WEBVTT - Casey Mize, Ben Malgeri and the Tigers' case to avoid a sell-off 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:12.000 And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.040 the Foul Territory Network Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Karen Steckley 0:00:15.080 --> 0:00:16.400 with me in his old ways as a man who 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.960 would never be pulled for a pinch runner, but if 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:21.920 he did, he would leave the field gracefully. 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:23.640 He is Cody Stavenhagen. How we doing. 0:00:24.160 --> 0:00:25.880 I'd be pretty pissed if I got pulled for a 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:34.000 pinch runner, but. 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:32.280 But you wouldn't make a stick about it on the 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:33.519 field in front of cameras. 0:00:33.520 --> 0:00:36.519 And so I might, I might, I don't know, I 0:00:36.600 --> 0:00:38.680 might maybe? Okay? 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:43.920 Well about Cody every day he closer to Rafael Devers, 0:00:43.960 --> 0:00:46.640 And I initially thought, all right, we are recording this 0:00:46.680 --> 0:00:49.480 a couple of hours after a four or three loss 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:51.960 by the Tigers to the New York Yankees. That, of 0:00:52.000 --> 0:00:54.720 course is after Monday, a five to three win over 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:57.800 said New York Yankees. And and you know, like this 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:00.880 was this was a game tonight, Cody that I you know, 0:01:00.920 --> 0:01:04.240 I couldn't really like prep for much in advance, because 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:06.560 it's like the mood was gonna be dictated a lot 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:10.160 by the result. And honestly, that's kind of where the 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:14.200 Tigers are at in general. Where whereas when May was 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:15.720 so bad, we say this all the time. May was 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.199 so bad, it's so cool to say, like, oh, yeah, 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.200 you know, best record in June, you know, and all 0:01:20.280 --> 0:01:22.280 these things and all these things are kind of lining up, 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.800 and then there's a game like today that you feel 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.360 like you should win. You certainly could have won. Had 0:01:28.400 --> 0:01:32.200 a couple of things gone differently, you would have won it. 0:01:32.520 --> 0:01:35.680 But it's still is it still was a game that 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:39.480 was very much reminiscent of the culture of the Tigers 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:42.200 that for the most part, has resulted in more success 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:45.000 than failure over the past couple of years. So again, 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:47.560 it's kind of hard to dive into, like what the 0:01:47.600 --> 0:01:51.200 first the I guess the A one of this game, 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:53.520 but maybe the A one of this game, speaking of 0:01:53.520 --> 0:01:58.320 base running, is is Joey Korra Joey Korra sending Riley 0:01:58.360 --> 0:02:02.000 Green in the fourth inning? Uh on a base hit 0:02:02.080 --> 0:02:03.840 by how you lee who by the way, you know, 0:02:04.000 --> 0:02:05.880 springing a couple things together. And if you guys are watching 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.240 on YouTube, we have a great screen grab from Cody 0:02:08.800 --> 0:02:14.520 Uh that kind of illustrates really what's what's what makes 0:02:14.520 --> 0:02:16.399 this a little bit tough to talk about. I think 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:18.320 tougher than I think people are giving it credit for him. 0:02:18.360 --> 0:02:22.239 We'll get into that. Cody Bellinger fields this ball as 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:25.560 cleanly as possibly you could possibly field this ball, and 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.720 it's straight at him, no no veering to the left 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:32.760 or to the right, really and throws Raley Green out comfortably. 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:34.560 I think is a good way to put it there, Cody. 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:38.440 And it was a really aggressive send. It was a send, 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:39.959 I'll be honest with you. It was a send that 0:02:40.080 --> 0:02:42.079 at the time I was like, not gonna work out, 0:02:42.840 --> 0:02:45.120 and then you see the screen grab and you and 0:02:45.200 --> 0:02:49.760 you could really like Monday morning quarterback saying that had 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:54.360 no chance, no chance at all. By At the same time, 0:02:54.400 --> 0:02:56.600 I try, and I think people who have listened to 0:02:56.680 --> 0:02:58.040 us for the past couple of years to try. I 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:00.320 try not to be like really prison of the moment 0:03:00.360 --> 0:03:01.920 with the sins. I try to look at from the 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.280 macro perspective, and I think, if this is what you do, 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:06.960 then you have to keep doing it, and you're gonna 0:03:06.960 --> 0:03:09.880 have to live with leading Major League Baseball and runners 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.160 thrown out at home that started at second base, which 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:15.359 I believe at according to Tiger's data, is the case 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:20.960 for the Tigers. So is it as outrageous as it's 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:24.800 being perceived right now or is there some sort of 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:27.040 middling ground to be had by this decision? 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:29.639 Oh, I think we're going to our threading the needle 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:32.160 segment right off the bat, because you just look at 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:35.440 the screen grab, Riley Green is like, I'm not sure 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.040 he's even three quarters the way to third base when 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:41.160 Cody Bellinger fields this ball. Cody Bellinger brings the ninety 0:03:41.200 --> 0:03:45.200 first percent island arm strength, sending Riley Green right there 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:49.080 seems rather reckless. And again, we've been talking about this 0:03:49.160 --> 0:03:52.240 for years now. The Tigers are aggressive, They're gonna run 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.760 us in some outs. I still like to think there's 0:03:54.800 --> 0:03:59.760 got to be some line between aggressive and just overly aggressive, 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:03.640 neckless stupid, and I think this one falls on the 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:06.000 other side of that line. I think it's pretty hard 0:04:06.000 --> 0:04:08.880 to look at this screen grab and say otherwise. But 0:04:09.440 --> 0:04:12.480 some nice perspective from our friend Eddie Badgiic on Twitter. 0:04:12.600 --> 0:04:17.000 He ran some numbers based on win expectancy. I've done 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:20.200 some stuff like this before based on like run expectancy. 0:04:20.600 --> 0:04:24.480 I don't necessarily expect anyone to understand this. If you're 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:28.239 if you're not into such analytics. But basically what Eddie 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:33.600 discovered is that there there was like a minimal difference here. 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:36.680 There were two outs. Zach McKinstry's coming up against Carlos 0:04:36.720 --> 0:04:40.880 rodon Your your chances of scoring if Riley Green stays 0:04:40.880 --> 0:04:46.400 put at third really aren't great. You're it's great if 0:04:46.440 --> 0:04:49.080 he's safe and you score, that's a pretty good boost 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.280 to your odds of winning. And then basically the way 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.000 Eddie crunches it down is like the break even point 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:58.240 was eight percent. Is there an eight percent chance that 0:04:58.320 --> 0:05:01.560 Cody Beunger's throw is off line or that really that 0:05:01.680 --> 0:05:04.400 Riley Green is safe? I would argue his throw was 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:06.760 a little bit offline. It was toward the first baseline. 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:10.000 Aj Hn jeffter Game said the throw was on the money. I, 0:05:10.480 --> 0:05:14.320 you know, whatever, we can disagree on that it wasn't 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:16.720 a perfect throw, and Riley Green was still out by 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.440 a good bit. I look at this and it's like, Okay, 0:05:20.800 --> 0:05:22.920 is there any chance Riley Green is safe eight percent 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.159 of the time here? That is a pretty low bar. 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:29.080 I think if you run this play ten times, he 0:05:29.720 --> 0:05:32.160 might be out on nine of them. But you said 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:33.840 it earlier here all right, Well, you run it one 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:36.520 hundred times, you know, is there enough variants? Are there 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:39.960 enough bad throws? These safe eight times? And does that 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:42.680 make such a sind worth it? In a two out 0:05:42.720 --> 0:05:44.919 spot where you're at the bottom of your order, you 0:05:44.960 --> 0:05:48.080 don't feel good about that run being driven in. And 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.120 I think that's part of the calculus here, part of 0:05:50.120 --> 0:05:53.200 why the Tigers are so aggressive. They are at least 0:05:53.240 --> 0:05:56.240 putting pressure on the other team to make a play. 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:02.480 At the same time, I think the overarching point here 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:05.200 is that, like the odds of scoring one way or 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.120 another just aren't very high here. So people get emotional 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:12.560 about it because it looks terrible. Rightfully so, because it's 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:14.880 an out at the plate it ends up being a 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:18.120 one run game that kind of incites some outrage. And 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.039 if you really want to zoom all the way out 0:06:20.080 --> 0:06:22.680 thirty thousand feet, look at run expects and z and 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:26.720 one expectancy. There are chances of scoring in that situation 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:29.080 just weren't good no matter what. So maybe it's not 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:31.720 the worst thing to make force the opponent to make 0:06:31.760 --> 0:06:35.000 a play. I would argue that if it looks like 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:36.960 your runner is going to be a dead duck by 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:39.480 several feet, you should just still hold them at third 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:41.599 and see what happens. Trust your guy see if he 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:44.919 can see if he can sneak it somewhere or so 0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:45.880 that's what I got for you. 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.800 Sure, And you know it's again we use this analogy 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:52.680 all the time. And you know, is it a you 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:56.359 gotta hit on sixteen type deal? And you know, typically 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:58.760 those odds on hit on sixteen are better than what 0:06:58.800 --> 0:07:01.159 you just laid out there with the with the Riley 0:07:01.160 --> 0:07:06.799 Green situation, So I understand that. But at the same time, uh, again, 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:09.000 if you want to go thirty thousand feet like this, 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:13.400 send is probably not done. If McKinstry is last year's McKinstry, 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.720 you know, especially against lefties, like like like there's there's 0:07:17.760 --> 0:07:19.960 a whole and you know, to his credit, like he 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.320 has put together some better swings and we'll touch on 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:26.480 that here in a second. But it just I you 0:07:26.560 --> 0:07:29.040 are playing the New York Yankees. You are trying to 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:33.880 claw every single win that you can, and like sometimes 0:07:34.200 --> 0:07:38.600 recklessness is kind of needed and warranted by situation. 0:07:38.760 --> 0:07:42.440 Now again, if if mcgonagall's. 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:44.720 On deck, if if you know, I know, it's Ryan 0:07:44.760 --> 0:07:46.800 Green running, But if Riley Green's on deck, you know, 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.800 the guys that you really trust. Hell, even like Kerry Carpenter, 0:07:50.120 --> 0:07:51.560 you know, had there not been a lefty on the mount, 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:54.760 blah blah blah, like I probably would feel differently. But 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:58.120 Zach McKinstry has struggled to hit the ball this year overall. 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:03.080 And Riley Green, while not looking graceful, is at least 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:06.200 like a smart baseball player and can run it well. 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:06.960 You see what I'm saying. 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.000 They're not necessarily with the speed, but just like you know, 0:08:09.080 --> 0:08:12.000 can run it well as you know, instinctually, And and 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:13.400 he had no hesitation there. 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:15.800 He was aware of the situation as well. 0:08:15.840 --> 0:08:19.680 And so like, if you just want to say it 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:22.120 was a bad call, I'm not going to disagree with you. 0:08:22.360 --> 0:08:24.480 But if you want to make it this overarching, like 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.280 this is why the Tigers are, you know, not winning 0:08:27.320 --> 0:08:31.239 these like one run games, I would argue that you're 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:35.040 putting yourself in worse situations to lose the one run games. 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:39.480 Then necessarily the fact that, like you know, these particular 0:08:39.520 --> 0:08:42.720 plays are costing you, if that makes sense, Like you 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:45.120 only get to this point if Zach McKinstry is struggling 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:47.680 at the play, you know, you only get to this point, 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.360 if you're only score, if you're you know, not being 0:08:50.400 --> 0:08:53.360 able to you know, get runs across against you know, 0:08:53.440 --> 0:08:57.160 a good lefty like Rondon and and so you kind 0:08:57.160 --> 0:08:59.240 of have to have this game plan. And if you 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:00.920 have the game plan, you have to stick with it 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.480 and you know, correct the Bellinger correct wells, you know. 0:09:03.679 --> 0:09:05.240 And also the fact that there are two outs. I 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:07.880 know Aj was asked about it afterward. I don't think 0:09:07.920 --> 0:09:11.520 he was committal about whether two outs really like played 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:14.640 a part in that, but uh uh to. 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.439 Me, it does. To me, it does because even if even. 0:09:17.280 --> 0:09:21.040 Think it plays like that in the past, based on 0:09:21.080 --> 0:09:23.080 the two out thing, I think he's just We've asked 0:09:23.160 --> 0:09:25.120 about a million of these plays over the years. I 0:09:25.120 --> 0:09:27.680 think he just kind of is now giving stock answers, 0:09:27.679 --> 0:09:30.520 which is honestly fine. He's never gonna come out and 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:35.080 throw Joey Kuurr under the bus. That's just not gonna happen. Yeah. 0:09:35.120 --> 0:09:37.480 And you know, even if you like are wanting to 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:39.559 be a little bit more positive about McKinstry of late, 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:41.360 one would argue maybe it's better than it for him 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.280 to start out and ending Uh then uh, you know, 0:09:44.320 --> 0:09:45.760 at the bottom of the order, set at the top 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:48.760 of the order, then then you know have a runner. 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:50.440 On with with with with two outs there. 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:53.920 So people are probably gonna say that that was a 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:56.439 little bit too calm, but for from for from us Cody, 0:09:56.480 --> 0:09:57.640 But that's just kind of how I feel. 0:09:58.240 --> 0:10:00.440 Well, that's that's just the truth. I don't blame fans 0:10:00.480 --> 0:10:03.319 for getting angry or emotional when you watch something like that. 0:10:03.320 --> 0:10:05.200 That's why we do try to point out, like, what 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.720 are you know, what was the actual maths say here, 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:12.760 And it's probably not equivalent to like the emotional reaction 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:15.360 that comes, And that's just is what it is. I 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.320 still think it's part of a larger point though, that 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.680 the Tigers aren't as good of a base running team 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:22.079 as they were a year ago. All the little things, 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:25.360 the little things they're costing them in one run games. 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:28.640 We saw it again tonight, like they did have two 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:30.640 outs on the bases. Ben mal Jerry, who had a 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:33.720 nice major league debut, still got doubled up on a 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:36.000 ball that he probably shouldn't have been so far off 0:10:36.000 --> 0:10:39.520 first base. On the Tigers have actually ran the bases 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:42.640 a little bit better the last week or so, up 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:46.600 to sixteenth in base running runs above average at zero 0:10:46.760 --> 0:10:49.959 point four, so they were in the negative. They were 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:52.000 in the red in terms of running the bases for 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:54.280 the majority of this season. They have been a little 0:10:54.280 --> 0:10:55.920 bit better as of late, but they were the number 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:59.000 two base running team in all of the league last year. 0:10:59.080 --> 0:11:01.199 Believe it or not. They're not leading the league and 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.679 outs outs on the bases anymore, but they're still pretty 0:11:04.760 --> 0:11:07.600 high up there. They're totally inept when it comes to 0:11:07.640 --> 0:11:11.959 stealing bases. It's actually crazy. They don't steal a lot 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.160 third lease in the league. That's kind of been the 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.720 case for most of the aj Hinch era. But part 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:20.480 of that right is being smart not wasting outs. Well, 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.320 they still waste outs. They have the third lowest success 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.000 rate when they do try to steal, sixty nine percent, 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.120 so that's costing them. Some of the dumb mistakes are 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.720 costing them. Not scoring when yeah, a guy's coming from second, 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:39.800 it's dinged kind of their run value. And beyond this 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:43.400 particular play like that is something this team is still combating. 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:45.480 As we talked about, are they getting their identity back? 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.600 Are they playing better baseball? They're playing a lot better baseball. 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.439 Like start off on kind of a negative note here, 0:11:51.440 --> 0:11:54.440 but like things have been much improved so far this month, 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.280 and that's great, but some of the little things of 0:11:57.320 --> 0:11:59.840 the margins, like can still be tuned a little bit. 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:02.760 They take extra bases at the top of the league, 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:04.760 but overall they're just not as good of a base 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:06.520 running team as they were one year ago. 0:12:08.120 --> 0:12:10.280 Yeah, and again I would have probably add to like 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:12.959 I feel like over the past I don't know, three 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:16.240 or four weeks, there have been less there has been 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:21.200 less aggressiveness, like, less recklessness, certainly on the bass pass. 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.040 Like there's been a several plays where I'm thinking, oh, 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:26.880 you know this, this would be a touchy first the 0:12:26.960 --> 0:12:28.560 third and they haven't even tried it. 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:30.000 So maybe that's one of those. 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:32.720 Maybe this what makes a play like this stick out 0:12:33.080 --> 0:12:35.320 even a little bit more. 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That's 0:13:41.840 --> 0:13:44.120 m A C K W E L d O N 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:46.000 dot com code f. 0:13:46.000 --> 0:13:46.480 O U L. 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:51.720 All right, coming back here. You know Casey Mize. 0:13:51.760 --> 0:13:54.960 And and I believe it was you askeding the question 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:57.520 about this in the in the in the clubhouse after 0:13:57.559 --> 0:14:01.400 the game. You know, there was so much to love 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:05.720 about Casey Mice today. I was like prepared to say 0:14:05.800 --> 0:14:08.440 things that would have been definitely a prisoner of the 0:14:08.480 --> 0:14:12.360 moment about Casey mees. He really three quarters of the 0:14:12.360 --> 0:14:14.679 way through his outing, he ends up five point two. 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.679 He gets tagged with the four runs, six k's, one 0:14:18.240 --> 0:14:21.400 one walk, and I thought, like, you know, credit to 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:23.800 Dingler two in the in the in the approach and 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:24.920 the coach of staffanos up. 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:26.240 The sequencing was amazing. 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.880 I thought the tunnel, the tunneling of the split and 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.680 the slider combined with the fastball that had I would 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:35.680 say above average below for Casey Mice today was excellent. 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:41.120 You know, didn't you know, didn't nobody on the Tigers 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:43.240 today allowed a runner, allowed to hit with a runner 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.600 in scoring position. Yet they still end up losing. And 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.120 again like one of those outings that was way better 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.640 than five point two and four or earned runs. Cody, 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:54.000 like I thought, I was thoroughly impressed. He misses a 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:58.000 call third by zero point four inches against Jazz and 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:00.800 then hangs I don't even say it was hanging slider. 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:02.600 It was just a little bit too much in the 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.400 in the play and writing kind of in this in 0:15:05.440 --> 0:15:08.520 the sweet spot for a guy like Jazz, and you 0:15:08.560 --> 0:15:10.360 know that, you know, talk about one runs. That's two 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.560 run home run. That makes a difference in a one 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:15.120 one run game. So what do you what do you 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:16.680 make of Casey today? Oh? 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:23.080 I mean, Casey Miyes was was stellar, no doubt. Interesting, Like, yeah, 0:15:23.160 --> 0:15:25.480 a few things go differently, right, There was an infield 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.400 hit against them there that Jazz chishumball had a thirty 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.160 seven degree launch angle in April. I don't think that's 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:35.280 leaving k America Park on several days, just depending on 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:37.480 the weather and the temperature and the air pressure, that 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:39.800 thing might not leave k America Park. But he did 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:44.920 hit hard, it just kept carrying. It's hard because yeah, 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:50.280 I had asked Casey. You know, Casey Mice, our favorite 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.880 pessimist here, was not happy after the game, not happy 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:56.360 with the loss, and he was pleased with his stuff. 0:15:56.400 --> 0:15:58.320 But I kind of asked, like, is it harder to 0:15:58.440 --> 0:16:02.360 feel good a game like that, given the importance of 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:05.120 every win? And you know, he said, yes, you know, 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.840 that's exactly it. And that's kind of where we're at. 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:09.960 If you want to shine on the bright side here. 0:16:10.000 --> 0:16:13.880 If the Tigers doing up deadline sellers, it's not just 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:16.360 Terrek Scuble who's going to be pretty in demand. Casey 0:16:16.400 --> 0:16:19.040 Mii is probably gonna be a top five, if not higher, 0:16:19.160 --> 0:16:22.040 starting pitcher available at the trade deadline based on what 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.000 he has done this year. If he continues to pitch 0:16:25.120 --> 0:16:27.680 like this, I mean, this is a guy everyone should 0:16:27.720 --> 0:16:29.920 want on their team and a guy that, you know, 0:16:30.000 --> 0:16:32.520 even though he doesn't have the track record of Tarek Scuble, 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:34.920 and even though injuries have been a concern, could certainly 0:16:34.960 --> 0:16:38.320 net you a pretty good prospect. The hope, obviously, is 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.880 to avoid a trade deadline sell off and to keep 0:16:40.920 --> 0:16:44.000 Casey Mice and Terrek Skuble and feel terrific about your 0:16:44.120 --> 0:16:46.560 rotation going into the postseason. We can talk a little 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.160 bit more about that, but I think the big point 0:16:49.280 --> 0:16:53.560 is just man, Casey Mies is stuff. It has not 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:56.440 been this good, this consistently at any other point in 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.480 his career. He's had two il stints and the stuff 0:16:59.520 --> 0:17:03.160 has stayed terrific. And that's I mean that that's a 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:04.640 good thing for everyone involved here. 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:10.119 Yeah, Like when I was thinking about the the mis, 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:14.600 you know, trade decision should it come to that or whatever, 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:18.080 like the I like, my prediction would be again, you know, 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:19.920 be nice to not have to get to this point, 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:22.960 but my prediction would be that in all the you know, 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:26.399 the athletic ESPN, MLB dot com, like all the post 0:17:26.560 --> 0:17:29.680 trade deadline articles and grades and all this stuff, would 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:33.680 be like, you know, underratedly like the Casey mis wind 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:36.280 up being like the best addition at this trade deadline, 0:17:36.359 --> 0:17:41.360 or Casey Mys like might be like sneakily like maybe 0:17:41.359 --> 0:17:43.159 someone who's not as locked in, I say, did they 0:17:43.200 --> 0:17:46.199 overpay for Casey My's Like that's like like those are 0:17:46.240 --> 0:17:48.520 the kinds of things because I think it's like he 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:50.240 was an All Star last year, but after the All 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:52.359 Star break, you know, obviously he you know, he was 0:17:52.400 --> 0:17:54.639 not nearly as effective. I mean, I think Casey My 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:58.680 still has like some people who aren't realizing how good 0:17:58.720 --> 0:18:01.400 he really is and what the what he's doing now 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:03.720 with that new kind of what do we call it, 0:18:03.800 --> 0:18:06.800 the the straight slider, you know, as opposed to the 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:09.120 looping slider. You know that that he works in there. 0:18:09.200 --> 0:18:14.439 So like, I I think if you're one of. 0:18:14.440 --> 0:18:18.399 Those people that wants Tarrek schooble to pitch well so 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:20.680 you can get a better return. You must have been 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:23.920 out of your mind excited tonight that case Mys look 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.399 good so that you can get a better return for 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:29.160 Casey my should uh you know when the Tigers inevitably 0:18:29.200 --> 0:18:31.919 trade him, right, that's the that's the mentality that you have. 0:18:32.119 --> 0:18:34.320 But but yeah, I thought he was good. 0:18:34.359 --> 0:18:37.320 I thought he like he he was recognizing the moment 0:18:37.359 --> 0:18:39.239 even like during the game, like you gotta pop out 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.520 in the second ending, and he was like mad at himself, 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:43.919 like he was, you know, almost kind of carrying with 0:18:44.000 --> 0:18:45.760 him a little bit of like a like a tearch 0:18:45.840 --> 0:18:48.240 schoobl as close as Casey Mice can get to a 0:18:48.280 --> 0:18:51.280 tear school intensity. Like I thought we were seeing that 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.240 from Casey myes in this game. And I mean that 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:55.600 obviously in a in a in a good way, like 0:18:55.640 --> 0:18:57.640 he was mad at himself even when he was great. 0:18:57.640 --> 0:18:59.080 And then, of course, you know, like I said, the 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:01.760 Jazz play, you know, just kind of didn't. 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:06.040 Go his way, Casey said. Casey. Someone asked him if 0:19:06.080 --> 0:19:09.439 he thought that jazz chism review was initially a strike, 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:11.600 and he's said, I just always assume it's going to 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:14.240 go against me that way, I like, don't get upset, 0:19:14.280 --> 0:19:18.240 and if it does go in my favor, I'm happy. 0:19:18.680 --> 0:19:22.359 I thought watching alive, Watching alive, I did think it 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:24.560 was gonna be one of those plays that like nick 0:19:24.640 --> 0:19:27.560 the corner like or one of those balls like it. 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:29.840 They ended up even though it was obviously really close, 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:33.120 ended up being like farther away from the strike zone 0:19:33.160 --> 0:19:36.840 then I initially thought, because I just thought it would 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:39.399 you know, the tunnel there would have been there. But 0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:41.920 you know, like I said, credit the jazz and credit 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:43.960 I thought was a good challenge by Dingler obviously, even 0:19:44.000 --> 0:19:48.760 though it did not succeed real quick Cody, let's let's 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:51.080