1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:01,800 Speaker 1: I'll give you a three two one a week ago. 2 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 2: Wait, Jennifer opened the chips now because okay, we kind 3 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,400 Speaker 2: of picked quiet snag Jennifer Dorito. 4 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 3: Okay, thank you Jesus. 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: Crunch. 6 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 2: It's gonna be the most unusual interview you've ever had 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 2: your first child host. 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: Shout out to Moses, Tameron Hall's son. He's here while 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: we're doing this interview, eating some really tink sea doritos. 10 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: So if you hear him throughout this entire interview, just 11 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: know Tamner's a working mom. She's giving us what I'd 12 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:37,440 Speaker 1: like to call a real look behind the scenes, breaking 13 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: down that fourth layer. It's hard to be working mom 14 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: in this day and age, isn't it. Anyway, You're gonna 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,840 Speaker 1: enjoy this interview with one of my she Rose Cameron Home. 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 4: It's the greatest suspension entertainment can make you win. Carry Champ. 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 4: He is going to be a champion, A champion. They 18 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 4: care with Chappie and they champion. They care with Sheppy 19 00:01:05,600 --> 00:01:07,800 Speaker 4: and they care with Sheby. Afraid of this sport and 20 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 4: entertainment and naked word. 21 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to a new edition of Naked So 22 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: I am telling you I have as you will know 23 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: because I tell you guys, ow my business moved to 24 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,959 Speaker 1: New York City, and I wanted to take that opportunity 25 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: to do some in studio interviews as opposed to doing 26 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: them over zoom. And I did that. I did that. 27 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,760 Speaker 1: I waited till I found a guest that I really 28 00:01:32,840 --> 00:01:38,399 Speaker 1: knew would be very fair and honest, funny, engaging, and 29 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 1: I found the right person, someone that I've looked up 30 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 1: to for years. So if you hear me, you know 31 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 1: beginning with effusive, effusive, not effusive effusive praise, it is 32 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:53,040 Speaker 1: because I love me. On Tamre at Hall, Ladies and gentlemen, 33 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: welcome Tamarin to Naked. 34 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:58,960 Speaker 4: Chat Champion and Care with Chappy and the Car with Chepy. 35 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,320 Speaker 1: So so tammeron Hall. This is I have to give 36 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:05,560 Speaker 1: you a story. When I usually have my guests on, 37 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: I like to tell them a story of what we 38 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,720 Speaker 1: know and what we remember. And this is still true 39 00:02:10,760 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 1: to this day. But I have always always seen myself 40 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 1: and you on television. You are so unapologetic about who 41 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: you are, and to me, that was always the north star. 42 00:02:22,600 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: And one day I was at work and a boss 43 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: came in to me, he's like you see her, do 44 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 1: you see how she just is? I was like, yes, no, 45 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: I'm in love. We already in love. I've been in 46 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: love for years and you've been nothing but generous and 47 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: kind to me. And you don't have to, so thanks. 48 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 2: I have to, but you do. Yes, I want to 49 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 2: and I have to. I mean, how could anyone not 50 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 2: support the magic that's you? I mean you you make 51 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,679 Speaker 2: it very, very easy, you know. And when I say 52 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: I have to, I believe that you're drawn to light 53 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 2: if you're lucky. Yeah, And I was drawn to you 54 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 2: instantly I saw your work. I mean, you're so gracious. 55 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 2: You have this beautiful studio that you've set up, and 56 00:03:01,680 --> 00:03:05,079 Speaker 2: you are allowing myself to crunch Dorito's just a few. 57 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: So for those of you who. 58 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 2: Are listening at doors watching, if you just saw the 59 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: next snap, that was a mom next step, because it's 60 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: just as we were starting with the beautiful intro, there 61 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 2: was a voice that's not either about rself. 62 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:18,639 Speaker 3: I mean, that's why you're magical. 63 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: I walked into this studio with my child who's on 64 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 2: spring break, who I want him to see more of 65 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 2: what I do? And do you know how many other 66 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 2: people would have panicked to watch a four year old 67 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 2: walk in with a bag of Dorito's, you know, and 68 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: you recognize life right and and what matters, what matters, 69 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: And I appreciate that very much. But as I said, 70 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 2: I I mean watching you and watching these bowl unapologetic 71 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 2: moves that you've made has been inspiring to me as well. 72 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you for saying that. That means a lot. 73 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: I don't think that we give one another our flowers. 74 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,040 Speaker 1: And I also know this is going to be in 75 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 1: this interview. By the end of this interview, we're bringing 76 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: him up here, whether you kicking inscreament, whether you want 77 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: to hang out or not, and he gonna talk. 78 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 2: About listen, he will, he will, and again you know, 79 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 2: that's the reality of life. 80 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: I swear like it's the first time. 81 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,159 Speaker 2: I'm sure you've had a dorito eating school on nearby, 82 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: But I, as I said, I've been trying to make sure. 83 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:25,359 Speaker 4: You know. 84 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 2: I just went on my book tour and he congratulated, 85 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,000 Speaker 2: thank you, And he was with me in Baltimore and 86 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 2: there were eight hundred women, largely and husbands who were 87 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 2: dragged by those women in to see me. And I really, 88 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: I really want my kid to experience life with me 89 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 2: and my mother was that way. 90 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 3: You know. 91 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,280 Speaker 2: My mom was a nineteen year old single mom. I 92 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 2: went everywhere with my mom. I was her shotgun, you know. 93 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 2: And so when she worked at a leather factory when 94 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: she was trying to get her degree, she took me 95 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: up to Tandy Leather and I saw all of these 96 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 2: women sitting behind these machines and their job was to 97 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 2: put the rivets on the leather pants, the snaps on 98 00:05:10,640 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 2: leather goods, and you know, that was the most important 99 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: job in the world in me, like my mom, that's 100 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: where my mom worked, and she's walking me through. 101 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,040 Speaker 1: But that's your work ethic. I obviously am preparing for 102 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: this interview, and I see that you are on a 103 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,120 Speaker 1: book tour, as mentioned, but day after day it's a 104 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: new city, and I'm all like, okay, Philly, Baltimore, Connecticut. 105 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: I'm like, and you're working and you're doing it, and 106 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: you're meeting people and you're communing with the people all 107 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: the while. I see Moses children now, you know, and 108 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: I know you have help, but help doesn't always come 109 00:05:45,480 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 1: in the form of sanity or moments of quiet. And 110 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:52,120 Speaker 1: when you tell the story about your mother to me, 111 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: illustrates your work ethic. Is that where you get your work? 112 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:56,640 Speaker 3: Absolutely? I think so. 113 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 2: I think for my mother, I think my grandfather who 114 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: was born in nineteen oh one, who was a sharecropper, 115 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 2: but every step he took he took with great pride. 116 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: He ended up being a pitmaster in his career, and 117 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,720 Speaker 2: he going back to you know work, and remembering my 118 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 2: mom and her job at that factory. I remember, you know, 119 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: we would drive. Once my mom got on her feet, 120 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,640 Speaker 2: like she's like nineteen twenty, she decided she wanted to 121 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 2: move from the small town where we lived because her 122 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 2: chances were better in a bigger city like so many places, 123 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 2: and we moved to Dallas Fort Worth, Texas. But we 124 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 2: would go back every summer, every holiday with my grandfather. 125 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 2: And I remember driving up in our Grimlin, our brown Grimlin, 126 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 2: and we would our first stop, you know, my granda. 127 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 2: We passed my grandpa's. If you guys, the kids, some 128 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 2: kids are pos you. 129 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, Grimlin. 130 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 2: It's like it's with the El Camino style, is it 131 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 2: back in the day? Car catch back and me and 132 00:06:59,760 --> 00:07:01,919 Speaker 2: my and our little Grimlin. I've got to be very 133 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 2: valuable right now. Hours was wrecked in the front, and 134 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 2: we drive past my grandfather's house because his house was 135 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: on the corner on the way to where he worked 136 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,840 Speaker 2: at this grocery store at the back as a pitmaster. 137 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 2: And you know, I'd get out and run into this 138 00:07:14,560 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 2: little grocery store, Lee Chambers grocery Store, and go see 139 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:21,119 Speaker 2: my grandfather with his apron on and the stains from 140 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 2: you know, the barbecue and the sauces and all that. 141 00:07:23,880 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: And he was always working very very hard. And then 142 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 2: on Sunday, you know, he would you know, shed all 143 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: of that and put on his stacy atoms and get 144 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: in his green buick and his beautiful hat, and he would, 145 00:07:37,160 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 2: you know, go into church. And so I grew up 146 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 2: around people who had phenomenal work ethic. My mother phenomenal 147 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: work ethic. She'd work at that factory and then she'd 148 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 2: decorate cakes at a grocery store at night, all while 149 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:55,760 Speaker 2: getting her schooling and college degree and making sure that 150 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,360 Speaker 2: I had. She She went for two more years and 151 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: then ultimately did not complete at all. How about this, 152 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 2: I had the great pleasure of speaking at my mom's graduation. 153 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yeah, yeah, she finished everything. I guess 154 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:09,160 Speaker 2: it's about twelve years ago. 155 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 3: Maybe a little longer. 156 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 2: Oh wow, And so yeah, great work ethic. My mom 157 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 2: married the dad I say, God meant for me to 158 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,320 Speaker 2: have my stepfather. We never referred to him as my 159 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 2: stepfather was my dad. And he went to the army 160 00:08:21,200 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 2: when he was fourteen, fourteen years old and because he said, 161 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: he was waiting tables and he just couldn't stand the 162 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 2: way people were talking to him and talking at him, 163 00:08:32,280 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 2: and he thought, I'm going to go to the military. 164 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,360 Speaker 2: I'm joining where his brothers were all in the military, 165 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 2: and he became a career military man. He retired as 166 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: a master sergeant out of four hood, Texas. So you know, 167 00:08:43,400 --> 00:08:46,439 Speaker 2: I was always around people at tremendous work ethic, tremendous 168 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 2: work ethic. And so when I'm thinking, well, how do 169 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:50,080 Speaker 2: you do it all? And I don't know if we 170 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 2: all do it all, but I think for me, especially 171 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 2: being in the same industry and always looking up to you, 172 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:58,719 Speaker 2: you gave us a lot of freedoms. I don't even 173 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,559 Speaker 2: know if you realize it, but when you talked about 174 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 2: the difficulty of having a child later in life and 175 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: then finally having this wonderful baby, this wonderful dorito, eating 176 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 2: just not very far from this micro dorito eating child 177 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: and we better have them sponsored a Daggon podcast. 178 00:09:16,000 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: Oh my god, bleep out. 179 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 3: Then said chip unless they pay s chip. 180 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: Okay, chip chip, chip chip. But like that. To me, 181 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:28,359 Speaker 1: those kind of stories are so interesting because on your appearance, 182 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: your beauty, smart, you are intell, intelligent, you are that 183 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:33,320 Speaker 1: can be very intimidating, and you brought in a whole 184 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: new world. What made you want to share that story? 185 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 2: Well, I really honestly had no choice. I mean, everyone 186 00:09:39,360 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: knew my age. 187 00:09:40,160 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: You know. 188 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,839 Speaker 2: I guess if I started today, you wouldn't know your age. Yeah, yeah, 189 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 2: so I knew my age at forty eight. I the 190 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 2: show and my IVF journey all coincided. I was preparing 191 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: to launch the show when the very first round of 192 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 2: IVF took. In fact, the day we tape my pilot 193 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 2: was the day I got the call from the hospital 194 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,560 Speaker 2: that it had taken. We'd had other failed rounds, and 195 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 2: I also thought it was important to show the realities 196 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:15,320 Speaker 2: of the journey right. People throughout my career made many 197 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 2: assumptions about why I didn't have a child. Oh, she's selfish, 198 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:20,600 Speaker 2: or she don't have a man, or all these things. 199 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: They put on yours. 200 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: You know, and every woman who is probably past thirty 201 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: knows that there are folks, whether they are in your 202 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 2: professional life or your personal life, who make assumptions when 203 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: you don't have children over the age of thirty. And 204 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: so I knew all of these assumptions. And by the way, 205 00:10:38,040 --> 00:10:40,600 Speaker 2: had I stayed at the Today Show, I would have 206 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:45,199 Speaker 2: been the only woman on the main cast that didn't 207 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 2: have a child, because when I left, Hoda became a 208 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 2: mom with her daughters and her adoption journey, and in 209 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 2: the morning TV especially, this assumption of motherhood making you 210 00:10:57,280 --> 00:11:02,040 Speaker 2: relatable with a big undercurrent, and I wanted to talk 211 00:11:02,080 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 2: openly about how I felt that that was nonsense. My 212 00:11:05,200 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 2: womanhood and my motherhood are two different journeys. I'm born 213 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 2: into womanhood and motherhood came at forty eight, and they're 214 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: two very different things for me. 215 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: Tell me what womanhood is versus motherhood in your opinion, right, 216 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: you know? 217 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 2: Womanhood are the friends that I still have who one 218 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 2: actually said, you have a baby, now I don't. We're 219 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 2: not going to talk as much, and I said, you're 220 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 2: my You've been my friend forever. I'm not in this 221 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 2: club of people who only have to have my same journey. 222 00:11:34,760 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 2: My womanhood is the fact that I have the same 223 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: best friends since. 224 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:39,800 Speaker 3: We were four years old. 225 00:11:41,440 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 2: Those relationships of commonality mean something to me. My motherhood 226 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:50,400 Speaker 2: is a very different journey in that I do have 227 00:11:50,440 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 2: friends who you know, I have a friend, a darling friend. 228 00:11:53,400 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: She's got three kids and others four, and I call 229 00:11:55,679 --> 00:11:57,520 Speaker 2: them for the different kind of advice. But we still 230 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,640 Speaker 2: talk about our life before Moses and our children. 231 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: Yeah. 232 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 2: I said something one day, and I don't think people 233 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: really appreciate it that I said. Are some people that 234 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,840 Speaker 2: I said, You know, I love my life with my 235 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 2: child immensely, and I love the smell of his skin, 236 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 2: the smell of his hair. I wake up sometimes and 237 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 2: I can't even believe he's mine. But I also loved 238 00:12:16,400 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 2: my life before and I can picture my life both 239 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: versions of me very clearly, and I love them both. 240 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that, Okay, and they The thing is 241 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: what you just said. I've had this conversation with so 242 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,320 Speaker 1: many different women who either adopted or children later in life. 243 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: There is a shame that is associated with you in 244 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: society if you don't have a child by a certain age, 245 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: or if you just never have a child, and then 246 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 1: when you and if you don't physically because she had 247 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: a surrogate, if you don't physically give birth, there's still more, 248 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: like you know. 249 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: And I learned early on. So many years ago, I 250 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:56,160 Speaker 2: wrote a blog post about parenting because I ran into 251 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 2: a rough situation. This was after New Town, and all 252 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: of the people around me kept saying, you know, a 253 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 2: parent's worst nightmare. You don't understand, you don't understand, And 254 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 2: I felt like, wait a minute, do you believe that 255 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: myself and other people who don't have children went home 256 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:21,320 Speaker 2: that day and just forgot that we watched babies be massacred, right, 257 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 2: And I was maybe in my feelings or whatnot, but 258 00:13:26,080 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 2: I wrote a post about you know, how we on 259 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 2: this journey of humanity without children does not mean that 260 00:13:36,280 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 2: we are absent from the sadness and sorrow of watching 261 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:42,959 Speaker 2: something like this. So I wrote this whole post about it, 262 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 2: and it was widely received and it was great. And 263 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 2: I'm on a flight coming from somewhere and this woman 264 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 2: came to me and she was tears in her eyes, 265 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 2: and she happened to be white, and she said tamering 266 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:57,720 Speaker 2: that touched me to my soul she said, I actually 267 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 2: am raising my steps on and so often at the 268 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 2: you know, whatever grandparents or relatives will say, well, you 269 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: don't understand. He's really not your child. Yeah, and she said, 270 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: I slothe him, I feed him, he lives with me. 271 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:11,120 Speaker 3: He is my child. 272 00:14:11,480 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 2: And so going back to what you were saying, I 273 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 2: noticed that people, you know, if you have all boys, 274 00:14:15,520 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 2: they go, you don't understand unless you have girls. 275 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 3: And then you have girls, like, you don't understand. And 276 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: then if you. 277 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: All never know, if you don't have twins, and then 278 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: it's like, well you have a one child, you don't 279 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 2: know unless you have four, you know. And it's there's 280 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 2: always a moving of the goal post, okay, in our 281 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 2: lives in general, right, it's in professions you get your 282 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 2: dream job. 283 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you remember, it's. 284 00:14:36,680 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 3: Always people want to move your goal post. 285 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:42,760 Speaker 2: And it sometimes it's to make themselves feel better, you know, 286 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: but also sometimes they just even know what to say. 287 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:49,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, you're talking. I if you think about let's 288 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 1: let's go to womanhood, and you're in the years in 289 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: which I would be like, I want all her shoes, 290 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: in clothes, I want everything that to this day still, 291 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: but it was all always one of these affirming reasons 292 00:15:02,640 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: for me to say because when I started at ESPN, 293 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 1: women were still wearing pants suits, and they were always like. 294 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 3: When I started in reporting, same thing. 295 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 2: I actually, you know, fun fact was probably one of 296 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:19,800 Speaker 2: the first to wear after Michelle Obama around the same 297 00:15:19,880 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 2: time the Sheath dressed. 298 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,520 Speaker 3: Oh when I got into. 299 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 2: Today's Show and people were not dressing like that. And 300 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,920 Speaker 2: I've never actually taken claim and staked my flag on that, 301 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: but let me just do it right here on your show, 302 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 2: for I've never said it, but it's true. 303 00:15:36,760 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: It is a fact. 304 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: And the reason why I was so defiant in my 305 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,960 Speaker 2: fashion to be honest with you is not because I thought, Okay, 306 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be There was a tabloid report once that 307 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 2: said I would walk into the Today Show and make 308 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 2: every you can actually google this is stunny that I 309 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:56,160 Speaker 2: would line up the women and make them change their 310 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 2: clothes so I could. It was it was like, I'm like, really, yes, 311 00:15:58,920 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: it's always the zeal so I'm gonna. 312 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 3: Make the main acres change their clothes. But okay, listen 313 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:04,359 Speaker 3: and exactly. 314 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,360 Speaker 2: Really, but I you know, early in my career in 315 00:16:07,400 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: the nineties, I was a reporter and there was a 316 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,440 Speaker 2: heat wave and I was outside in Texas. You know 317 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: those reports where he cracked the egg and it sizzles, 318 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, this is the heatwave. And the news 319 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: director at the time, I took my blazer off and 320 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 2: I was out in the field and he got in 321 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: my ear my eye, being to put your blazer back on. 322 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 2: And I said, it's one hundred and ten. What are 323 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: you talking about? And he goes, no one's gonna take 324 00:16:32,200 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 2: you seriously. 325 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 3: And it was. 326 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 2: Infuriating, and I'm like, no, no one's gonna take me 327 00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 2: seriously because I'm standing out in this sun looking like 328 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 2: a chocolate drop melting. 329 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: I mean, like, it was so ridiculous. 330 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,880 Speaker 2: And so his notion of my credibility was in my clothing, 331 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 2: not my words, not my presentation, not my hustle. It 332 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: was that I had on a long sleeve shirt, by 333 00:16:57,920 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: the way, and that's what I had on underneath. 334 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: I didn't have a top on. 335 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 2: I had a button down shirt like a golf shirt, 336 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 2: a professional shirt, and I'm taking off my hot blazer. 337 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 2: And so my value was somehow diminished because I didn't 338 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:18,080 Speaker 2: have a full suit on. So I was very mindful 339 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: after that, and in my career. So it started in Chicago, 340 00:17:23,160 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: where you know, like the Tribune and said, you know, 341 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:27,000 Speaker 2: the best stressed anchor on TV something. They did a 342 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:31,200 Speaker 2: whole article and it really wasn't to be flashy. It 343 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,720 Speaker 2: was to say, I am going to present the way 344 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 2: I feel comfortable. It is professional and I like it. 345 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 2: And by the way, it's empowering. 346 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: It's empowering because when I saw you dress the way 347 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: you were, I was like, you can dress. If you 348 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,120 Speaker 1: can't get over what I looked like, then you didn't 349 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: come here to get the news. 350 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 3: You didn't come here to get the news. 351 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, so if you can't get over how you look 352 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 1: stunning and still can deliver smart information, I didn't understand 353 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 1: how people felt that. 354 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 2: I also operated within professional line, right, So I mean, 355 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 2: I recognize I'm a journalist. I'm at any given time 356 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 2: reporting on even now with my talk show, we pick 357 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:10,800 Speaker 2: out our wardrobe a week in advance, right, but down 358 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 2: to my hair, we talk about what that presents. So 359 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 2: if we're doing a show on the talk show about 360 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:20,760 Speaker 2: true crime or you know, if we have a more 361 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,840 Speaker 2: serious conversation, you know, mental, I'm mindful. I'm not gonna 362 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 2: come out in you know, and so you know. I 363 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 2: it is strategic. It's not willy nilly. I don't just 364 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 2: go and go, oh this would be cute. I look 365 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:38,680 Speaker 2: at what message it conveys. Is it appropriate? 366 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: Right? 367 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 2: Everything has a reason in a season and we go 368 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 2: that route. But it's always intentional for sure. 369 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,600 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, I appreciate you for being patient, but we 370 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: have to take a quick break fast forward through the 371 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:51,920 Speaker 1: commercials if you'd like, but we'll be right back. Thank 372 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 1: you for listening to Naked. 373 00:18:53,200 --> 00:18:56,080 Speaker 4: Every champion and care every champion has to be a champion, 374 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 4: a champion and cary champion and carry chat be a 375 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 4: champion and carriage Champion and carry champ entertainment and naked 376 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 4: weird Kerry champion and carry champion is to be a champion, 377 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 4: a champion and carry champion Champion and carry Champion and 378 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,920 Speaker 4: carried chatiment naked word. 379 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome back to Naked. Today's guest is Cameron Home. 380 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: I hope you enjoy I think that again, what sometimes 381 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: we don't realize when we're doing something, that's when you're 382 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: part of being the first, and you were the first 383 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,560 Speaker 1: in so many ways, it's more of a struggle as 384 00:19:38,600 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 1: opposed of Oh I did it. When you look back 385 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:47,440 Speaker 1: on your mini first in your career, do you understand 386 00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: how valueboth they are birds? 387 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 2: Oh my god, most is saying this is the mostes 388 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 2: and no, he's perfect. He's like, mom, this is the 389 00:19:55,960 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 2: realest you'll ever see anything. A Okay, I challenge anyone, 390 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 2: anyone who ever talks to you on this podcast. I 391 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 2: have a child who. 392 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,640 Speaker 1: Burns, by the way, but this is real life. I'm 393 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,440 Speaker 1: a mom and I work. There's so many moms who 394 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 1: are listening and work, like, look, you sometimes babies just 395 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: gotta be here, you know what I mean. We're gonna 396 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: take that. Okay, Moses, you can burp. 397 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 3: Oh gosh, all you please don't encourage is healthy? The 398 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,400 Speaker 3: baby he's a taurust. The baby bull is in the room. 399 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: Healthy. When you look back on your first, Moses is 400 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: a trip, y'all the whole card. 401 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,320 Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. 402 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,400 Speaker 1: But when you look back on your first are there 403 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,520 Speaker 1: any regrets? Would you do anything differently? 404 00:20:36,920 --> 00:20:39,680 Speaker 2: Oh gosh? 405 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 1: And the first thing that popped up is what you 406 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,680 Speaker 1: have to say, Yeah, you know, I. 407 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,200 Speaker 3: Don't, so I don't. I really resist the word regret. 408 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 2: Right, There are times I wish I had different I 409 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 2: had a massive different knowledge, right. So knowledge is power, right, 410 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,439 Speaker 2: and and so for example, even though I love my 411 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 2: talk show and it's I probably would have demanded more 412 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 2: ownership of it. And that's my goal at this point 413 00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 2: now is to own more of that show and ultimately 414 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,680 Speaker 2: own the show. And so that is and that only 415 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 2: really came in front of mind for me, because like yourself, 416 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:18,399 Speaker 2: you have your podcast, this is your content, it is yours. 417 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,720 Speaker 2: I don't own the Tammer and Hall show despite it 418 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: having my name, and I wish I'd been more conscious 419 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 2: of that. But I was going through a lot at 420 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,040 Speaker 2: that time, and that's no excuse, but I was going 421 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 2: through you know, I'd just been you know, taking off 422 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 2: the Today's Show. Harvey Weinstein, you know, was the original 423 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 2: executive producer partner. Now he's on trial for rape and 424 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 2: all of this, and I'm just like, Okay, we got 425 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 2: to get this show going. 426 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:46,119 Speaker 1: I need to get this show going. 427 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 2: And that was my That was something that I don't 428 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 2: regret it, But in reflection, I wish I had the 429 00:21:55,880 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 2: knowledge I have now because I would have broken to 430 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 2: a little different deal. 431 00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: But that's okay, because the lesson is too. 432 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:07,520 Speaker 3: Well now I'm a good thing. Yeah yeah, how about 433 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 3: these no deals last year? You always redegotiations and that's 434 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:11,640 Speaker 3: the great thing we're doing. 435 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 1: Well. Yeah, you mentioned Harvey. I remember when that came out. 436 00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: What it was announced before we knew Harvey was Harvey 437 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 1: as a with it in the distance, that relationship. What 438 00:22:23,680 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: was that like for you? 439 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 2: You know, which is is so funny that I actually 440 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 2: didn't know Harvey, which is so this is the incredible 441 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 2: part of it. And everyone, and thank you for asking, 442 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,720 Speaker 2: because someone's ever really asked the full detail. I had 443 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 2: come to a point where we were, I don't know, 444 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:45,119 Speaker 2: three months after it was announced that I was leaving, 445 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 2: and I never got a chance to say goodbye on air, 446 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,040 Speaker 2: and you know how important those things are being on air. 447 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: You just unceremoniously are showing the door, which is fine, 448 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: and I knew I would find my footing. And I 449 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,040 Speaker 2: never was angry, I was never upset. I felt always 450 00:22:58,040 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 2: like I was floating in peace in a weird way. 451 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 2: But there was one moment where I was exhausted. People 452 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 2: were offering me, you know, they wanted to have me 453 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 2: come in to give them the scoop of what really happened. 454 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 2: But never and these were like executives who wanted the 455 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,400 Speaker 2: scoop of what happened at the Today Show but really 456 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: didn't have anything substance to substance tive to offer me 457 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,919 Speaker 2: or you know, one network Hall and said, you know, 458 00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 2: we want to know if she's available to fill in 459 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,159 Speaker 2: because we have someone going on maternity to leave. And 460 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,879 Speaker 2: I'm like, uh, what, you know, No, It's like, are 461 00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 2: you kidding me? And so I was really my energy 462 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 2: was depleted that day. And I lived in a place 463 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:35,720 Speaker 2: not very far from where we are now in Tribeca. 464 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 2: I went home and I vividly remember taking a shower 465 00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 2: and crying, and I was in it. It just had given up. 466 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,360 Speaker 2: And then again for the most part, I was floating, 467 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:50,560 Speaker 2: floating in confidence, and then I was that moment I 468 00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: was just depleted, and I just had a series of 469 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 2: conversations that just were just didn't go anywhere. And my 470 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 2: agent at the time called me and said, Harvey Weinstein 471 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,679 Speaker 2: has sent a note and he's asked why the f 472 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,760 Speaker 2: can I meet with Tameron Hall. And I'm like, well, 473 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,440 Speaker 2: wait a minute, that's an escalation, yeah, And they said, yeah, 474 00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 2: I don't know if he's calling the wrong office who 475 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,640 Speaker 2: he's reaching out to. And so because it went from 476 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 2: like zero to six, I'm like, what is he talking about? 477 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:17,879 Speaker 2: Is it wasn't as if I was not answering the 478 00:24:17,920 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: call or they weren't. 479 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 3: We didn't know. 480 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,240 Speaker 2: So my agent said, okay, he had a big office 481 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 2: here in Tribeca. He wanted to meet us. All okay, 482 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 2: So we go into the office and it was myself 483 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 2: and my agent, my representatives and a couple of people 484 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:35,479 Speaker 2: were in his office. And he came out of this 485 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 2: back room and I only see Harvey Weinstein on TV. 486 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,439 Speaker 2: I've never seen him in person. So He's got this 487 00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,359 Speaker 2: black T shirt on and I'm very going back to 488 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:44,160 Speaker 2: fashion very day? 489 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: Is it? 490 00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 3: Like it was kind of like dirty And. 491 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:47,800 Speaker 2: I was like, I re winds he going to a 492 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 2: dirty But he had this huge spread of food and whatnot, 493 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 2: and he's he said, I want to show you what 494 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 2: I've been thinking of doing. So they had already edited 495 00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 2: a version of the tammeron Hall show Wow, and he 496 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 2: hat I didn't even know I took and he was 497 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:04,560 Speaker 2: just like, these are the guests we will get and 498 00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 2: this is this is it. 499 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 1: I know this. 500 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 2: You are going to change the scope of daytime, which 501 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,720 Speaker 2: was music to my ears. Right, I'm thinking, Okay, God, 502 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 2: someone gets me. I'm not not. Just had a meeting 503 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,640 Speaker 2: where someone said to me, will you do hot topics 504 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,159 Speaker 2: and say uh uh. 505 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 3: It was this white older man miming. 506 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 2: Uh uh or whatever it's going, and I'm like, so, 507 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:27,120 Speaker 2: I mean you imagine I'm hard. 508 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,760 Speaker 3: It is just like okay, they're just not going to 509 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 3: get it. 510 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 2: And so now he gets it and it's substantive and 511 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:33,800 Speaker 2: it's really it's it's all the things, all the weapons 512 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,600 Speaker 2: I believe I have great. So we started negotiating a 513 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:42,439 Speaker 2: deal of shopping this show. Soon after, he invited me 514 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:48,399 Speaker 2: to his home uh in Connecticut for dinner, family dinner. 515 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 2: His family was supposed to be there and what not, 516 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 2: and so I called my friend. I said, well, come 517 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 2: with me because I don't know him. Now, i'd not 518 00:25:55,240 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 2: heard that he was a I had not heard that, 519 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,480 Speaker 2: but I already's a bully, and I just didn't want 520 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 2: to be like, I. 521 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 3: Don't know these people. I'm going all the way to Connecticut. 522 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 2: So I took my friend who's like six ' nine 523 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: with me and one of my best friends, Michael. 524 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: So when he wants all the spring I was like. 525 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 3: Yes, and he's a Greek and our Minian. 526 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 2: I was like, he go get your So we go 527 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 2: and his family's there's children are there and it was 528 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 2: a wonderful dinner and they had movie night and what 529 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 2: that was it. I think I was maybe song two 530 00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: more times. So I think during the course he invited 531 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 2: me to a fashion show his wife's fashion line. So 532 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,080 Speaker 2: I think in total I might have been in the room, 533 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,080 Speaker 2: never alone with him, maybe four times. Ye, so no 534 00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,520 Speaker 2: real rapport and when I and it's so funny. I 535 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 2: remember the last time I did see him. We were 536 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 2: outside of one of the studios here in New York 537 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 2: pitching the show, and he was very fidgety and very 538 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 2: like distract and I didn't know what was going on. 539 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,560 Speaker 2: And I went home and someone called me and they said, 540 00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:05,640 Speaker 2: I'm worried about you. 541 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. 542 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 2: They text I'm worried about you. They are talking about 543 00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:15,160 Speaker 2: the R word with Harvey Weinstein, and I wrote back 544 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,120 Speaker 2: retirement and then the person called me and then they 545 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,919 Speaker 2: told me that there was going to be an explosive 546 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:28,359 Speaker 2: report that Harvey Weinstein had great people and I'm like, 547 00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:33,359 Speaker 2: wait what, And so my whole now I'm spiraling back, God, 548 00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,480 Speaker 2: how is this happening to me? The one person I 549 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:40,520 Speaker 2: partner with, I went to my last conversation with him. 550 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 2: I went to host a domestic violence shelters anniversary in 551 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:49,120 Speaker 2: Texas and he called me and it was like three 552 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 2: in the morning, three in the morning, your Texas, Texas time. 553 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 2: I was like three or four in the morning. And 554 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 2: he said, you know this is not true, blah blah blah. 555 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 2: And I said something to the effect of, you shouldn't 556 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 2: be worried about what I think of you. You should 557 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 2: be worried about what your children, what they will know 558 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 2: about you. 559 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: And what did you say? 560 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,320 Speaker 3: Nothing? And that was my last conversation. 561 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 2: And I've reached out to his lawyers to try to 562 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 2: interview him. Is he is one of the people on 563 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: the list. I think it is probably one of the 564 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: biggest fall from grace stories in modern history. 565 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: Certainly it spawned a lot of things, the Me Too movement, 566 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,480 Speaker 1: which you know as quickly. We talked to Toronto Burke 567 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: and she tried to make sure that that wasn't co 568 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:37,040 Speaker 1: opted for her as a black woman. Have you in 569 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 1: this business experienced sexual harassment and felt like, I don't 570 00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: know if I should say anything more times than I 571 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 1: care to recite. Do you think that there is a 572 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: world in which we could ever. I have mentees, and 573 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 1: when they come to me and they ask for help, 574 00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:51,680 Speaker 1: I don't have an answer. 575 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 576 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: I don't know what to tell them to do sometimes, 577 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 1: and that breaks my heart. 578 00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with that. I think that. Yeah. 579 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 3: I mean, listen, I I feel the same way a 580 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 3: couple of things. 581 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: And I. 582 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 2: You know, one day I'll write a memoir or something, 583 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,440 Speaker 2: or maybe not even a memoir, maybe I'll write it 584 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 2: all down and present it. 585 00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:14,040 Speaker 3: Because it's painful for me to talk about. 586 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 1: Right. 587 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:21,000 Speaker 2: I've been in horrifying situations, horrifying situations. I've had the 588 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 2: creepy calls. I've had the same things I know you've had. 589 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 2: I know it because it is prolific, the one thing. 590 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,480 Speaker 2: And I'm happy you brought up Torontic because she's fantastic 591 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 2: and she's been on my show. That the title of 592 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 2: me Too being co opted and taken from her, and 593 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 2: then the face of victims suddenly not only became mostly wide, 594 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 2: but this certain stereotype of this young white blonde female 595 00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 2: in the workplace and one of the helpless things that 596 00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:04,000 Speaker 2: I often felt, and I'm sure you have felt they 597 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,880 Speaker 2: won't believe me because I'm a black woman, and they 598 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,840 Speaker 2: don't believe black women are targets of this and we're 599 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 2: afraid that these that we're unafraid, like we're too tough 600 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:16,680 Speaker 2: to be a victim. Yeah, you know, and you know 601 00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 2: they know they don't play that with the systems. 602 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,120 Speaker 3: And I'm like, really you think that? 603 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:25,040 Speaker 2: And so we were somehow immune to it because our 604 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 2: toughness was going to keep these, you know, predators away. 605 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's just not true. 606 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: It discourages me because do you say, go to HR, Well, 607 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: we know what happens when you were one of a 608 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:44,600 Speaker 1: few and you go to HR. Usually doesn't work in 609 00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 1: our favor. Do you say, report your boss? What do 610 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 1: you say? No, I don't know what. It's twenty twenty 611 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 1: four and I'm still scratching my head. 612 00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 2: So I keep extensive documentation on everything good for you. 613 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 2: I write down lesson learned, lesson learn If I walk 614 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,959 Speaker 2: out of a meeting where I'm uncomfortable, I write every 615 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 2: word down in that moment. 616 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 3: I learned that from a lawyer. Exemporaneous notes. 617 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 2: I now, though you know, being the executive producer of 618 00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 2: the show and having two hundred and fifty employees. Actually 619 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: don't meet one on one with people anymore. I'm rarely 620 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:28,880 Speaker 2: alone in a room with anybody smart. 621 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: I feel that. 622 00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: One of the things that's going back to not regrets, 623 00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 2: but knowledge is power. I wish I had formed like 624 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 2: I see you all on your trip together, and I'm. 625 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 3: Like, well, I'm getting invitation. 626 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: So I love that. 627 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:47,800 Speaker 3: I wish I had. 628 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 2: Formed like this league of women like you all have 629 00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 2: when you go on your trip and you're able to 630 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:57,640 Speaker 2: talk and you're able to share those things, because I 631 00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 2: was one of one. And that's no excuse, but it was. 632 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 2: I was so like, I got to get it done. 633 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 2: And so I'm sure some people thought that I was 634 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,520 Speaker 2: unfriendly or quiet or to myself. I think that's what 635 00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 2: I don't think people think I'm unfriendly. I think they 636 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 2: think I'm to myself, and I'm really not. I'm actually 637 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,800 Speaker 2: my house, you know, is filled. Most of my dearest 638 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:21,920 Speaker 2: friends aren't in the business, So I think that's why 639 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: I can look like I'm off to myself. In fact, 640 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:27,880 Speaker 2: my team said, oh, you know, do you want what 641 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 2: celebrity do you want to host it? 642 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: Now? 643 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:32,640 Speaker 2: I have any celebrity friends. I have celebrity people who 644 00:32:32,680 --> 00:32:35,240 Speaker 2: know my phone number and we call and laugh with talks. 645 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,720 Speaker 2: But my crew there nobody's in this business per se. 646 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:45,800 Speaker 2: But I wish I had done more to form these alliances, 647 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 2: being one of the first in a lot of categories. 648 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 2: But I can tell you the day that I was 649 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 2: leaving NBC, I called Joy Read first. She was the 650 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 2: very first person I called sweetheart, right, oh gosh, and 651 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 2: we talked. We talk all day long age day. You know, 652 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 2: I wish I had formed a league of women, you know, 653 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 2: or something right. And I did it in Chicago a lot, 654 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 2: but by the time I got to New York, the 655 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 2: intensity was like off the chart. But I used to 656 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 2: you know, I would have like dinner parties or I 657 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 2: would say, let's all get together new restaurants, because when 658 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 2: you're in morning TV, all the chefs come on and 659 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,160 Speaker 2: they always want you to come to their restaurants, be there, 660 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 2: and so I would like have host little dinner parties 661 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 2: at different restaurants. 662 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 3: So that is something that. 663 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 2: I wish i'd done more once I got to New York, 664 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 2: because I needed it, and I know that others needed 665 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 2: it because the first two years I was here. I 666 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:43,640 Speaker 2: don't know if you've ever seen the movie Devil's Advocate. 667 00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 2: It's with Keanu Reeves and output. I know, it's brilliant. 668 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:49,800 Speaker 2: So it's this, you know, he comes from this small 669 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 2: town and it's all beautiful, and he's in New York 670 00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,600 Speaker 2: and he's beautiful people. They're gorgeous, and they're really monsters. 671 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 2: They're like devils. It's a brilliant film. And I felt 672 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 2: that way when I first came here. I felt like, gosh, 673 00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 2: beautiful people and parties and you know, red carpet and 674 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 2: pop pa pop, and but then these people would peel 675 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:14,440 Speaker 2: their masks off and they were whole goblins. Yeah you know, 676 00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:16,879 Speaker 2: Prince Us, I call them energy vampires. Let me tell 677 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 2: you something that is a word right there, That is 678 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:19,400 Speaker 2: a word. 679 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: Do I have it? Do I have a dollar in 680 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: my purse plate? He is preaching because it's so true. Yeah. Yeah, 681 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,040 Speaker 1: So when you realize that, I will say this, I 682 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,760 Speaker 1: too have the same reputation of sometimes being to myself. 683 00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,879 Speaker 1: I do have my my good group of machete shut 684 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,759 Speaker 1: out to my girls, but that that was not of 685 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: my own doing, you know, like Jamel would love Jamal 686 00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:41,640 Speaker 1: Hill will tell a story of how when we first 687 00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: got the ESPN, I was just like hey and just 688 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: and I was going to get in and get out. 689 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 3: My friends call me a social loaner. In fact, Jamel 690 00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 3: was correct. 691 00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 2: I had we had Mexican food together those Joy read 692 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,359 Speaker 2: and Jamel like, we're the two people back to back 693 00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,560 Speaker 2: that I spoke too sweetish, that was perfect easily. And 694 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 2: so yeah, my friends, I'm a social loaner. 695 00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,480 Speaker 1: Yeah I can. And it's fine, but it also it's 696 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,880 Speaker 1: it's also protection and preserves you. It's all the things. 697 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 4: Every champion and Cary champions to be a champion, a 698 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:12,160 Speaker 4: champion and carry champion and carry chat be out a 699 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 4: champion and carry Champion and carry champion sports. 700 00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,759 Speaker 1: And entertainment can nakee Weird. 701 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,920 Speaker 4: Every champion and carry champions to be a champion, a 702 00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 4: champion and carry champion, niggert a champion and carry champion 703 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 4: and Carrie Champion. 704 00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 1: Nake you ward before I let you go, because you 705 00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,520 Speaker 1: really went here and shared so many things. I back 706 00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: to the work ethic. I don't know when you have 707 00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,240 Speaker 1: the time, but you are on your second book now, 708 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: and you have a series. You have a true crime series. 709 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:49,399 Speaker 1: You guys I can tell you about. You've seen her 710 00:35:50,120 --> 00:35:53,880 Speaker 1: and you had a true crime show EMSNBC. 711 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, INSNBC and Discovery Idea. I had a show called 712 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,959 Speaker 2: Deadline Crime with tammeron Hall and lasted for six seats 713 00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,400 Speaker 2: and I ended this show after I did a case 714 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,960 Speaker 2: involving a pregnant woman in Oklahoma who was killed, and 715 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 2: that case, along with another, became the inspiration for the 716 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 2: mystery involved with Jordan Manning, the character that I created. So, 717 00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,800 Speaker 2: Jordan is a black female reporter who has a forensic 718 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 2: science background. She's a reporter in Chicago. Actually named her 719 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,680 Speaker 2: Jordan Manning. Falling asleep watching one of the sports things, 720 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 2: I woke up out like Jordan, Okay, Jordi and man 721 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 2: and that's her name. But she's our protagonist and she's 722 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:37,040 Speaker 2: a crime solving reporter, huge heart, hugely passionate, but also 723 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,759 Speaker 2: in her mid thirties trying to figure out life. And 724 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,280 Speaker 2: so what I did with this character is is bring 725 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:46,759 Speaker 2: I hope, this compassionate you know, bloodhound who if she's 726 00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,400 Speaker 2: on the case, she's going to solve it. But you 727 00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 2: see the layers of what it's like to be a 728 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 2: black woman in the news room, what it's like to be, 729 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,840 Speaker 2: you know, in this job that you love but wanting 730 00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:57,640 Speaker 2: to have love. But at the end of the day, 731 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 2: she's a tough cookie. And this is the second the 732 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,960 Speaker 2: Jordan Manning series. The first case was inspired by something 733 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,400 Speaker 2: I covered in Chicago, but I needed her to have 734 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 2: the credibility. So I poured in my years at Deadline Crime, 735 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,800 Speaker 2: my thirty years of being a reporter, most of that crime, 736 00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 2: and then I had the luxury of fiction to create 737 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,120 Speaker 2: this juicy storyline, you know, with a very shocking ending. 738 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,800 Speaker 2: I mean I wrote this. The first years I wrote 739 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,960 Speaker 2: during the pandemic. The second I wrote in New York City. 740 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,200 Speaker 2: We were isolated with the first one. We have a 741 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,480 Speaker 2: house out in Long Island. So this one has a heartbeat, 742 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,080 Speaker 2: it has an intensity. It is it's it's it's a 743 00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 2: true thriller that I've just poured my heart into. 744 00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: I was audible listening. I wouldn't like to tell you 745 00:37:38,080 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: I was reading. I was not audible. Sales are off 746 00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: the charge, by the way, You're not alone. I was like, dang, 747 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: I love it. 748 00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,040 Speaker 3: They gave me the sale numbers of it. 749 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: I was like, my god, I love it. I loved 750 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 1: every moment of it, and then I was as I 751 00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,040 Speaker 1: was coming in today and I was telling them, I 752 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: was like, this is really good, and it's interesting because 753 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,680 Speaker 1: you take this character and it's loosely related to what's 754 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,600 Speaker 1: what's happened or perhaps inspired a little bit about what's 755 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,160 Speaker 1: happened to your sister, and you've shared the story. Do 756 00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,879 Speaker 1: you find it is cathartic for you? Yeah? 757 00:38:07,920 --> 00:38:08,880 Speaker 3: Oh, yes, absolutely. 758 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 2: And I've talked about my sister being the victim of 759 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 2: an unsolved crime and subsequently my work with survivors of 760 00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 2: domestic violence. And when I was writing this series, the 761 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:26,440 Speaker 2: case involves a missing mother of two and her advocate, 762 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:30,760 Speaker 2: if you will, is her sister, Shelley, and Shelley finds 763 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:34,399 Speaker 2: Jordan Manning and pleads with Jordan Manning to help her 764 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:37,359 Speaker 2: find her sister. And when I got done with the book, 765 00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:38,879 Speaker 2: it was only after I got done with the book 766 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,640 Speaker 2: that I realized that Shelley this time around is me 767 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 2: in so many ways, because we felt very helpless after 768 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:50,399 Speaker 2: my sister's death. We felt very unhappy with the investigation, 769 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,240 Speaker 2: and frustrated and angry and all these things that anyone 770 00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 2: would feel if a loved one was taken away. In 771 00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 2: this way, and so for me, Shelley became this character. 772 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:03,520 Speaker 2: Notes it was not the intention where you see some 773 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:07,480 Speaker 2: of what I felt and members of my family all 774 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 2: poured into this character. 775 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: I love it. Thank you for being here, and we 776 00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,319 Speaker 1: ran over continued love, health and wealth. Thank you, she 777 00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:16,360 Speaker 1: wrote in so many. 778 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,640 Speaker 3: Ways, and Elvis aka Moses has left the. 779 00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: Wow right, wow, wow, wow wow. I'm gonna tell you 780 00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,640 Speaker 1: my quick takeaways because I haven't I haven't done that 781 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,640 Speaker 1: in a while. The biggest takeaway, well, there were several. 782 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,400 Speaker 1: Thank you Tamrian, first off for being on the podcast, 783 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:37,839 Speaker 1: but the takeaway in which I said to you, this 784 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:42,719 Speaker 1: business is tough, but all businesses deal with women addressing 785 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:47,680 Speaker 1: sexual harassment. What you do and she just quite frankly said, Carrie, 786 00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: you've dealt with it. I've dealt with it. We all 787 00:39:49,120 --> 00:39:52,920 Speaker 1: deal with it. Document everything. We don't have a perfect 788 00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:54,959 Speaker 1: answer for that because we are not in a perfect place, 789 00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,040 Speaker 1: and we are not in a perfect union. The society 790 00:39:57,080 --> 00:40:02,920 Speaker 1: is not perfect. But ladies, he atten document everything. If 791 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: you ever feel uncomfortable, if you ever feel like you're 792 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 1: in a situation where you are being abused or treated unfairly, 793 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 1: or someone is harassing you, document everything, especially in the workplace, 794 00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:23,160 Speaker 1: more specifically in the workplace. And also I want to 795 00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:30,919 Speaker 1: thank her for sharing her story about Harvey Weinstein. She said, 796 00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:32,879 Speaker 1: no one's really asked her about Harvey. No one has 797 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,480 Speaker 1: really said, what was your relationship Harvey was supposed to 798 00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: do her show? Could you imagine your show being attached 799 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,960 Speaker 1: to Harvey Weinstein and you're like, oh my god, this 800 00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,160 Speaker 1: is it. My show is done, it's never coming out, 801 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,640 Speaker 1: it's over. And here she is winning on all levels. 802 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,799 Speaker 1: The Tammeron Hall Show was in its fifth season, and 803 00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: to me, if that is not a message that says 804 00:40:55,880 --> 00:41:00,839 Speaker 1: keep going, continue to push, continue to strive, to fight 805 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:02,920 Speaker 1: for what you want. I don't know what the heck is. 806 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,399 Speaker 1: I would have thought my show would have been dead 807 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: in the water if it had any bit of Harvey's 808 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:13,839 Speaker 1: imprint on it. He's a pariah. The stories that are 809 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:19,359 Speaker 1: coming out about him are horrific. He literally was doing 810 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,480 Speaker 1: a casting couch and he knew he could do it 811 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:27,600 Speaker 1: with right, he knew who he could do that to. 812 00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: At least, it seems as if he was a predator 813 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:38,720 Speaker 1: on purpose, very specific a predator with purpose. Thank god 814 00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: Tammeron got out of that situation and look at her now, 815 00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:48,120 Speaker 1: she's better for it. And remember, do not forget. Go 816 00:41:48,160 --> 00:41:51,880 Speaker 1: out and purchase book number two in her true crime series. 817 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:55,440 Speaker 1: It's called Watch Where They Hide. It is a crime 818 00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 1: series thriller if you will. Following the likes of a 819 00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,520 Speaker 1: true crime by the name of Jordan Manning, you can 820 00:42:02,600 --> 00:42:06,320 Speaker 1: see that that person as mentioned in this entire interview 821 00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: is very similar to Tameran, so I think you'll enjoy it. 822 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:11,680 Speaker 1: Watch for Their Hide available everywhere you get your books 823 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:14,719 Speaker 1: and of course on Hampton. I hope you guys take 824 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,800 Speaker 1: some notes, go back and listen to it again. This 825 00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,279 Speaker 1: is a special interview. Shout out to Tamaran again for 826 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:25,319 Speaker 1: coming on. Thanks to the crew a WTF Media Studios, 827 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,440 Speaker 1: you're doun on you go outside that much. Shout out 828 00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,080 Speaker 1: to my crew as well. We'll talk to you guys 829 00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: next week.