WEBVTT - Ep 31: Lucy Rose 0:00:01.280 --> 0:00:24.720 Loud and Quiet Presents Midnight Chats. We never set out 0:00:24.720 --> 0:00:28.040 with a particular mood in mind for how each one 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:31.960 of Midnight Chats turns out. Not all of these episodes 0:00:32.040 --> 0:00:36.199 of our podcast series are feel good conversations, but it 0:00:36.360 --> 0:00:39.120 just so happens the last couple have been. The most 0:00:39.159 --> 0:00:43.160 recent episode with loyal Kana was not just because he 0:00:43.280 --> 0:00:46.159 was a pleasurable guy to spend time with, but he 0:00:46.200 --> 0:00:50.720 also had this sort of restless compulsion to help other people. 0:00:51.240 --> 0:00:53.920 Whether that was as he was explaining in the chat, 0:00:54.200 --> 0:00:57.160 giving his mum a hand with an IKEA shelving unit 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:01.200 or running his annual cooking school for young adults with ADHD. 0:01:02.040 --> 0:01:06.959 He just had this really uplifting, generous, infectious energy, and 0:01:07.000 --> 0:01:10.559 this new episode certainly left me feeling pretty optimistic too. 0:01:10.720 --> 0:01:13.919 In the middle of twenty sixteen, my guest Lucy Rose 0:01:14.040 --> 0:01:17.680 left London on a two month journey, having made two 0:01:17.680 --> 0:01:21.000 albums done the major label thing. She was, in her 0:01:21.000 --> 0:01:25.119 own words, in a moment of doubt and a bit 0:01:25.160 --> 0:01:28.720 disillusioned with the music industry and how things were going, 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:33.479 and she was left questioning whether making music was really 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.480 for her, whether she was doing the right thing at 0:01:35.480 --> 0:01:40.000 that time and given. She toured like most other musicians 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:43.839 and artists in the past, the usual venues, processes, places, 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:47.440 and conventions. What she did next was kind of radical. 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:50.680 She spoke to her fans in South America via social 0:01:50.720 --> 0:01:54.000 media and said, I'm coming to see you, please, can 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.120 you book a space for me to play a free 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:58.600 show and let me stay in your house, in your 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.880 spare room, on your sofa, and off she went. A 0:02:01.880 --> 0:02:04.919 lot of these places were well off the traditional touring 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:09.400 brid the gigs, the people, the experience didn't just have 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:12.840 a profound effect on Lucy but also on those fans 0:02:12.880 --> 0:02:14.920 she went and stayed with. And you can see it 0:02:14.960 --> 0:02:17.959 all in the short film she's made about it, the 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.200 documentaries on YouTube. It's called Something's Changing, which is the 0:02:21.240 --> 0:02:25.360 same name as her new album. And I think in 0:02:25.400 --> 0:02:29.160 the conversation you're about to hear that emotion really comes through. 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.000 You can hear it in Lucy's voice when she talks 0:02:31.000 --> 0:02:34.000 about it all, and it's all just quite uplifting. So 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:38.640 if you're sick of the constant barrage of bad news, 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:42.160 hopefully the next forty minutes will be some kind of 0:02:42.320 --> 0:02:47.160 temporary cure. Just finally, thank you to all of our subscribers, 0:02:47.800 --> 0:02:51.240 everybody who's rated this podcast so far as long as 0:02:51.240 --> 0:02:53.120 we've been doing it, giving us a short review on 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:56.400 iTunes or wherever you're listening, sends a tweet about it, 0:02:56.520 --> 0:03:00.280 or just spreads the word somehow. If you keep enjoying them, 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:04.040 will keep making them. They'll be online at midnight every 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:09.239 other Thursday so on, with Episode thirty one then recorded 0:03:09.320 --> 0:03:12.560 in our offices in East London just last week, Lucy 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:16.600 Rose talking about everything from festival set lengths to why 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:21.760 she hates birthday cards, the joy and difficulty of managing 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:25.919 herself and taking selfies with Keith the Sutherland from twenty 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.079 four and of course the life changing trip that I've 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:29.800 already mentioned. 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:52.560 This is Midnight Chats. How have you been you will? 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:56.920 Yeah? Really good? Nice and busy, which feels good at 0:03:56.920 --> 0:03:57.400 this time. 0:03:57.600 --> 0:03:59.400 Yeah, you've had a busy day. You've already been to 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:01.440 BBC six Music today? 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:04.320 Yeah. Done my laure la Verne session this morning, which 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:06.920 is it's always so good. I feel like that show 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:09.360 is quite iconic, isn't it to play law la Verne? 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.280 So I was really thrilled to do that, and then 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.080 went and did a weird panel for the Brits about 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:20.960 festival set lens, sort of discussion about whether festival sets 0:04:20.960 --> 0:04:24.440 are too short and whether they're cramming in too many artists. 0:04:24.680 --> 0:04:26.320 Right and I'm here, which is very exciting. 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.440 What's your view on that is that? Do you think 0:04:28.480 --> 0:04:29.320 they're too short? 0:04:29.320 --> 0:04:32.440 I've just been talking about it. 0:04:32.440 --> 0:04:32.839 It's good. 0:04:32.960 --> 0:04:35.680 My view is, well, yeah, I think for me, the 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:39.680 thing the problem with sometimes like set lens is the 0:04:39.760 --> 0:04:42.640 change over time between artists. I think maybe behind the 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:44.640 scenes a bit of when you've got twenty minutes is 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.560 the shortest I've had before, but it's just impossible and 0:04:47.600 --> 0:04:49.920 it's really stressful. That band has to get all their 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:52.240 gear off, You have to set all your gear up, 0:04:52.600 --> 0:04:56.880 check it all, get your monitors sounding okay, and most 0:04:56.920 --> 0:04:59.200 of the time you come off stage so stressed and 0:04:59.240 --> 0:05:00.920 they're like, you've got thirty second sometime you need to 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:05.000 go on, and it's just it's hard because the amount 0:05:05.040 --> 0:05:07.640 of artists I've seen a festivals of any technical problems 0:05:08.040 --> 0:05:10.240 which has just come from not having enough time to 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:11.960 set the gear up properly. 0:05:11.600 --> 0:05:12.360 And check it all. 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:15.479 We've had people on the podcast before we've been quite 0:05:15.480 --> 0:05:19.800 open and honest about saying like festivals sometimes are just 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:21.920 a necessary thing that they have to do and it's 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:24.520 their least kind of favorite of really all the shows. 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:28.440 Like Admittedly, the thing that people often say is they 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.200 enjoy playing to an audience that's necessarily theirs, which I 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:34.080 totally take that point. Good opportunities to expand your fan 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.360 base and things like that, but the actual scenario can 0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:38.960 be quite as you just explain, a little bit stressful, 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:39.560 quite pressured. 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:41.400 Not that it makes me feel so much better, because 0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:45.160 that's how I feel, and I just feel that there's 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:48.880 something wrong with me that I for not enjoying myself more. 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:50.640 But I think it's okay to say that though. Isn't 0:05:50.680 --> 0:05:53.280 it like if it at festivals that you have a 0:05:53.279 --> 0:05:55.320 preference of playing other types of shows, And I think it's. 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:59.000 I think it's so dependent. But the stress part of 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:01.640 it all, and it's such a way sometimes for half 0:06:01.640 --> 0:06:04.719 an hour or something, you drive six hours in a van, 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:08.320 turn up, it's just all go in this sort of 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.359 hour slot you have where it's doing the changeover, setting 0:06:11.360 --> 0:06:13.520 anything up, then playing and not running over. There's a 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:16.000 big clock on the stage, don't go over, so then 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:17.480 you think I'm not going to talk at all or 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:19.160 say anything, so I can play the songs that I 0:06:19.200 --> 0:06:22.720 want to say, and then it feels harder to make 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:26.400 the same connection to the crowd, and you sometimes worrying 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.240 about people coming in drifting out the ten You can 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:31.200 see people leaving as they're going to go and watch 0:06:31.240 --> 0:06:32.840 something else. You know, they come and watch a couple 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:34.720 songs of yours and some people leave and you think, 0:06:34.760 --> 0:06:38.560 oh god, they hate it, and you know I'm boring them, 0:06:38.600 --> 0:06:40.520 and they're going to go watch someone better and who 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.400 someone else is on and all that sort of stuff. 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:45.000 So I think there's a lot going through my mind, 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:47.000 and I often just don't play the songs that I 0:06:47.160 --> 0:06:49.719 like the most, which are my quieter ones and my 0:06:49.800 --> 0:06:51.000 more acoustic. 0:06:50.560 --> 0:06:53.360 Songs, because it does the occasion. 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:55.640 Yeah, and especially if people are chatting and having a 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:59.440 good time and everything. But actually going to a festival 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:02.440 as a punch, it's so much fun, and I think 0:07:02.480 --> 0:07:05.320 I'm just sometimes jealous. You feel so disconnected to that 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:08.200 fun that's happening. When you're performing. 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:11.160 Sometimes you're pretty much not exactly fresh. Were like ten 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:12.960 days on now, but you were a glass to me 0:07:13.080 --> 0:07:18.360 this year. Yeah, playing just after or just before Keifer Sutherland. 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:19.440 Just after Keifer Sutherland. 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.000 Yeah, that's a cool thing to say, right, very cool. 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:24.320 I was desperate for it. I was like, I'm going 0:07:24.360 --> 0:07:25.520 to get a selfie. I've got to. 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:28.080 It's Keith Sutherland. It would be such a shame not to. 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:32.480 And then when he was there, he was quite you know, stern. 0:07:32.560 --> 0:07:34.480 He had like a fag hanging out of his mouth, 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:37.240 and cowboy boots on, big cowboy hat, a lot of 0:07:38.120 --> 0:07:40.440 security and stuff, and I was like, oh, I just can't. 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:42.320 I've got to play it somewhat cool. 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:43.240 Yeah, I was. 0:07:43.240 --> 0:07:45.000 Hoping to watch his set, but it was all closed 0:07:45.000 --> 0:07:48.600 off and the stage was closed off for his set, right, 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.920 and we were all moved. We couldn't be, no one 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.480 could be sort of behind the scenes. Even though we 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.560 were ready to go and put our stuff up, set up, 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:58.680 we had to be all moved so that when he 0:07:58.720 --> 0:07:59.280 came off stage. 0:07:59.320 --> 0:08:00.960 He doesn't like people looking at him. 0:08:01.000 --> 0:08:03.280 Apparently when he was coming it was like the Hollywood 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:05.520 treatment then, right, Yeah, it was. 0:08:05.680 --> 0:08:07.760 It was definitely, and he had his own mixing desk. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:10.040 I just felt, you know, we just turned up with 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.120 our sort of half working gear, you know, and it 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:16.640 was like, there's insane thousands of pounds worth of gear 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:17.120 that he had. 0:08:17.320 --> 0:08:20.680 What's your policy generally on going and getting selfies with 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:24.840 people that you admire or that you just want to get, 0:08:24.960 --> 0:08:25.600 like a photo with. 0:08:25.960 --> 0:08:30.280 Always wish I had, you know, I never do. 0:08:30.880 --> 0:08:32.199 I bottled it in the last minute. 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:34.040 Always I always bottle it. 0:08:34.600 --> 0:08:37.079 And then the problem was my sister was there lesson 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.760 and her friend came back in the dressing room, was 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.960 so smug and to check it out, and she had 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.000 a proper selfie with Keeper Sublan. 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:45.160 I was like no. 0:08:46.760 --> 0:08:49.600 And also Lissie was playing before Keeper Sutherland. She got 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:50.320 a great SELFI and. 0:08:50.360 --> 0:08:52.120 I was like, why do I do it? And I 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:54.320 just can't bring myself to do it in any way. 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:57.800 It's just and also I'm just generally, I think, quite awkward, 0:08:57.840 --> 0:09:00.640 so it would just be I'd be awkward and sarcastic 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:02.480 and confusing for them. 0:09:02.480 --> 0:09:05.560 I think, did you stick around at Glastonbury? Did you 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:07.160 go and see some of the stuff? Did you make 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:08.400 a weekend of it? What did you do? 0:09:08.480 --> 0:09:08.800 Wish? 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.680 I mean, I had these gigs in Italy the same 0:09:11.920 --> 0:09:15.160 week as Gastonbury, so I went to Rome and COONa 0:09:15.320 --> 0:09:18.080 and ConA, and I only flew back in the day 0:09:18.120 --> 0:09:21.600 before Mastonbury, So I just drove up on the Sunday 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:24.680 and then it's so boring, No, what's to know these things? 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:27.920 But because I'm managing myself and everything, I'm probably more 0:09:27.960 --> 0:09:30.680 involved in things. But if I stayed then I'd have 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:32.280 to keep the van and then I'd have to pay 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:34.040 an extra one hundred and fifty quid on keeping the 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:34.920 van the next day. 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:37.400 So just sort of just headed straight back. 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:42.520 What was it like when you manage yourself like because 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:44.959 you do then have to be involved in the day 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:48.040 to day the spreadsheets, the balance in the books, the 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:51.000 booking of things, being conscious of things that a lot 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:52.959 of other people, a lot of other artists in a 0:09:52.960 --> 0:09:56.880 similar position, would effectively have done for them because they'd 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:59.960 be employing a manager. Do you find it a liberate 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.840 experience to be in charge of all that stuff or 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:06.479 do you find it adds another layer of complexity? 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:10.240 I really like it personally. I think sometimes it would 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:13.319 be difficult. When you look at sometimes when other people 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:18.120 are organizing things or sometimes sorting things out, I always go, 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:19.640 I wouldn't have done it like that, you know, I 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.360 wish we hadn't organize it like that. But then it's 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.360 hard because you have to employ people and just let 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:26.560 them do what they do and then have their best 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.800 judgment of what those decisions are. But for me it 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.560 was really good because I think I do like things 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:37.040 a certain way, and I don't know. Often sometimes it 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:40.000 just feels like it's an extra messenger. I think some 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:43.440 people find it hard that I'm managing myself. I don't 0:10:43.480 --> 0:10:46.200 think it's normal for some parts of the team to 0:10:46.240 --> 0:10:49.360 talk directly to an artist about finances and things like that, 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:52.480 and some people find it a bit awkward. But at 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.760 the same time, it is the artist's money at the 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:56.800 end of the day, and it kind of frustrates me. 0:10:56.800 --> 0:10:58.600 It's like, oh, you should really be thinking about this, 0:10:58.720 --> 0:11:01.720 and it's like, but it's coming straight out my bank account, 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.520 So why should I not be thinking about this or 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.520 worrying about this. This is, you know, my money at the. 0:11:07.559 --> 0:11:08.080 End of the day. 0:11:08.720 --> 0:11:12.079 So with something like Glastonbury, presuming he didn't get a 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:14.560 chance to stick out and see so if you're there 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.920 on a Sunday Ed Shearing. 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.520 Headlining, unfortunately not, I would have really loved to. 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:21.880 Okay, cool, because didn't you play like a gig with 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:23.959 Ed in the early days or. 0:11:24.080 --> 0:11:28.520 Yeah, Edie like Eddie. I didn't just call him Eddie. 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:31.480 Ed He used to play like open mics, is it? 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:33.920 But it sounds like Eddie, But it's not Eddie. It's 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.960 not some weird nickname I've given him Ed. He used 0:11:36.960 --> 0:11:39.920 to play open Mics at the same time as me 0:11:40.720 --> 0:11:42.400 and just knew it from there. 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.600 And I think, for what, you know, for. 0:11:45.720 --> 0:11:48.319 Artists like me, he's a huge inspiration for someone that 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:51.720 I spent you know, years on the same open Mics 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.680 circuits him doing the same things, and watching him with 0:11:54.800 --> 0:11:57.080 those songs more and more people get into it, and 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:02.160 watching his projection into being one of the biggest superstars 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:03.719 in the world now headlining Glastonbury. 0:12:03.760 --> 0:12:04.920 It's quite astonishing. 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.120 This week is a big week for you because you're 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:11.520 releasing your new album. Something's changing on Friday. So in 0:12:11.559 --> 0:12:14.640 a week like this, how are you because presumably it's 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:20.280 a lot of kind of interviews, press engagements, radio sessions, filming, 0:12:20.360 --> 0:12:23.559 et cetera, et cetera. Is it exciting being involved in 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:25.520 the week up before and I'm released or is it 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:28.640 hectic stressful? How do you find the process the sort 0:12:28.640 --> 0:12:31.160 of moments just before it's kind of everybody gets to 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:31.839 experience it. 0:12:32.240 --> 0:12:34.880 I think it's big ups and downs for me. And 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:38.280 I think because you have all these exciting things where 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.240 you're live on radio and you're thinking, I can't believe I'm. 0:12:41.120 --> 0:12:44.160 Here and everything, and then probably. 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:45.720 Tonight when I'm going to sleep, I'll be thinking, no 0:12:45.800 --> 0:12:48.000 one wants my record and it's coming out, and what 0:12:48.040 --> 0:12:51.360 happens if no one likes it? And I think that 0:12:51.520 --> 0:12:54.839 voice that's in everyone's head sometimes can get a bit 0:12:54.840 --> 0:12:59.040 annoying in this week, but I think I'm learning, especially 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:01.440 this time, being my third record that's come out, to 0:13:01.559 --> 0:13:04.600 ignore it and really concentrate on the fact that, yeah, 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:07.320 things are busy, but how amazing is that I could 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:09.680 be putting a record out and no one wanting to 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:11.559 be talking to me about it, or no one asking 0:13:11.600 --> 0:13:14.400 me on their shows. Now, that would be really scary. 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:18.280 So really, I just mind over matter. When it's busy, 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.720 it's just think good about it. Think it's positive. 0:13:21.240 --> 0:13:22.719 One of the interesting things that you're doing this time 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:25.120 as well is that, along with the recent release of 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:29.240 the album, you've made a documentary. Because last year in 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.760 twenty sixteen, you traveled to South America in a very 0:13:32.800 --> 0:13:37.000 kind of unique tour set of shows where you appealed 0:13:37.000 --> 0:13:39.760 to your fans and said I want you to book 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:42.400 my shows and I want to come and stay with you. 0:13:42.800 --> 0:13:45.480 And you set off there and you did that for 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:47.400 two months and travel all around South America and you 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:49.280 made a documentary about it as well. Tell us a 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.559 bit about the countries that you visited during that period. 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:56.640 Well, we flew into Quito, Ecuador, never been there before, 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.760 like most of these places. And then when to prove 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:02.600 a fan, took me to match you Pichu as well. 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.679 Which did you use a trek to. 0:14:06.040 --> 0:14:07.800 I was like, oh, we did sunggate the trek in 0:14:07.840 --> 0:14:10.160 the morning, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean we got the 0:14:10.160 --> 0:14:12.800 bus up to the gates. 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.280 And then takes a couple of days otherwise. 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:17.280 Right, Well then, yeah, it took two and a half 0:14:17.360 --> 0:14:20.080 hours from once you're in the gates of Matchi Picchi 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:21.680 to get right to the top of Sungate. So we 0:14:21.760 --> 0:14:25.440 did that around five thirty or something and got there 0:14:25.480 --> 0:14:28.920 just before sunrise. And oh it was extraordinary, It was 0:14:29.040 --> 0:14:31.640 so amazing. I'll ever find the words to describe how 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:35.160 great that was. And the trips I went through Peru 0:14:35.240 --> 0:14:37.440 and Chili. I need to make sure I get this 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:44.280 all right, Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay, Brazil and then up to Mexico. 0:14:44.640 --> 0:14:47.520 So yeah, the fact that the documentary's coming out tomorrow, 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.600 I think, not that they're more excited than the record, 0:14:50.800 --> 0:14:51.600 but it's different. 0:14:51.800 --> 0:14:54.320 It's totally different than the record. Musically. 0:14:54.360 --> 0:14:56.560 I know that the record some people love it, some 0:14:56.560 --> 0:14:58.800 people might not like it, but I think with the 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:04.640 documentary it feels in many ways broader that hopefully I 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.000 can't you know, I'd hope that someone could watch it, 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.080 even if they don't like my music or anything, and 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:13.560 still take something, get something out of that, because I 0:15:13.600 --> 0:15:17.960 think it's such an amazingly important story. 0:15:17.560 --> 0:15:18.640 And thing that I learned. 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:20.880 And the fact that I think that we've put it 0:15:20.920 --> 0:15:25.600 into this short film, which shows how amazing people are, 0:15:25.800 --> 0:15:31.440 really restore your faith in humanity, in the goodness and 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:34.240 kindness of people, and also in music. 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:34.960 I think if you. 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:39.120 If you're not even just you write music or you perform, 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:41.160 or you work in the industry in any way, but 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:43.840 if you love music and you feel like your passion, 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.120 I think it's important because it shows why music is important, 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:51.160 really important, and sometimes I think that can get forgotten. 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:53.920 An artist can think I certainly did. Oh, I don't 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.600 know if there's any point anymore, if anyone even cares. 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.760 And there's this amazing thing of social media, but it 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:02.400 also can be a barrier sometimes of actually not getting 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:06.280 to know anybody ever. Spending three days with you know, 0:16:06.760 --> 0:16:10.840 forty different people and really getting to know them, their stories, 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.240 why they like music was so amazing. 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:17.560 I'm fascinated by the practical details of what you did, 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.240 particularly in the first few days. So how did you 0:16:20.320 --> 0:16:23.000 feel the night before you jumped on that plane to 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:25.560 go to ecardor knowing that you were embarking on this 0:16:26.400 --> 0:16:29.640 big unknown Ultimately? Were you confident in what you were 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:31.160 about to do or were you were you? 0:16:31.240 --> 0:16:33.720 Yeah, okay, I think so I was. I was with 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:35.480 my husband, so I think that was a big sort 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.880 of security barrier. I wasn't getting on the plane on 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:40.560 my own. I think that would be quite different if 0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.160 I was, but he was. Then I kept thinking, Oh, 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:47.000 worse comes to worst, I'll just check myself into a hotel. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:50.040 I've always wanted to go to these places, I've always 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:52.640 wanted to visit them, so you know, I'm still going 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:56.320 to go and have an incredible experience. Whatever happens. I 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.320 think Will found it with my other half. He found 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.600 it tricky because he's my tor manager, so normally he's 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:04.080 always organizing everything. 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:06.959 And we were on the planes, like, so, who are 0:17:07.280 --> 0:17:09.399 who are Who's picking us up from the airport? And 0:17:09.400 --> 0:17:10.280 we were on the plane. 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.600 I was like, oh, Sarah was picking us up and 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:14.920 he's like, who Who's Sarah? And I don't know anything 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.040 about her. It's like where does she live? I don't 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:18.520 know who does. 0:17:18.440 --> 0:17:20.600 She live with? I have no idea. It was oh 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.359 my god. So I think he was more stressed, but 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:25.439 I liked it. I think some horrible part of it 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:26.520 actually enjoyed that thrill. 0:17:26.840 --> 0:17:28.600 Yeah, the thrill of it all, and especially if he 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:30.200 was stressed, I was like, this is hilarious. 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:31.119 Yeah. 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.040 And so you got to Ecuador there was the kind 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:37.360 of first stop on this this this journey across South America. 0:17:37.480 --> 0:17:40.800 But the when you're staying with fans, like they were 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:44.200 inviting you into their homes, very personal experience to do that. 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:47.919 So you're there in like, who's the first fan that 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:49.600 you met? For example, Yeah. 0:17:49.520 --> 0:17:53.880 Sarah was the first one that picked us up, and yeah, 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:56.960 they invited us into their homes. The thing I didn't 0:17:57.000 --> 0:17:59.280 realize at the time is how nervous they were about 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:02.440 me coming to in their houses and how much they're 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.320 worried that their home wouldn't be enough and I wouldn't 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:09.679 like it, you know, coming from the UK and then 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:13.640 traveling to countries which are still you know, developing countries, 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:17.040 Third world countries, they were very nervous, some of them 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:20.720 that I wouldn't like their house and their home. That 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:26.280 makes me so sad even saying that now. But they 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.159 were more basic than you know, anywhere else I've ever stayed. 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:32.440 But it was such an amazing experience because you really 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:36.120 understand somewhere better when you're living with someone locally. Yeah, 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:40.440 completely different cultural experience you experience. You know, we stayed 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:44.000 with someone who had two kids, two young kids, so 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:47.760 we're staying within a family of four, and for breakfast 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:49.800 with them and right took them to school in the morning, 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:53.000 like pushing the pram in Lima to school with someone 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:57.360 I met the day before. Like this is madness, and 0:18:57.400 --> 0:18:59.560 really get getting thrown into different people's lives. And I 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:03.760 think as a songwriter that's important because it's important to 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.479 have a grasp on reality and sometimes you don't if 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:11.000 you're just touring and writing songs and playing shows, I 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:15.399 think you can sometimes lose perspective on reality, on normal 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:19.280 people's lives. And you know, I think one of the 0:19:19.280 --> 0:19:22.720 most inspiring things ever is I once bumped into Laura Marling. 0:19:22.760 --> 0:19:25.639 I hope she doesn't mind if I say this before. 0:19:25.680 --> 0:19:29.119 She quite great, and it was we were doing it 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:32.720 a give for Africa Express and we all had like 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:36.160 meal vouchers in this restaurant right by the venue where 0:19:36.160 --> 0:19:39.119 we were playing Granary Square, and I saw her on 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.040 the other side of the room and she waved, oh, 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:43.159 go say I like it, Laura is there, and I 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:44.359 went over and I was like, are you playing as 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:48.080 well at Africa Express. She's like, now, I work here, 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.199 And what do you mean you work here? Jack, I 0:19:51.240 --> 0:19:54.680 cook the lamp on the lamb chef. I'm there serious 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:58.000