WEBVTT - 8 Polarizing Players We Struggle to Rank & Value (Ep. 387)

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<v Speaker 1>Hello everybody, Welcome to the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast,

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<v Speaker 1>brought to you by League Tycoon, the Dynasty first dannasy

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<v Speaker 1>football platform. I'm Ryan, warmly joined by Scott Bogman. Just

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Bogman this week because our friend and colleague Pat

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<v Speaker 1>fitz Morris is probably a few beers deep in Canton,

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<v Speaker 1>Ohio at the Fantasy Football Exfo with our colleagues. I

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<v Speaker 1>wish I could be there this year. It's been a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years since I was there. Actually, super fun

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<v Speaker 1>time the one time I went hanging out with friends, fans,

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<v Speaker 1>people in the industry, and of course our colleagues. We

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<v Speaker 1>have quite a few Fantasy Pros folks there. Wish I

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<v Speaker 1>could join them. Didn't work out this year, but we're

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<v Speaker 1>carrying on the Dynasty show without fits for just a

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<v Speaker 1>week here. Paus jealous.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm jealous too, So wish we could be a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of beers deep. But hey, talking some football. Not a

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<v Speaker 2>bad runners up prize. We'll take that.

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<v Speaker 1>We will certainly take it. We're talking some football, some

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<v Speaker 1>polarizing players we struggle to rank. This is in Dynasty,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, as a reminder, all of our twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six consensus rankings and tiers can be found at fantasypros

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<v Speaker 1>dot com slash rankings. You can navigate to our Dynasty

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<v Speaker 1>rankings from there as well. Bogman, you put together eight

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<v Speaker 1>names for us here today. We've got quarterbacks, we've got

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<v Speaker 1>running backs, we've got wide receivers, and we've even got

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<v Speaker 1>a tight end. At the end of the show, I

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<v Speaker 1>say we dive right in here with the quarterbacks. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>just quickly, with the two quarterbacks that you put together,

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<v Speaker 1>is it struggling to rank them in general? Is it

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<v Speaker 1>specifically in super flex versus one QB format in Dynasty,

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<v Speaker 1>or just kind of in general you struggle to rank

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<v Speaker 1>these two.

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<v Speaker 2>I think with all the players that'll pick today, it's

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<v Speaker 2>that they offer an immense ceiling and an immense floor.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really just hard on where to rank them.

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<v Speaker 2>The two guys in particular at quarterback that I have

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<v Speaker 2>would only be hard to rank in super flex and

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<v Speaker 2>not really hard to rank in a one QB league

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<v Speaker 2>because they're not in the top twelve qbs for the

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<v Speaker 2>most part, the top the QB ones. You'd have to

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<v Speaker 2>be a very deep league to get these guys in

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<v Speaker 2>a QB one. So for me, it's really guys that

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<v Speaker 2>offer a wide range of outcomes in my opinion. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously some of those opinions will be mistaken by the

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<v Speaker 2>end of this season or in the future. In Dynasty,

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<v Speaker 2>it's you're not talking, you know, you talk about four

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<v Speaker 2>year windows on one day, three year windows on one day,

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<v Speaker 2>however you want to say it. But yeah, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's just kind of my thing with all of these players.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of them I'm high on, some of them I'm

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<v Speaker 2>low on. And with the quarterbacks, I got one in

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<v Speaker 2>each category here.

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<v Speaker 1>First up, we'll talk about Malik Willis. He is quarterback

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<v Speaker 1>twenty four in ECR, twenty seven years old. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>gonna give his first chance to be a starter kind

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<v Speaker 1>of at a later age. We obviously know what the

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<v Speaker 1>rushing ability is, you know, pretty much at the highest

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<v Speaker 1>level you can possibly have, like just shy if prime Lamar.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, his legs really are special. But will he

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<v Speaker 1>get the opportunity to be a long term starter to

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<v Speaker 1>show off that rushing ability. Will he be able to

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<v Speaker 1>throw to anybody in Miami this year besides your boy

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Bell. So again, QB twenty four right at the

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<v Speaker 1>back end of that super flex starting range, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>very back end of you know, not even closest starting

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<v Speaker 1>if you're going based on that ranking in a one

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<v Speaker 1>QB league. Where is he ranked for you? And why

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<v Speaker 1>does he make this list for you?

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<v Speaker 2>I am at seventeen. His range, I think from the

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<v Speaker 2>ECR that I saw on Dynasty is sixteen to thirty four.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm definitely on the high end having him at

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen here, And it's the rushing upside that that makes

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<v Speaker 2>me want to keep a guy like Malik willis ranked

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<v Speaker 2>this high, you know, at Liberty in two seasons, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's Liberty, it's a smaller school, but twenty two, one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty three yards, twenty seven rushing touchdowns. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>obviously had a cup of coffee at with a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of starts for Jordan Love and he's looked good in those,

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<v Speaker 2>So you go to Miami. But Miami is a much

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<v Speaker 2>different situation, obviously, specifically with the talent around him, there's

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<v Speaker 2>really good quarterback. We should have improvements on the on

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<v Speaker 2>line last year, which was a disaster in twenty twenty five,

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<v Speaker 2>so we should see some improvements. But the wide receivers

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<v Speaker 2>stink out loud. I mean, I don't know how else

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<v Speaker 2>to say it. They are not good, right, It's a

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<v Speaker 2>it's the island of misfit toys here. So the potential

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<v Speaker 2>upside for Malik Willis this season is capped, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>tough to be capped this year because you and I

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<v Speaker 2>and fits have been talking about the immense twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seven quarterback draft class. Right, so if you don't show

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<v Speaker 2>that you are definitely the guy this year, then you

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<v Speaker 2>could be replaced. But it cuts both ways because if

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<v Speaker 2>you show you are definitely the guy this year, there's

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<v Speaker 2>some really good wide receivers that ay be on the

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<v Speaker 2>board for this team to pick. They have ninety nine

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<v Speaker 2>million dollars in cap space, which I believe is third

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<v Speaker 2>most as it stands today for twenty twenty seven. So

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<v Speaker 2>you can spend some money on some pieces to help

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<v Speaker 2>Malik Willis, whether be on the offensive line or at

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<v Speaker 2>wide receivers. And if you are keeping him beyond this year,

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<v Speaker 2>so many picks coming out. I like the upside for

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<v Speaker 2>a guy like Chris Bell, specifically if he's a number

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<v Speaker 2>two in this in this offense, I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for him for fantasy wise, it'd be better if he's

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<v Speaker 2>a number one, but I don't think that. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think Chris Bell has that in him. I think he's

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<v Speaker 2>probably a number two. He could be a high end

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<v Speaker 2>number two for fantasy. But I think that it just

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<v Speaker 2>just cuts both ways, so largely for him, because it's

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<v Speaker 2>easy to get out of this contract for him. He

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<v Speaker 2>is after twenty twenty seven. He is easily dumpable, right,

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<v Speaker 2>not not a large contract, So it's this year and

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<v Speaker 2>next year. But if you look bad this year and

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<v Speaker 2>you're not being set up for success either right, rough

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<v Speaker 2>offensive line, rough wide receivers, you're gonna have to show

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<v Speaker 2>it with your legs. You're gonna have to not turn

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<v Speaker 2>the ball over as much as we expect, maybe only

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<v Speaker 2>in those scenarios where you know you're trying to play

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<v Speaker 2>from behind him catch up. That's when you throw your picks.

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<v Speaker 2>Even if it's a lot of picks. We can handle those.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you're making mistakes early in the game in

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<v Speaker 2>the middle of the game constantly, you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>keep this job. So I just think there's such a

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<v Speaker 2>wide range of outcomes for Malik Willis, But the rushing

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<v Speaker 2>upside makes me want to keep him pretty high. In

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<v Speaker 2>my ranking, So I'm gonna I do believe in Malik Willis,

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<v Speaker 2>but it does make me a little queasy to be

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<v Speaker 2>one of the higher rankers on him knowing that the

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<v Speaker 2>floor could drop out.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I do think that on field, right, because there's

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<v Speaker 1>there are other guys who have a wide range of

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<v Speaker 1>outcomes due to injury or off the field issues stuff

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<v Speaker 1>like that. On field only, I don't think there's a

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<v Speaker 1>player on your list that has a wider range of

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<v Speaker 1>potential outcomes in terms of dynasty value because the upside

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<v Speaker 1>genuinely is like a top three quarterback in fantasy, which

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<v Speaker 1>sounds insane because he is nowhere near that as a

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<v Speaker 1>real life quarterback. But if he is truly as special

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<v Speaker 1>as he has looked as a runner, that is just

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<v Speaker 1>such a cheat code where it does not matter if

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<v Speaker 1>the passing isn't By the way, the passing is pretty

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<v Speaker 1>good at times in flashes last season, but the running

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<v Speaker 1>is that special. Like if you guaranteed me health. For

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<v Speaker 1>every quarterback in the NFL this season, there's like maybe

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<v Speaker 1>four guys that I would say, okay, I expect them

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<v Speaker 1>to generate more fantasy value from their legs than Elik Willis.

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<v Speaker 1>And two of them are Alan and Hurts, which is

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<v Speaker 1>only because of the touchdowns that they're gonna bring. But

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of like the yardage and the explosive plays

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<v Speaker 1>and then possibly also touchdowns. For willis from his legs

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<v Speaker 1>that is going to carry him when he ever every

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<v Speaker 1>game that he has the opportunity to be the starter

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<v Speaker 1>so far it raises both the ceiling and the floor.

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<v Speaker 1>And yet this time next year he might be a backup.

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<v Speaker 1>Like so, it is just the most remarkably wide range

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<v Speaker 1>of outcomes for him, I think is a perfect option

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<v Speaker 1>for this list. You know, we call it polarizing players

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<v Speaker 1>to rank. You have ranked him on the high end,

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<v Speaker 1>but still, you know, relative to that range, still hard

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<v Speaker 1>to get, you know, kind of really put your finger

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<v Speaker 1>on it, I think, and feel confident about it, honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean, he is, like you said, just a

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<v Speaker 2>wide range of outcomes. But it's those legs, man. The

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<v Speaker 2>legs just give us so much for fantasy, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is what I'm banking on. So and he should with

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<v Speaker 2>a bad O line and tough wide receivers, you should

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<v Speaker 2>have plenty of opportunities to run, which you know also

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<v Speaker 2>increases chance of injuries. So wide range of outcomes for

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<v Speaker 2>Malik Willis, but give me the upside, man, that's what

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<v Speaker 2>we want in fantasy.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you want to lean on the more optimistic

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<v Speaker 1>end of that ranking long term, I mean, I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's worth remembering that this was you know, front office

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<v Speaker 1>and head coach that just saw him every day in

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<v Speaker 1>practice and decided that that was the guy they wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to bring with them to Miami. And part of that

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<v Speaker 1>is there are not a ton of options out there

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<v Speaker 1>for a starting quarterback and free agency every year. But like,

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<v Speaker 1>if they didn't think he had it in him, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't think they would have given him twenty million dollars

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<v Speaker 1>a year. So right, that carries some weight with me,

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<v Speaker 1>even if it's not the only thing that matters.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>who's your other quarterback you want to talk about?

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about Kyler Murray right in Minnesota because this

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<v Speaker 2>is such a great opportunity for Kyler Murray. But is

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<v Speaker 2>Kyler is still good enough to keep this job? And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that I

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<v Speaker 2>think JJ McCarthy is going to win this job, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I know they're calling it a competition. I'm throwing up

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<v Speaker 2>air quotes in uh, you know, in camp and everything.

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<v Speaker 2>It ain't gonna go that long. I think even KOs

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<v Speaker 2>even said it shouldn't be too long before Murray is

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<v Speaker 2>the guy, and so I'm not saying that McCarthy is

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<v Speaker 2>an option for this year. But I'm also not very

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<v Speaker 2>convinced that they're completely done with McCarthy. I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>the KOC is. So I do think that Murray is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna have to impress this season. Can he do that? Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the KOC has been known as a quarterback

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<v Speaker 2>miracle worker, and if Kyler Murray is good this year,

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<v Speaker 2>they won't possibly let another quarterback walk like they did

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Donald. He cannot do it again, right, So maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it plays a little more in his favor, But I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't know. I think that I think that it's

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<v Speaker 2>probably the starting quarterback of the Vikings in twenty twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, is probably either gonna be McCarthy or

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<v Speaker 2>a draft pick, right, and we'll see. I'm just not

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<v Speaker 2>convinced that Murray is good enough to hold this job

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<v Speaker 2>long term. Last season he was okay, right, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think he was QB eighteen in points per game in

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<v Speaker 2>only five games. He's missed big chunks of the last

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<v Speaker 2>two seasons. Now there's a little weirdness of that too,

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<v Speaker 2>which again makes this dude hard to rank in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, when he was shut down after five games

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<v Speaker 2>because of a foot injury, was that more because the

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<v Speaker 2>Cardinals were done with him and they didn't want him

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<v Speaker 2>to get hurt again and then have to pay the

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<v Speaker 2>insurance and all of that stuff. We heard that narrative

0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.599
<v Speaker 2>going around a lot of people thought Jacoby Prisett was

0:11:48.679 --> 0:11:52.960
<v Speaker 2>just playing better and that the locker room liked Jacoby better, right,

0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.160
<v Speaker 2>And then there was even you know, after they fired

0:11:56.240 --> 0:11:59.640
<v Speaker 2>Gannon and we're looking for coaches, they were even considering

0:12:00.000 --> 0:12:02.400
<v Speaker 2>bringing him back. They said they're definitely gonna trade him

0:12:02.520 --> 0:12:04.960
<v Speaker 2>and all of this nonsense before he ended up getting waived.

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<v Speaker 2>So I he has an opportunity here. I think the

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<v Speaker 2>legs are they're not gone, but they're not the danger

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<v Speaker 2>that people will give him credit for. He's a smaller

0:12:17.040 --> 0:12:20.080
<v Speaker 2>guy that has had injury issues, and I don't really

0:12:20.679 --> 0:12:22.760
<v Speaker 2>I don't buy that he was actually hurt last year,

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<v Speaker 2>to be honest with you, I just think that the

0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.559
<v Speaker 2>Cardinals were done with him. So I'm not really concerned

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<v Speaker 2>about the injury stuff for him, But it was a

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<v Speaker 2>concern coming into the league for him might shorten his career,

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<v Speaker 2>and I just he wasn't successful with Marvin Harrison and

0:12:38.559 --> 0:12:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Trey McBride and you know, a decent offense in Arizona.

0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.480
<v Speaker 2>We saw Michael Wilson break out as well, Right, So

0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:47.760
<v Speaker 2>this was a good offense that he had the keys

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<v Speaker 2>to and was mediocre with. I feel like he might

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<v Speaker 2>do the same thing in Minnesota. And if that's the case,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that Kyler Murray is not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a starter. There's gonna be plenty of teams looking

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<v Speaker 2>for quarterbacks next year, right, I mean a lot of

0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.800
<v Speaker 2>teams looking for quarterbacks next year, either in the draft

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<v Speaker 2>or in free agency. My team is one of them.

0:13:07.240 --> 0:13:09.920
<v Speaker 2>The Jets are definitely looking for a quarterback, and you

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<v Speaker 2>can go through and run through a bunch of teams

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<v Speaker 2>that are maybes. Right, I could have put Tyler Schuck

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<v Speaker 2>on here as well, Like if he has a down year.

0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:20.800
<v Speaker 2>You know how c J. Stroud had his great rookie

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<v Speaker 2>year and then a down year and everyone is down

0:13:24.280 --> 0:13:26.120
<v Speaker 2>on c J. Stroud now a little bit where he

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<v Speaker 2>was a top five You know, Tyler Schuck could have

0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.320
<v Speaker 2>that as well. So I could have put him on here.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is such a good opportunity. It's such a

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<v Speaker 2>good place to be with a coach that is almost

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<v Speaker 2>a miracle worker with quarterbacks, I could see it working.

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<v Speaker 2>I just don't know if Kyler is going to be

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<v Speaker 2>the guy so and I believed in him coming out

0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:51.480
<v Speaker 2>of college, you know, even though he was a sooner,

0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:54.760
<v Speaker 2>I still liked him right. Got to stick up for

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<v Speaker 2>the short guys when I can, of course, But I

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<v Speaker 2>just don't know if he hasn't in him anymore, will

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<v Speaker 2>he be successful. I think he's gonna have a decent year.

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<v Speaker 2>I have QB fifteen in my twenty twenty six rankings.

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<v Speaker 1>Well do you think the what's like the true upside,

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<v Speaker 1>like the I don't want to say, like one hundredth

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<v Speaker 1>percentile outcome, but like a realistic best case scenario lists

0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:20.360
<v Speaker 1>he's a starter all year, you know, with QB one magic, not.

0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.720
<v Speaker 2>QB one overall AHAB one like QB twelve to ten.

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<v Speaker 2>I think somewhere in that range is probably the realistic upside,

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't think that he has the rushing upside

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<v Speaker 2>of the guys that we mentioned earlier, the Josh Allens,

0:14:32.520 --> 0:14:35.760
<v Speaker 2>the Lamars, even Drake May and Jaden and guys like that.

0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I think he's you know, Trevor Lawrence rushing upside, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. Like, I think that part is gone,

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<v Speaker 2>but you don't need that when you have Justin Jefferson,

0:14:44.360 --> 0:14:47.040
<v Speaker 2>you have Jordan Addison, you have TJ. Howkinson. If they

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<v Speaker 2>can get that run game going a little bit better.

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<v Speaker 2>I did think the run game will be better just

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<v Speaker 2>because you don't have either a non NFL level quarterback

0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:59.360
<v Speaker 2>in Brosmer or banged up and probably should be retired

0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.840
<v Speaker 2>Carson Wentz or Jaj McCarthy who clearly wasn't ready. Like

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<v Speaker 2>that quarterback situation for the run game last year was

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<v Speaker 2>just a disaster. So I do think that the offense

0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:12.160
<v Speaker 2>will be better under Kyler. There will be market improvement,

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<v Speaker 2>but is that good enough to stave off Koc's obsession

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<v Speaker 2>with McCarthy or his obsession with one of the prospects

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<v Speaker 2>coming out in the twenty twenty seven draft, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>I just I question whether he holds this job long term.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's just a difference between playing with the Vikings

0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:33.480
<v Speaker 2>and Koc then you know, going to sign in Miami

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<v Speaker 2>if Malik will Willis doesn't work out, or going to

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<v Speaker 2>New Orleans or Pittsburgh or wherever it's so much better

0:15:39.360 --> 0:15:41.920
<v Speaker 2>in Minnesota. This is the job you want, And I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know. I think he's a coin flip to keep it,

0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:48.040
<v Speaker 2>and I would I would say he's probably sixty forty

0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:50.000
<v Speaker 2>on the not keeping it side.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get to the running backs. I want to start

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<v Speaker 1>with Zach Sharberney from your list, and I want to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of pose the question to you. Is this more

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<v Speaker 1>because of the inj and you never know how guys

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<v Speaker 1>are coming back from an injury. It's a long timeline,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, big season ending injury, or is it more

0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:09.360
<v Speaker 1>about their draft to Jujeri and Price and we don't

0:16:09.400 --> 0:16:12.120
<v Speaker 1>know what team Charbones that's going to. We don't know

0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:14.200
<v Speaker 1>what the workload split is going to look like between

0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:16.160
<v Speaker 1>those two when they're in the same backfield, and we

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<v Speaker 1>don't know Charbonnese's long term team that he's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>playing for. Is it more the uncertainty of the environment

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<v Speaker 1>or the uncertainty of the injury.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm actually positive on Sharps, so I have him

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<v Speaker 2>at twenty two where his ECR is thirty. So the

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<v Speaker 2>thing to me is that you know, is it gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be great this year? I don't think it is. I

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<v Speaker 2>think this is a bi low opportunity all the way

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<v Speaker 2>through until he comes back, right, which I would assume

0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:49.880
<v Speaker 2>is closer to you know, probably Thanksgiving than it is Halloween.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's just say it's in the middle of November

0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.600
<v Speaker 2>when he comes back from this uh torn acl Right,

0:16:55.680 --> 0:16:58.440
<v Speaker 2>if the Seahawks are anywhere near a playoff spot and

0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:01.920
<v Speaker 2>gliding towards one, they're probably gonna baby him back in. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>They're it's gonna be working with Jeri and Price, which

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<v Speaker 2>probably means they don't need to keep Sharbonay because he's

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<v Speaker 2>a free agent after this season, So it's probably working

0:17:09.760 --> 0:17:12.080
<v Speaker 2>with Price and you can baby Sharbonay back in. But

0:17:12.200 --> 0:17:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Zach Charbonay is a three down back. I think he's

0:17:14.520 --> 0:17:18.080
<v Speaker 2>a true three down back. This dude can catch passes.

0:17:18.119 --> 0:17:22.320
<v Speaker 2>He had ninety five catches in three seasons and twenty

0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:25.840
<v Speaker 2>touchdowns over the last two in the NFL. You know,

0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:29.520
<v Speaker 2>there's not a lot of cap space for this team.

0:17:29.560 --> 0:17:33.240
<v Speaker 2>I think he's going to go somewhere else and be

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<v Speaker 2>a three down back. I think the worst case scenario,

0:17:36.560 --> 0:17:40.040
<v Speaker 2>honestly would be that he re signs an extension with

0:17:40.160 --> 0:17:44.520
<v Speaker 2>the Seahawks and now it's him and Jedarien splitting things up,

0:17:45.000 --> 0:17:48.480
<v Speaker 2>just like it was with Kenneth Walker and zach Scharbonay

0:17:49.320 --> 0:17:51.720
<v Speaker 2>maybe more positive on his end because he'll be getting

0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.959
<v Speaker 2>the touchdowns, But I think if he looks healthy at

0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:57.080
<v Speaker 2>the end of this season, I think a team is

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<v Speaker 2>going to spend on him in free agency to bring

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<v Speaker 2>him in and make him a three down back in

0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:05.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty seven. So this is rare for me because

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<v Speaker 2>I usually like to look more in the here and

0:18:08.119 --> 0:18:10.440
<v Speaker 2>now in Dynasty. I like to look in the three

0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.520
<v Speaker 2>year window, and this is yet another guy that I

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<v Speaker 2>am lower on the ECR for twenty twenty six because

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think he comes back anytime soon, and I

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<v Speaker 2>believe in Jadarian Price. But when he does come back,

0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:26.040
<v Speaker 2>I do believe in charbon Ay more than I do

0:18:26.080 --> 0:18:28.400
<v Speaker 2>in a lot of other backs to be a three

0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:31.680
<v Speaker 2>down back for another team. I think he can do

0:18:31.760 --> 0:18:35.320
<v Speaker 2>a full Javonte Williams and as a younger man as well.

0:18:35.480 --> 0:18:40.399
<v Speaker 2>So that is my positivity on Sharbonay. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say by him in the middle of the year,

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<v Speaker 2>when guys start getting hurt, il spots ir spots start

0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:51.240
<v Speaker 2>filling up right and teams are frustrated with holding this guy.

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<v Speaker 2>That is when you trade for him. Specifically, if you're

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<v Speaker 2>a bottom feeder in your league in Dynasty, you go

0:18:56.880 --> 0:18:59.920
<v Speaker 2>get him this year because he's going to be very cheap.

0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:02.520
<v Speaker 2>Gonna be frustrated holding a hurt guy, and that's where

0:19:02.520 --> 0:19:03.880
<v Speaker 2>you go get him for cheap, and then in twenty

0:19:03.960 --> 0:19:06.520
<v Speaker 2>twenty seven he could pay off very well and you're

0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.840
<v Speaker 2>not gonna have to pay anywhere close to that price

0:19:08.920 --> 0:19:10.400
<v Speaker 2>for him specifically in season.

0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:15.000
<v Speaker 1>Jendarium price is RB twenty in ECR in Dynasty, Zach

0:19:15.080 --> 0:19:17.720
<v Speaker 1>Charbonne is RB thirty, So they're exactly ten spots apart.

0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:20.880
<v Speaker 1>What should that gap be I have?

0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.679
<v Speaker 2>I have Sharps at twenty two and I have Price

0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.320
<v Speaker 2>at twenty one, So so I had out a.

0:19:28.320 --> 0:19:32.080
<v Speaker 1>Gap at all, no gap, I because I think that

0:19:32.640 --> 0:19:37.520
<v Speaker 1>like Fit isn't quite as high on price, like even

0:19:37.560 --> 0:19:39.480
<v Speaker 1>for this year. I feel like because I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>when I look at Jendarium price that he is going

0:19:43.040 --> 0:19:45.920
<v Speaker 1>to have such a long runway with Seattle to start

0:19:45.920 --> 0:19:48.600
<v Speaker 1>his rookie season that I mean, if he just is

0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.399
<v Speaker 1>flat out bad, then obviously yeah he won't have value,

0:19:51.440 --> 0:19:55.560
<v Speaker 1>but he will have so much opportunity early on that

0:19:56.000 --> 0:19:58.840
<v Speaker 1>I really am viewing this as like it's his his

0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.439
<v Speaker 1>backfield this whole year. I know that there is a

0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:04.159
<v Speaker 1>world where during the Fantasy playoffs, Jarbonne is now the

0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:07.280
<v Speaker 1>lead back again and Price isn't getting that opportunity anymore.

0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:10.000
<v Speaker 1>But to your point, like he's not going to be

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<v Speaker 1>back until like Thanksgiving, and then you're just talking about

0:20:14.560 --> 0:20:16.240
<v Speaker 1>a few weeks they're gonna want to ramp them up

0:20:16.280 --> 0:20:17.960
<v Speaker 1>for the playoffs. This is a team that is their

0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:20.399
<v Speaker 1>eyes are set on February, not on December.

0:20:20.560 --> 0:20:24.080
<v Speaker 2>Like, I also don't know what Price is so much opportunity,

0:20:24.280 --> 0:20:26.400
<v Speaker 2>We don't know what price is true ceiling is right,

0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:30.399
<v Speaker 2>like because he had yeah, yeah, and Jeremi I Love

0:20:30.440 --> 0:20:32.720
<v Speaker 2>has said, hey, look Jared Brice can do everything I

0:20:33.040 --> 0:20:35.280
<v Speaker 2>can do. I think he definitely deserved to be a

0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:37.360
<v Speaker 2>first round running back. So you know, I know that's

0:20:37.440 --> 0:20:39.879
<v Speaker 2>caping up for your teammate and all that stuff, but yeah,

0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:42.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, let's look at the teams that might have

0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.520
<v Speaker 2>ourb issues next year. Right. The Colts and Bengals both

0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:49.119
<v Speaker 2>have JT and Jamar or Chase Brown excuse me, as

0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:52.840
<v Speaker 2>free agents. What's going on with the Bears is if

0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:55.600
<v Speaker 2>Swift is gone. Is an on guy the guy maybe

0:20:55.800 --> 0:21:00.240
<v Speaker 2>the Commanders, the Vikings, the Titans, the Jags. May not

0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:02.840
<v Speaker 2>have a primary running back on their team right now.

0:21:03.440 --> 0:21:06.160
<v Speaker 2>Your boy Derrick Henry is long in the tooth. If

0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.280
<v Speaker 2>the Ravens win the Super Bowl, maybe he hangs it up.

0:21:08.720 --> 0:21:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Montgomery is old. Is there a guy in Carolina right now?

0:21:12.720 --> 0:21:16.400
<v Speaker 2>There are plenty of running back situations that could use

0:21:16.400 --> 0:21:20.040
<v Speaker 2>a Charbonne next year. So I think that specifically, if

0:21:20.080 --> 0:21:22.440
<v Speaker 2>he looks good at the end of the year, he's

0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:25.439
<v Speaker 2>going to get a job. But I think even if

0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:29.160
<v Speaker 2>he signed as a flyer, he will earn a job.

0:21:29.480 --> 0:21:32.120
<v Speaker 2>And he is a three down back in my opinion,

0:21:32.200 --> 0:21:35.040
<v Speaker 2>so I think he gets just cheap right now, and

0:21:35.080 --> 0:21:37.639
<v Speaker 2>I have him much closer to his higher end. I

0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:40.640
<v Speaker 2>believe his range from the second highest is twenty one

0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:41.360
<v Speaker 2>to thirty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, definitely on the higher end here. Yeah, I

0:21:48.680 --> 0:21:51.040
<v Speaker 1>do you want to see him stay? Like, where would

0:21:51.040 --> 0:21:54.440
<v Speaker 1>you be his ultimate landing spot in your ideal scenario Carolina?

0:21:54.880 --> 0:21:58.320
<v Speaker 2>You know they have a new quarterback next year. They

0:21:58.320 --> 0:22:02.320
<v Speaker 2>have tet going and maybe Jalen Cocher is something you

0:22:02.400 --> 0:22:06.560
<v Speaker 2>bring in. Darien Mensa or somebody to this team and

0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:09.080
<v Speaker 2>watch them go bring in Leonora Sellers. You know what

0:22:09.080 --> 0:22:09.280
<v Speaker 2>I mean.

0:22:09.560 --> 0:22:12.360
<v Speaker 1>Next class, would you trade a twenty twenty seven second

0:22:12.520 --> 0:22:15.240
<v Speaker 1>for sharbone if you're a team that's looking at the future.

0:22:16.480 --> 0:22:19.159
<v Speaker 2>If I'm pretty sure I'm a contender, I would do that.

0:22:19.240 --> 0:22:21.439
<v Speaker 2>If I'm rebuilding, I think I might hold out and

0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:25.760
<v Speaker 2>see what happens with sharbon A. And because there are

0:22:25.760 --> 0:22:28.040
<v Speaker 2>some good backs in this class as well.

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<v Speaker 2>US, Jordan Mason. And this is this might be a

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<v Speaker 2>point of contention between Welsh and I because I've never

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<v Speaker 2>been in on Jordan Mason. And you know he's drafted

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<v Speaker 2>by the Niners. Welsh liked him all that stuff and

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<v Speaker 2>got traded, Welsh being a Niners fan here. But uh, look,

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<v Speaker 2>he had a shot to take this job last year. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I will granted all this stuff I just said about

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<v Speaker 2>Kyler Murray, you know, and him, he's going to look

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<v Speaker 2>better than what they had last year, right because they

0:24:52.000 --> 0:24:53.680
<v Speaker 2>had a guy that wasn't ready, a broken guy and

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<v Speaker 2>a guy that will never be ready at quarterback last year,

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<v Speaker 2>so he faced I believe I looked this up BEFO.

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<v Speaker 2>It was the most eight men in the box for

0:25:03.119 --> 0:25:07.680
<v Speaker 2>the Vikings since KOs took over, right, obviously, because the

0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:09.879
<v Speaker 2>passing game wasn't working, so you stack more guys in

0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:12.119
<v Speaker 2>the box. So let's just say he didn't get a

0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:15.000
<v Speaker 2>fair shake last year? Right, is he going to get

0:25:15.040 --> 0:25:18.000
<v Speaker 2>one this year? There was some nice Fantasy Points numbers

0:25:18.040 --> 0:25:22.040
<v Speaker 2>on him. Thirteenth in explosive run percentage, ten and success rate,

0:25:22.359 --> 0:25:26.280
<v Speaker 2>eighteenth in stuff percentage, and eleventh to miss tackles force

0:25:26.359 --> 0:25:29.680
<v Speaker 2>per attempt. Those are pretty good. But he is a

0:25:29.720 --> 0:25:33.159
<v Speaker 2>one dimensional runner anyway you cut this right. He is

0:25:33.240 --> 0:25:37.320
<v Speaker 2>not a pass catching back at all. He had twenty five.

0:25:37.680 --> 0:25:41.040
<v Speaker 2>He's had twenty five catches in twenty eight catches in

0:25:41.119 --> 0:25:43.760
<v Speaker 2>four seasons as a pro, and he had twenty four

0:25:44.320 --> 0:25:47.800
<v Speaker 2>as a collegiate athlete, a collegiate running back as well.

0:25:48.040 --> 0:25:52.680
<v Speaker 2>So you just take him off the field at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>So what are you getting? Maybe the high end I

0:25:57.960 --> 0:26:00.159
<v Speaker 2>think of what you could get from Jordan Mason is

0:26:00.160 --> 0:26:02.600
<v Speaker 2>probably what charbon Ay did last year, which is you

0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:05.879
<v Speaker 2>want him to score twelve touchdowns? But is Jordan Mason

0:26:05.880 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 2>gonna score twelve touchdowns? I don't see that in him,

0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:13.000
<v Speaker 2>you know that. I like dem and Claiborne. Obviously, there's

0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:15.639
<v Speaker 2>been a lot of positivity on him early in camp.

0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:18.640
<v Speaker 2>I know his teammates have called they're taken to calling

0:26:18.720 --> 0:26:22.680
<v Speaker 2>him Lightning, and somebody said it's the closest I've seen

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:25.639
<v Speaker 2>to teleportation in real life, which is all just you know,

0:26:26.359 --> 0:26:29.040
<v Speaker 2>talking up your guys and everything. But I think Claiborne

0:26:29.080 --> 0:26:32.480
<v Speaker 2>fits this offense a little bit better than Jordan Mason does.

0:26:32.600 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 2>I think Jordan Mason's long term outlook in the NFL

0:26:37.080 --> 0:26:39.400
<v Speaker 2>is as a short yardage back, a goal line back,

0:26:39.680 --> 0:26:42.120
<v Speaker 2>something like that. I don't He's definitely not a three

0:26:42.160 --> 0:26:45.399
<v Speaker 2>down back, and I don't think he can sustain being

0:26:45.960 --> 0:26:48.600
<v Speaker 2>a lead back for a team. I think there's just

0:26:48.640 --> 0:26:50.560
<v Speaker 2>too many good backs in the NFL, too many guys

0:26:50.560 --> 0:26:54.919
<v Speaker 2>that are better than him. And whether that is coming

0:26:54.920 --> 0:26:58.240
<v Speaker 2>in after the season or during the season, or if

0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Claiborne beats him out, or if Aaron J. Zones doesn't

0:27:00.760 --> 0:27:04.960
<v Speaker 2>have to fight through hamstring, toe, shoulder and hip issues,

0:27:04.960 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 2>which he might, he is you know old they let

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:10.480
<v Speaker 2>him go and then brought him back. They weren't really

0:27:10.520 --> 0:27:13.240
<v Speaker 2>worried about losing Aaron Jones. I understand that, but he

0:27:13.320 --> 0:27:15.120
<v Speaker 2>is going to be the lead back again to start.

0:27:15.440 --> 0:27:19.320
<v Speaker 2>So I'm just not a Jordan Mason guy. His range

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:21.640
<v Speaker 2>is thirty three to fifty five, and I have him

0:27:21.640 --> 0:27:25.120
<v Speaker 2>at fifty two. His overall ECR is forty five.

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:27.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I just look at him and like some of

0:27:27.840 --> 0:27:30.840
<v Speaker 1>the rankings are like, he's forty five, like you said

0:27:30.920 --> 0:27:35.240
<v Speaker 1>in ECR. Right behind him, Nicholas Singleton, Dylan Samson, Chris Rodriguez,

0:27:35.240 --> 0:27:38.199
<v Speaker 1>Emmett Johnson. You'd like those next four names? All I

0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:40.280
<v Speaker 1>see more upside than with Jordan Mason.

0:27:40.359 --> 0:27:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Give me EMMITTT Johnson, all dang man, give me timms Jampson.

0:27:43.920 --> 0:27:46.040
<v Speaker 1>I like Sampson a lot last year and Judgingon's coming

0:27:46.040 --> 0:27:48.720
<v Speaker 1>off the injury, give me Chris Rodriguez to maybe have

0:27:48.800 --> 0:27:51.400
<v Speaker 1>a good, nice little touchdown run hot and ye scoring

0:27:51.480 --> 0:27:54.280
<v Speaker 1>the season. Like I I it's hard to envision it

0:27:54.320 --> 0:27:57.000
<v Speaker 1>with Mason short term man long term for me.

0:27:57.960 --> 0:28:00.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's just it. It's like, is he good enough

0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 2>to hold off them? He wasn't good enough to hold

0:28:02.520 --> 0:28:05.080
<v Speaker 2>off from them drafting and running back this year. So

0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:08.280
<v Speaker 2>if none of the running backs work this year, work, well,

0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:12.000
<v Speaker 2>they're definitely gonna go after somebody next year. So I

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:14.240
<v Speaker 2>just I don't see it. With Jordan Mason, I never

0:28:14.280 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 2>really have. I kind of always thought he was a

0:28:16.400 --> 0:28:20.199
<v Speaker 2>jag and I think he's gonna prove to be that

0:28:20.280 --> 0:28:20.720
<v Speaker 2>this year.

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we're in agreement on this one. So let's move

0:28:22.960 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 1>to the wide receivers here. First name up, Rashi Rice.

0:28:27.400 --> 0:28:31.359
<v Speaker 1>I actually just did a show with Tom Strachan earlier today.

0:28:31.400 --> 0:28:33.920
<v Speaker 1>It was a redraft episode, not Dynasty, but we talked

0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:36.320
<v Speaker 1>a bit about how ra she Rice is sort of

0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:39.240
<v Speaker 1>a make or break player in drafts this year. So

0:28:39.280 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 1>it's funny for me to then see you put him

0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 1>on this list of polarizing players to rank in Dynasty,

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 1>which basically confirms that, yes, kind of a make or

0:28:46.760 --> 0:28:48.960
<v Speaker 1>break could go in a couple of different directions. Here.

0:28:50.240 --> 0:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>The ECR rank is I believe wide receiver twenty five.

0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:56.200
<v Speaker 1>You got him a bit higher than that.

0:28:56.880 --> 0:28:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I talked about him as a landmine potentially

0:28:59.840 --> 0:29:03.760
<v Speaker 2>for twenty twenty six as well on a show on

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:08.880
<v Speaker 2>the regular NFL channels. So in Dynasty though, I was

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:11.160
<v Speaker 2>surprised to see him as a wide receiver three because

0:29:11.920 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 2>it's just bizarre to me that for this season is

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 2>ECR and twenty twenty six is wide receiver eleven. That's

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:20.520
<v Speaker 2>a wide receiver one. That's your first wide receiver off

0:29:20.520 --> 0:29:22.720
<v Speaker 2>the board. I can't trust this guy to be a

0:29:22.760 --> 0:29:26.200
<v Speaker 2>wide receiver one for my season. He's had injury issues

0:29:26.240 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 2>and obviously off the field issues, but to bury him

0:29:29.320 --> 0:29:34.360
<v Speaker 2>as a wide receiver three, I you know, first in

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.600
<v Speaker 2>YAK per reception fourth, and targets per route run eleventh,

0:29:37.640 --> 0:29:41.560
<v Speaker 2>in receiving yards per game fifteenth and mistackles fourth, force

0:29:41.680 --> 0:29:44.760
<v Speaker 2>per reception fifth, and PPR points per game at eighteen

0:29:44.800 --> 0:29:48.040
<v Speaker 2>point eight. He's a UFA after this year, So maybe

0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:52.080
<v Speaker 2>that is what people are worried about, like the Chief's

0:29:52.080 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 2>not bringing back He's got this off the field stuff.

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:58.400
<v Speaker 2>You know. Okay, but what quarterback can't throw the ball

0:29:58.440 --> 0:30:01.440
<v Speaker 2>short to a guy that makes guys miss and has

0:30:01.480 --> 0:30:04.280
<v Speaker 2>the most YAK per reception. I think he can succeed

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:07.840
<v Speaker 2>in any offense that he's put into. All it is

0:30:07.880 --> 0:30:10.080
<v Speaker 2>with him is staying on the straight and narrow off

0:30:10.080 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 2>the field. If he can do that, then there is

0:30:13.680 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of upside, So I was just surprised to

0:30:16.280 --> 0:30:18.840
<v Speaker 2>see him as a wide receiver three, even if it's

0:30:18.880 --> 0:30:22.800
<v Speaker 2>the first wide receiver three, you know, and not a

0:30:22.800 --> 0:30:25.480
<v Speaker 2>wide receiver two. I think in both instances, I think

0:30:25.520 --> 0:30:28.280
<v Speaker 2>for this season and for Dynasty, he should be a

0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 2>firm wide receiver two. I wouldn't push him down to three,

0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 2>and I also wouldn't push him up to one. So

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:37.479
<v Speaker 2>I just I was kind of surprised both ways on

0:30:37.560 --> 0:30:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Rashi Rice this season. So I'm lower on him in

0:30:40.960 --> 0:30:43.720
<v Speaker 2>the ECR for twenty six and higher in Dynasty. Again.

0:30:43.760 --> 0:30:46.560
<v Speaker 2>Another weird one, which is, I mean, this guy's gonna

0:30:46.560 --> 0:30:48.320
<v Speaker 2>be on the cover of our SEO stuff for sure,

0:30:48.320 --> 0:30:50.480
<v Speaker 2>it's for Shehi Rice. This is a show made to

0:30:50.520 --> 0:30:53.040
<v Speaker 2>talk about Rashi Rice. He is very polarizing.

0:30:53.360 --> 0:30:56.360
<v Speaker 1>When I was talking to tom or earlier on that episode,

0:30:56.400 --> 0:30:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't really considering the Dynasty angle. I was really

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:01.400
<v Speaker 1>just thinking about this year, and I felt pretty strongly

0:31:01.440 --> 0:31:04.240
<v Speaker 1>that I was going to be lower than consensus in

0:31:04.280 --> 0:31:06.800
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty six. I find it harder to rank in

0:31:06.880 --> 0:31:09.160
<v Speaker 1>Dynasty for the reasons you laid out. How do you

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 1>feel about the chiefs in general? As an offense to

0:31:13.720 --> 0:31:17.160
<v Speaker 1>target or not target for your dynasty rosters, because there

0:31:17.200 --> 0:31:19.680
<v Speaker 1>was a time when it was like, Savi, you're worthy

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:21.680
<v Speaker 1>getting pushed I know, your Texas guy, but getting pushed

0:31:21.760 --> 0:31:24.040
<v Speaker 1>up because he's paired with Patrick Mahomes like anybody. You know,

0:31:24.200 --> 0:31:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Clyde Edwards deals didn't pan out.

0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:27.440
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, but you.

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:30.640
<v Speaker 1>Know, people, oh opportunity with the Chiefs. You know, I

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:34.400
<v Speaker 1>mentioned this on the other show too. You listen to

0:31:34.440 --> 0:31:36.680
<v Speaker 1>a lot of these like off season you know, NFL

0:31:36.720 --> 0:31:39.320
<v Speaker 1>head co rankings podcasts from folks in the industry and

0:31:39.320 --> 0:31:41.760
<v Speaker 1>as well, does Andy Reid still have it? You know,

0:31:41.880 --> 0:31:46.080
<v Speaker 1>getting older, offense feels less innovative or is it just

0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:48.800
<v Speaker 1>the up and down the last couple of seasons of

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Mahomes And it's not really Andy Reid's fault. Is it

0:31:51.360 --> 0:31:53.800
<v Speaker 1>the lack of pass catching weapons, which, of course you

0:31:53.840 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 1>know over she Rice can be one of those weapons.

0:31:57.360 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 1>It's just I find it hard to sort of put

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 1>my finger on the pulse of how invested I want

0:32:02.720 --> 0:32:04.840
<v Speaker 1>to be in the Chiefs going forward. Not that I

0:32:04.880 --> 0:32:06.480
<v Speaker 1>don't want to be invested in them, I'm just not

0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 1>quite sure like kind of where they stand in terms

0:32:08.600 --> 0:32:10.400
<v Speaker 1>of the offense, is that I want to get as

0:32:10.400 --> 0:32:13.360
<v Speaker 1>many pieces as I can and what I expect them

0:32:13.400 --> 0:32:15.560
<v Speaker 1>to be long term, because I think there's still a

0:32:15.560 --> 0:32:17.440
<v Speaker 1>world where was she Rice's long term if he gets

0:32:17.440 --> 0:32:18.680
<v Speaker 1>on the straight and arrow, you know, in terms of

0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:21.960
<v Speaker 1>the off field stuff, where he is you know, the

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:25.040
<v Speaker 1>new Travis Kelcey for Mahomes just that wide receiver instead

0:32:25.040 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 1>of tight end for the next six years, and you

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:30.640
<v Speaker 1>are thrilled if you got him at a discount in Dynasty.

0:32:30.680 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 1>But I think there's also a world where, even setting

0:32:32.680 --> 0:32:35.120
<v Speaker 1>aside the off field stuff, which of course does that

0:32:35.320 --> 0:32:38.960
<v Speaker 1>is a huge thing, where maybe the offense has changes

0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.520
<v Speaker 1>and Andy reid uid isn't what he used to be

0:32:41.800 --> 0:32:44.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's just less creative. And I know he said,

0:32:44.080 --> 0:32:45.680
<v Speaker 1>do you think Rice can survive in any offense? It'd

0:32:45.680 --> 0:32:47.000
<v Speaker 1>be good in any offense, but it just looks a

0:32:47.040 --> 0:32:49.400
<v Speaker 1>little different. So how much do you want to be

0:32:49.440 --> 0:32:51.040
<v Speaker 1>invested in Casey in general?

0:32:51.480 --> 0:32:53.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, as long as Mahomes is there, I still

0:32:53.880 --> 0:32:56.440
<v Speaker 2>want to be involved. And I think that I think

0:32:56.480 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 2>we did this in fantasy a little bit. If you

0:32:58.760 --> 0:33:03.440
<v Speaker 2>remember when Brady towards acl right and things weren't going

0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:08.680
<v Speaker 2>the right way for fantasy wise, for Brady and for

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:10.560
<v Speaker 2>the Patriots. I think we did this a little bit.

0:33:10.600 --> 0:33:13.000
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not saying Patrick Mahomes is Tom Brady, but

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:15.160
<v Speaker 2>I am saying that we have done this in the

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 2>past with some of these top upper echelon quarterbacks in

0:33:19.480 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 2>NFL history, or like we've overlooked them and thought, ah,

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:26.440
<v Speaker 2>here's comes the big injury, here comes the slide, and

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:29.080
<v Speaker 2>even you know, maybe Andy Reid has gone all of

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:32.760
<v Speaker 2>that stuff. But I want, you know, I want whatever

0:33:32.800 --> 0:33:35.560
<v Speaker 2>wide receiver is attached to Patrick Mahomes because I've seen

0:33:35.600 --> 0:33:39.840
<v Speaker 2>them be successful. I've seen Travis Kelcey have an enormous career.

0:33:39.840 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 2>We've seen Rachi Rice have monster fantasy seasons. I still

0:33:43.280 --> 0:33:45.680
<v Speaker 2>hold out hope for my guy, Xavier Worthy, not as

0:33:45.760 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 2>much as I had coming in, but I still hold

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:50.800
<v Speaker 2>out hope for Xavier Worthy with that explosive speed, for

0:33:50.840 --> 0:33:53.440
<v Speaker 2>it all to click, because we saw how dangerous Tyreek

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:58.520
<v Speaker 2>Hill was with Patrick Mahomes, right, So I still am

0:33:58.840 --> 0:34:01.720
<v Speaker 2>in there. The town is on thee there will be

0:34:02.520 --> 0:34:05.080
<v Speaker 2>it'll be tough when Andy Reid leaves, and you know

0:34:05.640 --> 0:34:08.759
<v Speaker 2>what has he got left? At most four seasons, you know,

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:12.520
<v Speaker 2>probably less than that I understand that at some point

0:34:12.880 --> 0:34:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Andy Reid is going to be gone during Patrick Mahomes's career.

0:34:16.280 --> 0:34:19.280
<v Speaker 2>I get that, But the town's on the field. Mahomes

0:34:19.320 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 2>is the guy, so I think they'll build a nice

0:34:21.520 --> 0:34:25.480
<v Speaker 2>offense around him. And you know, I don't like the

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:28.319
<v Speaker 2>fact that they have to keep adjusting his salary and

0:34:28.320 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 2>all that stuff to fit the other guys around him.

0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 2>Maybe that'll keep him more lukewarm than I'm expecting. But

0:34:34.560 --> 0:34:37.840
<v Speaker 2>I expect Mahomes to bounce back decently, and I think

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 2>long term, I want this is the opposite, right, I

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:45.280
<v Speaker 2>want Richie Rice in Kansas City with Patrick Mahomes. But again,

0:34:45.920 --> 0:34:48.920
<v Speaker 2>even if he's not a guy that can catch it

0:34:48.960 --> 0:34:52.319
<v Speaker 2>short and run with it, I think can succeed in

0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 2>any offense. So as long as these injuries aren't constant

0:34:57.520 --> 0:34:59.839
<v Speaker 2>with him, I think he's going to be okay. So

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:04.399
<v Speaker 2>but you know, you bake in the off field risk.

0:35:04.440 --> 0:35:07.399
<v Speaker 2>I get that. I'm just I guess I'm not as

0:35:08.160 --> 0:35:10.880
<v Speaker 2>risk averse in that. For Rashi Rights, there's still a

0:35:10.920 --> 0:35:12.960
<v Speaker 2>lot of upside here. Again, can't get him a wide

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:17.360
<v Speaker 2>receiver one his range is nine to thirty seven, right,

0:35:17.760 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 2>So I'm definitely on the high end at sixteen. I

0:35:20.520 --> 0:35:22.279
<v Speaker 2>just can't get him down as wide receiver. Three.

0:35:23.640 --> 0:35:26.160
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<v Speaker 1>Bogman do you want to go to next?

0:35:46.560 --> 0:35:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Let's go to Denzel Boston, another player I'm lower on

0:35:49.600 --> 0:35:52.120
<v Speaker 2>for twenty six but higher on in dynasty obviously, I

0:35:52.120 --> 0:35:54.960
<v Speaker 2>think most people are. But how will the ball be

0:35:55.000 --> 0:35:59.040
<v Speaker 2>distributed in Cleveland? And who is the quarterback? I think

0:35:59.120 --> 0:36:01.600
<v Speaker 2>is going to matter a lot. And I think you know,

0:36:01.719 --> 0:36:05.879
<v Speaker 2>obviously the Browns still have Harold Fannin, but they had

0:36:05.960 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 2>nobody else last year, right, it was him and the

0:36:09.080 --> 0:36:11.839
<v Speaker 2>ghost of Jerry Judy or whatever we want to call

0:36:12.080 --> 0:36:14.600
<v Speaker 2>what he's doing now. It's not being a premier NFL

0:36:14.600 --> 0:36:18.360
<v Speaker 2>wide receiver. I know that. So they bring in Casey Kncepsion,

0:36:18.400 --> 0:36:22.000
<v Speaker 2>they bring in Denzel Boston. I'm guessing Deshaun Watson is

0:36:22.000 --> 0:36:24.359
<v Speaker 2>going to start the year as disgusting as I think

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:26.879
<v Speaker 2>that is. I think he is done. I don't think

0:36:26.880 --> 0:36:29.440
<v Speaker 2>he's the same guy after his Achilles tear and all

0:36:29.440 --> 0:36:31.840
<v Speaker 2>of his off the field problems. I would love to

0:36:31.880 --> 0:36:34.279
<v Speaker 2>see Shador get another shot at this and then you

0:36:34.400 --> 0:36:36.560
<v Speaker 2>go in next year with all of these options in

0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:39.080
<v Speaker 2>the draft. That's what I would do. But we're gonna

0:36:39.080 --> 0:36:41.319
<v Speaker 2>see Shador get it. Look, because he'd been paid so

0:36:41.440 --> 0:36:43.520
<v Speaker 2>much money, they want to at least see a little

0:36:43.520 --> 0:36:46.320
<v Speaker 2>bit of him. How is this ball going to get distributed?

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:49.120
<v Speaker 2>Because everything was going to was funneled to fannin last

0:36:49.200 --> 0:36:54.239
<v Speaker 2>year because they didn't have anybody else, Right, So will

0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 2>Casey kceptsi On step up? Will Denzel Boston step up?

0:36:57.960 --> 0:37:01.160
<v Speaker 2>Who is going to be the main guy in this offense?

0:37:01.280 --> 0:37:03.000
<v Speaker 2>Is still gonna be fan in That is more than

0:37:03.040 --> 0:37:06.160
<v Speaker 2>acceptable to me. He was great. But Denzel Boston, I

0:37:06.160 --> 0:37:10.520
<v Speaker 2>think I think people see the way that he works

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:13.840
<v Speaker 2>and they see some Keon Coleman in there, a tall,

0:37:14.040 --> 0:37:18.319
<v Speaker 2>fast guy you know where there's big swings in this

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:20.279
<v Speaker 2>type of a player, right, But he was seventh in

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.520
<v Speaker 2>PFF receiving great and receiving touchdowns out of one hundred

0:37:23.520 --> 0:37:26.800
<v Speaker 2>and ten qualified wide receivers in college last year third

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:29.359
<v Speaker 2>and contested catch percentage ten for thirteen. He went there

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 2>twenty ninth in yards per route run, sixteenth in a

0:37:32.760 --> 0:37:36.640
<v Speaker 2>dot as well. Concepcian was twenty seventh in the yards

0:37:36.640 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 2>per route run. Pretty good metric that transfers pretty well

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:44.160
<v Speaker 2>to the NFL. But he is hard to rank to

0:37:44.239 --> 0:37:47.600
<v Speaker 2>me because I don't know how the ball is going

0:37:47.640 --> 0:37:50.720
<v Speaker 2>to be distributed here and nobody does. So his ECR

0:37:50.880 --> 0:37:53.680
<v Speaker 2>is forty eight. I have him at thirty six, but

0:37:53.840 --> 0:37:57.000
<v Speaker 2>his range, dude goes from twenty four, and I think

0:37:57.080 --> 0:38:00.239
<v Speaker 2>that's Debro if I'm not mistaken. I think Debro is

0:38:00.280 --> 0:38:02.239
<v Speaker 2>the guy that had him at twenty four and it

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:05.799
<v Speaker 2>goes all the way down to sixty seven. That is

0:38:05.880 --> 0:38:09.799
<v Speaker 2>a massive range, even for a rookie to have. So

0:38:09.880 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 2>there's some real real believers to push him up to

0:38:12.120 --> 0:38:14.880
<v Speaker 2>a low end wide receiver two. I'm pushing him to

0:38:14.920 --> 0:38:16.919
<v Speaker 2>a low end wide receiver three, like on that wide

0:38:16.960 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 2>receiver three four border, and I kind of feel like

0:38:19.360 --> 0:38:21.440
<v Speaker 2>that is me waving the white flag a little bit

0:38:21.640 --> 0:38:24.600
<v Speaker 2>on him. But his ECR is wide receiver forty eight,

0:38:25.200 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 2>So I'm definitely more positive. Maybe I'm being a little

0:38:29.080 --> 0:38:31.560
<v Speaker 2>too Pollyanna, but it might not even be in twenty

0:38:31.600 --> 0:38:34.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty six that he succeeds. It might be when they

0:38:34.239 --> 0:38:38.360
<v Speaker 2>get a better quarterback. Maybe Sanders doesn't work out, maybe Watson.

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:40.839
<v Speaker 2>They don't figure anything out this year and they take

0:38:40.880 --> 0:38:44.040
<v Speaker 2>somebody else, then how is the ball going to be distributed? Right?

0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:47.239
<v Speaker 2>So there are It seems to me that there are

0:38:47.440 --> 0:38:50.840
<v Speaker 2>so many ranges of outcomes for every pass catcher in

0:38:50.920 --> 0:38:53.680
<v Speaker 2>this offense that it makes him a little more difficult

0:38:53.719 --> 0:38:54.319
<v Speaker 2>for me to rank.

0:38:55.200 --> 0:38:57.120
<v Speaker 1>Debro is the high man. I just looked it up.

0:38:57.160 --> 0:39:01.040
<v Speaker 1>All your talking he is having currently Maybe that's not updated,

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:03.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but he currently has him wide receiver

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 1>twenty four, so.

0:39:04.760 --> 0:39:07.799
<v Speaker 2>Buying in probably higher than he has conceptsi on then,

0:39:07.920 --> 0:39:10.680
<v Speaker 2>and I think feel like there are camps building right

0:39:10.800 --> 0:39:13.600
<v Speaker 2>like Conceptcion is maybe more of a play guy. Maybe

0:39:13.640 --> 0:39:16.799
<v Speaker 2>that's what we're thinking. I talked to Tara today in

0:39:16.880 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 2>a Q and A. She seems to think that Casey

0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Conceptscian is more of the possession guy. That's kind of

0:39:22.680 --> 0:39:25.279
<v Speaker 2>how I see him as well, with big play upside.

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:27.759
<v Speaker 2>But I think Boston can succeed as well. I'm a

0:39:27.800 --> 0:39:30.600
<v Speaker 2>little fearful that this takes away from Fannin. Do you

0:39:30.640 --> 0:39:33.120
<v Speaker 2>think it takes away from Fannin or do you think

0:39:33.120 --> 0:39:35.160
<v Speaker 2>it's no, we know what we have in Fannon, so

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:36.560
<v Speaker 2>let's get the ball to him.

0:39:36.840 --> 0:39:39.719
<v Speaker 1>It's a good question. I just think when I look

0:39:39.719 --> 0:39:43.759
<v Speaker 1>at this receiving room in general, it's like it's a

0:39:43.800 --> 0:39:47.200
<v Speaker 1>new offense, you know, first time head coach Todd Munkin.

0:39:47.760 --> 0:39:49.680
<v Speaker 1>We don't know what the long term quarterback allocy is.

0:39:49.719 --> 0:39:52.480
<v Speaker 1>They're probably gonna give you to her chance, right obviously,

0:39:52.560 --> 0:39:55.840
<v Speaker 1>but like maybe Shaun Watson's getting Like also, if you

0:39:55.840 --> 0:40:00.640
<v Speaker 1>just said about the quarterback situation and from mouths to

0:40:00.640 --> 0:40:05.440
<v Speaker 1>feed right, two guys drafted inside the top forty plus

0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:07.279
<v Speaker 1>a tight end that just broke out last year. So

0:40:07.280 --> 0:40:09.319
<v Speaker 1>it's like, it's not that I see it as any

0:40:09.400 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 1>one like, oh, this makes it worse for Fannin or whatever.

0:40:12.719 --> 0:40:14.560
<v Speaker 1>It's just for all the pass catchers that you would

0:40:14.600 --> 0:40:19.680
<v Speaker 1>consider fantasy relevant, dynasty relevant, and on this team, it's

0:40:19.800 --> 0:40:22.120
<v Speaker 1>just like there's there's not just one question mark, right,

0:40:22.120 --> 0:40:24.319
<v Speaker 1>It's not just the quarterback. It's not just that good.

0:40:24.360 --> 0:40:26.480
<v Speaker 1>It's just a lot of question marks, So that makes

0:40:26.520 --> 0:40:29.160
<v Speaker 1>it hard to feel like it's easy to invest in

0:40:29.200 --> 0:40:31.120
<v Speaker 1>any of them. Not that you shouldn't invest in any

0:40:31.120 --> 0:40:32.520
<v Speaker 1>of them, but that it makes it, I think more

0:40:32.520 --> 0:40:35.319
<v Speaker 1>difficult to try and play whack a mole with who

0:40:35.360 --> 0:40:36.880
<v Speaker 1>the right investment is at cost.

0:40:37.719 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 2>And it might be that on a week to week

0:40:39.200 --> 0:40:43.440
<v Speaker 2>basis as well, specifically with those two stud wide receivers

0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:46.280
<v Speaker 2>being rookies and one of them can float to the top,

0:40:46.719 --> 0:40:50.000
<v Speaker 2>one of them could not work out. It's it's it's

0:40:50.040 --> 0:40:51.240
<v Speaker 2>gonna be a long season in Cleveland.

0:40:51.320 --> 0:40:54.760
<v Speaker 1>We know that I think Fannin will get his opportuity,

0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:57.120
<v Speaker 1>like I think they will. They know what that they

0:40:57.120 --> 0:40:59.440
<v Speaker 1>found something with him last year and got lucky that

0:40:59.480 --> 0:41:02.120
<v Speaker 1>they got him third round, and we'll kind of continue

0:41:02.160 --> 0:41:04.840
<v Speaker 1>to take advantage of him breaking out last year. Is

0:41:04.920 --> 0:41:07.399
<v Speaker 1>my guess, you ever know. I mean again, this isn't

0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 1>the head coach that drafted him, right, this is you know.

0:41:10.160 --> 0:41:13.440
<v Speaker 1>So it's hard to say for sure, but my guess

0:41:13.840 --> 0:41:17.160
<v Speaker 1>is that he'll be fine. And it's about Boston versus

0:41:17.160 --> 0:41:20.360
<v Speaker 1>CONCEPTSIO and for who can get the those other targets.

0:41:21.960 --> 0:41:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Let's go to your last receiver here. Earlier, I said,

0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:27.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't think there's a player with more on field

0:41:27.760 --> 0:41:29.160
<v Speaker 1>wider range of outcomes than.

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:30.839
<v Speaker 2>You stole it. I was gonna steal it back.

0:41:30.880 --> 0:41:32.360
<v Speaker 1>This guy might be the way. I didn't want to

0:41:32.360 --> 0:41:35.640
<v Speaker 1>spoil it by saying this, but I think Travis Hunter

0:41:35.800 --> 0:41:36.880
<v Speaker 1>might have a wider range.

0:41:37.560 --> 0:41:40.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, honestly, what is the plan here? Right? Like

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:44.279
<v Speaker 2>his ECRs wide receiver fifty five, I mean I have

0:41:44.360 --> 0:41:47.799
<v Speaker 2>him in the seventies. His range is twenty five to

0:41:48.000 --> 0:41:51.200
<v Speaker 2>ninety one. I had no idea who would put him

0:41:51.239 --> 0:41:54.040
<v Speaker 2>up at twenty five. There's three guys in front of

0:41:54.080 --> 0:41:58.120
<v Speaker 2>him right now, right it is BTJ, Jacoby Myers, and

0:41:58.200 --> 0:42:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Parker Washington are all in front of him. They're gonna

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:04.319
<v Speaker 2>play more thirteen personnel this year. Obviously they went out

0:42:04.360 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 2>and drafted Porkshire and Cozy All. They extended Brenton Strange, right.

0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:10.839
<v Speaker 2>I think the biggest question in this offense is who

0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:13.279
<v Speaker 2>is going to be the main RB. He's gonna be

0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:16.359
<v Speaker 2>Sea Rod. I expected to be Touton, but Sea Rod

0:42:16.440 --> 0:42:20.759
<v Speaker 2>is in there as well. But Travis Hunter plays on

0:42:20.800 --> 0:42:22.480
<v Speaker 2>the other side of the ball, and he could be

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:27.160
<v Speaker 2>a premier corner. And if you get that from him,

0:42:28.160 --> 0:42:30.360
<v Speaker 2>with the way this roster is built, I think it

0:42:30.440 --> 0:42:32.440
<v Speaker 2>is more important for him to play on the defensive

0:42:32.440 --> 0:42:34.759
<v Speaker 2>side than it is on the receiving side. But my

0:42:34.800 --> 0:42:37.680
<v Speaker 2>whole thought process of Travis Hunter coming in was, this

0:42:37.719 --> 0:42:39.759
<v Speaker 2>is shot con. You know. I don't know if you

0:42:39.800 --> 0:42:43.080
<v Speaker 2>saw the thing about him ghosting Patrick Graham in a

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 2>head coach interview a couple of years ago. But the

0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:51.920
<v Speaker 2>guy owns ecw Right, Like I thought, Okay, you trade

0:42:51.920 --> 0:42:54.360
<v Speaker 2>away picks to go get Travis Hunter to sell Jersey,

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 2>so you're clearly gonna put him on the offensive side. Well,

0:42:56.640 --> 0:42:58.640
<v Speaker 2>then Parker Washington broke out last year they traded for

0:42:58.680 --> 0:43:01.319
<v Speaker 2>Jacobe Myers. All this a sudd worked out. But let's

0:43:01.400 --> 0:43:06.839
<v Speaker 2>just remind you of why he might be. Travis under

0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:09.160
<v Speaker 2>might be the best wide receiver on this roster today.

0:43:09.600 --> 0:43:11.560
<v Speaker 2>When he won his heis been fourth and receptions fifth,

0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:14.160
<v Speaker 2>and receiving yards eighth, in receiving grade eighth and miss

0:43:14.200 --> 0:43:17.680
<v Speaker 2>tackles force twelfth and contesta catch percentage nineteenth in YAK

0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:22.040
<v Speaker 2>in the Nation, playing both ways right, playing both ways

0:43:22.440 --> 0:43:25.600
<v Speaker 2>every game, every play for most of it. I mean,

0:43:25.600 --> 0:43:28.040
<v Speaker 2>this dude was putting up one hundred snaps a game.

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:31.760
<v Speaker 2>It felt like most of the time. So Travis Hunter

0:43:31.960 --> 0:43:36.440
<v Speaker 2>is an elite athlete. He could really do anything he wants,

0:43:36.920 --> 0:43:41.080
<v Speaker 2>and it's just really difficult to know where to put him.

0:43:41.520 --> 0:43:44.399
<v Speaker 2>I just don't think they're playing him on offense much

0:43:44.560 --> 0:43:46.879
<v Speaker 2>this season, And if they don't do it this year,

0:43:47.520 --> 0:43:49.480
<v Speaker 2>how's it going to translate? Because I think wherever you

0:43:49.520 --> 0:43:51.719
<v Speaker 2>put him, he's going to succeed. So if he is

0:43:51.800 --> 0:43:54.720
<v Speaker 2>a corner, I think he's gonna be an elite level corner,

0:43:54.960 --> 0:43:57.200
<v Speaker 2>right Why would you take him out of that spot?

0:43:57.239 --> 0:44:00.160
<v Speaker 2>That's why I'm lower on him. But my god, he

0:44:00.440 --> 0:44:03.840
<v Speaker 2>really could be a stud on offense if that's the

0:44:03.840 --> 0:44:06.719
<v Speaker 2>way they decide that. I just think it's too big

0:44:06.719 --> 0:44:08.319
<v Speaker 2>of an if, and I think he got to keep

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:10.520
<v Speaker 2>him on the defensive side. With all these stud wide

0:44:10.560 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 2>receivers that the Jaguars currently have, we're having a hard

0:44:13.520 --> 0:44:16.680
<v Speaker 2>time ranking Jaguars wide receivers for twenty twenty six because

0:44:17.360 --> 0:44:20.840
<v Speaker 2>it's a bundle of them, don't you know. There's BTJ camps,

0:44:20.840 --> 0:44:24.120
<v Speaker 2>there's Parker Washington camps, and Jacobe Beyer's played more snaps

0:44:24.120 --> 0:44:26.839
<v Speaker 2>in Parker Washington when he got traded and they extended him.

0:44:27.160 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 2>So I this is a hard situation on its face

0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:33.759
<v Speaker 2>to know, but when you dig a little deeper, it

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:36.160
<v Speaker 2>gets even harder. Throwing Travis Hunter into this.

0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:42.080
<v Speaker 1>Mix, it's also like it's so extra tantalizing because the

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:44.719
<v Speaker 1>last game we saw of his was his best game.

0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Fourteen targets, eight catches, hundred one yards and a touchdown

0:44:47.960 --> 0:44:51.920
<v Speaker 1>against the Rams, who were really good. Like that's what

0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:54.239
<v Speaker 1>a lasting memory to then carry you through the rest

0:44:54.239 --> 0:45:00.359
<v Speaker 1>of his rookie season despite the poor start. And I just,

0:45:00.440 --> 0:45:05.120
<v Speaker 1>like I've said this before, I just don't want to

0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:07.279
<v Speaker 1>be the guy riding this roller coaster. I want to

0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:09.200
<v Speaker 1>let somebody else have the headache. I want to let

0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:12.520
<v Speaker 1>somebody else wish on the upside. And the upside is

0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:15.040
<v Speaker 1>obviously there. I mean there were I saw people comp

0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:18.280
<v Speaker 1>him to like a shorter Justin Jefferson when he was coming,

0:45:18.480 --> 0:45:20.799
<v Speaker 1>Like if he was just strictly as a receiver when

0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:23.879
<v Speaker 1>he came into the NFL, like as elite as it gets,

0:45:23.920 --> 0:45:26.719
<v Speaker 1>as an athlete, like you said, but also smooth and

0:45:26.800 --> 0:45:30.760
<v Speaker 1>like a good receiver, not just an athlete at receiver.

0:45:31.080 --> 0:45:33.919
<v Speaker 2>And fluid and really like tracking the ball man.

0:45:33.960 --> 0:45:36.280
<v Speaker 1>And if they just said, if they just said, hey,

0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:38.920
<v Speaker 1>he's the best receiver on the team. We think receivers

0:45:38.920 --> 0:45:41.000
<v Speaker 1>more valuable than the cornerback. Let's just let him be

0:45:41.080 --> 0:45:44.600
<v Speaker 1>a stud there. Like it there. I don't think it's

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:46.279
<v Speaker 1>totally out of the realm of possibility that he would

0:45:46.320 --> 0:45:50.080
<v Speaker 1>be like a wide receiver one that there's so many

0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:51.560
<v Speaker 1>things that would need to happen to get there. It's

0:45:51.600 --> 0:45:56.000
<v Speaker 1>obviously not likely, but like that upside is still in him.

0:45:56.120 --> 0:45:58.080
<v Speaker 1>I think we would all agree and just base Peroly

0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:03.400
<v Speaker 1>on talent. But it seems to the team's roster construction,

0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:05.000
<v Speaker 1>like you said, it would be better for him to

0:46:05.000 --> 0:46:06.280
<v Speaker 1>play on defense.

0:46:06.480 --> 0:46:09.760
<v Speaker 2>And I think we're going to see him succeed there quickly,

0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:13.040
<v Speaker 2>right like very quickly, and that it's gonna be hard

0:46:13.040 --> 0:46:15.920
<v Speaker 2>to pull him off the field. And monterak Brown was

0:46:16.000 --> 0:46:18.759
<v Speaker 2>great last year as well. Look at his PFF grade.

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:22.160
<v Speaker 2>He was awesome last season. So this secondary for Jacksonville

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:25.080
<v Speaker 2>monterak Brown and Travis Hunter, you might have two shutdown corners,

0:46:25.120 --> 0:46:27.680
<v Speaker 2>two lockdown corners if you led him on offense. If

0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 2>you have that, if you.

0:46:30.560 --> 0:46:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Were the one who you know, drafted him in your

0:46:32.440 --> 0:46:34.799
<v Speaker 1>rookie draft with like the fourth overall pick last year.

0:46:36.080 --> 0:46:39.719
<v Speaker 1>And it feels like this a lost asset, would you

0:46:39.840 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 1>rather hold and hope that we see the upside and

0:46:43.239 --> 0:46:44.360
<v Speaker 1>just kind of hope for I don't want to call

0:46:44.360 --> 0:46:47.360
<v Speaker 1>it a miracle, but hope for like a really fortunate outcome,

0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:51.120
<v Speaker 1>or what is the draft pick capital you would sell

0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:52.719
<v Speaker 1>him for and say, let me just get out from

0:46:52.760 --> 0:46:54.200
<v Speaker 1>out of here and at a loss, because it would

0:46:54.200 --> 0:46:54.759
<v Speaker 1>be at a loss.

0:46:54.800 --> 0:46:57.520
<v Speaker 2>Obviously there's variance here as well, because I think that

0:46:58.920 --> 0:47:01.040
<v Speaker 2>the team that trades for Travis Hunter is a team

0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:03.560
<v Speaker 2>that is struggling this year and you're just looking for

0:47:03.600 --> 0:47:05.960
<v Speaker 2>the upside play. You're waiting, you know, a lot, like

0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:08.799
<v Speaker 2>we talked about with Sharbona, someone getting frustrated. This guy

0:47:08.880 --> 0:47:11.600
<v Speaker 2>is on my bench or on my ir and he's

0:47:11.600 --> 0:47:13.359
<v Speaker 2>just eating up an IR spot and I have three

0:47:13.400 --> 0:47:16.080
<v Speaker 2>other guys and I just, you know, let me trade

0:47:16.160 --> 0:47:17.799
<v Speaker 2>him for a third round pick and just get him

0:47:17.840 --> 0:47:19.880
<v Speaker 2>off my roster so I can make this work. I

0:47:19.920 --> 0:47:21.960
<v Speaker 2>think Travis Hunter is one of those guys as well,

0:47:22.120 --> 0:47:26.600
<v Speaker 2>right where if you're rebuilding, trade a third, trade a fourth,

0:47:26.680 --> 0:47:29.480
<v Speaker 2>go get him, you know, see if you can go

0:47:29.480 --> 0:47:32.000
<v Speaker 2>get him. Trade a piece that is not a long

0:47:32.120 --> 0:47:35.640
<v Speaker 2>term option that on your team that is popping, like say,

0:47:35.760 --> 0:47:37.680
<v Speaker 2>let's say Bill crossky Merrit's having a big year and

0:47:37.680 --> 0:47:40.759
<v Speaker 2>he's sitting on your roster. I don't think whatever Bill

0:47:40.800 --> 0:47:42.640
<v Speaker 2>krossky Merrit does, I don't think it's going to be

0:47:42.680 --> 0:47:45.680
<v Speaker 2>earth shattering this year. So trading for Travis Hunter and

0:47:45.880 --> 0:47:48.640
<v Speaker 2>a late pick and see if it works out for you,

0:47:48.640 --> 0:47:51.600
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean? Like that is the team

0:47:51.600 --> 0:47:54.359
<v Speaker 2>that needs to go acquire him. If I'm rostering him,

0:47:55.200 --> 0:47:56.840
<v Speaker 2>Do I want to trade him if I'm winning and

0:47:56.880 --> 0:47:59.719
<v Speaker 2>he's clogging up a spot? Yeah, I would say. But

0:47:59.800 --> 0:48:03.960
<v Speaker 2>the deeper my benches are, the deeper my benches, the

0:48:04.000 --> 0:48:07.719
<v Speaker 2>more you know spots I can hold, the more likely

0:48:07.800 --> 0:48:10.359
<v Speaker 2>I am to keep him. Just to see right, So

0:48:10.800 --> 0:48:13.320
<v Speaker 2>if you if you're in a dynasty with a particularly

0:48:13.320 --> 0:48:16.440
<v Speaker 2>short bench for whatever reason, that is the case where

0:48:16.680 --> 0:48:18.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, if my team is good, I'm probably looking

0:48:18.560 --> 0:48:22.760
<v Speaker 2>to move Travis Hunter. But I think everyone that turns

0:48:22.800 --> 0:48:25.160
<v Speaker 2>into a bottom feet of this year should at least

0:48:25.239 --> 0:48:27.960
<v Speaker 2>be trying to go get Travis Hunter, even if he's

0:48:28.000 --> 0:48:29.600
<v Speaker 2>not playing a lot of wide receiver, because you never

0:48:29.640 --> 0:48:32.719
<v Speaker 2>know what could happen, right, And specifically, if he's not

0:48:32.760 --> 0:48:34.640
<v Speaker 2>traded playing a lot of wide receiver, he's gonna be

0:48:35.160 --> 0:48:38.120
<v Speaker 2>ultra cheap, so that is where I would go get him.

0:48:38.120 --> 0:48:41.240
<v Speaker 2>But like you said, like we've just gone through this,

0:48:41.239 --> 0:48:43.520
<v Speaker 2>this is you know, you could put Rashi Rice or

0:48:43.520 --> 0:48:46.319
<v Speaker 2>Travis Hunter on the cover of this show's art. So

0:48:47.360 --> 0:48:50.320
<v Speaker 2>because these are very, very polarizing guy, it's not surprising

0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:51.440
<v Speaker 2>to see them on a list like this.

0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:54.279
<v Speaker 1>All right, let's wrap things up by talking about your

0:48:54.280 --> 0:48:57.320
<v Speaker 1>favorite tight end here, Bogman, Dalton Kincaid. Why did he

0:48:57.400 --> 0:48:58.120
<v Speaker 1>make the list for you?

0:48:58.480 --> 0:49:00.680
<v Speaker 2>I think because I have to acknowledge the upside of

0:49:00.800 --> 0:49:03.719
<v Speaker 2>Dalton Kinkaid, right, Like, there's been a lot of down

0:49:03.800 --> 0:49:07.200
<v Speaker 2>talk about Dalton Kinkad from me and fits here, but

0:49:07.320 --> 0:49:09.239
<v Speaker 2>we do have to admit that there's a little bit

0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:11.840
<v Speaker 2>of upside here. I still think he's the best receiving

0:49:11.840 --> 0:49:16.080
<v Speaker 2>tight end in Buffalo. If he does truly feel the

0:49:16.120 --> 0:49:19.439
<v Speaker 2>best that he's felt in his NFL career, that would

0:49:19.480 --> 0:49:23.360
<v Speaker 2>be huge for him moving forward. But what we've seen

0:49:23.640 --> 0:49:25.479
<v Speaker 2>is a guy that has not been able to stay

0:49:25.520 --> 0:49:28.520
<v Speaker 2>on the field the last year and a half, right

0:49:28.600 --> 0:49:32.040
<v Speaker 2>since the I think it was Week nine in twenty

0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:35.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty in twenty twenty, for he has not been really

0:49:35.760 --> 0:49:39.279
<v Speaker 2>healthy since then. This PCL injury, which again this offseason

0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:41.839
<v Speaker 2>he decided to not have surgery for and just kind

0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:47.480
<v Speaker 2>of rehabit the same way. I think, you know, the

0:49:47.520 --> 0:49:50.320
<v Speaker 2>way that I see it just could be a little

0:49:50.360 --> 0:49:54.560
<v Speaker 2>flawed because with McDermot done, it's still Joe Brady calling

0:49:54.560 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 2>the plays on offense, right, and they love Jackson Hawes

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:01.719
<v Speaker 2>as a blocker, they really do. And Dawson Knox is

0:50:01.840 --> 0:50:05.600
<v Speaker 2>more complete than Dalton kin Kate is. I think, so

0:50:06.920 --> 0:50:10.239
<v Speaker 2>you know what is Dalton Kin Kate's true role here right?

0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:12.520
<v Speaker 2>Is it to be one of the main pass catchers.

0:50:12.600 --> 0:50:15.960
<v Speaker 2>You added Dj Moore, you added Skyler Bell as well.

0:50:16.200 --> 0:50:19.799
<v Speaker 2>Kean Coleman has not popped yet, So if more and

0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:23.279
<v Speaker 2>Shakir both work, then there might not just be a

0:50:23.320 --> 0:50:25.840
<v Speaker 2>lot for any of the tight ends in Buffalo. But

0:50:25.920 --> 0:50:28.319
<v Speaker 2>if Dj Moore is a little washed, like a lot

0:50:28.400 --> 0:50:31.759
<v Speaker 2>of people are thinking, and Shakiir is not going to

0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:35.520
<v Speaker 2>take another step, Skyler Bell's a rookie, right, is kin

0:50:35.600 --> 0:50:37.640
<v Speaker 2>Kid going to be a major part of this offense.

0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I do think that that is within the realm of possibility,

0:50:40.920 --> 0:50:43.239
<v Speaker 2>and that is what is keeping his ECR high in

0:50:43.360 --> 0:50:47.960
<v Speaker 2>Dynasty Still tight end elevenies tight end one. To most people,

0:50:48.280 --> 0:50:50.520
<v Speaker 2>his range is seven to twenty three. I have him

0:50:50.520 --> 0:50:54.439
<v Speaker 2>at sixteen, so and that's after moving him up because

0:50:54.440 --> 0:50:56.080
<v Speaker 2>I felt like I moved him down a little too

0:50:56.160 --> 0:51:01.799
<v Speaker 2>far earlier this year. So I just I don't know.

0:51:03.080 --> 0:51:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Even in Dynasty, I feel like I give me Brenton

0:51:06.080 --> 0:51:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Strange still over Dalon Kinkaid, maybe even Mark Andrews for

0:51:10.040 --> 0:51:11.440
<v Speaker 2>a couple of years, and then I'll go find in

0:51:11.520 --> 0:51:14.839
<v Speaker 2>the tight end later. I just don't know. I don't

0:51:14.840 --> 0:51:18.640
<v Speaker 2>know what Kinkaid is going to be. You know, he's

0:51:18.640 --> 0:51:22.560
<v Speaker 2>going to turn twenty seven this season. He's had injury issues,

0:51:23.080 --> 0:51:25.600
<v Speaker 2>he hasn't been a major factor in this offense for

0:51:25.640 --> 0:51:27.680
<v Speaker 2>a year and a half, and he played in over

0:51:27.719 --> 0:51:31.200
<v Speaker 2>fifty percent of snaps in four games last year. It's

0:51:31.239 --> 0:51:33.120
<v Speaker 2>just not getting it done. That's definitely not tight end

0:51:33.120 --> 0:51:35.319
<v Speaker 2>one territory. I would say that it's still in there

0:51:36.120 --> 0:51:38.400
<v Speaker 2>if he is healthy, but I don't know if I

0:51:38.480 --> 0:51:41.080
<v Speaker 2>buy that he feels as healthy as he has without

0:51:41.120 --> 0:51:44.239
<v Speaker 2>surgery for this PCL injury that's dogged him for a

0:51:44.320 --> 0:51:44.920
<v Speaker 2>year and a half.

0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:49.040
<v Speaker 1>The only pushback I would give is like, does it

0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:51.239
<v Speaker 1>feel right that dog Kinkaid is ranked as a tight

0:51:51.320 --> 0:51:55.040
<v Speaker 1>end one. No, but you get past the top eight

0:51:55.160 --> 0:51:57.200
<v Speaker 1>and I'm not sure who is supposed to be there

0:51:57.840 --> 0:52:02.960
<v Speaker 1>A good point, pretty locked down in in my opinion, Bowers, McBride, Loveland,

0:52:02.960 --> 0:52:05.040
<v Speaker 1>Warren Kraft fan in the port of Pits, quibble with

0:52:05.040 --> 0:52:06.480
<v Speaker 1>the order. All you want to me, those are the

0:52:06.520 --> 0:52:09.960
<v Speaker 1>clear eight names. Then it's like just an ECR. I'm

0:52:09.960 --> 0:52:12.680
<v Speaker 1>looking at Kenyan, Sadik, Eli Stowers are nine to ten.

0:52:12.760 --> 0:52:14.640
<v Speaker 1>We've never seen them play a snap and they're both

0:52:14.719 --> 0:52:16.560
<v Speaker 1>in you know, we don't know what their situation is

0:52:16.560 --> 0:52:18.440
<v Speaker 1>going to look like. Stours with the tight who's in

0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:20.920
<v Speaker 1>the tight end room? Sadik, what the quarterback is long term?

0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:24.799
<v Speaker 1>Kinkaid at eleven, Ronda Gadsden, who had a really hot

0:52:24.840 --> 0:52:26.799
<v Speaker 1>month and has pretty much done nothing else as a

0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:27.680
<v Speaker 1>fifth round rookie.

0:52:27.880 --> 0:52:29.759
<v Speaker 2>I got at twelve and still so.

0:52:30.080 --> 0:52:32.160
<v Speaker 1>I mean Isaiah Likely, who I love and have talked

0:52:32.200 --> 0:52:34.960
<v Speaker 1>up a lot, But like you know, I don't know

0:52:35.000 --> 0:52:36.520
<v Speaker 1>what the offense is going to look like in New

0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:38.439
<v Speaker 1>York this year. I think there's a lot of question

0:52:38.480 --> 0:52:41.080
<v Speaker 1>marks there and he's never been a number one guy before. Kittle,

0:52:41.120 --> 0:52:43.960
<v Speaker 1>who's older and coming off the knee injury. You know, ferguson,

0:52:44.000 --> 0:52:47.480
<v Speaker 1>how much upside is there? Strange, You already mentioned Chicka Kokuo,

0:52:47.560 --> 0:52:48.840
<v Speaker 1>I like a lot. He hasn't done it. We're not

0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:51.120
<v Speaker 1>getting down to like tight end seventeen. It's had an eighteen.

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:54.279
<v Speaker 1>Is Mark Andrews, who's older. The point is, I don't

0:52:54.320 --> 0:52:57.279
<v Speaker 1>think there's a very obvious tight end nine. So if

0:52:57.280 --> 0:52:59.720
<v Speaker 1>somebody wants to have Kinkaid in that nine ten eleven range,

0:52:59.760 --> 0:53:01.880
<v Speaker 1>I think I think it's okay. But that's more because

0:53:02.160 --> 0:53:04.960
<v Speaker 1>there's so much uncertainty with the guys outside the top

0:53:05.080 --> 0:53:07.560
<v Speaker 1>eight than it is me wanting to plant my flag

0:53:07.600 --> 0:53:08.200
<v Speaker 1>on Kinkaid.

0:53:08.760 --> 0:53:13.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I have likely Sours, Sadik Kittle, Strange Andrews Ferguson,

0:53:13.239 --> 0:53:15.640
<v Speaker 2>those are the guys that I have ahead of him, right,

0:53:15.880 --> 0:53:19.600
<v Speaker 2>But I have the guys in the tier above are

0:53:19.680 --> 0:53:22.680
<v Speaker 2>only likely Sours and Sadiq, And that is witsh casting

0:53:22.800 --> 0:53:26.080
<v Speaker 2>on the rookies, right. We know tight ends are really

0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:29.160
<v Speaker 2>finicky and where they work. You know, I would have

0:53:29.160 --> 0:53:32.080
<v Speaker 2>had if Ben Sinnett was coming out in twenty twenty

0:53:32.400 --> 0:53:34.799
<v Speaker 2>six here, I would have had Senate ahead of him

0:53:34.840 --> 0:53:37.120
<v Speaker 2>as well, and he has not worked out at all, right,

0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:39.880
<v Speaker 2>I Gunnery Helm probably would have been close to that

0:53:39.880 --> 0:53:41.560
<v Speaker 2>as well, and Gunnar helm Saw has a chance to

0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:44.520
<v Speaker 2>easily surpass him. I might be too low on him

0:53:44.600 --> 0:53:49.120
<v Speaker 2>and Delp right, So you know Aj Barner, you know

0:53:49.239 --> 0:53:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Fitz is the biggest Terrence Ferguson fan.

0:53:51.600 --> 0:53:54.880
<v Speaker 1>We know all these guys maybe equals by me. We

0:53:55.400 --> 0:53:57.840
<v Speaker 1>talked about every time we do one of our streams

0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:00.480
<v Speaker 1>when it's just the two of us. I love Ferguson

0:54:00.520 --> 0:54:02.400
<v Speaker 1>to fits my likeing more, but I like him a

0:54:02.440 --> 0:54:06.040
<v Speaker 1>lot too, I would say Bogman like in just looking

0:54:06.080 --> 0:54:09.600
<v Speaker 1>at this exercise and thinking about Kinkaid's ranking, like, I

0:54:09.640 --> 0:54:11.200
<v Speaker 1>really do feel like if I was in a startup

0:54:11.280 --> 0:54:13.520
<v Speaker 1>right now, I want to get one of those first eight,

0:54:13.640 --> 0:54:14.920
<v Speaker 1>or I want to wait and take a swing on

0:54:15.000 --> 0:54:18.400
<v Speaker 1>like a terrace Ferguson or a position I need or

0:54:18.480 --> 0:54:20.480
<v Speaker 1>take like you know, a late round Mark Andrews in

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:22.040
<v Speaker 1>a dynasty startup because of the age and just say

0:54:22.080 --> 0:54:23.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to address this position next year.

0:54:23.800 --> 0:54:27.279
<v Speaker 2>Take a book, take Andrew Ferguson and this year and

0:54:27.320 --> 0:54:28.240
<v Speaker 2>Ferguson for the future.

0:54:28.280 --> 0:54:30.879
<v Speaker 1>Absolutely not want somebody who's currently in tier three at

0:54:30.880 --> 0:54:33.279
<v Speaker 1>the position. It's just it's not appealing to me in

0:54:33.320 --> 0:54:34.080
<v Speaker 1>a startup draft.

0:54:34.360 --> 0:54:37.319
<v Speaker 2>Agreed. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm with you, so you know it,

0:54:37.520 --> 0:54:41.360
<v Speaker 2>uh we I I understand the upside for Kincaid and

0:54:41.400 --> 0:54:43.560
<v Speaker 2>like I said, that's why I put him here because

0:54:43.840 --> 0:54:46.719
<v Speaker 2>I've also had him on you know, hate shows. Uh,

0:54:46.960 --> 0:54:50.120
<v Speaker 2>but I do have to acknowledge there is still upside

0:54:50.160 --> 0:54:53.160
<v Speaker 2>for Don Kinkaid, and as you mentioned, after the top eight,

0:54:53.160 --> 0:54:56.160
<v Speaker 2>it does get real hairy. It's very very opinion based

0:54:56.520 --> 0:54:57.040
<v Speaker 2>at that point.

0:54:57.120 --> 0:55:00.239
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So yeah, the players we struggle to rank that

0:55:00.280 --> 0:55:03.600
<v Speaker 1>could have been the six different tight ends in this

0:55:04.280 --> 0:55:06.799
<v Speaker 1>like that are it's a struggle to rank. So I

0:55:06.840 --> 0:55:07.920
<v Speaker 1>think that's yes to it.

0:55:08.520 --> 0:55:12.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, So, yeah, those are those are my guys

0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:14.239
<v Speaker 2>that I've had a tough time with.

0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:17.200
<v Speaker 1>I would say we'll go ahead and wrap things up there.

0:55:17.239 --> 0:55:19.960
<v Speaker 1>Thanks everybody for checking out the polarizing players we struggle

0:55:20.040 --> 0:55:22.719
<v Speaker 1>to rank. For Bogman and for Fits who's hopefully having

0:55:22.719 --> 0:55:25.120
<v Speaker 1>a great time again right now, I'm Ryan warmly. Thanks

0:55:25.120 --> 0:55:27.879
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