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Speaker 1: Hi, everybody, It's Matt and I just wanted to jump

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Speaker 1: up top here and deliver some news. The first listen

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Speaker 1: to this. Bowen Yang returns to the podcast next week,

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Speaker 1: my sister Returneth. We open our arms in gratitude and

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Speaker 1: welcome my sister. She's here again. Lost culture? Is this yeah?

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Speaker 1: Feels right? Also this episode Marimbas Spirit with Zay and Phillips.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about her for a sec. This was recorded

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Speaker 1: prior to the Screen Actors Guild declaring that we're going

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Speaker 1: on strike, and it was promotional at the time. What

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Speaker 1: I've done is I've gone and I've removed all promotional

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Speaker 1: aspects of this episode. Any projects that Zane and I

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Speaker 1: have been in together, anything that he was promoting at

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Speaker 1: the time of the strike is out of here. So

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Speaker 1: why you may ask, Well, that is because as part

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Speaker 1: of the strike, we will not be promoting anything that

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Speaker 1: we're doing going forward if that project is related to,

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Speaker 1: or connected to, or promoting or helping a struck company.

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Speaker 1: It's an important distinction. Until a fair deal is given

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Speaker 1: to us, and anyone that is on this podcast will

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Speaker 1: not be promoting anything, and that will continue for as

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Speaker 1: long as it needs to. Quite frankly. Of course the

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Speaker 1: podcast will continue, but the structure of it and the

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Speaker 1: way that our guests and Bowen and I will be

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Speaker 1: talking about culture will just be a little bit different

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Speaker 1: in ways that we'll get into when Bowen gets back

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Speaker 1: next week. But I didn't want to hold this episode

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Speaker 1: back entirely because it's such a lovely discussion and Zaying

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Speaker 1: is such a special person to me, So I'm giving

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Speaker 1: it to you, and then later on the great news

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Speaker 1: is we have a bonus episode with the Man, So

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Speaker 1: I want you to sit back. I want you to

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Speaker 1: enjoy this one and know that Bowen is back in

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Speaker 1: all his glory. Next a week come, I'm a Rimba

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Speaker 1: spirit with Zaan and Phillips starts. Now. Look Mare, Oh

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Speaker 1: I see you, Oh my Bowen. Look over there? How

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Speaker 1: is that culture?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Goodness? Wow? Lost cult ding dong lost culturistas calling or

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Speaker 1: la culturista as we're doing lately, one voice shining in

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Speaker 1: the darkness. And I know what you're thinking as you're

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Speaker 1: listening to this. Wow, that's a tenor. That's a tenor

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Speaker 1: right there. And I can confirm it's not as high

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Speaker 1: every year when I go to tour my Christmas show,

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Speaker 1: I have what's very much a man's voice nowadays, but

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Speaker 1: it is still a tenor voice. You'll remember a few

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Speaker 1: months ago, if you're a devoted reader Katie Publicists finalist

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Speaker 1: that consumes this podcast regularly, you'll remember when Betty Gilpin

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Speaker 1: was on this podcast and she said Bowen's voice with mine,

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Speaker 1: it's like piccolo and bassoon. I'm giving sort of piccolo

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Speaker 1: You may even describe our energy on this podcast and

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Speaker 1: this is a segway coming as very Lydia and Wickham

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Speaker 1: he exemplified those skills at the last Cultures's Culture Awards,

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Speaker 1: But please welcome my basoon for this episode, Zan Phillips.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god. So you came with a high WU.

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Speaker 2: so smartle culture. I mean English English star. That's another

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Speaker 1: they gave an honorable mention Okay, and I mean fourth place.

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Speaker 1: this podcast what was the culture that made you say?

434
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Speaker 1: Culture was for you that moment in life that you

435
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Speaker 1: can look back on, whether it's a micro r macro

436
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Speaker 1: thing that you're like Zaane became Zane as a result

437
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Speaker 1: of fill in the blank.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny because this is going to be

439
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Speaker 2: I think an almost identical answer to Miss Benny's really yes,

440
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Speaker 2: because we had talked a lot about I mean, it's

441
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Speaker 2: weird how similar Benny and I's reference points end up being.

442
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Speaker 1: But it was absolutely top model.

443
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Speaker 3: Really.

444
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Speaker 1: Oh that's so funny because I was like, maybe he

445
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Speaker 1: doesn't know what Miss Benny said, because it can't be

446
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Speaker 1: top model for wore.

447
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Speaker 2: I'm twelve years old, right, I remember this is like

448
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Speaker 2: I think spring like two thousand and six or something.

449
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Speaker 2: I'm starting to, uh, you know, we have like a

450
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Speaker 2: computer now, we you know, we're starting to like come

451
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Speaker 2: into our own on the.

452
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Speaker 1: Internet family computer vibes. Yeah.

453
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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So I don't know how it happened, but I'm

454
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Speaker 2: just remembering the imagery of because first of all, let's

455
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Speaker 2: talk about the Top Model promo shoots were always insane, insane,

456
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Speaker 2: incredibly like arresting.

457
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Speaker 1: Yep, you know this. This was the days of course

458
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Speaker 1: when it was still on UPN.

459
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Speaker 2: They were in fact models, they were in fact they

460
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Speaker 2: really got that from the pictures.

461
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Speaker 1: It's actually a rural culture number eighty eight on Top Model.

462
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Speaker 1: They were in fact models, and you really got that

463
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Speaker 1: from the pictures.

464
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And so it was I think the theme was,

465
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Speaker 2: I don't know, they were all fairies. This is cycle six, right,

466
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Speaker 2: And I think because because you know, TV was very

467
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Speaker 2: much like a shared thing for our families, So anything

468
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Speaker 2: that I was experiencing, I was experiencing with my family.

469
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Speaker 2: This was the first time where I was starting to

470
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Speaker 2: experience something away from them and away from the immediate

471
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Speaker 2: culture around me, because I was in Texas at this

472
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Speaker 2: point and so like there was No, this was a

473
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Speaker 2: singular experience that I was I was going through doesn't

474
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Speaker 2: rerun culture. It wasn't rerun culture. So specifically what it

475
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:18,639
Speaker 2: was was recap culture.

476
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Speaker 1: Recap. Yeah, and so did you ever remember television without pitty?

477
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 1: Of course? Yeah.

478
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Speaker 2: So that became sort of my like daily temple of

479
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,080
Speaker 2: sorts like I would because I couldn't watch anything, but

480
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: I would keep up and I started reading recaps for

481
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Speaker 2: all these shows that I had never seen. I would

482
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Speaker 2: go back and read recaps for all these different things.

483
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Speaker 2: And so that's why now I am sort of like

484
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Speaker 2: I feel definition a reader, you know what I mean,

485
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Speaker 2: because because that's that's a lot of times how I

486
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Speaker 2: still look.

487
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Speaker 1: You understand that breakdown of what it means to be

488
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Speaker 1: a reader?

489
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Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, yes, yes, because I'm not a lot of times,

490
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Speaker 2: you know, I don't talk about culture like I don't

491
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Speaker 2: engage in like cultural commentary on Twitter or anything like that.

492
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Speaker 2: But I'm always taking things in. I'm always getting things

493
00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 2: through osmosis. You're no, No, I'm not. I'm not a publicist,

494
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,880
Speaker 2: you know, and I can only hope to be a finalist.

495
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: Fun I think I think I'm honorable mentioning fourth placing,

496
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Speaker 2: which I'm fine with.

497
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Speaker 1: I'm fine with, I feel comfortable with that.

498
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Speaker 2: But I think specifically with Top Model, there's something about

499
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Speaker 2: the transformational aspect of that show, god right, which is that,

500
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 2: I mean, one, we love a process of elimination and finding,

501
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: you know, bullshit reasons to get rid of girls. But

502
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,760
Speaker 2: also it was the fact that you took these sort

503
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Speaker 2: of you know, these normal people I mean all around

504
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:41,000
Speaker 2: the country and turn them into something else. And I

505
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 2: think that's why it's such a brilliant concept for a show, right,

506
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Speaker 2: So why the makeover episode is so iconic is because

507
00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 2: a lot of times it was just to torture them,

508
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Speaker 2: but then sometimes that was where I don't know, I just.

509
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Speaker 1: Thought one saw themselves for the first time for real exactly.

510
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Speaker 2: It's like it's like in the way that snatch game

511
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Speaker 2: on Drag Race sort of clinches who were the contender?

512
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Speaker 1: Is the makeover clinched who were the contenders on that show?

513
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Speaker 2: Because it was okay, how could you take something new,

514
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 2: adapt it to yourself and then honestly make it your power?

515
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 2: And so I think, yeah, So for me, I think

516
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 2: seeing I mean, it's it's wild now because you know,

517
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Speaker 2: now I'm like starting to do photo shoots and you know,

518
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 2: and I think I still keep with me this idea

519
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Speaker 2: that I love this act of transformation. I love this

520
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 2: this act of sort of I mean it's you know,

521
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Speaker 2: it's with acting as well of being able to put

522
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Speaker 2: something on and have that become your new power for

523
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,360
Speaker 2: the day, right yeah, so so yeah so, I mean,

524
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Speaker 2: but I was obsessed and so like I memorized elimination orders.

525
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 2: I knew exactly like who went home on which photo shoot.

526
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Speaker 1: And this was because of television without pity, without watching

527
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Speaker 1: it or were you watching it?

528
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Speaker 2: No, I don't think I watched it for a couple

529
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Speaker 2: of years because then they would start, because then I

530
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Speaker 2: think I was able to catch some of they would have,

531
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Speaker 2: like the marathons of VH one or whatever. Yes, of course,

532
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Speaker 2: I don't think, because I think they were still pretty

533
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Speaker 2: tight about how it was airing, with like the UPN

534
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 2: and CW thing. But but yeah, I was. I was

535
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 2: like obsessed with figuring out like just just parsing out

536
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Speaker 2: why was something, I mean, why was something ridiculous? I mean,

537
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Speaker 2: I don't know, I remember like the god like the

538
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Speaker 2: photo recaps on Tumblr too, Like I was just really

539
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 2: big into recap culture.

540
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was sort of my gateway. So it

541
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Speaker 1: was really the fact that you couldn't be up in

542
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Speaker 1: your house watching this because of a self consciousness maybe

543
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Speaker 1: or just because of like a not even just that,

544
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Speaker 1: but also just like real estate wise, like it was

545
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Speaker 1: not gonna be what everyone was watching together. It was

546
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: also just not straight boys in Texas didn't watch them

547
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Speaker 1: do that.

548
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,720
Speaker 2: No, yeah, they didn't do that. It's not that would

549
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,440
Speaker 2: be a pretty big giveaway. I think see.

550
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Speaker 1: Where was I maybe Long Island was just different, or

551
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 1: maybe metro sexual culture was just hitting really hard where

552
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Speaker 1: I grew up because it was fine that I watched

553
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:58,400
Speaker 1: American Idol America's Next Top Model. And also I think

554
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Speaker 1: it was the recap of the not the recap, the

555
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: rerun of it all, because that's how I got its

556
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: top Well. I certainly was not. I don't think I

557
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: ever watched it when it was on m or the

558
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 1: WB or whatever it was. It was like those thirteen

559
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,639
Speaker 1: episodes in a row on v H one where it

560
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: was like you could start in the morning and then

561
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 1: it was like crack. By the end, it was like

562
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,359
Speaker 1: is it Carrie d or Melrose? And it was famously

563
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 1: Carrie D. Wow, and the way that we were all

564
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: team Carrie D. And now you look back and you're like,

565
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 1: it was Melrose. It was about Melrose.

566
00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: It was always and it probably was about another girl

567
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: that didn't even make it that true. I think that

568
00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,840
Speaker 2: was the Twins that season and they were they were God.

569
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

570
00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,879
Speaker 2: Season seven was really an interesting time. So no, that

571
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 2: was season sorry. Season eight Season eight was Cycle eight

572
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 2: was carry Dan Melrose.

573
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Maybe you're right. Wow, that is encyclopedic and that

574
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 1: can only be attained by at a formative time in

575
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: life being on message boards like that and websites like that. Yes, yes,

576
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: which was very much my culture too.

577
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And it was the fact too, because now

578
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: you know, I find too that the best way I

579
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: feel like I can enjoy things is by watching them

580
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,240
Speaker 2: with other people and then talking about it afterwards and

581
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: then having the full water cooler conversation.

582
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Speaker 1: I was on the ground for you getting into Survivor.

583
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 2: You were you were absolutely yeah and that and that

584
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 2: was big for me and being able to I mean

585
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 2: because I've been I keep on texting you being like wow, Matt,

586
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: like Nicaragua underrated, right, and You're like I I'm gonna

587
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: be honest.

588
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm going to be real. You

589
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: might have outsurvived me on this one. I don't think

590
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: i've seen Nicaragua, but like, I remember you getting into it,

591
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: and I also remember being like, you would slay this show.

592
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: I so I've told you this.

593
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:41,840
Speaker 2: I'm doing so Matt Pavlovich, who's like, I don't know

594
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 2: if you know him, but anyway, he's a friend of

595
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,320
Speaker 2: my friends, but now you know we're friends. But anyway,

596
00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 2: he does this Survivor oh thing every year. So I'm

597
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:49,800
Speaker 2: doing it on Saturday.

598
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: So you're doing on Saturday. Yes, it's coming up, It's

599
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,000
Speaker 1: coming up. Now, this episode will come out after this exactly,

600
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: So listen, we can talk about what your game plan

601
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 1: is exactly. So let's just play out a fantasy scenario

602
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: where sure, you're doing this on Saturday, but using are

603
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: cast on Survivor. Yeah, what are we giving? Okay? So,

604
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: and I know you're looking at me is getting already.

605
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: I know, I'm like sweating. I'm like so excited.

606
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 2: Okay, So I think let's talk about like classic Survivor,

607
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 2: because twenty six Day Survivor, I feel like it's a

608
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 2: little bit of a different ball game.

609
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 1: So I'm not into what's no.

610
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,760
Speaker 2: No, I'm not either, but but I think pre merge, right,

611
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 2: I'm if you all. I mean, I know podcasting is

612
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 2: visual medium, but you know, if you can picture me,

613
00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 2: I'm a pretty big guy.

614
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I at least give an appearance of athleticism. You

615
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: come with a let's just say there is an air

616
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: about you where you'd think physical threat.

617
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, so hopefully right pre merge strategy right is

618
00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: be friendly enough?

619
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 1: Right? Right?

620
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 2: Just just make people know that I'm hey, I'm not crazy,

621
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: I'm here for the team, right, so that I can

622
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 2: I just need to make it to merge, right, have

623
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 2: the good enough relationships the thing is right. I feel

624
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 2: like post merge obviously is all about threat management totally obviously.

625
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 2: So here's the thing. It really depends. I feel like,

626
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: you know, it depends on who you're with and whether

627
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 2: you are with smart people, because I think like if

628
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,560
Speaker 2: I can connect with someone and really let them know,

629
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: like without putting it all out there, like hey, I'm

630
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 2: actually like my strength is not what I bring physically.

631
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 2: My strength is actually hopefully what I can bring mentally.

632
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: You know, if if they did those little you know,

633
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: remember the challenges they used to do with, Like they'd

634
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: read the story and then you'd have to like go around.

635
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I like like that'd be my king shit,

636
00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 2: Like I would be I'd be very good at that,

637
00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: you know, which no one would expect, you know, So

638
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 2: so you know I need to hide that long ens,

639
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 2: but hopefully like yeah, have the good alliance and then

640
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 2: you know, realistically, I just I just want to make jury.

641
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: I just want to be a part of the full

642
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: process because I really don't think, Yeah, I don't think

643
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 2: i'd be able to make it to the end.

644
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: You don't think, so, I just I don't know.

645
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 2: It's like, you know, you have to think about all

646
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: the factors that sort of compile right to create this

647
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 2: image of who's a threat and who's not right. And

648
00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to gasp myself up, but I think

649
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 2: I'm just I can be pleasant. I can be a

650
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: pleasant person. So that doesn't always work in your favor.

651
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 1: No, I think that there's this idea that you don't want. Well,

652
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,920
Speaker 1: what Surviverer has really become is it's like how do

653
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 1: you mask how good you are? You know what I mean?

654
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 1: It's like because you want to ultimately get to the

655
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: final three, so you can then reveal, hopefully in an

656
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: eloquent way, which is a whole other thing, is that

657
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: you have to really deliver an amazing final tribal and

658
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: ultimately ends up being how charismatic and how convincing you

659
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: are at that point. But it's also about showing in

660
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 1: that moment the surprising and sort of brand new ways

661
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 1: you have navigated getting there, and how you fooled everyone

662
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: into thinking that you were one thing and actually you

663
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: were not only just good at this, but a mastermind.

664
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: So it's like, I think we've seen in the last

665
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: five seasons of Survivor the quote unquote best player who

666
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 1: certainly would have won in like a Kim Spradland year,

667
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:18,200
Speaker 1: like come in fifth.

668
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 2: Yes, Like I'm reminded eight eighth through fifth is where

669
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 2: all the stars go.

670
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: I'm reminded of Shannon Ricard, I'm reminded of Hi I'm

671
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: reminded of Jesse Carla Guess, Jesse Carla. These these contestants

672
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:38,280
Speaker 1: that in many ways like would have won ten to

673
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,480
Speaker 1: fifteen seasons ago, but now it's almost impossible for them

674
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: to win, which makes it incredibly difficult to prove you

675
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: deserve to win toy because we've seen and I think

676
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: it's an unfortunate pattern, but I also understand the pattern

677
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: the past three or four years. You would not have

678
00:32:57,760 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 1: picked those people in the opening episodes of the show

679
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: to win the show. And even that's even like that

680
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: with the runners up, you know what I mean, It's

681
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,959
Speaker 1: like it sort of becomes this new thing of like,

682
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 1: how do I just get to the end and then

683
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: prove I was stealth it's expert.

684
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 2: It feels like a more frantic game. It feels like

685
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: a more it feels like, honestly, the social aspect has

686
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: has deteriorated a little bit, absolutely, you know, and especially

687
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: with all I mean, it's with all the advantages and

688
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: the it's it's it's too much. And I think what

689
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:31,680
Speaker 2: the beauty of the game is and the reason why

690
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: I think everyone gets obsessed with it is because you

691
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: can see so much of when you're watching, you know,

692
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 2: one of the older seasons, it is so easy to

693
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 2: see yourself there, and suddenly your brain goes through all

694
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 2: the options of like how you would do in this situation,

695
00:33:47,680 --> 00:33:50,120
Speaker 2: because there are a ton of ways to go through,

696
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 2: but there's you know, there's nothing to be done when

697
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:54,680
Speaker 2: there's eight idols out there and you know it's it's

698
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 2: and the.

699
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,840
Speaker 1: Thing where it's like someone can smash the hourglass and

700
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: time goes back. It's like that.

701
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:02,440
Speaker 2: There's when it was like eleven people in the margin,

702
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: only four people were eligible for getting voted out. Like

703
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 2: that's that's why it's like, how do you even you

704
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 2: can't even play the game anymore because the game, the

705
00:34:11,239 --> 00:34:13,279
Speaker 2: game is just gonna do what it wants, and like,

706
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: you know, you just have to not be screwed.

707
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,440
Speaker 1: That's like a macro note I have about like reality

708
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 1: shows in general that I've been on for a long

709
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: time that are really trying to find new ways to

710
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: feel relevant and to feel exciting. You actually do that

711
00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: with casting. And this is why I would say that

712
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 1: Carolyn Weiger was such a star is because they found

713
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 1: someone really compelling, yes, and they found someone who you

714
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,160
Speaker 1: could root for and understand, but also was going to

715
00:34:42,200 --> 00:34:46,120
Speaker 1: be polarizing in behavior. I always was saying during the season,

716
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: like Carolyn Weiger would have been on the cover of

717
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: People magazine had this happened in two thousand and eleven,

718
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like, had this been back

719
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: in the day, Carolyn as a character would have been

720
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: a huge star. But I think that that's why this

721
00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: my favorite season out of the ones that have happened

722
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: since Winters of War, is because it feels like they

723
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: really hit the jackpot with casters, and like all of

724
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:14,279
Speaker 1: them were compelling and had fun stories, and even if

725
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: you admite a decision about them, you saw like a

726
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 1: package that was put together about their life. Like I

727
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: kind of like didn't really care too much about Heidi,

728
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 1: and then they put together a package on her life,

729
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 1: and I remember at the end of the package, I

730
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I'm fully rooting for her now, which

731
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 1: should be the way it feels. And I think the

732
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: mistake that's being made and maybe it's rectified now that

733
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: this season was such a success, is that there's an

734
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: idea that the stunts are what invests people in the show,

735
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 1: and I just think that is such a miscalculation. It

736
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: is about characters. It is about character dynamics, It's about casting.

737
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what separates even like a really good

738
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: season of Drag Race from anything else. It's like, you

739
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: want to remember the people you know, say what you

740
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: want about, like how you might feel about like what

741
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: Candy Muse is acting like on the season of All Stars,

742
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 1: you remember Candy Muse forever, you know what I mean.

743
00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 1: That's why you keep seeing some of these people come back,

744
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: like Eureka, Like you might not gag for Eureka's personality,

745
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: but you remember Eureka to you remember Vangie, Like you

746
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,960
Speaker 1: need to cast stars in this thing. And just before

747
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: we even got on this, we were talking about The Traders,

748
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: right right, Okay, yeah, let's let's get into that.

749
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 2: Get in the Traders, because so I think The Traders

750
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 2: was good, but it felt imperfect. It felt like there

751
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 2: there was some stuff missing. Yeah, so tell me first

752
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:34,960
Speaker 2: your thoughts because because we were talking, Yeah.

753
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: We were talking a little bit, and then I said,

754
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 1: we have to save it. So what has been announced

755
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: about the second season of The Traders? Were just coming

756
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 1: so excited. Alan Cumming did win Outstanding Reality Competition Host

757
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: of the last Culture Rasa's Culture Awards, which was my

758
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,840
Speaker 1: big thing during the first season because it felt really

759
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: ugly at the end of the first season of The

760
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: Traders when the quote unquote real people were so gagged

761
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: and unforgiving of Suri for playing the games she was

762
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 1: cast to play and winning and doing it well. The

763
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 1: fact that you didn't know who you were dealing with

764
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: is your fucking problem. And now I think with a

765
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 1: cast of all reality stars, we're going to have people

766
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: who are on board, who know the assignment and are

767
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,320
Speaker 1: going to want to play the game and the same

768
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:30,360
Speaker 1: tamber And that's my opinion.

769
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, and I do agree with that. Yet it

770
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,360
Speaker 2: should either be all reality stars. I would be curious

771
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 2: to see it with all just normal people. And I

772
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 2: think that's the way the original.

773
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,600
Speaker 1: UK is they do it in the UK like that, which,

774
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: by the way, the UK Traders is a great watch.

775
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: Watch to watch it. It's really really good and it

776
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: just goes to show what a great game it is

777
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 1: because it goes in a completely different way.

778
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 2: Right, Because so my main issue with this first season

779
00:37:53,840 --> 00:37:57,120
Speaker 2: of the US version is because if you compare it

780
00:37:57,120 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 2: with something like The Mole, right where the Mole is

781
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 2: going to be there till the very end anyway, right,

782
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 2: So there's no issue with them, and the point of

783
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 2: it is that they're supposed to sabotage the challenges and

784
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,759
Speaker 2: so I don't know, the game of it feels very clean, right,

785
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 2: whereas with The Traders, first of all, what incentive is

786
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:19,040
Speaker 2: there for the traders to do anything but pretend to

787
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:19,760
Speaker 2: be faithful?

788
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 1: Right? What?

789
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 2: There is absolutely no incentive, right, So essentially everyone is

790
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: playing the game the same, right, They're all trying to

791
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 2: get money for the pot because they can all win

792
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,040
Speaker 2: the money, right. So I feel like there needs to

793
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 2: be something added to where either the traders are incentivized

794
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:42,360
Speaker 2: to sabotage the challenges, or they're incentivized to reveal to

795
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 2: sort of risk their secrecy, or there has to be

796
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,800
Speaker 2: a way for the faithful to like win clues something

797
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: like that, because what I feel like I found watching

798
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:53,960
Speaker 2: the season is I had no idea why anyone was

799
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 2: getting voted out.

800
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: It was just all vibes, you know.

801
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:58,880
Speaker 2: And I just think like, if you're going to just

802
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:00,879
Speaker 2: go off vibes, make it more of a social game,

803
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: then you know what I mean? If the challenges are

804
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 2: you know, typical reality show challenges like physical aspects, but

805
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: that doesn't do anything to actually help.

806
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: No.

807
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that that was my thing is I kept

808
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,080
Speaker 2: on being like, it feels like two different shows and

809
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: I and I wouldn't know. I'm not with the people

810
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: in understanding really why, yeah, you're getting.

811
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: I also don't even need the physical challenges at all.

812
00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: I almost feel like we really go clue with this.

813
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,919
Speaker 1: Lock them in the house. The vibe is that makes

814
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:33,080
Speaker 1: them even more crazy, and the way that money is

815
00:39:33,160 --> 00:39:35,879
Speaker 1: earned is a little bit more similar to them all,

816
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 1: and that like it's things around the house and like

817
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: social games we can play like literal like you know, mysteries, riddles,

818
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 1: things like that that take place in the house that

819
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: also thematically and anesthetically go more with the traders vibe

820
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 1: of like this like secrecy, this like you know, intrigue,

821
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: because when we leave the house, it literally becomes like

822
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: the challenge. It literally becomes like real world road rules

823
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 1: in a way where I'm like, this doesn't feel like it.

824
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 1: And the only reason it feels like we're doing this

825
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:06,879
Speaker 1: is because we have these reality show cast members and

826
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: we want to see them like this because it's familiar

827
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 1: to us. Yeah, I think that we could simplify this

828
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 1: and just think of a more creative way to make

829
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: money a driving factory with different stakes for the traders

830
00:40:22,080 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: and the faith.

831
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: There's like maybe there's almost like two different pots or something.

832
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 2: There's like a secret trader pot and like, uh, exactly

833
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 2: like a faceboo pot or something.

834
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, and maybe more things are done in the dark exactly.

835
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 2: I think there just needs to be because I remember

836
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 2: when like Kate, for example, was like throwing away the barrels, right,

837
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,280
Speaker 2: I was like, well, this doesn't this like you wouldn't

838
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: because the trader wants money too, so this is nothing.

839
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: But this isn't an interesting gameplay move. It's just her

840
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,560
Speaker 1: being annoying. And here I thought actually the opposite, because

841
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 1: I was like, she's actually proving that she she believes

842
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 1: the game is going in a way where the traders

843
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,319
Speaker 1: are winning, yes, and so therefore she's like, I'm going

844
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: to show you how much I'm not a trader. They're

845
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: gonna win, and I don't want them to win money,

846
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: so I'm throwing it down the hill. I don't want

847
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: the traders to win, which could go either way either way.

848
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: And that's an interesting perspective. I just, you know, wish

849
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: we could have like heard more from her.

850
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,440
Speaker 1: Right exactly, because really more of the takes a katou

851
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,799
Speaker 1: from her work, Like I don't like being here, and

852
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: I remember Kate was very polarizing on the show. But

853
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, but that it's fun to watch yeah,

854
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And the thing about reality

855
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: show cast members is their stunt queens. In a way,

856
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: these boring girls aren't, because that's one thing that almost

857
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: everyone that was enormy on the show shared was they

858
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 1: were all boring. Yeah, And there's a reason why someone

859
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: has success on a reality show and is cast again

860
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: and is in play for something like this is because

861
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 1: they are compelling, which brings me back to the survivor

862
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 1: of it all, which is you need compelling. Yes, yes,

863
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:58,160
Speaker 1: it was.

864
00:41:58,160 --> 00:41:59,719
Speaker 2: Also it was one of the reasons why I was

865
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 2: so obsessed with the first two seasons of The Mole

866
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:03,920
Speaker 2: way back in like two thousand and one.

867
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:05,040
Speaker 1: Did you watch the new one?

868
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,200
Speaker 2: I did watch the new one, and I think, yeah,

869
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 2: it was exactly what you're saying is we saw really

870
00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 2: interesting challenges you saw. What I love about The Mole

871
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 2: is that it involves the place in a really tangible way.

872
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:16,719
Speaker 1: You know, they were in Australia.

873
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 2: It was all these things, but it was cast like

874
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 2: the Circle, you know what I mean, And you had

875
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 2: all these sort of hot dummies and I'm like, oh

876
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,640
Speaker 2: my god, nobody's even knowing how to play the game.

877
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 2: Whereas I the first season of the Male is one

878
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: of the best reality competition shows you'll ever watch because

879
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: the characters are interesting, they're smart, and they're all affected

880
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: differently by the game, like the Mole. The Mole of

881
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: season one is one of the most interesting reality TV

882
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: characters I've ever seen. They process their role in the

883
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: game in such an intriguing way.

884
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: There's also something to with the Male not knowing, yeah,

885
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,480
Speaker 1: the audience literally not knowing, whereas like, yes, which is

886
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 1: the central thing of The Traders, is you know? And

887
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: so I thought from the very beginning, I'm like, is

888
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 1: this gonna take away from it? And I actually now

889
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: a note I have for the Mole is like I

890
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 1: kind of wanted to know, Like, of course there's that

891
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 1: element of surprise and it's a completely different thing. But

892
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:13,800
Speaker 1: what I like about The Traders is knowing the whole

893
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:18,360
Speaker 1: time and really appreciating a good Trader. Yeah, like Sori

894
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,360
Speaker 1: like was so excellent at that and her acting was

895
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: so good and she was so compelling. And the thing

896
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 1: is like the way that no one really even suspected

897
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 1: her that was there at the end. Meanwhile, people that

898
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 1: did suspect her early on, like Brandy Glanville, which the

899
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: fact that Brandy Glanville was perceptive was mind blowing to me,

900
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:44,359
Speaker 1: but she was gone, ye. Like so I think at

901
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: its full potential, it has this incredible opportunity to give

902
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: what the mole gives and also give like the best

903
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:56,399
Speaker 1: of survivor in this atmosphere which feels very brand new,

904
00:43:56,960 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: which is the Castle and Alan is so good and

905
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: I love the set design of them sitting around that table.

906
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: I love so much of what they've found that I'm

907
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 1: excited that at least one thing is going to be

908
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 1: improved from last to first in my purview, and it

909
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: sounds like yours two, which is we're getting people that

910
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: are all on the same page. Yes.

911
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it puts everyone to watch them get that upset. No,

912
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: and also like it puts everyone in an even playing

913
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 2: field in terms of being visible, you know what I mean,

914
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,760
Speaker 2: Like people would have suspicions of you know, these random

915
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,879
Speaker 2: reality TV characters because you're like, well, I know who

916
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 2: you are. I've seen how you played where it's like

917
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: You're like, I don't know, little plain girl.

918
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I don't know who you are. Who

919
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: are you? You know? It's it's And what I also

920
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: like is it's like, had the finalists that were Normani's

921
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 1: in Season one of the Traders not been fools, they

922
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 1: would have known this. But what I love is that

923
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:52,200
Speaker 1: as a re established reality show person amongst other established

924
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 1: reality show people who are all aware of each other,

925
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 1: it then presents the challenge of playing against type, needing

926
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: to play against type. So, for example, if someone like

927
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 1: Parvity were to be cast on season two of the Traders,

928
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: that would be a really interesting challenge for her because

929
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:15,640
Speaker 1: she comes with a background of deviousness. If you know

930
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,239
Speaker 1: who party is like, you are not going to let

931
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 1: her stay no, and that was what happened with her

932
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: and Winners at War, So it presents an interesting challenge.

933
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 1: But also then if they were to cast people on

934
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: the same level as her, like I can think of

935
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: some housewives. I really want to see Candistill Abassad on

936
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: The Traders. I want to see some people that are

937
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 1: going to shake it up. I could think of I

938
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:39,080
Speaker 1: mean so many people from Survivor I would love to see.

939
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 1: I would love to see Sandra Diaz Twine, I would

940
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: love to see Boston Rob. I would love to see

941
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: all the girls, like bring back all the greats and

942
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: put them in this atmosphere because I want to see

943
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 1: you in a non survivor world, have to prove that

944
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 1: you are good enough to inhabit an another persona to success.

945
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,879
Speaker 2: It's the sort of social aspect of survivor that we've

946
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 2: sort of been missing, right.

947
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 1: It's exactly, and that's what I love about Traders and

948
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: because it does feel that niche. Yeah, yeah, I love that,

949
00:46:12,600 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: and I think we solved it. I think we solved it,

950
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: and I think just send us your problems. Send us

951
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:21,080
Speaker 1: your problems. This is now become an advice podcast. And

952
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,959
Speaker 1: speaking of advice, you can always heed warnings from our

953
00:46:25,120 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 1: last segment on this podcast, which is called I Don't

954
00:46:27,080 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 1: Think So Honey, because we're basically what we're saying here

955
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: is this thing, don't do it, this thing, don't be it,

956
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,960
Speaker 1: this thing, don't engage. So this actually we're looking for

957
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,799
Speaker 1: ways to shake it up while my sister is on

958
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 1: break and I actually, this is the first time I've

959
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 1: ever done this. I got tweeted someone saying I don't

960
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: think so honey, this thing and I was like, oh

961
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: my god, I'm gonna do this one. You're being prompted.

962
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: I'm being prompted. So this goes out to at rebar

963
00:46:56,840 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: back at r E B A r B A you e.

964
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: Your emoji on Twitter is like a bratstall and I

965
00:47:06,080 --> 00:47:09,920
Speaker 1: love that. And at ten fifty two am on July second,

966
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, you tweeted this to me, I don't

967
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 1: think so honey, blank, and I'm gonna do it right now.

968
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:18,600
Speaker 1: This is the first time I've ever sourced, and I

969
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:20,839
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. I saw this and I knew

970
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,240
Speaker 1: I had to do it. It's not my own idea,

971
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: but I feel like it is. I feel like I'm

972
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: Kelly Clarkson covering a song with Kelly. OK, Like I'm

973
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 1: gonna make it my own. Wow. So here's my I

974
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 1: don't think so honey. My time starts now. I don't

975
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 1: think so honey. Rainbow Road in Mario Kart Oh, it

976
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 1: is the most boring level and it is what we

977
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,239
Speaker 1: work up to. I'm sorry, but it is miles and

978
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 1: miles and miles literally of the same old Rainbow roads.

979
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 1: And I don't think so honey that it's a heighten note.

980
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 1: We've done well. When you go to the fucking Haunted Shack, Mama,

981
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:53,240
Speaker 1: that's the gig. When you when you are in Bowser's Castle,

982
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:56,360
Speaker 1: don't I don't think so, honey, being in Bowser's Castle,

983
00:47:56,680 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: and then the heighten on that. Ultimately, when you get

984
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: to the final Cup, it is it's gonna be thirty seconds.

985
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: I have left Rainbow Road. It is a miles and

986
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: miles and miles of bullshit. Also, the most frustrating thing

987
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: is when you fall off the Rainbow Road. It's like

988
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: you haven't It's like, why did you even do the

989
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 1: race to begin with. Meanwhile, we don't race in Mario

990
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 1: Kart to stay in the lines. We need to be

991
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,239
Speaker 1: careening off sides. We need to be able to use

992
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: our items, we need to be able to be battling

993
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: with the girls. And I don't think so, honey, that

994
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: Rainbow Road allows us to do that with five seconds.

995
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, Rainbow Road, you're basic, You're boring, You're nothing.

996
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 2: And I don't want to be culminated in you. I

997
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 2: don't think so, man, I don't want to be culminated.

998
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,040
Speaker 2: I don't want to be culminated in you.

999
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: That sounds actually horny.

1000
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 2: That sounds yeah. I think I think like a period

1001
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: lesbian line.

1002
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:46,800
Speaker 1: I want to be culminated in you.

1003
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that sounds that I'm actually gonna try that

1004
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 2: the next time I'm on one. When I'm out, I'm

1005
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,400
Speaker 2: gonna tell the guy that I'm gonna hook up with.

1006
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 2: I want to be culminated in you. Yeah, and you

1007
00:48:55,640 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 2: just have to trust that he's not gonna know what

1008
00:48:57,520 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 2: you're talking.

1009
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,760
Speaker 1: About, like basically, or that you're talking to like a killer. Yeah, exactly.

1010
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 1: I want to be culminated by you. Like that means

1011
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:04,640
Speaker 1: go home and kill me.

1012
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like like I want to be your final and

1013
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,960
Speaker 2: your last. I want to be the the rainbow road

1014
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 2: of your kills. We climbex and culminate thoughts on rainbow road.

1015
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 2: I think, No, I agree. I think thematically, it's pretty simple.

1016
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,840
Speaker 2: I think it is an exercise in rigidity. Yeah, you

1017
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 2: know what I mean. I think you're right. I think

1018
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 2: maybe Mario Kart has grown beyond it. I think maybe

1019
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 2: it should be a sort of thing.

1020
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:29,480
Speaker 1: It feels like it hasn't adapted.

1021
00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: It feels like it should be a starting point, you

1022
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like it should be the thing

1023
00:49:32,440 --> 00:49:36,360
Speaker 2: that you sort of start with. So, yeah, I agree

1024
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,080
Speaker 2: with that. I'm also really bad at Mario Kart. So

1025
00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,200
Speaker 2: the fact that you can just fall off. Yeah, were

1026
00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 2: you ever good? Like?

1027
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:41,840
Speaker 1: Were you good when it was?

1028
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 2: No?

1029
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:42,799
Speaker 1: No, it wasn't.

1030
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:45,719
Speaker 2: It wasn't my girl. I was a Smash pros queen.

1031
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 2: I Smash Brothers. That was when it was on GameCube. Yeah, yeah,

1032
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 2: Smashros Melee is Yeah.

1033
00:49:51,239 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 1: Smash Bros Melee was the height. And I'm going to

1034
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 1: say this right now, there was a time tell me

1035
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: when no one could beat me Smash Brothers Melee. When

1036
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 1: I was Falco, no one could be Wow. I actually

1037
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:09,479
Speaker 1: think at my highest capability, I was unbeatable at the game.

1038
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. We're gonna test it right now. No,

1039
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 1: oh my god, I would love bring Do you think that?

1040
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 1: Do you think you could you smash meleed? I did?

1041
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 1: Who did you play with? Kirby's Kirby Maine. See, here's

1042
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 1: the thing about Kirby. Tell me it feels a little

1043
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 1: basic at first, But then here's the thing. The thing

1044
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,880
Speaker 1: about basic is it's because it's good, exactly, And Kirby

1045
00:50:29,200 --> 00:50:32,520
Speaker 1: has an unbeatable recovery when they've been knocked away exactly

1046
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 1: that puff puff Puff puff puff all the way back.

1047
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: It's about like having the mobility, it's about having Yeah, yes,

1048
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:40,480
Speaker 2: a lot of options.

1049
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:42,879
Speaker 1: Were you someone that when you played as Kirby you

1050
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,400
Speaker 1: utilize the B feature where they could suck up and

1051
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:47,560
Speaker 1: then uh use the power of the other person or

1052
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,759
Speaker 1: do you rely on other moves? I tended to rely

1053
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 1: on other moves.

1054
00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 2: I would usually use that like if I were if

1055
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 2: you were playing like Lives and let's say I had

1056
00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:56,360
Speaker 2: one more life than the other person, I would suicide it.

1057
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 1: So I'd suck you in and then I'd drop off.

1058
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,520
Speaker 1: Got it? You would sue it sided.

1059
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 2: Oh that's like an iconic wait, yeah that was That

1060
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 2: would be like my finisher on that image of like

1061
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,600
Speaker 2: just death. Yeah, there's nothing on this like you do win. Yeah,

1062
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 2: oh wow, that's amazing. I used to turn into a

1063
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:16,440
Speaker 2: rock a lot a lot, Yeah, a little rock, little

1064
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:17,760
Speaker 2: little ball.

1065
00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: And I was, I was really I'm a big with

1066
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 1: the A move. I'm I'm like doing hand to handcock.

1067
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.

1068
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 2: But with Falco his up and B move, the is

1069
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: that where he like zoomed, Yeah that thing unbeatable.

1070
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: That was really good. Yeah, I mean I have perfect

1071
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,560
Speaker 1: pitch for Super Smash Brothers and that's actually really cold.

1072
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: Number eighteen I have Matt has perfect pitch for Super

1073
00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 1: Smash Brothers. Wow, can you give me the side peach

1074
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: hip bump? Can you reference it? It's the yeah, all right,

1075
00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: and that how she started. I think it's that. Remember

1076
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: this falcon falcon kick falcon kick? Oh wow, that was good,

1077
00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,840
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I did play that fucking a

1078
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: lot too. Yeah. He was also good.

1079
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 2: He just he he like he was so fast. Yeah,

1080
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 2: he was so moved, those muscular little limbs.

1081
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: Really really good. God he was.

1082
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,400
Speaker 2: I like hated him, but I also was horny culture

1083
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 2: horny for him. Did you ever figure out what the

1084
00:52:13,080 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 2: deal with Samus was?

1085
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:16,760
Speaker 1: Like? That she was she was a woman.

1086
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: When I found out that Samich was a woman, I

1087
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:20,880
Speaker 2: was like, first of all, Sleigh, And I remember I

1088
00:52:20,920 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 2: said first of all Sleigh and that was the first

1089
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:26,440
Speaker 2: to ever say it. Yeah, but that was really wild

1090
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 2: and then but like almost too advanced.

1091
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:30,680
Speaker 1: Also, remember Ness never.

1092
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:33,440
Speaker 2: Could plays No, I couldn't either, And I just I

1093
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 2: don't know he little ship head.

1094
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: I didn't.

1095
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 2: I hated his vibes, didn't like his vibes at all,

1096
00:52:38,920 --> 00:52:41,279
Speaker 2: didn't know where he was from. God yeah, like his

1097
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:44,759
Speaker 2: little hometown. But also it's just give one thing, you know.

1098
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: Like edit edit, like he's a magic boy, right, it

1099
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: looks the way he looks. Yeah, it's like it's like

1100
00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: where your hat normal? I don't know. Also, ice climbers,

1101
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: I don't think so, honey.

1102
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 2: And also like I don't know why did they get

1103
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:00,120
Speaker 2: to be two and we all had to be one?

1104
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: That's the thing too, is just like and now I'm

1105
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,879
Speaker 1: confused because I'm like, uh, and then you could lose one,

1106
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 1: and then you were just climber, and.

1107
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,200
Speaker 2: Then you were just a singular like una culturista, like

1108
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:14,360
Speaker 2: una cultureista, like la culturista, and then I'm a drift.

1109
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,360
Speaker 1: But one thing I'll say was I really liked the

1110
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:20,879
Speaker 1: Ice Climbers and the Rihanna Super Bowl performance. I thought

1111
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: they were doing great work there. I thought they were

1112
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,080
Speaker 1: amazing and they're really good dancers. I didn't want to

1113
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: play them in Super Smash, but I loved them as

1114
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: there was Yeah, like there was a it was a

1115
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,920
Speaker 1: Smash Bros. Platform. It was literally sup. It was giving

1116
00:53:32,920 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: Pokemon Stadium level of Super Smash Brothers. Rihanna, who was

1117
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:41,040
Speaker 1: very giving, very SAMs versus a million Ice Climbers. Okay,

1118
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: but that's like I would play that. Yeah, like in

1119
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:46,040
Speaker 1: a world where they decided to stop fighting and also

1120
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: just dance Supersmaths Steves will be really good, you know,

1121
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: Oh my God, like Rihanna versus Gaga versus Katie Perry

1122
00:53:54,760 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 1: versus Wait, this is unfortunately something I'm gonna think.

1123
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 2: Oh wait, I think this can happen, honestly, Like I

1124
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 2: was just gonna say, I mean, think about what powers

1125
00:54:06,080 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 2: one of them has.

1126
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: But I'm not gonna go there. Off Mike, I'm gonna okay,

1127
00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: great because I want to know. I'm gonna tell you. Okay,

1128
00:54:13,160 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 1: So here's the deal. One thing I know we're gonna

1129
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,720
Speaker 1: hear on Mike is Zaye Phillips is. I don't think Sobney,

1130
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,759
Speaker 1: do you have something to say? I do?

1131
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,799
Speaker 2: Wait, can im pee first? Yeah, I'm like, and this

1132
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:29,560
Speaker 2: is we're gonna sew to break go pe get your

1133
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:30,440
Speaker 2: head together.

1134
00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:41,839
Speaker 1: And we're back. And now that you've peede and you're

1135
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 1: totally your bladder is empty. And yeah, I just know

1136
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: because this is gonna upset some people. So shit, all right,

1137
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:48,759
Speaker 1: I'm not normal.

1138
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:51,360
Speaker 2: I'm not normally like a hater, but for some reason,

1139
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 2: this is the only thing that really spoke to me.

1140
00:54:54,040 --> 00:54:56,839
Speaker 1: Let's go all right, this is Zay Phillips' I don't

1141
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,480
Speaker 1: think so, honey. His time starts now.

1142
00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 2: I don't think so honey soon. I don't believe in you.

1143
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:05,360
Speaker 2: I think you are too thin to be a meal.

1144
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:09,319
Speaker 2: That's right, Yeah, yeah, I think I want to eat

1145
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:13,320
Speaker 2: bread or cheese or meats, but instead you are a liquid.

1146
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 2: You know, it's a liquid. Drinks, beverages. Maybe if you

1147
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:18,480
Speaker 2: were in a cup, we could talk, but no, I

1148
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: have to eat you with the spoon. You know how

1149
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,360
Speaker 2: hard that is. I am always dribbling it down my face.

1150
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,239
Speaker 1: My god. Right, have your spilled soup. It's like it

1151
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 1: goes everywhere. Once you spill soup, it's done. When you

1152
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,279
Speaker 1: skill soup, you are done. Right.

1153
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 2: Think about the soups that are actually kind of good, right,

1154
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 2: Tomato soup only good because you get a grilled cheese

1155
00:55:35,200 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 2: with it. French onion soup because basically the same thing.

1156
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,759
Speaker 2: It's like a little grilled cheese on top. Chowders and

1157
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 2: stews also okay. But the thing is, if you're just

1158
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 2: gonna give me broth, no, mama, I could put actual

1159
00:55:48,680 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 2: food in the sink and put some water in it,

1160
00:55:51,080 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 2: and it's dish water.

1161
00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:56,360
Speaker 1: That's what soup. Second, I don't think so, honey, Oh

1162
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: my god, that is one minute. I have to tell you,

1163
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 1: as one soup's biggest fans, you came to the wrong place.

1164
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 2: I know, I know a nice A lot of people

1165
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 2: would be mad. This is gonna shake the world. And

1166
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 2: also Bowen isn't here to stick up for stew. But

1167
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:13,080
Speaker 2: the way you were like you're okay about stew was

1168
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,920
Speaker 2: also not okay. I just think when you're hungry, and

1169
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:17,880
Speaker 2: let's talk a two about the fact that it's a

1170
00:56:17,920 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 2: seasonal food, right, I don't want it in the summer

1171
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 2: unless oh you want.

1172
00:56:22,200 --> 00:56:24,120
Speaker 1: Hot insara soup last night cold soup.

1173
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,640
Speaker 2: You want gaspacho. I don't believe in gaspacho. I don't

1174
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:29,799
Speaker 2: know it's watered down tomato sauce. Sorry, I'm still going

1175
00:56:29,800 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 2: on one minute.

1176
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,520
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Like, and I also I'm shook by

1177
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: you being like, okay, here are the good soups and

1178
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:37,879
Speaker 1: then you said tomato soup. You know that you could

1179
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: get a really rich protein soup. I would raise you, like,

1180
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,000
Speaker 1: get a hearty chicken noodle, get a fucking good ass

1181
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: Manhattan clam, big old chunks of clam.

1182
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: And all the good things about soup are the things

1183
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 2: that are not the soup. It's the chicken's the things

1184
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,480
Speaker 2: that are. I just put it in a strainer and

1185
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: I'm happy.

1186
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: But you're not a broth king.

1187
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 2: I don't like Why am I being forced to like slurp?

1188
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 2: It feels extraneous?

1189
00:57:02,800 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: Okay, can I say something though, I'm gonna make it personal.

1190
00:57:05,800 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 1: You're a big boy, you require a lot, so maybe

1191
00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:10,400
Speaker 1: it's like you would have to eat a lot of

1192
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: soup to feel full.

1193
00:57:12,239 --> 00:57:14,480
Speaker 2: That too, that too, and I and yeah, I think

1194
00:57:14,520 --> 00:57:18,920
Speaker 2: I am maybe yeah, this is just really personal. I

1195
00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 2: guess I am in front of you. Yeah, No, you're right.

1196
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 1: I just think like, no, soup is gonna fill the

1197
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 1: hole inside of you. And I've tried. I've tried to

1198
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 1: pour soup into the hole. And can I say that's

1199
00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:33,760
Speaker 1: a real culture number forty.

1200
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,680
Speaker 2: No, soup is gonna fill the hole inside of you?

1201
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 1: No.

1202
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's also that's also a little bit it.

1203
00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 2: I just feel like soup culture was not meant for me.

1204
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: You know, I feel.

1205
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,400
Speaker 2: Again a chowder A chowder is is Okay, I'll do

1206
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,400
Speaker 2: that because it really is just like creamed corn.

1207
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,240
Speaker 1: You know. Wow, you know, I think I have a

1208
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 1: special connection to soup. And this is going to go

1209
00:57:55,280 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: back to childhood, and I'm going to reveal this. When

1210
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 1: I was little, school lunches were really hard for me.

1211
00:58:01,800 --> 00:58:03,760
Speaker 1: I had like a little bit of a food phobia.

1212
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: It's weird, but I would only eat stuff that my

1213
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 1: mom made. Whenever I went over to my friend's houses

1214
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,160
Speaker 1: and their mom's cooked, it was always a panic moment

1215
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: for me. I would have like little panic attacks when

1216
00:58:14,280 --> 00:58:16,680
Speaker 1: their dishes would smell weird, right, Just like I was

1217
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: a very picky eater in a way that was like

1218
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 1: problematic when I got to a certain point, Like I

1219
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:23,600
Speaker 1: wouldn't eat all day and then be sick when I

1220
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 1: got home, Like it was really bad. Yeah. So the

1221
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:29,040
Speaker 1: way that I got comfortable eating at school because I

1222
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,720
Speaker 1: could not eat the hot lunches, I don't know what

1223
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,200
Speaker 1: this was. Maybe it was like an early anxiety thing

1224
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm certain that's what it was. But when

1225
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: I found that I could put soup in a thermis

1226
00:58:41,560 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: and then eat it at school, I could have like hot,

1227
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:50,720
Speaker 1: really comforting warm soup in a thermis, then I started

1228
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: eating at school lunch. And so maybe that's why I

1229
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 1: have this affinity for soup to this day, and you

1230
00:58:56,680 --> 00:58:58,960
Speaker 1: can catch me any day of the week enjoying soup.

1231
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:02,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think what it's showing is that

1232
00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 2: like the only way to enjoy soup is to like

1233
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:07,520
Speaker 2: have soup addressed trauma.

1234
00:59:07,720 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow. Maybe I'm just I'm.

1235
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 2: Just I'm just throwing things out there, Like I think

1236
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 2: this is why we're friends, because we can really challenge

1237
00:59:12,800 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 2: each other. Exactly have you ever had chicken tortilla soup?

1238
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 2: Your hot okay, chicken tortilla soup. Let's talk about how

1239
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:20,280
Speaker 2: you put the tortilla chips in the soup.

1240
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: So crazy to me that you love hot coffee and

1241
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: then with soup you're like, no, Well, because that's the

1242
00:59:25,120 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: thing I think you started. Here's here's the thing.

1243
00:59:27,640 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 2: Maybe if we started a full cultural revolution where we

1244
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:35,120
Speaker 2: called we like, put soups more in like a beverage arena,

1245
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,040
Speaker 2: because we already drink like bloody Mary's right, and that's

1246
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 2: and that's essentially soup, you know, So maybe we started.

1247
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:44,360
Speaker 1: I always say, a good bloody marry is a lunch exactly, yeah, exactly.

1248
00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 2: So maybe so maybe if we started calling them more

1249
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 2: like in the beverage sphere, you know the way, and

1250
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:52,080
Speaker 2: some people drink like bone broth, which.

1251
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's like that's diet culture.

1252
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:57,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean that's I don't know, maybe soup

1253
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: just feels like diet culture.

1254
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: Oh and that's why you're like mm hmmm, I don't know.

1255
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why I like it is because I feel

1256
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: like I can have a full meal that is soup

1257
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,080
Speaker 1: and no one can say you didn't eat a full meal,

1258
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: but you're not. I've also been eating really over the

1259
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: past three days for some reason, like I've really fallen

1260
01:00:12,680 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 1: off and like ordered some shitty things for myself late

1261
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,320
Speaker 1: at night because I'm not going out right now because

1262
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm like saving my voice for a reason I can't

1263
01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: reveal yet. But like so I'm just trying to be

1264
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:25,520
Speaker 1: good and I've been in my house and like when

1265
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,840
Speaker 1: I'm alone at home, I order the nastiest things for

1266
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: myself because no one can see me. And I'm like

1267
01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 1: feeling like I need to get back to clean eating.

1268
01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 1: What's nasty for you? Last night I had a whole pizza. Okay,

1269
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,600
Speaker 1: that's not the nastiest. Also, like the summer and I'm like,

1270
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,720
Speaker 1: I'm eating a pizza.

1271
01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:46,840
Speaker 2: That was such a dark sentence. You know, well listen, well,

1272
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:48,280
Speaker 2: I think you know pizzas are so thin.

1273
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: Not this one. It was so good, it was so thick.

1274
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: It was so much cheese.

1275
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,520
Speaker 2: Listen though, get this. You know what I say, eat

1276
01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:57,760
Speaker 2: the pizza. Yeah, I say, eat the pizza too. I say, like,

1277
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:02,919
Speaker 2: eat what you want. You know my obviously like, don't

1278
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 2: let me dissuade you from eating soup.

1279
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: Oh I won't. Can I say something? You will never

1280
01:01:09,960 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: dissuade me from eating soup? Wow? And next time, next

1281
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:14,960
Speaker 1: time we enjoyed each other for a meal, which happens

1282
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 1: quite frequently, I'm gonna eat soup in front of you. Okay.

1283
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:20,120
Speaker 1: I just can't believe you're closed off to a food

1284
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: you have such a palette.

1285
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:22,800
Speaker 2: Let me tell you, I've eaten a lot of soup

1286
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 2: in my life. It's just it's frustrating. It's so frustrating.

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Speaker 1: So can be so frustrating, so can be so frustrating.

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Speaker 1: I'm just tired. I'm just tired of having to deal

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Speaker 1: with it.

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Speaker 2: I'm tired of having it be like something that if

1291
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Speaker 2: you go for someone's place and they're like, yeah, I

1292
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Speaker 2: mad dinner, and it's soup and You're just like, but

1293
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 2: what about food?

1294
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 1: You know what? Though to me it means they didn't

1295
01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 1: fuck it up because you can't fuck up soup. And

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01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 1: if you fucked up soup, then you fucked up. Then

1297
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,880
Speaker 1: you've done a lot. Yeah. Yeah, you just throw some

1298
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: things in a broth. And also it's like, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm a soup lover and I usually love soup. Wow.

1300
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Speaker 1: So this episode ended up being a think. We talked

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01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: about the state of reality. We talked about queer camaraderie.

1302
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,439
Speaker 1: We talked about the challenging ways in which the new

1303
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: ways we're seeing queerness depicting on can challenge even the

1304
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:14,760
Speaker 1: queerest among us, those who felt we had ourselves figured

1305
01:02:14,800 --> 01:02:18,360
Speaker 1: out we was giving was giving NPR. I mean like

1306
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,800
Speaker 1: and I I I just want to say that I

1307
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:24,520
Speaker 1: don't think soup is terry gross. I think it's terry good.

1308
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Speaker 1: And with that comedic jem I say, we do end

1309
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Speaker 1: every episode with the song thank you so much for

1310
01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:35,080
Speaker 1: being here. Oh my god, no, thank you for having me.

1311
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:38,520
Speaker 1: Truly what a what a delight? I mean a true reader,

1312
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: true and that he actually reads books and things that

1313
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: are not books.

1314
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 2: And whatever I can like oral podcasts, yes, or podcast,

1315
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:48,480
Speaker 2: don't if I do.

1316
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Speaker 3: Sometimes iron, Sometimes I hide. Sometimes I'm scared of you,

1317
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 3: but all I really want is to you tied.

1318
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,760
Speaker 1: I was bravely giving the Britney version. I know well

1319
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: I I mean it was you and I'm just I'm

1320
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:08,080
Speaker 1: just support. Here's what you please, that'd be just a

1321
01:03:08,080 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 1: fighting Here's the Moona version.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes I run, Sometimes I hid, Sometimes I'm scared.

1323
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Speaker 1: You no bridge, but all I really want is too

1324
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,440
Speaker 1: old you tie. I love. They didn't No bridge, cheese,

1325
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 1: You're right, see you in your day and night time. Wow,

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Speaker 1: the bassoon came out. I saw you period. Bye