WEBVTT - Jayden Daniels to LSU + the 3-9 Game

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the solid verbal hull that for me. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a man, I'm forty. I've heard so many players say, well,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to be happy.

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<v Speaker 2>You want to be happy for a day? Eta steak

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<v Speaker 2>is that woo woof?

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<v Speaker 1>And them and tie Welcome back to the solid rebel boys. Girls.

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<v Speaker 1>My name is ty Hilda Brandt, that fine gentleman over

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<v Speaker 1>there in tropical Chicago, Illinois, the one, the only, still,

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<v Speaker 1>the incomparable. Dan Rubinstein, sir, how are you? I'm not bad.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a good night's sleep. I uh stayed up

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<v Speaker 2>far past my bedtime. On Saturday night, I went over

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<v Speaker 2>to a buddy's house and watched UFC two seventy two.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa you getting into a little mma?

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<v Speaker 2>Not especially, but I played tennis with this dude and

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<v Speaker 2>he's super nice and invited me over. He had buddies

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<v Speaker 2>over to watch the fight. Nice little cheese spread, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>had some chocolate, had some chips, had a.

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<v Speaker 1>Beer, A beer, a beer, And I woke up Sunday morning.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, oh, I'm not in a good place. It had

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<v Speaker 2>nothing to do with the beer, but I was worried

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<v Speaker 2>for a moment that my extremely soft tolerance had hit me.

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<v Speaker 2>But if you have any questions about you know, thug

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<v Speaker 2>Nasty Bryce Mitchell.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm right here. I was gonna ask, so tell me

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<v Speaker 1>about the conversation at said MMA party, Like what are yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>what are you talking about? Did you do research before

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<v Speaker 1>going over to your buddy's place to learn a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit more about this? We would if we were going

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<v Speaker 1>to a, you know, any other sporting event.

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<v Speaker 2>Not especially, but my buddy did tell me that he

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<v Speaker 2>liked thug nasty from Arkansas.

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<v Speaker 1>That was his his guy.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I knew that the headline about the main event

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<v Speaker 2>featured former good friends and so that it wasn't a

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<v Speaker 2>title fight, so there was like bad blood on the line,

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<v Speaker 2>but not necessarily a belt. So I knew that you

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<v Speaker 2>who fought, if you want to bring it all the

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<v Speaker 2>way back to college football, is Greg Hardy. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>he's in this Miss Carolina Panthers. He's been fighting for

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<v Speaker 2>a while. Pretty quickly dispatched, okay, quickly dispatched by a

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<v Speaker 2>large man from I think Moldova.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know. I had fun.

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<v Speaker 2>It's one of those things where I pretended, not pretended,

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<v Speaker 2>but was very agreeable. So it's like a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>like sure, sure at.

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<v Speaker 1>Armbar uh huh uh uh huh. Three quartermount. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I was.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what I was seeing coming as well. Yeah, uh huh,

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<v Speaker 2>So that was fine. I'm not anti MMA, I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>pro MMA. I'm just I'm there for the.

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<v Speaker 1>Spectacle, there for the spectacle. Well, with that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>today's show is about the spectacle that was three and

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<v Speaker 1>nine teams, Yes, in twenty twenty one. You may recall

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<v Speaker 1>we did an episode like this a month ago. We

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<v Speaker 1>released a show on February tenth, Allah to ten talked

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<v Speaker 1>about two and ten teams, yes, on Wednesday. It is

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<v Speaker 1>March the ninth, three nine a last here we are.

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<v Speaker 1>So we're gonna be talking about all sorts of teams,

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<v Speaker 1>not the least of which is Nebraska and Northwestern and

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<v Speaker 1>Temple and New Mexico. Who doesn't want to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>New Mexico.

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<v Speaker 1>little bit since we delved into news on the college

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<v Speaker 1>football front. True, and there are a couple of things

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<v Speaker 1>that we should mention. The I think news of the

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<v Speaker 1>day is that Jaden Daniels, formerly of Arizona State, he

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<v Speaker 1>announced his intention to transfer a couple of weeks back.

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<v Speaker 1>He has now landed at LSU with Brian Kelly. This

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<v Speaker 1>is of particular interest to me, knowing how mister Kelly

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<v Speaker 1>tends to handle seeming quarterback controversies. He's going to have

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<v Speaker 1>one now in Baton Rouge. With Jaden Daniels coming to town,

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<v Speaker 1>that means he's going to join a depth chart that

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<v Speaker 1>also features Miles Brennan, Garrett nus Meyer and the early

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<v Speaker 1>en roll Ly five star recruit Walker Howard Dan Good move,

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<v Speaker 1>bad move? Where are you at with this? Jane Daniels

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<v Speaker 1>tell us you, I mean it's great for LSU, not

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<v Speaker 1>because I think he's anything crazy special, but because what's

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<v Speaker 1>your phrase? More bites at the apple? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>You got more guys competing hopefully. I mean, so Miles

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<v Speaker 2>Brennan coming off of a season ending a preseason ending

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<v Speaker 2>injury last year. Garrett nus Meyer was the future at

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<v Speaker 2>a certain point, but he's still relatively unproven. And then

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<v Speaker 2>you've got the future future in Walker Howard. And so

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<v Speaker 2>you've got a guy in right now, and if he's

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<v Speaker 2>good enough to beat out presumably Miles Brennan Garrett us Meyer,

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<v Speaker 2>then that's a good thing. That's a good thing that

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<v Speaker 2>LSU has that quality of guy. Because Jade and daniels

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<v Speaker 2>ceiling is interesting. I think he's fine. Like I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>as high on him as I think a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>When he entered the portal, he was a bit careless.

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<v Speaker 2>Last year, I went back and rewatched a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>his games, and he was prone a bit to hero ball,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, throwing a away from his body, throwing across

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<v Speaker 2>his body, trying to make plays. There were times when

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<v Speaker 2>the announcers were especially confused why he didn't make certain

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<v Speaker 2>throws when a play was designed for a guy running

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<v Speaker 2>wide open down the field. And so, you know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>it was the architecture of the offense. Maybe it was

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<v Speaker 2>ASU's offensive line at times in pass protection and confusion.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, I mean, just in terms of a stop gap,

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<v Speaker 2>you can certainly do far worse than Jade and Daniels

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<v Speaker 2>and year one of Brian Kelly as you sort of

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<v Speaker 2>assess what you want to do moving forward. I know

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<v Speaker 2>LSU's offensive coordinator seems pretty well regarded. Sean McVay apparently

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<v Speaker 2>had interest in him to take over the Rams job

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<v Speaker 2>on some level or some assistant job there. So we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>So Jadan Daniels at LSU, I he's betting on himself.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a roll of the dice for him. And you're

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<v Speaker 2>right about Brian Kelly's past with figuring out who should

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<v Speaker 2>be playing quarterback. It sounds like a this is not

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<v Speaker 2>an annual thing. This is going to be a carnival.

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<v Speaker 2>It is going to be a carnival. This is the

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<v Speaker 2>real Marti grad Dans are super low. This is not

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Kelly in year eleven or twelve. The stakes in

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<v Speaker 2>year one, with the contract he has, with expectations in

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<v Speaker 2>year one, they're basically no stakes right now. No, there's

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<v Speaker 2>no added pressure.

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<v Speaker 1>Ie, He's not going to lose his job, right They

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<v Speaker 1>just committed the entire family farm to Brian Kelly. But

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<v Speaker 1>I fully expect that this quarterback controversy is going to

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<v Speaker 1>last all season. And if history is any guide for

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<v Speaker 1>Brian Kelly and what we've seen in his tenure at

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<v Speaker 1>Notre Dame, having a number of good quarterbacks on the roster,

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<v Speaker 1>all of whom could play, all of whom the fans

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<v Speaker 1>want to see play, he will find some way to

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<v Speaker 1>batch this. And that doesn't mean LS is going to

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<v Speaker 1>have a bad offense. I'm just saying the quarterback thing

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<v Speaker 1>will remain muddled. Just get yourself ready for it now.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not even saying this to be derogatory. It will

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<v Speaker 1>be muddled all season long. He will not commit to

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<v Speaker 1>anybody until it seems too late. Just get ready.

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<v Speaker 2>Only the only reason why I would push back on

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<v Speaker 2>that a little bit is the these aren't any of

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<v Speaker 2>his guys, right, So there's no there's no sense of

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<v Speaker 2>like Jack Cone wasn't his guy because he didn't recruit

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<v Speaker 2>him out of high school, he wasn't with him for

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<v Speaker 2>years and years last year, and the same those for

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<v Speaker 2>all three of these guys, four of these whatever, however

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<v Speaker 2>many guys end up in this conversation, there's no sense

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<v Speaker 2>of Brian Kelly has watched this guy in practice for

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<v Speaker 2>two years, so he feels like he can really perform

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<v Speaker 2>if given the opportunity. So there's a clean slate element

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<v Speaker 2>having all of these guys where he hasn't sat in

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<v Speaker 2>the living room with these guys his parents, and he hasn't,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, formed these preconceived notions about any of these

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<v Speaker 2>guys over the course of many years. And so I

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<v Speaker 2>just I don't know how much allure there will be

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<v Speaker 2>for any of these guys to jump in when things

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<v Speaker 2>are going wrong for somebody else.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll see.

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<v Speaker 2>But I just I think the situation is pretty pretty

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<v Speaker 2>different from where he was at Notre Dame.

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<v Speaker 1>It is I hear you, I'll believe it when I

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<v Speaker 1>see it, So okay. Elsewhere he mentioned Jack Cone. Jack

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<v Speaker 1>Cone ran a four to nine at the com Dan,

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<v Speaker 1>Who is that good? Is that bad? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's faster than I thought he'd run. Oh okay, if

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being honest with you. The combine happened over the weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of just factoids I think for college football

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<v Speaker 1>fans that you may or may not be interested in.

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<v Speaker 1>The big headline from the combine was Jordan Davis from Georgia.

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<v Speaker 1>Jordan Davis six six three forty one. Dude ran a

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<v Speaker 1>four to seven to eight broad jump over ten feet

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<v Speaker 1>ten feet three inches, which is believed to be a

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<v Speaker 1>record for anybody over three hundred pounds. Also had a

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<v Speaker 1>thirty two inch vert which is just mind blowing those

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<v Speaker 1>types of numbers. Anyone who tells you that athletes now

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<v Speaker 1>aren't better than they were five ten years ago is

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<v Speaker 1>out of their mind. Jordan Davis definitely given his draft

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<v Speaker 1>stock a bit of a boost. What else do we

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<v Speaker 1>got here? We had some other crazy numbers. Kalin Barnes,

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<v Speaker 1>the defensive back for Baylor, ran the second fastest forty

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<v Speaker 1>time ever, just a one hundredth of a second behind

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<v Speaker 1>John Ross. You'll recall he ran a four to two

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<v Speaker 1>two a couple of years back when he left Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>Klin Barnes four to two three, just blazing fast. Baylor

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<v Speaker 1>also had Taekwon Thornton run a four to eight. He

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<v Speaker 1>was the fastest wide receiver this cycle. All told, there

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<v Speaker 1>were eight receivers that ran under a four to four.

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<v Speaker 1>Your boy Cavon Thibodeau ran a four to five eight

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<v Speaker 1>at what two fifty five, two fifty four something like that? Yep, yep. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>David o'jabo ran a four to five five, sort of

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<v Speaker 1>the hybrid d N type from Michigan. It seems as

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<v Speaker 1>if that gave him a needed boost to maybe get

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<v Speaker 1>him up into the top twelve. Uh. Breist Hall seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>doing everything he can do to remain one of the top,

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<v Speaker 1>if not the top running back. Prosspect ran a four

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<v Speaker 1>to three to nine, getting under that four to four number. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And then we had some other news. We had Kenny

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<v Speaker 1>Pickett with quote historically small eight and a half inch hands,

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<v Speaker 1>But then he threw and he looked fine, and everybody

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<v Speaker 1>stopped talking about the hands. Sam Howell looked pretty good

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<v Speaker 1>throwing the deep ball folks are starting to talk themselves

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<v Speaker 1>into Malik Willis as the top ten pick. Same holds

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<v Speaker 1>true for des Ridder, not seemingly because of anything he

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<v Speaker 1>did throwing the football, but because he ran a four

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<v Speaker 1>or five two. We always knew he was fast. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if that is going to be grounds enough

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<v Speaker 1>to get him into the top ten. We'll cover it

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<v Speaker 1>to the extent that we can here, but does Ritter

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<v Speaker 1>getting a little bit of steam? And we also found

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<v Speaker 1>out that Derek Stingley is recovering from Liz Frank injury.

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<v Speaker 1>Stingley one of those guys that I remember when he

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<v Speaker 1>came out of high school. He kind of fell into

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<v Speaker 1>that Adrian Peterson category of like, if he could go

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<v Speaker 1>right now to the NFL, teams would pick him high.

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<v Speaker 1>And we know he's obviously very talented, but had some

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<v Speaker 1>questions around white and play more. What's going on these

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<v Speaker 1>deal with Liz Frank injury. So okay, claims they'll be

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<v Speaker 1>fine by Pro Day, but another thing to keep your

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<v Speaker 1>eyes on. Again, We'll try to cover this as best

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<v Speaker 1>we can hear from the college football perspective, just because

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<v Speaker 1>it is one of those rare moments of overlap between

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<v Speaker 1>college and pro that a lot of college fans take

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<v Speaker 1>great pride in a guy from their school going pretty high.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll continue to keep an eye on this and

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<v Speaker 1>talk to folks as we get a little bit closer

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<v Speaker 1>to the draft. But the combine was a pretty big

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<v Speaker 1>deal over the weekend. The only other tidbit that I

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<v Speaker 1>have here, and it's very small and very minor, but

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<v Speaker 1>something worth noting. I'm ready. They are looking at proposed

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<v Speaker 1>rule changes with respect to saw this targeting, as well

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<v Speaker 1>as implementing something to try and curb what they call

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<v Speaker 1>fake injuries.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they're going to ban the shift, right, they're

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<v Speaker 2>going to ban the Is that the wrong sport?

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're talking about Major League Baseball? Dan? Okay, gosh, okay, sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>sorry about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean there's no real good solution here for

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<v Speaker 2>the fake injuries thing. That starts with coaches. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>they're not independent contractors on the field saying they're not freelancing.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, oh, I'm gonna fake it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna fake it and I'm gonna screw everything up

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<v Speaker 2>for the plans of the coaches and the defensive coordinator

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<v Speaker 2>in the rhythm of this game.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It starts with coaches.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you do. It's it's a it's

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<v Speaker 2>a very difficult issue to solve. We've seen it allegedly

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<v Speaker 2>across the sport, and we've also seen crowds freak out

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<v Speaker 2>thinking that players are fake injuries. Well, in fact, they

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<v Speaker 2>were injuries, suggesting excuse me, are you suggesting anything untoward

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<v Speaker 2>about the great fans of Iowa football who've had to

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<v Speaker 2>watch Brian Farren's offense.

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<v Speaker 1>Did I say, I didn't even say excuse me?

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<v Speaker 2>It's I think it's gonna be extremely difficult to legislate

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<v Speaker 2>and to parse what is and isn't fake. And you

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<v Speaker 2>keep players out, and you know, sometimes there are very

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<v Speaker 2>minor injuries where somebody rolls his ankle sure and is

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<v Speaker 2>able to stretch it out and get loose a little

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<v Speaker 2>while later. That's a real thing. So I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what you do. Right answer is I saw.

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<v Speaker 1>There are some quotes from David Shaw, who is involved

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<v Speaker 1>with this, and his point, his sentiment echoes yours. There

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<v Speaker 1>is no good way to handle this. They've kicked around

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<v Speaker 1>something like a video review after the fact, and then

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps conferences or individual schools would be up to levy

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<v Speaker 1>penalties against the player the coach. I don't know against

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<v Speaker 1>whom you'd be letting the penalty. But how many non

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<v Speaker 1>contact injuries do we see in the span of a

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<v Speaker 1>college football seat. Yeah, it happens every week. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>just so hard to legislate that type of thing. On

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<v Speaker 1>the targeting front. Again, it's it's equally as difficult without

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<v Speaker 1>taking the rule out entirely. One of the things that

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<v Speaker 1>I saw kicked around was again this video review where

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<v Speaker 1>a school a conference could appeal and then some larger

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<v Speaker 1>governing body would take a look at it and like, say,

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<v Speaker 1>for instance, it happened in the second half, if you appealed,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps you could get a suspension thrown out so that

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<v Speaker 1>you'd have to lose a guy for the first half

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<v Speaker 1>of the next game.

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<v Speaker 2>Saw that, right, which just seems I mean, targeting in

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<v Speaker 2>and of itself is such a confusing kind of nonsensical,

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<v Speaker 2>Like it's one of those rules where you're.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, well, by the letter of the law, even though.

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<v Speaker 2>What you're watching doesn't necessarily, you know, resonate in your

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<v Speaker 2>own brain as something crazy serious that you know. So

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<v Speaker 2>I suppose that's at least a step in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you have a memorable non contact injury of your

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<v Speaker 2>own your you're living just oh my gosh, where do

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<v Speaker 2>you want me to start? I mean, I have one

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<v Speaker 2>that that immediately comes to mind about seventeen hours into

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<v Speaker 2>the movie Contact.

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<v Speaker 1>If you remember how long.

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<v Speaker 2>That movie was with Jody Foster and Matthew McConaughey, I

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<v Speaker 2>got a Charlie Horse in the world. You ever, just

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<v Speaker 2>you ever silently yell in the middle of a Jodie

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<v Speaker 2>Foster sci fi joint.

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<v Speaker 1>You know it hasn't happened to me recently, Dan Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I popped at Hanny one time running to first base

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<v Speaker 1>in a softball game. The entire back of my leg

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<v Speaker 1>turned BA. Well that's at least running. Yeah it was

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<v Speaker 1>non contact. Yeah, that's non contact. That's true. Not quite

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<v Speaker 1>for the contact Joey Foster level of the Charlie Horse.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah. So anytime I see one of those instances

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<v Speaker 1>of I don't know, let's call it a Missouri linebacker,

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<v Speaker 1>let's call it a Washington State safety just out of

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<v Speaker 1>nowhere going down, I don't laugh because I've been there.

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<v Speaker 2>I've been there, like out of nowhere. Ha, So that

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<v Speaker 2>that resonates with me as something that could actually happen.

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<v Speaker 1>On that note, That's all I got.

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<v Speaker 2>For news, Dan, Yeah, all I really care about with

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<v Speaker 2>the combine is which large man suddenly is like the

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<v Speaker 2>f equalm all Star of the weekend. The force equals

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<v Speaker 2>mass times accelerations, good physic. Jordan Davis didn't the I

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<v Speaker 2>think the Rock tweeted out something about how crazy, exciting

0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:14.040
<v Speaker 2>and killer that is that somebody of that size can

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<v Speaker 2>move that quickly. So, I mean, we already knew Jordan

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<v Speaker 2>Davis and who he was and sure can be. But man,

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<v Speaker 2>that type of and I think I want to say

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<v Speaker 2>our pal Bill Barnwell has some sort of formula of

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<v Speaker 2>like who actually ran the best forty based on force?

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<v Speaker 2>And so I imagine Jordan Davis has to be a

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<v Speaker 2>top that list.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, well, keep it right here. We'll do our

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<v Speaker 1>best to cover any sort of draft slash college related

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<v Speaker 1>stuff moving forward. Yes, shall we get into the three

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<v Speaker 1>and nine game? Dan Noine? Yes? Absolutely? What is a

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<v Speaker 1>three and nine game? Explain this for everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about to be March ninth, or is March ninth

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<v Speaker 2>when you're listening to this or was recently March ninth,

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<v Speaker 2>three to nine when you're listening to this. So we're

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<v Speaker 2>just gonna go and take a snapshot. It's not necessarily

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<v Speaker 2>a c in recap.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a.

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<v Speaker 2>Season preview of twenty twenty two, it's not a spring preview.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just a where is this team now based on

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<v Speaker 2>a number of factors? Where is this program now based

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<v Speaker 2>on a number of factors after going three and nine

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty two. So these are, of course non

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<v Speaker 2>Bowl teams, some of which have hired new coaches, or

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<v Speaker 2>have made coaching changes, or have hit the portal especially hard.

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<v Speaker 2>So I just wanted to check in on the current

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<v Speaker 2>three and nine programs with hopes that they will soon

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<v Speaker 2>be I don't know, five and seven programs, and maybe

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<v Speaker 2>next May seventh will be talking about them six and

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<v Speaker 2>six BAWL programs looking at the odds of improvement. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>going to give you a factoid about each of these teams.

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<v Speaker 2>You're going to try and guess which of these teams

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<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about, and we'll go from there.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's do the first factoid. First team, Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, this team had awesome, awesome twins tweet twins. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>this team we met awesome brothers, brothers. Arguably the best

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<v Speaker 2>player on each side of the ball had the same

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<v Speaker 2>last name, and there were brothers and still are all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, before we go any further, we should at least

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<v Speaker 1>give a list of the teams, right, we should do? Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>you want to do the full list. Here's the full list. Georgia,

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Nebraska not alphabetic order, No, could be Stanford, Northwestern Duke,

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado State, Southern miss Louisiana, Tech Temple, Georgia, Southern Ohio,

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<v Speaker 1>and New Mexico. And we mentioned earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Each side of the ball the best player was arguably

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<v Speaker 2>you know, two family members. I don't know the answer

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<v Speaker 2>to this, Northwestern, the McBride brothers. We're starting with America's team,

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<v Speaker 2>Colorado State, Trey and Toby McBride. Trey is I think

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<v Speaker 2>a relatively high end NFL draft prospect. Toby McBride really

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<v Speaker 2>strong upfront for the Rams in a a very strange year.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Steve Dazio probably should never have been.

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<v Speaker 1>The coach for Colorado State. J Norvella is in.

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<v Speaker 2>A bunch of transfers from Nevada come in, including Matt Mummy,

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<v Speaker 2>son of Hal the offensive coordinator now Colorado State was

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<v Speaker 2>at Nevada. Colorado State lost their final six. They somehow

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<v Speaker 2>were the only non Yukon team to lose to Vanderbilt

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<v Speaker 2>last year. Their class was decent. In this recruiting class,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, not a lot of time obviously for Jay

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<v Speaker 2>Norvell to put together a class. They threw the ball

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<v Speaker 2>decently enough. They had an awesome pass rush, Their pass

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<v Speaker 2>defense was largely excellent. Their defense overall was fine, but

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<v Speaker 2>just too many turnovers. Couldn't run the ball, couldn't stay

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<v Speaker 2>on the field on offense, and that is that is

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<v Speaker 2>the RAM recipe to lose a bunch of games, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they did.

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<v Speaker 1>Three and nine. Their second order wins count, which I

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<v Speaker 1>like to look at, was five point six. The only

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<v Speaker 1>other team on our list had a higher second order

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<v Speaker 1>wins number was Nebraska because Nebraska had all the one

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<v Speaker 1>score losses nine one score losses. Whatever crazy stat that was.

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<v Speaker 1>But seemingly this would indicate to me that Colorado State

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't nearly as bad as the record when you compare

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<v Speaker 1>what the Rams looked like this year versus what they

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<v Speaker 1>looked like last year. For whatever that's worth, they only

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<v Speaker 1>played four games last year because of COVID, but seemingly

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<v Speaker 1>per sp plus they improved across the board ever, so

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<v Speaker 1>marginally the offense got a little bit better, the defense

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<v Speaker 1>got a little bit better. So this was a team

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<v Speaker 1>that seemed to be headed in the right direction, but

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<v Speaker 1>as you said, inconsistency is what got him, and the

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<v Speaker 1>Steve Dazio thing, as you said, didn't make sense. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>excited to see what Jane Norvell can do, because we

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<v Speaker 1>talked about this when they first made the move. But

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<v Speaker 1>Colorado State, unlike a lot of schools in maybe that

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<v Speaker 1>group of five tier, Colorado State invests in the football program.

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<v Speaker 1>They care about the football program. Yeah, if you're wondering, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>why is Jane Norvel going from Nevada to Colorado State.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a bigger budget program, and so what can a

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<v Speaker 1>guy like j Norvel do? J Norvel very highly thought

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<v Speaker 1>of in the coaching world. So while this isn't necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>a preview of what's to come in twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>I am very excited to see what he can do

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<v Speaker 1>moving on to a place that's got, i don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>more of a commitment towards the football program.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and we're this close to beating Mountain West Champs,

0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:39.840
<v Speaker 2>Utah State. Correct, So that's you know, I would be

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<v Speaker 2>optimistic big picture about Colorado State and Fort Collins, which

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<v Speaker 2>I did look it up. Some decent eating options in

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<v Speaker 2>Fort Collins. So I'd happily find myself going to a

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<v Speaker 2>RAM game.

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<v Speaker 1>That's all. Next one, Next team.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Next team is a team that has, or

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<v Speaker 2>at least had last year its own version at wide

0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:07.159
<v Speaker 2>receiver of Harris Ranch two Harris's Hairrye so not Nase,

0:24:07.440 --> 0:24:13.159
<v Speaker 2>not Nase, and Damian Harris but smoke and Trey Smoke

0:24:13.240 --> 0:24:14.000
<v Speaker 2>and Trey.

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<v Speaker 1>Harris, Smoke and Trey Harris. And this program has a

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<v Speaker 1>new coach. And the program has a new coach. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>uh boy, I probably should have done more. Is this

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<v Speaker 1>Duke is Duke with three and nine team? Yeah?

0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:34.040
<v Speaker 2>They were a three and nine team. No, it's not Duke,

0:24:35.040 --> 0:24:38.840
<v Speaker 2>it's it's Louisiana tack. God, We're gonna get to some

0:24:38.880 --> 0:24:42.479
<v Speaker 2>of the bigger schools in a moment. Louisiana attack. They

0:24:42.920 --> 0:24:45.320
<v Speaker 2>lose future Notre Dame head coach Skip Holtz. They add

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:50.199
<v Speaker 2>Sonny Comby. Assistants have a heavy Texas flavor, which is

0:24:50.240 --> 0:24:53.359
<v Speaker 2>to be expected to give in Sonny Cumby's background. They

0:24:53.359 --> 0:24:55.639
<v Speaker 2>had a decent passing attack last year with Austin Kendall,

0:24:55.880 --> 0:25:00.359
<v Speaker 2>who's no longer there. Matthew Downing on his third school

0:25:00.400 --> 0:25:03.720
<v Speaker 2>now and goes back to TCU with Sonny Comby. He

0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 2>comes in. They are at Missouri at Clemson, which is

0:25:08.040 --> 0:25:10.560
<v Speaker 2>tricky for year one of a new head coach of

0:25:10.640 --> 0:25:15.200
<v Speaker 2>a non conference slate. And the only other like kind

0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:18.640
<v Speaker 2>of fun factoid I found about Louisiana Tech, which, look,

0:25:18.640 --> 0:25:20.159
<v Speaker 2>they have a long ways to go, but this is

0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:22.240
<v Speaker 2>not a disaster. It's a decent state of actually a

0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:25.280
<v Speaker 2>very good state for talent, so they can rebuild relatively quickly.

0:25:25.320 --> 0:25:27.800
<v Speaker 2>We've seen some really fun Louisiana Tech offenses in the

0:25:27.840 --> 0:25:32.639
<v Speaker 2>last you know, decade, decade and a half whatever. The

0:25:32.680 --> 0:25:35.360
<v Speaker 2>big thing is their new offensive coordinator comes over from

0:25:35.440 --> 0:25:38.959
<v Speaker 2>Navarro College in Texas, former head coach at Navarro College,

0:25:39.520 --> 0:25:42.720
<v Speaker 2>home to the Netflix show Cheer Hey.

0:25:42.840 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 1>So there's that.

0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:46.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't know Louisiana Tech. So they you know, they're

0:25:46.640 --> 0:25:49.080
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty one. There's there are reasons coaches leave. There

0:25:49.080 --> 0:25:51.720
<v Speaker 2>are reasons why, and that reason is it looks like

0:25:51.720 --> 0:25:55.199
<v Speaker 2>they lost seven of eight Louisiana Tech last year to

0:25:55.240 --> 0:25:57.240
<v Speaker 2>finish off the season with their only win over a

0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:00.240
<v Speaker 2>not so good Charlotte team. The thing I can say

0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:02.920
<v Speaker 2>is this team fought pretty hard. This wasn't a bunch

0:26:02.960 --> 0:26:06.359
<v Speaker 2>of forty one fourteen losses. They were scoring points, they

0:26:06.359 --> 0:26:10.000
<v Speaker 2>were competitive, and just it just wasn't enough. It just

0:26:10.119 --> 0:26:12.840
<v Speaker 2>wasn't enough for Louisiana Tech.

0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:18.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean to your point, last season, last season,

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:21.439
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty yeah, now twenty twenty one, I guess two

0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:25.120
<v Speaker 1>seasons ago. Now. Second Order wins two point seven, yet

0:26:25.160 --> 0:26:28.280
<v Speaker 1>their final record was five and five, So that indicase

0:26:28.359 --> 0:26:30.439
<v Speaker 1>to me is a team that had some fight. I

0:26:30.440 --> 0:26:32.960
<v Speaker 1>think you're right about that on the On the whole,

0:26:33.000 --> 0:26:36.280
<v Speaker 1>though marginally better, got a little bit better on offense,

0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:39.000
<v Speaker 1>a little bit worse on defense, so kind of stuck

0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:41.440
<v Speaker 1>in the mud a little bit. Three point eight. Second

0:26:41.560 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 1>Order wins pretty much right on the number, So maybe

0:26:44.640 --> 0:26:47.840
<v Speaker 1>a little bit unlucky, but by and large, the numbers

0:26:47.880 --> 0:26:49.560
<v Speaker 1>say this is a three win team, and indeed they

0:26:49.560 --> 0:26:52.640
<v Speaker 1>were three and nine. So I love when you bring

0:26:52.680 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 1>over the coach from a really small college. I love

0:26:56.520 --> 0:26:59.440
<v Speaker 1>that unknown factor. You know, it worked out really well

0:26:59.480 --> 0:27:03.840
<v Speaker 1>for Western Kentucky was Zach Kittley last year, right, bringing

0:27:03.920 --> 0:27:07.720
<v Speaker 1>him up from UH Houston Baptist. We'll see what he

0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:11.080
<v Speaker 1>could do in Texas Tech. But I generally love that formula.

0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:12.919
<v Speaker 1>It at least gives me a little nuggets root for

0:27:13.680 --> 0:27:15.160
<v Speaker 1>I get. Yeah.

0:27:16.480 --> 0:27:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Next next team a three and nine program? Who is

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:25.520
<v Speaker 2>playing two twenty twenty one three and nine programs? So

0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:29.479
<v Speaker 2>two other teams on this list in the first few weeks.

0:27:29.720 --> 0:27:32.400
<v Speaker 1>Wow, twenty twenty two. Really I can.

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:34.879
<v Speaker 2>I can tell you the opponents if you're interested. They're

0:27:34.880 --> 0:27:38.080
<v Speaker 2>playing Northwestern in Georgia Southern in twenty twenty two.

0:27:38.840 --> 0:27:43.880
<v Speaker 1>The lank three and nine Northwestern and Georgia Southern. Yeah,

0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:49.480
<v Speaker 1>gotta be duke, right, Nebraska Brass, I'm zero for three

0:27:49.520 --> 0:27:53.000
<v Speaker 1>in this game. Be more thorough ty, I've been very

0:27:53.040 --> 0:27:55.200
<v Speaker 1>I look, you saw the table that I put here.

0:27:55.760 --> 0:27:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I've been very thorough one two thirty four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:03.520
<v Speaker 1>There's exactly twelve teams, right, I might go three and

0:28:03.600 --> 0:28:06.880
<v Speaker 1>nine in this trivia game. That's okay. Damn.

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:10.119
<v Speaker 2>The thing is about Nebraska is there like the second

0:28:10.240 --> 0:28:13.919
<v Speaker 2>order win all Star squad of this list of teams

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:16.479
<v Speaker 2>they have that's been like the sagging Bill Connley has

0:28:16.520 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 2>been like, Look, Nebraska went three and nine, but it

0:28:19.119 --> 0:28:21.200
<v Speaker 2>was so difficult for them to go three and nine

0:28:21.240 --> 0:28:24.000
<v Speaker 2>with how well they mostly played. I saw another thing

0:28:24.000 --> 0:28:27.439
<v Speaker 2>where Andy Staples wrote about how and he spoke to

0:28:27.440 --> 0:28:30.480
<v Speaker 2>somebody who ran a bunch of models and simulated Nebraska's

0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:35.280
<v Speaker 2>season given their statistical footprint, and said, if Nebraska played

0:28:35.280 --> 0:28:37.960
<v Speaker 2>the season a thousand times, they would mostly go six

0:28:38.000 --> 0:28:40.640
<v Speaker 2>and six, And it was like, hurt. The least likely

0:28:40.720 --> 0:28:44.680
<v Speaker 2>outcome of a thousand simulations of Nebraska season was going

0:28:44.760 --> 0:28:48.920
<v Speaker 2>three and nine. My counter is they did a lot

0:28:48.960 --> 0:28:53.720
<v Speaker 2>of things that three and nine teams do, whether it

0:28:53.800 --> 0:28:56.520
<v Speaker 2>was the special teams, whether it was the offensive line play,

0:28:56.520 --> 0:28:58.360
<v Speaker 2>whether it was the lack of a pass rush, whether

0:28:58.400 --> 0:29:00.240
<v Speaker 2>it was giving up some big plays, whether there was

0:29:00.280 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 2>some really bad high leverage moment decision making. Nebraska, for

0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:11.000
<v Speaker 2>long stretches did also look like a three and nine team.

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Whenever I'm about to do something, I think three and

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 1>nineteen do that, and if they would, I do not

0:29:17.200 --> 0:29:17.800
<v Speaker 1>do that thing.

0:29:18.120 --> 0:29:23.160
<v Speaker 2>See that's just good logic from Dwight Shrut, possibly edited.

0:29:23.680 --> 0:29:30.520
<v Speaker 2>So Nebraska had really interesting moments last year. They made

0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:35.400
<v Speaker 2>really interesting plays. They had really good players on all

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 2>three levels of their defense at times, but they also

0:29:40.000 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 2>would go entire halves without scoring. They would al like

0:29:43.680 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 2>they were just the things where you could understand some

0:29:47.400 --> 0:29:49.640
<v Speaker 2>of the results. Three and nine may have been an

0:29:49.680 --> 0:29:53.360
<v Speaker 2>extreme in terms of how that season played out, with

0:29:53.400 --> 0:29:56.360
<v Speaker 2>how competitive they were against the best teams on their schedule,

0:29:57.080 --> 0:30:03.160
<v Speaker 2>but still there or worry some chunks of their of

0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.880
<v Speaker 2>the twenty twenty one Nebraska experience, and they made a

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:08.840
<v Speaker 2>bunch of wholesale changes, so they're approaching things in a

0:30:08.880 --> 0:30:12.200
<v Speaker 2>serious way. What is your opinion of where Nebraska was

0:30:12.280 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 2>is and can be?

0:30:13.760 --> 0:30:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean the only teams they beat were Fordham,

0:30:16.480 --> 0:30:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Buffalo and Northwestern. And you don't get paid based on

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:25.959
<v Speaker 1>close calls, correct, It's a results based industry. M hm.

0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:31.240
<v Speaker 1>So in looking back at Nebraska, if we compare twenty

0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 1>one to twenty Nebraska about the same, about the same

0:30:39.000 --> 0:30:42.760
<v Speaker 1>the results last year in an abbreviated season. I think

0:30:42.800 --> 0:30:45.800
<v Speaker 1>we're a little bit more in line with that statistical footprint.

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 1>As he said, right, second order wins here off the charts. Yeah,

0:30:49.560 --> 0:30:51.680
<v Speaker 1>second order wins has them as a six and six team,

0:30:52.480 --> 0:30:57.240
<v Speaker 1>but thirty seventh overall in the sp plus thirty third

0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 1>best offense, twenty eighth best defense. So that in and

0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 1>of itself is not really the hallmark of a three

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:06.560
<v Speaker 1>to nine team, and it definitely indicates that there are

0:31:06.560 --> 0:31:11.960
<v Speaker 1>some underlying things that are causing that inconsistency. I think

0:31:12.040 --> 0:31:16.360
<v Speaker 1>is the big one across the board on offense on defense.

0:31:16.480 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 1>Right many weeks three, you couldn't really put your finger

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 1>on it. And I think that's the frustration for Nebraska

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 1>fans now as they look ahead, like the team wasn't

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:29.000
<v Speaker 1>horrible last year. It was decent at times, it just

0:31:29.120 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 1>wasn't decent enough when it really counted, and that's why

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:35.400
<v Speaker 1>they lost nine times. So counterpoint, they were horrible to

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:41.080
<v Speaker 1>their own fans. They were a horrible experience to watch

0:31:41.480 --> 0:31:45.560
<v Speaker 1>as a Husker fan. I'm positive I just wonder, you know,

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, everybody's going to go into the season with

0:31:48.280 --> 0:31:51.800
<v Speaker 1>Scott Frost on the hot seat. Of course, it's just

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:58.400
<v Speaker 1>an inevitability. At this point. I go back and forth

0:31:58.400 --> 0:32:00.000
<v Speaker 1>on whether or not it was smart to retain him

0:32:00.080 --> 0:32:00.680
<v Speaker 1>for another year.

0:32:00.800 --> 0:32:03.440
<v Speaker 2>Well, whatever his I'm sure there were elements beyond like

0:32:03.760 --> 0:32:07.240
<v Speaker 2>is Nebraska good or not? But yeah, continue right, your

0:32:07.280 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 2>point all along has been. The reason they retained him

0:32:10.280 --> 0:32:10.760
<v Speaker 2>is because no.

0:32:10.680 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 1>One else that they wanted wanted the job that they

0:32:14.280 --> 0:32:17.640
<v Speaker 1>asked around and they couldn't find anybody else. Yeah, So

0:32:17.760 --> 0:32:21.000
<v Speaker 1>I think there's probably an element of it. But you know,

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 1>I think we've gotten to the point now where we're

0:32:23.120 --> 0:32:25.400
<v Speaker 1>going to ask the same questions about Scott Frost that

0:32:25.440 --> 0:32:27.960
<v Speaker 1>we've been asking for years on end now about Clay Hilton.

0:32:28.280 --> 0:32:30.400
<v Speaker 1>How many games does he need to win in order

0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:33.600
<v Speaker 1>to retain that job? In looking at the schedule, it

0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:37.880
<v Speaker 1>is fairly workable. It is not a bad schedule. Yeah,

0:32:38.600 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 1>last year is nightmare of a schedule, just at least

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 1>heading into the season what it appeared to be. Yeah,

0:32:43.240 --> 0:32:47.320
<v Speaker 1>they had the fifth hardest schedule last year. This year,

0:32:47.400 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 1>I don't know what the numbers look like. I'm sure

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:52.000
<v Speaker 1>somebody's run them. They've got Oklahoma at home at the

0:32:52.040 --> 0:32:55.000
<v Speaker 1>end of September, which is probably going to be a

0:32:55.040 --> 0:32:58.680
<v Speaker 1>bloodbath of sorts. But beyond that, it seems pretty workable

0:32:58.720 --> 0:33:01.880
<v Speaker 1>to me. Why do you think the Oklahoma game will

0:33:01.920 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 1>be a bloodbath? I don't know. I think I love

0:33:13.840 --> 0:33:19.040
<v Speaker 1>that phrase, and then they'll follow up, Okay, continue Maybe

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:23.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm just being a little bit biased against Nebraska. But yeah,

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:25.160
<v Speaker 1>I guess the game's at home, it's in Lincoln.

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 2>The hell do we know about what Oklahoma's gonna look like?

0:33:28.000 --> 0:33:30.440
<v Speaker 2>All right, all right, okay, sorry.

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:32.160
<v Speaker 1>I just wanted to know there'll be a healthy dog

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:34.920
<v Speaker 1>in that game. Okay, they should be a healthy dog

0:33:34.920 --> 0:33:36.520
<v Speaker 1>in that game, fair enough? What? Okay?

0:33:36.520 --> 0:33:38.760
<v Speaker 2>So your opinion right now? So they make the changes

0:33:38.760 --> 0:33:41.360
<v Speaker 2>that they make. They bring in Chubba Party and Casey

0:33:41.440 --> 0:33:43.880
<v Speaker 2>Thompson Mark Whipples now running the offense. They hire a

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 2>new receivers coach. Think it's Mickey Joseph from LSU. They

0:33:46.880 --> 0:33:49.880
<v Speaker 2>hit the portal reasonably hard. They lose key guys, of course,

0:33:49.920 --> 0:33:53.360
<v Speaker 2>Adrian Martinez to Kansas State. Like, do you feel like

0:33:54.400 --> 0:34:00.800
<v Speaker 2>Nebraska from afar has patched up holes? Has done enough to?

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:01.120
<v Speaker 1>Say?

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:04.959
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I could see them, you know, not making the

0:34:04.960 --> 0:34:07.080
<v Speaker 2>freak mistakes. And you know they hire a full time

0:34:07.120 --> 0:34:09.799
<v Speaker 2>special teams coordinator and that was a major weakness last year.

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:12.440
<v Speaker 2>Have they done enough to And I don't know what

0:34:12.480 --> 0:34:14.759
<v Speaker 2>that number is And I don't know what the competitive

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:17.440
<v Speaker 2>nature of Nebraska has to be for Scott Frost to

0:34:17.520 --> 0:34:21.399
<v Speaker 2>keep his job. But are you if you're a Nebraska fan,

0:34:21.560 --> 0:34:24.560
<v Speaker 2>Are you reasonably happy with the job Scott Frost has

0:34:24.640 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 2>done to try and make things right from a sort

0:34:27.640 --> 0:34:31.600
<v Speaker 2>of administrative roster and coaching staff perspective, reasonably?

0:34:31.640 --> 0:34:34.440
<v Speaker 1>So? Yeah, he's kicked up enough dust that even if

0:34:34.440 --> 0:34:39.040
<v Speaker 1>he hasn't, it's had a nice distracting effect. But I think,

0:34:39.120 --> 0:34:42.080
<v Speaker 1>I think the quarterback thing is important. I'm very curious

0:34:42.080 --> 0:34:45.080
<v Speaker 1>to see how he handles a quarterback position. Adrian Martinez.

0:34:45.120 --> 0:34:47.239
<v Speaker 1>They tried to build the whole plane out of Adrian Martinez,

0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:50.799
<v Speaker 1>and he just wasn't that guy. Yeah, he wasn't that guy. Right.

0:34:51.480 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 1>I think Casey Thompson's a better passer, for sure. I

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:56.799
<v Speaker 1>know he's mobile. We saw him at Texas. He can

0:34:56.840 --> 0:34:59.319
<v Speaker 1>be mobile, but he's a different kind of player and

0:34:59.400 --> 0:35:02.640
<v Speaker 1>son that's true. But yeah, okay, continue that's your opinion,

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:04.360
<v Speaker 1>go for it, right. He's not a runner, but he

0:35:04.400 --> 0:35:07.680
<v Speaker 1>can move in the pocket. I just feel like the

0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:10.800
<v Speaker 1>type of system that Frost wants to run is probably

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:12.880
<v Speaker 1>a better fit for a guy like a Casey Thompson

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:17.520
<v Speaker 1>than somebody like an Adrian Martinez. And so I think

0:35:17.560 --> 0:35:20.160
<v Speaker 1>in that sense, in that sense alone, I feel pretty

0:35:20.200 --> 0:35:22.719
<v Speaker 1>optimistic about where this could head. But you know, then

0:35:22.800 --> 0:35:24.440
<v Speaker 1>you start diving into like, all right, why are the

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:27.160
<v Speaker 1>weapons out? Why can they support a quarterback like that?

0:35:27.520 --> 0:35:29.400
<v Speaker 1>That's a far more nuanced discussion, but I think on

0:35:29.440 --> 0:35:32.760
<v Speaker 1>the surface level, to the extent that we can diagnose

0:35:32.800 --> 0:35:33.920
<v Speaker 1>it here, I feel okay.

0:35:33.680 --> 0:35:37.960
<v Speaker 2>About Yeah it was. My question is, you know, is

0:35:37.960 --> 0:35:40.799
<v Speaker 2>this fully mark Whipples offense? Is this still Scott when

0:35:40.840 --> 0:35:44.120
<v Speaker 2>you have somebody who's had those types of fingerprints on

0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:49.240
<v Speaker 2>an offense and quarterback preparation or quarterback teaching. Where Adrian

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:52.239
<v Speaker 2>Martinez is throwing four picks against Purdue, is you know

0:35:52.760 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 2>making it look there are freak fumble opportunities. They're freak

0:35:55.320 --> 0:35:57.520
<v Speaker 2>you know, not going for fourth down or fourth down calls.

0:35:57.560 --> 0:36:01.360
<v Speaker 2>It's just is Nebraska a team with a coaching staff

0:36:01.440 --> 0:36:05.280
<v Speaker 2>ready to prepare an offense to win moments against equal

0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:09.120
<v Speaker 2>or even slightly better teams. And maybe the addition of

0:36:09.120 --> 0:36:13.799
<v Speaker 2>Whipple is some sort of advantage, but man, I don't know.

0:36:14.120 --> 0:36:16.120
<v Speaker 2>It all feels a little bit too little, too late

0:36:16.160 --> 0:36:22.280
<v Speaker 2>to me. All right, next team, Okay, this next team

0:36:23.000 --> 0:36:27.319
<v Speaker 2>probably had the most precipitous fall on one side of

0:36:27.360 --> 0:36:30.920
<v Speaker 2>the ball. I use the points per drive metric, but

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 2>you can use whatever metric you want on offense or

0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:35.400
<v Speaker 2>defense of any of these teams.

0:36:36.600 --> 0:36:39.920
<v Speaker 1>It's got to be Northwestern's defense, right correct, thank you, yeah,

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:40.279
<v Speaker 1>thank you.

0:36:40.320 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 2>They were first in twenty twenty. If you remember how

0:36:44.000 --> 0:36:45.839
<v Speaker 2>well they played against Ohio State in the Big Ten

0:36:45.920 --> 0:36:48.600
<v Speaker 2>championship game. They win the Big Ten West, They completely

0:36:48.640 --> 0:36:52.839
<v Speaker 2>silence basically everybody that they play on defense, and they

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:55.480
<v Speaker 2>fell from number one in the nation in twenty twenty

0:36:55.719 --> 0:36:59.359
<v Speaker 2>to ninety eighth. That is as far as I can tell,

0:36:59.400 --> 0:37:01.839
<v Speaker 2>as drama as it got in terms of twenty twenty

0:37:01.920 --> 0:37:04.319
<v Speaker 2>to twenty twenty one. Obviously, the context of the twenty

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:09.600
<v Speaker 2>twenty season is part of things here. But Mike Hankwitz

0:37:09.640 --> 0:37:15.759
<v Speaker 2>retires as Northwestern's longtime, uber successful defensive coordinator. They bring

0:37:15.840 --> 0:37:18.759
<v Speaker 2>in Jim O'Neill, who didn't seem to be a guy

0:37:18.800 --> 0:37:21.839
<v Speaker 2>with the most accolades, but that's who they bring in.

0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:22.719
<v Speaker 1>They have this.

0:37:22.960 --> 0:37:26.240
<v Speaker 2>The revolving door at quarterback continues. You know Hunter Johnson

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:28.880
<v Speaker 2>a couple of years priors there. He has since now

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:32.200
<v Speaker 2>gone back to Clemson. Ryan Halensky supposedly comes is a

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:35.440
<v Speaker 2>guy who came in to stabilize things after Peyton Ramsay.

0:37:35.520 --> 0:37:38.640
<v Speaker 2>That doesn't really work out at all. They just they

0:37:38.680 --> 0:37:41.840
<v Speaker 2>have opportunities at times to win interesting games. You know,

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:44.040
<v Speaker 2>the Iowa game was one that comes to mind where

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 2>they're driving with about two minutes left, win that game

0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:50.920
<v Speaker 2>and immediately thrown interception. There were pieces on this defense,

0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:53.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, Chris Bergen there was you know, the Bergen

0:37:53.680 --> 0:37:58.719
<v Speaker 2>brothers were were longtime Northwestern stalwarts as playmakers. Was a

0:37:58.760 --> 0:38:02.000
<v Speaker 2>walk on and Joseph ops to transfer. He was a

0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:03.920
<v Speaker 2>freshman All American. He ends up at he's at Notre

0:38:04.000 --> 0:38:07.319
<v Speaker 2>Dame as Marcus Freeman brings him over to solidify that

0:38:07.360 --> 0:38:13.560
<v Speaker 2>secondary that lost Kyle Hamilton. So Northwestern's defense, just especially upfront,

0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:17.080
<v Speaker 2>especially getting after the passer, especially running that really tight

0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:19.920
<v Speaker 2>zone that they've run for the past few years, just

0:38:20.040 --> 0:38:22.720
<v Speaker 2>fully fell off a cliff. Evan Hall stepped up on offense.

0:38:22.760 --> 0:38:25.840
<v Speaker 2>He was a bright spot at running back. But man,

0:38:26.440 --> 0:38:31.840
<v Speaker 2>this Northwestern team, which had largely gotten the Big West

0:38:31.840 --> 0:38:35.000
<v Speaker 2>and its own fans used to competing on an interesting

0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:38.720
<v Speaker 2>level more often than not, just turned in another nightmare

0:38:38.760 --> 0:38:39.320
<v Speaker 2>of a season.

0:38:39.920 --> 0:38:44.560
<v Speaker 1>It was bad. The defensive falloff was very precipitous, and

0:38:45.560 --> 0:38:48.040
<v Speaker 1>that's not doing the team any favors, if only because

0:38:48.040 --> 0:38:51.000
<v Speaker 1>the offense is always in a spot where we're questioning

0:38:51.040 --> 0:38:53.399
<v Speaker 1>where the points coming from. What was the last time

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:57.080
<v Speaker 1>we talked about a Northwestern offense is electric? Oh wait,

0:38:57.760 --> 0:38:58.319
<v Speaker 1>it's been.

0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:03.799
<v Speaker 2>There were Clayton Thorson moments, but not a full year

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:05.759
<v Speaker 2>of electricity. Just sparks.

0:39:05.840 --> 0:39:08.440
<v Speaker 1>And that's fine, right, that's okay. You can win like that,

0:39:08.600 --> 0:39:11.480
<v Speaker 1>but it is contingent on you having a decent defense,

0:39:11.760 --> 0:39:14.080
<v Speaker 1>and they just didn't have that last year. Per the

0:39:14.200 --> 0:39:18.200
<v Speaker 1>sp Plus, they went from third to seventy second. The

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:23.960
<v Speaker 1>team as a whole because of that, dropped from thirtieth

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 1>in the sp Plus all the way down to one

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:29.839
<v Speaker 1>oh six, right, mostly because of the defense. They went

0:39:29.960 --> 0:39:33.000
<v Speaker 1>seven to two and twenty twenty three and nine obviously

0:39:33.040 --> 0:39:37.799
<v Speaker 1>this past year. So moving forward, I think a lot

0:39:37.880 --> 0:39:40.719
<v Speaker 1>of what you mentioned in play here right, there are

0:39:41.000 --> 0:39:43.560
<v Speaker 1>pieces on the defense that are going to need to

0:39:43.600 --> 0:39:46.200
<v Speaker 1>be replaced. On top of the fact that they need

0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:47.920
<v Speaker 1>to figure out a way to get better on defense.

0:39:48.400 --> 0:39:51.560
<v Speaker 1>Whatever they tried last year did not help. On offense,

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:54.759
<v Speaker 1>they bring a lot back, so hopefully that side of

0:39:54.760 --> 0:39:58.120
<v Speaker 1>the ball improves, But to go from one hundred and

0:39:58.160 --> 0:40:01.239
<v Speaker 1>eighteenth up doesn't really acquire a whole lot. It just

0:40:01.440 --> 0:40:04.440
<v Speaker 1>now requires a little bit more competence. So I expect

0:40:04.440 --> 0:40:06.560
<v Speaker 1>they'll get better. It's just a matter of can they

0:40:06.600 --> 0:40:08.359
<v Speaker 1>get better enough to pick up the slack for the

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:11.440
<v Speaker 1>defense wherever that ends up, and then on top of it,

0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:14.040
<v Speaker 1>on top of it, on top of it, they get

0:40:14.080 --> 0:40:17.239
<v Speaker 1>both Penn State and Ohio State from the east in

0:40:17.280 --> 0:40:20.080
<v Speaker 1>some of their cross divisional games, which is about as

0:40:20.120 --> 0:40:23.000
<v Speaker 1>bad as you can do. Yeah, So I don't know. Man,

0:40:23.280 --> 0:40:25.880
<v Speaker 1>Like I know, there's no rush to fire Pat Fitzgerald.

0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't expect they ever will. But on some level,

0:40:31.440 --> 0:40:33.440
<v Speaker 1>if you don't see the improvement, you got to ask

0:40:33.520 --> 0:40:37.400
<v Speaker 1>the question, what's the plan here? What's the what's the

0:40:37.440 --> 0:40:40.480
<v Speaker 1>plan here? Another bad defensive effort in twenty twenty two

0:40:40.560 --> 0:40:43.040
<v Speaker 1>could be a real deal breaker there. I don't know

0:40:43.800 --> 0:40:47.319
<v Speaker 1>what a couple points here is one. I think you

0:40:47.480 --> 0:40:51.520
<v Speaker 1>undersold how good a defense needs to be with an

0:40:51.520 --> 0:40:55.640
<v Speaker 1>offense that's been so woefully ineffective. It's the half team

0:40:55.719 --> 0:41:00.719
<v Speaker 1>thing Northwestern's defense. They need to be great every year

0:41:00.920 --> 0:41:03.080
<v Speaker 1>to hold up their end of the bargain and win

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:06.239
<v Speaker 1>six to ten games. Here's a factoid for you about

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:09.440
<v Speaker 1>the Northwestern offense. I look this one up before place,

0:41:09.640 --> 0:41:13.560
<v Speaker 1>Northwestern had no quarterback on the roster throw for more

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:19.200
<v Speaker 1>touchdowns and interceptions. The best that they did was Andrew Marty. Yeah,

0:41:19.800 --> 0:41:23.239
<v Speaker 1>he went six and six, six touchdowns, six interceptions. But

0:41:23.320 --> 0:41:28.000
<v Speaker 1>Ryan Halenski three touchdowns, four picks. Hunter Johnson in the

0:41:28.040 --> 0:41:33.960
<v Speaker 1>limited action he saw four touchdowns, four interceptions. I could

0:41:34.000 --> 0:41:35.920
<v Speaker 1>dive in more on the quarterback stats, you don't want

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:38.560
<v Speaker 1>me to, but let's just leave it there that they

0:41:38.640 --> 0:41:41.040
<v Speaker 1>just didn't get anything on the quarterback front. Evan Hall,

0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:43.719
<v Speaker 1>like you said, bright spot, Evan Hall had a nice year,

0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:46.839
<v Speaker 1>but beyond that, just not much in the passing game.

0:41:47.360 --> 0:41:50.520
<v Speaker 2>The other thing I would add, just because we have

0:41:50.600 --> 0:41:56.480
<v Speaker 2>what Stanford Northwestern duke on this list we talked about

0:41:56.560 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 2>Vandy last time, is in this current era, this transfer

0:42:01.120 --> 0:42:05.120
<v Speaker 2>portal era, this this movement across the sport in ways

0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:08.200
<v Speaker 2>unlike what we've ever seen, is going to put these

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:12.799
<v Speaker 2>more rigorous academic programs at a pretty big disadvantage just

0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:18.560
<v Speaker 2>because the barrier for entry academically for these schools makes

0:42:18.600 --> 0:42:21.520
<v Speaker 2>it nearly impossible. I know Stanford picked up a transfer,

0:42:21.520 --> 0:42:24.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what Northwestern. They didn't hit the portal

0:42:24.080 --> 0:42:27.680
<v Speaker 2>especially hard this year, right, and so Pat Fitzgerald runs

0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:31.920
<v Speaker 2>this program out of and at times really successfully a

0:42:31.960 --> 0:42:35.319
<v Speaker 2>sense of loyalty for his assistant coaches and his coordinators.

0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:40.320
<v Speaker 2>Like how long was was Northwestern running at best underwhelming offense.

0:42:40.360 --> 0:42:43.360
<v Speaker 2>He just was extremely loyal to the offensive side of

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:46.120
<v Speaker 2>the ball there. And so if you're not able to

0:42:46.200 --> 0:42:50.719
<v Speaker 2>make wholesale changes to improve your team because of that

0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:54.399
<v Speaker 2>sense of loyalty because of the academic restrictions or it's

0:42:54.400 --> 0:42:57.160
<v Speaker 2>not you know, restriction, obviously, it's just it's going to

0:42:57.200 --> 0:43:00.160
<v Speaker 2>be tricky. It's trickier. It's going to be a small

0:43:00.320 --> 0:43:02.160
<v Speaker 2>pool of guys who were able to come to your

0:43:02.200 --> 0:43:06.560
<v Speaker 2>school for an immediate infusion of talent and improvement. And

0:43:06.640 --> 0:43:12.080
<v Speaker 2>so it's just Northwestern the margin for air of high

0:43:12.120 --> 0:43:17.560
<v Speaker 2>school evaluation has to be so much better than everybody else.

0:43:17.600 --> 0:43:20.440
<v Speaker 2>And that the same goes for Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech.

0:43:20.520 --> 0:43:22.600
<v Speaker 1>That's another one of those teams. You know, it's just

0:43:23.440 --> 0:43:28.120
<v Speaker 1>it's just more difficult and more difficult than ever. All right,

0:43:28.200 --> 0:43:31.480
<v Speaker 1>next team, All right, I'm pulling up the list right now.

0:43:36.640 --> 0:43:40.160
<v Speaker 1>This team went two and ten against the spread and

0:43:40.440 --> 0:43:46.400
<v Speaker 1>didn't score more than fourteen points after October second.

0:43:47.280 --> 0:43:50.120
<v Speaker 2>Is that a real stat. That's a real stat. They

0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:52.399
<v Speaker 2>did not score more than fourteen points in a game

0:43:52.560 --> 0:43:55.480
<v Speaker 2>after October second, a date in which they had a

0:43:55.600 --> 0:43:59.319
<v Speaker 2>decent but not huge sized upset. October second was a

0:43:59.320 --> 0:44:01.319
<v Speaker 2>decent sized up and they did not score that more

0:44:01.320 --> 0:44:03.600
<v Speaker 2>than fourteen points from that point thereafter.

0:44:04.920 --> 0:44:12.279
<v Speaker 1>Wow. I don't think it's Duke because I can't think

0:44:12.320 --> 0:44:17.480
<v Speaker 1>of an upset that Duke was part of. And I

0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:20.040
<v Speaker 1>don't think it was Georgia Tech or Stanford.

0:44:20.480 --> 0:44:23.920
<v Speaker 2>No, Stanford had a big upset, but no, they scored

0:44:23.960 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more better than that in some of

0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:26.160
<v Speaker 2>those games.

0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:32.720
<v Speaker 1>I'll say, gosh, let's go Georgia Southern Temple.

0:44:34.680 --> 0:44:38.799
<v Speaker 2>So Temple beats Memphis. On October second, Temple beats Memphis.

0:44:39.600 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Rodkerrey no longer the head coach of the Owls. The

0:44:42.640 --> 0:44:45.760
<v Speaker 2>hired Stan Drayton. He of I mean, he was at Texas,

0:44:45.760 --> 0:44:48.240
<v Speaker 2>but he's been you know, NFL. He's he's been around

0:44:48.680 --> 0:44:53.239
<v Speaker 2>and I think pretty highly regarded higher. Stan Drayton, who

0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:55.120
<v Speaker 2>was you know, background as a running backs coach, to

0:44:55.160 --> 0:44:58.080
<v Speaker 2>take over the program, Temple was just full on bat.

0:44:58.160 --> 0:45:00.680
<v Speaker 2>They bring in Dwan Mathis from Georgia as a transfer,

0:45:00.719 --> 0:45:03.920
<v Speaker 2>he enters the portal, but then has since decided to return.

0:45:04.960 --> 0:45:07.360
<v Speaker 2>It's going to be a complete overhaul. It's going to

0:45:07.400 --> 0:45:11.840
<v Speaker 2>take time. At Temple, they just didn't do much well

0:45:12.000 --> 0:45:14.200
<v Speaker 2>last year, and they're one of the that's I mean,

0:45:14.920 --> 0:45:17.920
<v Speaker 2>aside from being bad as the primary reason and being

0:45:17.920 --> 0:45:21.840
<v Speaker 2>bad consistently. You can keep your job if you're somebody

0:45:21.880 --> 0:45:25.640
<v Speaker 2>like Scott Frost when there's hope, when there's reason to say, Okay,

0:45:25.680 --> 0:45:27.440
<v Speaker 2>we lost these games when it was closed and the

0:45:27.480 --> 0:45:31.880
<v Speaker 2>results didn't really didn't really match with the performance of

0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:33.720
<v Speaker 2>which there were a lot of good performances for Nebraska.

0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:37.880
<v Speaker 2>They just came up short in big moments. Temple was

0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:40.680
<v Speaker 2>just kind of bad at everything. Their past defense was

0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:43.240
<v Speaker 2>okay at times but still gave up too many big plays.

0:45:45.280 --> 0:45:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Just bad, just not a good team and didn't recruit

0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:50.560
<v Speaker 2>especially well.

0:45:52.640 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:57.440
<v Speaker 2>The hope is that Temple has been a place where

0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:02.440
<v Speaker 2>coaches can succeed. Philadelphia is not the middle of nowhere.

0:46:02.560 --> 0:46:04.800
<v Speaker 2>You can get players from the Northeast. There is football

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:06.360
<v Speaker 2>culture in the Northeast, not what it is in the

0:46:06.400 --> 0:46:10.000
<v Speaker 2>Midwest of the South. But with what Al Golden and

0:46:10.000 --> 0:46:12.759
<v Speaker 2>then Matt Rule and kind of Steve A. DAZZI were

0:46:12.760 --> 0:46:15.120
<v Speaker 2>able to do. You go to bowl games as a

0:46:15.120 --> 0:46:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Temple owl, and it's going to be recruiting, it's going

0:46:18.560 --> 0:46:22.279
<v Speaker 2>to be evaluation, it's going to be getting lucky with

0:46:22.400 --> 0:46:25.439
<v Speaker 2>other teams in the conference. But that's where Temple sits

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:25.879
<v Speaker 2>right now.

0:46:26.400 --> 0:46:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Temple's hired really well in the past. Yeah, they've got

0:46:30.320 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 1>a track record for hiring, just not this time. It

0:46:34.400 --> 0:46:37.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't really work out, and so to go a different direction.

0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:41.560
<v Speaker 1>Stan Drayton, whom I never heard of before, I must admit, yeah,

0:46:42.200 --> 0:46:45.120
<v Speaker 1>never heard of the guy. But the riding was on

0:46:45.160 --> 0:46:46.120
<v Speaker 1>the wall that they were going to go in a

0:46:46.160 --> 0:46:50.160
<v Speaker 1>different direction before last season, even before what we saw

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:53.120
<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty one happened. This is a team that

0:46:53.200 --> 0:46:57.920
<v Speaker 1>was one in six in twenty twenty abbreviated schedule. All

0:46:57.920 --> 0:46:59.759
<v Speaker 1>the numbers lined up with a one and six team,

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:04.239
<v Speaker 1>and again this past year they got worse pretty much

0:47:04.280 --> 0:47:07.799
<v Speaker 1>across the board, and the numbers line up. The fact

0:47:07.840 --> 0:47:09.319
<v Speaker 1>that they got the three and nine I think is

0:47:09.880 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 1>sort of an accomplishment. So the riding is on the wall.

0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:16.040
<v Speaker 1>It made sense. I echo your sentiment. It is a

0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:19.359
<v Speaker 1>place where coaches have succeeded in the past, you can't

0:47:19.360 --> 0:47:20.160
<v Speaker 1>succeed a Temple.

0:47:20.360 --> 0:47:23.000
<v Speaker 2>They hadn't they hadn't fired a coach since nineteen ninety two.

0:47:23.440 --> 0:47:26.040
<v Speaker 1>They've hired really well. It is just a place, as

0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:28.960
<v Speaker 1>you said, that may not necessarily have that football culture

0:47:29.520 --> 0:47:32.600
<v Speaker 1>like you'd find in State College Pennsylvania. Right, everybody in

0:47:32.640 --> 0:47:34.719
<v Speaker 1>Philly cares about the Eagles. They care about Temple when

0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:35.360
<v Speaker 1>they're on ABC.

0:47:35.640 --> 0:47:37.560
<v Speaker 2>I was just gonna say, there are enough programs in

0:47:37.600 --> 0:47:41.400
<v Speaker 2>the area. Sure, in the portal era between Penn State

0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:45.040
<v Speaker 2>and Syracuse and Boston College and pitt like, there are

0:47:45.200 --> 0:47:48.799
<v Speaker 2>enough places where Temple is a and like they've had

0:47:49.120 --> 0:47:52.640
<v Speaker 2>good dudes drafted. Oh my godn Reddick, who is the

0:47:52.680 --> 0:47:57.000
<v Speaker 2>recent edge guy? Like they've had guys so like if

0:47:57.080 --> 0:47:59.279
<v Speaker 2>Stan Drayton is that guy, if he hires well, if he,

0:48:00.040 --> 0:48:02.400
<v Speaker 2>I mean it proves too a hired well, if he

0:48:02.480 --> 0:48:05.239
<v Speaker 2>recruits well enough and you know, sets up Temple as

0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:07.360
<v Speaker 2>a destination, it's an interesting place.

0:48:07.880 --> 0:48:10.640
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm I'm with you. I'll remain optimistic. This is

0:48:10.680 --> 0:48:13.560
<v Speaker 1>a program that's had some success. And who knows the

0:48:13.600 --> 0:48:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Manny Diaz era, Like, who knows what that could have been?

0:48:17.560 --> 0:48:20.600
<v Speaker 1>The Many era? Wow, Yeah, lasted all of like forty

0:48:20.600 --> 0:48:23.240
<v Speaker 1>eight hours. Two weeks lasted all of forty eight hours.

0:48:23.280 --> 0:48:26.000
<v Speaker 1>I didn't pull up Temple's twenty twenty two schedule. I'm

0:48:26.040 --> 0:48:28.680
<v Speaker 1>not that concerned about it. You're ready for the next

0:48:28.719 --> 0:48:30.200
<v Speaker 1>thing to it again. Let's do it again. So I

0:48:30.239 --> 0:48:34.080
<v Speaker 1>am I am one, two, three, four, five, I'm one

0:48:34.120 --> 0:48:40.040
<v Speaker 1>in four in guessing these teams. Okay, hmmm.

0:48:41.120 --> 0:48:45.640
<v Speaker 2>This team's offense was historically bad and clearly the worst

0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:48.560
<v Speaker 2>in America in twenty twenty one. Got to be New Mexico, right,

0:48:48.719 --> 0:48:51.279
<v Speaker 2>it was New Mexico. Yeah, yeah, play the play that

0:48:51.320 --> 0:48:56.120
<v Speaker 2>sound please, thank you. The defense wasn't great, but there

0:48:56.200 --> 0:48:59.280
<v Speaker 2>is reason to believe now with Danny Gonzalez and Rocky

0:48:59.320 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 2>Long switching. Daneganzelz played for Rocky Long at New Mexico,

0:49:03.239 --> 0:49:05.640
<v Speaker 2>coached for him at San Diego State. Rocky Long, if

0:49:05.640 --> 0:49:08.320
<v Speaker 2>you remember, was flirting with just leaving the head coaching

0:49:08.640 --> 0:49:11.880
<v Speaker 2>job to talk to like Syracuse and his former assistant there,

0:49:13.920 --> 0:49:18.160
<v Speaker 2>or spoke with with with Syracuse just in general about

0:49:18.520 --> 0:49:21.000
<v Speaker 2>becoming their defensive coordinator. As an active head coach at

0:49:21.000 --> 0:49:23.000
<v Speaker 2>San Diego State, he takes over took over the defense

0:49:23.040 --> 0:49:26.680
<v Speaker 2>at San Diego at excuse me, New Mexico and they

0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:29.160
<v Speaker 2>made plays. You know that that three three five defense

0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:31.040
<v Speaker 2>is always going to be tricky. And he was actually

0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:34.160
<v Speaker 2>good as a head coach at New Mexico. They went

0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:36.000
<v Speaker 2>to a bowl game, I want to say, in like

0:49:36.080 --> 0:49:39.160
<v Speaker 2>five of six years in the early to mid two thousands,

0:49:39.480 --> 0:49:42.600
<v Speaker 2>the Lobos did. They just it's an uphill battle. It's

0:49:42.640 --> 0:49:45.799
<v Speaker 2>not you know, a state that produces a ton of talent.

0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:48.160
<v Speaker 2>They're gonna have to lean on Texas, lean on California

0:49:48.200 --> 0:49:48.720
<v Speaker 2>good amount.

0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:52.560
<v Speaker 1>And just I don't know enough about the program, and

0:49:52.600 --> 0:49:54.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't know enough about the program as a destination.

0:49:55.120 --> 0:49:58.040
<v Speaker 1>But you're not going to attract a ton of names

0:49:58.880 --> 0:50:00.600
<v Speaker 1>to go to the land of Enchantment.

0:50:00.920 --> 0:50:03.719
<v Speaker 2>So we'll see. They we know that they're ceiling. I

0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:05.399
<v Speaker 2>think Bob Davey took him to a bowl or two.

0:50:05.719 --> 0:50:08.120
<v Speaker 2>Mike Loxley was a complete nightmare and disaster as a

0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:08.839
<v Speaker 2>head coach there.

0:50:10.040 --> 0:50:11.040
<v Speaker 1>Well, we'll see.

0:50:11.160 --> 0:50:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Is the best that I can offer. They haven't recruited

0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:15.440
<v Speaker 2>especially well. I mentioned at the top Miles Kendrick, the

0:50:15.480 --> 0:50:20.400
<v Speaker 2>quarterback transfer from Kansas, ended up as a Lobo. But man,

0:50:20.880 --> 0:50:22.839
<v Speaker 2>they just they lost a ton in the portal, which

0:50:22.840 --> 0:50:25.960
<v Speaker 2>is worrisome that this is not necessarily going to work

0:50:26.000 --> 0:50:28.000
<v Speaker 2>out in long term, but it could have just been

0:50:28.600 --> 0:50:32.279
<v Speaker 2>been holdovers from the previous era. I just it's not

0:50:32.360 --> 0:50:35.120
<v Speaker 2>a place like even Temple or some of these other

0:50:35.160 --> 0:50:37.680
<v Speaker 2>schools where you can envision because of the local talent

0:50:37.760 --> 0:50:41.040
<v Speaker 2>and because it appearing as a transfer destination that they

0:50:41.040 --> 0:50:42.600
<v Speaker 2>could become a Bowl team in a year or two.

0:50:43.040 --> 0:50:43.799
<v Speaker 2>It's hard to see.

0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:47.480
<v Speaker 1>With New Mexico. I think dream Point dream Style Stadium.

0:50:47.520 --> 0:50:50.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm going a different direction. I have nothing productive to

0:50:50.160 --> 0:50:54.239
<v Speaker 1>say about New Mexico. Okay, dream Style Stadium, which is

0:50:54.280 --> 0:50:58.200
<v Speaker 1>where they play. Yeah, capacity about forty five thousand. I

0:50:58.280 --> 0:51:03.680
<v Speaker 1>believe that's good. Dream Style Stadium has hosted two very

0:51:03.719 --> 0:51:11.000
<v Speaker 1>famous artists musicians groups in his past. I was gonna

0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:15.000
<v Speaker 1>say Georgia O'Keefe, no different, no still life here. This

0:51:15.080 --> 0:51:18.600
<v Speaker 1>is in the nineties, mid to late nineties. Two acts

0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:23.480
<v Speaker 1>in particular moved through dream Style Stadium. Can you name

0:51:23.800 --> 0:51:24.479
<v Speaker 1>one of the two?

0:51:25.040 --> 0:51:27.839
<v Speaker 2>Does it align with the fact that it's in New

0:51:27.880 --> 0:51:29.680
<v Speaker 2>Mexico or is it just random?

0:51:29.840 --> 0:51:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Is it?

0:51:30.040 --> 0:51:33.720
<v Speaker 2>Are you just going to say Eifel sixty five or something.

0:51:33.880 --> 0:51:39.319
<v Speaker 1>They're definitely more well known of Thannifel sixty five. Two

0:51:39.440 --> 0:51:46.040
<v Speaker 1>prominent acts mid to late nineties. Mid to late nineties,

0:51:46.040 --> 0:51:49.560
<v Speaker 1>did Cheryl Crowe pass through dream Style Stadium? Cheryl Crow

0:51:49.680 --> 0:51:54.480
<v Speaker 1>did what as an opening act for somebody else, But

0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:58.439
<v Speaker 1>Cheryl Crow was part of the Bridges to Babylon tour.

0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:01.279
<v Speaker 1>Thank you play that for yourself? The Stones? That was

0:52:01.320 --> 0:52:05.200
<v Speaker 1>The Stones in ninety seven. Wow, okay, I just there's

0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:11.880
<v Speaker 1>something very Southwestern about Cheryl Crow. Vibes Cheryl Croaking Up

0:52:11.920 --> 0:52:14.960
<v Speaker 1>the Sun October thirtieth, nineteen ninety seven. She was the

0:52:14.960 --> 0:52:17.760
<v Speaker 1>opening act for The Stones. The other one in the nineties.

0:52:17.920 --> 0:52:20.720
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure there were more, but the other more prominent

0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:24.440
<v Speaker 1>one in the nineties, nineteen ninety four, August the second

0:52:25.000 --> 0:52:28.520
<v Speaker 1>Metallica Metallica.

0:52:27.760 --> 0:52:31.200
<v Speaker 2>That's super prominent. Yeah, Stones and Metallica coming into the

0:52:31.320 --> 0:52:33.120
<v Speaker 2>dream Style whatever it was called back then.

0:52:33.239 --> 0:52:36.080
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, Cheryl Crow out of nowhere, I could have

0:52:36.120 --> 0:52:36.920
<v Speaker 1>picked anybody.

0:52:37.040 --> 0:52:39.480
<v Speaker 2>You're watching my eyes, you're here. I'm not tapp tapping,

0:52:39.640 --> 0:52:40.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing anything.

0:52:40.640 --> 0:52:46.600
<v Speaker 1>No, no, wow, boom, there's any nugget for you. I

0:52:46.640 --> 0:52:48.279
<v Speaker 1>love that. Thank you very much. Next time.

0:52:50.640 --> 0:52:56.719
<v Speaker 2>Uh this oh man, This team, despite being pretty competitive

0:52:56.760 --> 0:53:02.640
<v Speaker 2>in their losses, finished twenty empty two's class. So the

0:53:02.680 --> 0:53:05.440
<v Speaker 2>recruiting class with the worst in its conference.

0:53:09.520 --> 0:53:11.600
<v Speaker 1>Is this power five team? You know it is not

0:53:11.880 --> 0:53:14.640
<v Speaker 1>It is not Ohio. I don't know it is Ohio.

0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:18.040
<v Speaker 1>It is play look at you, look at me. Let's

0:53:18.080 --> 0:53:18.720
<v Speaker 1>go fire.

0:53:19.360 --> 0:53:21.840
<v Speaker 2>They moved the ball. This is another Rourk, not Nathan.

0:53:21.880 --> 0:53:24.319
<v Speaker 2>I think it was Curtis Rorke. They moved the ball

0:53:24.360 --> 0:53:27.320
<v Speaker 2>decently enough on the ground. Armani Rogers, the UNLV transfer

0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:29.920
<v Speaker 2>came in as sort of a dual threat role couldn't

0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:35.560
<v Speaker 2>really pass, so sort of a mono threat. They could

0:53:35.640 --> 0:53:40.040
<v Speaker 2>run the ball, and they just couldn't finish drives worth anything.

0:53:40.239 --> 0:53:42.120
<v Speaker 2>They could not get in the end zone at all.

0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:44.160
<v Speaker 2>They would move it and just stop it. And so

0:53:45.040 --> 0:53:48.600
<v Speaker 2>that's where the Bobcats really suffered. And then they couldn't

0:53:48.600 --> 0:53:51.239
<v Speaker 2>recruit Tim Alban in his first year. Frank Souliz retires

0:53:52.040 --> 0:53:54.520
<v Speaker 2>relatively close to the season, So there was that weird

0:53:54.680 --> 0:53:56.080
<v Speaker 2>you know, and that's gonna happen in year one in

0:53:56.200 --> 0:53:58.439
<v Speaker 2>the recruiting cycle where you're not just not given time

0:53:58.480 --> 0:54:03.960
<v Speaker 2>to to help form and generate relationships with with high

0:54:04.000 --> 0:54:06.920
<v Speaker 2>school coaches and classes. But Miami of Ohio is a

0:54:06.920 --> 0:54:09.080
<v Speaker 2>pretty good Win into their credit. They were once again

0:54:09.120 --> 0:54:14.080
<v Speaker 2>competitive in those losses, which all things consider better to

0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:17.239
<v Speaker 2>be competitive than not. So Ohio is a place that

0:54:17.719 --> 0:54:20.400
<v Speaker 2>has I mean, Frank Solch won a ton of games

0:54:20.840 --> 0:54:25.720
<v Speaker 2>in Athens, and I don't know. I'm optimistic that Ohio

0:54:25.719 --> 0:54:28.080
<v Speaker 2>can get back to that point because the max seems

0:54:28.200 --> 0:54:33.880
<v Speaker 2>as open as ever. But I just the identity shift

0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:36.680
<v Speaker 2>and the coaching and the high leverage moments, it's just

0:54:36.719 --> 0:54:37.880
<v Speaker 2>going to need to get way better.

0:54:38.840 --> 0:54:43.160
<v Speaker 1>Did you know that the bobcat is a species that

0:54:43.280 --> 0:54:46.680
<v Speaker 1>is native to Ohio? I did not know that it's

0:54:46.800 --> 0:54:52.240
<v Speaker 1>one of seven wildcat species that is found in North America. Okay,

0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:55.279
<v Speaker 1>what are the others? I don't know what the others are.

0:54:55.920 --> 0:54:58.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm getting this whatever you're on on Wikipedia. No, I'm

0:54:58.640 --> 0:55:01.000
<v Speaker 1>getting this from the Ohio Department bit of Natural Resources.

0:55:01.000 --> 0:55:03.520
<v Speaker 1>I don't do Wikipedia. You know that I know Athens

0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:07.440
<v Speaker 1>much more the Wikipedia. Dan come on, Athens has been

0:55:07.480 --> 0:55:10.400
<v Speaker 1>on a lot of lists. Athens, Ohio, not Athens, George Athens,

0:55:10.440 --> 0:55:13.240
<v Speaker 1>Ohio has been on a lot of best college town lists.

0:55:14.040 --> 0:55:16.880
<v Speaker 1>So there must be something correlated to the fact that

0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:20.399
<v Speaker 1>Ohio has been able to attract winning football players and

0:55:20.680 --> 0:55:24.760
<v Speaker 1>be located in a desirable place to go to school. So, yeah,

0:55:25.000 --> 0:55:27.959
<v Speaker 1>Ohio is in a kind of a deep funk right now.

0:55:28.000 --> 0:55:32.400
<v Speaker 1>But we'll see. We'll see next team. Are you ready,

0:55:32.520 --> 0:55:33.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm ready, let's go.

0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:40.239
<v Speaker 2>This team looks to be starting a transfer quarterback who

0:55:40.320 --> 0:55:43.200
<v Speaker 2>would be playing in games.

0:55:43.320 --> 0:55:46.000
<v Speaker 1>In his sixth year. He has played in games in

0:55:46.080 --> 0:55:50.799
<v Speaker 1>five straight years and presumably will be playing in a

0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:53.320
<v Speaker 1>sixth straight season. Now he's you know, injury, so we

0:55:53.360 --> 0:55:54.960
<v Speaker 1>don't play the game or two in some of those years.

0:55:55.320 --> 0:55:57.560
<v Speaker 1>But was a three year starter at his previous place.

0:55:58.080 --> 0:56:03.640
<v Speaker 1>A three year starter at his previous Yeah, I gotta

0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:04.600
<v Speaker 1>be honest, I don't know the answer.

0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Again, his coach is not easily recognizable in a Hudson News.

0:56:10.400 --> 0:56:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh, Georgia Southern.

0:56:12.400 --> 0:56:17.480
<v Speaker 2>Yes, correct, Kyle Van Trees playing. He transfers in from Buffalo.

0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:18.560
<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh.

0:56:18.800 --> 0:56:23.600
<v Speaker 2>He had thrown balls in five consecutive seasons for the Bulls.

0:56:23.719 --> 0:56:26.719
<v Speaker 1>There's a Forrest Gump quality there where you're going to

0:56:26.760 --> 0:56:28.480
<v Speaker 1>go back through the archives and just find him in

0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:32.120
<v Speaker 1>black and white photos, like at prominent games. What's Van

0:56:32.200 --> 0:56:33.240
<v Speaker 1>Trees doing here? Okay?

0:56:33.760 --> 0:56:38.160
<v Speaker 2>He started college in twenty seventeen. Goes now to State's

0:56:38.160 --> 0:56:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Borough and plays for Georgia Southern, and we'll see what

0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:43.239
<v Speaker 2>happens for Georgia Southern. They lost six of seven to

0:56:43.400 --> 0:56:45.959
<v Speaker 2>end their season. They hire Clay Helton. By the way,

0:56:46.080 --> 0:56:48.680
<v Speaker 2>their new defensive coordinator is Will Harris, who was the

0:56:48.680 --> 0:56:53.200
<v Speaker 2>corners coach at Washington. An awesome corner for USC. So

0:56:53.239 --> 0:56:57.160
<v Speaker 2>you have the USC connection at Georgia Southern. They didn't

0:56:57.440 --> 0:57:01.480
<v Speaker 2>hit the portal especially hard, but to me, it's a

0:57:01.520 --> 0:57:05.840
<v Speaker 2>place you can win. Local talent is there. The conference

0:57:06.000 --> 0:57:09.399
<v Speaker 2>becomes a lot trickier with the additions on the other side. Yeah,

0:57:09.440 --> 0:57:10.480
<v Speaker 2>but true.

0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:13.480
<v Speaker 1>Georgia Southern interesting. They were an a win program in

0:57:13.480 --> 0:57:16.800
<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty. They were pretty good. They were yeah, eight

0:57:16.840 --> 0:57:21.360
<v Speaker 1>and five. The defense was not bad in twenty twenty

0:57:21.440 --> 0:57:24.920
<v Speaker 1>is a top fifty defense. But that bottomed out. It

0:57:24.920 --> 0:57:27.720
<v Speaker 1>all sort of bottomed out past season. That was the issue.

0:57:27.840 --> 0:57:31.040
<v Speaker 1>Defense went from forty sixth all the way down to

0:57:31.080 --> 0:57:35.240
<v Speaker 1>one ten. Yeah, and I think base largely on that

0:57:35.440 --> 0:57:38.000
<v Speaker 1>drop off. That's how you go from seventy first overall

0:57:38.040 --> 0:57:39.920
<v Speaker 1>in SP plus all the way down to one seventeen.

0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:43.920
<v Speaker 1>Second order wins count for Georgia Southern three point zero

0:57:44.000 --> 0:57:47.080
<v Speaker 1>right on the nose. So we'll see what Clay Helton

0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:48.800
<v Speaker 1>can do. That'll be an interesting story to follow.

0:57:49.360 --> 0:57:55.040
<v Speaker 2>As I mentioned, they're playing Nebraska at Nebraska and Georgia Southern.

0:57:55.080 --> 0:57:57.120
<v Speaker 2>Just to correct myself, they are in the sun Belt East,

0:57:57.120 --> 0:58:00.760
<v Speaker 2>the proposed hypothetical sun Belt East with the new so

0:58:01.480 --> 0:58:05.000
<v Speaker 2>a bit trickier of a division. But I don't know,

0:58:05.160 --> 0:58:07.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm reasonably optimistic with Georgia Southern.

0:58:08.120 --> 0:58:11.800
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. All right, next team, are you ready?

0:58:12.160 --> 0:58:14.880
<v Speaker 1>Who do we have left? We've got that Southern miss

0:58:14.960 --> 0:58:19.680
<v Speaker 1>Duke Stanford and Georgia Tech. This team has wall to

0:58:19.760 --> 0:58:24.280
<v Speaker 1>wall murderers their schedule, and it doesn't seem like their

0:58:24.280 --> 0:58:27.520
<v Speaker 1>coach is long for this place. You're refer you've got

0:58:27.560 --> 0:58:29.440
<v Speaker 1>to be referring to Jeff Collins at Georgia Tech, right,

0:58:29.520 --> 0:58:34.000
<v Speaker 1>I am, thank you.

0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:37.000
<v Speaker 2>They finished their season last year losing one hundred to

0:58:37.160 --> 0:58:43.040
<v Speaker 2>nothing at Notre Dame and against Georgia. Having Georgia as

0:58:43.080 --> 0:58:47.160
<v Speaker 2>an annual rivalry non conference is perhaps. I mean, there's

0:58:47.160 --> 0:58:49.880
<v Speaker 2>a case for South Carolina. There's a case for I

0:58:49.880 --> 0:58:52.160
<v Speaker 2>don't know, Florida or Florida State. One of the more

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:57.000
<v Speaker 2>disadvantage situations giving your own program and its own limitations.

0:58:57.160 --> 0:59:00.720
<v Speaker 2>It's probably the worst. Can I read the schedule off?

0:59:00.880 --> 0:59:03.920
<v Speaker 1>Can I read this? I would both love to and

0:59:04.040 --> 0:59:07.640
<v Speaker 1>hate to hear it? Open up the year, Labor Day weekend,

0:59:07.960 --> 0:59:11.880
<v Speaker 1>the Monday night game in Mercedes Benz Stadium quote unquote

0:59:12.480 --> 0:59:18.280
<v Speaker 1>facto home quote unquote probably quote unquote neutral site. But Clemson,

0:59:18.880 --> 0:59:22.960
<v Speaker 1>Clemson comes to town, to Atlanta, They've got Old Miss

0:59:23.040 --> 0:59:28.440
<v Speaker 1>at home. They go to UCF to pit They are

0:59:29.000 --> 0:59:32.160
<v Speaker 1>on the road again later in the year at Florida

0:59:32.200 --> 0:59:36.600
<v Speaker 1>State and at Virginia Tech on back to back weeks,

0:59:36.840 --> 0:59:40.200
<v Speaker 1>followed up by a home game against Miami. Resurge at Miami.

0:59:40.280 --> 0:59:44.160
<v Speaker 1>Maybe we'll see North Carolina on the road, who knows

0:59:44.160 --> 0:59:45.680
<v Speaker 1>what that's going to be. And then they close out

0:59:45.680 --> 0:59:49.880
<v Speaker 1>the year on the road at Georgia. Brutal, brutal. Looking

0:59:50.000 --> 0:59:54.200
<v Speaker 1>at that count right there, Clemson probably a loss, Ole Miss,

0:59:54.200 --> 0:59:59.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming probably a loss. Florida State. I'll take some

0:59:59.200 --> 1:00:03.240
<v Speaker 1>liberties and say that probably a loss. Virginia Tech probably

1:00:03.280 --> 1:00:03.720
<v Speaker 1>a loss.

1:00:03.840 --> 1:00:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't know, I mean Virginia Tech's first year coach.

1:00:05.680 --> 1:00:09.040
<v Speaker 1>We'll say what the Georgia definitely a loss. So right

1:00:09.080 --> 1:00:11.800
<v Speaker 1>out of the shoot you're looking at I think at

1:00:11.880 --> 1:00:13.280
<v Speaker 1>least four or five losses.

1:00:15.360 --> 1:00:17.160
<v Speaker 2>Georgia Tech probably needs to go to a bowl game

1:00:17.200 --> 1:00:20.680
<v Speaker 2>this year for Jeff Collins to keep his job, which

1:00:20.720 --> 1:00:23.400
<v Speaker 2>means they will need to beat first year coach at

1:00:23.440 --> 1:00:27.320
<v Speaker 2>Virginia first year coach at Virginia Tech. They get Miami

1:00:27.360 --> 1:00:29.080
<v Speaker 2>at home with the first year coach, they probably need

1:00:29.120 --> 1:00:31.520
<v Speaker 2>to win that game. They got North Carolina with changes

1:00:31.520 --> 1:00:34.640
<v Speaker 2>on defense, with change at quarterback. They probably that like

1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:37.600
<v Speaker 2>in Western Carolina, and then I got you gotta win

1:00:37.640 --> 1:00:40.160
<v Speaker 2>at the Bounce House at UCF. You gotta win at Pitt.

1:00:40.200 --> 1:00:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Now it's you know, new offense, ish at Pitt, new quarterback,

1:00:43.520 --> 1:00:47.840
<v Speaker 2>new coordinator. But they're gonna have to shock and surprise.

1:00:47.920 --> 1:00:52.040
<v Speaker 2>They lose their best offensive player to Alabama and Jamior Gibbs. Yeah,

1:00:52.080 --> 1:00:56.240
<v Speaker 2>that's just demolished in the portal. Georgia Tech kills them.

1:00:56.520 --> 1:00:58.919
<v Speaker 2>They hired Chip Long to take over the offense, which

1:00:59.200 --> 1:01:03.600
<v Speaker 2>say what you will, he is at least somebody who

1:01:03.600 --> 1:01:06.280
<v Speaker 2>will stay like he's stabilized Notre Dames offense when they

1:01:06.320 --> 1:01:08.640
<v Speaker 2>needed it. Sure, they got a lot better in the

1:01:08.680 --> 1:01:13.200
<v Speaker 2>red zone. So whatever Georgia Tech season looks like, it

1:01:13.240 --> 1:01:17.640
<v Speaker 2>won't be because of an offense without a vision per se,

1:01:17.760 --> 1:01:20.080
<v Speaker 2>they might not have the talent they you know, quarterback

1:01:20.200 --> 1:01:22.680
<v Speaker 2>Will It's still a work in progress with Jeff Simms.

1:01:22.880 --> 1:01:27.320
<v Speaker 2>I just it's hard to see it ending all ending

1:01:27.360 --> 1:01:31.320
<v Speaker 2>in a bowl game for the Rambling wreck at this point.

1:01:31.960 --> 1:01:34.640
<v Speaker 1>I really want Georgia Tech to be better. I really

1:01:34.880 --> 1:01:39.520
<v Speaker 1>really want Georgia Tech to be better. Do you I do? Okay,

1:01:39.840 --> 1:01:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I do. I think football is more interesting, especially in

1:01:44.040 --> 1:01:47.520
<v Speaker 1>the ACC, if you've got a competent Georgia Tech. And

1:01:47.600 --> 1:01:50.480
<v Speaker 1>I think the one thing that has been consistent throughout

1:01:50.520 --> 1:01:52.360
<v Speaker 1>the time that Jeff Collins has been there, we know

1:01:52.440 --> 1:01:54.400
<v Speaker 1>he's all in on Atlanta. He's trying to sell that

1:01:54.480 --> 1:02:00.880
<v Speaker 1>hard team seemingly plays pretty hard for him. It's just hard.

1:02:00.920 --> 1:02:04.000
<v Speaker 1>At the schedule, man, It's so hard. It is so

1:02:04.080 --> 1:02:06.280
<v Speaker 1>hard to get ahead with the schedule like this. This

1:02:06.440 --> 1:02:08.600
<v Speaker 1>is a team that if you look at what happened

1:02:09.120 --> 1:02:12.880
<v Speaker 1>from twenty twenty where they played ten games, they went

1:02:12.920 --> 1:02:17.720
<v Speaker 1>three and seven twenty twenty twenty twenty one, three and nine,

1:02:17.800 --> 1:02:24.200
<v Speaker 1>obviously ninety sixth in sp plus, so slip by about

1:02:24.200 --> 1:02:29.920
<v Speaker 1>twenty spots offense, marginally worse defense, a lot worse defense,

1:02:29.960 --> 1:02:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Slipped by a pretty drastic number, so you factor in

1:02:33.440 --> 1:02:37.800
<v Speaker 1>the brutal schedule. I don't know, man, I'm not too

1:02:37.840 --> 1:02:41.080
<v Speaker 1>optimistic that it's getting much much better, even that a

1:02:41.080 --> 1:02:45.600
<v Speaker 1>bowl game is on the table. There's so many land

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<v Speaker 1>mines here in the schedule that unless they have kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like a South Carolina esque season where they find

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<v Speaker 1>ways to scrape and claw and get six wins, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Like, I just don't see it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just curious because I've thought this whole time you've

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<v Speaker 2>been talking. I'm just racking my brain. You did nothing

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<v Speaker 2>but disrespect Paul Johnson and the Georgia Tech success that

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<v Speaker 2>he had there because you disrespected the Triple basically.

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<v Speaker 1>The entire time.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't take it seriously. And that's why you were

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<v Speaker 2>sent a what I send you an Orange Bowl champion?

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<v Speaker 2>Had Georgia Tech Orange Bowl champion in Mississippi state.

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<v Speaker 1>It's somewhere around here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So you do nothing but disrespect Georgia Tech during

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<v Speaker 2>that time?

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<v Speaker 1>Correct? Correct?

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<v Speaker 2>And when Georgia Tech was succeeding before then, it was

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<v Speaker 2>like the Reggie Ball unwatchable. Like when when is it

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<v Speaker 2>that Georgia Tech has made college football better? Like of

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<v Speaker 2>all the teams like you can make that point about

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<v Speaker 2>Texas or Nebraska or Miami because there's something like there's

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<v Speaker 2>there's branding their style. I just don't understand. Like, to me,

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<v Speaker 2>college football has always been better when Georgia Tech has

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<v Speaker 2>been bad, like because it's come at the expense of

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<v Speaker 2>other more fun programs with better environments. And now I

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<v Speaker 2>understand that, Like it would be a cool story if

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<v Speaker 2>like a local Atlanta team, which, by the way, recently

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<v Speaker 2>discovered that that Atlanta's pronounced basically with two ends at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Word, like Toronto, Atlanta Atlanta. Yeah. Uh, I just I.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't know, there's there's never really been that much flash

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<v Speaker 2>to Georgia Tech football that has really like held up

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<v Speaker 2>a side of the sport.

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<v Speaker 1>To me, well, I mean it's a historic program and

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<v Speaker 1>it's in a great football city in Atlanta, I hear you.

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<v Speaker 1>So for my money, even though we don't got a

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<v Speaker 1>whole lot to go on recently, it would be cool

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<v Speaker 1>to have a program in Atlanta Atlanta other than Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>which is over in Athens, be be prominent in the ACC.

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<v Speaker 1>The AEC is gettable, like it's there, man, it's gettable.

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<v Speaker 1>It's always in a bit of a tizzy, especially now

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<v Speaker 1>with who knows what's going on with Clemson, Like there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of intrigue I think as to the

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<v Speaker 1>direction of that ofference. So I don't think it's happening

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<v Speaker 1>for Georgia Tech. But I think with that being said,

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<v Speaker 1>historic program. You know, Bobby Dodd Stadium is the oldest

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<v Speaker 1>stadium in college football. I did not know that. You know, underneath,

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<v Speaker 1>underneath the West stands are the old West stands. It's

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<v Speaker 1>like a hidden cavern. Is that true. There's a little

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent trough. You can go down there and

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<v Speaker 1>still see parts of the old stadium. There's so much

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<v Speaker 1>history at Georgia Tech, not just with the stadium but

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<v Speaker 1>with the program that I would really love to see

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<v Speaker 1>them rise to prominence. I just don't see it happening.

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<v Speaker 1>It's unfortunately not going to happen for Jeff Collins, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>not in twenty twenty two. Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good with it happening, but that doesn't really register

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<v Speaker 2>with me. I remember driving through Atlanta once and somebody's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>there's Bobby Dodd, and.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, really, no.

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<v Speaker 2>Usually when you drive through somewhere and you're like Oh

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<v Speaker 2>there's the stadium. Wow are you driving on I thirty

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<v Speaker 2>five or whatever?

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<v Speaker 1>And you're also you're like, yep, there's DKR. Pretty cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Kind of different.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, h next school, who do we even have left? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>this team was pretty awful and finished with the.

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<v Speaker 1>Number one recruiting class in its conference. Southern Miss Stanford.

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<v Speaker 1>Stanford finished with the top recruiting class in the Panford Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so really? Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>So you have USC with the coaching change, you have

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<v Speaker 2>Oregon with the coaching change, you have Washington with a

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<v Speaker 2>coaching change. And so even though those schools salvaged classes

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<v Speaker 2>to whatever extent, they were not large classes, Stanford did

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<v Speaker 2>pretty well, especially along the lines they recruit nationally. I

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<v Speaker 2>think they finished something like eighteenth in the country, which

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<v Speaker 2>was good for number one in a very very much

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<v Speaker 2>changing PAC twelve at the top. So Stanford, Yeah, they.

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<v Speaker 1>Go three to nine and finish with the number one

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<v Speaker 1>recruiting class in the PAC twelve. All right, let me

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<v Speaker 1>ask you a question, realistic question. Would Stanford ever move

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<v Speaker 1>on from David Shaw? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I think it would take probably another couple

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<v Speaker 2>of down years, but he's making something. Remember when the

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<v Speaker 2>USA Today released there or there was some story that

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<v Speaker 2>came out that finally released what he is making because

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<v Speaker 2>it's harder to get the figures from coaches at private schools.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been like nine million dollars a year, like high

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<v Speaker 2>eight's low nine, something in that range. And I just

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<v Speaker 2>don't think you can justify paying those that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>number to somebody going three and nine, four and eight,

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<v Speaker 2>two and ten over you know, a three four year span,

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<v Speaker 2>So I could see it. It's it's probably gonna take

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<v Speaker 2>more because I think he is so beloved there than Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's something that's my brow or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my point. The offense fell off a cliff last year. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the offense fell off a cliff. This was a bad offense.

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<v Speaker 1>They went from thirty first in twenty twenty again abbreviated

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<v Speaker 1>schedule four and two in twenty twenty, all the way

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<v Speaker 1>down to one hundred and fourth nationally, which is a

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<v Speaker 1>huge drop off. If Northwestern was the answer on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side of things, you could definitely make a case

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<v Speaker 1>for Stanford on the offensive side of things, just really bad.

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<v Speaker 1>The defense also really bad. It was really bad last year.

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<v Speaker 1>It got worse in twenty twenty one. YEP, variety of

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<v Speaker 1>factors for that. I'm sure we could talk about it

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<v Speaker 1>if we really wanted to. We don't. What matters is

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<v Speaker 1>the second order wins total two point seven per The

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<v Speaker 1>sp plus had Stanford pretty much right on the number

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<v Speaker 1>at three and nine, So I think you layer all

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<v Speaker 1>that in the recruiting is something we can discuss. But

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<v Speaker 1>bigger picture, as we move ahead now into twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not an easy schedule for Stanford. It is

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<v Speaker 1>not an easy schedule for Stanford. Brutal road schedule at Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>at Oregon, at Notre Dame. That's all within the first

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<v Speaker 1>six weeks of the season. Then there's a road tilt

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<v Speaker 1>later against Utah. Obviously they play usc pretty early on

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<v Speaker 1>as well, So it's just it. It's stacking up against

1:09:04.000 --> 1:09:07.479
<v Speaker 1>Stanford making some sort of reclabation project in twenty twenty one.

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<v Speaker 1>They could come on strong late, but they're going to

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<v Speaker 1>have some work to do early. I think if they

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<v Speaker 1>want to prove to anybody that they can get this

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<v Speaker 1>thing turned around in a good direction.

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<v Speaker 2>So they lose both of their running backs who carried

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<v Speaker 2>the ball the most, who toted the rock the most,

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<v Speaker 2>and Nathaniel Pete and Austin Jones. Pete transfers to Massoo

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<v Speaker 2>and Austin Jones to USC And the big thing for

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<v Speaker 2>Stanford is for Stanford. For Stanford is year over year,

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<v Speaker 2>it always seem like whatever they were for better or worse,

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<v Speaker 2>they would get good line play up front on both

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<v Speaker 2>sides of the ball. They would have a good defense,

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<v Speaker 2>they would have a good offensive line. They would get

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<v Speaker 2>guys into the NFL, especially upfront on defense, upfront. On offense,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, they would develop an interesting running back, be

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<v Speaker 2>it Bryce Love hitting home runs, be it Christian McCaffrey

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<v Speaker 2>as one of the all time all purpose greats. And

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<v Speaker 2>they would find these guys and develop these guys. And

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<v Speaker 2>they haven't developed a receiver in quite some time. Tight end.

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<v Speaker 2>They've had guys, you know, most recently Colby Parkinson was

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<v Speaker 2>was that guy. But they've stopped finding, they've stopped developing,

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<v Speaker 2>and they've stopped really being able to weaponize specific players

1:10:17.160 --> 1:10:19.960
<v Speaker 2>on offense. And they would find quarterbacks. But even like

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<v Speaker 2>since Kevin Hogan, like it's been a while, and like

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<v Speaker 2>they're pulling in four and five star kids like Tanner

1:10:26.720 --> 1:10:28.960
<v Speaker 2>McKee I think was a five star quarterback and he

1:10:29.080 --> 1:10:32.040
<v Speaker 2>showed flashes, but this was a predictable offense. It was

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<v Speaker 2>one of arguably one of the worst defensive lines in

1:10:34.840 --> 1:10:37.400
<v Speaker 2>defensive fronts in football. Were they the worst run defense

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<v Speaker 2>in football?

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<v Speaker 1>They were. They were in that grouping, they were rushed around.

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<v Speaker 1>I can, I can pull it up, but they were.

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<v Speaker 2>But so I'm assuming they were the worst power five

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<v Speaker 2>run defense in America and they It's what Lance Anderson

1:10:55.600 --> 1:10:58.320
<v Speaker 2>on defense and Tavita Pritchard on offense as coordinators. They

1:10:58.360 --> 1:11:00.640
<v Speaker 2>retained both of those guys, So they sew another one

1:11:00.680 --> 1:11:02.719
<v Speaker 2>of those guys who doesn't make a lot of wholesale

1:11:02.800 --> 1:11:05.680
<v Speaker 2>changes along his coaching staff and doesn't really have the

1:11:05.720 --> 1:11:08.840
<v Speaker 2>ability to do so via the portal on the on

1:11:08.920 --> 1:11:13.360
<v Speaker 2>the roster. So's it's that same idea of turning around

1:11:13.400 --> 1:11:16.599
<v Speaker 2>that aircraft carrier that you know, Stanford's in a better

1:11:16.640 --> 1:11:18.639
<v Speaker 2>place because they can recruit on a much higher level

1:11:18.840 --> 1:11:23.720
<v Speaker 2>than Northwestern, Vanderbilt duke programs like that. But man, I

1:11:23.800 --> 1:11:26.719
<v Speaker 2>don't know. There's a stubborn streak to David Shaw, both

1:11:26.800 --> 1:11:29.280
<v Speaker 2>in the architecture of the offense and play calling and

1:11:29.320 --> 1:11:32.120
<v Speaker 2>decision making in those higher leverage moments that doesn't seem

1:11:32.160 --> 1:11:32.679
<v Speaker 2>to improve.

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<v Speaker 1>He was.

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<v Speaker 2>He won a bunch of close games in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 2>so it doesn't you know, that didn't seem like there

1:11:38.120 --> 1:11:40.559
<v Speaker 2>was going to be pressure on his seat after twenty twenty,

1:11:40.600 --> 1:11:42.560
<v Speaker 2>and they did have their starting quarterback against Oregon and

1:11:42.600 --> 1:11:44.599
<v Speaker 2>that opener because of it, I think it was a

1:11:44.640 --> 1:11:48.879
<v Speaker 2>false positive that it was Davis Mills I think received

1:11:49.400 --> 1:11:53.200
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know. It's really difficult to see when

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<v Speaker 2>you look at this roster and you look at what

1:11:55.080 --> 1:11:56.880
<v Speaker 2>they were or were not able to do on the field,

1:11:57.439 --> 1:11:58.920
<v Speaker 2>to see them as an eight and four, nine to

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<v Speaker 2>three program again any time time soon.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the thing to watch on the Stanford front, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's it warn't mentioning. Stanford is third in returning production

1:12:10.040 --> 1:12:13.559
<v Speaker 1>for twenty twenty two, so bring it back nearly everybody

1:12:13.560 --> 1:12:17.800
<v Speaker 1>on offense and most of the defense. Some of the

1:12:17.840 --> 1:12:19.760
<v Speaker 1>other teams that we're talking about here are also on

1:12:19.800 --> 1:12:21.640
<v Speaker 1>that list. We haven't talked about Southern miss yet, but

1:12:21.680 --> 1:12:24.639
<v Speaker 1>they're in the top ten. Georgia Southern also brings back

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. So there are reasons for optimism, I think

1:12:28.600 --> 1:12:31.720
<v Speaker 1>with some of these schools. But you know, Stanford, being

1:12:31.760 --> 1:12:33.840
<v Speaker 1>as high up as they are, really the only Power

1:12:33.880 --> 1:12:37.599
<v Speaker 1>five team that's that high, can they do anything with it?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I don't know. It's been a minute

1:12:40.080 --> 1:12:43.400
<v Speaker 1>since Stanford was like a real, tried and true contender

1:12:43.439 --> 1:12:46.920
<v Speaker 1>in the Pac twelfth. So we'll see. Yeah, and there's

1:12:47.160 --> 1:12:50.320
<v Speaker 1>kind of a window right now, there is in the North.

1:12:50.360 --> 1:12:52.840
<v Speaker 1>You have new coach at Washington, new coach at Washington State,

1:12:52.880 --> 1:12:55.559
<v Speaker 1>new coach at Oregon. Oregon State should be decent enough.

1:12:56.479 --> 1:12:58.240
<v Speaker 1>Cal has had its own struggles. And then, by the way,

1:12:58.240 --> 1:13:00.439
<v Speaker 1>the big games on the road this year coach at

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<v Speaker 1>USC UCLA sort of. I mean that game was gettable

1:13:03.880 --> 1:13:06.240
<v Speaker 1>for Stanford last year. It seemed like at times they

1:13:06.240 --> 1:13:09.479
<v Speaker 1>had a lead. And you know, the Arizona schools are

1:13:09.560 --> 1:13:11.760
<v Speaker 1>very much in flux in Arizona heading the right direction

1:13:11.760 --> 1:13:15.080
<v Speaker 1>in Arizona State. Not Utah's really strong, but Colorado seems

1:13:15.120 --> 1:13:18.320
<v Speaker 1>to be a disaster. So the window for Stanford is

1:13:18.360 --> 1:13:21.960
<v Speaker 1>they're relatively open. Yeah, it's just a matter of handling

1:13:21.960 --> 1:13:24.880
<v Speaker 1>their own business and finding those difference makers on both

1:13:24.880 --> 1:13:26.200
<v Speaker 1>sides of the ball, both sides of the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's Stanford. This This next team was the only

1:13:28.960 --> 1:13:31.960
<v Speaker 2>team on our list to win its final two games.

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<v Speaker 1>Southern Miss. Southern Miss is correct, Thank you, Dean.

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<v Speaker 2>Southern Miss a lot more active in the portal than

1:13:39.760 --> 1:13:42.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of these teams, and they have the luxury

1:13:42.320 --> 1:13:45.240
<v Speaker 2>of having two major programs in their own state and

1:13:45.320 --> 1:13:47.439
<v Speaker 2>Ole Miss and Mississippi State, which they very much took

1:13:47.439 --> 1:13:49.879
<v Speaker 2>advantage of and added a number of Mississippi State players.

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<v Speaker 1>Last year.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an interesting team. So it was year one

1:13:54.680 --> 1:13:57.400
<v Speaker 2>of Will Hall coming in from from Tulane. He was

1:13:57.400 --> 1:13:59.960
<v Speaker 2>the offensive coordinator and pretty well regarded. I remember Oregon

1:14:00.320 --> 1:14:03.200
<v Speaker 2>interviewing him a couple times for their open open job,

1:14:03.280 --> 1:14:05.599
<v Speaker 2>in which I think they that was Joe Morehead who

1:14:05.680 --> 1:14:10.960
<v Speaker 2>took it at that stage. But the defense was quietly

1:14:11.080 --> 1:14:15.679
<v Speaker 2>decent at times. They allowed too many big plays. Their

1:14:15.720 --> 1:14:18.720
<v Speaker 2>big focus, and it makes sense given the number of

1:14:18.800 --> 1:14:21.640
<v Speaker 2>junior colleges in the state and in the area, was

1:14:21.680 --> 1:14:24.479
<v Speaker 2>on adding JC players and adding players via the portal.

1:14:24.560 --> 1:14:27.800
<v Speaker 2>So they're looking to immediately turn things around. They as

1:14:27.800 --> 1:14:30.200
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned, they went they won their final two, but

1:14:31.000 --> 1:14:34.640
<v Speaker 2>last year did feature pretty bad losses. It's hard to

1:14:34.640 --> 1:14:36.920
<v Speaker 2>go three to nine and not have a few bad losses,

1:14:37.000 --> 1:14:39.160
<v Speaker 2>just in terms of who you lose to. Troy Rice,

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<v Speaker 2>South Alabama. You know, UTEP was improved but still not

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<v Speaker 2>great to lose to the miners Middle Tennessee North Texas.

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<v Speaker 2>And they do have this year in which should be

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<v Speaker 2>a new look team. They they traveled to Miami and

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<v Speaker 2>they host Liberty, So tricky early, early sledding for the Eagles.

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<v Speaker 2>But Southern Miss a program that I'm confident can get

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<v Speaker 2>better quicker than some of these other schools within the

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<v Speaker 2>context of you know, who they play and where they play.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and also, as I just said, top ten in

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<v Speaker 1>college football in terms of returning production. Yes, so you

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<v Speaker 1>can do something with that for sure. And it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a fairly workable schedule. I mean, you mentioned they've got

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<v Speaker 1>game against Miami on the road, and there's some others

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<v Speaker 1>here that are certainly problematic. But yeah, it's gettable, it's gettable.

1:15:27.200 --> 1:15:29.880
<v Speaker 1>They can definitely approve a bit of a rotation at

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<v Speaker 1>quarterback last year.

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<v Speaker 2>So and I don't think any of these three guys,

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<v Speaker 2>Lang Keys or Trey Low for more touchdowns and interceptions.

1:15:38.200 --> 1:15:40.439
<v Speaker 2>So a lot of work to be done through the air.

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<v Speaker 1>But I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, I have some optimism with Southern Miss and I

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<v Speaker 2>know it's kind of you know, behind the scenes, can

1:15:48.400 --> 1:15:51.879
<v Speaker 2>be a bit of a screwy place, but it seems

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<v Speaker 2>like the activity and attention is there.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, so they're miss final team here is Duke.

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<v Speaker 1>You could tell me in a second on what you

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to say about Duke. But what jumped out at

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<v Speaker 1>me when I was looking over the blue devils in

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<v Speaker 1>Duke's case, they lost their last eight yep, North Carolina,

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<v Speaker 1>Georgia Tech, Virginia Wake Forest, Pitt Virginia Tech, Willisville, Miami.

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<v Speaker 1>Not the easiest road if you're Duke, No by any stretch, right,

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<v Speaker 1>But we had talk going into the year like is

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<v Speaker 1>this tire running out of air for David Cutcliff and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe it's time to move on. Ultimately they did. They

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<v Speaker 1>go in the direction of Mike Elco. This is a

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<v Speaker 1>team that pretty much quit, pretty much quit. Yeah, second

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<v Speaker 1>half of the year. If you look at postgame win expectancy,

1:16:38.800 --> 1:16:42.679
<v Speaker 1>they were nowhere close. The only game, the only game

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<v Speaker 1>in all of those eight where their post game win

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<v Speaker 1>expectancy was above a zero percent, which I cannot tell

1:16:49.880 --> 1:16:54.519
<v Speaker 1>you is almost impossible, was Georgia Tech. They lost that

1:16:54.560 --> 1:16:57.120
<v Speaker 1>game by four. All the other games that were pretty

1:16:57.160 --> 1:17:01.880
<v Speaker 1>much destroyed, they had no chance. So the time was right.

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<v Speaker 1>They move on they go. Mike. Mike Elko is a

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<v Speaker 1>good hire for.

1:17:05.200 --> 1:17:08.479
<v Speaker 2>Duke definitely, and given his time in the state at

1:17:08.479 --> 1:17:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Wake Forest and ties to you know, finding you know,

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<v Speaker 2>high level three star kids who can get into Duke

1:17:14.080 --> 1:17:17.439
<v Speaker 2>and succeed and develop and take time. I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a strong hire.

1:17:18.360 --> 1:17:20.240
<v Speaker 1>Folks on some of the A and M message boards

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<v Speaker 1>were betrayed by this. How could he lead leading Duke?

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<v Speaker 1>Why would he leaved coaching job? Yeah, he could have

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<v Speaker 1>shot higher than Duke. He could have gotten a better

1:17:29.720 --> 1:17:32.479
<v Speaker 1>gig if he wanted to than Duke, But like you said,

1:17:32.479 --> 1:17:35.120
<v Speaker 1>there's a bit of a connection there. He decides ultimately

1:17:35.160 --> 1:17:38.200
<v Speaker 1>he wants to take that gig. Clearly Duke's program that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to give him time. Mike Elko has been a

1:17:39.920 --> 1:17:43.519
<v Speaker 1>successful assistant for many, many years now, so you know,

1:17:43.600 --> 1:17:45.759
<v Speaker 1>the extent to which he can turn that ship around,

1:17:45.760 --> 1:17:48.280
<v Speaker 1>turn that aircraft carrier around, remains to be seen. But

1:17:49.080 --> 1:17:52.519
<v Speaker 1>the time I think was right for a fresh start

1:17:53.360 --> 1:17:56.160
<v Speaker 1>at Duke. And uh, you know, on both fronts, not

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<v Speaker 1>just football, but at time of recording, we just saw

1:17:59.400 --> 1:18:02.360
<v Speaker 1>coach ks scheme. That's true on the basketball side as well,

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<v Speaker 1>So a whole new era for the two money sports

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<v Speaker 1>on the men's side of things.

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<v Speaker 2>For Duke, Yeah, and the expectation isn't there. The expectation

1:18:11.240 --> 1:18:14.120
<v Speaker 2>for Stanford, given recent results, I think is far more

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<v Speaker 2>pronounced than it is at Duke, given what David Shaw

1:18:16.520 --> 1:18:18.640
<v Speaker 2>specifically has been able to accomplish in Palo Alto and

1:18:18.680 --> 1:18:22.640
<v Speaker 2>Jim Harbaugh before him. Yeah, it's you know, get to

1:18:22.640 --> 1:18:25.599
<v Speaker 2>a bowl game sometimes that's good. That's good at Duke.

1:18:27.240 --> 1:18:29.519
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I get the move from Mike Elco. You

1:18:29.560 --> 1:18:31.640
<v Speaker 2>get a head job in the acc you take it.

1:18:31.680 --> 1:18:33.360
<v Speaker 1>You take it. If you've been trying for a job

1:18:33.439 --> 1:18:35.200
<v Speaker 1>like this, you were going to cook out, by the way,

1:18:35.320 --> 1:18:38.240
<v Speaker 1>ty bit at a cookout or at.

1:18:37.960 --> 1:18:44.280
<v Speaker 2>No No, the fast food chain in the Southeast, specifically

1:18:44.320 --> 1:18:44.960
<v Speaker 2>the Carolinas.

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<v Speaker 1>I think no cookout. No. It is.

1:18:49.600 --> 1:18:54.800
<v Speaker 2>Whatever it lacks in high level quality, it makes up

1:18:54.840 --> 1:18:59.160
<v Speaker 2>for and then some in value. Really, you can feast

1:18:59.600 --> 1:19:03.160
<v Speaker 2>for three dollars eighty four cents. You can get I don't,

1:19:03.200 --> 1:19:04.640
<v Speaker 2>are you a milkshake guy? I know we had the

1:19:04.640 --> 1:19:06.320
<v Speaker 2>whole thing with Adam Amin way back when.

1:19:08.120 --> 1:19:12.080
<v Speaker 1>On occasion it's not my go to, but I'm not.

1:19:12.240 --> 1:19:13.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm not anti milkshake.

1:19:14.720 --> 1:19:17.640
<v Speaker 2>You can get there's like thirty flavors available at cookout.

1:19:17.800 --> 1:19:21.280
<v Speaker 2>There's it's a huge menu. Everything is cheap if you

1:19:21.320 --> 1:19:23.160
<v Speaker 2>are hungry and you don't have a bunch of cash.

1:19:23.320 --> 1:19:25.519
<v Speaker 2>Not a sponsor could be. I just say this because

1:19:25.520 --> 1:19:27.280
<v Speaker 2>I've only been to Durham once and I ate a

1:19:27.320 --> 1:19:31.400
<v Speaker 2>cookout and I was thrilled with the experience. So, uh,

1:19:31.439 --> 1:19:33.679
<v Speaker 2>maybe that's why michaelko went back.

1:19:33.760 --> 1:19:37.400
<v Speaker 1>Could be for cookout. Yeah, it could be for cookout. Yeah,

1:19:37.560 --> 1:19:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Duke is I don't know.

1:19:39.040 --> 1:19:41.760
<v Speaker 2>They're in a nice position just because the expectations are

1:19:41.760 --> 1:19:44.880
<v Speaker 2>so low. And David Cutcliffe did hire pretty well. You

1:19:44.920 --> 1:19:47.360
<v Speaker 2>remember it was it was Cutcliff who brought Jim Knowles

1:19:47.360 --> 1:19:49.840
<v Speaker 2>I think, onto the biggest stage at that time for

1:19:49.920 --> 1:19:52.240
<v Speaker 2>him and got hired away by Oklahoma State at the time.

1:19:52.640 --> 1:19:55.880
<v Speaker 2>But I did see I think David Cutcliffe might be

1:19:55.920 --> 1:19:59.720
<v Speaker 2>heading to Texas and like a like a an advisor

1:19:59.760 --> 1:20:02.880
<v Speaker 2>type le same way that Gary Patterson's being hired there.

1:20:03.520 --> 1:20:08.120
<v Speaker 2>And maybe can't hurt that Cutcliffe's relationship with the Manning

1:20:08.200 --> 1:20:11.880
<v Speaker 2>family could come handy with the number one quarterback recruiting

1:20:12.200 --> 1:20:17.200
<v Speaker 2>in the country currently, somebody with that last name. But uh, yeah,

1:20:17.280 --> 1:20:18.800
<v Speaker 2>Cutcliff did a lot of good things for them as

1:20:18.840 --> 1:20:21.000
<v Speaker 2>well regarded, but it just it wasn't going to be

1:20:21.040 --> 1:20:23.040
<v Speaker 2>any sort of short, medium, or long term answer for

1:20:23.040 --> 1:20:23.639
<v Speaker 2>the Blue Devils.

1:20:23.720 --> 1:20:27.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and to your point about expectations, Duke's sort of

1:20:27.120 --> 1:20:30.080
<v Speaker 1>starting over at a bunch of positions that they're near

1:20:30.120 --> 1:20:33.160
<v Speaker 1>the bottom in terms of that returning production number. So

1:20:33.560 --> 1:20:36.600
<v Speaker 1>it really is going to be a near full rebuild

1:20:36.840 --> 1:20:39.320
<v Speaker 1>for Mike Elko starting in year one. He can build

1:20:39.560 --> 1:20:40.240
<v Speaker 1>in his image.

1:20:40.680 --> 1:20:44.559
<v Speaker 2>Do you know who is awesome? Matteo Durant and nobody

1:20:45.120 --> 1:20:47.680
<v Speaker 2>we us included. We didn't talk about it because it

1:20:47.720 --> 1:20:49.960
<v Speaker 2>was just he wasn't playing in meaningful games at all.

1:20:50.560 --> 1:20:52.640
<v Speaker 2>And I have no idea if this is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be the case. I know nothing about the draft. I

1:20:54.760 --> 1:20:58.679
<v Speaker 2>know nothing about the NFL. I just know that guys

1:20:58.720 --> 1:21:02.280
<v Speaker 2>like Matteo Durant, who are able to succeed on terrible

1:21:02.320 --> 1:21:06.160
<v Speaker 2>teams can be guys who are you know, free agents

1:21:06.280 --> 1:21:08.960
<v Speaker 2>or you know, drafted in the sixth seventh round, And

1:21:09.160 --> 1:21:12.160
<v Speaker 2>especially at the running back position where value doesn't mean much.

1:21:12.160 --> 1:21:13.360
<v Speaker 1>You're like, this guy just.

1:21:13.400 --> 1:21:16.960
<v Speaker 2>Ran for fourteen hundred yards for the Steelers for the Viking.

1:21:17.040 --> 1:21:21.200
<v Speaker 2>What oh cool? That's the kind of guy I think

1:21:21.240 --> 1:21:24.559
<v Speaker 2>Matteo Durant can be from what I've seen of him.

1:21:24.960 --> 1:21:27.719
<v Speaker 1>Rush for twelve hundred yards nine touchdowns. Not a bad year. Yeah,

1:21:28.360 --> 1:21:30.960
<v Speaker 1>not a bad year. Okay, Uh, that does it, Dan?

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<v Speaker 1>So that's it. We went through all twelve teams. I

1:21:34.400 --> 1:21:36.799
<v Speaker 1>don't know how many I got right, maybe five? Yeah,

1:21:36.840 --> 1:21:40.000
<v Speaker 1>that went three to nine in twenty twenty one. Hopefully

1:21:40.040 --> 1:21:42.080
<v Speaker 1>all of them get better. We have no reason to

1:21:42.160 --> 1:21:45.280
<v Speaker 1>root against them. But as we said going through, some

1:21:45.400 --> 1:21:49.080
<v Speaker 1>have greater obstacles than others. We're going to continue doing

1:21:49.080 --> 1:21:52.880
<v Speaker 1>this so the next time around. Now you're the kings

1:21:52.920 --> 1:21:56.240
<v Speaker 1>of losers. We are the kings of losers. Yeah, for

1:21:56.560 --> 1:21:59.640
<v Speaker 1>eight next month we can talk through. There will be

1:21:59.680 --> 1:22:01.800
<v Speaker 1>more tea tea for us. What do we have? Who

1:22:01.800 --> 1:22:03.400
<v Speaker 1>are the highlights? I don't have it in front of me,

1:22:04.120 --> 1:22:06.360
<v Speaker 1>but I did look briefly, and there are more four

1:22:06.400 --> 1:22:10.559
<v Speaker 1>and eight teams. I did check Lehigh and Lafayette Yeah,

1:22:10.600 --> 1:22:12.080
<v Speaker 1>three and eight. Yeah, So I don't know if you

1:22:12.120 --> 1:22:15.439
<v Speaker 1>have any weigh ins about any of those teams. Here

1:22:15.439 --> 1:22:18.080
<v Speaker 1>are the four and eight teams tie four and eight

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<v Speaker 1>FBS teams from twenty twenty one. Are you ready? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>ready please Navy, Okay, Rice, Yeah, Bowling Green, Buffalo, USC, Colorado,

1:22:31.160 --> 1:22:35.720
<v Speaker 1>Texas State, Louisiana, Monroe. And that's it. So there are

1:22:35.800 --> 1:22:39.200
<v Speaker 1>fewer teams. I think there might be fewer Yeah, okay,

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