WEBVTT - Creature Classic: Remember To Breathe Through Your Butt!

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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<v Speaker 1>of Many Parasites, Katie Golden. I studied psychology and evolutionary biology,

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<v Speaker 1>and I really love birds. I just can't get enough

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<v Speaker 1>of them, dang birds. Today on the show Winter is Coming,

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<v Speaker 1>Remember that from the Dragons Show. Well, we won't be

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<v Speaker 1>talking about the Dragon show, but we will be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about how animals prepare for the winter, from hibernation to

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<v Speaker 1>magical wardrobe changes, to cryogenic freezing. To discover this and

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<v Speaker 1>more as we answer the angel question, when, if ever,

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<v Speaker 1>is the right time to breathe through your butt? What

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<v Speaker 1>is hibernation? How do you distinguish hibernation from a really,

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<v Speaker 1>really long nap. While there are definitely some distinctive features

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<v Speaker 1>of hibernation, like many behaviors and evolutionary biology, it's hard

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<v Speaker 1>to get away with one easy definition. But one thing's

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. Hibernation isn't just an extreme nap. It's more

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<v Speaker 1>akin to stasis, like something you'd come up with in

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<v Speaker 1>a science fiction setting. There are many ways that animals

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<v Speaker 1>cope with the winter, and we'll discuss some of the

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<v Speaker 1>wildest winter adaptations. So let's start with this most famous method,

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<v Speaker 1>and reveal the weird and sci fi details beyond our

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<v Speaker 1>childhood image of a really sleepy bear in a nightcap.

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<v Speaker 1>Joining me today to prepare for Winter's Comedian writer and

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<v Speaker 1>co host of The Bechdel Cast, Caitlin Dorante.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, I'm also a sleepy bear.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh we're here in our picamas. I'll talk in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>old timey bed, very cozy, very cozy. Yes, yeah, So

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<v Speaker 1>listen to this when you're driving and just let yourself

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<v Speaker 1>drift off.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, very safe.

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<v Speaker 1>How much do you know about hibernation? You know what?

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<v Speaker 2>Not a ton? My personal favorite bear is, of course, Paddington.

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<v Speaker 2>And Addington do not believe that Paddington hibernates in any

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<v Speaker 2>of the movies, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember him ever doing that or in the books,

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<v Speaker 1>in the novels the series.

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<v Speaker 2>Perhaps Peruvian bears do not hibernate. Well, they wouldn't need

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<v Speaker 2>to for the winter because a tropical issue environment.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly. So.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there hasn't been a lot of hibernation visibility on screen,

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<v Speaker 2>at least that I've seen.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right.

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<v Speaker 2>And I only ever learned things if I see them

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<v Speaker 2>in movies.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And that's that's with the Bechdel cast you guys

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<v Speaker 1>talk about movies and sort of from a from the

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<v Speaker 1>perspective of like, hey, are there women in movies? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we should, we should find that out. Usually not, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you know, it's just like webs, we forgot to

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<v Speaker 1>put women in here. Oh, and then you put them

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<v Speaker 1>in and then they just spend the whole time talking

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<v Speaker 1>about boys. Yes, yeah, I think that hibernation is one

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<v Speaker 1>of those things that we learn about briefly in school

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just like, oh, Bear's school to sleep for

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<v Speaker 1>the winter, and then there's not much else learned about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Although maybe the education system is better now. I think

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<v Speaker 1>that maybe children are smarter than we ever used to be.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, let's get into some of the details about

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<v Speaker 1>it that I think are really bizarre. And it's one

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<v Speaker 1>of these things that everybody kind of knows about hibernation,

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<v Speaker 1>but when you actually look at the scientific facts behind it,

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<v Speaker 1>it gets a lot weirder than you expect. Can't wait, So,

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<v Speaker 1>hibernation occurs during the winter. In summer, there are there

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<v Speaker 1>is like a summer form of hibernation called estivation. It

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<v Speaker 1>occurs in mammals, for reptiles and amphibians, it's called brumation,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's a similar thing, but it's not called hibernation.

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<v Speaker 1>The only exception is the common poor will, which is

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<v Speaker 1>a nocturnal bird species in the family of night jars,

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<v Speaker 1>and it goes into a state of torpor for weeks

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<v Speaker 1>or months at a time, and this is I think

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<v Speaker 1>the only bird species that's known to do this. Of

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<v Speaker 1>the mammals that do hibernation, bears, squirrel, chipmunks, bats, skunks, hedgehogs,

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<v Speaker 1>and dwarf and fat tailed lemurs are among them. And

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<v Speaker 1>dwarf and fat tailed lumur is actually some of the

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<v Speaker 1>only primates known to hibernate, and they can go up

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<v Speaker 1>to ten minutes without breathing when they're hibernating. What yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So this is where we get into some of the

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<v Speaker 1>things about hibernation that makes it really clear it's not

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<v Speaker 1>just sleeping, it's not just a nap. So to prepare

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<v Speaker 1>for hibernation, the body temperature drastically drops and brain activity

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<v Speaker 1>greatly decreases to a coma like state, and the metabolism

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<v Speaker 1>slows so that you can basically be in this coma

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<v Speaker 1>state without dying of starvation, and the heart rate can

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<v Speaker 1>drop drastically so a grizzly bear's heart goes from about

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<v Speaker 1>eighty four beats per minent to nineteen beats permanent, which

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<v Speaker 1>is pretty crazy. And there's the mechanism of how this

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<v Speaker 1>works is really interesting for a bear. So the heart

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<v Speaker 1>isn't damn imaged, which you would think it would. So

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<v Speaker 1>like if a heart beat slows too much in like

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<v Speaker 1>a human, you're going to really damage the heart, and

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<v Speaker 1>which could be fatal because the blood builds up in

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<v Speaker 1>the left ventricle and then that can cause the ventricle

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<v Speaker 1>to expand and become damaged. And yeah, that's no good.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you don't want your heart to be like

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<v Speaker 1>an overly full water balloon.

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<v Speaker 2>Essential I mean when we learn about I mean, speaking

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<v Speaker 2>of wintertime, the grinch, when his heart grows three sizes,

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<v Speaker 2>he would die. He would die, He would die.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be very bad.

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<v Speaker 2>For well, unless I don't know what species the grinch is,

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<v Speaker 2>but maybe there's something about his heart that.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't know. I think he would most

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<v Speaker 1>certainly suffer an errortic dissection from that, Like there's no green,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Let's let's fix grench to be accurate, so

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<v Speaker 1>that the Grinch dies and everyone is sad. So in

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<v Speaker 1>the bear, well maybe the grinch has some special heart

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<v Speaker 1>physiology like a bear. Right. Yeah, So the bear's left

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<v Speaker 1>ventricle stiffens, so as the blood pools in it from

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<v Speaker 1>not beating as much, it doesn't damage the muscle and

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<v Speaker 1>the heartbeat is significantly weakened so that the stiffer heart

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<v Speaker 1>muscle won't be damaged by the left h or so. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>the left atrium pumps blood into the left ventricle, and

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<v Speaker 1>so if the left atrium is like really pumping hard

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<v Speaker 1>blood into a stiff surface of the left atrium, it's

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<v Speaker 1>like taking a water balloon full of blood and like

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<v Speaker 1>smashing it against a brick wall.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like something I do every Thursday.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it is cathartic, but instead of smashing, if you

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<v Speaker 1>kind of just like gently press it against the wall

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<v Speaker 1>and there's like a little opening where the blood can

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<v Speaker 1>squoosh out, like, then you know you got a functioning heart. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is what I'm saying. So that's impressive. But a

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<v Speaker 1>chipmunk's heart rate slows from two hundred beats per minute

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<v Speaker 1>to only about five, which is.

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<v Speaker 2>It that decreases wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it really it's almost like they're in the

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<v Speaker 1>state of almost death.

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<v Speaker 2>Like almost staceis that's like one beat for every ten seconds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, roughly. Yeah, yeah, it's I mean, if we if

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<v Speaker 1>we got anywhere near that, you'd be dead. That it's

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<v Speaker 1>just you can't survive that kind of slow heartbeat. But

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<v Speaker 1>it is incredible that they're basic. And like one thing is,

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<v Speaker 1>if you wake up a hibernating animal like a squirrel,

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<v Speaker 1>the effort, it takes them a long time to wake up.

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<v Speaker 1>They can't just like instantly awake, right because their body

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<v Speaker 1>has to essentially come.

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<v Speaker 2>Back to life online.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, from this state of stace is kind of like

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<v Speaker 1>that scene in Austin Powers, like he gets frozen and

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<v Speaker 1>they unfreeze them and then he goes through all of

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<v Speaker 1>this like you know, hilarious unfreezing process.

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<v Speaker 2>In feminist text Austin Power.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, yes, you know, and it's really funny because

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<v Speaker 1>we get to see as butt.

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<v Speaker 2>That's I mean, that's comedy at its highest form.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's you have to go to years of comedy

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<v Speaker 1>school to reach that level. So the breathing rate also

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<v Speaker 1>drops dramatically as there's less of a demand for oxygen

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<v Speaker 1>because your heart rate is so slow, Like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>it takes a while to wake up from. And in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>if they're waking prematurely for some reason, that can be

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<v Speaker 1>really disastrous because that takes so much energy to wake

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<v Speaker 1>up from the whole point of hibernation or partially the

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<v Speaker 1>point is to preserve your your energy stores throughout the

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<v Speaker 1>winter because the food supply drops, so you're inducing the

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<v Speaker 1>state of near death where you're not consuming energy so

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<v Speaker 1>you can survive. And so if you wake up use

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<v Speaker 1>all this energy to wake up, you're kind of screwed.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's really important to set your alarm clock like

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<v Speaker 1>your little time any chipmunk alarm clock right.

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<v Speaker 2>Otherwise it's like when your your battery on your phone,

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<v Speaker 2>is it like two percent, but you still need to

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<v Speaker 2>call your lift home, right, And it's like, what if

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<v Speaker 2>I call this lift, it's gonna make my phone die

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<v Speaker 2>and then I won't actually be able to take the run.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just like that, you know what I'm saying. Chipmunks

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<v Speaker 1>are exactly like that. Yeah, yeah, that's I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't put it more precisely myself.

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<v Speaker 2>You're welcome.

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<v Speaker 1>Chimps are lifts that would be cool though, just like

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<v Speaker 1>you call.

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<v Speaker 2>A giant lift like a giant chipmunk. Yeah, it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the cat bus thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then you can just like put all your

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<v Speaker 1>belongings in his little cheeks. Cute.

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<v Speaker 2>Why isn't that a thing?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, because it would probably.

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<v Speaker 2>Kill us, I guess.

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<v Speaker 1>So some scientists are hibernation purists and don't really think

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<v Speaker 1>bears qualify as true hibernators because their body temperature doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>drop that much and it's not too hard for the

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<v Speaker 1>bears to wake up. But you know, it's it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of whatever your opinion is if you're in science, different science,

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<v Speaker 1>Like some people are like, well, you know, it's close

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<v Speaker 1>enough to hibernation.

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<v Speaker 2>Hibernation is a spectrum, and we need to respect that.

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<v Speaker 1>It is actually literally described as a spectrum. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're exactly right. So animals who are hibernating don't typically eat,

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<v Speaker 1>although some do require little food stores, so they'll wake

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<v Speaker 1>up briefly from hibernation, nibble on their little snack, and

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<v Speaker 1>then go back into hibernation. They also don't poop or pee,

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<v Speaker 1>and they don't produce They don't produce fecal matter because

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<v Speaker 1>their whole digestive system is slowed to a crawl if

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<v Speaker 1>not like shut down entirely. Yea. And they do produce urea,

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<v Speaker 1>which is like the main ingredient in urine, but the

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<v Speaker 1>body is able to break break it down and recycle it,

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<v Speaker 1>like bears break down urate into amino acids and recycle it. Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're not just like full of pea, although.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure pleasing themselves bed right exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you put up bears like paw and hot Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>timmy petem cells worm showering. So how do animals know

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<v Speaker 1>when to go into hibernation? Is it based on like

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<v Speaker 1>the like they know it's Academy Awards season coming up,

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<v Speaker 1>or like you know what, what's sort of the thing

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<v Speaker 1>like the.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean when Paddington I didn't get nominated or

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<v Speaker 2>did get nominated but didn't win, Right, He's like, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I got to go into hibernation now just to cope

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<v Speaker 2>with this crub, is my guest.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, you know that if you don't. If

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<v Speaker 1>weather's not a reason to go in a hibernation, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to cope with an oscar snub surely is. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty fifteen, researchers discovered calendar cells inside animals who

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<v Speaker 1>undergo physiological changes during winter, such as hibernation, and these

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<v Speaker 1>cells are located inside a structure within the piture two

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<v Speaker 1>Glenn called the pars to barylous. The cells change what

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<v Speaker 1>proteins they produce during the year in response to the

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<v Speaker 1>amount of daylight. Actually, humans have a similar structure as

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<v Speaker 1>the pars to to barrel it to the pars to barylus.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's exactly right to me.

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<v Speaker 1>Pars to barylous, which indicates that we may also have

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<v Speaker 1>some sort of internal calendar and research even though we

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<v Speaker 1>don't hibernate. Obviously, speak for yourself. Yes, so your your

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<v Speaker 1>your heart essentially stops and you stop pooping and peeing

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<v Speaker 1>and yeah every winter. Wow, that's that's pretty marlow. Or

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<v Speaker 1>you're not getting enough fiber.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, I'm just constantly constipated.

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<v Speaker 1>That's as you know. Just call it hibernation then it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem so bad. So there is a potential area

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<v Speaker 1>of research suggesting that our immunity may change depending on

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<v Speaker 1>the season, which means like maybe our immune system is

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<v Speaker 1>giving us more protection based on like when we will

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<v Speaker 1>most need it, and then that could potentially be regulated

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<v Speaker 1>by this pars to beryl Us.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, got nailed it.

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<v Speaker 1>So many animals who hibernate will prepare a den and

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<v Speaker 1>insulate it with fur, dirt, vegetation, other cozy things. Some

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<v Speaker 1>animals will bulk up before hibernation, eating massive amounts of food.

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<v Speaker 1>This is often like large omnivores or carnivores like bears,

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<v Speaker 1>while others will store food in their dens, meaning they'll

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<v Speaker 1>wake up occasionally to eat. This is often the tiniest hibernators,

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<v Speaker 1>like mice and chipmunks, because they're little, tiny bodies can't

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<v Speaker 1>store enough fat and their metabolism can't slow down enough

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<v Speaker 1>to keep them alive throughout the entire winter. They need

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<v Speaker 1>their snacks, and in fact, chipmunks will really they'll like

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<v Speaker 1>steal from each other. They'll fight over food stores. It

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<v Speaker 1>gets quite quite nasty. There should be a movie about this, yeah, like, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>like a gritty reboot of Alvin and the Chipmunks, like

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<v Speaker 1>the squeak will where.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just like it's like the Irishman.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like like I hear you know where my nuts are?

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<v Speaker 1>You do know exactly? You do know you will have

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<v Speaker 1>to die? But saw those squeaky chipmunk voices of like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna kill you. It's like, oh my god, it's

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<v Speaker 1>Alvin's head in her bid. Oh I know. But actually,

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<v Speaker 1>some of the best hibernators are guess what, I bet

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<v Speaker 1>you won't guess this is where I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Which which species? Yeah, oh my goodness, some of the best, oh, raccoons.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good guess. But it's wrong because obviously I

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<v Speaker 1>love to do this, just spring a question on my

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<v Speaker 1>guests because it makes me feel so smugly superior because

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<v Speaker 1>I have all the answers written down. So some of

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<v Speaker 1>the best hibernators are bats, which is surprising, right, So

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<v Speaker 1>big brown bats in the wild can hibernate for around

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<v Speaker 1>sixty days, but in captivity, one of these guys broke

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<v Speaker 1>the record at three hundred and forty four days.

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<v Speaker 2>That's almost an entire year.

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<v Speaker 1>That's almost an entire year. It was. This is actually

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<v Speaker 1>a little sad. It was kept in a refrigerator in

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<v Speaker 1>a lab environment to see how long it would hibernate,

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<v Speaker 1>and it eventually died of starvation. Like cool scientists like

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<v Speaker 1>once he like got to three hundred forty four days,

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<v Speaker 1>you couldn't just be like, all right, buddy, that's long enough, like,

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<v Speaker 1>wake up, let's get you some nachas.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. That's horrible, I know, but sciences people dding sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sometimes a little gruesome. Yeah. So the for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of bout species, the heart rate can go from

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand beats per minute when they're actively flying to

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<v Speaker 1>only about twenty five. And some species of bats only

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<v Speaker 1>need to take a breath every forty five minutes or

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<v Speaker 1>even up to two hours during hibernation. Wild that's it's

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<v Speaker 1>they're like almost you wouldn't be able. You would think

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<v Speaker 1>here's a dead bat, but it's not. The North American

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<v Speaker 1>red bat can lower its body temperature to freezing point

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<v Speaker 1>and can even survive its body tissues freezing, do in

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<v Speaker 1>part to its thick fur, extremely a low heart rate,

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<v Speaker 1>and its high red blood cell count, which is really crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's I think one of the only mammals I know

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<v Speaker 1>of that can really just kind of shake off having

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<v Speaker 1>tissue frozen like that without getting frostbite.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I certainly can't. If I go outside and

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<v Speaker 2>it's lower than fifty degrees, forget about it.

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<v Speaker 1>The first thing that happens to me when it gets

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<v Speaker 1>cold is my nose just starts running like a faucet

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<v Speaker 1>just streams and streams of like fluid and snot. I

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<v Speaker 1>used to live on the East Coast and then it'd

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<v Speaker 1>be great. You know, you go out and it's snowing,

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<v Speaker 1>it's beautiful, and it's like, oh, I got to take

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<v Speaker 1>a photo of me in the snow, and I turn

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<v Speaker 1>the camera around. I'm just just streaming every hole in

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<v Speaker 1>my face, streaming with fluid. Yeah, yeah, like you like

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<v Speaker 1>your because like the wind, it's like your eyeballs freeze over.

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<v Speaker 1>Does that happen to anyone else because it did to me?

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean, yeah, I cannot withstand any amount

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<v Speaker 1>of cold.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're so good for those bats.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that they've really I'm just so it's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>shocking to me that bats. I don't even really you

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<v Speaker 1>don't think of bats as the traditional winter animal. But

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<v Speaker 1>they're really good, really good hibernators. So proud, so proud.

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<v Speaker 1>So why don't humans hibernate? The most obvious reason is

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<v Speaker 1>that our ancestors didn't originally evolve in the frigid tundra,

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<v Speaker 1>so primates don't generally need to hibernate. But it's not

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<v Speaker 1>unheard of for primate to hibernate. Like I mentioned before,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the only types of primates who truly hibernates

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<v Speaker 1>are dwarf lemur species in Madagascar. The only other primate

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<v Speaker 1>known to hibernate is the pygmy slow loris, a tiny

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<v Speaker 1>primate from Southeast Asia who can inter states of tour

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<v Speaker 1>for up to sixty three hours at a time. But

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<v Speaker 1>these regions in Madagascar and Southeast Asia only drop to

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<v Speaker 1>about forty degrees in the winter, certainly not as cold

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<v Speaker 1>as the frigid areas where animals generally hibernate. So why

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<v Speaker 1>do these small primitive primates do it. It's speculated that

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<v Speaker 1>hibernation for small animals not only protects them from the colder,

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<v Speaker 1>harsher climate during the winter, but to stay hidden away

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<v Speaker 1>from predators who may be seeking to pack on extra calories.

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<v Speaker 1>This may be another reason why humans don't need to hibernate.

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<v Speaker 1>While we certainly have needed to fear some predators in

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<v Speaker 1>our evolutionary history, our line of primates are larger, with

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<v Speaker 1>more ways to defend ourselves than to bundle up and

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<v Speaker 1>hide away, and when we started to migrate into colder regions,

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<v Speaker 1>we already had our big, nerdy human brains to figure

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<v Speaker 1>out other ways to adapt to the cold. But maybe

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<v Speaker 1>in the future humans will need to hibernate, like when

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<v Speaker 1>we start to become space explorers. NASA is teaming up

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<v Speaker 1>with Professor of Pharmacology and anesthesiologist doctor Rob Hitting to

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<v Speaker 1>explore ways to induce hibernation in humans. After all, animals

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<v Speaker 1>can hibernate without losing too much muscle tone due to

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<v Speaker 1>how they slow their metabolism down. This would be of

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<v Speaker 1>great use to space station dwellers who often must compensate

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<v Speaker 1>for their weightlessness with exercises, which still doesn't make up

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<v Speaker 1>for their loss in muscle tone and bone mass. So

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<v Speaker 1>figuring out how to copy the animals technique for hibernating

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<v Speaker 1>would be great for astronauts. Or hear me out alternative idea,

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<v Speaker 1>Bears in Space. Bears in Space. When we return, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>check out some Arctic adapters who go through a spectacular

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<v Speaker 1>wardrobe change that's even more dazzling than those ugly holiday sweaters.

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<v Speaker 1>Imagine it's the dead of winter and you're snugly tucked

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<v Speaker 1>in a remote cottage that your pee Paul left you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a quaint old home, all snowed in, but You've

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<v Speaker 1>got hot cocoa and cans of your favorite type of beans,

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<v Speaker 1>so you're all set for winter. You're in your life,

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<v Speaker 1>little fur lined bed, all cozy and comfortable. You think

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<v Speaker 1>back to your time with the local villagers who warned

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<v Speaker 1>you to be quiet when you go home to your

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<v Speaker 1>pea pause old cottage for a terrifying invisible beast roams

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<v Speaker 1>these snow covered hills and kills anything that dares breathe

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<v Speaker 1>too loudly. You chuckle to yourself. These villagers are probably

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<v Speaker 1>bored and have a bit of cabin fever to invent

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<v Speaker 1>such a ridiculous monster. But as you're drifting off to sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>you hear a weird sound, a soft crunching, like the

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<v Speaker 1>snow over your roof is being gently pressed upon Santa's reindeer. Perhaps.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you hear a muffled sound, as if someone's making

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<v Speaker 1>snow angels on the roof. You start to get a

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<v Speaker 1>little nervous and think back to what the villagers said.

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<v Speaker 1>You hold your breath, trying not to make a sound.

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<v Speaker 1>You hear a scraping and what sounds like a huge

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<v Speaker 1>vacuum sucking up snow. Then silence, just the soft pattering

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<v Speaker 1>of snowfall. It's been several minutes, so finally you exhale.

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<v Speaker 1>That's when suddenly boom, the whole house shakes, and then

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<v Speaker 1>again boom boom, until finally crash, a huge face instead

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<v Speaker 1>of jaws crashes through the ceiling. You've just been the

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<v Speaker 1>victim of one of the cutest Arctic adapters, the Arctic fox.

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<v Speaker 1>Awh terrifying, so for humans, of course, there are no threat.

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<v Speaker 1>They're about eighteen to twenty five inches long, not including

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<v Speaker 1>the tail, and about seven to seventeen pounds, so like

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<v Speaker 1>a little doggie, and like you probably guessed it, it

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<v Speaker 1>lives in the Arctic. They live in burrows and snow tunnels,

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<v Speaker 1>and they can survive temperatures as low as negative fifty

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<v Speaker 1>eight degrees fahrenheit. That's pretty chilly, pretty cold, yep. Their

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<v Speaker 1>coats change from being tan and brown in the summer

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<v Speaker 1>to fluffy white in the winter, and the coats help

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<v Speaker 1>them keep warm and camouflaged, both in terms of hunting

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<v Speaker 1>and from being hunted because they too have predators, so

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<v Speaker 1>their huge fluffy tail is used to wrap themselves up

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<v Speaker 1>like a blanket. It's very cute. They're omnivores and will

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<v Speaker 1>eat berries and scraps that they find. They're very opportunistic

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<v Speaker 1>because they have to be. They live in such a

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<v Speaker 1>hostile environment. They'll even store bird eggs in their dens

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<v Speaker 1>as snacks for later. So food can be very scarce

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<v Speaker 1>in the tundra, and they will sometimes tail after polar

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<v Speaker 1>bears and eat their leftovers. And they can travel up

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<v Speaker 1>to sixty miles a day and search for food, which

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I've ever walked even like more than

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<v Speaker 1>two miles for food.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that, Yeah, that is quite a distance. Are

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<v Speaker 2>polar bears one of their predators or yeah? No, okay, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they have to worry about polar bears.

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<v Speaker 1>They basically have to worry about anything, even like red

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<v Speaker 1>foxes will hunt them sometimes. Okay, yeah, they they're you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not the They're not the big big kid on the block,

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<v Speaker 1>I would say. But yeah, as long as they give

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<v Speaker 1>the polar bears their space, and the polar bears like

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<v Speaker 1>bigger kills, then they'll just eat the scraps the leftovers.

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<v Speaker 1>Got it. So when winter intensifies and there are no

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<v Speaker 1>scraps to scavenge, they have to become killers themselves. So

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<v Speaker 1>their big ears have such sensitive hearing that they can

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<v Speaker 1>listen for tiny rodents mainly limmings, deep under the snow

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<v Speaker 1>and find their exact location. So once a rodent is located,

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<v Speaker 1>they can dig into the snow, or even more excitingly,

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<v Speaker 1>they like to spring up and then dive into the snow.

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<v Speaker 2>And fifteen videos.

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<v Speaker 3>It's very cute.

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<v Speaker 1>You want to look at one right now. Yes, it's

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<v Speaker 1>really funny because they hop right up and then just

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<v Speaker 1>faceplant right into the snow.

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<v Speaker 2>But then do before that, they do a little like

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<v Speaker 2>toe touch.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they're doing a little digging because they they've found

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<v Speaker 1>their location and the snow can be really hard and icy,

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<v Speaker 1>so they're trying to break through down into the burrow.

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<v Speaker 1>So they do big hop.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, oh, that was a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>If the snow's too soft, they can get kind of

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<v Speaker 1>stuck and they kick their little legs in the air,

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<v Speaker 1>and if it's too hard, they'll just like bounce off

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<v Speaker 1>of it. So they have to get pretty good at determining,

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<v Speaker 1>like where's the best place to dive in sure, otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>it gets really embarrassing their butts just right in the

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<v Speaker 1>air and they're flailing around. But when they get it,

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<v Speaker 1>when they get it right, they can snatch a little

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<v Speaker 1>limming right out of its bed.

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<v Speaker 2>Also, I had no idea that lemmings were real things

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<v Speaker 2>until just now. I thought they were just that little

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<v Speaker 2>that computer game.

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<v Speaker 1>Now they're real, although they don't all run off of

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<v Speaker 1>a cliff at the same time. That's see, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>myth perpetrated by the evil documentarian industry. So yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>looks like ritualistic face planting. It's extremely cute, and they

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<v Speaker 1>can smell limming popsicles two feet under the snow. So

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<v Speaker 1>what's I think is interesting is people usually see the

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<v Speaker 1>Arctic fox when they're completely fluffy in their white winter coat,

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<v Speaker 1>but they don't see them between seasons as much. And

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<v Speaker 1>it's very funny. Yeah, I don't know what that looks like.

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<v Speaker 1>So let me show you. Here's the fox with those

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<v Speaker 1>body patches of his coat growing in. Looks a little scraggly,

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<v Speaker 1>oh but.

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<v Speaker 2>Still cute, still very very patchy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And then here here he is shedding the coat.

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<v Speaker 2>He supposed to be like springtime.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, this is shot in springtime. It kind of

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<v Speaker 1>looks like, what would you say, it looks like, oh,

0:25:34.119 --> 0:25:37.200
<v Speaker 1>good grief. It does look like good grief.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's just like I'm trying to think of like

0:25:41.440 --> 0:25:45.479
<v Speaker 2>what like maybe like Jack Nicholson, as he's like getting

0:25:46.119 --> 0:25:49.119
<v Speaker 2>as he's you know, getting up there in age, I

0:25:49.200 --> 0:25:50.720
<v Speaker 2>was looking a bit haggard and.

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<v Speaker 1>Bits are falling off of him. Yeah, sort of an

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<v Speaker 1>in sort of chunks. Yeah, yeah, no, I see that.

0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:01.520
<v Speaker 1>I do see that. But still cute in some sort

0:26:01.520 --> 0:26:07.600
<v Speaker 1>of ineffable way. So other animals obviously change their coats

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:12.800
<v Speaker 1>during the winter as well, including snowshoe hairs, stoats, purie caribou,

0:26:12.920 --> 0:26:16.959
<v Speaker 1>and the snowy owl. And one thing that's interesting is

0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:19.399
<v Speaker 1>kind of like how do you think, like how do

0:26:19.480 --> 0:26:22.120
<v Speaker 1>they do this? Like it it seems magical that they

0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:26.000
<v Speaker 1>know every winter just to change their coat. So one

0:26:26.040 --> 0:26:29.560
<v Speaker 1>thing is that the fur itself isn't changing color like

0:26:29.600 --> 0:26:34.200
<v Speaker 1>once it's already grown, because basic hair fur like once

0:26:34.240 --> 0:26:36.639
<v Speaker 1>it's already grown, it's not that part of it is

0:26:36.680 --> 0:26:41.360
<v Speaker 1>not really alive anymore. So it's the hair follicles themselves

0:26:41.400 --> 0:26:44.159
<v Speaker 1>that are changing at that level, so they have to

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<v Speaker 1>grow a totally new coat. So similar to animals that

0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:52.280
<v Speaker 1>undergo hibernation, they have a body clock that triggers hormonal

0:26:52.359 --> 0:26:56.600
<v Speaker 1>changes that causes the change in growth of denser white

0:26:56.680 --> 0:27:01.360
<v Speaker 1>coats from the follicular level. And so that's why between

0:27:01.520 --> 0:27:05.520
<v Speaker 1>seasons you see these kind of Jack Nicholson esque patchy

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<v Speaker 1>with the with the weird little little tufts of white

0:27:10.200 --> 0:27:12.920
<v Speaker 1>hair growing in or and then like in the springtime,

0:27:13.040 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 1>they shed it, so it all comes out in these

0:27:14.800 --> 0:27:18.360
<v Speaker 1>big tufts and I think it's to me really cute,

0:27:18.720 --> 0:27:21.200
<v Speaker 1>just like they look like they ran through a chicken coop,

0:27:21.280 --> 0:27:24.720
<v Speaker 1>but then they got sticky and then all covered in feathers.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, that's a great description.

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:31.840
<v Speaker 1>But there is an animal that also has a coat change.

0:27:31.920 --> 0:27:33.959
<v Speaker 1>I don't think you'd ever guess what it is and

0:27:34.000 --> 0:27:37.080
<v Speaker 1>the method that it does it is really crazy. So

0:27:37.640 --> 0:27:42.680
<v Speaker 1>bluega whales actually molt their skin every summer, and their

0:27:42.800 --> 0:27:45.760
<v Speaker 1>skin over time will become a little more yellow and

0:27:45.800 --> 0:27:48.560
<v Speaker 1>a little more marred. And that's not good for wanting

0:27:48.600 --> 0:27:51.440
<v Speaker 1>to blend in with the ice. Especially in the winter,

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:58.120
<v Speaker 1>as you know, they're surrounded by these icy icebergs, and

0:27:58.760 --> 0:28:03.160
<v Speaker 1>they actually do more and they in order to get

0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:06.440
<v Speaker 1>that old layer of skin to come off, they have

0:28:06.680 --> 0:28:10.560
<v Speaker 1>a spa day or multiple spot days. Treat yourself, treat

0:28:10.600 --> 0:28:14.160
<v Speaker 1>yourself self care. Believe us know about self care.

0:28:14.720 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 2>I could take a lesson from a blugal way.

0:28:16.760 --> 0:28:20.040
<v Speaker 1>We really all could. They're great. We we talked about

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:22.439
<v Speaker 1>them on a previous episode. They are one of the

0:28:22.440 --> 0:28:25.480
<v Speaker 1>only whales who can actually swivel their heads freely. Oh,

0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:29.160
<v Speaker 1>which means that they can communicate by looking at each

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:34.240
<v Speaker 1>other and using expressions more than other whales. Yeah. So,

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<v Speaker 1>I just I love because now I'm imagining them like

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:40.880
<v Speaker 1>kind of filing down their back and just like throwing

0:28:40.920 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 1>their head back and looking really content.

0:28:42.560 --> 0:28:44.720
<v Speaker 2>Which it's an herbal Essence commercial.

0:28:44.840 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh my god. They would be so good in an

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:48.600
<v Speaker 1>rbal Essence commercial, like.

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:54.600
<v Speaker 2>You know, just like, yeah, tell me about it.

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:59.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, they will rub their bodies on gravel or

0:28:59.320 --> 0:29:03.520
<v Speaker 1>river sand help exfoliate the outer layer of skin, and

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:07.280
<v Speaker 1>this reveals that icy white skin underneath that will blend

0:29:07.320 --> 0:29:12.640
<v Speaker 1>in better with their surroundings. And yeah, I just I wanna.

0:29:13.320 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 1>I would love to join Belugas on a spa A

0:29:16.280 --> 0:29:19.320
<v Speaker 1>Now I don't My objective wouldn't be to look more

0:29:19.520 --> 0:29:23.040
<v Speaker 1>icy white than I already am with all my blue

0:29:23.120 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 1>veins popping.

0:29:23.920 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Out everywhere, right, I mean it sounds just being exfoliated

0:29:28.640 --> 0:29:31.880
<v Speaker 2>feels nice, you know, I do an apricot scrub on

0:29:31.920 --> 0:29:35.440
<v Speaker 2>my face sometimes, yeah, and then you know, you leave

0:29:35.520 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 2>the shower feeling refreshed and right rejuvenated.

0:29:39.080 --> 0:29:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I get it. There are certain skin exfoliating products

0:29:43.440 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 1>that advertise that you'll see the like pilled up layers

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:50.520
<v Speaker 1>of skin just slough off your body. And it's that's

0:29:50.560 --> 0:29:53.800
<v Speaker 1>an extreme level. That is a dedication to the exfoliation

0:29:53.920 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 1>that I feel like Belugas would really appreciate.

0:29:56.080 --> 0:29:57.400
<v Speaker 2>True, Like if you.

0:29:57.360 --> 0:30:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Can't see your skin kind of coming up and umps, like,

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:04.000
<v Speaker 1>is it really exfoliation? Yeah, I don't know.

0:30:04.360 --> 0:30:08.320
<v Speaker 3>Extreme extreme body Yeah.

0:30:08.400 --> 0:30:11.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I went to a spa where they offered that

0:30:11.880 --> 0:30:15.400
<v Speaker 1>treatment where apparently they just really scrub you down until

0:30:15.440 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 1>you're raw and like get all the dead skin off.

0:30:18.080 --> 0:30:20.200
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, you know what, my dead skin

0:30:20.280 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 1>can hang around a little while longer, that's.

0:30:22.000 --> 0:30:25.080
<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, with some of its staying.

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:27.000
<v Speaker 1>You know what, you know what, it'll leave when it

0:30:27.040 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 1>wants to leave. Right Throughout human history, we've had to

0:30:33.920 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 1>figure out how to adapt to the coldness of winter,

0:30:36.760 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 1>and in some cases camouflage ourselves against the snow. But

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:44.800
<v Speaker 1>that big white winter blanket presents another problem, snow blindness.

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:49.400
<v Speaker 1>Snow blindness also known as photocare titus, is damaged to

0:30:49.480 --> 0:30:52.120
<v Speaker 1>the eyes caused by U V rays from the sun,

0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:56.680
<v Speaker 1>sort of like an eyeball sunburn. It's painful and it

0:30:56.720 --> 0:31:00.720
<v Speaker 1>can cause temporary loss and vision. When sun light reflects

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:04.880
<v Speaker 1>off snow, eighty percent of UV radiation is reflected back.

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:08.560
<v Speaker 1>That's a nifty reminder to always wear sunscreen and sunglasses

0:31:08.600 --> 0:31:11.280
<v Speaker 1>even in the winter. But how did we cope with

0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:15.800
<v Speaker 1>snow blindness before we had sunglasses like in prehistoric times? Well,

0:31:15.960 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 1>short answer, we actually did have sunglasses. Prehistoric people who

0:31:20.120 --> 0:31:23.640
<v Speaker 1>lived in the Arctic Circle invented snow goggles over four

0:31:23.760 --> 0:31:28.320
<v Speaker 1>thousand years ago. These goggles were carved from bone antlers

0:31:28.400 --> 0:31:32.400
<v Speaker 1>or walrus ivory. Later they could be carved from driftwood.

0:31:32.960 --> 0:31:36.720
<v Speaker 1>They were carved to fit the wearer's eyes with a thin, long,

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:40.200
<v Speaker 1>horizontal slit to see out of. This slit allowed the

0:31:40.240 --> 0:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>wear to see while minimizing the amount of reflected UV

0:31:43.680 --> 0:31:47.120
<v Speaker 1>light from entering the eye. Sometimes a black soot was

0:31:47.200 --> 0:31:50.480
<v Speaker 1>rubbed inside the goggles to cut down on glare. In

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 1>some ways, these goggles remained superior to modern goggles as

0:31:54.600 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 1>they don't ice over in harsh conditions. That's why these goggles.

0:31:58.440 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 1>The first ever sunglasses, remained a vital piece of equipment

0:32:01.880 --> 0:32:04.719
<v Speaker 1>for people of the Arctic Circle for thousands of years,

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:08.560
<v Speaker 1>and though they weren't necessarily designed to be fashionable, they

0:32:08.560 --> 0:32:12.240
<v Speaker 1>look pretty dang cool too. Speaking of cool, when we return,

0:32:12.320 --> 0:32:14.920
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk about how some animals survive being turned into

0:32:15.040 --> 0:32:25.320
<v Speaker 1>living popsicles. When Jack frost nips at your toes, sometimes

0:32:25.360 --> 0:32:28.600
<v Speaker 1>he bites off a whole chunk. Frostbite is damaged to

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:32.680
<v Speaker 1>the tissues, usually on extremities, such as fingers, toes, and noses,

0:32:33.080 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 1>as a result of being exposed to extreme low temperatures.

0:32:37.080 --> 0:32:40.640
<v Speaker 1>While frostbite may not seem like a great coping strategy,

0:32:40.720 --> 0:32:44.400
<v Speaker 1>the fact that your extremities suffer frostbite first is caused

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 1>in part by your body's last ditch effort to save itself.

0:32:47.600 --> 0:32:51.680
<v Speaker 1>In freezing temperatures, the blood vessels throughout the body narrow,

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:55.920
<v Speaker 1>which is called vasoconstriction. This prevents heat from escaping out

0:32:55.920 --> 0:32:59.120
<v Speaker 1>your extremities, keeping it inside towards the more vital parts

0:32:59.120 --> 0:33:02.760
<v Speaker 1>of your body, such as your brain, guts, and chest. Normally,

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:06.600
<v Speaker 1>this only results in cold, maybe slightly painful fingers and toes,

0:33:06.920 --> 0:33:09.360
<v Speaker 1>But if you don't warm up soon the process of

0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:13.680
<v Speaker 1>frost bite will begin. First comes frost nip, where the

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:18.040
<v Speaker 1>extremities start to lose feeling and go unnaturally pale. Blood

0:33:18.080 --> 0:33:20.560
<v Speaker 1>flow to the outer parts of your body is reduced

0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:22.600
<v Speaker 1>to the point where the tissues will start to become

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:26.320
<v Speaker 1>damaged if not warmed up soon enough. Frost nip can

0:33:26.360 --> 0:33:28.880
<v Speaker 1>even result in a sunburn like injury due to the

0:33:28.920 --> 0:33:32.080
<v Speaker 1>surface of the skin being frozen off, but this is

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:35.280
<v Speaker 1>not as concerning as frost bite. If you don't warm

0:33:35.320 --> 0:33:38.280
<v Speaker 1>your fingers and toes in time, your tissues will fall

0:33:38.280 --> 0:33:41.600
<v Speaker 1>below freezing point and ice crystals start to form in

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:46.280
<v Speaker 1>the cells. Ice crystals, biologically speaking, are ticking time bombs

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 1>for cells, either destroying them during the freezing process itself

0:33:50.320 --> 0:33:52.800
<v Speaker 1>or causing the cells to rupture when they start to thaw.

0:33:53.360 --> 0:33:56.239
<v Speaker 1>This is why frost bite must be treated carefully and

0:33:56.280 --> 0:33:58.720
<v Speaker 1>not warmed up too fast, or the damage will be

0:33:58.760 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 1>even more severe. Frostbite can range in superficial damage and

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:05.800
<v Speaker 1>blisters to the skin to the loss of entire digits

0:34:05.880 --> 0:34:08.480
<v Speaker 1>or body parts if muscle and other tissues are affected.

0:34:09.160 --> 0:34:12.600
<v Speaker 1>Humans aren't really built to endure being frozen, but some

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:17.839
<v Speaker 1>animals cope with being popsicles surprisingly well. So I know

0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 1>that we have a lot of hopes that Walt Disney's

0:34:20.560 --> 0:34:22.840
<v Speaker 1>frozen head could be brought back to life if you

0:34:22.880 --> 0:34:26.319
<v Speaker 1>on thought. Of course, Walt Disney's head wasn't frozen. Don't

0:34:26.360 --> 0:34:30.319
<v Speaker 1>see it anyways. One of the problems with cryogenics and

0:34:30.400 --> 0:34:36.000
<v Speaker 1>humans is, sure, you could freeze a body, but unthawing

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 1>it is really difficult to do without those ice crystals,

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:41.640
<v Speaker 1>just like rupturing the cells due to the nature that

0:34:41.680 --> 0:34:44.520
<v Speaker 1>the cells will contain liquid and then if the liquid

0:34:45.040 --> 0:34:49.480
<v Speaker 1>density changes, that can just burst open the cell. But

0:34:50.000 --> 0:34:52.120
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're not the only animals on Earth, and

0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:57.080
<v Speaker 1>some animals actually manage this fabulously well. So wood frogs

0:34:57.200 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 1>we've actually talked about on the show in our Eat,

0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:03.839
<v Speaker 1>Prey Die episode. But I think they bear another mention

0:35:04.320 --> 0:35:07.640
<v Speaker 1>because they can remain frozen at zero degrees fahrenheit for

0:35:07.760 --> 0:35:12.560
<v Speaker 1>up to seven months. Yeah. They're found all over North America,

0:35:12.600 --> 0:35:16.359
<v Speaker 1>including in boreal forests. They're this little brown frog. They're

0:35:16.480 --> 0:35:19.080
<v Speaker 1>very unassuming looking. They don't look like some kind of

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:23.359
<v Speaker 1>science fiction Star Wars blue you know, Baby Yoda thing. Sure,

0:35:25.160 --> 0:35:28.719
<v Speaker 1>and they go through a process of partially freezing then

0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:32.759
<v Speaker 1>rethawing over and over again until the glucose levels and

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:36.080
<v Speaker 1>their cell and their cells rise to an abnormal degree

0:35:36.160 --> 0:35:40.600
<v Speaker 1>and glucose which is also you know, sugars can actually

0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:43.359
<v Speaker 1>act as an anti freeze. Now that doesn't mean you

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:45.720
<v Speaker 1>can like eat a bunch of sugar and then survive

0:35:45.760 --> 0:35:49.840
<v Speaker 1>being frozen. But these frogs, by introducing the high glucose

0:35:49.920 --> 0:35:52.840
<v Speaker 1>levels inside each of their cells, will protect the cells

0:35:52.840 --> 0:35:56.759
<v Speaker 1>from the freezing process, keeping water inside the cells, which

0:35:56.840 --> 0:36:01.680
<v Speaker 1>keeps them alive and in suspended animation. So like the

0:36:01.760 --> 0:36:05.879
<v Speaker 1>wood frogs become so frozen, they're like literally like a rock,

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:08.960
<v Speaker 1>you could throw it against the brick wall and they'd

0:36:09.000 --> 0:36:10.760
<v Speaker 1>shout something I do every Friday.

0:36:11.120 --> 0:36:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know Thursdays are blood. Thursdays are against the

0:36:14.680 --> 0:36:15.160
<v Speaker 2>brick wall.

0:36:15.360 --> 0:36:18.640
<v Speaker 1>Friday is smashing frozen frogs against it. I mean it

0:36:18.800 --> 0:36:21.359
<v Speaker 1>is like we all need ways.

0:36:21.040 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 2>To blow off steam, exactly.

0:36:23.040 --> 0:36:25.960
<v Speaker 1>And if blowing off steam means shattering a bunch of

0:36:26.080 --> 0:36:29.359
<v Speaker 1>frozen wood frogs, I mean I'm not going to judge that.

0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:33.200
<v Speaker 1>I think I would, but right, I mean I blow

0:36:33.239 --> 0:36:36.400
<v Speaker 1>off steam by like, you know, making things out of clay,

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:40.719
<v Speaker 1>so that's much less violent making pottery. Yeah, you know,

0:36:41.400 --> 0:36:42.560
<v Speaker 1>Smashing Frogs.

0:36:43.440 --> 0:36:47.200
<v Speaker 3>It's all the same thing, right, it's it's therapeutic self care.

0:36:47.400 --> 0:36:51.799
<v Speaker 2>Yes, is what you should do.

0:36:51.960 --> 0:36:53.960
<v Speaker 1>I want to have a spot day with Belugas and

0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:59.120
<v Speaker 1>then we could have great fun just smashing Frozen Frogs.

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:02.880
<v Speaker 2>Is the all alternative rock band, Smashing.

0:37:02.480 --> 0:37:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Frogs right now, right.

0:37:06.920 --> 0:37:08.960
<v Speaker 2>I play the clarinet, so I don't know if you

0:37:09.000 --> 0:37:10.000
<v Speaker 2>bring any instruments to this.

0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:14.120
<v Speaker 3>I sort of play the ukulele badly, okay, I mean

0:37:14.160 --> 0:37:16.840
<v Speaker 3>I have played clarinet in like twenty years, so I

0:37:16.960 --> 0:37:18.040
<v Speaker 3>don't remember it.

0:37:18.239 --> 0:37:20.840
<v Speaker 1>I think we have a band. I think it's banned.

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 1>That's banned. We did it, yes, yes, Smashing Frogs the band.

0:37:24.840 --> 0:37:29.600
<v Speaker 1>We did it. Clarinet and ukulele neither very good, but

0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:30.680
<v Speaker 1>it is banned now.

0:37:30.840 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 2>It is banned.

0:37:32.280 --> 0:37:38.200
<v Speaker 1>So there's another contender for the best animal at enduring popsicleness,

0:37:38.719 --> 0:37:42.759
<v Speaker 1>which is the Siberian salamander. So this is found in

0:37:43.160 --> 0:37:47.719
<v Speaker 1>well Siberia and Northeast Asia in wet woods, so that's

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:50.880
<v Speaker 1>like wooded areas where you have ponds and such, so

0:37:51.200 --> 0:37:55.160
<v Speaker 1>they can survive being frozen at negative twenty two degrees fahrenheit,

0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:58.800
<v Speaker 1>but for shorter periods of time. So that's a colder

0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:02.759
<v Speaker 1>temperature than the woods, but they can't last quite as long.

0:38:03.200 --> 0:38:05.920
<v Speaker 1>They can last up to forty five days, but they

0:38:06.040 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 1>also have a lower survival rate, so they're sort of

0:38:08.560 --> 0:38:10.400
<v Speaker 1>the more risk takers.

0:38:11.440 --> 0:38:13.839
<v Speaker 2>So it is the idea that like ponds that they

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:16.759
<v Speaker 2>live in will like freeze over and then they'll but

0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:19.080
<v Speaker 2>they'll survive like within the frozen.

0:38:18.800 --> 0:38:20.560
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, be frozen in the permafrost.

0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, got it.

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:26.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So though there are stories of these salamanders surviving

0:38:26.239 --> 0:38:29.040
<v Speaker 1>being frozen in permafrost for years and waking up like,

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:33.080
<v Speaker 1>those haven't really been confirmed scientifically. It kind of seems

0:38:33.200 --> 0:38:37.280
<v Speaker 1>unlikely given that laboratory research shows they can only survive

0:38:37.360 --> 0:38:42.759
<v Speaker 1>like forty five days. But I guess it's technically possible.

0:38:42.840 --> 0:38:45.040
<v Speaker 1>I just don't I'm pretty doubtful.

0:38:45.520 --> 0:38:47.759
<v Speaker 3>But like they're Let's put a Siberian find out, right,

0:38:47.840 --> 0:38:51.000
<v Speaker 3>Let's put a bunch of Siberian salamanders like in the

0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:52.319
<v Speaker 3>snow and.

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<v Speaker 1>See how they do. Yeah, and sit there for you know,

0:38:55.960 --> 0:38:59.520
<v Speaker 1>several years, several years. Yeah, I can't wait. I mean,

0:38:59.640 --> 0:39:03.280
<v Speaker 1>if if we have enough water balloons full of blood

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 1>and enough frozen frogs and our beluga friends, then you know,

0:39:06.360 --> 0:39:10.279
<v Speaker 1>we'll be fine to be said. So now I want

0:39:10.320 --> 0:39:14.400
<v Speaker 1>to talk about painted turtles. So these are pretty red

0:39:14.440 --> 0:39:17.320
<v Speaker 1>and yellow streaked turtles that are found in North America

0:39:17.880 --> 0:39:21.360
<v Speaker 1>and they live on land and in freshwater aquatic environments.

0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:26.520
<v Speaker 1>And painted turtles don't hibernate. They brumate because they're reptiles

0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:32.840
<v Speaker 1>and I am a really pedantic person. So they breathe

0:39:32.920 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 1>through their asses during winter to survive. Tell me more, Ah,

0:39:37.000 --> 0:39:40.240
<v Speaker 1>this is my favorite part. When their ponds freeze over,

0:39:40.840 --> 0:39:43.720
<v Speaker 1>they can't rise to the surface to take a breath,

0:39:43.920 --> 0:39:47.439
<v Speaker 1>which seems like a pretty bad problem to have when

0:39:47.440 --> 0:39:49.640
<v Speaker 1>you need to breathe, because you know they're not fish.

0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:53.440
<v Speaker 1>So since they can't breathe using their lungs, they'll use

0:39:53.480 --> 0:39:58.200
<v Speaker 1>their little buttholes. And actually a turtle's butthole is a kloaca,

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:02.759
<v Speaker 1>and a kloaca is the all purpose butt of reptiles, birds, amphibians,

0:40:02.800 --> 0:40:05.960
<v Speaker 1>and sharks, and also monotremes such as platypus. They all

0:40:06.000 --> 0:40:09.280
<v Speaker 1>have cloaca. The kloaca is the whole that can do everything.

0:40:09.840 --> 0:40:13.719
<v Speaker 1>So it can it can excrete, poop and urine. It

0:40:13.800 --> 0:40:20.120
<v Speaker 1>can reproduce, It houses the reproductive organs, it can lay eggs,

0:40:20.520 --> 0:40:23.080
<v Speaker 1>it's just it's like Nustave.

0:40:24.160 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Triple threat. Yes, yes, for disgusting things that bodies do.

0:40:29.480 --> 0:40:31.120
<v Speaker 1>It's the omnihole omni hoole.

0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:31.560
<v Speaker 2>Yes.

0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:35.600
<v Speaker 1>So the blood vessels around the cloaca are able to

0:40:35.880 --> 0:40:42.239
<v Speaker 1>extract oxygen from water molecules, so they engage in chloachal respiration,

0:40:42.440 --> 0:40:46.040
<v Speaker 1>which is butt breathing, and their chloac is second oxygen

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:48.320
<v Speaker 1>from the water like butt gills.

0:40:48.480 --> 0:40:53.000
<v Speaker 2>Wow. Yeah, incredible. That's my favorite thing so far I've

0:40:53.040 --> 0:40:54.160
<v Speaker 2>learned today.

0:40:54.320 --> 0:40:57.520
<v Speaker 1>Yes, if we could just breathe with our butts a

0:40:57.520 --> 0:41:00.800
<v Speaker 1>little bit, you know, swimming would be so much easier

0:41:00.960 --> 0:41:06.040
<v Speaker 1>because your butt is usually submerged, right, extract the oxygen.

0:41:07.160 --> 0:41:10.560
<v Speaker 1>But you know, they used to try to save people

0:41:10.640 --> 0:41:15.280
<v Speaker 1>who were drowning victims by blowing smoke into their buttthole.

0:41:15.760 --> 0:41:18.800
<v Speaker 1>And that's like true, yes, and it's I mean, it's

0:41:18.840 --> 0:41:20.960
<v Speaker 1>true in that it happened. It's not true in that

0:41:21.000 --> 0:41:25.440
<v Speaker 1>it worn't help. But yeah, so that's where I think

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:28.399
<v Speaker 1>that's where the sayres showing smoke up my ass comes from,

0:41:28.960 --> 0:41:32.960
<v Speaker 1>because yeah, it's like it doesn't actually do anything, but

0:41:33.040 --> 0:41:36.799
<v Speaker 1>it's acting as if you're helping. So yeah, and it

0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:40.640
<v Speaker 1>was thought that this would revive someone suffering from drowning.

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 1>And I guess the only way it would work is

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:46.080
<v Speaker 1>just the surprise of someone blowing smoke up your butt

0:41:46.400 --> 0:41:50.399
<v Speaker 1>might kind of bring you back. But I don't think

0:41:50.560 --> 0:41:51.280
<v Speaker 1>there was any.

0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Actual How would that even work, Like you put a tube,

0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:58.200
<v Speaker 2>it would have like a special butt pipe.

0:41:58.239 --> 0:42:00.480
<v Speaker 1>I think that they stuck in the butt and then

0:42:00.520 --> 0:42:03.600
<v Speaker 1>blow smoke up the butt. Okay, I don't know why

0:42:03.640 --> 0:42:04.959
<v Speaker 1>they thought that would work.

0:42:05.040 --> 0:42:08.080
<v Speaker 2>I what era are we talking about here. It's just

0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:14.399
<v Speaker 2>like nineteen hundred, eighteen to early eighteen hundred. I think, yeah, yeah, yeah,

0:42:14.440 --> 0:42:16.640
<v Speaker 2>we don't know anything back then about it. No, No,

0:42:16.760 --> 0:42:17.120
<v Speaker 2>I do know.

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:20.440
<v Speaker 1>We were We thought we could just go in to

0:42:20.600 --> 0:42:23.880
<v Speaker 1>a human body and toss things around and see what happened.

0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:26.040
<v Speaker 2>Those were the days of like, yeah, you have like

0:42:26.120 --> 0:42:29.000
<v Speaker 2>seven types of bile in your body and everything else.

0:42:28.880 --> 0:42:31.799
<v Speaker 1>Right, let's put slugs in your eyes just, you know,

0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:34.760
<v Speaker 1>see what happens. I don't know. I don't know. I'm trying.

0:42:35.040 --> 0:42:38.800
<v Speaker 1>I am a I'm a medical doctor in seventeen fifty,

0:42:38.840 --> 0:42:39.680
<v Speaker 1>and I don't know.

0:42:39.920 --> 0:42:40.960
<v Speaker 2>No one knows.

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:46.759
<v Speaker 1>Let's let's breathe through our butts and just smash some

0:42:46.840 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 1>frozen frogs and maybe that'll cure your consumption. I don't know.

0:42:51.960 --> 0:42:57.719
<v Speaker 1>I am trying my best. My name is Hieronymous J. Fitzwelling,

0:42:57.880 --> 0:43:01.880
<v Speaker 1>and I am trying my best. Good name. Thank you.

0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:06.880
<v Speaker 1>Now I want to talk about something pretty cute. And

0:43:07.040 --> 0:43:09.720
<v Speaker 1>it is so like if you don't have the special

0:43:09.800 --> 0:43:12.960
<v Speaker 1>trick of breathing through your butt or being able to

0:43:13.000 --> 0:43:16.319
<v Speaker 1>be frozen solid, what do you do and how do

0:43:16.360 --> 0:43:19.320
<v Speaker 1>you evolve in a short period of time to survive

0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:22.800
<v Speaker 1>just freezing cold temperatures? So I want to talk about

0:43:23.040 --> 0:43:28.960
<v Speaker 1>wild Yakut horses. They are found in Yakushia in Siberia,

0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:33.480
<v Speaker 1>and they can survive temperatures as low as ninety negative

0:43:33.600 --> 0:43:38.799
<v Speaker 1>ninety four degrees fahrenheit. Wow, which is fairly cold, I

0:43:38.800 --> 0:43:44.040
<v Speaker 1>would say, so a little chili. So these are horses

0:43:44.080 --> 0:43:48.480
<v Speaker 1>that are thirteen hands. Now I'm not a horse girl.

0:43:49.120 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what hands are or what that means,

0:43:52.160 --> 0:43:55.719
<v Speaker 1>like if they have thirteen hands, what's going on? So

0:43:55.800 --> 0:43:59.200
<v Speaker 1>I looked it up. Apparently a hand is four inches

0:44:00.120 --> 0:44:04.280
<v Speaker 1>and the you measure it at the horse's highest point

0:44:04.360 --> 0:44:05.160
<v Speaker 1>of the withers.

0:44:05.840 --> 0:44:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh, the horse withers, horse withers. Of course.

0:44:08.280 --> 0:44:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Now I didn't know what withers were.

0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:11.960
<v Speaker 2>So I looked that up.

0:44:11.840 --> 0:44:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Too, and apparently the withers is the ridge between the

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:18.839
<v Speaker 1>shoulder blades of the horse. Okay, so you put your

0:44:18.920 --> 0:44:22.800
<v Speaker 1>hands on the withers. You have to have four inch hands.

0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:25.080
<v Speaker 1>I guess you put your hands.

0:44:25.920 --> 0:44:27.840
<v Speaker 2>My hands are exactly four inches.

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:29.800
<v Speaker 1>Why, I you'd be great at measuring horses.

0:44:29.840 --> 0:44:31.680
<v Speaker 2>Then a new career.

0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:37.600
<v Speaker 1>AD wanted someone with exactly four inch hands to measure horses.

0:44:39.120 --> 0:44:42.480
<v Speaker 1>So I guess that's like at it is four feet

0:44:42.520 --> 0:44:45.319
<v Speaker 1>tall at the highest point between the shoulders. Is what

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:46.399
<v Speaker 1>thirteen hands means?

0:44:46.520 --> 0:44:46.839
<v Speaker 2>I see.

0:44:46.840 --> 0:44:49.279
<v Speaker 1>Okay, you know, come over here, horse people, I just

0:44:49.320 --> 0:44:53.760
<v Speaker 1>want to talk to you for a second. Why why why? Yeah?

0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Because I think hands are only ever used to measure

0:44:57.640 --> 0:45:01.120
<v Speaker 2>specifically horses. I don't think any other and I mean

0:45:01.640 --> 0:45:04.320
<v Speaker 2>slide into my men. I might be wrong about this, but.

0:45:04.480 --> 0:45:06.919
<v Speaker 1>Do horses not like a tape measure? Do they get real?

0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:09.239
<v Speaker 1>Do they get angry at a tape measure? Is thus

0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:10.839
<v Speaker 1>why hands are necessary?

0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Desperate for human contact? I see they they just don't

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:15.120
<v Speaker 2>it's too informal.

0:45:15.200 --> 0:45:19.320
<v Speaker 1>They want the laying of the hands. They want evangelicals exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>The most important fact about these Yakut horses is that

0:45:25.120 --> 0:45:29.520
<v Speaker 1>they are super super, super duper fluffy. They are so fluffy.

0:45:29.560 --> 0:45:34.360
<v Speaker 1>They are the fluffiest horses you see. Well, good news.

0:45:34.640 --> 0:45:35.600
<v Speaker 2>Have you got pictures?

0:45:35.719 --> 0:45:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I do. They're so poofy there. They look like if you,

0:45:41.120 --> 0:45:44.200
<v Speaker 1>I guess, if you put a horse, a long haired

0:45:44.239 --> 0:45:47.160
<v Speaker 1>horse in the dryer and just like it came out

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:50.080
<v Speaker 1>and it was just a poofball. You know, like in

0:45:50.120 --> 0:45:53.279
<v Speaker 1>the cartoons where something that's not supposed to be put

0:45:53.280 --> 0:45:55.080
<v Speaker 1>in a dryer comes out of a dryer and it's

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:57.640
<v Speaker 1>just a little poofball. Yeah, yeah, it's just like this.

0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:00.680
<v Speaker 1>They're so fluffy. I just want to dive my face

0:46:00.760 --> 0:46:03.360
<v Speaker 1>right in there. I'll put my hands on this horse.

0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:05.280
<v Speaker 2>I bet your hands would disappear into.

0:46:05.120 --> 0:46:07.799
<v Speaker 1>Those How do you even know how many hands this

0:46:07.880 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 1>horse is? You can't see your hands.

0:46:09.800 --> 0:46:10.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness.

0:46:10.960 --> 0:46:14.840
<v Speaker 1>They are very very cute. They have the thickest coat

0:46:14.920 --> 0:46:17.759
<v Speaker 1>of any horse, and they are kind of chunky and

0:46:17.800 --> 0:46:21.520
<v Speaker 1>compact built, which is good because you don't want to

0:46:21.840 --> 0:46:24.440
<v Speaker 1>like we talked about with frostbite, The more compact you

0:46:24.520 --> 0:46:27.200
<v Speaker 1>are in the cold kind of the better because your

0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:29.680
<v Speaker 1>blood doesn't have to work so hard to pump out

0:46:29.680 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 1>to your extremities. They have slow metabolic rates relative to

0:46:34.200 --> 0:46:37.359
<v Speaker 1>other horses, and they can dig in the snow for

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:42.200
<v Speaker 1>food like like dig dig, dig, find some vegetation under

0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:45.720
<v Speaker 1>all that snow. And they actually didn't evolve from native

0:46:45.800 --> 0:46:49.600
<v Speaker 1>species of horses in the area. Instead, these were horses

0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:52.240
<v Speaker 1>that were brought to the area by the Yakout people

0:46:52.440 --> 0:46:56.239
<v Speaker 1>eight hundred years ago, around the thirteenth century. And they're

0:46:56.280 --> 0:47:02.080
<v Speaker 1>an example of rapid evolutionary adaptation on by human interactions.

0:47:02.160 --> 0:47:05.400
<v Speaker 1>So we brought we brought horses who are not adapted

0:47:05.440 --> 0:47:08.759
<v Speaker 1>to this cold weather over eight hundred years ago, and

0:47:08.920 --> 0:47:13.880
<v Speaker 1>over that period of time they developed these adaptations like

0:47:13.920 --> 0:47:18.360
<v Speaker 1>being really really fluffy, being stout, and having that slower

0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:22.759
<v Speaker 1>metabolic rate. And they even have anti freezing properties of

0:47:22.800 --> 0:47:26.480
<v Speaker 1>glucose in the blood like frogs like the wood frogs.

0:47:26.520 --> 0:47:29.160
<v Speaker 1>Not you can't freeze. You can't turn it into a

0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:32.640
<v Speaker 1>horse sickle like that will work, but it does help

0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:33.799
<v Speaker 1>prevent frostbite.

0:47:33.880 --> 0:47:36.440
<v Speaker 2>So what would have happened based on what I know

0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:40.640
<v Speaker 2>about evolution, which I am not an expert by any means,

0:47:40.719 --> 0:47:44.600
<v Speaker 2>but I did take a few you know, anthropology classes

0:47:45.040 --> 0:47:52.080
<v Speaker 2>in college. So nice yiss rag, so they would have

0:47:52.080 --> 0:47:54.399
<v Speaker 2>brought these horses over, and I'm guessing most of them

0:47:54.640 --> 0:47:57.880
<v Speaker 2>would have died, but the ones that happened to be

0:47:58.800 --> 0:48:03.040
<v Speaker 2>maybe fluffier or like carried the genes of fluffiness would

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:06.480
<v Speaker 2>have survived, and then they would mate with each other

0:48:06.560 --> 0:48:09.000
<v Speaker 2>and then keep perpetuating that trait that enabled them to

0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:12.840
<v Speaker 2>survive exactly. Thus the fluffiest horses we've ever seen.

0:48:13.040 --> 0:48:15.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I don't know this for a fact, but

0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:18.440
<v Speaker 1>it is possible that we even helped along. Because humans

0:48:18.480 --> 0:48:22.080
<v Speaker 1>are great, well, depending on how you define the word great.

0:48:22.080 --> 0:48:26.880
<v Speaker 1>We're great at selective breeding and creating ridiculous features and animals.

0:48:26.920 --> 0:48:31.280
<v Speaker 1>But in this case, because the horses were very crucial

0:48:31.320 --> 0:48:34.839
<v Speaker 1>to our survival as humans, there's a good chance that

0:48:34.880 --> 0:48:35.960
<v Speaker 1>we maybe.

0:48:35.760 --> 0:48:36.400
<v Speaker 2>People saw.

0:48:38.560 --> 0:48:40.880
<v Speaker 1>Or like we saw horses that were doing really well,

0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:43.600
<v Speaker 1>and we're like, Okay, we got to get this one

0:48:43.640 --> 0:48:46.759
<v Speaker 1>breeding a lot of baby horses because they've survived and

0:48:46.800 --> 0:48:49.160
<v Speaker 1>they're doing really well. You know, I think we could have.

0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:53.160
<v Speaker 1>It's well within our abilities to have done that at

0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:56.040
<v Speaker 1>that time. So you know, it was probably a mixture

0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:59.200
<v Speaker 1>of I would say it's mostly the environmental pressures, but

0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:02.240
<v Speaker 1>then maybe we were assisted in their survival by humans,

0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:04.400
<v Speaker 1>and then that's how they evolved so quickly without just

0:49:04.480 --> 0:49:08.760
<v Speaker 1>immediately all tying out. Actually, comparisons of the Yakut horses

0:49:08.800 --> 0:49:14.440
<v Speaker 1>to mammoth genome found similarities in metabolism, hair growth, and

0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:17.920
<v Speaker 1>body proportions, which is an example of convergent evolution. So

0:49:18.320 --> 0:49:21.160
<v Speaker 1>convergent evolution is when you have very similar traits but

0:49:21.239 --> 0:49:24.200
<v Speaker 1>they have evolve at different points in evolutionary history, and

0:49:24.200 --> 0:49:27.680
<v Speaker 1>they're like in different species or in the same species,

0:49:27.680 --> 0:49:28.600
<v Speaker 1>but at different times.

0:49:28.840 --> 0:49:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Got it.

0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:32.239
<v Speaker 1>So one of the important things about Yakut horses is

0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:35.480
<v Speaker 1>that they are mostly wild horses, so they don't they

0:49:35.480 --> 0:49:38.520
<v Speaker 1>aren't kept in pins all year round, they're not kept

0:49:38.560 --> 0:49:42.000
<v Speaker 1>at a corral are kept they're allowed to roam wild.

0:49:42.560 --> 0:49:46.360
<v Speaker 1>And Yacot horse breeders have a really tough job because

0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:48.560
<v Speaker 1>the horses get to go live free and wild for

0:49:48.680 --> 0:49:50.960
<v Speaker 1>much of the time, and the horse breeders have to

0:49:51.560 --> 0:49:54.160
<v Speaker 1>convince them to come back to get fed and get

0:49:54.200 --> 0:49:57.600
<v Speaker 1>metical attention and to help them in their breeding. And

0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:01.000
<v Speaker 1>so they'll drive out for miles and ailes to search

0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:03.920
<v Speaker 1>for these horses, and then once they get there, they'll

0:50:03.960 --> 0:50:06.759
<v Speaker 1>call them. They really have to convince them to come

0:50:06.800 --> 0:50:09.319
<v Speaker 1>in because it's these big, these herds of horses. You

0:50:09.360 --> 0:50:11.960
<v Speaker 1>can't just like last so all the horses and have

0:50:12.040 --> 0:50:14.680
<v Speaker 1>them come in you. You have to kind of it's

0:50:14.680 --> 0:50:17.160
<v Speaker 1>got to be a cooperative effort, like hey, we got

0:50:17.280 --> 0:50:27.040
<v Speaker 1>hey hey remember remember remember hey, hey hey? Yes, And

0:50:27.120 --> 0:50:30.839
<v Speaker 1>so they also will like call them out, like be like, hey,

0:50:30.880 --> 0:50:33.880
<v Speaker 1>come on, Fred. The horse probably not named Fred, but

0:50:34.000 --> 0:50:34.279
<v Speaker 1>you know.

0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:40.440
<v Speaker 2>I think there's definitely a Fred come on, Ginger and

0:50:40.440 --> 0:50:43.000
<v Speaker 2>and Jasper Jasper.

0:50:44.080 --> 0:50:49.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, not clearly. I'm not good at measuring nor naming horses.

0:50:49.800 --> 0:50:52.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean I named a bear Timmy earlier in this episode.

0:50:52.760 --> 0:50:55.479
<v Speaker 1>That's a good bear name, though you sell yourself short

0:50:55.520 --> 0:50:55.799
<v Speaker 1>on that.

0:50:56.000 --> 0:50:56.640
<v Speaker 2>Thanks.

0:50:57.000 --> 0:51:00.919
<v Speaker 1>So that's this habit of litting animals roam and then

0:51:00.960 --> 0:51:05.359
<v Speaker 1>calling them back in over long distances is actually also

0:51:05.560 --> 0:51:08.520
<v Speaker 1>done in Norway and Sweden and has been done since

0:51:08.560 --> 0:51:12.200
<v Speaker 1>the Middle Ages. And there's this practice called kuning, which

0:51:12.360 --> 0:51:15.760
<v Speaker 1>is the term for a herding call to let livestock

0:51:15.840 --> 0:51:18.839
<v Speaker 1>know it's time to come home. So it is a

0:51:18.920 --> 0:51:23.000
<v Speaker 1>specific type of song or call that has similar mechanics

0:51:23.000 --> 0:51:25.480
<v Speaker 1>to yodeling, so that it can bounce off of the

0:51:25.600 --> 0:51:29.920
<v Speaker 1>hills and really drink for long distances so that livestock

0:51:29.960 --> 0:51:32.160
<v Speaker 1>can hear it even when they're far off into the mountains.

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<v Speaker 1>And typically it's a tradition carried on by women because

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<v Speaker 1>historically they were tasked with tending to flocks and herds,

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<v Speaker 1>although men do also carry on the tradition, and each

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<v Speaker 1>herder or shepherd would have their own unique call for

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<v Speaker 1>their livestock and this so I have a clip from

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<v Speaker 1>a very talented Kohing singer. Her name's Joanna Jenten, and

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<v Speaker 1>she's calling her cows. I'll provide a link to the

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<v Speaker 1>full video and the shit I really recommend looking at it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's really hauntingly beautiful. But I'll just play a

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<v Speaker 1>really short clip so you get an idea of what

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like. And in this clip you can see

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<v Speaker 1>the little cow just like they're ambling on over like okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going.

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<v Speaker 2>I recognize that. So it's the idea that all of

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<v Speaker 2>the the animals that get hurted by the particular herders

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<v Speaker 2>like recognize the sound of like their specific call.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, I think so, And I think they they'll

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<v Speaker 1>probably recognize the voice of their their herder and they'll

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<v Speaker 1>recognize the specific call. They'll they know to come come

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<v Speaker 1>home because then they get fed and they get a

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<v Speaker 1>warm place. Yeah. I really love this, the practice of

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<v Speaker 1>letting these animals just wander around, frolic around and play

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<v Speaker 1>and occasionally get eaten by predator. But you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>then you're just like, all right, come home, and they're

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<v Speaker 1>like sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's how man, That's how farming should be done

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<v Speaker 2>here to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, just let the let the let the pigs just

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<v Speaker 1>run around the city do their thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I've seen Babe Pig in the City.

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<v Speaker 1>That's doing exactly. The renowned documentary Big in the City.

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<v Speaker 2>I love. I love the George Miller, famous documentarian.

0:53:27.480 --> 0:53:29.640
<v Speaker 1>I loved both of those movies. When I was a kid,

0:53:30.320 --> 0:53:33.000
<v Speaker 1>I was always horrified. Everyone's just like, yeah, you'll be

0:53:33.040 --> 0:53:36.080
<v Speaker 1>baking someday, and he's like what and there he's calm down.

0:53:36.160 --> 0:53:41.520
<v Speaker 1>It's the way of things here. So I wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>do an update to crow boarding. So a little while ago,

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<v Speaker 1>we did an episode on play and I talked about crowboarding,

0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:52.200
<v Speaker 1>where there's this video of a crow picking up a

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<v Speaker 1>metal lid to like a jar, and he walks up

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<v Speaker 1>a snowy rope roof, sits on the lid and slides

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<v Speaker 1>down and does this a few times. And of course, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so this is just one example. You know, maybe this

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<v Speaker 1>was just some some man, you know, malfunctioning crow or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But actually I found online that there were there have

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<v Speaker 1>been more sightings of crows and ravens sliding down snow

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<v Speaker 1>covered roofs just to fly back and repeat it over

0:54:22.160 --> 0:54:24.759
<v Speaker 1>and over again. So this is an observed behavior that

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<v Speaker 1>ravens and crows do.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're just doing it for fun.

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<v Speaker 1>We don't know why they're doing it, but there seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be no purpose. And one of the definitions of

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<v Speaker 1>play is that it's a repetitive action that has no purpose. Right,

0:54:37.280 --> 0:54:40.040
<v Speaker 1>And then like logically you would conclude that it is

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<v Speaker 1>just for fun or for some some pleasurable reason, right.

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<v Speaker 1>And and then there's another report that birds would fly

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<v Speaker 1>to a snow covered stump and then they would slide

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<v Speaker 1>down the slope on their backs, and sometimes they would

0:54:55.680 --> 0:54:59.399
<v Speaker 1>hold sticks as they would slide down, just like.

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<v Speaker 2>Scared, just do their whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Those things are called those ski poles. Yeah, they're crow poles.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Sometimes they seem to do it for attention, like

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<v Speaker 1>they'll slide down a steep incline and then seem to

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<v Speaker 1>try to attract mates by showing them how cool they

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<v Speaker 1>are at crowboarding. And sometimes they do it because there's

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<v Speaker 1>this lodge that's been in their family for generations and

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<v Speaker 1>this rich kid comes. It's like, I'm gonna buy your

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<v Speaker 1>lodge and then you won't be allowed back in it,

0:55:28.320 --> 0:55:30.239
<v Speaker 1>and the crows are like, we'll see about that, and

0:55:30.280 --> 0:55:34.959
<v Speaker 1>then they raise them down death mountains, just.

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<v Speaker 2>Like the plot of Oh my god, what movie is

0:55:37.560 --> 0:55:40.600
<v Speaker 2>that crap? It's that it's a John Cusack movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I think No Runnings.

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<v Speaker 2>It's yes, the famous movie is not running Better Off Dead.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see John. His name is John Cusy.

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<v Speaker 2>Parody that plot in movie in an episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Of Yeah Better Are Dead Okay in nineteen eighty five

0:55:58.120 --> 0:56:01.080
<v Speaker 1>American teen black comedy films aarring John Cusack.

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<v Speaker 2>Do I know film or do I know film? I

0:56:05.560 --> 0:56:07.680
<v Speaker 2>do have a master's green screenwriting. I hate to bring

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<v Speaker 2>it up.

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<v Speaker 1>In the town of Green Okay, according to Wikipedia, in

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<v Speaker 1>the town of Greendale, Northern California, high school student blah

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<v Speaker 1>blah blah blah blah.

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<v Speaker 2>Am I totally wrong about this?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, no. They try to ski the K twelve,

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<v Speaker 1>the highest peak in towns in hopes of getting winning

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<v Speaker 1>back Beth's love.

0:56:27.719 --> 0:56:30.239
<v Speaker 2>Oh right, there's a race and who the race gets

0:56:30.280 --> 0:56:34.160
<v Speaker 2>to get the woman as a reward because women are prizes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I you know, Like I actually it was weird.

0:56:37.440 --> 0:56:39.680
<v Speaker 1>I went to this arcade and there's this big vending

0:56:39.760 --> 0:56:42.960
<v Speaker 1>machine and then there're just a bunch of ladies in

0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:46.680
<v Speaker 1>there as like trying to trying to like like get them,

0:56:46.719 --> 0:56:49.040
<v Speaker 1>and they're like, please let us out of this giant

0:56:49.080 --> 0:56:51.959
<v Speaker 1>claw machine. We're actually stuck in here because we tried

0:56:51.960 --> 0:56:54.040
<v Speaker 1>to get the bears out by reaching our hands and

0:56:54.120 --> 0:56:56.120
<v Speaker 1>we got sucked in. But I think that was just

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<v Speaker 1>to add to the charm of the machine for sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so back to the crows who are sledding for fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Now wait, you suggested that maybe it's like could be

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like the winter sports version of like the

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<v Speaker 2>dances that birds do for like the mating dances, because

0:57:18.640 --> 0:57:25.080
<v Speaker 2>they need a training montage to get better at.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just this little crow like lifting sticks with its feet.

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<v Speaker 2>I would watch that training montage.

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<v Speaker 1>I would watch a whole movie trilogy about crows snowboarding

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<v Speaker 1>and winning the winning the crow girls as prizes and

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<v Speaker 1>winning the lodges as prizes. Sometimes the crow Girl wins

0:57:45.000 --> 0:57:46.120
<v Speaker 1>skis as a prize.

0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:48.280
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes the crow Girl gets to ski.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, the crow Girls skis sometimes, and sometimes the lodge

0:57:54.200 --> 0:57:58.640
<v Speaker 1>skis and wins the prize of the year. Okay, yeah,

0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:01.000
<v Speaker 1>you just mix it all up. Crows are in it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we could we could get.

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<v Speaker 2>This franchise, and then we also need the Chipmunks as mafia.

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<v Speaker 1>Right right, stories right, Oh, and we could have a

0:58:11.240 --> 0:58:15.680
<v Speaker 1>crossover like this could be sort of the Crowboarding universe.

0:58:15.320 --> 0:58:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Right that we need like an animal cinematic universe.

0:58:18.440 --> 0:58:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, the Crowboarding cinematic universe. Who got the chipmunks

0:58:22.360 --> 0:58:26.000
<v Speaker 1>who are like killing each other for for acorns. You

0:58:26.120 --> 0:58:30.800
<v Speaker 1>got the crows trying to win ski contests. You got

0:58:30.960 --> 0:58:34.720
<v Speaker 1>Beluga like a sort of Bridesmaid's movie but with Belugas

0:58:34.720 --> 0:58:38.160
<v Speaker 1>going out and getting a spot a but everything goes

0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:40.640
<v Speaker 1>horribly wrong. But then at the end they found out

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<v Speaker 1>the the the Belugas were the friends you made along

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<v Speaker 1>the way.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Yeah, there's a lot of content.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of minable content, guys, movie people, minable content. Yeah, exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I'm a screenwriter.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we start writing, start me, please write me. Crowboarding screenplay. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well yes, but we call it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, there's got to be a pun or something.

0:59:08.480 --> 0:59:10.840
<v Speaker 1>A pun, but like we need an extra one just

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<v Speaker 1>to send it over the top, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is this so hard for that? Take an improvs?

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<v Speaker 1>Not me? Corvas?

0:59:21.320 --> 0:59:25.760
<v Speaker 2>Wait what is corvas? That's the family of the Oh

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<v Speaker 2>I see that. That might.

0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:30.480
<v Speaker 1>That slogan.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe it's a little too it's maybe too high

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<v Speaker 2>brow for the for the audience. We'll figure it out.

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<v Speaker 2>Or if you have.

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<v Speaker 1>Crowboard and we'll have a raven good time. There we are,

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<v Speaker 1>clar do send it to print DreamWorks.

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<v Speaker 2>Wrap that up.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, thank you so much for joining me today. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>this is really fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Raven good time.

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