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Speaker 2: another week a guess hosting. When I left three weeks ago,
Speaker 2: I said I'd never come back to the host as
Speaker 2: long as Henry Kissinger was alive, And so here I am.
Speaker 2: We've got a great show for you tonight. Let's get
Speaker 2: into the headlines. Now, let's talk about jobs, the thing
Speaker 2: everybody hates going to and tell you lose. Last week,
Speaker 2: the number of Americans filing for unemployment benefits rose to
Speaker 2: his highest level in two years. And has nothing funny
Speaker 2: about people losing their jobs unless it's this guy.
Speaker 4: In a historic vote, the House expelling Congressman George Santos,
Speaker 4: He's the first House member removed from the chamber in
Speaker 4: more than two decades, the first to not be convicted
Speaker 4: of a crime in one hundred and something.
Speaker 5: Fifty years or so that George Santos saga is officially
Speaker 5: over three hundred. Eleven members voted to remove Santos, one
Speaker 5: hundred and five of them Republicans. George Santos began putting
Speaker 5: out his code even as the vote to expel him
Speaker 5: was still underway. Within hours of his House colleagues voting
Speaker 5: to make him just a sixth member in history expelled
Speaker 5: from office, crews were changing the locks on his Washington
Speaker 5: office doors. Dan.
Speaker 2: They wasn't playing with him at all. They weren't taking
Speaker 2: no chances right. They changed the lots immediately, though I'm
Speaker 2: not sure how to do anything. This guy stole money
Speaker 2: from a six service dog. You think you wouldn't crawl
Speaker 2: through an advent. But yeah, that, my friends, is the
Speaker 2: end of former Congressman George Santos. And he knew it
Speaker 2: was coming too. He put on his coat before the
Speaker 2: vote was even over. Well, let me correct myself. He
Speaker 2: put on a coat for all we know there's another
Speaker 2: congressman like somebody sold my coat. Now, look, this might
Speaker 2: be unpopular, but I don't think George Santos should have
Speaker 2: been expelled for two reasons. One, we were all safer
Speaker 2: when we knew where this dude was. Okay, now he
Speaker 2: could be anywhere. He could be at norstrum using your
Speaker 2: credit card right now. But more importantly, I don't think
Speaker 2: Congress should come before the court. You shouldn't be able
Speaker 2: to kick someone out for crimes they haven't been actually
Speaker 2: convicted of yet. And I tell you why. To get
Speaker 2: convicted of the court, it takes twelve ordinary citizens to
Speaker 2: judge you. And I trust twelve randalls off the street
Speaker 2: way more than four hundred and thirty five congress people.
Speaker 2: Right Because when you really think about it, he just
Speaker 2: got fired by his coworkers. I don't know if you
Speaker 2: want to set that president. Imagine if all our co
Speaker 2: workers could vote on whether we should have a job,
Speaker 2: we'd all be unemployed. And look, I think it's very
Speaker 2: important to acknowledge a large part of why he was
Speaker 2: kicked out is that he's gay. Republicans don't put that
Speaker 2: gay shit. Don't get quiet now, Okay, he could never
Speaker 2: be a full part of that club. Yes, he was
Speaker 2: a scam artist who stolen lied, but Republicans are ride
Speaker 2: and die with all kinds of lives and croops. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, look at that track record. If you're LGBT,
Speaker 2: they'll make you GTFO GTFO plus. Okay, Now let's move
Speaker 2: on to another group. Of scammers who got caught scamming.
Speaker 2: If you remember, back in twenty nineteen, a bunch of
Speaker 2: rich parents and celebrities got busted for faking their kids
Speaker 2: college admissions. Yeah, and one of those celebrities was actress
Speaker 2: Felicity Huffman. White people know from desfert houthwives and who
Speaker 2: Black people we simply don't know. Well, Felicity did her time,
Speaker 2: and now she's back on the streets to clear her name.
Speaker 6: This morning, Felicity Huffman is explaining publicly for the first
Speaker 6: time why she felt the need to break the law
Speaker 6: to get her daughter into college.
Speaker 7: It felt like I had to give my daughter a
Speaker 7: chance at a future, and so it was sort of
Speaker 7: like my daughter's future, which means I had to break
Speaker 7: the law. And I know hindsight is twenty twenty, but
Speaker 7: it felt like I would be a bad mother if
Speaker 7: I didn't do it.
Speaker 6: The Oscar nominee paid fifteen thousand dollars for someone to
Speaker 6: falsify the results of her daughter's SAT exam.
Speaker 7: She says in this that when the whole incident went down,
Speaker 7: she actually didn't even I think it was real.
Speaker 1: Take a listen to her here.
Speaker 7: They woke my daughters up at gunpoint. Again, nothing new
Speaker 7: to the black and brown community.
Speaker 2: Damn man, The poor woman is trying so hard not
Speaker 2: to be racist that she ends up sounding racist. Nothing
Speaker 2: new to the black and brown community. They wake up
Speaker 2: with a gun in their face every day, as if
Speaker 2: that's what we do for alarm clocks. For five more minutes, Officer,
Speaker 2: I had a late night. White guilt is crazy, man.
Speaker 2: Imagine a gun is pointed at your daughter, and your
Speaker 2: first daughter is Black lives Matter? Like, why are you
Speaker 2: even bringing black people into this? Are you trying to
Speaker 2: get your daughter into Howard or something like? Felicity really
Speaker 2: needs to stop doing press about this because it makes
Speaker 2: her daughter look more and more like the dumbest mother
Speaker 2: on planet Earth. All Right, she's out here going I
Speaker 2: know it was wrong, but I truly had no choice.
Speaker 2: How else could I help my incredibly dumb daughter, who
Speaker 2: if I haven't mentioned it yet, it's so stupid. I
Speaker 2: am only as guilty as she is dumb, which is
Speaker 2: to say extremely guilty. By the way, did y'all notice
Speaker 2: that her husband, William H. Macy is not involved in
Speaker 2: this scandal at all. He's the dad and he doesn't
Speaker 2: show up in the story. Ever, police probably didn't even
Speaker 2: wake him up when they raided the bedroom. Don't worry,
Speaker 2: mister h Macy, this doesn't concern you. Go back to sleep.
Speaker 2: It just goes to show you sometimes it pays to
Speaker 2: be a checked out father. Again, nothing new to the
Speaker 2: black and brown community.
Speaker 3: I'm black, I can say that, okay.
Speaker 2: And finally, we are less than one year away from
Speaker 2: the final presidential election in American history, and we all
Speaker 2: know it's going to be a choice between Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: Joe Biden in yourself in the voting move but there
Speaker 2: are some voters who wouldn't mind other options. And a
Speaker 2: special event on Fox News last week gave us an
Speaker 2: idea of what that might look like. On one side,
Speaker 2: Ron DeSantis, governor of Florida, and guy who just wrestled
Speaker 2: a foul ball from a child. On the other side,
Speaker 2: Gavin Newsom, governor of California, in the villain in a
Speaker 2: Buppet movie. And here's how I went.
Speaker 8: A fiery face off between two top governors with presidential overtones,
Speaker 8: Florida's Republican governor Ron DeSantis taking on California's Democratic governor
Speaker 8: Gavin Newsom. The governor's clashed over border securities. Newsome criticizing
Speaker 8: DeSantis's controversial move last year sending migrants to Martha's vineyard.
Speaker 4: You're trolling folks and trying to find migrants to play
Speaker 4: political games, try to.
Speaker 2: Get some news intention so you can out Trump Trump.
Speaker 2: And by the way, how's that going for you?
Speaker 1: Ron?
Speaker 2: You're down forty one points in your own home state.
Speaker 9: This is a map of San Francisco. There's a lot
Speaker 9: of on that you ain't be asking. What is that plotting? Well,
Speaker 9: this is an app where they plot the human feces
Speaker 9: that are found on the streets of San Francisco. And
Speaker 9: you see how almost the whole thing is covered.
Speaker 2: Now, Now, Ron's not wrong. If you've been to San
Speaker 2: Francisco lately, I'm sure you've noticed a lot of shit
Speaker 2: on the streets. And obviously he's gonna keep track of
Speaker 2: it because he doesn't want to get any on his
Speaker 2: high heels. But is this really a smart campaign move
Speaker 2: for DeSantis? He's like, America can't have a crazy old
Speaker 2: man as president. It should be me, a totally sane
Speaker 2: man who carries around maps of shit in his pocket.
Speaker 2: Come on a debate between Newsom and DeSantis. Let's turn
Speaker 2: live to DC with Ronnie Chain. Yeah. Now, Ronnie, this
Speaker 2: broadcast got huge ratings for Fox News, But does they
Speaker 2: justify having this kind of debate?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 10: Yeah, this debate was great, Charlemagne. We got to hear
Speaker 10: from the guy who's not going to be president and
Speaker 10: the other guy who's not going to be president. I mean,
Speaker 10: this was a bigger waste of airtime than softcore porn. Right,
Speaker 10: who doesn't know about regular hatcore porn. These debates are
Speaker 10: just a bunch of desperate people having meaningless fights, and
Speaker 10: it's a cheap rating stunt, and quite frankly, America deserves better.
Speaker 2: That's interesting, Ronnie, our debate's a cheap rating stunt. That's
Speaker 2: the subject of tonight's debate. Let's bring in Dessielideck, Desie,
Speaker 2: Desie your thoughts. You have sixty seconds.
Speaker 1: Wait, what the heck is going on?
Speaker 11: Thanks for having me tonight, Charlemagne. As the daughter of
Speaker 11: a father, I believe this country runs on televised debates
Speaker 11: times like this. I think of my friend rita daughter
Speaker 11: of a mother, who works the night shift as a
Speaker 11: lunch lady in the cornfields. She cries herself to sleep
Speaker 11: every night thinking about Ronnie Chang, America, we can do better.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Daisy. Ronnie your response?
Speaker 12: Who is Rita? What is going on? How do I
Speaker 12: get on a debate stage? Guys, I'm not participating in
Speaker 12: a stupid debate about.
Speaker 11: A debate that's debatable. Look, don't just take my word
Speaker 11: for it. Let's look at the numbers, Charlemagne. This is
Speaker 11: a map of all the places in New York City
Speaker 11: where Ronnie Chang has pooped. As you can see, it's alarming.
Speaker 12: Okaybes so once, this is not your business.
Speaker 2: Okay again, I'm not.
Speaker 12: Debating here, but if I was, this is just a
Speaker 12: cheap stunt.
Speaker 11: I guess Ronnie doesn't want America to know the truth.
Speaker 11: I urge all voters is to visit Ronnie dumps dot
Speaker 11: com and see for yourself.
Speaker 2: Who cares where I pooped?
Speaker 13: Well?
Speaker 11: Call me a constitutionalist, but I think the American people
Speaker 11: have the right to know that you pooped three times
Speaker 11: at the nine to eleven memorial.
Speaker 2: That seems hi, Ronnie, anything you want to say about that.
Speaker 12: I didn't pope three times? Okay, one was a false
Speaker 12: a love stop.
Speaker 1: This is stupid.
Speaker 12: That's two random people arguing about this.
Speaker 2: You know what, Ronnie I agree with you. You're absolutely
Speaker 2: right we should bring in a third opinion.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the stage, Michael Costa. Well, Michael, as an
Speaker 3: independent correspondent.
Speaker 2: Your thoughts, We do not need Michael to step in here.
Speaker 13: Well you know, well, of course Ronnie doesn't think so.
Speaker 1: In his world.
Speaker 13: There's only room for two sides in this debate. And look,
Speaker 13: maybe I don't fit the establishment.
Speaker 14: Mold.
Speaker 13: You know, ninety percent of my donation are five dollars
Speaker 13: bills that I take from tip jars at coffee shops.
Speaker 13: But I still deserve to be taken seriously in this debate.
Speaker 13: But instead my voice is marginalized by the powers that be. Again,
Speaker 13: nothing new to the black and brown community.
Speaker 2: The way, I want to thank everyone for the bed
Speaker 2: of your night, Dessie, Rannie and Michael Copper. When we
Speaker 2: come back, I'll ask you what's your favorite music at
Speaker 2: a year lost? But I'll go anywhere. Welcome back to
Speaker 2: the Daily. So if you listen to music on Spotify,
Speaker 2: you know that last week they dropped their Spotify wrapped.
Speaker 2: Everyone found out what music they listened to the most.
Speaker 2: So I hit the streets to find out who listened
Speaker 2: to what, and then I judged them for it. Check
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: It's that time of year where everybody judges everybody for
Speaker 2: what's on their Spotify rap playlist. So let's talk to
Speaker 2: some people here in New York and see what's on
Speaker 2: their Spotify rap playlist. Okay, would y'all say y'all have
Speaker 2: good taste of music?
Speaker 3: I think so.
Speaker 2: So do you think your Spotify rap playlist reflects that? No?
Speaker 6: Yeah, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: You don't look too confident on the counter. Three right,
Speaker 2: I want y'all to point at your friend and I
Speaker 2: want you to say who you think is the number
Speaker 2: one artists on your Spotify rap one? Two three day?
Speaker 2: All right, I'm covering my eyes because one of y'all
Speaker 2: are gonna hand me your phone, and I'm gonna guess
Speaker 2: who gave you the phones based on what your Spotify
Speaker 2: rap playlist looks like. Okay, okay, okay, all right, Sizza,
Speaker 2: Billy Eilish, Dominique, Fike, Frank Ocean, and Taylor Swift. It's
Speaker 2: a lot of man ain't on this playlist. Guy, you're Swifty,
Speaker 2: Yes it's you.
Speaker 9: Yes, you've never made it on my Top artist itis
Speaker 9: the first time this year.
Speaker 2: She's had a great year. She has got a big
Speaker 2: ye who you Got? Who you Got? Who you Got? Beyonce,
Speaker 2: Miley Cyrus, Okay, Miley Cyrus.
Speaker 9: Her last album is excellent.
Speaker 2: Old play Loud.
Speaker 1: Who's It's It's like a music composer, Ransom, He's very cool. Really.
Speaker 2: Zimmer recommends him as well. Who the hell is Pom Zimmer?
Speaker 2: You think it's okay to just based on their race? No?
Speaker 13: Not rocking with that.
Speaker 2: You think it's okay to people no? Oh no, you
Speaker 2: think it's okay to judge people based on their effects
Speaker 2: like gender?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 12: No, no.
Speaker 2: But about this Spotify rap playlist? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Not even a question. You get so judgmental when it
Speaker 2: comes to that. I think I think it's.
Speaker 8: Very telling of lifestyle interests obvious.
Speaker 2: There are so many people that are They say they're
Speaker 2: listening to one artist and then the rap comes out
Speaker 2: and Taylor Switch is number one. Are you upset that
Speaker 2: there they like Taylor Swift or just that they lied
Speaker 2: about liking Taylor Swip?
Speaker 11: Maybe both.
Speaker 1: I'm not upset about it. I value honestly.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's the last thing you saw on somebody's playlist
Speaker 2: that made you go to Hamilton Heavy?
Speaker 9: Metal music like, nothing against it, but yeah, something personally
Speaker 9: I'm into.
Speaker 14: So it's a little too hardcore for me.
Speaker 2: Make you suel like they might worship the devil? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I hope not, but not that.
Speaker 5: Anyone who just needs to post it on the story,
Speaker 5: like anyone who needs.
Speaker 1: To tell you.
Speaker 6: Maybe country music for me, Taylor, do you think.
Speaker 2: You lost a lot of minutes on your Spotify? Let
Speaker 2: me see what you got? Thirty one thousand, six hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty five decent.
Speaker 1: That's decent, that's whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you think you needed like a hobby or something
Speaker 2: you think you might be.
Speaker 1: I just thought, just listen sixty one to the right.
Speaker 2: You got producing everything sense. Yeah, you're studying your craft. Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: If you weren't, I'll tell you get a girlfriend or something.
Speaker 12: That's crazy.
Speaker 8: Are you guys have girlfriends or now you guys relationships?
Speaker 2: They're no better meat. There's no red meat.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no shorts.
Speaker 12: We have each other.
Speaker 2: And you got over sixty six thousand minutes listened of
Speaker 2: R and B. How much sexy you have it? So
Speaker 2: would you have a ghostart? Dump somebody because it's on
Speaker 2: that Spotify rap playlist.
Speaker 14: I would dump them if they didn't have one because
Speaker 14: they're using Apple Music.
Speaker 3: Wow, it's like, what what about your rather from Spotify?
Speaker 2: Oh my god? The title, but definitely not the Apple
Speaker 2: I don't know about. When we come back, author A.
Speaker 2: Cobby will be joining me on the show, so I'll
Speaker 2: go anywhere. Welcome back to the Daily Show. My guest
Speaker 2: tonight is the award winning and best selling author from
Speaker 2: Southeast Virginia. His latest hit thriller is All the Senters
Speaker 2: Bleed in the audible original brokedown prophets. Please welcome, say Cosby.
Speaker 1: I'm glad, I'm thank you a man breaching bron How
Speaker 1: you feeling, sir, crazy? It's been a crazy year, so okay,
Speaker 1: it feels surreal.
Speaker 2: Man, it's been a great year for you all the Senates.
Speaker 2: Bleed made the Washington Post Best Thrillers of twenty twenty three,
Speaker 2: listened to New York Times Best Crime Novels of twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three, and Barack Obama said you want his favorite office?
Speaker 2: How did that feel?
Speaker 1: You know what's funny?
Speaker 14: It feels like one of those things where it's like
Speaker 14: a dream and you like, please don't pinch me, don't
Speaker 14: nobody wake me up? And you know at least I
Speaker 14: got my pants on because a lot of dreams I don't.
Speaker 14: So all right, okay, man, I'm not saying I'm by
Speaker 14: myself with that.
Speaker 2: I mean they might not know if you've got pants
Speaker 2: on that. Stephen King reviewed all the Senate's bleed for
Speaker 2: The New York Times. He wrote, Cosby keeps his eye
Speaker 2: on the story and the pedal to the medal. You
Speaker 2: know what's it like? In a positive view from Stephen King?
Speaker 1: Man, it's again, it's the craziest thing.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 14: You know, I grew up in souther Nvirginia, really poor.
Speaker 14: I never could afford to buy Stephen King books, so
Speaker 14: I'd always go to the library and read them and
Speaker 14: like be transported this other world that he's creating, and
Speaker 14: like for him to say that about me, it's the
Speaker 14: best thing ever. I mean, it's like, it's not yeah.
Speaker 1: What I like though?
Speaker 3: Man?
Speaker 2: I like I like your story of how you just
Speaker 2: kept it going because you know, four critically acclaimed novels
Speaker 2: in just five years, but your first novel was rejected
Speaker 2: sixty three times.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah that sucks.
Speaker 2: Why were you keeping count sixty three times? What made
Speaker 2: you keep going?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 1: I just felt like I had this thing inside me.
Speaker 1: I had to do it. I had to tell a story.
Speaker 1: My mother.
Speaker 14: She's passed away, but she used to say when I
Speaker 14: get down, she's like, you know, birds got to sing,
Speaker 14: bee's got to sting.
Speaker 1: You gotta write. So you know.
Speaker 14: You from the country, Yeah, yeah, yeah, oh yeah, down
Speaker 14: on scrapple and bacon and peak feed. So and that's
Speaker 14: what I like about your book too, Like, you know,
Speaker 14: a lot of your protagonists are African American men in
Speaker 14: rural Virginia, you know what I'm saying, not the typical,
Speaker 14: you know characters you see in national bestselling thrillers.
Speaker 2: Was it hard to find publishers? Did they not understand
Speaker 2: the world that we come from? Come from South Carolina?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was very difficult to up out.
Speaker 14: The publisher tell me that my books weren't black enough
Speaker 14: because they weren't set in like Philly or New.
Speaker 1: Jersey or New York. And I was like, but I'm
Speaker 1: pretty black.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, there's nothing blacker than the South exactly,
Speaker 2: part and soul of black Americas exactly. I think over
Speaker 2: what sixty percent of all black people in Americas lived
Speaker 2: in the South.
Speaker 14: Everybody that came up in North and the great migration
Speaker 14: came from the South.
Speaker 1: You know, we started in Virginia. We built this country.
Speaker 14: So for you to tell me, oh, because the people
Speaker 14: my books have accents that we're not black enough, It's like,
Speaker 14: all right, well you come down my neck it was,
Speaker 14: and see what you think now.
Speaker 1: It's not a threat. I'm just saying.
Speaker 2: That sounded like with that song catch you in a small.
Speaker 1: Town like me? They tried they can try it.
Speaker 2: Now. All the sinners bleed about a black sheriff trying
Speaker 2: to catch a serial killer raisabl Tis two x con
Speaker 2: seeking revenge for the murder of their gay signs. Do
Speaker 2: you start with developing the mystery or the social commentary?
Speaker 1: I actually start with the characters.
Speaker 14: I mean, like I think the plots, they're not There's
Speaker 14: only a couple you can do.
Speaker 1: You know that.
Speaker 14: You know, it's not that you're not reinventing the wheel here.
Speaker 14: It's always about the characters and what their story is.
Speaker 14: You know, I'm not the most original writer, but I
Speaker 14: think I'm a pretty good elaborator.
Speaker 2: So are they all linked? No?
Speaker 14: Not what they all like in the sort of essay
Speaker 14: cosby shared universe. But you don't have to read any
Speaker 14: of them in the order. You can read them anytime
Speaker 14: you want. Other people from some books make appearances and others.
Speaker 14: And I like putting those Easter eggs in there. And
Speaker 14: so it's funny though, because you'll have a reader that
Speaker 14: will like find that character.
Speaker 1: Like, what were you thinking when you wrote that? I'm like,
Speaker 1: I wrote that book a year ago.
Speaker 14: Man, Like, I appreciate you buying it, but like, you know,
Speaker 14: I don't know what to tell you about that.
Speaker 2: When you're laying in the bed with no pants on,
Speaker 2: do you ever start does the freak you out that
Speaker 2: you have to start thinking like a serial killer? Do
Speaker 2: you ever think, damn, I'd be good at this?
Speaker 14: You know, I really don't think like a serial killer.
Speaker 14: I sort of like like I had a conversation with
Speaker 14: Dennis Lhanyanes a couple of years ago. It's like one
Speaker 14: of my writing idols, and he was talking about how
Speaker 14: difficult it is for him to write really dark stuff.
Speaker 14: I don't know if it's something wrong with him, something
Speaker 14: wrong me, because it don't bother me. Like I'll chop
Speaker 14: some people up in a witch up and then go
Speaker 14: play my cat that doesn't phase made in the book? Yeah,
Speaker 14: me in the book. In the book, can't they go?
Speaker 14: I mean when the sound someone's got handle stuff by yourself.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know we've worked together along with Kevin Hart
Speaker 2: on the audible original Broke Down Profits. Yes, yeah, the
Speaker 2: novel is performed by a full cast instead of a
Speaker 2: single narrator. When you are writing for an audio production,
Speaker 2: are you directing it in your head as you write?
Speaker 14: It's so funny because I'd never written a script or
Speaker 14: anything like that before. So when y'all guys approached me
Speaker 14: about it, I was like, all right, I mean, I'll
Speaker 14: do it. I'll try and see what happens. And I
Speaker 14: downloaded a whole bunch of like screenwriting apps and books
Speaker 14: and stuff like that. But what happened was it became
Speaker 14: really for me. It was almost easier than writing a novel,
Speaker 14: because you don't hate a novel. You have to describe everything.
Speaker 14: You have to do the internal monologue, all that kind
Speaker 14: of stuff. Like, and I'm not really good at some
Speaker 14: things like describing spaces in a novel, so like if
Speaker 14: you built a house basically the way I have describing
Speaker 14: a novel, be like seventy feet long and twelvey wide.
Speaker 1: So like I got around that.
Speaker 14: Doing all dialogue and it was really fun. It was
Speaker 14: incredible experience for me and a really an honor to
Speaker 14: work with you.
Speaker 1: Guys.
Speaker 2: We like working with you too. You say tragic and
Speaker 2: toxic masculinity runs through your work intentionally, Like, I'm aware
Speaker 2: of toxic masculinity, masculinity, But what do you mean by tragic?
Speaker 14: I think tragic masculinity is the idea that you can change,
Speaker 14: you can be better, you can communicate, you can be
Speaker 14: honest with your feelings, but it's just outside of your reach, and.
Speaker 1: It's the idea that you want it.
Speaker 14: I think when you have somebody who's imbue with toxic masculinity,
Speaker 14: they're not thinking that way.
Speaker 1: They're not doing any kind of self analysis.
Speaker 14: But my characters, I call it tragic masculinity because they
Speaker 14: do think about the mistakes they made, the regrets, the
Speaker 14: recriminations that they've been through. So for me, it's almost
Speaker 14: an optimistic way of looking at a very difficult subject.
Speaker 2: You love the South like I love the South, but
Speaker 2: you say it's a microcosm for what's wrong with the nation.
Speaker 2: If you were to write a thriller about the political
Speaker 2: state we're in, what would you call it?
Speaker 1: Ain't just some shit.
Speaker 2: And brought down prophets off there. Now we're gonna take
Speaker 2: a quick break, but well be right back after this.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it absolutely, Thank you so much.
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