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Speaker 2: I had a good night's sleep. I uh stayed up

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Speaker 2: far past my bedtime. On Saturday night, I went over

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Speaker 1: Whoa you getting into a little mma?

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Speaker 2: Not especially, but I played tennis with this dude and

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Speaker 2: he's super nice and invited me over. He had buddies

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Speaker 2: over to watch the fight. Nice little cheese spread, okay,

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Speaker 2: had some chocolate, had some chips, had a.

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Speaker 1: Beer, A beer, a beer, And I woke up Sunday morning.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh, I'm not in a good place. It had

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Speaker 2: But if you have any questions about you know, thug

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Speaker 1: I'm right here. I was gonna ask, so tell me

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Speaker 1: about the conversation at said MMA party, Like what are yeah,

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Speaker 2: Not especially, but my buddy did tell me that he

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Speaker 1: That was his his guy.

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Speaker 2: No, I knew that the headline about the main event

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. I had fun.

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Speaker 2: It's one of those things where I pretended, not pretended,

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Speaker 1: Armbar uh huh uh uh huh. Three quartermount. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: You know it hasn't happened to me recently, Dan Okay,

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Speaker 2: It's about to be March ninth, or is March ninth

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Speaker 1: Let's do the first factoid. First team, Dan.

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Speaker 1: Three and nine. Their second order wins count, which I

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Speaker 1: It's a bigger budget program, and so what can a

432
00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: guy like j Norvel do? J Norvel very highly thought

433
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: of in the coaching world. So while this isn't necessarily

434
00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: a preview of what's to come in twenty twenty two,

435
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:25,400
Speaker 1: I am very excited to see what he can do

436
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 1: moving on to a place that's got, i don't know,

437
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,640
Speaker 1: more of a commitment towards the football program.

438
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:35,800
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and we're this close to beating Mountain West Champs,

439
00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:39,840
Speaker 2: Utah State. Correct, So that's you know, I would be

440
00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 2: optimistic big picture about Colorado State and Fort Collins, which

441
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: I did look it up. Some decent eating options in

442
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 2: Fort Collins. So I'd happily find myself going to a

443
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:50,080
Speaker 2: RAM game.

444
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: That's all. Next one, Next team.

445
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,720
Speaker 2: All right, Next team is a team that has, or

446
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: at least had last year its own version at wide

447
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:07,159
Speaker 2: receiver of Harris Ranch two Harris's Hairrye so not Nase,

448
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:13,159
Speaker 2: not Nase, and Damian Harris but smoke and Trey Smoke

449
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 2: and Trey.

450
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: Harris, Smoke and Trey Harris. And this program has a

451
00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 1: new coach. And the program has a new coach. Yeah,

452
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: uh boy, I probably should have done more. Is this

453
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 1: Duke is Duke with three and nine team? Yeah?

454
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: They were a three and nine team. No, it's not Duke,

455
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 2: it's it's Louisiana tack. God, We're gonna get to some

456
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,479
Speaker 2: of the bigger schools in a moment. Louisiana attack. They

457
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,320
Speaker 2: lose future Notre Dame head coach Skip Holtz. They add

458
00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:50,199
Speaker 2: Sonny Comby. Assistants have a heavy Texas flavor, which is

459
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 2: to be expected to give in Sonny Cumby's background. They

460
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 2: had a decent passing attack last year with Austin Kendall,

461
00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:00,359
Speaker 2: who's no longer there. Matthew Downing on his third school

462
00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,720
Speaker 2: now and goes back to TCU with Sonny Comby. He

463
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,600
Speaker 2: comes in. They are at Missouri at Clemson, which is

464
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 2: tricky for year one of a new head coach of

465
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,200
Speaker 2: a non conference slate. And the only other like kind

466
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,640
Speaker 2: of fun factoid I found about Louisiana Tech, which, look,

467
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 2: they have a long ways to go, but this is

468
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: not a disaster. It's a decent state of actually a

469
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 2: very good state for talent, so they can rebuild relatively quickly.

470
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 2: We've seen some really fun Louisiana Tech offenses in the

471
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:32,639
Speaker 2: last you know, decade, decade and a half whatever. The

472
00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 2: big thing is their new offensive coordinator comes over from

473
00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:38,959
Speaker 2: Navarro College in Texas, former head coach at Navarro College,

474
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 2: home to the Netflix show Cheer Hey.

475
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:43,320
Speaker 1: So there's that.

476
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 2: I don't know Louisiana Tech. So they you know, they're

477
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 2: twenty twenty one. There's there are reasons coaches leave. There

478
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 2: are reasons why, and that reason is it looks like

479
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 2: they lost seven of eight Louisiana Tech last year to

480
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,240
Speaker 2: finish off the season with their only win over a

481
00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 2: not so good Charlotte team. The thing I can say

482
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,920
Speaker 2: is this team fought pretty hard. This wasn't a bunch

483
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 2: of forty one fourteen losses. They were scoring points, they

484
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:10,000
Speaker 2: were competitive, and just it just wasn't enough. It just

485
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,840
Speaker 2: wasn't enough for Louisiana Tech.

486
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:18,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean to your point, last season, last season,

487
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: twenty twenty yeah, now twenty twenty one, I guess two

488
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: seasons ago. Now. Second Order wins two point seven, yet

489
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,280
Speaker 1: their final record was five and five, So that indicase

490
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,439
Speaker 1: to me is a team that had some fight. I

491
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 1: think you're right about that on the On the whole,

492
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: though marginally better, got a little bit better on offense,

493
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 1: a little bit worse on defense, so kind of stuck

494
00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 1: in the mud a little bit. Three point eight. Second

495
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: Order wins pretty much right on the number, So maybe

496
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: a little bit unlucky, but by and large, the numbers

497
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 1: say this is a three win team, and indeed they

498
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: were three and nine. So I love when you bring

499
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,480
Speaker 1: over the coach from a really small college. I love

500
00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: that unknown factor. You know, it worked out really well

501
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 1: for Western Kentucky was Zach Kittley last year, right, bringing

502
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: him up from UH Houston Baptist. We'll see what he

503
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 1: could do in Texas Tech. But I generally love that formula.

504
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:12,919
Speaker 1: It at least gives me a little nuggets root for

505
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: I get. Yeah.

506
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: Next next team a three and nine program? Who is

507
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: playing two twenty twenty one three and nine programs? So

508
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,479
Speaker 2: two other teams on this list in the first few weeks.

509
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 1: Wow, twenty twenty two. Really I can.

510
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 2: I can tell you the opponents if you're interested. They're

511
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: playing Northwestern in Georgia Southern in twenty twenty two.

512
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 1: The lank three and nine Northwestern and Georgia Southern. Yeah,

513
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 1: gotta be duke, right, Nebraska Brass, I'm zero for three

514
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 1: in this game. Be more thorough ty, I've been very

515
00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: I look, you saw the table that I put here.

516
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,960
Speaker 1: I've been very thorough one two thirty four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve.

517
00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: There's exactly twelve teams, right, I might go three and

518
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 1: nine in this trivia game. That's okay. Damn.

519
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 2: The thing is about Nebraska is there like the second

520
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 2: order win all Star squad of this list of teams

521
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,479
Speaker 2: they have that's been like the sagging Bill Connley has

522
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 2: been like, Look, Nebraska went three and nine, but it

523
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: was so difficult for them to go three and nine

524
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 2: with how well they mostly played. I saw another thing

525
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,439
Speaker 2: where Andy Staples wrote about how and he spoke to

526
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,480
Speaker 2: somebody who ran a bunch of models and simulated Nebraska's

527
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: season given their statistical footprint, and said, if Nebraska played

528
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: the season a thousand times, they would mostly go six

529
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: and six, And it was like, hurt. The least likely

530
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 2: outcome of a thousand simulations of Nebraska season was going

531
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:48,920
Speaker 2: three and nine. My counter is they did a lot

532
00:28:48,960 --> 00:28:53,720
Speaker 2: of things that three and nine teams do, whether it

533
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,520
Speaker 2: was the special teams, whether it was the offensive line play,

534
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: whether it was the lack of a pass rush, whether

535
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: it was giving up some big plays, whether there was

536
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 2: some really bad high leverage moment decision making. Nebraska, for

537
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: long stretches did also look like a three and nine team.

538
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: Whenever I'm about to do something, I think three and

539
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: nineteen do that, and if they would, I do not

540
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: do that thing.

541
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 2: See that's just good logic from Dwight Shrut, possibly edited.

542
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: So Nebraska had really interesting moments last year. They made

543
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 2: really interesting plays. They had really good players on all

544
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: three levels of their defense at times, but they also

545
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 2: would go entire halves without scoring. They would al like

546
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 2: they were just the things where you could understand some

547
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 2: of the results. Three and nine may have been an

548
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,360
Speaker 2: extreme in terms of how that season played out, with

549
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 2: how competitive they were against the best teams on their schedule,

550
00:29:57,080 --> 00:30:03,160
Speaker 2: but still there or worry some chunks of their of

551
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 2: the twenty twenty one Nebraska experience, and they made a

552
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 2: bunch of wholesale changes, so they're approaching things in a

553
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: serious way. What is your opinion of where Nebraska was

554
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:12,880
Speaker 2: is and can be?

555
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the only teams they beat were Fordham,

556
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:21,320
Speaker 1: Buffalo and Northwestern. And you don't get paid based on

557
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,959
Speaker 1: close calls, correct, It's a results based industry. M hm.

558
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: So in looking back at Nebraska, if we compare twenty

559
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:38,640
Speaker 1: one to twenty Nebraska about the same, about the same

560
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 1: the results last year in an abbreviated season. I think

561
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: we're a little bit more in line with that statistical footprint.

562
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: As he said, right, second order wins here off the charts. Yeah,

563
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: second order wins has them as a six and six team,

564
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: but thirty seventh overall in the sp plus thirty third

565
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: best offense, twenty eighth best defense. So that in and

566
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 1: of itself is not really the hallmark of a three

567
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: to nine team, and it definitely indicates that there are

568
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 1: some underlying things that are causing that inconsistency. I think

569
00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: is the big one across the board on offense on defense.

570
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: Right many weeks three, you couldn't really put your finger

571
00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:21,640
Speaker 1: on it. And I think that's the frustration for Nebraska

572
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: fans now as they look ahead, like the team wasn't

573
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,000
Speaker 1: horrible last year. It was decent at times, it just

574
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 1: wasn't decent enough when it really counted, and that's why

575
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: they lost nine times. So counterpoint, they were horrible to

576
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: their own fans. They were a horrible experience to watch

577
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:45,560
Speaker 1: as a Husker fan. I'm positive I just wonder, you know,

578
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,239
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody's going to go into the season with

579
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: Scott Frost on the hot seat. Of course, it's just

580
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 1: an inevitability. At this point. I go back and forth

581
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 1: on whether or not it was smart to retain him

582
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 1: for another year.

583
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 2: Well, whatever his I'm sure there were elements beyond like

584
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 2: is Nebraska good or not? But yeah, continue right, your

585
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 2: point all along has been. The reason they retained him

586
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: is because no.

587
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 1: One else that they wanted wanted the job that they

588
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: asked around and they couldn't find anybody else. Yeah, So

589
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 1: I think there's probably an element of it. But you know,

590
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: I think we've gotten to the point now where we're

591
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: going to ask the same questions about Scott Frost that

592
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: we've been asking for years on end now about Clay Hilton.

593
00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: How many games does he need to win in order

594
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: to retain that job? In looking at the schedule, it

595
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: is fairly workable. It is not a bad schedule. Yeah,

596
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: last year is nightmare of a schedule, just at least

597
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:43,200
Speaker 1: heading into the season what it appeared to be. Yeah,

598
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 1: they had the fifth hardest schedule last year. This year,

599
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what the numbers look like. I'm sure

600
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: somebody's run them. They've got Oklahoma at home at the

601
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: end of September, which is probably going to be a

602
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: bloodbath of sorts. But beyond that, it seems pretty workable

603
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 1: to me. Why do you think the Oklahoma game will

604
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 1: be a bloodbath? I don't know. I think I love

605
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 1: that phrase, and then they'll follow up, Okay, continue Maybe

606
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm just being a little bit biased against Nebraska. But yeah,

607
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 1: I guess the game's at home, it's in Lincoln.

608
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,480
Speaker 2: The hell do we know about what Oklahoma's gonna look like?

609
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 2: All right, all right, okay, sorry.

610
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: I just wanted to know there'll be a healthy dog

611
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: in that game. Okay, they should be a healthy dog

612
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: in that game, fair enough? What? Okay?

613
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 2: So your opinion right now? So they make the changes

614
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: that they make. They bring in Chubba Party and Casey

615
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: Thompson Mark Whipples now running the offense. They hire a

616
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,800
Speaker 2: new receivers coach. Think it's Mickey Joseph from LSU. They

617
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 2: hit the portal reasonably hard. They lose key guys, of course,

618
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 2: Adrian Martinez to Kansas State. Like, do you feel like

619
00:33:54,400 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: Nebraska from afar has patched up holes? Has done enough to?

620
00:34:00,880 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: Say?

621
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,959
Speaker 2: Okay, I could see them, you know, not making the

622
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 2: freak mistakes. And you know they hire a full time

623
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 2: special teams coordinator and that was a major weakness last year.

624
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 2: Have they done enough to And I don't know what

625
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 2: that number is And I don't know what the competitive

626
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 2: nature of Nebraska has to be for Scott Frost to

627
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 2: keep his job. But are you if you're a Nebraska fan,

628
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: Are you reasonably happy with the job Scott Frost has

629
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 2: done to try and make things right from a sort

630
00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: of administrative roster and coaching staff perspective, reasonably?

631
00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: So? Yeah, he's kicked up enough dust that even if

632
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: he hasn't, it's had a nice distracting effect. But I think,

633
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: I think the quarterback thing is important. I'm very curious

634
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: to see how he handles a quarterback position. Adrian Martinez.

635
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 1: They tried to build the whole plane out of Adrian Martinez,

636
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: and he just wasn't that guy. Yeah, he wasn't that guy. Right.

637
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: I think Casey Thompson's a better passer, for sure. I

638
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: know he's mobile. We saw him at Texas. He can

639
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,319
Speaker 1: be mobile, but he's a different kind of player and

640
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: son that's true. But yeah, okay, continue that's your opinion,

641
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 1: go for it, right. He's not a runner, but he

642
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: can move in the pocket. I just feel like the

643
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 1: type of system that Frost wants to run is probably

644
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: a better fit for a guy like a Casey Thompson

645
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:17,520
Speaker 1: than somebody like an Adrian Martinez. And so I think

646
00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 1: in that sense, in that sense alone, I feel pretty

647
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 1: optimistic about where this could head. But you know, then

648
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 1: you start diving into like, all right, why are the

649
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: weapons out? Why can they support a quarterback like that?

650
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: That's a far more nuanced discussion, but I think on

651
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:32,760
Speaker 1: the surface level, to the extent that we can diagnose

652
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 1: it here, I feel okay.

653
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 2: About Yeah it was. My question is, you know, is

654
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,799
Speaker 2: this fully mark Whipples offense? Is this still Scott when

655
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 2: you have somebody who's had those types of fingerprints on

656
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:49,240
Speaker 2: an offense and quarterback preparation or quarterback teaching. Where Adrian

657
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,239
Speaker 2: Martinez is throwing four picks against Purdue, is you know

658
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 2: making it look there are freak fumble opportunities. They're freak

659
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:57,520
Speaker 2: you know, not going for fourth down or fourth down calls.

660
00:35:57,560 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 2: It's just is Nebraska a team with a coaching staff

661
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,280
Speaker 2: ready to prepare an offense to win moments against equal

662
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 2: or even slightly better teams. And maybe the addition of

663
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 2: Whipple is some sort of advantage, but man, I don't know.

664
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 2: It all feels a little bit too little, too late

665
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 2: to me. All right, next team, Okay, this next team

666
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 2: probably had the most precipitous fall on one side of

667
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,920
Speaker 2: the ball. I use the points per drive metric, but

668
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,960
Speaker 2: you can use whatever metric you want on offense or

669
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 2: defense of any of these teams.

670
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: It's got to be Northwestern's defense, right correct, thank you, yeah,

671
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 1: thank you.

672
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 2: They were first in twenty twenty. If you remember how

673
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 2: well they played against Ohio State in the Big Ten

674
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 2: championship game. They win the Big Ten West, They completely

675
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 2: silence basically everybody that they play on defense, and they

676
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 2: fell from number one in the nation in twenty twenty

677
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,359
Speaker 2: to ninety eighth. That is as far as I can tell,

678
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 2: as drama as it got in terms of twenty twenty

679
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: to twenty twenty one. Obviously, the context of the twenty

680
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: twenty season is part of things here. But Mike Hankwitz

681
00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:15,759
Speaker 2: retires as Northwestern's longtime, uber successful defensive coordinator. They bring

682
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 2: in Jim O'Neill, who didn't seem to be a guy

683
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 2: with the most accolades, but that's who they bring in.

684
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: They have this.

685
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,240
Speaker 2: The revolving door at quarterback continues. You know Hunter Johnson

686
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: a couple of years priors there. He has since now

687
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: gone back to Clemson. Ryan Halensky supposedly comes is a

688
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,440
Speaker 2: guy who came in to stabilize things after Peyton Ramsay.

689
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 2: That doesn't really work out at all. They just they

690
00:37:38,680 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: have opportunities at times to win interesting games. You know,

691
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: the Iowa game was one that comes to mind where

692
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 2: they're driving with about two minutes left, win that game

693
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 2: and immediately thrown interception. There were pieces on this defense,

694
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 2: you know, Chris Bergen there was you know, the Bergen

695
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 2: brothers were were longtime Northwestern stalwarts as playmakers. Was a

696
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: walk on and Joseph ops to transfer. He was a

697
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: freshman All American. He ends up at he's at Notre

698
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: Dame as Marcus Freeman brings him over to solidify that

699
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 2: secondary that lost Kyle Hamilton. So Northwestern's defense, just especially upfront,

700
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 2: especially getting after the passer, especially running that really tight

701
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 2: zone that they've run for the past few years, just

702
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,720
Speaker 2: fully fell off a cliff. Evan Hall stepped up on offense.

703
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 2: He was a bright spot at running back. But man,

704
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 2: this Northwestern team, which had largely gotten the Big West

705
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 2: and its own fans used to competing on an interesting

706
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:38,720
Speaker 2: level more often than not, just turned in another nightmare

707
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:39,320
Speaker 2: of a season.

708
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 1: It was bad. The defensive falloff was very precipitous, and

709
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 1: that's not doing the team any favors, if only because

710
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: the offense is always in a spot where we're questioning

711
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: where the points coming from. What was the last time

712
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: we talked about a Northwestern offense is electric? Oh wait,

713
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 1: it's been.

714
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 2: There were Clayton Thorson moments, but not a full year

715
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 2: of electricity. Just sparks.

716
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: And that's fine, right, that's okay. You can win like that,

717
00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: but it is contingent on you having a decent defense,

718
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 1: and they just didn't have that last year. Per the

719
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 1: sp Plus, they went from third to seventy second. The

720
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 1: team as a whole because of that, dropped from thirtieth

721
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:25,560
Speaker 1: in the sp Plus all the way down to one

722
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: oh six, right, mostly because of the defense. They went

723
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: seven to two and twenty twenty three and nine obviously

724
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 1: this past year. So moving forward, I think a lot

725
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: of what you mentioned in play here right, there are

726
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,560
Speaker 1: pieces on the defense that are going to need to

727
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: be replaced. On top of the fact that they need

728
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: to figure out a way to get better on defense.

729
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: Whatever they tried last year did not help. On offense,

730
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: they bring a lot back, so hopefully that side of

731
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: the ball improves, But to go from one hundred and

732
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 1: eighteenth up doesn't really acquire a whole lot. It just

733
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: now requires a little bit more competence. So I expect

734
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: they'll get better. It's just a matter of can they

735
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,359
Speaker 1: get better enough to pick up the slack for the

736
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 1: defense wherever that ends up, and then on top of it,

737
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 1: on top of it, on top of it, they get

738
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,239
Speaker 1: both Penn State and Ohio State from the east in

739
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 1: some of their cross divisional games, which is about as

740
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,000
Speaker 1: bad as you can do. Yeah, So I don't know. Man,

741
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: Like I know, there's no rush to fire Pat Fitzgerald.

742
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 1: I don't expect they ever will. But on some level,

743
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 1: if you don't see the improvement, you got to ask

744
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,400
Speaker 1: the question, what's the plan here? What's the what's the

745
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,480
Speaker 1: plan here? Another bad defensive effort in twenty twenty two

746
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,040
Speaker 1: could be a real deal breaker there. I don't know

747
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 1: what a couple points here is one. I think you

748
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 1: undersold how good a defense needs to be with an

749
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:55,640
Speaker 1: offense that's been so woefully ineffective. It's the half team

750
00:40:55,719 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: thing Northwestern's defense. They need to be great every year

751
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: to hold up their end of the bargain and win

752
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 1: six to ten games. Here's a factoid for you about

753
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 1: the Northwestern offense. I look this one up before place,

754
00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 1: Northwestern had no quarterback on the roster throw for more

755
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 1: touchdowns and interceptions. The best that they did was Andrew Marty. Yeah,

756
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: he went six and six, six touchdowns, six interceptions. But

757
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: Ryan Halenski three touchdowns, four picks. Hunter Johnson in the

758
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: limited action he saw four touchdowns, four interceptions. I could

759
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: dive in more on the quarterback stats, you don't want

760
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 1: me to, but let's just leave it there that they

761
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: just didn't get anything on the quarterback front. Evan Hall,

762
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 1: like you said, bright spot, Evan Hall had a nice year,

763
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: but beyond that, just not much in the passing game.

764
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: The other thing I would add, just because we have

765
00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: what Stanford Northwestern duke on this list we talked about

766
00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 2: Vandy last time, is in this current era, this transfer

767
00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 2: portal era, this this movement across the sport in ways

768
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: unlike what we've ever seen, is going to put these

769
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:12,799
Speaker 2: more rigorous academic programs at a pretty big disadvantage just

770
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 2: because the barrier for entry academically for these schools makes

771
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 2: it nearly impossible. I know Stanford picked up a transfer,

772
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: I don't know what Northwestern. They didn't hit the portal

773
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 2: especially hard this year, right, and so Pat Fitzgerald runs

774
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 2: this program out of and at times really successfully a

775
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,319
Speaker 2: sense of loyalty for his assistant coaches and his coordinators.

776
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 2: Like how long was was Northwestern running at best underwhelming offense.

777
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,360
Speaker 2: He just was extremely loyal to the offensive side of

778
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 2: the ball there. And so if you're not able to

779
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 2: make wholesale changes to improve your team because of that

780
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 2: sense of loyalty because of the academic restrictions or it's

781
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: not you know, restriction, obviously, it's just it's going to

782
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 2: be tricky. It's trickier. It's going to be a small

783
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 2: pool of guys who were able to come to your

784
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: school for an immediate infusion of talent and improvement. And

785
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: so it's just Northwestern the margin for air of high

786
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 2: school evaluation has to be so much better than everybody else.

787
00:43:17,600 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 2: And that the same goes for Stanford, Duke, Vanderbilt, Georgia Tech.

788
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: That's another one of those teams. You know, it's just

789
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: it's just more difficult and more difficult than ever. All right,

790
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:31,480
Speaker 1: next team, All right, I'm pulling up the list right now.

791
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 1: This team went two and ten against the spread and

792
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: didn't score more than fourteen points after October second.

793
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 2: Is that a real stat. That's a real stat. They

794
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 2: did not score more than fourteen points in a game

795
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: after October second, a date in which they had a

796
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:59,319
Speaker 2: decent but not huge sized upset. October second was a

797
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: decent sized up and they did not score that more

798
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,600
Speaker 2: than fourteen points from that point thereafter.

799
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:12,279
Speaker 1: Wow. I don't think it's Duke because I can't think

800
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:17,480
Speaker 1: of an upset that Duke was part of. And I

801
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 1: don't think it was Georgia Tech or Stanford.

802
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 2: No, Stanford had a big upset, but no, they scored

803
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: a little bit more better than that in some of

804
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 2: those games.

805
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 1: I'll say, gosh, let's go Georgia Southern Temple.

806
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 2: So Temple beats Memphis. On October second, Temple beats Memphis.

807
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 2: Rodkerrey no longer the head coach of the Owls. The

808
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,760
Speaker 2: hired Stan Drayton. He of I mean, he was at Texas,

809
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 2: but he's been you know, NFL. He's he's been around

810
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: and I think pretty highly regarded higher. Stan Drayton, who

811
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,120
Speaker 2: was you know, background as a running backs coach, to

812
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 2: take over the program, Temple was just full on bat.

813
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: They bring in Dwan Mathis from Georgia as a transfer,

814
00:45:00,719 --> 00:45:03,920
Speaker 2: he enters the portal, but then has since decided to return.

815
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 2: It's going to be a complete overhaul. It's going to

816
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:11,840
Speaker 2: take time. At Temple, they just didn't do much well

817
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 2: last year, and they're one of the that's I mean,

818
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: aside from being bad as the primary reason and being

819
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 2: bad consistently. You can keep your job if you're somebody

820
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 2: like Scott Frost when there's hope, when there's reason to say, Okay,

821
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: we lost these games when it was closed and the

822
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: results didn't really didn't really match with the performance of

823
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:33,720
Speaker 2: which there were a lot of good performances for Nebraska.

824
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 2: They just came up short in big moments. Temple was

825
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 2: just kind of bad at everything. Their past defense was

826
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,240
Speaker 2: okay at times but still gave up too many big plays.

827
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:49,760
Speaker 2: Just bad, just not a good team and didn't recruit

828
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 2: especially well.

829
00:45:52,640 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: I don't know.

830
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: The hope is that Temple has been a place where

831
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:02,440
Speaker 2: coaches can succeed. Philadelphia is not the middle of nowhere.

832
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:04,800
Speaker 2: You can get players from the Northeast. There is football

833
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 2: culture in the Northeast, not what it is in the

834
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: Midwest of the South. But with what Al Golden and

835
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,759
Speaker 2: then Matt Rule and kind of Steve A. DAZZI were

836
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: able to do. You go to bowl games as a

837
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 2: Temple owl, and it's going to be recruiting, it's going

838
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 2: to be evaluation, it's going to be getting lucky with

839
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:25,439
Speaker 2: other teams in the conference. But that's where Temple sits

840
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:25,879
Speaker 2: right now.

841
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: Temple's hired really well in the past. Yeah, they've got

842
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: a track record for hiring, just not this time. It

843
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: didn't really work out, and so to go a different direction.

844
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: Stan Drayton, whom I never heard of before, I must admit, yeah,

845
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: never heard of the guy. But the riding was on

846
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,120
Speaker 1: the wall that they were going to go in a

847
00:46:46,160 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: different direction before last season, even before what we saw

848
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one happened. This is a team that

849
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: was one in six in twenty twenty abbreviated schedule. All

850
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 1: the numbers lined up with a one and six team,

851
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: and again this past year they got worse pretty much

852
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: across the board, and the numbers line up. The fact

853
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: that they got the three and nine I think is

854
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 1: sort of an accomplishment. So the riding is on the wall.

855
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,040
Speaker 1: It made sense. I echo your sentiment. It is a

856
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,359
Speaker 1: place where coaches have succeeded in the past, you can't

857
00:47:19,360 --> 00:47:20,160
Speaker 1: succeed a Temple.

858
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 2: They hadn't they hadn't fired a coach since nineteen ninety two.

859
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: They've hired really well. It is just a place, as

860
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: you said, that may not necessarily have that football culture

861
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: like you'd find in State College Pennsylvania. Right, everybody in

862
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:34,719
Speaker 1: Philly cares about the Eagles. They care about Temple when

863
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 1: they're on ABC.

864
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say, there are enough programs in

865
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: the area. Sure, in the portal era between Penn State

866
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 2: and Syracuse and Boston College and pitt like, there are

867
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: enough places where Temple is a and like they've had

868
00:47:49,120 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 2: good dudes drafted. Oh my godn Reddick, who is the

869
00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 2: recent edge guy? Like they've had guys so like if

870
00:47:57,080 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 2: Stan Drayton is that guy, if he hires well, if he,

871
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 2: I mean it proves too a hired well, if he

872
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,239
Speaker 2: recruits well enough and you know, sets up Temple as

873
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 2: a destination, it's an interesting place.

874
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 1: No, I'm I'm with you. I'll remain optimistic. This is

875
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:13,560
Speaker 1: a program that's had some success. And who knows the

876
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:17,160
Speaker 1: Manny Diaz era, Like, who knows what that could have been?

877
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: The Many era? Wow, Yeah, lasted all of like forty

878
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 1: eight hours. Two weeks lasted all of forty eight hours.

879
00:48:23,280 --> 00:48:26,000
Speaker 1: I didn't pull up Temple's twenty twenty two schedule. I'm

880
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: not that concerned about it. You're ready for the next

881
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: thing to it again. Let's do it again. So I

882
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,080
Speaker 1: am I am one, two, three, four, five, I'm one

883
00:48:34,120 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 1: in four in guessing these teams. Okay, hmmm.

884
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: This team's offense was historically bad and clearly the worst

885
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 2: in America in twenty twenty one. Got to be New Mexico, right,

886
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: it was New Mexico. Yeah, yeah, play the play that

887
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: sound please, thank you. The defense wasn't great, but there

888
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,280
Speaker 2: is reason to believe now with Danny Gonzalez and Rocky

889
00:48:59,320 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 2: Long switching. Daneganzelz played for Rocky Long at New Mexico,

890
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: coached for him at San Diego State. Rocky Long, if

891
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,320
Speaker 2: you remember, was flirting with just leaving the head coaching

892
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: job to talk to like Syracuse and his former assistant there,

893
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 2: or spoke with with with Syracuse just in general about

894
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 2: becoming their defensive coordinator. As an active head coach at

895
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 2: San Diego State, he takes over took over the defense

896
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: at San Diego at excuse me, New Mexico and they

897
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 2: made plays. You know that that three three five defense

898
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 2: is always going to be tricky. And he was actually

899
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 2: good as a head coach at New Mexico. They went

900
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: to a bowl game, I want to say, in like

901
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 2: five of six years in the early to mid two thousands,

902
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,600
Speaker 2: the Lobos did. They just it's an uphill battle. It's

903
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 2: not you know, a state that produces a ton of talent.

904
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to lean on Texas, lean on California

905
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 2: good amount.

906
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: And just I don't know enough about the program, and

907
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: I don't know enough about the program as a destination.

908
00:49:55,120 --> 00:49:58,040
Speaker 1: But you're not going to attract a ton of names

909
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: to go to the land of Enchantment.

910
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,719
Speaker 2: So we'll see. They we know that they're ceiling. I

911
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,399
Speaker 2: think Bob Davey took him to a bowl or two.

912
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 2: Mike Loxley was a complete nightmare and disaster as a

913
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 2: head coach there.

914
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see.

915
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 2: Is the best that I can offer. They haven't recruited

916
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,440
Speaker 2: especially well. I mentioned at the top Miles Kendrick, the

917
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 2: quarterback transfer from Kansas, ended up as a Lobo. But man,

918
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 2: they just they lost a ton in the portal, which

919
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 2: is worrisome that this is not necessarily going to work

920
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: out in long term, but it could have just been

921
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 2: been holdovers from the previous era. I just it's not

922
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 2: a place like even Temple or some of these other

923
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 2: schools where you can envision because of the local talent

924
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 2: and because it appearing as a transfer destination that they

925
00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 2: could become a Bowl team in a year or two.

926
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:43,799
Speaker 2: It's hard to see.

927
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: With New Mexico. I think dream Point dream Style Stadium.

928
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm going a different direction. I have nothing productive to

929
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: say about New Mexico. Okay, dream Style Stadium, which is

930
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 1: where they play. Yeah, capacity about forty five thousand. I

931
00:50:58,280 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: believe that's good. Dream Style Stadium has hosted two very

932
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: famous artists musicians groups in his past. I was gonna

933
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:15,000
Speaker 1: say Georgia O'Keefe, no different, no still life here. This

934
00:51:15,080 --> 00:51:18,600
Speaker 1: is in the nineties, mid to late nineties. Two acts

935
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:23,480
Speaker 1: in particular moved through dream Style Stadium. Can you name

936
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:24,479
Speaker 1: one of the two?

937
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:27,839
Speaker 2: Does it align with the fact that it's in New

938
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: Mexico or is it just random?

939
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 1: Is it?

940
00:51:30,040 --> 00:51:33,720
Speaker 2: Are you just going to say Eifel sixty five or something.

941
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: They're definitely more well known of Thannifel sixty five. Two

942
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 1: prominent acts mid to late nineties. Mid to late nineties,

943
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,560
Speaker 1: did Cheryl Crowe pass through dream Style Stadium? Cheryl Crow

944
00:51:49,680 --> 00:51:54,480
Speaker 1: did what as an opening act for somebody else, But

945
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,439
Speaker 1: Cheryl Crow was part of the Bridges to Babylon tour.

946
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: Thank you play that for yourself? The Stones? That was

947
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: The Stones in ninety seven. Wow, okay, I just there's

948
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: something very Southwestern about Cheryl Crow. Vibes Cheryl Croaking Up

949
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,960
Speaker 1: the Sun October thirtieth, nineteen ninety seven. She was the

950
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,760
Speaker 1: opening act for The Stones. The other one in the nineties.

951
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,720
Speaker 1: I'm sure there were more, but the other more prominent

952
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:24,440
Speaker 1: one in the nineties, nineteen ninety four, August the second

953
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: Metallica Metallica.

954
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 2: That's super prominent. Yeah, Stones and Metallica coming into the

955
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 2: dream Style whatever it was called back then.

956
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, Cheryl Crow out of nowhere, I could have

957
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: picked anybody.

958
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,480
Speaker 2: You're watching my eyes, you're here. I'm not tapp tapping,

959
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 2: I'm not doing anything.

960
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: No, no, wow, boom, there's any nugget for you. I

961
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:48,279
Speaker 1: love that. Thank you very much. Next time.

962
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:56,719
Speaker 2: Uh this oh man, This team, despite being pretty competitive

963
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 2: in their losses, finished twenty empty two's class. So the

964
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: recruiting class with the worst in its conference.

965
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: Is this power five team? You know it is not

966
00:53:11,880 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: It is not Ohio. I don't know it is Ohio.

967
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 1: It is play look at you, look at me. Let's

968
00:53:18,080 --> 00:53:18,720
Speaker 1: go fire.

969
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,840
Speaker 2: They moved the ball. This is another Rourk, not Nathan.

970
00:53:21,880 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 2: I think it was Curtis Rorke. They moved the ball

971
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 2: decently enough on the ground. Armani Rogers, the UNLV transfer

972
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: came in as sort of a dual threat role couldn't

973
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 2: really pass, so sort of a mono threat. They could

974
00:53:35,640 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 2: run the ball, and they just couldn't finish drives worth anything.

975
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: They could not get in the end zone at all.

976
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,160
Speaker 2: They would move it and just stop it. And so

977
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 2: that's where the Bobcats really suffered. And then they couldn't

978
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: recruit Tim Alban in his first year. Frank Souliz retires

979
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 2: relatively close to the season, So there was that weird

980
00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 2: you know, and that's gonna happen in year one in

981
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,439
Speaker 2: the recruiting cycle where you're not just not given time

982
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 2: to to help form and generate relationships with with high

983
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 2: school coaches and classes. But Miami of Ohio is a

984
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 2: pretty good Win into their credit. They were once again

985
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 2: competitive in those losses, which all things consider better to

986
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 2: be competitive than not. So Ohio is a place that

987
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:20,400
Speaker 2: has I mean, Frank Solch won a ton of games

988
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 2: in Athens, and I don't know. I'm optimistic that Ohio

989
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 2: can get back to that point because the max seems

990
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:33,880
Speaker 2: as open as ever. But I just the identity shift

991
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 2: and the coaching and the high leverage moments, it's just

992
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 2: going to need to get way better.

993
00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: Did you know that the bobcat is a species that

994
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:46,680
Speaker 1: is native to Ohio? I did not know that it's

995
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:52,240
Speaker 1: one of seven wildcat species that is found in North America. Okay,

996
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,279
Speaker 1: what are the others? I don't know what the others are.

997
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 1: I'm getting this whatever you're on on Wikipedia. No, I'm

998
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: getting this from the Ohio Department bit of Natural Resources.

999
00:55:01,000 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: I don't do Wikipedia. You know that I know Athens

1000
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: much more the Wikipedia. Dan come on, Athens has been

1001
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:10,400
Speaker 1: on a lot of lists. Athens, Ohio, not Athens, George Athens,

1002
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 1: Ohio has been on a lot of best college town lists.

1003
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: So there must be something correlated to the fact that

1004
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 1: Ohio has been able to attract winning football players and

1005
00:55:20,680 --> 00:55:24,760
Speaker 1: be located in a desirable place to go to school. So, yeah,

1006
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,959
Speaker 1: Ohio is in a kind of a deep funk right now.

1007
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: But we'll see. We'll see next team. Are you ready,

1008
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:33,359
Speaker 1: I'm ready, let's go.

1009
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: This team looks to be starting a transfer quarterback who

1010
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:43,200
Speaker 2: would be playing in games.

1011
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: In his sixth year. He has played in games in

1012
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:50,799
Speaker 1: five straight years and presumably will be playing in a

1013
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: sixth straight season. Now he's you know, injury, so we

1014
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 1: don't play the game or two in some of those years.

1015
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 1: But was a three year starter at his previous place.

1016
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: A three year starter at his previous Yeah, I gotta

1017
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: be honest, I don't know the answer.

1018
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 2: Again, his coach is not easily recognizable in a Hudson News.

1019
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 1: Oh, Georgia Southern.

1020
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:17,480
Speaker 2: Yes, correct, Kyle Van Trees playing. He transfers in from Buffalo.

1021
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:18,560
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh.

1022
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:23,600
Speaker 2: He had thrown balls in five consecutive seasons for the Bulls.

1023
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 1: There's a Forrest Gump quality there where you're going to

1024
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: go back through the archives and just find him in

1025
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,120
Speaker 1: black and white photos, like at prominent games. What's Van

1026
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:33,240
Speaker 1: Trees doing here? Okay?

1027
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:38,160
Speaker 2: He started college in twenty seventeen. Goes now to State's

1028
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 2: Borough and plays for Georgia Southern, and we'll see what

1029
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,239
Speaker 2: happens for Georgia Southern. They lost six of seven to

1030
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:45,959
Speaker 2: end their season. They hire Clay Helton. By the way,

1031
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 2: their new defensive coordinator is Will Harris, who was the

1032
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 2: corners coach at Washington. An awesome corner for USC. So

1033
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 2: you have the USC connection at Georgia Southern. They didn't

1034
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 2: hit the portal especially hard, but to me, it's a

1035
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 2: place you can win. Local talent is there. The conference

1036
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,399
Speaker 2: becomes a lot trickier with the additions on the other side. Yeah,

1037
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 2: but true.

1038
00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: Georgia Southern interesting. They were an a win program in

1039
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. They were pretty good. They were yeah, eight

1040
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: and five. The defense was not bad in twenty twenty

1041
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: is a top fifty defense. But that bottomed out. It

1042
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 1: all sort of bottomed out past season. That was the issue.

1043
00:57:27,840 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: Defense went from forty sixth all the way down to

1044
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:35,240
Speaker 1: one ten. Yeah, and I think base largely on that

1045
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,000
Speaker 1: drop off. That's how you go from seventy first overall

1046
00:57:38,040 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: in SP plus all the way down to one seventeen.

1047
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,920
Speaker 1: Second order wins count for Georgia Southern three point zero

1048
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: right on the nose. So we'll see what Clay Helton

1049
00:57:47,080 --> 00:57:48,800
Speaker 1: can do. That'll be an interesting story to follow.

1050
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 2: As I mentioned, they're playing Nebraska at Nebraska and Georgia Southern.

1051
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 2: Just to correct myself, they are in the sun Belt East,

1052
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,760
Speaker 2: the proposed hypothetical sun Belt East with the new so

1053
00:58:01,480 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: a bit trickier of a division. But I don't know,

1054
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,960
Speaker 2: I'm reasonably optimistic with Georgia Southern.

1055
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't know. All right, next team, are you ready?

1056
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,880
Speaker 1: Who do we have left? We've got that Southern miss

1057
00:58:14,960 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: Duke Stanford and Georgia Tech. This team has wall to

1058
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: wall murderers their schedule, and it doesn't seem like their

1059
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: coach is long for this place. You're refer you've got

1060
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 1: to be referring to Jeff Collins at Georgia Tech, right,

1061
00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: I am, thank you.

1062
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 2: They finished their season last year losing one hundred to

1063
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: nothing at Notre Dame and against Georgia. Having Georgia as

1064
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 2: an annual rivalry non conference is perhaps. I mean, there's

1065
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,880
Speaker 2: a case for South Carolina. There's a case for I

1066
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: don't know, Florida or Florida State. One of the more

1067
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 2: disadvantage situations giving your own program and its own limitations.

1068
00:58:57,160 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 2: It's probably the worst. Can I read the schedule off?

1069
00:59:00,880 --> 00:59:03,920
Speaker 1: Can I read this? I would both love to and

1070
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:07,640
Speaker 1: hate to hear it? Open up the year, Labor Day weekend,

1071
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,880
Speaker 1: the Monday night game in Mercedes Benz Stadium quote unquote

1072
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 1: facto home quote unquote probably quote unquote neutral site. But Clemson,

1073
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 1: Clemson comes to town, to Atlanta, They've got Old Miss

1074
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:28,440
Speaker 1: at home. They go to UCF to pit They are

1075
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: on the road again later in the year at Florida

1076
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 1: State and at Virginia Tech on back to back weeks,

1077
00:59:36,840 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 1: followed up by a home game against Miami. Resurge at Miami.

1078
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll see North Carolina on the road, who knows

1079
00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 1: what that's going to be. And then they close out

1080
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 1: the year on the road at Georgia. Brutal, brutal. Looking

1081
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 1: at that count right there, Clemson probably a loss, Ole Miss,

1082
00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 1: I'm assuming probably a loss. Florida State. I'll take some

1083
00:59:59,200 --> 01:00:03,240
Speaker 1: liberties and say that probably a loss. Virginia Tech probably

1084
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: a loss.

1085
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, I mean Virginia Tech's first year coach.

1086
01:00:05,680 --> 01:00:09,040
Speaker 1: We'll say what the Georgia definitely a loss. So right

1087
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: out of the shoot you're looking at I think at

1088
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: least four or five losses.

1089
01:00:15,360 --> 01:00:17,160
Speaker 2: Georgia Tech probably needs to go to a bowl game

1090
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 2: this year for Jeff Collins to keep his job, which

1091
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:23,400
Speaker 2: means they will need to beat first year coach at

1092
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 2: Virginia first year coach at Virginia Tech. They get Miami

1093
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: at home with the first year coach, they probably need

1094
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,520
Speaker 2: to win that game. They got North Carolina with changes

1095
01:00:31,520 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 2: on defense, with change at quarterback. They probably that like

1096
01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 2: in Western Carolina, and then I got you gotta win

1097
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,160
Speaker 2: at the Bounce House at UCF. You gotta win at Pitt.

1098
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 2: Now it's you know, new offense, ish at Pitt, new quarterback,

1099
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 2: new coordinator. But they're gonna have to shock and surprise.

1100
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 2: They lose their best offensive player to Alabama and Jamior Gibbs. Yeah,

1101
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 2: that's just demolished in the portal. Georgia Tech kills them.

1102
01:00:56,520 --> 01:00:58,919
Speaker 2: They hired Chip Long to take over the offense, which

1103
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 2: say what you will, he is at least somebody who

1104
01:01:03,600 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 2: will stay like he's stabilized Notre Dames offense when they

1105
01:01:06,320 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 2: needed it. Sure, they got a lot better in the

1106
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 2: red zone. So whatever Georgia Tech season looks like, it

1107
01:01:13,240 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 2: won't be because of an offense without a vision per se,

1108
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 2: they might not have the talent they you know, quarterback

1109
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,680
Speaker 2: Will It's still a work in progress with Jeff Simms.

1110
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 2: I just it's hard to see it ending all ending

1111
01:01:27,360 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 2: in a bowl game for the Rambling wreck at this point.

1112
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 1: I really want Georgia Tech to be better. I really

1113
01:01:34,880 --> 01:01:39,520
Speaker 1: really want Georgia Tech to be better. Do you I do? Okay,

1114
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: I do. I think football is more interesting, especially in

1115
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:47,520
Speaker 1: the ACC, if you've got a competent Georgia Tech. And

1116
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:50,480
Speaker 1: I think the one thing that has been consistent throughout

1117
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 1: the time that Jeff Collins has been there, we know

1118
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: he's all in on Atlanta. He's trying to sell that

1119
01:01:54,480 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 1: hard team seemingly plays pretty hard for him. It's just hard.

1120
01:02:00,920 --> 01:02:04,000
Speaker 1: At the schedule, man, It's so hard. It is so

1121
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 1: hard to get ahead with the schedule like this. This

1122
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:08,600
Speaker 1: is a team that if you look at what happened

1123
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty where they played ten games, they went

1124
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:17,720
Speaker 1: three and seven twenty twenty twenty twenty one, three and nine,

1125
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 1: obviously ninety sixth in sp plus, so slip by about

1126
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: twenty spots offense, marginally worse defense, a lot worse defense,

1127
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: Slipped by a pretty drastic number, so you factor in

1128
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:37,800
Speaker 1: the brutal schedule. I don't know, man, I'm not too

1129
01:02:37,840 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: optimistic that it's getting much much better, even that a

1130
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: bowl game is on the table. There's so many land

1131
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 1: mines here in the schedule that unless they have kind

1132
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: of like a South Carolina esque season where they find

1133
01:02:53,560 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: ways to scrape and claw and get six wins, I

1134
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: don't know. Like, I just don't see it.

1135
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 2: I'm just curious because I've thought this whole time you've

1136
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 2: been talking. I'm just racking my brain. You did nothing

1137
01:03:06,160 --> 01:03:10,720
Speaker 2: but disrespect Paul Johnson and the Georgia Tech success that

1138
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 2: he had there because you disrespected the Triple basically.

1139
01:03:13,920 --> 01:03:14,440
Speaker 1: The entire time.

1140
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:16,000
Speaker 2: You didn't take it seriously. And that's why you were

1141
01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:18,840
Speaker 2: sent a what I send you an Orange Bowl champion?

1142
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 2: Had Georgia Tech Orange Bowl champion in Mississippi state.

1143
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:22,760
Speaker 1: It's somewhere around here.

1144
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you do nothing but disrespect Georgia Tech during

1145
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:27,920
Speaker 2: that time?

1146
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:29,120
Speaker 1: Correct? Correct?

1147
01:03:29,120 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 2: And when Georgia Tech was succeeding before then, it was

1148
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 2: like the Reggie Ball unwatchable. Like when when is it

1149
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:39,760
Speaker 2: that Georgia Tech has made college football better? Like of

1150
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:41,680
Speaker 2: all the teams like you can make that point about

1151
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,640
Speaker 2: Texas or Nebraska or Miami because there's something like there's

1152
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 2: there's branding their style. I just don't understand. Like, to me,

1153
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 2: college football has always been better when Georgia Tech has

1154
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:56,280
Speaker 2: been bad, like because it's come at the expense of

1155
01:03:56,360 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 2: other more fun programs with better environments. And now I

1156
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:01,840
Speaker 2: understand that, Like it would be a cool story if

1157
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,200
Speaker 2: like a local Atlanta team, which, by the way, recently

1158
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 2: discovered that that Atlanta's pronounced basically with two ends at

1159
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:07,560
Speaker 2: the end of the.

1160
01:04:07,560 --> 01:04:13,480
Speaker 1: Word, like Toronto, Atlanta Atlanta. Yeah. Uh, I just I.

1161
01:04:13,480 --> 01:04:16,840
Speaker 2: Don't know, there's there's never really been that much flash

1162
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,040
Speaker 2: to Georgia Tech football that has really like held up

1163
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 2: a side of the sport.

1164
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 1: To me, well, I mean it's a historic program and

1165
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: it's in a great football city in Atlanta, I hear you.

1166
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,960
Speaker 1: So for my money, even though we don't got a

1167
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: whole lot to go on recently, it would be cool

1168
01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: to have a program in Atlanta Atlanta other than Georgia

1169
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: which is over in Athens, be be prominent in the ACC.

1170
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: The AEC is gettable, like it's there, man, it's gettable.

1171
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 1: It's always in a bit of a tizzy, especially now

1172
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: with who knows what's going on with Clemson, Like there's

1173
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,280
Speaker 1: there's a lot of intrigue I think as to the

1174
01:04:59,320 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: direction of that ofference. So I don't think it's happening

1175
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,840
Speaker 1: for Georgia Tech. But I think with that being said,

1176
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 1: historic program. You know, Bobby Dodd Stadium is the oldest

1177
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: stadium in college football. I did not know that. You know, underneath,

1178
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:18,480
Speaker 1: underneath the West stands are the old West stands. It's

1179
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:22,520
Speaker 1: like a hidden cavern. Is that true. There's a little

1180
01:05:22,520 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: one hundred percent trough. You can go down there and

1181
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: still see parts of the old stadium. There's so much

1182
01:05:28,120 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: history at Georgia Tech, not just with the stadium but

1183
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: with the program that I would really love to see

1184
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,760
Speaker 1: them rise to prominence. I just don't see it happening.

1185
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: It's unfortunately not going to happen for Jeff Collins, all right,

1186
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:41,880
Speaker 1: not in twenty twenty two. Yeah, I don't know.

1187
01:05:42,520 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 2: I'm good with it happening, but that doesn't really register

1188
01:05:46,360 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 2: with me. I remember driving through Atlanta once and somebody's like, oh,

1189
01:05:48,920 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 2: there's Bobby Dodd, and.

1190
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: Like, really, no.

1191
01:05:51,480 --> 01:05:53,400
Speaker 2: Usually when you drive through somewhere and you're like Oh

1192
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,439
Speaker 2: there's the stadium. Wow are you driving on I thirty

1193
01:05:56,480 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 2: five or whatever?

1194
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 1: And you're also you're like, yep, there's DKR. Pretty cool.

1195
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:00,960
Speaker 1: Kind of different.

1196
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 2: All right, h next school, who do we even have left? Okay,

1197
01:06:08,320 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 2: this team was pretty awful and finished with the.

1198
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: Number one recruiting class in its conference. Southern Miss Stanford.

1199
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:25,800
Speaker 1: Stanford finished with the top recruiting class in the Panford Yes,

1200
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,160
Speaker 1: so really? Yes?

1201
01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:29,640
Speaker 2: So you have USC with the coaching change, you have

1202
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 2: Oregon with the coaching change, you have Washington with a

1203
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 2: coaching change. And so even though those schools salvaged classes

1204
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 2: to whatever extent, they were not large classes, Stanford did

1205
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 2: pretty well, especially along the lines they recruit nationally. I

1206
01:06:44,080 --> 01:06:46,919
Speaker 2: think they finished something like eighteenth in the country, which

1207
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:49,720
Speaker 2: was good for number one in a very very much

1208
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 2: changing PAC twelve at the top. So Stanford, Yeah, they.

1209
01:06:52,520 --> 01:06:53,920
Speaker 1: Go three to nine and finish with the number one

1210
01:06:53,920 --> 01:06:55,480
Speaker 1: recruiting class in the PAC twelve. All right, let me

1211
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,600
Speaker 1: ask you a question, realistic question. Would Stanford ever move

1212
01:06:58,640 --> 01:07:04,080
Speaker 1: on from David Shaw? Yeah?

1213
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 2: I mean I think it would take probably another couple

1214
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,640
Speaker 2: of down years, but he's making something. Remember when the

1215
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 2: USA Today released there or there was some story that

1216
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,880
Speaker 2: came out that finally released what he is making because

1217
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:18,280
Speaker 2: it's harder to get the figures from coaches at private schools.

1218
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,120
Speaker 2: It's been like nine million dollars a year, like high

1219
01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 2: eight's low nine, something in that range. And I just

1220
01:07:25,440 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 2: don't think you can justify paying those that kind of

1221
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:30,360
Speaker 2: number to somebody going three and nine, four and eight,

1222
01:07:30,440 --> 01:07:33,120
Speaker 2: two and ten over you know, a three four year span,

1223
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 2: So I could see it. It's it's probably gonna take

1224
01:07:37,400 --> 01:07:41,520
Speaker 2: more because I think he is so beloved there than Yeah,

1225
01:07:41,600 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 2: that's something that's my brow or something like that.

1226
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:47,080
Speaker 1: That's my point. The offense fell off a cliff last year. Yeah,

1227
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: the offense fell off a cliff. This was a bad offense.

1228
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: They went from thirty first in twenty twenty again abbreviated

1229
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,560
Speaker 1: schedule four and two in twenty twenty, all the way

1230
01:07:56,600 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 1: down to one hundred and fourth nationally, which is a

1231
01:08:00,440 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 1: huge drop off. If Northwestern was the answer on the

1232
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,280
Speaker 1: other side of things, you could definitely make a case

1233
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 1: for Stanford on the offensive side of things, just really bad.

1234
01:08:09,200 --> 01:08:13,520
Speaker 1: The defense also really bad. It was really bad last year.

1235
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: It got worse in twenty twenty one. YEP, variety of

1236
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: factors for that. I'm sure we could talk about it

1237
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,880
Speaker 1: if we really wanted to. We don't. What matters is

1238
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:26,200
Speaker 1: the second order wins total two point seven per The

1239
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: sp plus had Stanford pretty much right on the number

1240
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: at three and nine, So I think you layer all

1241
01:08:31,880 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: that in the recruiting is something we can discuss. But

1242
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: bigger picture, as we move ahead now into twenty two,

1243
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 1: this is not an easy schedule for Stanford. It is

1244
01:08:44,080 --> 01:08:49,920
Speaker 1: not an easy schedule for Stanford. Brutal road schedule at Washington,

1245
01:08:50,080 --> 01:08:52,799
Speaker 1: at Oregon, at Notre Dame. That's all within the first

1246
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,080
Speaker 1: six weeks of the season. Then there's a road tilt

1247
01:08:56,120 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 1: later against Utah. Obviously they play usc pretty early on

1248
01:08:59,280 --> 01:09:03,520
Speaker 1: as well, So it's just it. It's stacking up against

1249
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:07,479
Speaker 1: Stanford making some sort of reclabation project in twenty twenty one.

1250
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,439
Speaker 1: They could come on strong late, but they're going to

1251
01:09:10,520 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: have some work to do early. I think if they

1252
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 1: want to prove to anybody that they can get this

1253
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 1: thing turned around in a good direction.

1254
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:18,840
Speaker 2: So they lose both of their running backs who carried

1255
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,040
Speaker 2: the ball the most, who toted the rock the most,

1256
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 2: and Nathaniel Pete and Austin Jones. Pete transfers to Massoo

1257
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 2: and Austin Jones to USC And the big thing for

1258
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 2: Stanford is for Stanford. For Stanford is year over year,

1259
01:09:35,360 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 2: it always seem like whatever they were for better or worse,

1260
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 2: they would get good line play up front on both

1261
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:42,960
Speaker 2: sides of the ball. They would have a good defense,

1262
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,880
Speaker 2: they would have a good offensive line. They would get

1263
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:49,559
Speaker 2: guys into the NFL, especially upfront on defense, upfront. On offense,

1264
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:52,200
Speaker 2: you know, they would develop an interesting running back, be

1265
01:09:52,320 --> 01:09:54,759
Speaker 2: it Bryce Love hitting home runs, be it Christian McCaffrey

1266
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,800
Speaker 2: as one of the all time all purpose greats. And

1267
01:09:57,840 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 2: they would find these guys and develop these guys. And

1268
01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,599
Speaker 2: they haven't developed a receiver in quite some time. Tight end.

1269
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 2: They've had guys, you know, most recently Colby Parkinson was

1270
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:12,760
Speaker 2: was that guy. But they've stopped finding, they've stopped developing,

1271
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:17,160
Speaker 2: and they've stopped really being able to weaponize specific players

1272
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,960
Speaker 2: on offense. And they would find quarterbacks. But even like

1273
01:10:20,200 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 2: since Kevin Hogan, like it's been a while, and like

1274
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:26,639
Speaker 2: they're pulling in four and five star kids like Tanner

1275
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,960
Speaker 2: McKee I think was a five star quarterback and he

1276
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:32,040
Speaker 2: showed flashes, but this was a predictable offense. It was

1277
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,800
Speaker 2: one of arguably one of the worst defensive lines in

1278
01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 2: defensive fronts in football. Were they the worst run defense

1279
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 2: in football?

1280
01:10:38,640 --> 01:10:41,479
Speaker 1: They were. They were in that grouping, they were rushed around.

1281
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: I can, I can pull it up, but they were.

1282
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 2: But so I'm assuming they were the worst power five

1283
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 2: run defense in America and they It's what Lance Anderson

1284
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 2: on defense and Tavita Pritchard on offense as coordinators. They

1285
01:10:58,360 --> 01:11:00,640
Speaker 2: retained both of those guys, So they sew another one

1286
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 2: of those guys who doesn't make a lot of wholesale

1287
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,680
Speaker 2: changes along his coaching staff and doesn't really have the

1288
01:11:05,720 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 2: ability to do so via the portal on the on

1289
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:13,360
Speaker 2: the roster. So's it's that same idea of turning around

1290
01:11:13,400 --> 01:11:16,599
Speaker 2: that aircraft carrier that you know, Stanford's in a better

1291
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,639
Speaker 2: place because they can recruit on a much higher level

1292
01:11:18,840 --> 01:11:23,720
Speaker 2: than Northwestern, Vanderbilt duke programs like that. But man, I

1293
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,719
Speaker 2: don't know. There's a stubborn streak to David Shaw, both

1294
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,280
Speaker 2: in the architecture of the offense and play calling and

1295
01:11:29,320 --> 01:11:32,120
Speaker 2: decision making in those higher leverage moments that doesn't seem

1296
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 2: to improve.

1297
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:33,479
Speaker 1: He was.

1298
01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 2: He won a bunch of close games in twenty twenty,

1299
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 2: so it doesn't you know, that didn't seem like there

1300
01:11:38,120 --> 01:11:40,559
Speaker 2: was going to be pressure on his seat after twenty twenty,

1301
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:42,560
Speaker 2: and they did have their starting quarterback against Oregon and

1302
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:44,599
Speaker 2: that opener because of it, I think it was a

1303
01:11:44,640 --> 01:11:48,879
Speaker 2: false positive that it was Davis Mills I think received

1304
01:11:49,400 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 2: but I don't know. It's really difficult to see when

1305
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 2: you look at this roster and you look at what

1306
01:11:55,080 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 2: they were or were not able to do on the field,

1307
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 2: to see them as an eight and four, nine to

1308
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 2: three program again any time time soon.

1309
01:12:00,960 --> 01:12:03,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, the thing to watch on the Stanford front, and

1310
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 1: it's it warn't mentioning. Stanford is third in returning production

1311
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:13,559
Speaker 1: for twenty twenty two, so bring it back nearly everybody

1312
01:12:13,560 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: on offense and most of the defense. Some of the

1313
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,760
Speaker 1: other teams that we're talking about here are also on

1314
01:12:19,800 --> 01:12:21,640
Speaker 1: that list. We haven't talked about Southern miss yet, but

1315
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:24,639
Speaker 1: they're in the top ten. Georgia Southern also brings back

1316
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: a lot. So there are reasons for optimism, I think

1317
01:12:28,600 --> 01:12:31,720
Speaker 1: with some of these schools. But you know, Stanford, being

1318
01:12:31,760 --> 01:12:33,840
Speaker 1: as high up as they are, really the only Power

1319
01:12:33,880 --> 01:12:37,599
Speaker 1: five team that's that high, can they do anything with it?

1320
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. It's been a minute

1321
01:12:40,080 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: since Stanford was like a real, tried and true contender

1322
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:46,920
Speaker 1: in the Pac twelfth. So we'll see. Yeah, and there's

1323
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 1: kind of a window right now, there is in the North.

1324
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:52,840
Speaker 1: You have new coach at Washington, new coach at Washington State,

1325
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: new coach at Oregon. Oregon State should be decent enough.

1326
01:12:56,479 --> 01:12:58,240
Speaker 1: Cal has had its own struggles. And then, by the way,

1327
01:12:58,240 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: the big games on the road this year coach at

1328
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:03,839
Speaker 1: USC UCLA sort of. I mean that game was gettable

1329
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 1: for Stanford last year. It seemed like at times they

1330
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 1: had a lead. And you know, the Arizona schools are

1331
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:11,760
Speaker 1: very much in flux in Arizona heading the right direction

1332
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 1: in Arizona State. Not Utah's really strong, but Colorado seems

1333
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 1: to be a disaster. So the window for Stanford is

1334
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,960
Speaker 1: they're relatively open. Yeah, it's just a matter of handling

1335
01:13:21,960 --> 01:13:24,880
Speaker 1: their own business and finding those difference makers on both

1336
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:26,200
Speaker 1: sides of the ball, both sides of the ball.

1337
01:13:26,320 --> 01:13:28,920
Speaker 2: So there's Stanford. This This next team was the only

1338
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 2: team on our list to win its final two games.

1339
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:36,800
Speaker 1: Southern Miss. Southern Miss is correct, Thank you, Dean.

1340
01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 2: Southern Miss a lot more active in the portal than

1341
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 2: a lot of these teams, and they have the luxury

1342
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,240
Speaker 2: of having two major programs in their own state and

1343
01:13:45,320 --> 01:13:47,439
Speaker 2: Ole Miss and Mississippi State, which they very much took

1344
01:13:47,439 --> 01:13:49,879
Speaker 2: advantage of and added a number of Mississippi State players.

1345
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:52,000
Speaker 1: Last year.

1346
01:13:52,200 --> 01:13:54,559
Speaker 2: It was an interesting team. So it was year one

1347
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,400
Speaker 2: of Will Hall coming in from from Tulane. He was

1348
01:13:57,400 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 2: the offensive coordinator and pretty well regarded. I remember Oregon

1349
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 2: interviewing him a couple times for their open open job,

1350
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 2: in which I think they that was Joe Morehead who

1351
01:14:05,680 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 2: took it at that stage. But the defense was quietly

1352
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 2: decent at times. They allowed too many big plays. Their

1353
01:14:15,720 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 2: big focus, and it makes sense given the number of

1354
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 2: junior colleges in the state and in the area, was

1355
01:14:21,680 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 2: on adding JC players and adding players via the portal.

1356
01:14:24,560 --> 01:14:27,800
Speaker 2: So they're looking to immediately turn things around. They as

1357
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:30,200
Speaker 2: I mentioned, they went they won their final two, but

1358
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:34,640
Speaker 2: last year did feature pretty bad losses. It's hard to

1359
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:36,920
Speaker 2: go three to nine and not have a few bad losses,

1360
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,160
Speaker 2: just in terms of who you lose to. Troy Rice,

1361
01:14:39,200 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 2: South Alabama. You know, UTEP was improved but still not

1362
01:14:41,960 --> 01:14:46,600
Speaker 2: great to lose to the miners Middle Tennessee North Texas.

1363
01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 2: And they do have this year in which should be

1364
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,600
Speaker 2: a new look team. They they traveled to Miami and

1365
01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:56,799
Speaker 2: they host Liberty, So tricky early, early sledding for the Eagles.

1366
01:14:56,840 --> 01:15:01,000
Speaker 2: But Southern Miss a program that I'm confident can get

1367
01:15:01,040 --> 01:15:03,479
Speaker 2: better quicker than some of these other schools within the

1368
01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,960
Speaker 2: context of you know, who they play and where they play.

1369
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and also, as I just said, top ten in

1370
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,840
Speaker 1: college football in terms of returning production. Yes, so you

1371
01:15:13,880 --> 01:15:16,799
Speaker 1: can do something with that for sure. And it's it's

1372
01:15:17,200 --> 01:15:19,880
Speaker 1: a fairly workable schedule. I mean, you mentioned they've got

1373
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,679
Speaker 1: game against Miami on the road, and there's some others

1374
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,920
Speaker 1: here that are certainly problematic. But yeah, it's gettable, it's gettable.

1375
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 1: They can definitely approve a bit of a rotation at

1376
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 1: quarterback last year.

1377
01:15:31,080 --> 01:15:33,759
Speaker 2: So and I don't think any of these three guys,

1378
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 2: Lang Keys or Trey Low for more touchdowns and interceptions.

1379
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 2: So a lot of work to be done through the air.

1380
01:15:41,080 --> 01:15:42,599
Speaker 1: But I don't know.

1381
01:15:42,840 --> 01:15:46,400
Speaker 2: Again, I have some optimism with Southern Miss and I

1382
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,360
Speaker 2: know it's kind of you know, behind the scenes, can

1383
01:15:48,400 --> 01:15:51,879
Speaker 2: be a bit of a screwy place, but it seems

1384
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,479
Speaker 2: like the activity and attention is there.

1385
01:15:54,800 --> 01:15:57,800
Speaker 1: So yeah, so they're miss final team here is Duke.

1386
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:00,200
Speaker 1: You could tell me in a second on what you

1387
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,320
Speaker 1: wanted to say about Duke. But what jumped out at

1388
01:16:02,360 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: me when I was looking over the blue devils in

1389
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: Duke's case, they lost their last eight yep, North Carolina,

1390
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,799
Speaker 1: Georgia Tech, Virginia Wake Forest, Pitt Virginia Tech, Willisville, Miami.

1391
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: Not the easiest road if you're Duke, No by any stretch, right,

1392
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: But we had talk going into the year like is

1393
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: this tire running out of air for David Cutcliff and

1394
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:28,920
Speaker 1: maybe it's time to move on. Ultimately they did. They

1395
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:30,840
Speaker 1: go in the direction of Mike Elco. This is a

1396
01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:35,280
Speaker 1: team that pretty much quit, pretty much quit. Yeah, second

1397
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:38,600
Speaker 1: half of the year. If you look at postgame win expectancy,

1398
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:42,679
Speaker 1: they were nowhere close. The only game, the only game

1399
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:45,880
Speaker 1: in all of those eight where their post game win

1400
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:49,840
Speaker 1: expectancy was above a zero percent, which I cannot tell

1401
01:16:49,880 --> 01:16:54,519
Speaker 1: you is almost impossible, was Georgia Tech. They lost that

1402
01:16:54,560 --> 01:16:57,120
Speaker 1: game by four. All the other games that were pretty

1403
01:16:57,160 --> 01:17:01,880
Speaker 1: much destroyed, they had no chance. So the time was right.

1404
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,559
Speaker 1: They move on they go. Mike. Mike Elko is a

1405
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:05,200
Speaker 1: good hire for.

1406
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,479
Speaker 2: Duke definitely, and given his time in the state at

1407
01:17:08,479 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 2: Wake Forest and ties to you know, finding you know,

1408
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:14,040
Speaker 2: high level three star kids who can get into Duke

1409
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:17,439
Speaker 2: and succeed and develop and take time. I think it's

1410
01:17:17,439 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 2: a strong hire.

1411
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,240
Speaker 1: Folks on some of the A and M message boards

1412
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 1: were betrayed by this. How could he lead leading Duke?

1413
01:17:24,360 --> 01:17:27,439
Speaker 1: Why would he leaved coaching job? Yeah, he could have

1414
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:29,679
Speaker 1: shot higher than Duke. He could have gotten a better

1415
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,479
Speaker 1: gig if he wanted to than Duke, But like you said,

1416
01:17:32,479 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 1: there's a bit of a connection there. He decides ultimately

1417
01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 1: he wants to take that gig. Clearly Duke's program that's

1418
01:17:38,200 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 1: going to give him time. Mike Elko has been a

1419
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:43,519
Speaker 1: successful assistant for many, many years now, so you know,

1420
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:45,759
Speaker 1: the extent to which he can turn that ship around,

1421
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,280
Speaker 1: turn that aircraft carrier around, remains to be seen. But

1422
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:52,519
Speaker 1: the time I think was right for a fresh start

1423
01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:56,160
Speaker 1: at Duke. And uh, you know, on both fronts, not

1424
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:59,360
Speaker 1: just football, but at time of recording, we just saw

1425
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 1: coach ks scheme. That's true on the basketball side as well,

1426
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:05,599
Speaker 1: So a whole new era for the two money sports

1427
01:18:05,640 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 1: on the men's side of things.

1428
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,160
Speaker 2: For Duke, Yeah, and the expectation isn't there. The expectation

1429
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 2: for Stanford, given recent results, I think is far more

1430
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 2: pronounced than it is at Duke, given what David Shaw

1431
01:18:16,520 --> 01:18:18,640
Speaker 2: specifically has been able to accomplish in Palo Alto and

1432
01:18:18,680 --> 01:18:22,640
Speaker 2: Jim Harbaugh before him. Yeah, it's you know, get to

1433
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:25,599
Speaker 2: a bowl game sometimes that's good. That's good at Duke.

1434
01:18:27,240 --> 01:18:29,519
Speaker 2: And yeah, I get the move from Mike Elco. You

1435
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:31,640
Speaker 2: get a head job in the acc you take it.

1436
01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 1: You take it. If you've been trying for a job

1437
01:18:33,439 --> 01:18:35,200
Speaker 1: like this, you were going to cook out, by the way,

1438
01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:38,240
Speaker 1: ty bit at a cookout or at.

1439
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:44,280
Speaker 2: No No, the fast food chain in the Southeast, specifically

1440
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 2: the Carolinas.

1441
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:48,240
Speaker 1: I think no cookout. No. It is.

1442
01:18:49,600 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 2: Whatever it lacks in high level quality, it makes up

1443
01:18:54,840 --> 01:18:59,160
Speaker 2: for and then some in value. Really, you can feast

1444
01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 2: for three dollars eighty four cents. You can get I don't,

1445
01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:04,640
Speaker 2: are you a milkshake guy? I know we had the

1446
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 2: whole thing with Adam Amin way back when.

1447
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:12,080
Speaker 1: On occasion it's not my go to, but I'm not.

1448
01:19:12,240 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 1: I'm not anti milkshake.

1449
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:17,640
Speaker 2: You can get there's like thirty flavors available at cookout.

1450
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 2: There's it's a huge menu. Everything is cheap if you

1451
01:19:21,320 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 2: are hungry and you don't have a bunch of cash.

1452
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:25,519
Speaker 2: Not a sponsor could be. I just say this because

1453
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,280
Speaker 2: I've only been to Durham once and I ate a

1454
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 2: cookout and I was thrilled with the experience. So, uh,

1455
01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 2: maybe that's why michaelko went back.

1456
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: Could be for cookout. Yeah, it could be for cookout. Yeah,

1457
01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:39,000
Speaker 1: Duke is I don't know.

1458
01:19:39,040 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 2: They're in a nice position just because the expectations are

1459
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 2: so low. And David Cutcliffe did hire pretty well. You

1460
01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,360
Speaker 2: remember it was it was Cutcliff who brought Jim Knowles

1461
01:19:47,360 --> 01:19:49,840
Speaker 2: I think, onto the biggest stage at that time for

1462
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,240
Speaker 2: him and got hired away by Oklahoma State at the time.

1463
01:19:52,640 --> 01:19:55,880
Speaker 2: But I did see I think David Cutcliffe might be

1464
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:59,720
Speaker 2: heading to Texas and like a like a an advisor

1465
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,880
Speaker 2: type le same way that Gary Patterson's being hired there.

1466
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 2: And maybe can't hurt that Cutcliffe's relationship with the Manning

1467
01:20:08,200 --> 01:20:11,880
Speaker 2: family could come handy with the number one quarterback recruiting

1468
01:20:12,200 --> 01:20:17,200
Speaker 2: in the country currently, somebody with that last name. But uh, yeah,

1469
01:20:17,280 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 2: Cutcliff did a lot of good things for them as

1470
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:21,000
Speaker 2: well regarded, but it just it wasn't going to be

1471
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:23,040
Speaker 2: any sort of short, medium, or long term answer for

1472
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:23,639
Speaker 2: the Blue Devils.

1473
01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:27,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and to your point about expectations, Duke's sort of

1474
01:20:27,120 --> 01:20:30,080
Speaker 1: starting over at a bunch of positions that they're near

1475
01:20:30,120 --> 01:20:33,160
Speaker 1: the bottom in terms of that returning production number. So

1476
01:20:33,560 --> 01:20:36,600
Speaker 1: it really is going to be a near full rebuild

1477
01:20:36,840 --> 01:20:39,320
Speaker 1: for Mike Elko starting in year one. He can build

1478
01:20:39,560 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 1: in his image.

1479
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:44,559
Speaker 2: Do you know who is awesome? Matteo Durant and nobody

1480
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:47,680
Speaker 2: we us included. We didn't talk about it because it

1481
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 2: was just he wasn't playing in meaningful games at all.

1482
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:52,640
Speaker 2: And I have no idea if this is going to

1483
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 2: be the case. I know nothing about the draft. I

1484
01:20:54,760 --> 01:20:58,679
Speaker 2: know nothing about the NFL. I just know that guys

1485
01:20:58,720 --> 01:21:02,280
Speaker 2: like Matteo Durant, who are able to succeed on terrible

1486
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:06,160
Speaker 2: teams can be guys who are you know, free agents

1487
01:21:06,280 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 2: or you know, drafted in the sixth seventh round, And

1488
01:21:09,160 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 2: especially at the running back position where value doesn't mean much.

1489
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: You're like, this guy just.

1490
01:21:13,400 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 2: Ran for fourteen hundred yards for the Steelers for the Viking.

1491
01:21:17,040 --> 01:21:21,200
Speaker 2: What oh cool? That's the kind of guy I think

1492
01:21:21,240 --> 01:21:24,559
Speaker 2: Matteo Durant can be from what I've seen of him.

1493
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,719
Speaker 1: Rush for twelve hundred yards nine touchdowns. Not a bad year. Yeah,

1494
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:30,960
Speaker 1: not a bad year. Okay, Uh, that does it, Dan?

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Speaker 1: So that's it. We went through all twelve teams. I

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Speaker 1: don't know how many I got right, maybe five? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that went three to nine in twenty twenty one. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: all of them get better. We have no reason to

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Speaker 1: root against them. But as we said going through, some

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Speaker 1: have greater obstacles than others. We're going to continue doing

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Speaker 1: this so the next time around. Now you're the kings

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Speaker 1: of losers. We are the kings of losers. Yeah, for

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Speaker 1: eight next month we can talk through. There will be

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Speaker 1: more tea tea for us. What do we have? Who

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Speaker 1: are the highlights? I don't have it in front of me,

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Speaker 1: but I did look briefly, and there are more four

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Speaker 1: and eight teams. I did check Lehigh and Lafayette Yeah,

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Speaker 1: three and eight. Yeah, So I don't know if you

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Speaker 1: have any weigh ins about any of those teams. Here

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Speaker 1: are the four and eight teams tie four and eight

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Speaker 1: FBS teams from twenty twenty one. Are you ready? I'm

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Speaker 1: ready please Navy, Okay, Rice, Yeah, Bowling Green, Buffalo, USC, Colorado,

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Speaker 1: Texas State, Louisiana, Monroe. And that's it. So there are

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Speaker 1: fewer teams. I think there might be fewer Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: damn all right, never mind, it's murders row Dan. This

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Speaker 1: is fun. I appreciate your research as ever, we would

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Speaker 1: appreciate everybody stopping on by the website heliverbal dot com.

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Speaker 1: That's where you can find all of our links. For

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Speaker 1: Bowlers dot com right now is where it's really popping off.

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Speaker 1: I mean, geezs right, extra nuggets, We've got early access,

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Speaker 1: We've got brewin a later this week, we're going to

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Speaker 1: do a two part brew and a part that goes public,

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Speaker 1: the other part that is private for Forballer's only Everballers

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Speaker 1: dot com. You can go on out to the Patreon.

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Speaker 1: You can also find the awesome show that we did

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01:23:16,000 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 1: talking about the James web Space Telescope in all Things Astronomy. Daniel,

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, it was so fun, the most fun

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Speaker 1: I've had doing an interview in quite some time. So

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Speaker 1: Forballers dot com is where you can find that premium

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Speaker 1: content and don't forget again to follow on social media.

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Speaker 1: What was the most fun before then? It might have

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Speaker 1: been Houston out on the toilet. That was pretty good. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I got nothing else for that over there, my good

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Speaker 1: friend Dan Rubinstein for myself, Tie Hildebrand. Thank you so

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Speaker 1: much for downloading, listening, supporting, and playing along at home.

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Speaker 1: We will be back a little later on this week

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Speaker 1: for an answer some of your questions. In the meantime,

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Speaker 1: stay solid, Pea,