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Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome, Welcome to the Bob Left Sets podcast. My

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Speaker 1: guest today, my interviewer today is Canadian legend, not that

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Speaker 1: he hasn't had influence the rest of the world, Jake Gold.

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Speaker 1: He literally built the Tragically Hip, a legendary band who's

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Speaker 1: lead singer Tragically died back in October. He was also

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Speaker 1: a judge on Canadian Idol. Also a huge prog rock

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Speaker 1: fan and involved in other things. Jake, Great to have

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Speaker 1: you here. Great to be here, Bob. I've been listening

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Speaker 1: to a lot of the podcasts and I really like

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Speaker 1: the welcome, Welcome, Welcome. I'm always curious as to why

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Speaker 1: three welcomes. You know, it's a direct rip off from

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Speaker 1: John Oliver. Okay, John, And as I say, this is

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Speaker 1: something I say for those people who read me on

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Speaker 1: a regular basis, I say, what kind of crazy fucked

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Speaker 1: up world is it? Everyone thinks that I made that up. No,

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Speaker 1: and I've even written this that people don't remember. That's

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Speaker 1: Chris Rock. Chris Rock said fifteen years ago famously, what

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Speaker 1: kind of crazy fucked up world do we live in?

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Speaker 1: Where the best golfer is black and the best rapper

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Speaker 1: is white? Meeting Tiger Wood and eminem and and also

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Speaker 1: you write what have we learned? Is that from Stern? No, no, no,

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Speaker 1: what have we learned? It's my original. I don't know

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Speaker 1: where I've gotten that, Stern, take that from you. That's original.

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Speaker 1: Some of these things, like an attention economy. I saw

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Speaker 1: a guy in Bill Maher who used to work for Google,

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Speaker 1: talking about attention economy. I never saw that anywhere else.

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Speaker 1: What have we learned? I've been doing for about twenty years.

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Speaker 1: Usually stopped people in our tracks. I remember I was

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Speaker 1: backstage with Cats Stevens and the manager of Pearl, Jam Kelly,

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Speaker 1: who's also uh Kelly Curtis, Yes, who's also co manager

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Speaker 1: of Cat Stevens that I say, what if we're talking

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Speaker 1: about Cat Stevens. Come back and I go, what have

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Speaker 1: we learned? It looks at it goes, what do you

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Speaker 1: mean learned? Because usually it's not people They give an answer,

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Speaker 1: but not that time. But it's interesting because Stern now

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Speaker 1: all the time, near the end of his interviews, will say,

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Speaker 1: what have we learned? I'm always worried, you know. I'm

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Speaker 1: good with Howard. I hear from his buggety Jimmy Kimmel

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Speaker 1: on a regular basis Jimmy Kimmel, who I've only met

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Speaker 1: an amazing guy. But I'm worried because Robert Plant was

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Speaker 1: on Howard Stern and I talked about plants reluctance to

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Speaker 1: answer in the play along with Howard, and since then,

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Speaker 1: Howard hasn't mentioned me. So I wondered if what if

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Speaker 1: Howard's pissed at me? Well, I think Howard's got thick skin,

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Speaker 1: but he not really. You know, it's interesting because I

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Speaker 1: heard you on the wrap up show a couple of times,

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Speaker 1: and um, you know me, I've been bugging you for

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Speaker 1: a long time. He needs to go on Howard, but

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Speaker 1: you won't do it. Well, it's funny. Uh. I did

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Speaker 1: how Tony Hawks Serious XM show for Faction Talk two

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Speaker 1: days ago. You had Tony here before, and Uh, Tony,

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Speaker 1: I told you I wouldn't want. Jake. I hear you're

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Speaker 1: worth forty million dollars. Yeah, you say so, Jake do

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Speaker 1: you get laid last night? He's not gonna ask you that, Sorry, Bob,

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Speaker 1: he's not gonna ask you that. Well, as I thank

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Speaker 1: you overestimate that. I don't think he's gonna ask you that. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's see if he actually asks me. I I think

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Speaker 1: he's read enough of your stuff. The other side of

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Speaker 1: it is is maybe you're a wrap up show guest.

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Speaker 1: Maybe no disrespect to what you do because you reach

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Speaker 1: so many people. But you look at what he's doing now,

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Speaker 1: and like everybody's famous, there's no like outliers anymore. There's

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Speaker 1: like it used to be, like you'd hear about someone

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Speaker 1: It's all a listers all hawking their wares. How do

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Speaker 1: think that's about Lily Tomlin and Jane Fonda are pretty

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Speaker 1: Leisure section on Sunday, it's just all hype. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Paradigm into a comedy show. We literally had to

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Speaker 1: in depth with you know, first Obama and there's another episode, right,

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Speaker 1: So it's funny that he is not reinventing the paradigm.

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Speaker 1: And he was talking to me about being at presentation

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Speaker 1: just gonna get you more exposure. I manage an accol

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Speaker 1: common deer. See my plug I get my plug in.

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Speaker 1: And and it's hard for us to get on the

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Speaker 1: handle a deal because your manager say I'm coming every weekend,

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna forget the threat. Digression is a spice

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Speaker 1: will even okay. So then the real question is doesn't matter?

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Speaker 1: Why it only matters to okay? Who does it matter to? No?

424
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 1: No, No No, let me let me be very specific. There's

425
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:23,679
Speaker 1: this band called DAWs. I really there's a hit off

426
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 1: the first album, the second album I really love with

427
00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 1: Million Dollar bill its and I became friendly with the

428
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,400
Speaker 1: guys they're in their mid twenties, okay. And older people,

429
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 1: whether it be jen X or baby boomers, have the

430
00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 1: belief that millennials can multitask, can cope with all the information.

431
00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:44,520
Speaker 1: I was talking to the drummer. They can't either. Everybody

432
00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: is overwhelmed with information. So how we make sense of

433
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:53,399
Speaker 1: it is a very interesting question. I believe, like the

434
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: Internet at large, we will go to winners and losers.

435
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:58,960
Speaker 1: Like if you talk about serious. There's a serious station

436
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,960
Speaker 1: called x MU, which is like their college station. And

437
00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:05,040
Speaker 1: when I listened to that, I'll hear good stuff and

438
00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:07,439
Speaker 1: I say, WHOA. Then I say to myself, am I

439
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: the only person in America listening to this? Because it

440
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,760
Speaker 1: doesn't translate, you know, to everywhere except except When I

441
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,879
Speaker 1: was growing up, it was a badge of honor to

442
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 1: be the only person listening. But there was a circle.

443
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:21,359
Speaker 1: It would be like in your own village. And I

444
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 1: watch this TV show broad Church, which is great. Everybody

445
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 1: knows everybody, Okay, So when everybody knows everybody, how you look,

446
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,720
Speaker 1: how you hold yourself where This is one of my

447
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 1: big things. Okay, In the seventies and eighties to hate

448
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 1: the mainstream, to be into your independent alternative bands and

449
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,400
Speaker 1: we're all black was part of the ethos today there's

450
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:43,040
Speaker 1: so much information. Don't waste your time. You don't like it.

451
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 1: Forget if everybody's into their own thing. If you're reacting,

452
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 1: you're forgotten. Yeah, but you know you think about it

453
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,800
Speaker 1: like you say, I'm a prague guy. I love the

454
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:55,119
Speaker 1: progue music. Back then it was outside music, was outsider music,

455
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,399
Speaker 1: and we were stoners and but by the only thing is,

456
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,359
Speaker 1: if you look back, it was only outsider music for

457
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 1: like two years. I don't know about that. Yes, came

458
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: out in the first album in America, Very end of

459
00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:09,760
Speaker 1: sixty nine, and Roundabout was a hit two years later.

460
00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 1: Now all the other bands, Genesis, General, Giant, whatever. The

461
00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:16,399
Speaker 1: interesting thing is, as you get now two years, we

462
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 1: haven't had a new sound of fifteen years. Well, if

463
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,280
Speaker 1: you think about the prod from that era, first of all,

464
00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:23,119
Speaker 1: in Canada they were way bigger than they were in

465
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 1: America earlier. Why do you think that is? We always

466
00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,280
Speaker 1: embraced English bands. I guess it was a Commonwealth thing

467
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,480
Speaker 1: or whatever, but we always embraced like even the alternative

468
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,760
Speaker 1: bands that were big on k rock, they were already

469
00:23:35,760 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 1: big in Canada. By the time they got here, Genesis

470
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: was playing stadiums in Toronto and playing the Greek Theater here,

471
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 1: which is the best of the prog bands for me.

472
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Speaker 1: When Peter Gabriel was in Genesis by a mile and

473
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Speaker 1: we've noticed none of those albums are on streaming services. Well,

474
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,879
Speaker 1: no they are, but the Lamb Lights down on Broadway isn't.

475
00:23:56,880 --> 00:24:00,000
Speaker 1: And I had asked about that because one day I went, come,

476
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,360
Speaker 1: I can't listen to the Lamb Light Sun on Broadway

477
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 1: And I asked the head of Warner and he got

478
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 1: back to me and he said that they don't want

479
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: people to sample that record. I don't mean sample for

480
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,199
Speaker 1: using other pieces. They don't want people to hear that

481
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 1: record in pieces. But the only thing about it is,

482
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: if you have caught the announcement, best Buy is gonna

483
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,719
Speaker 1: stop selling CDs. So where the hell they gonna hear

484
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 1: the album? Exactly? Where are you going to get it?

485
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: On Amazon? You're gonna buy Let's Come Back? Did you

486
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 1: watch the Super Bowl? Yes? Did you see the Steven

487
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: Tyler ad? Yes? What are your thoughts? Was he saying

488
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,159
Speaker 1: dream on because he wishes he was the younger stealing

489
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:41,480
Speaker 1: let people didn't know he's on a race track. He's

490
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,920
Speaker 1: going backwards and he become who he used to be. Right,

491
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: that's like that old joke about country music. What happens

492
00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:50,040
Speaker 1: when you play country music backwards? Your dog comes back,

493
00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 1: your wife comes back. Pick up. So I didn't understand it.

494
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 1: I really didn't understand it, and they don't understand it

495
00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,159
Speaker 1: or not. Back in the heyday of classic rock, it

496
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 1: was anathema to do a commercial endorsement. Now forgetting that.

497
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: Steven Tyler already was on American Idol, which was a

498
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: huge step at this late date in age seventy. Is

499
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 1: it a mistake to do that commercially? I think it

500
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 1: doesn't matter anymore. But exactly when you're Steven Tyler, it

501
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 1: doesn't matter, it does Does it matter for anybody? Does

502
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: it matter for Neil Young? If Neil Young thinks it matters?

503
00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: Different question? Okay, what we've lived long enough to see

504
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,600
Speaker 1: a great percentage of our music be forgotten. Okay, let's

505
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,119
Speaker 1: step back, just one step. Does it matter to me

506
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:34,920
Speaker 1: as a person? Yeah? Does it matter to Stephen that's

507
00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: his business? No, No, let's let's use the definition. Ozzy

508
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: Osbourne was a cult thing, Okay, he was a Black Sabbath.

509
00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: Black Sabbath was a hip hop of its day. There

510
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: people would never listen to that. Then he hooks up

511
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 1: with Randy Rhodes. He becomes an FM rock staple, okay,

512
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 1: and then he puts out an album No More Chairs.

513
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 1: Very successful, but it's a narrow niche relative to the

514
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,200
Speaker 1: world at large in an error prior century. Right, he

515
00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:06,399
Speaker 1: has his show The Osborne's on MTV. He and his

516
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: family literally become household names, cultural icons. His live business

517
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 1: went down, tendance went down, os Fest to everything, everything

518
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: went down. So the question is if you are one

519
00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 1: of these acts, especially something like oz who stood for

520
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: a certain ethos, do you have to worry about this

521
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 1: relationship with your fans? Oh? I think you always have to.

522
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:30,639
Speaker 1: I think. And funny, I was telling this story the

523
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: other day about the hip and I was talking about

524
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 1: how you know I had that band online doing stuff

525
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 1: with the Internet before anybody was, Like, nobody was. They

526
00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 1: wrote about in Time magazine, right wrote about it in

527
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 1: a Newsweek news Newsweek. Because we were the first sell

528
00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: our records directly to our fans. They were CDs, we

529
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: were shipping them, but no one else was doing that

530
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: and the fact the title of the article was, you

531
00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: know the tragically turned their back on the industry. You know,

532
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,439
Speaker 1: I had the band online before anybody. The record companies

533
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 1: didn't have websites. The didn't even understand it. They were

534
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:01,600
Speaker 1: letting me build database with their money because they didn't

535
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:03,960
Speaker 1: understand what what it was to have a database and

536
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: the mailing list and all that kind of stuff. I mean,

537
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: the model for me was the Grateful Dead. It was

538
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: just a different way to access the same thing. Right.

539
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: But I was talking to someone the other day and

540
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 1: they were saying, yeah, I know you used to give

541
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,600
Speaker 1: a ship all the time because you insisted there was

542
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: a promoter. And they said, because you insisted that the

543
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: fans had to have the information before anybody else. And

544
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, because that was our strategy. Our strategy

545
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 1: was always fan first strategy. And that's always been my strategy.

546
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,919
Speaker 1: Fan first, fan first, fan first. And when you have

547
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,680
Speaker 1: a fan first strategy, you have to think about what

548
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: they are going to think, and you have to think

549
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,399
Speaker 1: about what do you stand for, what do you represent?

550
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: And every time you make a decision, the decision in

551
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: my mind was always what's that decision gonna mean? In

552
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: five years. What's that decision gonna mean in ten years?

553
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,879
Speaker 1: And if that decision doesn't fall into your ethos in

554
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: five years and in ten years, then you shouldn't do it,

555
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: regardless of the money. There are a lot of subjects here,

556
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: but the reason I was bringing up Steven Tyler. First

557
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,120
Speaker 1: thing I had to do was look up the car.

558
00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 1: And if you look up the car, the Kia Stinger

559
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: is actually competes with sixties seventy dollar Mercedes, Benz and BMW.

560
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,040
Speaker 1: They say it's a great car. So in this case

561
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 1: and rock stars historically we're attached to cars. They say

562
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: it's a great car. But my question is it age seventy?

563
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: Does it turn? And are you better off a taking

564
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 1: the money and be getting your music exposed because it

565
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: might be forgotten by doing commercial endorsements. Well, the thing

566
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,720
Speaker 1: is it's and he's not getting new music exposed, but

567
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 1: no one can get new music exposed. Let's let's separate

568
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 1: out the issues. It's not like he's using it to

569
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: launch a single. It was dream on. But the point

570
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 1: is the old cliche used to be, oh, Paul McCartney's

571
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: and wings. You know they don't know that he was

572
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 1: in the Beatles, if you go back decades, they're making

573
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:49,920
Speaker 1: new people every day. So are you better off using

574
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 1: the tools that are at your fingertips, which are associated

575
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: with corporations and other enterprises to get your name out there?

576
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: Or should you play to the hardcore fan? In my mind,

577
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: if you have a fan, if you have that kind

578
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: of base, I think you should always play to the fan.

579
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 1: So if you're seventy years old and you have fans,

580
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: and chances are most your fans are fifty or sixty

581
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 1: years old, Okay, does it hurt you if you do

582
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: with a commercial endorsement. I don't. I don't think when

583
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 1: you're seventy and your fans and that old, it hurts you.

584
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: I don't think they care, and they I think their

585
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: past caring about that stuff. They just want to go

586
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 1: to the show and they just want to get a

587
00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: decent ticket. I mean that. So let's go to the

588
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: next point, which is the tickets. I knew we were

589
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: going there, which is why I said it. So you're

590
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,520
Speaker 1: a band, should you charge what the ticket is worth

591
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: or should you charge a price that is fan friendly?

592
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,120
Speaker 1: I think you've got to find the happy media, which

593
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: is what it's tough man, because you like to price

594
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: your tickets to be affordable. It's an interesting thing. And

595
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: I had this argument with uh with at Aspen this year,

596
00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:55,840
Speaker 1: which you were sorely missed, but they were talking about

597
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: how that's the conferences a touring conference, and asked for

598
00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: the beginning of December Aspen Live. When that's where you

599
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: and I met. That's how long it was twenty two

600
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 1: years ago, bonding over Genesis so exactly, yeah, over dinner.

601
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: So when you think about it, there's some laws now

602
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: where Jared from Ticketmaster was there and he said, in

603
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: some markets you have to put the total price when

604
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: you post the ticchen on this, including fee. They can't

605
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: be add ons that driving people crazy. They see you know, uh,

606
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: you know, ninety nine dollars by the time they check out,

607
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: it's one fifty. Right, you can't do that anymore. But

608
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: what he didn't understand is is the acts don't want

609
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 1: to be seen as charging one of course, right. They

610
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: want to be able to say to the fan, the

611
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: only thing we're getting is the nine nine and we're

612
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: not even getting all of that. All that other stuff

613
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:46,719
Speaker 1: needs to be itemized, So you know that there's this

614
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 1: tax there's this ticket fee. There's this fee. Remember at

615
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: first they used to have a printing fee, which always

616
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 1: completely fucking freaked me out. It was like, wait a second,

617
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,719
Speaker 1: why am I being charged to print my own ticket?

618
00:30:58,840 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 1: Like wait, I have to buy the printer and the

619
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 1: paper and the ink and everything else, and they're charging

620
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: me for that. That they got rid of. That's gone.

621
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: So the act never wanted to have an all in

622
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: price because they want to make sure people know what

623
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 1: they're charging. And I remember I used to have to

624
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: deal with that with the stop for a second. For

625
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: those who are unsure a knowledgeable of the history of touring,

626
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: a roll up. The company is presently called Live Nation.

627
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 1: There used to be a lot of independent promoters because

628
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: of competition in the business. Assuming you are a successful

629
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 1: hustlehold name act, almost all of the money goes to

630
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: the act and the only profit to the promoter is

631
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: in those extras. So it's a little bit of a subterfuge.

632
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 1: Ticket Master, you're talking. They're taking the heat for the act.

633
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: The act is saying, hey, it's only nine dollars. But

634
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: if it really were only ninety nine dollars, the show

635
00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 1: couldn't even happen. Well, there's that side of it, but

636
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,719
Speaker 1: that that's assuming it's a big, big act and and

637
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: and and the big promoters are doing the whole tour.

638
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 1: But when you're going into one market like you know,

639
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: for instance, if I have a young band like the

640
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: bands I work with right now, and I go into

641
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,959
Speaker 1: a market and play a four hundred c club and

642
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: I want to charge fifteen dollars for the ticket, and

643
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: I want to I can't put the tickets and price

644
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: them accordingly on Ticketmaster because the fans will go I'll

645
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,080
Speaker 1: just wait to buy it the day of. So it's

646
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: harder to sell out when by the time you had

647
00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 1: your fees, and the fees are fifty percent of the

648
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 1: ticket price. You know, that's an issue of leverage. Just

649
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: so you're saying, are you saying if you go to

650
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: the door, you don't have to pay the fees because

651
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: you can't. You know, I haven't priced it totally, but

652
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 1: I've seen it, like so a lot of us are

653
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: using these sort of secondary ticketing. Was charged to fifty

654
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: a ticket on a fifteen dollar ticket, so you you

655
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,440
Speaker 1: price your tickets as fifteen in advanced seventeen fifty at

656
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 1: the door, so you're not being penalized for buying in advance.

657
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: So when they check out, they see it's a seventeen

658
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,840
Speaker 1: fifty ticket, which is the same as the door price.

659
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: But the incentive to get it early is for the

660
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,719
Speaker 1: fact that there may not be any left. Right. But

661
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: but the other thing about it is there was a

662
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 1: while there where the ticketing fees were so high. You know,

663
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 1: I have that with with merch. The cost to ship

664
00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: vinyl from our website is so expensive that a lot

665
00:33:12,440 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: of people just rather go to the show and buy

666
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: it from us at the show because we can't. Because

667
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 1: just want to say, of course, if you travel with

668
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: your own merch, here's an issue of having enough product,

669
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: paying shipping whatever. How about those economics you know at

670
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: our level, when it's a baby band, you know, you

671
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: put everything in a box and uh and you put

672
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: in the van. It's just another going back. It's always

673
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 1: an issue of leverage. Certainly, club business is historically bad business,

674
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: so they screw the developing act. But as you gain

675
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: notoriety and fandom, the leverage switches over to the octave stif.

676
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:51,360
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call it screwing because the problem is is

677
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: it's the same service. It's like I always used to say,

678
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:58,800
Speaker 1: you know, it costs the same amount of money to

679
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: buy an AD in the new usepaper. If it's the

680
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: same size ad that says the Whiskey a Go Go

681
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: and the l a Colosseum, the ad costs the exact

682
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: same right, So the margins are just way better when

683
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: you're playing. Okay, So I'm saying, so the service that

684
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: Ticketmasters providing is the same service, I understand completely, but

685
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,480
Speaker 1: I have a better one than that. You have a

686
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: recording deal, okay, and they recoup recording costs, recording costs

687
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: or recording costs or recording costs. If it costs the

688
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:36,760
Speaker 1: Superstar Band two and fifty grand or costs two grand,

689
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: it's the same two grand, but you're recouping at your

690
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:44,239
Speaker 1: royalty rate, such as the Superstar Band will be in

691
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 1: profits much earlier than the developing act on the hope

692
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:52,160
Speaker 1: that they actually sell. Well, let's just they are. I've

693
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,480
Speaker 1: always thought, you know, costs should be recouped at a

694
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: standard rate. It's the same thing, but on the other

695
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,879
Speaker 1: side of it, having had a very successful act, it's

696
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,560
Speaker 1: hold a lot of records. You keep reinvesting, so you

697
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: want to make more videos. So we used to make

698
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: four videos off every album. Nowadays, you know you're lucky

699
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,879
Speaker 1: if you get one or two if you're if you're

700
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:11,839
Speaker 1: brand new man, you're lucky if you get one. By

701
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: the same token, you can buy a Hero five camera.

702
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: You can shoot hide deaf on your iPhone. You couldn't

703
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: do that before. I mean, this is another thing that

704
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: people complain about. They complained, oh, you know, they took

705
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: all the money out of the music business. Well, first

706
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: and foremost most you wouldn't have been in the music

707
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,799
Speaker 1: business because you couldn't afford to record on your lap

708
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: which you can now do on your laptop. You can

709
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: spam everybody on social media so you can get the

710
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: word out. So people wanted on both sides. I don't

711
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:36,959
Speaker 1: want to sound like an old guy, but I'm gonna

712
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,440
Speaker 1: sound like an old guy for a second here. I've

713
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 1: been saying this for a long time. Is the barrier

714
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: of entry. Back to what we talked about at the beginning,

715
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 1: when record companies would go see bands, they would make

716
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 1: sure like Jason and his podcast was talking about seeing

717
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 1: bands that didn't have record deals, that we're playing the

718
00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:00,800
Speaker 1: two thousand people. So there was a area of entry

719
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,400
Speaker 1: that you actually have done something. You had to have

720
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 1: to have done something on your own, build a following,

721
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 1: and then the record company would invest a significant amount

722
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: of money in you. I'm not sure that that is

723
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,359
Speaker 1: radically different. The point that what's different now is they

724
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 1: want to see you having Nowadays, they'll make a single

725
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: with you, and then and then, and they'll be I

726
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: would explain this totally differently. I remember there was an act.

727
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 1: I had a friend who I used to work in

728
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: the movie business with, and he said, oh, he has

729
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,720
Speaker 1: these friends. They were in certain bands whatever. They're looking

730
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 1: for a manager. A and M wants to sign them.

731
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: You know, you live in Los Angeles long enough and

732
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:41,080
Speaker 1: you're very jaded. So I went to these guys apartment

733
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: and they played me a song. They played me three songs.

734
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 1: First song was called Welcome to the Boomtown. This is

735
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,320
Speaker 1: an act called David and David had never played live,

736
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: and A and R guy at A and M liked it.

737
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 1: They signed it, they made the record, and it went gold.

738
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: That's what doesn't exist anymore, though, is trolling for acts

739
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: that have not built it themselves. Today, they want you

740
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 1: to build it themselves before they double down, right, or

741
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,879
Speaker 1: they'll give you a singles deal or a three song deal,

742
00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 1: and they won't give anybody a deal who hasn't doesn't

743
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: come with their own audience, right. But I've seen it

744
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 1: with young pop stars. They'll develop them, they'll find writers.

745
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 1: I don't know, but there's always something starting it. Yeah,

746
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen it and Justin Justin Bieber had

747
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: YouTube views. Katie Perry already had a deal with Sony Music.

748
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: No one was built from ground zero that they're building

749
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: the following differently. But the differences is now they can

750
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:42,880
Speaker 1: go and and make those records a lot cheaper iron

751
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:45,240
Speaker 1: and a lot of them are picking up existing records.

752
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: But it costs so much to rise above the clutter,

753
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: and there's so few shots. That's what people don't understand.

754
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 1: They say, Okay, why doesn't the major label sign me?

755
00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: This is a math situation. They only get certain opportunities

756
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: that are such an investment. They want guaranteed success. Now,

757
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 1: this killed pop. If you've been following pop for the

758
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: last twelve months, Katie Perry stiffed, Kelly Clarkson stiffed Gaga.

759
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 1: Stiff Gaga is a little bit different, but she did Stiff, Taylor, Swift, stiff,

760
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: everybody who tried to massage with the usual suspects trying

761
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: to make us. By the way, I'll take any four

762
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 1: of those stiffs. You're talking relative terms stiffs. Let's be

763
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: very very clear. We let's break it down. It is

764
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: relative relative to their previously. You know, none of them

765
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: had significant radio success, but they're all doing continued live

766
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: business that we would all like to commission. If you

767
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,400
Speaker 1: go back to the old days when it was reversed,

768
00:38:42,400 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: when the money was in the record, you'd be freaking out. Well,

769
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: here's the thing is I argue that point because I

770
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: don't think the money was ever in the record unless

771
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: you sold millions and millions and millions. That's why so

772
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: many of the classic rock acts are mortgage brokers or attorneys,

773
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,760
Speaker 1: et cetera. We used to we used to coop against

774
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 1: our records that we get rich off our records. No,

775
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 1: but of our money was always from touring emerge. Who

776
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 1: made most of the money then was the record companies.

777
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,680
Speaker 1: That's what's come out of the business. That's what Will

778
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:14,360
Speaker 1: and I were talking about. What we don't get anymore.

779
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: And this is the most important part is we can

780
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: get the we can make a record inexpensively, we can

781
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 1: go on the road and play. But we don't get

782
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: is we don't get the marketing dollars they used to

783
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 1: put behind records that will enable us to reach more

784
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: people just with the marketing dollars. That's ass. We gave

785
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: you those marketing dollars today, where would you want to

786
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: spend them? I would be spending them on YouTube, I'd

787
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,399
Speaker 1: be spending them on on m I'd be spending them

788
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 1: on building a mailing list, and I'd be spending them

789
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 1: on on Facebook all ads like I would be buying

790
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: and targeting. You would buy ads on YouTube. I'd be

791
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,479
Speaker 1: targeting and and and it wouldn't necessarily be I would

792
00:39:52,520 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: be targeting YouTube. Back to watching our videos, I'd be

793
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:58,879
Speaker 1: I would put a lot of money into making sure

794
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 1: that we were creating a lot different kinds of content

795
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: that wasn't just music that could reach people. And I

796
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 1: would build a mailing list. But but those kind of

797
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: marketing dollars don't like, you can't even get posters. What

798
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: are you gonna do with posters? Because people still look

799
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: at posters. I'm talking about for your shows. This is

800
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 1: what I'm talking about you know, when you would go

801
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 1: on tour and you were a band, the record company

802
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: would put up posters like you'd get posters up in

803
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 1: the market that would have your your data in the

804
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 1: market with the mini and the record. That doesn't exist anymore,

805
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:27,879
Speaker 1: But was it just a stroke for those who didn't

806
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: live in Los Angeles. In the seventies, Sunset Boulevard from

807
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:35,680
Speaker 1: La Suianaga to Beverly Hills was plastered with billboards for records.

808
00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:37,920
Speaker 1: Everyone agrees didn't sell any records. It was just an

809
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: ego thing. When you're touring and you're going into markets,

810
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: look at posts. That was then, right? Does that matter today? Oh?

811
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: You still need you still need boots on the ground

812
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: because especially when you're turning out because you're again you're

813
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: not getting through the clutter with with the clarifying. But

814
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 1: did you get through via virtual or physical? You're better

815
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,920
Speaker 1: off spending those dollars or that effort online as opposed

816
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: to going out and putting the poster. I think you

817
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 1: gotta do both. I think you know, there's that theory

818
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 1: that someone's got to hear it three times from three

819
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 1: different mediums. I think it's true that has to happen

820
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: I think you have to be able to you know,

821
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: if you're playing a bunch of clubs, those clubs have

822
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 1: to have posters up in the clubs because you want

823
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 1: to reach other people going to the club that seems

824
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: want to advertise, whether or in the club. But in

825
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: terms of snipe, but you used to be able to

826
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,720
Speaker 1: get money. Even if you were able to get money,

827
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,400
Speaker 1: I don't think that money is efficiently spent. There are

828
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: a lot of things. Someone will email me about a record, Okay,

829
00:41:38,360 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: can I send you the c D? I said, no,

830
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: can I You know, if you send me a c D,

831
00:41:44,080 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: it makes you feel good. But like both of my

832
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: main computers now, they don't have a CD drive. I

833
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,799
Speaker 1: don't own a CD. You know, as I say, But

834
00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:54,799
Speaker 1: they want to send you something physical because it makes

835
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,400
Speaker 1: them feel good. But it's inefficient in terms of marketing.

836
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: But that has nothing to do with stuff I think.

837
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,000
Speaker 1: I think at this point in time, Okay, it's like

838
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: the movie business. Okay, Oscar season is upon us. Okay,

839
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 1: I've seen essentially none of the movies, not because I'm

840
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 1: an anti movie, but I'm not getting you know, we're

841
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: living an on demand culture. I don't want to plan

842
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:17,399
Speaker 1: my whole day to go to a movie. I don't

843
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: know what a mood I'm gonna be whatever. The distribution

844
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,279
Speaker 1: is killing it. It's about being in the home where

845
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,040
Speaker 1: people have. Maybe you should take your girl out to

846
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: a movie one night. I would rather spend my money elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: At least if you make reservation at a restaurant, it'll

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Speaker 1: be here at the same time. I enjoy the movie.

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Speaker 1: I enjoy the popcorn in the movie. I actually enjoy

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Speaker 1: the experience, and I think people do. My point is different.

851
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:41,839
Speaker 1: My point is a lot of what we used to

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00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: do no longer applies. It's no longer effective. An example

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00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: is name one act who was on late night TV

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Speaker 1: this week. That's my point. People are still fighting to

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Speaker 1: be on these varying shows. If you get a video

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Speaker 1: out that you can put on YouTube, whatever, more power

857
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Speaker 1: to you. Know, nothing moves thee doesn't move the needle. No,

858
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Speaker 1: it's if you're if you're looking for marketing dollars, and

859
00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: believe me, they're looking for them. Let me fly the band,

860
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:08,719
Speaker 1: let me get here and make up, go to New York,

861
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 1: Relly to be on the show. I'd say save the money.

862
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: The money is much better spent elsewhere. Well, it also

863
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: depends on your audience. You know, Facebook just came out

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Speaker 1: with their numbers and time spent on the on the

865
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Speaker 1: platform is down, but money's up for them, right well,

866
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,920
Speaker 1: because to reach anybody, you gotta pay it. But what

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Speaker 1: they didn't give us was demos and it's aging. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: But let's not forget that Facebook going Instagram, which is

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Speaker 1: the big KNA right becoming. Yeah, but interestingly enough, like

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Speaker 1: I work with the children's act called Splashing Boots, here's

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Speaker 1: another plok at one left. Yeah, that's that's as far

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Speaker 1: as that does. Um, I'm not sure their audience is listening,

873
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: but it's O no, no, But you'd be surprised because

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Speaker 1: I know one thing for sure. Grandparents spend more on

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00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,799
Speaker 1: grandchildren than parents do. Is that a statistically. That is

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Speaker 1: a statistic, and we see it at the shows. It's

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Speaker 1: the touring children's So the key is to reach the

878
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Speaker 1: grandparents and face. Facebook is a place to meet reach them.

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Speaker 1: This is what I'm trying to say. And so some

880
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Speaker 1: of your audience maybe grandparents, I'm sure they are. So

881
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Speaker 1: then don't discount the fact that I'm not talking to

882
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Speaker 1: your audience, because the group's audience is one and a

883
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Speaker 1: half to six. Okay, but you were making a bigger point.

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Speaker 1: My point is is Facebook's not releasing their demos because

885
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Speaker 1: they don't want anyone to know the audience is aging.

886
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm trying to get the demos. When those figures

887
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 1: came out, I went to all my friends who were

888
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: in media and everything else, I said, where are the demos?

889
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 1: Can you get me demos? And none of my friends

890
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 1: could get me demos. They could not get the demos

891
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: from that new stats that they just put it. I

892
00:44:44,520 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 1: don't trust anything they say anyway, because they're those not following.

893
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: They've been criticized for missing the fact that their platform

894
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 1: was invaded by foreign interests i e. Russia and theoretically

895
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 1: I believe affected the US election in they finally admit

896
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Speaker 1: after about nine months and now they say they're focusing

897
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,280
Speaker 1: on the individual to the detriment of news. They only

898
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Speaker 1: pray to one thing, which is the almighty dollar. I

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Speaker 1: stock they're gonna change whatever it is to make it

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Speaker 1: work for them, So whenever they whip sauce, I just

901
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: don't believe it. Well, YouTube, their algorithm was serving up

902
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,919
Speaker 1: erroneous stories about Hillary Clinton in the markets those three

903
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Speaker 1: markets where she lost, where she lost in the three

904
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Speaker 1: states where she lost by eighty thousand votes, and she

905
00:45:30,520 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 1: never went to those states, so she never actually got

906
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 1: a chance to refute what was being served up to

907
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:43,000
Speaker 1: these people. Hi, everyone, this is Bob left Sets. If

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00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: you stumbled upon this podcast on iTunes or tune in,

909
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 1: you may be wondering who is this guy. Well, my

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00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:51,359
Speaker 1: story of the story of my blog, The left Sets

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Speaker 1: If you like what you hear, subscribe to the podcast

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Speaker 1: today and you'll hear my interviews with songwriters, reformers, music

914
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Speaker 1: industry and tech executives. First. Also, I'm open to feedback.

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Speaker 1: What do you like? What do you hey? Emailed me

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00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: at Bob and left sets dot com and now more

917
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: with Jake Gold Let's go to somewhere you know some

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Speaker 1: of the more general topics today's music visa VI the

919
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 1: old music as good as the old music? Some of

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Speaker 1: it is you know, I was never I did. I

921
00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: didn't grow up as a hip hop fan on the

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00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: name name Two acts you think today are as good

923
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,160
Speaker 1: as the acts of your I think Drake is That's

924
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 1: It's Canadian started off on a on a high school show.

925
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Speaker 1: The GROSSI who cares anybody tweets me nothing bad to

926
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Speaker 1: say about guys doing great stuff and he's he's almost heflon. Okay,

927
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Speaker 1: why do all the great acts come from Canada? We

928
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Speaker 1: have a great system for developing acts and allowing because

929
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: we we support the arts, will be a little more

930
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 1: specifically support the arts, and we support the arts through funding.

931
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Speaker 1: We we have UM we support the arts who tax credits,

932
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Speaker 1: we support the arts through UM access. We we live

933
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,359
Speaker 1: beside the greatest exporter of culture in the world, and

934
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 1: we need to make sure that we have a voice.

935
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Speaker 1: So our government believes in supporting it. And that's not

936
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: just federally, it's it's provincially, which for those who don't know,

937
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: that means like states. Now, I'm not saying every artist

938
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Speaker 1: that's come out of Canada that's been successful has had

939
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: that support, but it's a culture that supports. You know,

940
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Speaker 1: Drake's TV show probably wouldn't have got made when he

941
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:34,359
Speaker 1: was on TV if he hadn't if there hadn't been

942
00:47:34,400 --> 00:47:37,640
Speaker 1: support for the arts, because those TV shows and all

943
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 1: of those things Degrassi we're getting made with tax credits

944
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,839
Speaker 1: and all kinds of you know, grants and loans and participation,

945
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: that's how it was made. I mean, we we we

946
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: we are behind in in the movie business. There hasn't

947
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Speaker 1: been a lot of big Canadian movies outside of maybe

948
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Speaker 1: uh David Cronenberg, who's We've had some big Canadian directors

949
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: who are l a base now. You know Paul Hagas

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00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: and um Um what's his name who did The Titanic

951
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,839
Speaker 1: and uh cameraon ca. Yeah. Yeah, Well listen, people don't

952
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 1: know Neil Young's Canadian anything, right, A lot of a

953
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: lot of the Canadians have moved to the US. We're

954
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: we're gradually taking over its stealth. It's like, you know

955
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 1: who who just bought the l A Times from South Africa?

956
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: Japanese doctor Nobody's originally from South Africa, Africa. That's he's

957
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:32,120
Speaker 1: Asian inheritage, but he wasn't born in Asia, right, you know,

958
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Speaker 1: I think there's a stealth thing going on. It's like

959
00:48:34,440 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 1: the Intercontinental Hotel in downtown l A where the conference

960
00:48:38,560 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: was of the Pulstar conference was owned by Korean Airlines? Okay,

961
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: is the world at large taking over America just Canadians?

962
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: I think the world at large is, But it's all

963
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 1: being done stealth like no one. Okay, so play this

964
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 1: out what ultimately happens. Well, you're asking me to be

965
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,320
Speaker 1: a soothsayer. I so you think that while we're sleeping,

966
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 1: we're watching our Netflix, our country is being taken over

967
00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 1: by foreign interests. Hey, listen. One of the greatest shows

968
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: on Netflix that I've been watching lately is a show

969
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: called Dark and it's from Germany, right, right, So there's

970
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 1: the culture is coming in. So you know, we were

971
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 1: talking before we started this about this place I was

972
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 1: at earlier today before I came here, that does all

973
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Speaker 1: the dubbing and subtitle and subtitling and dubbing too, and

974
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:26,319
Speaker 1: they were saying that the demand for dubbing is so

975
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 1: big now because the over the top platforms, the Hulus,

976
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Speaker 1: the Amazons and Netflix are buying programming from all over

977
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Speaker 1: the world. And they said, in the urban centers subtitles okay,

978
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: But in the non urban centers in the middle of

979
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 1: Iowa and then let's call him the Red States for

980
00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: lack of a better term, subtitling is not okay. You

981
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: gotta dub it. Really. Yeah, that's fascinating. There was a

982
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,360
Speaker 1: David Brooks editorial or opinion piece last week of the

983
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: New York Times. And he's a right wing guy for

984
00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: those people don't know, certainly not a Trump fan. And

985
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: he was saying that, you know, mimigrants come to the cities.

986
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Speaker 1: Everything's thriving in the cities now and what they're fighting

987
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 1: for in the hinderlands. They're being left behind because of

988
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: all the progress in the cities, right, which is what

989
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 1: you know. Your current president's whole m O was right

990
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: was I'm not going to leave you behind. Everyone else

991
00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: has left. Okay, since we're on this topic for since

992
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Speaker 1: you're from Canada, I was here about I remember I

993
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,720
Speaker 1: was born in New Jersey. But I'm asking a specific

994
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,120
Speaker 1: question in terms of your residency in Canada. What is

995
00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: the bottom line with the Canadian healthcare service? Anything you

996
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: read that says it's negative or it's bad is bullshit.

997
00:50:38,920 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 1: It's it's it's based on need. Let's start from the begining.

998
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,440
Speaker 1: Like I've had I've had both my knees operated on, right, Okay,

999
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,319
Speaker 1: it wasn't death. So when my when there was an

1000
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,600
Speaker 1: appointment and it was like in other words, I couldn't

1001
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Speaker 1: say I want my knees operated on tomorrow. Right, we're here.

1002
00:50:56,520 --> 00:50:58,840
Speaker 1: I guess you could pay and get it done right away.

1003
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Speaker 1: And I'm not a pro athletes, so there was no

1004
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Speaker 1: reason to do it right away. So it was like,

1005
00:51:03,480 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: you know, in August, I meet with the surgeon and

1006
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Speaker 1: he says, Okay, you're gonna get your knees operated on

1007
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 1: in October and that's when it happened. And I didn't

1008
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 1: pay a dime. Okay, let's start for the beginning, totally transparent. Essentially,

1009
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: you're paying no money for healthcare other than your taxes.

1010
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: Correct him, undo, and you get a card. Yes. Let's

1011
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 1: assume you wake up one day and you say, I

1012
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,799
Speaker 1: don't feel that well and you go to the emergency room.

1013
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:34,800
Speaker 1: Is there a charge? No, zero zero. Let's just assume

1014
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:37,520
Speaker 1: you want to do that. You go to the emergency room.

1015
00:51:37,560 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: Is it readily accessible, and how long do you have

1016
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: to wait? Depending on the day and time and where

1017
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,319
Speaker 1: you go, it could take a long time. You could

1018
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,359
Speaker 1: be there a long time. Well, the same in America, right,

1019
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,399
Speaker 1: you could be if it's emergency, you could be there

1020
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 1: a long time. Like that's the dread, I gotta go

1021
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: to the emergency. But that's the same thing in America.

1022
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: Believe me. And then do you ever have an issue

1023
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 1: where you have a health problem and the doctor says no,

1024
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 1: I don't believe you need treatment, and you want treatment.

1025
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: I haven't had that issue. But remember the doctors are

1026
00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:11,160
Speaker 1: still independent, so the more they see you, the more

1027
00:52:11,200 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 1: they can build back the system. It's how does that

1028
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 1: work economically? Well, it's no different than building the insurance

1029
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:21,000
Speaker 1: company syce, the insurance work in America goes to insurance

1030
00:52:21,040 --> 00:52:23,799
Speaker 1: company overhead and profit. Listen, I think the health care

1031
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 1: systems aren't perfect, so I don't know the economics of

1032
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,960
Speaker 1: I can't tell you the economics on our health care system.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you how that the doctor gets paid

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Speaker 1: when he builds Like a lot of doctors, for instance,

1035
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: will not give you results over the phone in Canada,

1036
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: you have to go in and see them. But I

1037
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Speaker 1: have a doctor that deals with people in our industry

1038
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 1: and knows that they travel all the time and stuff

1039
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Speaker 1: like that. So he's allowed to charge a premium, and

1040
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Speaker 1: he charges a couple hundred dollars a year, And the

1041
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: couple hundred dollars a year allows you to get a

1042
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: prescription called in without him coming in to see you.

1043
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 1: Allows you to him to call you and give you

1044
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:06,280
Speaker 1: your test results over the phone. If you had blood

1045
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: tests on and all that other stuff, and you pay

1046
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:12,480
Speaker 1: that yourself, that's your choice. We also have Medican, which

1047
00:53:12,520 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: is like a place where you pay fifteen hundred dollars

1048
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 1: a year and they do like full on body scans

1049
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 1: and they're they're the level of your yearly check up

1050
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 1: is you know, let's just say it would be better

1051
00:53:25,239 --> 00:53:27,160
Speaker 1: than normally what a doctor would be. Okay, if I

1052
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: didn't pay the fife, I can still get a check up. No,

1053
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Speaker 1: you get your check up, but what they do is

1054
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Speaker 1: take it to the end degree. Okay. So they're partly

1055
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:38,080
Speaker 1: subsidized and you're paying the extra for all the rest

1056
00:53:38,080 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: of it. Anybody can pay if you want to go

1057
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: to Medican. Okay, So let's say your home and and again,

1058
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,520
Speaker 1: and guess where their offices are right in the heart

1059
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 1: of our equivalent in Toronto of Wall Street, Bay Street.

1060
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:51,319
Speaker 1: So it's like you know, it's it's definitely there. There

1061
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: is a foe two tiered system. In other words, if

1062
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: you want to pay, there are ways to pay that

1063
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: will get you better treatment. The key is it's no

1064
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: one's going bankrupt, No one's gonna die broke because they

1065
00:54:04,600 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 1: got sick. That's the most important thing. As an example,

1066
00:54:09,480 --> 00:54:13,680
Speaker 1: I had a friend he passed away. He was an American,

1067
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:17,799
Speaker 1: got a job working in Canada in the business. Been

1068
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,239
Speaker 1: in Canada for ten years. Uh, you know, once you're

1069
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 1: there for for three months, you get the card. Three months,

1070
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,840
Speaker 1: three months, you get the card. If I have to

1071
00:54:26,840 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: have pledge fealty, do I have to landed immigrant? Three months,

1072
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: there's your card. He got cancer. He got lung cancer.

1073
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,400
Speaker 1: It wasn't a smoker, but got lung cancer, one of

1074
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 1: those things. Diagnosed it was bad, you know, stage four.

1075
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: His parents living live in the States, they thought, well,

1076
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 1: we're gonna take him to Sloan Cantering in New York,

1077
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,680
Speaker 1: gonna take him to the best cancer hospital. And he

1078
00:54:47,719 --> 00:54:51,120
Speaker 1: was being treated out of hospital in Toronto called Princess

1079
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: Margaret Hospital, which has the reputation of maybe being in

1080
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,160
Speaker 1: the top five in the world. And his doctor was

1081
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,719
Speaker 1: a woman doctor, and uh, it's took him to New

1082
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: York and they went to slunk Henery and they looked,

1083
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,200
Speaker 1: they did all the tests and they said, look, everything

1084
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,560
Speaker 1: they're saying is what it is. Who's your doctor? He

1085
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,920
Speaker 1: says it's this woman, and they said, well, what are

1086
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,160
Speaker 1: you doing here? You have the best doctor for what

1087
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 1: you have in the world. The best doctor is where

1088
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 1: you are. And it cost him anything. If that had

1089
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,440
Speaker 1: been in the US, his parents probably had to mortgage

1090
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,959
Speaker 1: their house and everything just and he unfortunately passed away

1091
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,200
Speaker 1: two years later, but just just for the chance on

1092
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:30,600
Speaker 1: the hope that he would have lived kind of costs.

1093
00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 1: So I think that that you have to you have

1094
00:55:35,120 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: to look at it as as you know, are people dying,

1095
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:44,120
Speaker 1: Are people um going bankrupt because they're sick. That should

1096
00:55:44,120 --> 00:55:47,919
Speaker 1: never happen, and that's our culture and even our conservative

1097
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: politicians will never touch that. They will never touch that.

1098
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:54,919
Speaker 1: That is like, that's off the table. Well, since we're

1099
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: this deep, you now have a liberal prime Minister Trudeau.

1100
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:01,800
Speaker 1: How's that working out. I think there's a lot of Uh,

1101
00:56:01,840 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who who probably don't think

1102
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:09,200
Speaker 1: he's doing an amazing job. I think he's great. My

1103
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: life hasn't changed that much in some way, it's changed

1104
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: for the better. In the arts world, there was there

1105
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: was a while there where they were cutting back on

1106
00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: our CBC, which is our you know, the equivalent of PBS.

1107
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 1: But it's publicly funded, meaning through the government. Um, like

1108
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 1: the BBC in the UK, there was a chance that

1109
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: some of the funding to the arts was gonna was

1110
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: to uh, you know, music and film and TV was

1111
00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,360
Speaker 1: maybe going to get cut back with the previous government.

1112
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: He came in and refunded everything. That's great, So let's go.

1113
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,439
Speaker 1: Let's assume you come home, you come home from work,

1114
00:56:41,560 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: or you work out, your house made, it's six o'clock.

1115
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:45,759
Speaker 1: You're not gonna work anymore. You turn on music, or

1116
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:49,600
Speaker 1: you turn on television TV. What do you watch? Um,

1117
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:55,400
Speaker 1: I watched the best reality show on television that is CNN.

1118
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: So what is the Canadian viewpoint about what's going on here?

1119
00:57:00,560 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: We shake our heads a lot. We definitely shake our

1120
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 1: heads a lot. I used to have it on during

1121
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: the day because it was on all that it was

1122
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: in my office, I had it on. I can't have

1123
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:12,320
Speaker 1: it on anymore. It's just, um, even that it's getting

1124
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: to me to the point of I can't believe this

1125
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:17,640
Speaker 1: is like, what what's going on here? It's like, so

1126
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 1: I I put music on, I'll watch uh. I record

1127
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,680
Speaker 1: a lot of shows instead of going to the on

1128
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: demand part of the HBO or any of those, I'll

1129
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:28,120
Speaker 1: record them and then when I come home, I'll watch

1130
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 1: them sometimes early in the morning. Like if I don't

1131
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:32,200
Speaker 1: watch The Daily Show at night, I'll watch it first

1132
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 1: thing in the morning. Um, it's a couple of TV shows.

1133
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,520
Speaker 1: I like Netflix. I go to Netflix a lot, but

1134
00:57:37,520 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 1: I'll watch it on Netflix. I just finished watching Dark,

1135
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: which is a really good I've only watched the first episode.

1136
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: That's like a German Stranger Things. So is it worth it? Yeah,

1137
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:49,040
Speaker 1: it's great. It all sort of comes to fruition, but

1138
00:57:49,120 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: it leaves it open for of course, which is you know,

1139
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: it's it's always good and it's always bad. Um, I'm

1140
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 1: always looking for new stuff. So you recommend anything though

1141
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: that you see. I like Black Mirror. Black Mirror is good.

1142
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 1: You can start at any any point in the series.

1143
00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 1: You can watch season for you. It's it's the modern

1144
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,640
Speaker 1: twilight Zone for those of us those people never saw

1145
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: that Twilight Zone. That's what it is, right, it's you know,

1146
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:19,120
Speaker 1: although there's this whole sort of take on social media. Um,

1147
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 1: I'm digging that. What are you watching. I'm just finishing

1148
00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:24,880
Speaker 1: the third season Abroad Church, which is phenomenal. I gotta

1149
00:58:24,920 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 1: start that. I think I watched this episode and don't

1150
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,400
Speaker 1: remember if I did. Okay, I mean, where does it

1151
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: take place? Uh, Ireland, didn't know, and it's coastal UK

1152
00:58:34,520 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: Coast London, England first and foremost used to be in

1153
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 1: the seventies, all good movies had subtitles. Those were the

1154
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:45,560
Speaker 1: best movies. But when you have English shows, it is

1155
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:50,000
Speaker 1: not based on the person being good looking so or

1156
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: European shows. It's about the quality of the acting, which

1157
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 1: is so much higher. Even Meryl Streep, who I'm not

1158
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 1: the hugest fan of it's very hard to watch the show,

1159
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 1: would say I'm not watching Meryl Streep, Whereas you watch

1160
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 1: these English TV shows and they blend into the character

1161
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:10,120
Speaker 1: and it seems much more realistic. They're much more regular people.

1162
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:12,840
Speaker 1: I really love that. I mean, okay, so I'm gonna,

1163
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna give you a theory on it. Okay,

1164
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:19,120
Speaker 1: you don't know these people, some of them do. Some

1165
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: of them you do only because you've seen them as

1166
00:59:20,840 --> 00:59:24,439
Speaker 1: actors and other things. Okay, So it used to be

1167
00:59:24,600 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 1: let's we'll talk about selling out right. It used to

1168
00:59:27,960 --> 00:59:31,240
Speaker 1: be al Pacino. You never saw him on a talk show.

1169
00:59:32,040 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: Robert de Niro. You never saw him on a talk.

1170
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:36,400
Speaker 1: There were certain people wouldn't do it, but they wouldn't.

1171
00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 1: Now they all do it. De Niro. The theory was

1172
00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,840
Speaker 1: they used to be the only way you saw them

1173
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: was in character, so you only knew them as those characters.

1174
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: You never got a chance to know them as people.

1175
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 1: It's harder for someone to be believable if you know them.

1176
00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 1: I think that maybe true. But a lot of these

1177
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,960
Speaker 1: American movie starts are just shitty actors. Yeah, I think,

1178
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:02,120
Speaker 1: I think. I think that some of that is true.

1179
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: Let's let's let's bring this over to music. Some of

1180
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,800
Speaker 1: that is true too. To what degree music a manager

1181
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 1: would create an image and create mystery. You can't even

1182
01:00:11,080 --> 01:00:13,680
Speaker 1: do that anymore, no, I mean there's the I always

1183
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 1: used to say, don't pull the curtain back from the Wizard,

1184
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: you know, And then I had other friends that would say, well,

1185
01:00:18,560 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 1: it's either mystique or mistake. That's a good one. I

1186
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:25,200
Speaker 1: never heard that for them. So, but in today's marketplace,

1187
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,680
Speaker 1: how do you address that? I think each act is different.

1188
01:00:27,720 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: I've never really worked in the pop world, so I

1189
01:00:29,960 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: don't really I'm not that guy that kind of like, oh,

1190
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make you a star, you know, and find

1191
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 1: you songs and dancers and dress you up and everything else.

1192
01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,360
Speaker 1: I look for people that that that have their own vision,

1193
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,640
Speaker 1: that have their own sound, that are you know, have

1194
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:46,960
Speaker 1: a sort of sense of self and try and make

1195
01:00:46,960 --> 01:00:48,920
Speaker 1: that happen. For it's a long haul. That's all I

1196
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,560
Speaker 1: can tell you is you have to commit. It's a commitment.

1197
01:00:51,560 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: Like even with the Tragically Hip we signed them in

1198
01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,520
Speaker 1: six We told them when we signed them, you will

1199
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 1: play your first arena in ten years now. Most bands

1200
01:01:02,680 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 1: would hear that and go I'm out, I'm out. They

1201
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,920
Speaker 1: were like cool. Nine and a half years later they

1202
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: played their first headline shown in arena. Well, because we

1203
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 1: made the plan. But what was the plan? The plan

1204
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 1: was build it fan first, build it, builded building. So

1205
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: in retrospect, what were the key elements? Listen, I can't

1206
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 1: deny that the record company helped because they actually backed

1207
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,120
Speaker 1: up our plan. They backed up our plan. It was

1208
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 1: our plan, mine of my partners. But amazing live act.

1209
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:35,560
Speaker 1: Gore Downey as as far as I'm concerned, one of

1210
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:38,200
Speaker 1: the greatest front men that's ever lived, without a doubt,

1211
01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:41,440
Speaker 1: So in the moment, in the moment all the time.

1212
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 1: And I've told this story before, but I might as

1213
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:45,720
Speaker 1: well tell it now. The first time I saw them

1214
01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: was August. We had given a cassette tape. We went

1215
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:51,600
Speaker 1: and saw the band that we set up a gig,

1216
01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,000
Speaker 1: went and saw a week later. He walks on stage,

1217
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: he opens his mouth, he does this jump thing and chills,

1218
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 1: and I just went to my partner, were signing these

1219
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,320
Speaker 1: guys tonight, Like I knew that moment, and I had

1220
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 1: thought i'd seen it before that, and I hadn't seen

1221
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 1: it until then, And so now I'm always looking for it.

1222
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: And if you have found it again, this band Common

1223
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:16,120
Speaker 1: Deer has it individually, there's they don't have Gore Downey,

1224
01:02:16,120 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: But I don't think you know he's He's a whole

1225
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 1: other level of of it. And I really do believe

1226
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 1: he's right up there with the Leonard Cohen's and the

1227
01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:26,720
Speaker 1: Bob Dylans and the John Lennons, and in places around

1228
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 1: the world, like you go to Holland and they revere

1229
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: him that way, like they see him as a poet,

1230
01:02:31,640 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 1: as that kind of person. I mean. He was honored

1231
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,360
Speaker 1: at the Grammys this year, which was quite surprising in

1232
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 1: the in in Memoriam. I wasn't surprised that he was,

1233
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: because he deserved to be. But I was surprised because,

1234
01:02:42,600 --> 01:02:45,560
Speaker 1: you know, he never had that huge mainstream success in

1235
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: the United States, but they had a lot of influence

1236
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: I think. Okay, staying on this scene, you know, in

1237
01:02:50,240 --> 01:02:52,680
Speaker 1: the last four or five months, there's been the whole

1238
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: Me Too movement and there's been a lot of well

1239
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:58,000
Speaker 1: you've been kind of involved, right, but I wanted to

1240
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:02,000
Speaker 1: make it less about sexual harassment and more about female opportunity.

1241
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: Are there more women in the business in Canada than

1242
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,920
Speaker 1: there are in the United States. I wouldn't say that's true.

1243
01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I know a lot of women in the business.

1244
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: Like uh, I sit on the Canadian Independent Music Station Association.

1245
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: I sit on the board and our chairman the last

1246
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: two chairmen have both been women. Chairwomen both been women.

1247
01:03:20,720 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: Um I'm on the board of the MMF, which is

1248
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:26,720
Speaker 1: Music Manager's Form, which is a manager's trade group that

1249
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,360
Speaker 1: has chapters all over the world that started in England.

1250
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,560
Speaker 1: Our chairman of the board as a woman. Well, that

1251
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 1: would that's I can't say the equivalent in the United States.

1252
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 1: I would say that would be ahead of America. But

1253
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:37,200
Speaker 1: it was interesting for a while there. I remember when

1254
01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 1: the Hip were signed to Atlantic. You know the three

1255
01:03:39,400 --> 01:03:43,000
Speaker 1: most powerful people at Atlantic. Powerful people were women at

1256
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:45,840
Speaker 1: the time. You know who's the head of promotion? Then

1257
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:50,400
Speaker 1: you remember and right and you know and uh and

1258
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 1: Vicky Germay's and they had a publicity was was a

1259
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,480
Speaker 1: woman like. They were pretty. They weren't the top, but man,

1260
01:03:56,520 --> 01:03:58,480
Speaker 1: they can make a difference to make get your record

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Speaker 1: broke right. And there was Sylvia Rhne like. There was

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Speaker 1: a lot of women in power then that I think

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01:04:03,400 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: there may have been more women in power positions then

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01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:08,320
Speaker 1: than there are now. So do you believe we need

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Speaker 1: more women in power? And how do we do that?

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Speaker 1: And I think you have to engage. I think you

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Speaker 1: have to. You have to empower them to feel empowered.

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Speaker 1: Boots on the ground level. What do we do. It's

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Speaker 1: a tough question because we're all dealing with it. But

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Speaker 1: for instance, I had at one point I had an

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Speaker 1: office when I had a bigger office, I had six

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Speaker 1: people working for me. They were all women, and I

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01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: gave every single one of them an opportunity to be

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Speaker 1: a manager. You want to be a manager, but here's

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01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:40,200
Speaker 1: here's the rules for being a manager, no different than

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01:04:40,240 --> 01:04:43,120
Speaker 1: any guy that I would bring in to be a manager.

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01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna pay you as much as you're getting now,

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01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: but you're gonna get a huge upside if you sign

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01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,920
Speaker 1: an act and you bring and you get a commission,

1280
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:54,520
Speaker 1: because now you're now your versus a commission, right, And

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01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: every single one of them wouldn't take the deal, then

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01:04:57,720 --> 01:04:59,919
Speaker 1: why do you think that was? Maybe they just wanted

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01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:02,600
Speaker 1: to security. I don't know, but I remember even my

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01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:05,280
Speaker 1: assistant for twenty two years, Shelley, She's and you know, Shelly,

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01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,200
Speaker 1: she said, I just rather be your right hand I

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01:05:08,200 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 1: don't want to be managed. I don't want to be

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01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: Do you think they were not entrepreneurial or they like this?

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01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:16,040
Speaker 1: Probably not entrepreneurial. So I think that and that that's

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Speaker 1: a whole other thing. You know, there's some really great

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01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:22,120
Speaker 1: entrepreneurial women in Canada that I do business with, that

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01:05:22,160 --> 01:05:24,960
Speaker 1: are really really good, that really know there's stuff that

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01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 1: are running independent record labels and everything else. And I'm

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01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:31,880
Speaker 1: sure there's some here. I don't know as many here

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Speaker 1: as I would there. But I think that being an

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01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: entrepreneur is a whole other thing. I don't think you

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01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:40,960
Speaker 1: can teach entrepreneurship. I believe that you're it's born or

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01:05:41,640 --> 01:05:44,480
Speaker 1: learn from your family. So finally, what are the challenges

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01:05:44,560 --> 01:05:46,959
Speaker 1: you see for your both yourself and the music business today?

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01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:49,680
Speaker 1: I don't know getting upgraded tomorrow when I fly back

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01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 1: to my immediate uh my immediate challenges fighting l A

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01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: traffic today, I personally would I'm always searching for that arc.

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01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 1: You know, every day when you're a manager, you sit

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01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 1: down at your desk or wherever it is, and you

1304
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 1: hope you get some good news. Right. You want like

1305
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: a couple of pieces of good news, even one piece

1306
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,680
Speaker 1: of good news that you can just build off of,

1307
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:14,200
Speaker 1: because your job is to tell everyone else, look what

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01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:18,600
Speaker 1: just happened, right, So you need that and some of

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01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:20,720
Speaker 1: it you can create, but some of it, you know,

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01:06:21,120 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: it's it's left up to Like I've been watching with

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01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: common Deer, I've been watching the Spotify numbers go up

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01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 1: every day for the past month and really climb like

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01:06:29,480 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: we've had We've had growth in the last month, and

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01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:38,120
Speaker 1: and I'm seeing more fans and more saves and saves.

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01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: It's big because they're actually saving the music into their library.

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01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: Those are indicators to me. Okay, now, I'm starting to

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01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 1: get some real fans. But it's been a year later now,

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01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:52,400
Speaker 1: I forget that. With the Tragically Hip, I toured them

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01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 1: for two years before we even put a record out,

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01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 1: And that's part of the education with the bands, you know.

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01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,360
Speaker 1: I think I think people always say, what's your most

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01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:02,520
Speaker 1: important job as a manager, And I'm like, manage expectations

1323
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: because you have to sit these bands down, and you say,

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01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,600
Speaker 1: look like, this is how long it takes if you

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01:07:07,640 --> 01:07:09,840
Speaker 1: want to have that kind of career. You know, It's

1326
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: like I've said this to you the you know, it's physics, right.

1327
01:07:12,520 --> 01:07:15,360
Speaker 1: The angle of incidence is equal to the angle of refraction.

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01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:19,240
Speaker 1: If you're playing that for the scientifically, if your career

1329
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:23,120
Speaker 1: trajectory is straight up, it's likely going to be straight down.

1330
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 1: And if you shine a light on a mirror, as

1331
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,320
Speaker 1: you change the angle of that light on the mirror,

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01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 1: the angle on the reflection of the light on the

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01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 1: mirror changes also. So if you shine it straight up

1334
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 1: to the mirror, that light comes straight back down. If

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01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:40,959
Speaker 1: you shine it at forty five, the reflections at forty five.

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Speaker 1: And I think if you want to have a long career,

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01:07:43,720 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 1: you need the forty five Okay, are we saying don't

1338
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,760
Speaker 1: go for the brass ring because it might be over quickly. Yeah.

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01:07:49,960 --> 01:07:52,920
Speaker 1: I always believe are you gonna bet on yourself or

1340
01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: you're betting against yourself. It's like, are you gonna take

1341
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 1: the big publishing advance when you're early part of your

1342
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,760
Speaker 1: career because you think you're gonna fail. You better get

1343
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: the money me now, or there are other people that say, oh,

1344
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:04,440
Speaker 1: take the money and then you can do stuff with

1345
01:08:04,480 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 1: that money. So it's both. But there's no big I mean,

1346
01:08:07,560 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: let's talk about there's no big publishing advances anymore until

1347
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:13,840
Speaker 1: you're already big, you know. But in terms of longevity,

1348
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:16,720
Speaker 1: what are the keys to longevity? You have to do

1349
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: a fan for a strategy. If you're a banned if

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01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 1: you're putting out pop singles, then you're only as big

1351
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:24,240
Speaker 1: as your last single. Anyways, Like you know, you earlier

1352
01:08:24,280 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: in our in our conversation said, you know, Kelly Clarkson

1353
01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: stiffed uh KT Swift because they didn't have a hit.

1354
01:08:32,640 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 1: Right now, you can say, well, it's pop music, it's

1355
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:36,040
Speaker 1: the way it is. But they didn't have a hit.

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01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 1: There are hits out there, they just didn't have a hit.

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01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,160
Speaker 1: So they picked the wrong song or they recorded the

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01:08:41,160 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 1: wrong song. Well, Neil Young had four hit records in

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Speaker 1: his career. He put out thirty albums, right, he put

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01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:53,639
Speaker 1: out thirty, How many were huge? Four? Five? Like huge? Right,

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01:08:54,200 --> 01:08:56,360
Speaker 1: the big records. So if you want to have a career,

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01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,120
Speaker 1: you have to accept that there's gonna be hills and valleys.

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01:08:59,160 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 1: You have to accept it's gonna take a long time

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01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:05,120
Speaker 1: to get there. With the thought process that you're gonna

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01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:07,559
Speaker 1: be around a lot longer than everybody else. Why do

1366
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 1: you stay alive though? In the process you talk about

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01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 1: the early days of the Tragically Hip. Did they have

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01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: day jobs? No? No, they were young, they lived at home.

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01:09:15,920 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 1: They were smart enough because by and large they were

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01:09:18,720 --> 01:09:23,440
Speaker 1: pretty conservative in terms of like their lifestyles. They weren't extravagant.

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01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 1: It's pretty Canadian to to not be extravagant. You get

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01:09:26,479 --> 01:09:29,800
Speaker 1: shouted out if you're too extravagant. You know, I always said,

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01:09:29,800 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 1: you know, certainly in terms of music business, Canada is

1374
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,960
Speaker 1: like a giant high school. And then everybody knows everybody,

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01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:37,680
Speaker 1: everybody's and everybody's even you look at Drake, I mean,

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01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 1: Drake's super popular. He's not in the tabloids that often

1377
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: he's not on red carpets. He wasn't at the Grammys,

1378
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't care, and you talk about you said

1379
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:50,720
Speaker 1: it earlier. You know, the Metallica sells out stadiums and

1380
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:53,559
Speaker 1: no one knows. Drake feels the same way. I don't care.

1381
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:56,759
Speaker 1: Drake shows up into the school in Miami the other day.

1382
01:09:56,960 --> 01:09:59,160
Speaker 1: He shows up at the Raptors games. You know, they're

1383
01:09:59,160 --> 01:10:01,559
Speaker 1: the Toronto Raptors basketball team. He's sitting in first row.

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01:10:01,640 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: He's an ambassador for the team, but he's cheering for

1385
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:06,640
Speaker 1: them because he just wants to be a guy. You know,

1386
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:08,800
Speaker 1: he just wants to be the guy. That's a very

1387
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,240
Speaker 1: Canadian thing. At one point we had in the nineties,

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01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 1: we had five women who basically owned their genres who

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01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:22,840
Speaker 1: were all Canadian. We had shan I, Twain, Lindon, Sarah McLaughlin,

1390
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: Avril Levine, Atlantis, all five around the same time, all Canadian.

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01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 1: None of them at the time, right, let's not talking

1392
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: about what happened with sh and I after. None of

1393
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 1: them tabloid people, none of them, because it's a Canadian thing.

1394
01:10:40,160 --> 01:10:42,960
Speaker 1: They're they're less concerned about. Look at me, look at me,

1395
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: Look at me, it's more like, here's my work, here's

1396
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 1: my work. Who's the greatest Canadian musical artist of all time? Single?

1397
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,960
Speaker 1: The greatest Canadian music artists of all time? Oh that's tough.

1398
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:59,320
Speaker 1: H Niel's probably right there. Leonard Neil and Leonard Joni Mitchell, Joanie, Yeah,

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01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:03,280
Speaker 1: I mean five is easy. Uh. Gored Downey, I think

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01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:05,400
Speaker 1: he's the greatest Canadian frontman of all time. I think

1401
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,439
Speaker 1: he may be one of the greatest front men ever period.

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01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: And for those of you, and I'm going to give

1403
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 1: this plug for those of you who aren't familiar, there's

1404
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 1: a documentary it's on Netflix now called Long Time Running

1405
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,559
Speaker 1: and it's about their final tour. For those who don't know,

1406
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: Gord was tragically diagnosed with brain cancer and undertook one

1407
01:11:22,439 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: final tour before he did pass away a year later.

1408
01:11:25,320 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 1: And this chronicles the tour from when you know, with

1409
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 1: the band talking about seeing him when he couldn't even

1410
01:11:31,920 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 1: form the words after his operation. It kind of puts

1411
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:38,360
Speaker 1: the whole world into perspective. It's about triumph, it's about

1412
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:42,240
Speaker 1: you know, overcoming adversity, and it's about someone and the

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01:11:42,280 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: prime ministers in it. Did you see it? Of course?

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01:11:45,439 --> 01:11:47,760
Speaker 1: I saw, and how would you describe it? Now? I

1415
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 1: think your description is accurate, certainly if you know the

1416
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,360
Speaker 1: band or you know Canada. The interesting thing for an

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01:11:53,400 --> 01:11:56,080
Speaker 1: American viewer who is unaware of the hip or has

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01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: never seen the hip, when you see the rabidity of

1419
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:02,240
Speaker 1: the arena audience is it's almost astounding. You know that

1420
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:05,320
Speaker 1: the people are mouthing every word, They're very excited about it.

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01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:08,840
Speaker 1: They're crying there, people are walking out of the out

1422
01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 1: of the shows with tears in their eyes. I mean,

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01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:13,760
Speaker 1: you know, I went to six of those shows, of

1424
01:12:13,840 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: the final shows, and I hadn't worked with the band

1425
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,800
Speaker 1: a long time. In fact, I hadn't seen them live

1426
01:12:18,120 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 1: for thirteen years. Since the time I stopped working with them,

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01:12:21,560 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen them. So they take Victorian and they

1428
01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:26,200
Speaker 1: did two nights in Vancouver, and I went out to

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01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,040
Speaker 1: Vancouver and that show was the first time I've seen

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01:12:28,080 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 1: them in thirteen years. And Bitter Sweet, No, not at all.

1431
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 1: I actually really I sat in the crowd. I wanted

1432
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,920
Speaker 1: to see the show as a fan. I had a

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01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:42,639
Speaker 1: great time. I was completely moved. After you stopped working

1434
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 1: with them, did you still listen to the new records? Okay,

1435
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:48,960
Speaker 1: just switching gears before we wrap it up. Tell us

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01:12:49,000 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 1: what you learned being a judge Junknnadian idol. I learned

1437
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:54,599
Speaker 1: how to pronounce a lot of different kinds of names,

1438
01:12:55,800 --> 01:12:59,879
Speaker 1: a lot of ethnicity, and we heard a lot about ethnicity, honestly,

1439
01:13:00,200 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: Like I can now see someone know someone's name and

1440
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 1: know where they're from. And I can like, you know,

1441
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:09,560
Speaker 1: your conversations with Uber drivers, right, and you used to

1442
01:13:09,600 --> 01:13:11,360
Speaker 1: write about them all the time. You should write more

1443
01:13:11,400 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 1: about those. I miss those. Your conversations with Uber drivers

1444
01:13:14,640 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 1: are are interesting. Where are you from Sri Lanka? Are

1445
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:21,000
Speaker 1: you from uh? From from India? From Pakistan? Uh? You know?

1446
01:13:21,120 --> 01:13:23,120
Speaker 1: And then you get into the food thing and are

1447
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,760
Speaker 1: you from Belarus or are you from Ukraine? Like you know,

1448
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: it's like that kind of stuff you can buy by names, right,

1449
01:13:28,920 --> 01:13:30,880
Speaker 1: because well they do. Say. I had a cab driver

1450
01:13:30,960 --> 01:13:33,320
Speaker 1: back in the days before Uber in Toronto told me

1451
01:13:33,360 --> 01:13:36,439
Speaker 1: they're more ethnicities in Toronto than any other country in

1452
01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:39,600
Speaker 1: the world. That's correct. It's more multicultural than any and

1453
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:42,800
Speaker 1: it's getting more and more multicultural. Um, it's a great

1454
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:45,559
Speaker 1: place to live. I mean Toronto's It was Steve Martin

1455
01:13:45,600 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 1: that says Toronto's New York without all the ship nothing

1456
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 1: like that. Say it was on thirty Rock. I think

1457
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:54,320
Speaker 1: it was he when he was on thirty Rock he

1458
01:13:54,360 --> 01:13:56,599
Speaker 1: said that it's uh, it's a great place to live.

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01:13:56,600 --> 01:13:58,679
Speaker 1: I mean, I've lived in other places and I keep

1460
01:13:58,680 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 1: going back there. Okay, but once again, anything other lessons

1461
01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 1: from Canadian Idol. Yeah, it reinforced that I didn't want

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01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,200
Speaker 1: to be in the pop music business. But I learned

1463
01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,720
Speaker 1: a lot about the TV business and I gained some

1464
01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 1: new relationships from the TV business, and I actually enjoyed

1465
01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: doing it. It was it was really fun and it

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Speaker 1: was the best non job job I ever had, because

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Speaker 1: because I never had a job, Like, the only person

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Speaker 1: has ever written me a check is me. So there

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Speaker 1: was the one time in my life where I actually,

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Speaker 1: you know, showed up and got paid to you know. Basically,

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Speaker 1: I remember I'd sit at my desk and I look

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Speaker 1: at my watch, thinking when does my vacation start. My

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Speaker 1: vacation was going in to do the Idol shows, and

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Speaker 1: you legendarily aligned your other judges to negotiate for salaries.

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Speaker 1: You were the manager there more or less. I was

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Speaker 1: sort of like the union rep. But but no, but

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Speaker 1: a lot of times they would take our pieces and

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Speaker 1: they would do these like worldwide shows, the best of

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Speaker 1: the worst and all the other stuff. And so there

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Speaker 1: would be a call come in and they'd have to

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Speaker 1: get approval. So I wouldn't negotiate that rate for the

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Speaker 1: other four and I'd say, hey, guys, I just got

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Speaker 1: us each fifteen hundred bucks. They're using this clip from here,

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Speaker 1: you know, or something like that. I was the senior

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Speaker 1: business guy on the panel, so more likely to be

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Speaker 1: the one to do the job. Once a manager, always

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Speaker 1: a manager. You've been listening to manager extraordinary Jake Gold

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Speaker 1: getting the opinion and viewpoint from north of the border,

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Speaker 1: the Great White North. Uh, this is how it is

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Speaker 1: we go to dinner, that we argue a little more heavily.

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Speaker 1: It's even a little more difficult for me to get

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Speaker 1: a word in edgewise. I hope you've enjoyed it. Until

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Speaker 1: next time, it's Bob left Sets and Jake Gold on

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Speaker 1: the Bob Left Sets Podcast. Thanks Bob, thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: to this week's edition of the Bob Left Sets Podcast.

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