WEBVTT - Eric Dawkins 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:05.000 R and B Money. 0:00:05.559 --> 0:00:06.040 We are. 0:00:07.680 --> 0:00:10.360 Thanks take vologized. 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:15.720 We are the authority on all things R. 0:00:15.680 --> 0:00:18.160 And B, ladies and gentleman. 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:21.760 My name is Tank and this is the Army Money Podcast, 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:29.400 the authority on all things R and B. Ah, My, my, my, 0:00:29.400 --> 0:00:35.800 my my on today. If you are struggling in your 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:40.559 vocal dexterity, Uh, there's a man. You're singing from the 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:44.360 wrong place. If you are singing from the wrong place, 0:00:45.520 --> 0:00:52.200 If your lyrics are malnourished and have no meaty depth 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:59.240 to them, if your production needs spiced so that the 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.800 masses can cater to that, what you do. 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:07.319 If you need a man to get you on a level. 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.880 Amen, whether it be gospel, whether it be R and B, 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:12.880 whether it be. 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:16.440 Pop Katie pop, pop. 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:22.440 Poppa Diddy pop, pop rocks, whatever it is, We've got 0:01:22.480 --> 0:01:26.040 a man and his name as Eric. 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:34.759 Wow Wow talkings. 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:37.160 All I got to say is, I don't think I've 0:01:37.319 --> 0:01:42.640 ever in my fifty plus ears hurt somebody intro me 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:47.080 like that. Ever, I know you, brother, Ever, I know 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:51.280 you and uh you know we we we family, you know, you. 0:01:51.200 --> 0:01:54.760 Know trenches. 0:01:55.800 --> 0:01:59.560 Over and I'm talking like you know this this for 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:05.480 me goes back, you know, to being a kid and 0:02:05.720 --> 0:02:08.359 listening to you and your brother Wow, you know what 0:02:08.440 --> 0:02:10.880 I mean, and studying. 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.079 And like what is that? 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:15.960 Who is that? 0:02:16.400 --> 0:02:18.919 And studying that voice? You know what I mean? 0:02:19.200 --> 0:02:22.839 And and then to to one day finally meet you, 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.440 and and then for it to go even further to 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.520 us to begin to have a working relationship with then 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:30.480 the brotherhood. 0:02:31.960 --> 0:02:33.440 It's been. It's been pretty awesome. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:33.639 Bro. 0:02:34.680 --> 0:02:38.240 I want you to know that, you know that is 0:02:38.280 --> 0:02:40.640 not taken for granted. You know, I always call you 0:02:40.720 --> 0:02:42.680 my sense you know what I'm saying, Like we we 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:45.480 always used to get in there and shad and go 0:02:45.639 --> 0:02:48.640 vocal for vocal and then everybody everybody ain't able. 0:02:48.760 --> 0:02:49.320 Yeah everybody. 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:51.680 Well, you know at my album release party, you you 0:02:51.680 --> 0:02:55.320 you definitely you know, you know, showed up as the teacher. 0:02:55.360 --> 0:02:57.200 You know what I'm saying. I mean, it's my album release. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:01.040 It's a backpack on show with a backroom. Man, I 0:03:01.080 --> 0:03:02.600 got this my album release. 0:03:02.639 --> 0:03:03.320 I got more of my. 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:08.240 Back ye, nigga, I'm backpack. Keep it back. You know, 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:09.640 the shine is supposed to be on me. 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:14.160 Some people keep a pistol, a bag of people, keep. 0:03:14.080 --> 0:03:14.839 A vocal. 0:03:16.120 --> 0:03:21.080 A bag of Keep listen when I say you kicked 0:03:21.120 --> 0:03:22.160 our ass that night. 0:03:22.880 --> 0:03:26.000 It was so crazy because I think Jamie knew you 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:30.120 could sing, but I don't think he knew that you 0:03:30.120 --> 0:03:31.560 were going to do all of that. 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:33.760 You know, some niggas take an injury. 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:36.800 He put his hamstring drunk. 0:03:42.720 --> 0:03:45.800 Don't give me in like, I don't think, well, like this, 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.119 Jamie pulled the hams drag everybody on that line. 0:03:50.160 --> 0:03:51.800 It was like this, I don't, I don't know, I'm 0:03:51.800 --> 0:03:52.520 not doing another. 0:03:52.640 --> 0:03:54.240 And it was just like it was one of those 0:03:54.240 --> 0:04:00.240 moments where I was just like, man, listen, I'm I'm 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.560 humbled all the time. Like I don't think I've ever 0:04:03.640 --> 0:04:07.200 gotten used to people giving me that, you know what 0:04:07.200 --> 0:04:09.640 I'm saying, And that just comes from my upbringing. But 0:04:10.040 --> 0:04:12.520 and it's because singing is what I love to do, 0:04:12.960 --> 0:04:17.159 is my passion, It's my gift. And the definition of 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:19.680 a gift is something that you give away. So me 0:04:19.839 --> 0:04:23.000 giving it like that, it is just like that's what I'm. 0:04:23.720 --> 0:04:33.320 Giving these singers, these vocals business. 0:04:35.240 --> 0:04:37.479 But no, it's that that's just you know, and then 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:42.440 being being in I will say this and covenant with 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:45.040 with people like you that that I know I can 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:49.240 share with whenever we're together. It's the iron sharpens iron 0:04:49.800 --> 0:04:52.720 as long as it touches like we were that. So 0:04:53.200 --> 0:04:55.880 I appreciate you for being being who you are. 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:57.200 Yeah. 0:04:57.360 --> 0:05:00.600 Absolutely. And this guy, you know, I I met Jay 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.520 before I met all, y'all. I met him at the 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.839 barber shop. Yeah, Kenny was cutting his hand like this 0:05:06.839 --> 0:05:12.280 is pretty nigga. We just waved and pretty on. 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:15.080 This nigga, don't nigga, ain't got no clippers though. 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:20.200 Set the sars out. 0:05:22.560 --> 0:05:33.680 Her was ollive oil and glistening on man man. Kenny 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.120 introduced us and and told me who he was. I'm like, 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:39.920 that's what's up like, and we like from that moment, 0:05:40.480 --> 0:05:41.960 like we didn't see each other for a minute, but 0:05:42.000 --> 0:05:45.400 whenever we did reconnect, I went back to that moment. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:47.520 It was like this was he was a real real 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:48.680 down brother something. You know. 0:05:49.040 --> 0:05:52.440 It was all from then and we've been family from 0:05:52.520 --> 0:05:56.640 day one. So plus yeah, we twenty plus that's crazy. 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:00.760 I met you at the fred Hammer Concept con at 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:02.880 Faithful Central when I was at the forum, like I 0:06:02.920 --> 0:06:05.599 was fanning out, like I didn't want to say nothing, 0:06:05.680 --> 0:06:09.200 like yo, that's tank, let's take right there. 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:13.040 I mean, we ended up meeting them like. 0:06:14.200 --> 0:06:18.080 Let's take you take take it. 0:06:18.720 --> 0:06:19.320 It's crazy. 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:21.760 The hints of time. 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:27.760 Well the first time, you know, I love this question. 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.640 Somebody said to you, but you said to yourself, Oh 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:32.039 I got some. 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:33.680 It was you know. 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:36.000 Me and Anson wrote and co wrote like three songs 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:37.119 on Commission number seven. 0:06:37.760 --> 0:06:39.159 No Way the. 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:42.880 First the first song on the album second Chance, and 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:46.560 me and Anson wrote that song as we were driving. 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:47.920 Are getting on My Nerves? 0:06:48.000 --> 0:06:50.159 No, literally we were now we were driving to act 0:06:50.480 --> 0:06:56.120 for a concert. I just worked out to the seventh album, 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.720 maybe like two weeks ago. We were driving literally driving 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:04.080 to Achering for Commission concert and we we had done 0:07:04.080 --> 0:07:08.720 the track. We've done the track, and I did the 0:07:08.760 --> 0:07:10.920 track and of course Fred you know he does his 0:07:11.160 --> 0:07:12.000 stuff on top of it. 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:13.800 That was my track, like. 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:20.480 And he he did his Fred Hammon things. Look yeah, 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:21.920 oh my godness, I. 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:32.440 Was fucking question. Second you are crazy dead Seriously. 0:07:32.440 --> 0:07:34.440 We wrote it on the way to achron like it 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:37.320 was a two hour drive from where we lived, and 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:42.840 wrote the lyrics and then the second song, the crazy 0:07:42.880 --> 0:07:46.040 part was answering used to be the lyric guy with 0:07:46.080 --> 0:07:48.760 me and like I would do the tracks, answer, We'll 0:07:48.800 --> 0:07:50.280 come up with the lyrics. Because that's just what he did. 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:55.280 So we're going into the studio to do number seven 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:56.840 with him, because we're singing on the whole thing, like 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:03.160 background and everything. And I brought a track that they 0:08:03.280 --> 0:08:07.960 loved and Fred was like, Okay, go ahead and write it. Like, no, 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:10.600 I don't, that's not that's not that's not for me 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:13.400 answering rights to the lyrics. She's like, no, man, you 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:16.520 can do it. And I literally, to this day, I 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:22.000 give Fred Hammond credit for me being the lyrical guy 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:23.640 that I am because he pushed me. 0:08:25.280 --> 0:08:26.440 I had. 0:08:26.840 --> 0:08:29.280 I might give answered a couple of ideas, but sitting 0:08:29.320 --> 0:08:32.240 down and pinning a verse or a hook that was 0:08:32.440 --> 0:08:34.240 my thing. I was like, let me just let me 0:08:34.240 --> 0:08:37.360 make the track hot, and so he put me in 0:08:37.400 --> 0:08:39.800 this room. I was scared out of my mind, like 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.199 what am I gonna do? Studio A in Dearborn, Michigan. 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:49.200 And so what I did because I was so afraid 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.840 of it being not accepted. I didn't want to be rejected. 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:54.960 They already loved the track, so I knew the track 0:08:55.040 --> 0:08:57.720 was gonna be whatever it was, and I can't. 0:08:57.760 --> 0:08:59.280 I wrote like two different. 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.720 Versions of this song, and I said, let me sing 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:05.960 them the one I feel like it is the dumbest, 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:07.959 so they don't take it and just let answer do it. 0:09:09.960 --> 0:09:12.840 I came out. 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:16.440 Here the lean I've been thinking about you and the 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:21.920 way you make me feel inside, and that in that 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.400 the moment feel that I can't a high. 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:28.679 That song turned out to be I Can't Live without You? 0:09:28.720 --> 0:09:30.120 Are you kidding me? Literally? 0:09:32.720 --> 0:09:34.240 I can't live without you? 0:09:34.440 --> 0:09:37.520 I can't live, I can't live. 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:41.840 I can't live y'all? Yeah, that was that was the song. 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.080 I was twenty I just turned twenty one, but the 0:09:45.160 --> 0:09:52.720 track was like, you know, I was on my Roger 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:58.079 Troutman kidding and what gave me the inspiration? We used 0:09:58.120 --> 0:10:02.640 to fun fact come when we toured. The tour busses 0:10:02.640 --> 0:10:06.240 that they used were the Troutman's buses. It was too big, 0:10:06.280 --> 0:10:08.040 blue and this maroon bus and one of them had 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.600 like some studio equipment on it whatever and fly busses 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:11.079 back then. 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:11.400 M C. 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:16.120 Yeah. So yeah, me and Ansen we toured with Commission. 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:21.120 Like when Fred heard our demo, he hired He literally 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.000 hired us on the spot. We were at Fred's house 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:25.320 in Detroit. Somebody took us over there and we played 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.800 a demo that we had done and we were just 0:10:28.840 --> 0:10:32.000 like we just thought we was gonna do a record 0:10:32.080 --> 0:10:34.080 or whatever. He's like, I need y'all to be in 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.440 the band, So he hired us, and this this might 0:10:37.480 --> 0:10:40.760 be even a little messy. He hired us without talking 0:10:40.760 --> 0:10:46.440 to the other guys, like I'm playing keys and answers, 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:49.320 playing the drum machine and programming stuff for the show 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:58.599 because uh, Max, Max Frank was he was m drums, 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:02.079 Mike William, Mike William yeah, yeah. And then we had 0:11:02.240 --> 0:11:04.440 we had a couple of the keyboard players, Eddie Howard, 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:08.640 who was a phenomenal keyboard player. He was one of 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.200 the keyboards. So it's me Eddie Howard and Max. I 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:15.760 was doing oxkis like just you know, filling in here 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.800 and there whatever and singing background. So we sang like 0:11:19.040 --> 0:11:21.079 on the road. We were part of the part of 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.439 the vocals for the band. When what year was from 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:25.640 ninety to like ninety four? 0:11:26.640 --> 0:11:28.520 Wow, yeah, we were on the road with him. 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:32.439 I had to have seen you because meantime, y'all, you 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.040 used to come to evangel Church in in DC. 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:36.679 Yeah yeah, but yeah, we toured. 0:11:36.400 --> 0:11:39.160 With them for like the better part of three years, 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:42.199 and that gave us our start, like. 0:11:42.400 --> 0:11:44.720 He was the first person to tell you, guys, he was. 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.640 That was That was where we we figured it out 0:11:47.679 --> 0:11:50.520 because we had a couple a couple of bands that 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:53.880 we sang in locally in Ohio that they were they 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:57.360 were cool with being local or even regional, but we 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:00.720 had we had other other ideas. Our vision was a 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:06.680 lot bigger than Ohio. So we killed those two groups. 0:12:06.880 --> 0:12:09.240 Was like, we'll just do it ourselves. And Fred actually 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:11.480 wanted us to be a part of a four a 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:15.240 four person group like two girls and two guys. And 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.640 if you know what Fred's company is called face to face. 0:12:18.720 --> 0:12:21.360 Face to face was the name of our group. It 0:12:21.400 --> 0:12:23.120 was me answering these two. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:26.600 Girls and the company the group. 0:12:26.640 --> 0:12:27.520 No, it was the name of the group. 0:12:27.520 --> 0:12:31.240 First first we didn't have the company, so the group 0:12:31.280 --> 0:12:33.520 situation didn't really pan out, so it just ended up 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.920 being me and answer. And so he took the names 0:12:37.000 --> 0:12:40.199 like she call y'all something else. And Fred actually the 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.959 one that came up with Dawkins and Dawkins Wow, and 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:48.280 it's stuck, like so Fred can he can be credited 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:53.640 for discovering Dawkins and Dawkins like that is that is 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:56.240 Fred is my sensey, Like I tell people all the time, 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.400 Fred is that's who I studied. Fred put me on too, 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:03.840 Donnie at the way, So I started studying Donnie. Of 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.840 course I loved Charlie Wilson, you know, but I get 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:13.480 my bass. It's Fred Handy. Yeah, I can see that. 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.520 That's my base because you can sound like you can. 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:19.800 You can him in front of him, and it kind 0:13:19.800 --> 0:13:22.120 of one time. I think it annoyed him because he 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:28.679 had to look on his face like I did so well, but. 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.360 You're in the band wood if you listening to every day. 0:13:31.480 --> 0:13:35.080 Yeah, but that's when he has a weird gift to 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:39.960 where he can just do not like him. No, you guys, 0:13:40.559 --> 0:13:46.960 y'all here, ya can recreate bro. I'm listening to Tyree's demos. 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:49.720 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I know exactly. 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:52.400 Yeah yeah. And I'm literally looking at Tyr like I'm like, 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.520 so when, so when are you not singing? Or when 0:13:56.600 --> 0:14:02.160 is Eric singing? Or so you can and He's like, 0:14:02.480 --> 0:14:07.240 I didn't see any of the Eric, and then so 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:12.200 I would start listening really hard for for the cuts. 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:14.400 Yeah, in the movements. 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:19.000 That's that's the only way that's the difference, because you, 0:14:19.320 --> 0:14:21.000 I mean when you're when you're dead on him, you'll 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:22.920 you'll you'll try to slide like. 0:14:22.960 --> 0:14:25.200 Him a little bit. But you can't help. I can't 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.240 help being. I can't help being. 0:14:27.600 --> 0:14:30.160 You know what I'm saying. You can't help. You can't 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:32.680 you can't help. You know what I'm saying. That's what 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:38.800 you can't do that. It's crazy, He'll He'll tell you. 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.040 I can say this. There's some records that are out 0:14:42.440 --> 0:14:47.440 right now that you you don't even know where. I'm 0:14:47.520 --> 0:14:50.880 still singing it. I can believe it. Yeah, just certain 0:14:50.960 --> 0:14:52.600 certain little things, certain little things. 0:14:53.040 --> 0:14:58.920 Sauce job easier. 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:05.000 No, we're going to keep that, he says. 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.040 We do duets anyway, Like he tells, I have. 0:15:08.000 --> 0:15:08.840 One duet with him. 0:15:08.920 --> 0:15:10.320 You got one? Just I like him? 0:15:10.320 --> 0:15:10.920 Girl. That's that. 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:16.880 Listen to do it. Put me on the tyres no 0:15:17.000 --> 0:15:20.120 lie like that joint. Yeah, that's that's one of that. 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:22.200 When he came out with that record, I was like. 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:26.480 Yeah, yeah, think. 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:30.800 He's a guy who was on the motorcycles. 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:44.440 Okay, okay, y'all all the background here, y'all like this feature. 0:15:45.800 --> 0:15:50.400 Said that those those experimental like voice moments are like 0:15:50.440 --> 0:15:53.680 really the collaborative voice moments. I think those those are 0:15:53.760 --> 0:15:55.680 really dope. That because even when you put sing on 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:58.680 my wrap like I need talkings on there. 0:15:59.360 --> 0:15:59.960 Yeah, you're just two. 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:03.160 We sung background together, we. 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.640 Was on even when we did when I did Birthday, 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:11.440 you know what I'm saying. I said, you sound nice. 0:16:12.440 --> 0:16:15.640 I was like no, because those vocals were from the demo, 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:20.400 purely just the demo, us, just us writing and vibing out. 0:16:20.720 --> 0:16:22.920 And he's like, no, Chief, I'm keeping these. If it 0:16:23.000 --> 0:16:24.800 were like no, bro, let me sing that again. 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:28.800 It works if it were gonna mess up the vibe. 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:32.160 But treat you like Puff. It's it's the energy Faan 0:16:32.320 --> 0:16:36.040 like you gotta love on you. It's the love on 0:16:36.080 --> 0:16:38.520 im like Puff. But that's out of scale. It don't matter. 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:43.640 Do you feel it frustrated? You feel bad about it? 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:46.240 Is that frustrating you? When you hear something, you know 0:16:46.280 --> 0:16:47.160 what it is, you know? 0:16:47.400 --> 0:16:49.520 And I had to learn this from Jay. Right, sometimes 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.680 when it's wrong, it's right. It just it just I 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:54.560 don't know why, but it is. 0:16:55.200 --> 0:16:55.400 Yeah. 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:58.000 Puff called me in to do this vocal on Jamie 0:16:58.080 --> 0:17:01.160 and he's like, I just you know, just put him 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:03.520 in the right space, right. And so when he turned 0:17:03.520 --> 0:17:06.280 the track on and I'm hearing the guy singing. I'm like, okay, 0:17:06.760 --> 0:17:08.880 I see where it's going. I said, but he's completely 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.880 singing out of scale. In the right key, but completely 0:17:11.880 --> 0:17:14.359 out of scale. I was like, I mean, fix that 0:17:14.359 --> 0:17:15.960 because I don't want my boy Jamie out here and 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:19.080 makes my ears hurt. Oh man, it makes me so 0:17:19.240 --> 0:17:22.040 I wanted to I want my boy to go out bad. 0:17:23.240 --> 0:17:25.720 Let me fix it. So I fixed it, makes the adjustments. 0:17:25.960 --> 0:17:28.719 Jamie comes in. I'm like, let's go start vocal producing them. 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:31.920 Puff comes back and he's listening. He's like, stopter four second. 0:17:31.960 --> 0:17:36.360 He says, so, what are you changing it? I was like, 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:38.480 you know, I'm not changing it. I was like, I'm 0:17:38.520 --> 0:17:40.600 just fixing it. And he's like, what do you What 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:42.840 did he fixing? I was like, well, it's out of scale. 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.080 He's like, I don't even know what that means, play boy. 0:17:45.119 --> 0:17:51.240 I'm just said, I said, well, it's out of scale 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:53.320 as a singer, like, I mean, if it's A. 0:17:55.160 --> 0:17:57.560 It's a major. He's singing. It seems singing in the minor. 0:17:58.080 --> 0:17:58.400 I'm saying. 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:00.359 I was like, I was like, he's it's a he said, 0:18:00.480 --> 0:18:03.159 he said, I hear you taking that, but you know, 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:04.800 it's not like you're trying to make him sound like 0:18:04.840 --> 0:18:06.399 you like I need I need him to sound like 0:18:06.440 --> 0:18:09.080 just like play the original and the original came on 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:10.720 and you know how like something when you really like 0:18:10.840 --> 0:18:13.720 you like, really danced it. He's like you feel that 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:16.480 it's got to be that. And I'm listening like this, 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:21.439 I'm like, you want that exactly said I want that. 0:18:21.560 --> 0:18:23.760 I just want Jamie on it, Like, just get Jamie 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.520 on that. And I was like, okay, okay, okay, I'll 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:27.080 be right back. 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:28.040 Throw up. 0:18:29.080 --> 0:18:31.440 You never came back. And I don't know this story, 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:35.240 but I knew he didn't. I knew he didn't go. 0:18:35.240 --> 0:18:37.200 But I have a similar story. I didn't know how 0:18:37.720 --> 0:18:39.919 how to have coached that. I have a similar story. 0:18:40.000 --> 0:18:44.000 They called me in to do vocals for Cardi B. 0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.719 He called me in to do vocals on be careful 0:18:47.760 --> 0:18:50.719 with me. First of all, it was like one o'clock 0:18:50.760 --> 0:18:54.639 in the morning, so I'm trying to I'm trying to 0:18:54.680 --> 0:18:59.200 get her to sing as as good as she can. 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.760 She's not singing, but I gave her melodically what she 0:19:02.880 --> 0:19:06.040 could do with her voice, and the producer was like, 0:19:07.720 --> 0:19:09.919 I kind of wanted to sing closer to what the 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:13.200 demo was doing, but the demo was in a male register. 0:19:13.960 --> 0:19:15.480 Like I said, well, first of all, she's not gonna 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.200 sing that low. So if you think you can. 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:20.639 Get her to sing that low, be my guest. But 0:19:20.720 --> 0:19:21.760 I don't know. 0:19:21.880 --> 0:19:25.159 I don't know how to give you her singing that. 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:29.880 And literally I just I did the same thing you did, 0:19:30.200 --> 0:19:33.960 Like I don't know what. I don't know what to 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:36.000 do with this. I'm just gonna go I'm gonna let 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.159 y'all have it. And I literally left the studio and 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:43.280 didn't come back because literally I don't necessarily know how 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:46.800 to operate my ear won't really do it. 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:57.080 We have people tell us that. 0:19:57.160 --> 0:20:02.919 Our record save it from commit suicide. Just one of 0:20:02.960 --> 0:20:07.760 those stories makes everything we went through worth it. Like literally, 0:20:07.840 --> 0:20:10.280 like a guy out of San Francisco now San Francisco, 0:20:10.359 --> 0:20:15.440 San Diego said his roommate was going through a divorce, 0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.000 it lost his job and was just he just fell 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.320 into this dark place and he locked hisself in his 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:26.400 room and would not come out for days. And so 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:30.040 he said, I slid one of you guys CD under 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:33.080 the door and told him just listen to this, and 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:35.840 literally he put that CD on and kept it on 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:41.440 repeat and ended up coming out of the room and said, 0:20:41.560 --> 0:20:44.439 this CD saved my life. Like I was literally in 0:20:44.480 --> 0:20:47.119 here trying to think of how I could end my 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:50.800 life and do when it. When I heard that, I 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:54.760 was like, yo, if I don't do another another song? 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:59.280 That right, there was the gratitude success. That's success. That's 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:02.439 definitely success, and we answering. He says it so well. 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:06.320 He used to tell people because they would ask us like, like, 0:21:06.440 --> 0:21:09.840 do you guys, what do you guys consider success? He's like, 0:21:09.880 --> 0:21:13.000 we don't measure our level of success by what we 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.080 have or what we you know, what we've accumulated. We 0:21:16.280 --> 0:21:19.560 measure our level of success by our obedience to God. 0:21:21.119 --> 0:21:22.679 If we're doing what he asked us to do or 0:21:22.720 --> 0:21:25.960 what he told us to do, that's successful to us 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:29.040 because it ain't about the cars and the houses and 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:30.800 all that kind of stuff, because none of that stuff 0:21:30.880 --> 0:21:35.840 is is eternal. So for us, it's never been about 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.720 the awards, the money, none of that stuff, obviously, because 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:43.440 you know, you're not getting rich off of doing gospel 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:46.000 if you're not really. 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:52.800 Doing you know, some other stuff. I'd say that, but okay, yeah. 0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:55.080 All right, all right, you know because use it. 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:57.560 It just would be the point where I ask, I'm 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:01.280 a mom of business. 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:02.000 No it's not. 0:22:02.080 --> 0:22:04.840 It's not everybody, but there are you know, there are 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:08.679 some some gatekeepers that you know people talk about. I've 0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:12.200 never experienced anything, but just from what people say, there's. 0:22:12.119 --> 0:22:14.960 They're not doing gospel business. 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:20.639 It's questionable. But you know, to each his own, we 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:21.960 me and what. 0:22:21.960 --> 0:22:24.600 They said about Big Reds books and the five Harties 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:26.800 about his questionable practices. 0:22:26.880 --> 0:22:32.679 Question, that's funny, the five heart beats reference. But no, 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:37.640 we we just we really pride ourselves on being as 0:22:37.840 --> 0:22:43.840 authentic and just us as we can be. Like we're 0:22:43.840 --> 0:22:46.720 not we're not following the trends. We're not trying to 0:22:46.760 --> 0:22:49.000 listen to what's going on now and make a record 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:51.280 that sounds like that. We've just always been like if 0:22:51.680 --> 0:22:54.679 music makes us feel good, then we're good. But I 0:22:54.720 --> 0:22:59.280