Speaker 1: Hello everybody, Welcome to the Fantasy Pros Dynasty Football Podcast,
Speaker 1: brought to you by League Tycoon, the Dynasty first dannasy
Speaker 1: football platform. I'm Ryan, warmly joined by Scott Bogman. Just
Speaker 1: Scott Bogman this week because our friend and colleague Pat
Speaker 1: fitz Morris is probably a few beers deep in Canton,
Speaker 1: Ohio at the Fantasy Football Exfo with our colleagues. I
Speaker 1: wish I could be there this year. It's been a
Speaker 1: couple of years since I was there. Actually, super fun
Speaker 1: time the one time I went hanging out with friends, fans,
Speaker 1: people in the industry, and of course our colleagues. We
Speaker 1: have quite a few Fantasy Pros folks there. Wish I
Speaker 1: could join them. Didn't work out this year, but we're
Speaker 1: carrying on the Dynasty show without fits for just a
Speaker 1: week here. Paus jealous.
Speaker 2: I'm jealous too, So wish we could be a couple
Speaker 2: of beers deep. But hey, talking some football. Not a
Speaker 2: bad runners up prize. We'll take that.
Speaker 1: We will certainly take it. We're talking some football, some
Speaker 1: polarizing players we struggle to rank. This is in Dynasty,
Speaker 1: of course, as a reminder, all of our twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six consensus rankings and tiers can be found at fantasypros
Speaker 1: dot com slash rankings. You can navigate to our Dynasty
Speaker 1: rankings from there as well. Bogman, you put together eight
Speaker 1: names for us here today. We've got quarterbacks, we've got
Speaker 1: running backs, we've got wide receivers, and we've even got
Speaker 1: a tight end. At the end of the show, I
Speaker 1: say we dive right in here with the quarterbacks. Now,
Speaker 1: just quickly, with the two quarterbacks that you put together,
Speaker 1: is it struggling to rank them in general? Is it
Speaker 1: specifically in super flex versus one QB format in Dynasty,
Speaker 1: or just kind of in general you struggle to rank
Speaker 1: these two.
Speaker 2: I think with all the players that'll pick today, it's
Speaker 2: that they offer an immense ceiling and an immense floor.
Speaker 2: So it's really just hard on where to rank them.
Speaker 2: The two guys in particular at quarterback that I have
Speaker 2: would only be hard to rank in super flex and
Speaker 2: not really hard to rank in a one QB league
Speaker 2: because they're not in the top twelve qbs for the
Speaker 2: most part, the top the QB ones. You'd have to
Speaker 2: be a very deep league to get these guys in
Speaker 2: a QB one. So for me, it's really guys that
Speaker 2: offer a wide range of outcomes in my opinion. You know,
Speaker 2: obviously some of those opinions will be mistaken by the
Speaker 2: end of this season or in the future. In Dynasty,
Speaker 2: it's you're not talking, you know, you talk about four
Speaker 2: year windows on one day, three year windows on one day,
Speaker 2: however you want to say it. But yeah, I think
Speaker 2: that's just kind of my thing with all of these players.
Speaker 2: Some of them I'm high on, some of them I'm
Speaker 2: low on. And with the quarterbacks, I got one in
Speaker 2: each category here.
Speaker 1: First up, we'll talk about Malik Willis. He is quarterback
Speaker 1: twenty four in ECR, twenty seven years old. You know,
Speaker 1: gonna give his first chance to be a starter kind
Speaker 1: of at a later age. We obviously know what the
Speaker 1: rushing ability is, you know, pretty much at the highest
Speaker 1: level you can possibly have, like just shy if prime Lamar.
Speaker 1: I mean, his legs really are special. But will he
Speaker 1: get the opportunity to be a long term starter to
Speaker 1: show off that rushing ability. Will he be able to
Speaker 1: throw to anybody in Miami this year besides your boy
Speaker 1: Chris Bell. So again, QB twenty four right at the
Speaker 1: back end of that super flex starting range, you know,
Speaker 1: very back end of you know, not even closest starting
Speaker 1: if you're going based on that ranking in a one
Speaker 1: QB league. Where is he ranked for you? And why
Speaker 1: does he make this list for you?
Speaker 2: I am at seventeen. His range, I think from the
Speaker 2: ECR that I saw on Dynasty is sixteen to thirty four.
Speaker 2: So I'm definitely on the high end having him at
Speaker 2: seventeen here, And it's the rushing upside that that makes
Speaker 2: me want to keep a guy like Malik willis ranked
Speaker 2: this high, you know, at Liberty in two seasons, and
Speaker 2: it's Liberty, it's a smaller school, but twenty two, one
Speaker 2: hundred and sixty three yards, twenty seven rushing touchdowns. You know,
Speaker 2: obviously had a cup of coffee at with a couple
Speaker 2: of starts for Jordan Love and he's looked good in those,
Speaker 2: So you go to Miami. But Miami is a much
Speaker 2: different situation, obviously, specifically with the talent around him, there's
Speaker 2: really good quarterback. We should have improvements on the on
Speaker 2: line last year, which was a disaster in twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: so we should see some improvements. But the wide receivers
Speaker 2: stink out loud. I mean, I don't know how else
Speaker 2: to say it. They are not good, right, It's a
Speaker 2: it's the island of misfit toys here. So the potential
Speaker 2: upside for Malik Willis this season is capped, and it's
Speaker 2: tough to be capped this year because you and I
Speaker 2: and fits have been talking about the immense twenty twenty
Speaker 2: seven quarterback draft class. Right, so if you don't show
Speaker 2: that you are definitely the guy this year, then you
Speaker 2: could be replaced. But it cuts both ways because if
Speaker 2: you show you are definitely the guy this year, there's
Speaker 2: some really good wide receivers that ay be on the
Speaker 2: board for this team to pick. They have ninety nine
Speaker 2: million dollars in cap space, which I believe is third
Speaker 2: most as it stands today for twenty twenty seven. So
Speaker 2: you can spend some money on some pieces to help
Speaker 2: Malik Willis, whether be on the offensive line or at
Speaker 2: wide receivers. And if you are keeping him beyond this year,
Speaker 2: so many picks coming out. I like the upside for
Speaker 2: a guy like Chris Bell, specifically if he's a number
Speaker 2: two in this in this offense, I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: for him for fantasy wise, it'd be better if he's
Speaker 2: a number one, but I don't think that. I don't
Speaker 2: think Chris Bell has that in him. I think he's
Speaker 2: probably a number two. He could be a high end
Speaker 2: number two for fantasy. But I think that it just
Speaker 2: just cuts both ways, so largely for him, because it's
Speaker 2: easy to get out of this contract for him. He
Speaker 2: is after twenty twenty seven. He is easily dumpable, right,
Speaker 2: not not a large contract, So it's this year and
Speaker 2: next year. But if you look bad this year and
Speaker 2: you're not being set up for success either right, rough
Speaker 2: offensive line, rough wide receivers, you're gonna have to show
Speaker 2: it with your legs. You're gonna have to not turn
Speaker 2: the ball over as much as we expect, maybe only
Speaker 2: in those scenarios where you know you're trying to play
Speaker 2: from behind him catch up. That's when you throw your picks.
Speaker 2: Even if it's a lot of picks. We can handle those.
Speaker 2: But if you're making mistakes early in the game in
Speaker 2: the middle of the game constantly, you're not going to
Speaker 2: keep this job. So I just think there's such a
Speaker 2: wide range of outcomes for Malik Willis, But the rushing
Speaker 2: upside makes me want to keep him pretty high. In
Speaker 2: my ranking, So I'm gonna I do believe in Malik Willis,
Speaker 2: but it does make me a little queasy to be
Speaker 2: one of the higher rankers on him knowing that the
Speaker 2: floor could drop out.
Speaker 1: Well, I do think that on field, right, because there's
Speaker 1: there are other guys who have a wide range of
Speaker 1: outcomes due to injury or off the field issues stuff
Speaker 1: like that. On field only, I don't think there's a
Speaker 1: player on your list that has a wider range of
Speaker 1: potential outcomes in terms of dynasty value because the upside
Speaker 1: genuinely is like a top three quarterback in fantasy, which
Speaker 1: sounds insane because he is nowhere near that as a
Speaker 1: real life quarterback. But if he is truly as special
Speaker 1: as he has looked as a runner, that is just
Speaker 1: such a cheat code where it does not matter if
Speaker 1: the passing isn't By the way, the passing is pretty
Speaker 1: good at times in flashes last season, but the running
Speaker 1: is that special. Like if you guaranteed me health. For
Speaker 1: every quarterback in the NFL this season, there's like maybe
Speaker 1: four guys that I would say, okay, I expect them
Speaker 1: to generate more fantasy value from their legs than Elik Willis.
Speaker 1: And two of them are Alan and Hurts, which is
Speaker 1: only because of the touchdowns that they're gonna bring. But
Speaker 1: in terms of like the yardage and the explosive plays
Speaker 1: and then possibly also touchdowns. For willis from his legs
Speaker 1: that is going to carry him when he ever every
Speaker 1: game that he has the opportunity to be the starter
Speaker 1: so far it raises both the ceiling and the floor.
Speaker 1: And yet this time next year he might be a backup.
Speaker 1: Like so, it is just the most remarkably wide range
Speaker 1: of outcomes for him, I think is a perfect option
Speaker 1: for this list. You know, we call it polarizing players
Speaker 1: to rank. You have ranked him on the high end,
Speaker 1: but still, you know, relative to that range, still hard
Speaker 1: to get, you know, kind of really put your finger
Speaker 1: on it, I think, and feel confident about it, honestly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, he is, like you said, just a
Speaker 2: wide range of outcomes. But it's those legs, man. The
Speaker 2: legs just give us so much for fantasy, and that
Speaker 2: is what I'm banking on. So and he should with
Speaker 2: a bad O line and tough wide receivers, you should
Speaker 2: have plenty of opportunities to run, which you know also
Speaker 2: increases chance of injuries. So wide range of outcomes for
Speaker 2: Malik Willis, but give me the upside, man, that's what
Speaker 2: we want in fantasy.
Speaker 1: And if you want to lean on the more optimistic
Speaker 1: end of that ranking long term, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: it's worth remembering that this was you know, front office
Speaker 1: and head coach that just saw him every day in
Speaker 1: practice and decided that that was the guy they wanted
Speaker 1: to bring with them to Miami. And part of that
Speaker 1: is there are not a ton of options out there
Speaker 1: for a starting quarterback and free agency every year. But like,
Speaker 1: if they didn't think he had it in him, I
Speaker 1: don't think they would have given him twenty million dollars
Speaker 1: a year. So right, that carries some weight with me,
Speaker 1: even if it's not the only thing that matters.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree.
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Speaker 1: who's your other quarterback you want to talk about?
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Kyler Murray right in Minnesota because this
Speaker 2: is such a great opportunity for Kyler Murray. But is
Speaker 2: Kyler is still good enough to keep this job? And
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that I
Speaker 2: think JJ McCarthy is going to win this job, right.
Speaker 2: I know they're calling it a competition. I'm throwing up
Speaker 2: air quotes in uh, you know, in camp and everything.
Speaker 2: It ain't gonna go that long. I think even KOs
Speaker 2: even said it shouldn't be too long before Murray is
Speaker 2: the guy, and so I'm not saying that McCarthy is
Speaker 2: an option for this year. But I'm also not very
Speaker 2: convinced that they're completely done with McCarthy. I don't think
Speaker 2: the KOC is. So I do think that Murray is
Speaker 2: gonna have to impress this season. Can he do that? Absolutely?
Speaker 2: I mean, the KOC has been known as a quarterback
Speaker 2: miracle worker, and if Kyler Murray is good this year,
Speaker 2: they won't possibly let another quarterback walk like they did
Speaker 2: Sam Donald. He cannot do it again, right, So maybe
Speaker 2: it plays a little more in his favor, But I
Speaker 2: just don't know. I think that I think that it's
Speaker 2: probably the starting quarterback of the Vikings in twenty twenty seven,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, is probably either gonna be McCarthy or
Speaker 2: a draft pick, right, and we'll see. I'm just not
Speaker 2: convinced that Murray is good enough to hold this job
Speaker 2: long term. Last season he was okay, right, but I
Speaker 2: think he was QB eighteen in points per game in
Speaker 2: only five games. He's missed big chunks of the last
Speaker 2: two seasons. Now there's a little weirdness of that too,
Speaker 2: which again makes this dude hard to rank in my opinion.
Speaker 2: You know, when he was shut down after five games
Speaker 2: because of a foot injury, was that more because the
Speaker 2: Cardinals were done with him and they didn't want him
Speaker 2: to get hurt again and then have to pay the
Speaker 2: insurance and all of that stuff. We heard that narrative
Speaker 2: going around a lot of people thought Jacoby Prisett was
Speaker 2: just playing better and that the locker room liked Jacoby better, right,
Speaker 2: And then there was even you know, after they fired
Speaker 2: Gannon and we're looking for coaches, they were even considering
Speaker 2: bringing him back. They said they're definitely gonna trade him
Speaker 2: and all of this nonsense before he ended up getting waived.
Speaker 2: So I he has an opportunity here. I think the
Speaker 2: legs are they're not gone, but they're not the danger
Speaker 2: that people will give him credit for. He's a smaller
Speaker 2: guy that has had injury issues, and I don't really
Speaker 2: I don't buy that he was actually hurt last year,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, I just think that the
Speaker 2: Cardinals were done with him. So I'm not really concerned
Speaker 2: about the injury stuff for him, But it was a
Speaker 2: concern coming into the league for him might shorten his career,
Speaker 2: and I just he wasn't successful with Marvin Harrison and
Speaker 2: Trey McBride and you know, a decent offense in Arizona.
Speaker 2: We saw Michael Wilson break out as well, Right, So
Speaker 2: this was a good offense that he had the keys
Speaker 2: to and was mediocre with. I feel like he might
Speaker 2: do the same thing in Minnesota. And if that's the case,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that Kyler Murray is not going to
Speaker 2: be a starter. There's gonna be plenty of teams looking
Speaker 2: for quarterbacks next year, right, I mean a lot of
Speaker 2: teams looking for quarterbacks next year, either in the draft
Speaker 2: or in free agency. My team is one of them.
Speaker 2: The Jets are definitely looking for a quarterback, and you
Speaker 2: can go through and run through a bunch of teams
Speaker 2: that are maybes. Right, I could have put Tyler Schuck
Speaker 2: on here as well, Like if he has a down year.
Speaker 2: You know how c J. Stroud had his great rookie
Speaker 2: year and then a down year and everyone is down
Speaker 2: on c J. Stroud now a little bit where he
Speaker 2: was a top five You know, Tyler Schuck could have
Speaker 2: that as well. So I could have put him on here.
Speaker 2: But this is such a good opportunity. It's such a
Speaker 2: good place to be with a coach that is almost
Speaker 2: a miracle worker with quarterbacks, I could see it working.
Speaker 2: I just don't know if Kyler is going to be
Speaker 2: the guy so and I believed in him coming out
Speaker 2: of college, you know, even though he was a sooner,
Speaker 2: I still liked him right. Got to stick up for
Speaker 2: the short guys when I can, of course, But I
Speaker 2: just don't know if he hasn't in him anymore, will
Speaker 2: he be successful. I think he's gonna have a decent year.
Speaker 2: I have QB fifteen in my twenty twenty six rankings.
Speaker 1: Well do you think the what's like the true upside,
Speaker 1: like the I don't want to say, like one hundredth
Speaker 1: percentile outcome, but like a realistic best case scenario lists
Speaker 1: he's a starter all year, you know, with QB one magic, not.
Speaker 2: QB one overall AHAB one like QB twelve to ten.
Speaker 2: I think somewhere in that range is probably the realistic upside,
Speaker 2: because I don't think that he has the rushing upside
Speaker 2: of the guys that we mentioned earlier, the Josh Allens,
Speaker 2: the Lamars, even Drake May and Jaden and guys like that.
Speaker 2: I think he's you know, Trevor Lawrence rushing upside, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like, I think that part is gone,
Speaker 2: but you don't need that when you have Justin Jefferson,
Speaker 2: you have Jordan Addison, you have TJ. Howkinson. If they
Speaker 2: can get that run game going a little bit better.
Speaker 2: I did think the run game will be better just
Speaker 2: because you don't have either a non NFL level quarterback
Speaker 2: in Brosmer or banged up and probably should be retired
Speaker 2: Carson Wentz or Jaj McCarthy who clearly wasn't ready. Like
Speaker 2: that quarterback situation for the run game last year was
Speaker 2: just a disaster. So I do think that the offense
Speaker 2: will be better under Kyler. There will be market improvement,
Speaker 2: but is that good enough to stave off Koc's obsession
Speaker 2: with McCarthy or his obsession with one of the prospects
Speaker 2: coming out in the twenty twenty seven draft, right, So
Speaker 2: I just I question whether he holds this job long term.
Speaker 2: And there's just a difference between playing with the Vikings
Speaker 2: and Koc then you know, going to sign in Miami
Speaker 2: if Malik will Willis doesn't work out, or going to
Speaker 2: New Orleans or Pittsburgh or wherever it's so much better
Speaker 2: in Minnesota. This is the job you want, And I
Speaker 2: don't know. I think he's a coin flip to keep it,
Speaker 2: and I would I would say he's probably sixty forty
Speaker 2: on the not keeping it side.
Speaker 1: Let's get to the running backs. I want to start
Speaker 1: with Zach Sharberney from your list, and I want to
Speaker 1: kind of pose the question to you. Is this more
Speaker 1: because of the inj and you never know how guys
Speaker 1: are coming back from an injury. It's a long timeline,
Speaker 1: you know, big season ending injury, or is it more
Speaker 1: about their draft to Jujeri and Price and we don't
Speaker 1: know what team Charbones that's going to. We don't know
Speaker 1: what the workload split is going to look like between
Speaker 1: those two when they're in the same backfield, and we
Speaker 1: don't know Charbonnese's long term team that he's gonna be
Speaker 1: playing for. Is it more the uncertainty of the environment
Speaker 1: or the uncertainty of the injury.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm actually positive on Sharps, so I have him
Speaker 2: at twenty two where his ECR is thirty. So the
Speaker 2: thing to me is that you know, is it gonna
Speaker 2: be great this year? I don't think it is. I
Speaker 2: think this is a bi low opportunity all the way
Speaker 2: through until he comes back, right, which I would assume
Speaker 2: is closer to you know, probably Thanksgiving than it is Halloween.
Speaker 2: But let's just say it's in the middle of November
Speaker 2: when he comes back from this uh torn acl Right,
Speaker 2: if the Seahawks are anywhere near a playoff spot and
Speaker 2: gliding towards one, they're probably gonna baby him back in. Right.
Speaker 2: They're it's gonna be working with Jeri and Price, which
Speaker 2: probably means they don't need to keep Sharbonay because he's
Speaker 2: a free agent after this season, So it's probably working
Speaker 2: with Price and you can baby Sharbonay back in. But
Speaker 2: Zach Charbonay is a three down back. I think he's
Speaker 2: a true three down back. This dude can catch passes.
Speaker 2: He had ninety five catches in three seasons and twenty
Speaker 2: touchdowns over the last two in the NFL. You know,
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of cap space for this team.
Speaker 2: I think he's going to go somewhere else and be
Speaker 2: a three down back. I think the worst case scenario,
Speaker 2: honestly would be that he re signs an extension with
Speaker 2: the Seahawks and now it's him and Jedarien splitting things up,
Speaker 2: just like it was with Kenneth Walker and zach Scharbonay
Speaker 2: maybe more positive on his end because he'll be getting
Speaker 2: the touchdowns, But I think if he looks healthy at
Speaker 2: the end of this season, I think a team is
Speaker 2: going to spend on him in free agency to bring
Speaker 2: him in and make him a three down back in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty seven. So this is rare for me because
Speaker 2: I usually like to look more in the here and
Speaker 2: now in Dynasty. I like to look in the three
Speaker 2: year window, and this is yet another guy that I
Speaker 2: am lower on the ECR for twenty twenty six because
Speaker 2: I don't think he comes back anytime soon, and I
Speaker 2: believe in Jadarian Price. But when he does come back,
Speaker 2: I do believe in charbon Ay more than I do
Speaker 2: in a lot of other backs to be a three
Speaker 2: down back for another team. I think he can do
Speaker 2: a full Javonte Williams and as a younger man as well.
Speaker 2: So that is my positivity on Sharbonay. You know, I
Speaker 2: would say by him in the middle of the year,
Speaker 2: when guys start getting hurt, il spots ir spots start
Speaker 2: filling up right and teams are frustrated with holding this guy.
Speaker 2: That is when you trade for him. Specifically, if you're
Speaker 2: a bottom feeder in your league in Dynasty, you go
Speaker 2: get him this year because he's going to be very cheap.
Speaker 2: Gonna be frustrated holding a hurt guy, and that's where
Speaker 2: you go get him for cheap, and then in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty seven he could pay off very well and you're
Speaker 2: not gonna have to pay anywhere close to that price
Speaker 2: for him specifically in season.
Speaker 1: Jendarium price is RB twenty in ECR in Dynasty, Zach
Speaker 1: Charbonne is RB thirty, So they're exactly ten spots apart.
Speaker 1: What should that gap be I have?
Speaker 2: I have Sharps at twenty two and I have Price
Speaker 2: at twenty one, So so I had out a.
Speaker 1: Gap at all, no gap, I because I think that
Speaker 1: like Fit isn't quite as high on price, like even
Speaker 1: for this year. I feel like because I feel like
Speaker 1: when I look at Jendarium price that he is going
Speaker 1: to have such a long runway with Seattle to start
Speaker 1: his rookie season that I mean, if he just is
Speaker 1: flat out bad, then obviously yeah he won't have value,
Speaker 1: but he will have so much opportunity early on that
Speaker 1: I really am viewing this as like it's his his
Speaker 1: backfield this whole year. I know that there is a
Speaker 1: world where during the Fantasy playoffs, Jarbonne is now the
Speaker 1: lead back again and Price isn't getting that opportunity anymore.
Speaker 1: But to your point, like he's not going to be
Speaker 1: back until like Thanksgiving, and then you're just talking about
Speaker 1: a few weeks they're gonna want to ramp them up
Speaker 1: for the playoffs. This is a team that is their
Speaker 1: eyes are set on February, not on December.
Speaker 2: Like, I also don't know what Price is so much opportunity,
Speaker 2: We don't know what price is true ceiling is right,
Speaker 2: like because he had yeah, yeah, and Jeremi I Love
Speaker 2: has said, hey, look Jared Brice can do everything I
Speaker 2: can do. I think he definitely deserved to be a
Speaker 2: first round running back. So you know, I know that's
Speaker 2: caping up for your teammate and all that stuff, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, let's look at the teams that might have
Speaker 2: ourb issues next year. Right. The Colts and Bengals both
Speaker 2: have JT and Jamar or Chase Brown excuse me, as
Speaker 2: free agents. What's going on with the Bears is if
Speaker 2: Swift is gone. Is an on guy the guy maybe
Speaker 2: the Commanders, the Vikings, the Titans, the Jags. May not
Speaker 2: have a primary running back on their team right now.
Speaker 2: Your boy Derrick Henry is long in the tooth. If
Speaker 2: the Ravens win the Super Bowl, maybe he hangs it up.
Speaker 2: Montgomery is old. Is there a guy in Carolina right now?
Speaker 2: There are plenty of running back situations that could use
Speaker 2: a Charbonne next year. So I think that specifically, if
Speaker 2: he looks good at the end of the year, he's
Speaker 2: going to get a job. But I think even if
Speaker 2: he signed as a flyer, he will earn a job.
Speaker 2: And he is a three down back in my opinion,
Speaker 2: so I think he gets just cheap right now, and
Speaker 2: I have him much closer to his higher end. I
Speaker 2: believe his range from the second highest is twenty one
Speaker 2: to thirty eight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely on the higher end here. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: do you want to see him stay? Like, where would
Speaker 1: you be his ultimate landing spot in your ideal scenario Carolina?
Speaker 2: You know they have a new quarterback next year. They
Speaker 2: have tet going and maybe Jalen Cocher is something you
Speaker 2: bring in. Darien Mensa or somebody to this team and
Speaker 2: watch them go bring in Leonora Sellers. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: Next class, would you trade a twenty twenty seven second
Speaker 1: for sharbone if you're a team that's looking at the future.
Speaker 2: If I'm pretty sure I'm a contender, I would do that.
Speaker 2: If I'm rebuilding, I think I might hold out and
Speaker 2: see what happens with sharbon A. And because there are
Speaker 2: some good backs in this class as well.
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Speaker 1: and Tennessee. Bogman, You've got another running back for.
Speaker 2: US, Jordan Mason. And this is this might be a
Speaker 2: point of contention between Welsh and I because I've never
Speaker 2: been in on Jordan Mason. And you know he's drafted
Speaker 2: by the Niners. Welsh liked him all that stuff and
Speaker 2: got traded, Welsh being a Niners fan here. But uh, look,
Speaker 2: he had a shot to take this job last year. Now,
Speaker 2: I will granted all this stuff I just said about
Speaker 2: Kyler Murray, you know, and him, he's going to look
Speaker 2: better than what they had last year, right because they
Speaker 2: had a guy that wasn't ready, a broken guy and
Speaker 2: a guy that will never be ready at quarterback last year,
Speaker 2: so he faced I believe I looked this up BEFO.
Speaker 2: It was the most eight men in the box for
Speaker 2: the Vikings since KOs took over, right, obviously, because the
Speaker 2: passing game wasn't working, so you stack more guys in
Speaker 2: the box. So let's just say he didn't get a
Speaker 2: fair shake last year? Right, is he going to get
Speaker 2: one this year? There was some nice Fantasy Points numbers
Speaker 2: on him. Thirteenth in explosive run percentage, ten and success rate,
Speaker 2: eighteenth in stuff percentage, and eleventh to miss tackles force
Speaker 2: per attempt. Those are pretty good. But he is a
Speaker 2: one dimensional runner anyway you cut this right. He is
Speaker 2: not a pass catching back at all. He had twenty five.
Speaker 2: He's had twenty five catches in twenty eight catches in
Speaker 2: four seasons as a pro, and he had twenty four
Speaker 2: as a collegiate athlete, a collegiate running back as well.
Speaker 2: So you just take him off the field at that point.
Speaker 2: So what are you getting? Maybe the high end I
Speaker 2: think of what you could get from Jordan Mason is
Speaker 2: probably what charbon Ay did last year, which is you
Speaker 2: want him to score twelve touchdowns? But is Jordan Mason
Speaker 2: gonna score twelve touchdowns? I don't see that in him,
Speaker 2: you know that. I like dem and Claiborne. Obviously, there's
Speaker 2: been a lot of positivity on him early in camp.
Speaker 2: I know his teammates have called they're taken to calling
Speaker 2: him Lightning, and somebody said it's the closest I've seen
Speaker 2: to teleportation in real life, which is all just you know,
Speaker 2: talking up your guys and everything. But I think Claiborne
Speaker 2: fits this offense a little bit better than Jordan Mason does.
Speaker 2: I think Jordan Mason's long term outlook in the NFL
Speaker 2: is as a short yardage back, a goal line back,
Speaker 2: something like that. I don't He's definitely not a three
Speaker 2: down back, and I don't think he can sustain being
Speaker 2: a lead back for a team. I think there's just
Speaker 2: too many good backs in the NFL, too many guys
Speaker 2: that are better than him. And whether that is coming
Speaker 2: in after the season or during the season, or if
Speaker 2: Claiborne beats him out, or if Aaron J. Zones doesn't
Speaker 2: have to fight through hamstring, toe, shoulder and hip issues,
Speaker 2: which he might, he is you know old they let
Speaker 2: him go and then brought him back. They weren't really
Speaker 2: worried about losing Aaron Jones. I understand that, but he
Speaker 2: is going to be the lead back again to start.
Speaker 2: So I'm just not a Jordan Mason guy. His range
Speaker 2: is thirty three to fifty five, and I have him
Speaker 2: at fifty two. His overall ECR is forty five.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I just look at him and like some of
Speaker 1: the rankings are like, he's forty five, like you said
Speaker 1: in ECR. Right behind him, Nicholas Singleton, Dylan Samson, Chris Rodriguez,
Speaker 1: Emmett Johnson. You'd like those next four names? All I
Speaker 1: see more upside than with Jordan Mason.
Speaker 2: Give me EMMITTT Johnson, all dang man, give me timms Jampson.
Speaker 1: I like Sampson a lot last year and Judgingon's coming
Speaker 1: off the injury, give me Chris Rodriguez to maybe have
Speaker 1: a good, nice little touchdown run hot and ye scoring
Speaker 1: the season. Like I I it's hard to envision it
Speaker 1: with Mason short term man long term for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's just it. It's like, is he good enough
Speaker 2: to hold off them? He wasn't good enough to hold
Speaker 2: off from them drafting and running back this year. So
Speaker 2: if none of the running backs work this year, work, well,
Speaker 2: they're definitely gonna go after somebody next year. So I
Speaker 2: just I don't see it. With Jordan Mason, I never
Speaker 2: really have. I kind of always thought he was a
Speaker 2: jag and I think he's gonna prove to be that
Speaker 2: this year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're in agreement on this one. So let's move
Speaker 1: to the wide receivers here. First name up, Rashi Rice.
Speaker 1: I actually just did a show with Tom Strachan earlier today.
Speaker 1: It was a redraft episode, not Dynasty, but we talked
Speaker 1: a bit about how ra she Rice is sort of
Speaker 1: a make or break player in drafts this year. So
Speaker 1: it's funny for me to then see you put him
Speaker 1: on this list of polarizing players to rank in Dynasty,
Speaker 1: which basically confirms that, yes, kind of a make or
Speaker 1: break could go in a couple of different directions. Here.
Speaker 1: The ECR rank is I believe wide receiver twenty five.
Speaker 1: You got him a bit higher than that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I talked about him as a landmine potentially
Speaker 2: for twenty twenty six as well on a show on
Speaker 2: the regular NFL channels. So in Dynasty though, I was
Speaker 2: surprised to see him as a wide receiver three because
Speaker 2: it's just bizarre to me that for this season is
Speaker 2: ECR and twenty twenty six is wide receiver eleven. That's
Speaker 2: a wide receiver one. That's your first wide receiver off
Speaker 2: the board. I can't trust this guy to be a
Speaker 2: wide receiver one for my season. He's had injury issues
Speaker 2: and obviously off the field issues, but to bury him
Speaker 2: as a wide receiver three, I you know, first in
Speaker 2: YAK per reception fourth, and targets per route run eleventh,
Speaker 2: in receiving yards per game fifteenth and mistackles fourth, force
Speaker 2: per reception fifth, and PPR points per game at eighteen
Speaker 2: point eight. He's a UFA after this year, So maybe
Speaker 2: that is what people are worried about, like the Chief's
Speaker 2: not bringing back He's got this off the field stuff.
Speaker 2: You know. Okay, but what quarterback can't throw the ball
Speaker 2: short to a guy that makes guys miss and has
Speaker 2: the most YAK per reception. I think he can succeed
Speaker 2: in any offense that he's put into. All it is
Speaker 2: with him is staying on the straight and narrow off
Speaker 2: the field. If he can do that, then there is
Speaker 2: a lot of upside, So I was just surprised to
Speaker 2: see him as a wide receiver three, even if it's
Speaker 2: the first wide receiver three, you know, and not a
Speaker 2: wide receiver two. I think in both instances, I think
Speaker 2: for this season and for Dynasty, he should be a
Speaker 2: firm wide receiver two. I wouldn't push him down to three,
Speaker 2: and I also wouldn't push him up to one. So
Speaker 2: I just I was kind of surprised both ways on
Speaker 2: Rashi Rice this season. So I'm lower on him in
Speaker 2: the ECR for twenty six and higher in Dynasty. Again.
Speaker 2: Another weird one, which is, I mean, this guy's gonna
Speaker 2: be on the cover of our SEO stuff for sure,
Speaker 2: it's for Shehi Rice. This is a show made to
Speaker 2: talk about Rashi Rice. He is very polarizing.
Speaker 1: When I was talking to tom or earlier on that episode,
Speaker 1: I wasn't really considering the Dynasty angle. I was really
Speaker 1: just thinking about this year, and I felt pretty strongly
Speaker 1: that I was going to be lower than consensus in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six. I find it harder to rank in
Speaker 1: Dynasty for the reasons you laid out. How do you
Speaker 1: feel about the chiefs in general? As an offense to
Speaker 1: target or not target for your dynasty rosters, because there
Speaker 1: was a time when it was like, Savi, you're worthy
Speaker 1: getting pushed I know, your Texas guy, but getting pushed
Speaker 1: up because he's paired with Patrick Mahomes like anybody. You know,
Speaker 1: Clyde Edwards deals didn't pan out.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but you.
Speaker 1: Know, people, oh opportunity with the Chiefs. You know, I
Speaker 1: mentioned this on the other show too. You listen to
Speaker 1: a lot of these like off season you know, NFL
Speaker 1: head co rankings podcasts from folks in the industry and
Speaker 1: as well, does Andy Reid still have it? You know,
Speaker 1: getting older, offense feels less innovative or is it just
Speaker 1: the up and down the last couple of seasons of
Speaker 1: Mahomes And it's not really Andy Reid's fault. Is it
Speaker 1: the lack of pass catching weapons, which, of course you
Speaker 1: know over she Rice can be one of those weapons.
Speaker 1: It's just I find it hard to sort of put
Speaker 1: my finger on the pulse of how invested I want
Speaker 1: to be in the Chiefs going forward. Not that I
Speaker 1: don't want to be invested in them, I'm just not
Speaker 1: quite sure like kind of where they stand in terms
Speaker 1: of the offense, is that I want to get as
Speaker 1: many pieces as I can and what I expect them
Speaker 1: to be long term, because I think there's still a
Speaker 1: world where was she Rice's long term if he gets
Speaker 1: on the straight and arrow, you know, in terms of
Speaker 1: the off field stuff, where he is you know, the
Speaker 1: new Travis Kelcey for Mahomes just that wide receiver instead
Speaker 1: of tight end for the next six years, and you
Speaker 1: are thrilled if you got him at a discount in Dynasty.
Speaker 1: But I think there's also a world where, even setting
Speaker 1: aside the off field stuff, which of course does that
Speaker 1: is a huge thing, where maybe the offense has changes
Speaker 1: and Andy reid uid isn't what he used to be
Speaker 1: and it's just less creative. And I know he said,
Speaker 1: do you think Rice can survive in any offense? It'd
Speaker 1: be good in any offense, but it just looks a
Speaker 1: little different. So how much do you want to be
Speaker 1: invested in Casey in general?
Speaker 2: I mean, as long as Mahomes is there, I still
Speaker 2: want to be involved. And I think that I think
Speaker 2: we did this in fantasy a little bit. If you
Speaker 2: remember when Brady towards acl right and things weren't going
Speaker 2: the right way for fantasy wise, for Brady and for
Speaker 2: the Patriots. I think we did this a little bit.
Speaker 2: And I'm not saying Patrick Mahomes is Tom Brady, but
Speaker 2: I am saying that we have done this in the
Speaker 2: past with some of these top upper echelon quarterbacks in
Speaker 2: NFL history, or like we've overlooked them and thought, ah,
Speaker 2: here's comes the big injury, here comes the slide, and
Speaker 2: even you know, maybe Andy Reid has gone all of
Speaker 2: that stuff. But I want, you know, I want whatever
Speaker 2: wide receiver is attached to Patrick Mahomes because I've seen
Speaker 2: them be successful. I've seen Travis Kelcey have an enormous career.
Speaker 2: We've seen Rachi Rice have monster fantasy seasons. I still
Speaker 2: hold out hope for my guy, Xavier Worthy, not as
Speaker 2: much as I had coming in, but I still hold
Speaker 2: out hope for Xavier Worthy with that explosive speed, for
Speaker 2: it all to click, because we saw how dangerous Tyreek
Speaker 2: Hill was with Patrick Mahomes, right, So I still am
Speaker 2: in there. The town is on thee there will be
Speaker 2: it'll be tough when Andy Reid leaves, and you know
Speaker 2: what has he got left? At most four seasons, you know,
Speaker 2: probably less than that I understand that at some point
Speaker 2: Andy Reid is going to be gone during Patrick Mahomes's career.
Speaker 2: I get that, But the town's on the field. Mahomes
Speaker 2: is the guy, so I think they'll build a nice
Speaker 2: offense around him. And you know, I don't like the
Speaker 2: fact that they have to keep adjusting his salary and
Speaker 2: all that stuff to fit the other guys around him.
Speaker 2: Maybe that'll keep him more lukewarm than I'm expecting. But
Speaker 2: I expect Mahomes to bounce back decently, and I think
Speaker 2: long term, I want this is the opposite, right, I
Speaker 2: want Richie Rice in Kansas City with Patrick Mahomes. But again,
Speaker 2: even if he's not a guy that can catch it
Speaker 2: short and run with it, I think can succeed in
Speaker 2: any offense. So as long as these injuries aren't constant
Speaker 2: with him, I think he's going to be okay. So
Speaker 2: but you know, you bake in the off field risk.
Speaker 2: I get that. I'm just I guess I'm not as
Speaker 2: risk averse in that. For Rashi Rights, there's still a
Speaker 2: lot of upside here. Again, can't get him a wide
Speaker 2: receiver one his range is nine to thirty seven, right,
Speaker 2: So I'm definitely on the high end at sixteen. I
Speaker 2: just can't get him down as wide receiver. Three.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to Denzel Boston, another player I'm lower on
Speaker 2: for twenty six but higher on in dynasty obviously, I
Speaker 2: think most people are. But how will the ball be
Speaker 2: distributed in Cleveland? And who is the quarterback? I think
Speaker 2: is going to matter a lot. And I think you know,
Speaker 2: obviously the Browns still have Harold Fannin, but they had
Speaker 2: nobody else last year, right, it was him and the
Speaker 2: ghost of Jerry Judy or whatever we want to call
Speaker 2: what he's doing now. It's not being a premier NFL
Speaker 2: wide receiver. I know that. So they bring in Casey Kncepsion,
Speaker 2: they bring in Denzel Boston. I'm guessing Deshaun Watson is
Speaker 2: going to start the year as disgusting as I think
Speaker 2: that is. I think he is done. I don't think
Speaker 2: he's the same guy after his Achilles tear and all
Speaker 2: of his off the field problems. I would love to
Speaker 2: see Shador get another shot at this and then you
Speaker 2: go in next year with all of these options in
Speaker 2: the draft. That's what I would do. But we're gonna
Speaker 2: see Shador get it. Look, because he'd been paid so
Speaker 2: much money, they want to at least see a little
Speaker 2: bit of him. How is this ball going to get distributed?
Speaker 2: Because everything was going to was funneled to fannin last
Speaker 2: year because they didn't have anybody else, Right, So will
Speaker 2: Casey kceptsi On step up? Will Denzel Boston step up?
Speaker 2: Who is going to be the main guy in this offense?
Speaker 2: Is still gonna be fan in That is more than
Speaker 2: acceptable to me. He was great. But Denzel Boston, I
Speaker 2: think I think people see the way that he works
Speaker 2: and they see some Keon Coleman in there, a tall,
Speaker 2: fast guy you know where there's big swings in this
Speaker 2: type of a player, right, But he was seventh in
Speaker 2: PFF receiving great and receiving touchdowns out of one hundred
Speaker 2: and ten qualified wide receivers in college last year third
Speaker 2: and contested catch percentage ten for thirteen. He went there
Speaker 2: twenty ninth in yards per route run, sixteenth in a
Speaker 2: dot as well. Concepcian was twenty seventh in the yards
Speaker 2: per route run. Pretty good metric that transfers pretty well
Speaker 2: to the NFL. But he is hard to rank to
Speaker 2: me because I don't know how the ball is going
Speaker 2: to be distributed here and nobody does. So his ECR
Speaker 2: is forty eight. I have him at thirty six, but
Speaker 2: his range, dude goes from twenty four, and I think
Speaker 2: that's Debro if I'm not mistaken. I think Debro is
Speaker 2: the guy that had him at twenty four and it
Speaker 2: goes all the way down to sixty seven. That is
Speaker 2: a massive range, even for a rookie to have. So
Speaker 2: there's some real real believers to push him up to
Speaker 2: a low end wide receiver two. I'm pushing him to
Speaker 2: a low end wide receiver three, like on that wide
Speaker 2: receiver three four border, and I kind of feel like
Speaker 2: that is me waving the white flag a little bit
Speaker 2: on him. But his ECR is wide receiver forty eight,
Speaker 2: So I'm definitely more positive. Maybe I'm being a little
Speaker 2: too Pollyanna, but it might not even be in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty six that he succeeds. It might be when they
Speaker 2: get a better quarterback. Maybe Sanders doesn't work out, maybe Watson.
Speaker 2: They don't figure anything out this year and they take
Speaker 2: somebody else, then how is the ball going to be distributed? Right?
Speaker 2: So there are It seems to me that there are
Speaker 2: so many ranges of outcomes for every pass catcher in
Speaker 2: this offense that it makes him a little more difficult
Speaker 2: for me to rank.
Speaker 1: Debro is the high man. I just looked it up.
Speaker 1: All your talking he is having currently Maybe that's not updated,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but he currently has him wide receiver
Speaker 1: twenty four, so.
Speaker 2: Buying in probably higher than he has conceptsi on then,
Speaker 2: and I think feel like there are camps building right
Speaker 2: like Conceptcion is maybe more of a play guy. Maybe
Speaker 2: that's what we're thinking. I talked to Tara today in
Speaker 2: a Q and A. She seems to think that Casey
Speaker 2: Conceptscian is more of the possession guy. That's kind of
Speaker 2: how I see him as well, with big play upside.
Speaker 2: But I think Boston can succeed as well. I'm a
Speaker 2: little fearful that this takes away from Fannin. Do you
Speaker 2: think it takes away from Fannin or do you think
Speaker 2: it's no, we know what we have in Fannon, so
Speaker 2: let's get the ball to him.
Speaker 1: It's a good question. I just think when I look
Speaker 1: at this receiving room in general, it's like it's a
Speaker 1: new offense, you know, first time head coach Todd Munkin.
Speaker 1: We don't know what the long term quarterback allocy is.
Speaker 1: They're probably gonna give you to her chance, right obviously,
Speaker 1: but like maybe Shaun Watson's getting Like also, if you
Speaker 1: just said about the quarterback situation and from mouths to
Speaker 1: feed right, two guys drafted inside the top forty plus
Speaker 1: a tight end that just broke out last year. So
Speaker 1: it's like, it's not that I see it as any
Speaker 1: one like, oh, this makes it worse for Fannin or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's just for all the pass catchers that you would
Speaker 1: consider fantasy relevant, dynasty relevant, and on this team, it's
Speaker 1: just like there's there's not just one question mark, right,
Speaker 1: It's not just the quarterback. It's not just that good.
Speaker 1: It's just a lot of question marks, So that makes
Speaker 1: it hard to feel like it's easy to invest in
Speaker 1: any of them. Not that you shouldn't invest in any
Speaker 1: of them, but that it makes it, I think more
Speaker 1: difficult to try and play whack a mole with who
Speaker 1: the right investment is at cost.
Speaker 2: And it might be that on a week to week
Speaker 2: basis as well, specifically with those two stud wide receivers
Speaker 2: being rookies and one of them can float to the top,
Speaker 2: one of them could not work out. It's it's it's
Speaker 2: gonna be a long season in Cleveland.
Speaker 1: We know that I think Fannin will get his opportuity,
Speaker 1: like I think they will. They know what that they
Speaker 1: found something with him last year and got lucky that
Speaker 1: they got him third round, and we'll kind of continue
Speaker 1: to take advantage of him breaking out last year. Is
Speaker 1: my guess, you ever know. I mean again, this isn't
Speaker 1: the head coach that drafted him, right, this is you know.
Speaker 1: So it's hard to say for sure, but my guess
Speaker 1: is that he'll be fine. And it's about Boston versus
Speaker 1: CONCEPTSIO and for who can get the those other targets.
Speaker 1: Let's go to your last receiver here. Earlier, I said,
Speaker 1: I don't think there's a player with more on field
Speaker 1: wider range of outcomes than.
Speaker 2: You stole it. I was gonna steal it back.
Speaker 1: This guy might be the way. I didn't want to
Speaker 1: spoil it by saying this, but I think Travis Hunter
Speaker 1: might have a wider range.
Speaker 2: I mean, honestly, what is the plan here? Right? Like
Speaker 2: his ECRs wide receiver fifty five, I mean I have
Speaker 2: him in the seventies. His range is twenty five to
Speaker 2: ninety one. I had no idea who would put him
Speaker 2: up at twenty five. There's three guys in front of
Speaker 2: him right now, right it is BTJ, Jacoby Myers, and
Speaker 2: Parker Washington are all in front of him. They're gonna
Speaker 2: play more thirteen personnel this year. Obviously they went out
Speaker 2: and drafted Porkshire and Cozy All. They extended Brenton Strange, right.
Speaker 2: I think the biggest question in this offense is who
Speaker 2: is going to be the main RB. He's gonna be
Speaker 2: Sea Rod. I expected to be Touton, but Sea Rod
Speaker 2: is in there as well. But Travis Hunter plays on
Speaker 2: the other side of the ball, and he could be
Speaker 2: a premier corner. And if you get that from him,
Speaker 2: with the way this roster is built, I think it
Speaker 2: is more important for him to play on the defensive
Speaker 2: side than it is on the receiving side. But my
Speaker 2: whole thought process of Travis Hunter coming in was, this
Speaker 2: is shot con. You know. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: saw the thing about him ghosting Patrick Graham in a
Speaker 2: head coach interview a couple of years ago. But the
Speaker 2: guy owns ecw Right, Like I thought, Okay, you trade
Speaker 2: away picks to go get Travis Hunter to sell Jersey,
Speaker 2: so you're clearly gonna put him on the offensive side. Well,
Speaker 2: then Parker Washington broke out last year they traded for
Speaker 2: Jacobe Myers. All this a sudd worked out. But let's
Speaker 2: just remind you of why he might be. Travis under
Speaker 2: might be the best wide receiver on this roster today.
Speaker 2: When he won his heis been fourth and receptions fifth,
Speaker 2: and receiving yards eighth, in receiving grade eighth and miss
Speaker 2: tackles force twelfth and contesta catch percentage nineteenth in YAK
Speaker 2: in the Nation, playing both ways right, playing both ways
Speaker 2: every game, every play for most of it. I mean,
Speaker 2: this dude was putting up one hundred snaps a game.
Speaker 2: It felt like most of the time. So Travis Hunter
Speaker 2: is an elite athlete. He could really do anything he wants,
Speaker 2: and it's just really difficult to know where to put him.
Speaker 2: I just don't think they're playing him on offense much
Speaker 2: this season, And if they don't do it this year,
Speaker 2: how's it going to translate? Because I think wherever you
Speaker 2: put him, he's going to succeed. So if he is
Speaker 2: a corner, I think he's gonna be an elite level corner,
Speaker 2: right Why would you take him out of that spot?
Speaker 2: That's why I'm lower on him. But my god, he
Speaker 2: really could be a stud on offense if that's the
Speaker 2: way they decide that. I just think it's too big
Speaker 2: of an if, and I think he got to keep
Speaker 2: him on the defensive side. With all these stud wide
Speaker 2: receivers that the Jaguars currently have, we're having a hard
Speaker 2: time ranking Jaguars wide receivers for twenty twenty six because
Speaker 2: it's a bundle of them, don't you know. There's BTJ camps,
Speaker 2: there's Parker Washington camps, and Jacobe Beyer's played more snaps
Speaker 2: in Parker Washington when he got traded and they extended him.
Speaker 2: So I this is a hard situation on its face
Speaker 2: to know, but when you dig a little deeper, it
Speaker 2: gets even harder. Throwing Travis Hunter into this.
Speaker 1: Mix, it's also like it's so extra tantalizing because the
Speaker 1: last game we saw of his was his best game.
Speaker 1: Fourteen targets, eight catches, hundred one yards and a touchdown
Speaker 1: against the Rams, who were really good. Like that's what
Speaker 1: a lasting memory to then carry you through the rest
Speaker 1: of his rookie season despite the poor start. And I just,
Speaker 1: like I've said this before, I just don't want to
Speaker 1: be the guy riding this roller coaster. I want to
Speaker 1: let somebody else have the headache. I want to let
Speaker 1: somebody else wish on the upside. And the upside is
Speaker 1: obviously there. I mean there were I saw people comp
Speaker 1: him to like a shorter Justin Jefferson when he was coming,
Speaker 1: Like if he was just strictly as a receiver when
Speaker 1: he came into the NFL, like as elite as it gets,
Speaker 1: as an athlete, like you said, but also smooth and
Speaker 1: like a good receiver, not just an athlete at receiver.
Speaker 2: And fluid and really like tracking the ball man.
Speaker 1: And if they just said, if they just said, hey,
Speaker 1: he's the best receiver on the team. We think receivers
Speaker 1: more valuable than the cornerback. Let's just let him be
Speaker 1: a stud there. Like it there. I don't think it's
Speaker 1: totally out of the realm of possibility that he would
Speaker 1: be like a wide receiver one that there's so many
Speaker 1: things that would need to happen to get there. It's
Speaker 1: obviously not likely, but like that upside is still in him.
Speaker 1: I think we would all agree and just base Peroly
Speaker 1: on talent. But it seems to the team's roster construction,
Speaker 1: like you said, it would be better for him to
Speaker 1: play on defense.
Speaker 2: And I think we're going to see him succeed there quickly,
Speaker 2: right like very quickly, and that it's gonna be hard
Speaker 2: to pull him off the field. And monterak Brown was
Speaker 2: great last year as well. Look at his PFF grade.
Speaker 2: He was awesome last season. So this secondary for Jacksonville
Speaker 2: monterak Brown and Travis Hunter, you might have two shutdown corners,
Speaker 2: two lockdown corners if you led him on offense. If
Speaker 2: you have that, if you.
Speaker 1: Were the one who you know, drafted him in your
Speaker 1: rookie draft with like the fourth overall pick last year.
Speaker 1: And it feels like this a lost asset, would you
Speaker 1: rather hold and hope that we see the upside and
Speaker 1: just kind of hope for I don't want to call
Speaker 1: it a miracle, but hope for like a really fortunate outcome,
Speaker 1: or what is the draft pick capital you would sell
Speaker 1: him for and say, let me just get out from
Speaker 1: out of here and at a loss, because it would
Speaker 1: be at a loss.
Speaker 2: Obviously there's variance here as well, because I think that
Speaker 2: the team that trades for Travis Hunter is a team
Speaker 2: that is struggling this year and you're just looking for
Speaker 2: the upside play. You're waiting, you know, a lot, like
Speaker 2: we talked about with Sharbona, someone getting frustrated. This guy
Speaker 2: is on my bench or on my ir and he's
Speaker 2: just eating up an IR spot and I have three
Speaker 2: other guys and I just, you know, let me trade
Speaker 2: him for a third round pick and just get him
Speaker 2: off my roster so I can make this work. I
Speaker 2: think Travis Hunter is one of those guys as well,
Speaker 2: right where if you're rebuilding, trade a third, trade a fourth,
Speaker 2: go get him, you know, see if you can go
Speaker 2: get him. Trade a piece that is not a long
Speaker 2: term option that on your team that is popping, like say,
Speaker 2: let's say Bill crossky Merrit's having a big year and
Speaker 2: he's sitting on your roster. I don't think whatever Bill
Speaker 2: krossky Merrit does, I don't think it's going to be
Speaker 2: earth shattering this year. So trading for Travis Hunter and
Speaker 2: a late pick and see if it works out for you,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like that is the team
Speaker 2: that needs to go acquire him. If I'm rostering him,
Speaker 2: Do I want to trade him if I'm winning and
Speaker 2: he's clogging up a spot? Yeah, I would say. But
Speaker 2: the deeper my benches are, the deeper my benches, the
Speaker 2: more you know spots I can hold, the more likely
Speaker 2: I am to keep him. Just to see right, So
Speaker 2: if you if you're in a dynasty with a particularly
Speaker 2: short bench for whatever reason, that is the case where
Speaker 2: you know, if my team is good, I'm probably looking
Speaker 2: to move Travis Hunter. But I think everyone that turns
Speaker 2: into a bottom feet of this year should at least
Speaker 2: be trying to go get Travis Hunter, even if he's
Speaker 2: not playing a lot of wide receiver, because you never
Speaker 2: know what could happen, right, And specifically, if he's not
Speaker 2: traded playing a lot of wide receiver, he's gonna be
Speaker 2: ultra cheap, so that is where I would go get him.
Speaker 2: But like you said, like we've just gone through this,
Speaker 2: this is you know, you could put Rashi Rice or
Speaker 2: Travis Hunter on the cover of this show's art. So
Speaker 2: because these are very, very polarizing guy, it's not surprising
Speaker 2: to see them on a list like this.
Speaker 1: All right, let's wrap things up by talking about your
Speaker 1: favorite tight end here, Bogman, Dalton Kincaid. Why did he
Speaker 1: make the list for you?
Speaker 2: I think because I have to acknowledge the upside of
Speaker 2: Dalton Kinkaid, right, Like, there's been a lot of down
Speaker 2: talk about Dalton Kinkad from me and fits here, but
Speaker 2: we do have to admit that there's a little bit
Speaker 2: of upside here. I still think he's the best receiving
Speaker 2: tight end in Buffalo. If he does truly feel the
Speaker 2: best that he's felt in his NFL career, that would
Speaker 2: be huge for him moving forward. But what we've seen
Speaker 2: is a guy that has not been able to stay
Speaker 2: on the field the last year and a half, right
Speaker 2: since the I think it was Week nine in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty in twenty twenty, for he has not been really
Speaker 2: healthy since then. This PCL injury, which again this offseason
Speaker 2: he decided to not have surgery for and just kind
Speaker 2: of rehabit the same way. I think, you know, the
Speaker 2: way that I see it just could be a little
Speaker 2: flawed because with McDermot done, it's still Joe Brady calling
Speaker 2: the plays on offense, right, and they love Jackson Hawes
Speaker 2: as a blocker, they really do. And Dawson Knox is
Speaker 2: more complete than Dalton kin Kate is. I think, so
Speaker 2: you know what is Dalton Kin Kate's true role here right?
Speaker 2: Is it to be one of the main pass catchers.
Speaker 2: You added Dj Moore, you added Skyler Bell as well.
Speaker 2: Kean Coleman has not popped yet, So if more and
Speaker 2: Shakir both work, then there might not just be a
Speaker 2: lot for any of the tight ends in Buffalo. But
Speaker 2: if Dj Moore is a little washed, like a lot
Speaker 2: of people are thinking, and Shakiir is not going to
Speaker 2: take another step, Skyler Bell's a rookie, right, is kin
Speaker 2: Kid going to be a major part of this offense.
Speaker 2: I do think that that is within the realm of possibility,
Speaker 2: and that is what is keeping his ECR high in
Speaker 2: Dynasty Still tight end elevenies tight end one. To most people,
Speaker 2: his range is seven to twenty three. I have him
Speaker 2: at sixteen, so and that's after moving him up because
Speaker 2: I felt like I moved him down a little too
Speaker 2: far earlier this year. So I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: Even in Dynasty, I feel like I give me Brenton
Speaker 2: Strange still over Dalon Kinkaid, maybe even Mark Andrews for
Speaker 2: a couple of years, and then I'll go find in
Speaker 2: the tight end later. I just don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: know what Kinkaid is going to be. You know, he's
Speaker 2: going to turn twenty seven this season. He's had injury issues,
Speaker 2: he hasn't been a major factor in this offense for
Speaker 2: a year and a half, and he played in over
Speaker 2: fifty percent of snaps in four games last year. It's
Speaker 2: just not getting it done. That's definitely not tight end
Speaker 2: one territory. I would say that it's still in there
Speaker 2: if he is healthy, but I don't know if I
Speaker 2: buy that he feels as healthy as he has without
Speaker 2: surgery for this PCL injury that's dogged him for a
Speaker 2: year and a half.
Speaker 1: The only pushback I would give is like, does it
Speaker 1: feel right that dog Kinkaid is ranked as a tight
Speaker 1: end one. No, but you get past the top eight
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure who is supposed to be there
Speaker 1: A good point, pretty locked down in in my opinion, Bowers, McBride, Loveland,
Speaker 1: Warren Kraft fan in the port of Pits, quibble with
Speaker 1: the order. All you want to me, those are the
Speaker 1: clear eight names. Then it's like just an ECR. I'm
Speaker 1: looking at Kenyan, Sadik, Eli Stowers are nine to ten.
Speaker 1: We've never seen them play a snap and they're both
Speaker 1: in you know, we don't know what their situation is
Speaker 1: going to look like. Stours with the tight who's in
Speaker 1: the tight end room? Sadik, what the quarterback is long term?
Speaker 1: Kinkaid at eleven, Ronda Gadsden, who had a really hot
Speaker 1: month and has pretty much done nothing else as a
Speaker 1: fifth round rookie.
Speaker 2: I got at twelve and still so.
Speaker 1: I mean Isaiah Likely, who I love and have talked
Speaker 1: up a lot, But like you know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the offense is going to look like in New
Speaker 1: York this year. I think there's a lot of question
Speaker 1: marks there and he's never been a number one guy before. Kittle,
Speaker 1: who's older and coming off the knee injury. You know, ferguson,
Speaker 1: how much upside is there? Strange, You already mentioned Chicka Kokuo,
Speaker 1: I like a lot. He hasn't done it. We're not
Speaker 1: getting down to like tight end seventeen. It's had an eighteen.
Speaker 1: Is Mark Andrews, who's older. The point is, I don't
Speaker 1: think there's a very obvious tight end nine. So if
Speaker 1: somebody wants to have Kinkaid in that nine ten eleven range,
Speaker 1: I think I think it's okay. But that's more because
Speaker 1: there's so much uncertainty with the guys outside the top
Speaker 1: eight than it is me wanting to plant my flag
Speaker 1: on Kinkaid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I have likely Sours, Sadik Kittle, Strange Andrews Ferguson,
Speaker 2: those are the guys that I have ahead of him, right,
Speaker 2: But I have the guys in the tier above are
Speaker 2: only likely Sours and Sadiq, And that is witsh casting
Speaker 2: on the rookies, right. We know tight ends are really
Speaker 2: finicky and where they work. You know, I would have
Speaker 2: had if Ben Sinnett was coming out in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: six here, I would have had Senate ahead of him
Speaker 2: as well, and he has not worked out at all, right,
Speaker 2: I Gunnery Helm probably would have been close to that
Speaker 2: as well, and Gunnar helm Saw has a chance to
Speaker 2: easily surpass him. I might be too low on him
Speaker 2: and Delp right, So you know Aj Barner, you know
Speaker 2: Fitz is the biggest Terrence Ferguson fan.
Speaker 1: We know all these guys maybe equals by me. We
Speaker 1: talked about every time we do one of our streams
Speaker 1: when it's just the two of us. I love Ferguson
Speaker 1: to fits my likeing more, but I like him a
Speaker 1: lot too, I would say Bogman like in just looking
Speaker 1: at this exercise and thinking about Kinkaid's ranking, like, I
Speaker 1: really do feel like if I was in a startup
Speaker 1: right now, I want to get one of those first eight,
Speaker 1: or I want to wait and take a swing on
Speaker 1: like a terrace Ferguson or a position I need or
Speaker 1: take like you know, a late round Mark Andrews in
Speaker 1: a dynasty startup because of the age and just say
Speaker 1: I'm going to address this position next year.
Speaker 2: Take a book, take Andrew Ferguson and this year and
Speaker 2: Ferguson for the future.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not want somebody who's currently in tier three at
Speaker 1: the position. It's just it's not appealing to me in
Speaker 1: a startup draft.
Speaker 2: Agreed. Yeah, I'm I'm I'm with you, so you know it,
Speaker 2: uh we I I understand the upside for Kincaid and
Speaker 2: like I said, that's why I put him here because
Speaker 2: I've also had him on you know, hate shows. Uh,
Speaker 2: but I do have to acknowledge there is still upside
Speaker 2: for Don Kinkaid, and as you mentioned, after the top eight,
Speaker 2: it does get real hairy. It's very very opinion based
Speaker 2: at that point.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So yeah, the players we struggle to rank that
Speaker 1: could have been the six different tight ends in this
Speaker 1: like that are it's a struggle to rank. So I
Speaker 1: think that's yes to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, So, yeah, those are those are my guys
Speaker 2: that I've had a tough time with.
Speaker 1: I would say we'll go ahead and wrap things up there.
Speaker 1: Thanks everybody for checking out the polarizing players we struggle
Speaker 1: to rank. For Bogman and for Fits who's hopefully having
Speaker 1: a great time again right now, I'm Ryan warmly. Thanks
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