitchell,
Speaker 4: Bluebing or my favorite records, but it makes me feel
Speaker 4: something and it doesn't make me feel like happy. I'm
Speaker 4: the happiest person in the world when I'm.
Speaker 3: Listening to it.
Speaker 4: But it makes me understand myself somehow. It makes me
Speaker 4: think about things I wouldn't have thought about, delve a
Speaker 4: little bit deeper into who I am, and understand that,
Speaker 4: and that I think has helped me on my journey
Speaker 4: in life.
Speaker 3: Is that sort of.
Speaker 1: Music that's interesting that you can sort of correlate that
Speaker 1: between all these different people in all in probably vastly
Speaker 1: different situations across an entire continent, and yet you can
Speaker 1: sort of join the dots in some way quite fascinating.
Speaker 4: It makes you a very similar sort of person. Actually,
Speaker 4: weirdly out of all the things that you can have
Speaker 4: in common, I think sometimes music tastes can make you
Speaker 4: more similar than you can realize if it was going
Speaker 4: to be maybe I should start some sort of like
Speaker 4: friendship or dating app where it's always on music, because
Speaker 4: I think that's really important, because I think if you
Speaker 4: sometimes if you don't have that connection, it's difficult. I'd
Speaker 4: find it hard music. And I'm a huge hippie, you
Speaker 4: call me that, like, but I think music can heal
Speaker 4: in a way, in a way that other things can't.
Speaker 4: You know, when I'm feeling really lost in life and
Speaker 4: I don't understand things, and I can't make sense of
Speaker 4: something that's happened, somehow music can make sense. It can
Speaker 4: make something that makes sense that didn't beforehand, and I don't.
Speaker 3: Know how that happens. And there's a real mystery to
Speaker 3: music and why it does. That.
Speaker 1: Tell me about some of the standout moments from you,
Speaker 1: the memories of playing some of the shows, because from
Speaker 1: some of the footage I've seen, there were moments where
Speaker 1: you kind of had to be Okay, let's just sort
Speaker 1: of go with the flow of this, like and this
Speaker 1: isn't this isn't your standard bar fly set up. This
Speaker 1: is something completely different. So that's about some of the highlights.
Speaker 4: Some of the first gigs we did because I wanted
Speaker 4: them to be free entry. That made things really tricky
Speaker 4: for venues to want to have me play because they
Speaker 4: can charge for tickets. But I found like, I've paid
Speaker 4: my flights to be here, my fan is sorting out
Speaker 4: my accommodation. You just you know, you can take all
Speaker 4: the money from the bar or anything. You just need
Speaker 4: to give me a space of some sort. So lots
Speaker 4: of people were amazing, but they would just higher in
Speaker 4: a po which was just on the floor. So I'd
Speaker 4: walk in, it'd just be all in bits, not put
Speaker 4: together on the floor.
Speaker 3: We're like, is that all right?
Speaker 4: And you don't want to kick off and be like, no,
Speaker 4: it's not all right because and maybe I would have
Speaker 4: done that as well. I think these are the things
Speaker 4: I was learning that potentially I would have said this is.
Speaker 4: I can't work like this, this is And it brought
Speaker 4: out a different side of me, which was way more
Speaker 4: easy going, I think, which is like absolutely great. Let
Speaker 4: me just spend half an hour trying to work out
Speaker 4: how did you put this pa together?
Speaker 1: Instructures in Spanish looking at.
Speaker 4: A manual I'm going to do this, and then ended
Speaker 4: up mixing the support acts like gig could just be like,
Speaker 4: don't worry, guys, I got this. Never done this before
Speaker 4: in my life. So yeah, it pushed me into finding
Speaker 4: out a lot more about myself, yeah, and being more relaxed.
Speaker 4: Some of the standout moments, I think it was just
Speaker 4: some of the places were just so unusual. People had
Speaker 4: done so much as well. Cafes in the Serena in Chile,
Speaker 4: it takes you can't fly in there. It was a
Speaker 4: sixteen hour bus to get their tiny town in Chile.
Speaker 4: Got off this sixteen hour bus, not just the fan
Speaker 4: that had asked me to come there, her friend who
Speaker 4: we were living with her because she didn't have enough
Speaker 4: space in her house. I was staying with her friend's family,
Speaker 4: which who would lovely. But then the whole cafe, the
Speaker 4: people who owned the cafe, well, the people work for
Speaker 4: the cafe, all there with banners at six in the morning,
Speaker 4: and they've gone to such a huge extent of preparation
Speaker 4: of putting posters up and printing off little free tickets
Speaker 4: which people could collect from the cafe, and all these
Speaker 4: and people who never put a gig on ever, had
Speaker 4: thrown themselves into it. Played the Launderette, which you may
Speaker 4: have heard of before, which is that story, which was
Speaker 4: just an iconic moment in the trip because it just
Speaker 4: standing on the first floor above a long direct just
Speaker 4: playing to people on the street and the street closing down.
Speaker 4: Playing a winery. One of the fans owned a winery
Speaker 4: and said, please, can you come play my winery? I'll
Speaker 4: organize it, and he made like haystacks in a field.
Speaker 4: He brought a pa in, made it into this, put
Speaker 4: little lights up and made venues out of nothing, out
Speaker 4: of just empty fields.
Speaker 1: How moved were you by that proactivity and that positivity,
Speaker 1: because we see in the documentary that it was an
Speaker 1: emotional experience for you kind of twenty sixteen wasn't the
Speaker 1: greatest year for many reasons, like you know, politically, socially, etc.
Speaker 1: And so it actually sounds like in the middle of
Speaker 1: it all, you had an experience that you created that
Speaker 1: really did bring out the best in a lot of
Speaker 1: people that were around you. What kind of emotional affected
Speaker 1: the whole.
Speaker 3: Thing have on you a lot?
Speaker 4: I think I couldn't really believe how much people strangers
Speaker 4: would do for me in exchange of just a few
Speaker 4: songs or just so that we had a good time
Speaker 4: when we were staying with them.
Speaker 3: How hard they all were, how much they did.
Speaker 4: They drove like five hours to take us to a
Speaker 4: classy falls and then drove five hours back.
Speaker 3: Did these just so.
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe the kindness total strangers. And I think
Speaker 4: there's so many moments which aren't in the documentary because
Speaker 4: there were just too many where I would just have
Speaker 4: another amazing experience, and two days later to have another
Speaker 4: amazing experience, and then a daylight to have another amazing
Speaker 4: experience with all different people, And it just got to
Speaker 4: a point it's like I can't believe this is happening.
Speaker 4: I can't believe that I'm being shown all this love
Speaker 4: and kindness from people I've never met before. And also
Speaker 4: I just realized how lucky I was, you know. It
Speaker 4: was just like the most surreal thing because the people
Speaker 4: I spent the time with. There's a few real standout
Speaker 4: moments where when I was leaving the person I was
Speaker 4: staying with, it would say, these have been the best
Speaker 4: days of my life, Like, how am I meant to
Speaker 4: go back to work tomorrow.
Speaker 3: Now, How am I?
Speaker 4: This has been the surrealest and most crazy moment And
Speaker 4: I just got to go and sit in my office
Speaker 4: and go back to normal, back to my life which
Speaker 4: I don't even really like, and or say, I promise you,
Speaker 4: I'm going to take these these are the best days
Speaker 4: of my life. I'm going to take them to my
Speaker 4: grave with me as the best days of my life.
Speaker 4: I know I'll never have an experience like this ever again.
Speaker 4: And people who've never been on a plane before, never
Speaker 4: left the town, never even seen a live gig before.
Speaker 4: And I felt bad in a way because I thought,
Speaker 4: We've had this incredible moment and then I'm leaving and
Speaker 4: it's like we've all been there before and we've had
Speaker 4: a great experience even and you feel how do you
Speaker 4: move on from this? And how do you get back
Speaker 4: to reality? Feels even harsher sometimes than doesn't it afterwards,
Speaker 4: So saying goodbye to people's seeing their sadness that the
Speaker 4: experience was over, and then on the other side, I
Speaker 4: was on to the next best e see you know
Speaker 4: what I mean, another incredible experience the next day with
Speaker 4: someone new, and I just there was part of me
Speaker 4: that felt guilty in a way. It's like this is
Speaker 4: never rendingly amazing for me for eight weeks and I
Speaker 4: could probably continue doing it for so long. And like
Speaker 4: I said, I want to say it again, I'm not
Speaker 4: well known. You know what I mean. I'm not a
Speaker 4: well known musician. I'm not saying this isn't I've got
Speaker 4: this huge ego where it's like all these people will
Speaker 4: do this for me. That's what's extraordinary about it is
Speaker 4: I'm not well known. My music doesn't get played on radio.
Speaker 4: No one knows my name. And the fact that even
Speaker 4: one person in all these places does and the extent
Speaker 4: that they will show me kindness for someone when I
Speaker 4: was really doubting whether even anyone cared about me and
Speaker 4: my music.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was extremely emotion.
Speaker 1: Not just the experience that would go and to inform
Speaker 1: like writing a new record then, but ultimately something that
Speaker 1: you are always going to remember like forever as a
Speaker 1: sort of probably defining moment in your life. Without putting
Speaker 1: it into two big a kind of context. Happens next
Speaker 1: is that you've made this new album and you've made
Speaker 1: the documentary and you're going to take it out and
Speaker 1: you're going to show it before you perform live and
Speaker 1: people are going to get to see it, and it
Speaker 1: will hopefully put those songs that you've written out into
Speaker 1: into a context. Do you think like that, what's what's
Speaker 1: the thinking behind showing what happened and then performing those songs,
Speaker 1: because presumably that could not have filtered into your thought
Speaker 1: process when you when you sat down to write new music.
Speaker 3: I think it's really important.
Speaker 4: I've even seen the odd thing piece of pr which
Speaker 4: is said, oh, Lucy Rose grabs a backpack and does
Speaker 4: a trip around South America and writes an album about it,
Speaker 4: and it just even that's like, no, that's not that
Speaker 4: frustrates me because I know that's true and I know
Speaker 4: that's what it is, but it really it isn't about that.
Speaker 4: It's not about me just like grabbing a backpack and
Speaker 4: doing a traveling experience and then we'll have the best
Speaker 4: experience of my life.
Speaker 3: It isn't.
Speaker 4: And I think the documentary is really important to put
Speaker 4: the album into perspective as well, and what I wanted
Speaker 4: to do with the record, and also the fact that
Speaker 4: I had the confidence to make this sort of record
Speaker 4: because I know that I'd never have made this record
Speaker 4: without those people that I met and without talking to
Speaker 4: them about the songs that mattered to them, and we're
Speaker 4: going talking about the same thing about how music makes
Speaker 4: you feel and things.
Speaker 3: But we're all.
Speaker 4: Looking for some sort of purpose in life and to
Speaker 4: do something. And it felt like the biggest thing I've
Speaker 4: ever done was writing those songs that helped people and
Speaker 4: made those feel made them feel the things that we
Speaker 4: were discussing earlier, and they're the songs that I love.
Speaker 4: That's exactly the sort of music that I was writing,
Speaker 4: but I just didn't think anyone wanted it. And the
Speaker 4: fact that I could go and meet people and they
Speaker 4: would say, please play Shiver, play night Bus, play Gamble,
Speaker 4: which is like a bonus track for my first record,
Speaker 4: which was so depressing. Everyone was like, you can't put
Speaker 4: that on the record. That's way too sad, And that's
Speaker 4: the second most popular song I have and it's not
Speaker 4: even on my record. Understanding that that's why people wanted that,
Speaker 4: and understanding that's exactly what I want to do as
Speaker 4: an artist, because there's my heroes have made records like
Speaker 4: that that matters to me, and having the confidence to
Speaker 4: believe in that, believe that I could make a record
Speaker 4: like that meant that I could come home and really
Speaker 4: commit to that and commit to who I am. It's
Speaker 4: difficult to know yourself, know who you are as an
Speaker 4: artist and not just accept it but embrace it. And
Speaker 4: I think a lo often I would think, oh, maybe
Speaker 4: folk music or country music's not very cool and it's
Speaker 4: not you know, radio one might hate it and all
Speaker 4: you know, young kid and all my fans, and I
Speaker 4: was always drawn to being and maybe it's from just
Speaker 4: singing with Bombay Bicycle Club and being in the indie world,
Speaker 4: which was you'd think is cooler, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: And I know it sounds so stupid, but that's when
Speaker 4: I was younger. That's what I felt like. I felt
Speaker 4: like playing country music wasn't particularly cool, and then actually
Speaker 4: finding out that's who I am, that's what I want
Speaker 4: to make a record, And yeah, I guess not just
Speaker 4: yet accepting it, but embracing that's who I am and
Speaker 4: feeling proud but that's who I am as an artist
Speaker 4: only came from the confidence that those fans gave so
Speaker 4: screening it. I think it is really important and.
Speaker 1: I have a huge amount of jealousy when I look
Speaker 1: down at the places that you're going to do this,
Speaker 1: screen the film and perform at in the coming months
Speaker 1: for the rest of the year. In fact, it's taking
Speaker 1: you to Newcastle. I'm a newcaster supporter, so that's all good.
Speaker 1: But in all seriousness, it's taking you to Asia. You're
Speaker 1: going to You're going to go to the Philippines playing Manila.
Speaker 1: You're going to go back to India, which I think
Speaker 1: you've been to before. Yeah, and you're going to get
Speaker 1: Deli and Bangalore and these wonderful places to play shows
Speaker 1: in cinemas. So is there something special about playing a
Speaker 1: show in a cinema you kind of like? Is that
Speaker 1: something that's still an interesting experience to do for you?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Well, I think mainly the UK of proper, proper cinemas,
Speaker 4: they can't show films.
Speaker 3: We're going in Vibe.
Speaker 4: Not everywhere has even got cinemas that I wanted to play,
Speaker 4: so a lot of them just needed a screening away
Speaker 4: to screen it. So it's called the world Wide Cinematore.
Speaker 4: But there's going to be the odd venue which isn't
Speaker 4: a cinema. They say it could be, but it's again
Speaker 4: from my experience of touring further Afield, you never know
Speaker 4: quite what to expect when you walk into a venue,
Speaker 4: But yeah, I think it's just exciting to be in
Speaker 4: new places. And being in India was really exciting because
Speaker 4: again in these countries, and especially in smaller towns and
Speaker 4: smaller places even more off the grid when you're talking
Speaker 4: not even just Delhi and Mumbaiba, going down to Bangalore
Speaker 4: as well, people don't feel like they're important enough for
Speaker 4: musicians to go and play for them, and the UK
Speaker 4: and Europe and the US and then maybe Australia and
Speaker 4: maybe Japan gets you know, all artists will try and
Speaker 4: tour those places. And there's huge proportions of the world
Speaker 4: which are ignored when it comes to live music. And
Speaker 4: for me, it was important to start the campaign back
Speaker 4: in Latin America and go to India and tell people
Speaker 4: they are important. My fans are important no matter where
Speaker 4: you're from.
Speaker 1: Have you had peers people around you that make music
Speaker 1: say to you you go into these places that are
Speaker 1: dangerous or off the grid or a bit unusual. Do
Speaker 1: they say things like to you, like they say like
Speaker 1: kind of like, oh god, I don't think I could
Speaker 1: ever do that, or they ask do they ask like
Speaker 1: proactive questions saying like, wow, you're playing a show in Chile,
Speaker 1: or you're playing a show in you mentioned Hanway like
Speaker 1: places that aren't on the traditional touring map. What are
Speaker 1: the types of conversations you have about that sort of thing?
Speaker 4: More often than not, if I'm talking to another article,
Speaker 4: you have to go to India just when it's it's oh, well,
Speaker 4: what about getting deli belly, I'll be sick or you
Speaker 4: know it's every place has its myth. You know, I've
Speaker 4: been twice now, never got ill either time. We're there
Speaker 4: for two weeks. Each time didn't get ill. Lots of
Speaker 4: bb talked to. There's lots of myths. It's same as
Speaker 4: I think when I was doing BBC six round Table,
Speaker 4: when the other guests were saying, well, what you do
Speaker 4: next week? I said, actually, I'm flying gigging Buenos Airera's oh,
Speaker 4: I'll be careful. My friend got a phone nick there.
Speaker 4: It's really dangerous. She gotta be careful. I thought, it's not.
Speaker 4: I was expecting because I've been there and I love
Speaker 4: it to be. Wow, that's amazing Buenos Areas, that's incredible.
Speaker 4: And people's immediate thing is fear.
Speaker 3: It's so fear based.
Speaker 4: When it comes to going and traveling in places which
Speaker 4: are you know, less musicians go to. I guess well
Speaker 4: less people go to. And I was like thinking, my
Speaker 4: sister just got mugged in London last week, she got
Speaker 4: a phone nicked in London. But we don't think of
Speaker 4: our home that way, never think our London's dangerous and
Speaker 4: people shouldn't come and visit London because of lots of
Speaker 4: different things that are going on. But I think there
Speaker 4: is a miss conception you've gotta be careful everywhere you go.
Speaker 4: But all I consider is my experience. Eight weeks I
Speaker 4: lived with total strangers. I trusted them, and I didn't
Speaker 4: have not even one moment I was worried, even just
Speaker 4: a little bit. I wasn't at all.
Speaker 1: Do you collect anything on your travels? Do you bring
Speaker 1: anything back fridge magnets? No, okay, I'm really Do you
Speaker 1: ever send post guards or anything like that?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 4: I've got issues with with with anything any I can't
Speaker 4: describe it material, not even materials, anything that's made of
Speaker 4: a material.
Speaker 3: Okay, things I don't want them.
Speaker 1: So you're not a fan of like a sort of
Speaker 1: tourist shop that's full of quite clearly a load of
Speaker 1: old too.
Speaker 3: As my dad would say, too, that's great.
Speaker 1: You know, like you're kind.
Speaker 4: Of I had a backpack on and it was already
Speaker 4: hand luggage, and I was being so because I didn't
Speaker 4: want to bear back at the end of the day.
Speaker 4: I was being so strict with what I was taken.
Speaker 4: I didn't even take a hair brush where I was at.
Speaker 4: And then it's only when I was in the second place,
Speaker 4: when my fringe was just out of control, like completely wire.
Speaker 3: Going a hairbrush.
Speaker 4: This is too much. So they bought a hair brush.
Speaker 4: But I just if I think if I bought something
Speaker 4: in every single place, my bag would get really heavy.
Speaker 3: I know that sounds so stupid.
Speaker 1: You've got to think of the practical.
Speaker 3: I worry about my.
Speaker 4: Back getting broken sometimes, about it not being very strong.
Speaker 4: And also I think I don't really like waste. I've
Speaker 4: got another problem with birthday cards. I just hate the idea.
Speaker 4: I hate waste, even if to give a birthday card,
Speaker 4: it's something that I would rather not get given any
Speaker 4: birthday cards. And the feeling when I collect them all
Speaker 4: off the mantlepiece and just put them in a recycling
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? That feeling for me honestly
Speaker 4: feels like my heart's breaking. This is just waste. This
Speaker 4: is and I know it's really nice, but I think
Speaker 4: I could do just someone saying something, you know, on
Speaker 4: my birth if I meet someone or a message or something.
Speaker 4: Hate throwing things away, hate it, and maybe it's like
Speaker 4: a hoarding thing. So I just don't have anything to
Speaker 4: throw away. I still send them because I know I'm
Speaker 4: a bad person. I feel bad if I don't send them,
Speaker 4: and I should send them. And I think other people
Speaker 4: really find enjoyment from opening birthday cards, and I think
Speaker 4: that's great as well. This is just like a personal
Speaker 4: problem issue with mine.
Speaker 1: Have you seen those e cards that you can get
Speaker 1: that are like terrible sort of they're like singing e
Speaker 1: cards where you send somebody an email and it opens
Speaker 1: up and they'd be like a dance. I haven't seen
Speaker 1: that anger it's like a happy birthday.
Speaker 3: I think i'd like that.
Speaker 1: Okay, well, if you went quite.
Speaker 3: With it due the twenties, you just missed it.
Speaker 1: I just missed it. Okay, make a note for next year,
Speaker 1: we'll send you an E card on your birthday so
Speaker 1: there's no wastage and.
Speaker 3: Get silly and they're silly, they better with me.
Speaker 1: Okay, so fine, fine, it's done on.
Speaker 3: An Ostrich, me on an Ostrich or something.
Speaker 4: Dance.
Speaker 1: We can shot your face onto any animal you want, no,
Speaker 1: properly okay, great love that.
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