WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: Mark Ronson

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to another episode of Course Love Supreme.

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<v Speaker 2>I am your host Quest Love.

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<v Speaker 1>We have Team Supreme with us. Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what, guys, I've been getting a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>feedback on the internet's and saying that I'm not asking

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<v Speaker 2>enough of Team Supreme where.

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<v Speaker 1>Their life is right now? Someone actually, wow, they actually care,

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<v Speaker 1>they care.

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<v Speaker 2>Someone went like, yo, you used to check up on

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<v Speaker 2>how Fante's house is doing and any repairs.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm I'm I'm.

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<v Speaker 2>Asking how how's your uh, how's your time been?

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<v Speaker 1>Fonte? The last month or so, it's been good man

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<v Speaker 1>doing doing more repairs. We did.

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<v Speaker 3>We did windows and we're waiting on like windows like

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<v Speaker 3>the gum because like they measured something wrong so they

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<v Speaker 3>gotta come and replace them. But the windows, but else

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<v Speaker 3>I had to replace. I had to replace my age

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<v Speaker 3>rat unit that went out. I think that was actually

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<v Speaker 3>last summer that went out that went recording right No no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>my a, Yeah, so I do that.

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<v Speaker 1>So did that and yeah, but other than that were

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<v Speaker 1>killing man. I'm cool. It's good here.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh Steve, how's how's your life going?

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<v Speaker 4>It's going keeping it moving. I'm inspired by the reopening

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<v Speaker 4>of everything and hoping that have you.

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<v Speaker 1>Been going places? Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>Hell now, so you're places opening, but you're not going

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<v Speaker 2>to these places I'm finding.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm I'm finding my solace and work, going to going

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<v Speaker 4>to work every day, as as we happened for a

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<v Speaker 4>long time. But now that the audiences are coming back,

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<v Speaker 4>it's uh, it's it's another step.

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<v Speaker 1>I feel you.

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<v Speaker 2>Last night I went to uh, I went to a

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<v Speaker 2>brother Love event and I think I think I stayed

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<v Speaker 2>of all of two minutes.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the other Oh yeah, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the miss the missus wasn't happening that like this

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<v Speaker 2>second we walked in and it was like a nightclub.

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<v Speaker 3>Are they requiring at at fallon? Are they requiring like

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<v Speaker 3>vaccination or for the audience, like what's you gotta get?

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<v Speaker 1>You gotta get vaccines and and.

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<v Speaker 6>You know cars that they had the kids feeling out

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<v Speaker 6>at the CBS.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh guard homemade bootleg joints their hand. That's great. How

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<v Speaker 1>are you?

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<v Speaker 6>I'm great, I'm great. Working a lot podcasts after the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>And you got three podcasts, you're like your like quest love.

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<v Speaker 6>Here, I'm trying to be sir, I'm trying to diversify,

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<v Speaker 6>and by the time this podcast airs, I would have

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<v Speaker 6>had my first museum showing. My father would have had

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<v Speaker 6>his first museum showing for his photos at the National

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<v Speaker 6>Museum of African American Music in Tennessee. So we've been

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<v Speaker 6>curating that, me and Deianna for Black Music Month, and

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<v Speaker 6>it's been a lot and it's I'm just happy that

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<v Speaker 6>it's probably gonna be over by the time you'll have.

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<v Speaker 2>Word to fuck out. Congratulations, man's thanks, that's what's up.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. We are honored to have

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<v Speaker 2>a gentleman with us. Yes, I consider him a gentleman

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<v Speaker 2>and a friend. He's pretty much accomplished the world in

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<v Speaker 2>the past two decades. Wait side question, Mark, does it

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<v Speaker 2>even feel like you've been You're like a you're a

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<v Speaker 2>twenty year veteran, you're a twenty three year veteran, Like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you're You're not like our kid brother anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>You're you're You're.

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<v Speaker 2>I was just looking like, Wow, Martin's been doing this

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<v Speaker 2>shit for twenty years.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Mark looks old.

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<v Speaker 5>That's what I was about to say. You look the same.

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<v Speaker 7>No, I guess none of those things And you know.

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<v Speaker 7>Of course, we all know that as you get older,

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<v Speaker 7>pockets of time, uh they quicker because they're less a

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<v Speaker 7>fraction of your life. But it is bizarre, And I

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<v Speaker 7>think like when like, certainly to me, the people I

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<v Speaker 7>grew up, you know, looking up to you Q tip

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<v Speaker 7>like you don't like when you guys And I'm not

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<v Speaker 7>trying to blow you up turned fifty, Like I certainly

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<v Speaker 7>like you didn't feel fifty to me at all. Like

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<v Speaker 7>that's kind of bizarre, But maybe that's because I need

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<v Speaker 7>to just not think that anybody's older who's older than me.

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<v Speaker 2>You literally, if I were to see like my memory

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<v Speaker 2>of you as a nineteen year old or twenty year

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<v Speaker 2>older versus now, I wouldn't tell the difference, right, Like

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<v Speaker 2>you have a you have a gene and you that

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<v Speaker 2>might be the cousin who black don't crack because you're

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<v Speaker 2>you look the same, Uh.

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<v Speaker 7>You don't, stew I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>What anyway, y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>You know he's accomplished musician and songwriter, producer, label CEO

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<v Speaker 2>and still an accomplished DJ. If that doesn't impress you,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, check his resume. Name him Adele Winehouse Mars

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<v Speaker 2>Meriwether Cyrus Wialle DiAngelo freaking Duran Duran. Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to get to that part. Seven time?

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<v Speaker 2>Am I getting the number right? It's definitely seven time

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<v Speaker 2>Grammy winner. Yes, yes, okay, including the coveted Producer of

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<v Speaker 2>the Year. I'm only asking that because even now, like

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<v Speaker 2>people keep fudging my numbers and they never get the

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<v Speaker 2>number five right. They're like two time Grammy winner quest

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<v Speaker 2>Love three times. I kind of want to be that

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<v Speaker 2>guy that's like Grammy. Yeah, you know, I can't do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome to quest Love Supreme, the

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<v Speaker 2>One and only ark Onson.

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<v Speaker 7>Guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, where you Where are you right now? Mark? You're

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<v Speaker 1>in your your lab?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I'm in my lab in Soho in New York.

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<v Speaker 7>I just moved back in. This is the place I

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<v Speaker 7>actually had in the mid two thousands, right when I

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<v Speaker 7>met Amy. And you know, I was in this place

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<v Speaker 7>for a couple of years and then moved back to

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<v Speaker 7>England for a while, moved to la and you know,

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<v Speaker 7>because of COVID and people fleeing the city like they did.

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<v Speaker 7>I was walking past this building and it was actually

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<v Speaker 7>on Amy's birthday and I was just like like feeling

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<v Speaker 7>a little sentimental, like, let me just buzz up and

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<v Speaker 7>see what's see what's in there? So I buzzed in

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<v Speaker 7>the the landlord I kind of gave I have horrible

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<v Speaker 7>making long winded stories that don't get to the point,

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<v Speaker 7>so please put me.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay. So I was like, hey, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 7>you remember, Mark, I used to be on the fifth

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<v Speaker 7>floor and I got it done, and I just thought

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<v Speaker 7>because I wanted to come upstairs. He's like, what, you

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<v Speaker 7>want to rent the space again? And I was like, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>that's it. I want to rent the space again. So

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<v Speaker 7>I came upstairs and I see this abandoned probably what

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<v Speaker 7>was like a jingle house in between when I was

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<v Speaker 7>here last, and I was just like wow, I mean

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<v Speaker 7>and you know, New York rents are a bit of

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<v Speaker 7>a song right now. And I took this place back over,

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<v Speaker 7>so you know, I really just came in thinking of Amy.

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<v Speaker 7>It was her birthday. I just thought like, maybe i'll

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<v Speaker 7>get a little picture. I remember what that room felt like.

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<v Speaker 7>And then it just led to me being.

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<v Speaker 1>Back here, and then you got cond into ring it again.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, but I loved I forgot this place has a

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<v Speaker 7>really good vibe. It was never like a very like

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<v Speaker 7>a name studio, like a hip factory or you know,

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<v Speaker 7>power station. But the but Norah Jones's first record, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>the big one, was made here. We did most of

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<v Speaker 7>Back to Black, like all the demo writing. So there's like,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, just places have a juju like it's just

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<v Speaker 7>just something in the walls.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just.

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<v Speaker 7>Kind of nice.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm telling you right now, don't give it up,

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<v Speaker 2>because I mean I have a I have a certain

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<v Speaker 2>superstition when it comes to whenever producer's upgrade, and so

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<v Speaker 2>the place where you found that magic, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>in producers' minds is like.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta grow and I gotta expand. But I can

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<v Speaker 1>show you.

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<v Speaker 2>The history of where the slow wan starts, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>usually when success comes in and then they upgrade, and

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<v Speaker 2>then they upgrade and then it's just not the same anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, if if this is, if that's your

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<v Speaker 2>spot where you know you're you're, you're the good vibes were,

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<v Speaker 2>then I tell you you should spot you should.

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<v Speaker 7>Can I definitely I've been on the other side of

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<v Speaker 7>that equation too. I moved into this like basement kind

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<v Speaker 7>of hole. It was mildew and like damp in the

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<v Speaker 7>East village and in like two thousand and three, and

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<v Speaker 7>I remember getting a call from this guise and I

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<v Speaker 7>was like, hey, uh, you know, the Strokes used to

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<v Speaker 7>have that room and they're working on their second record

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<v Speaker 7>and they're really having like a hard time, like they

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<v Speaker 7>might want that room back because that was their weird

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<v Speaker 7>magic room where they it was called the Transporter room

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<v Speaker 7>where they made the first record. I was, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 7>was a big Strokes fan, so I was just like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>fuck it, I'll move out of here. It never happened

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<v Speaker 7>in the end, but like I know that that what that?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh?

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<v Speaker 7>What that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll ask you, and I actually said this on

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<v Speaker 2>your podcast that you know, I purposely held back from

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<v Speaker 2>asking you certain questions in real life, knowing that one

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<v Speaker 2>day you'd eventually make it to the show. So I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to waste any answers or whatnot. So great

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<v Speaker 2>for those of us that don't know, could you please

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<v Speaker 2>tell us where you were born, what city you were.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I was born in London. My parents are English,

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<v Speaker 7>and then I moved to New York when I was

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<v Speaker 7>eight and I was pretty much I consider myself in

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<v Speaker 7>New Yorker, like definitely, but I have ties to London.

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<v Speaker 7>My family, there, a lot of family that I go.

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<v Speaker 7>I've spent time there. I didn't really realize, weirdly, until

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<v Speaker 7>I started making music and the music came out and

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<v Speaker 7>it did well in England and like when like fucking

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<v Speaker 7>sold eight copies here that I had to be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 7>maybe this connection to England that I like completely forgot

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<v Speaker 7>about most of my life musically is more is kind

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<v Speaker 7>of more in my output than I really realized.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>So wait, let me ask you about your your time

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<v Speaker 2>in England. First of all, are you consciously aware or

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<v Speaker 2>unaware of when your.

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<v Speaker 1>Accent sneaks in and sneaks out?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's fucking terrible. I mean I used to hate it.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean when you moved to a country. I moved

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<v Speaker 7>here when I was eight from England, and like, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>kids are merciless at that age, and they tease you,

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<v Speaker 7>and I you know, they call me, call me, which

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<v Speaker 7>doesn't make any sense because yeah, they call me, call me,

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<v Speaker 7>like shut up, call me, like you know, because it's

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<v Speaker 7>like the middle of like the you know, the Cold

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<v Speaker 7>War or something. Right, I have a funny accent, and

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<v Speaker 7>then and then you try and lose it to fit

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<v Speaker 7>in as quickly. And then I would go back to

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<v Speaker 7>England to see my friends and be like, why do

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<v Speaker 7>you sound so American? Like I realized it was just

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<v Speaker 7>my you know, my little like it was. I was

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<v Speaker 7>never going to be able to kind of sound like

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<v Speaker 7>I was from one place. I hear it when I'm

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<v Speaker 7>in England and my voice starts to change in the

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<v Speaker 7>back of a taccent, and as part of it, it

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<v Speaker 7>makes me think, like, what am I like this spineless

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<v Speaker 7>guy who can't commit to one accent? Am I such

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<v Speaker 7>a chameleon? And am I so like unsure like or

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<v Speaker 7>trying to please people in public snaries that I'm that easily?

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<v Speaker 7>But I just I realized I have no control over

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<v Speaker 7>it anymore. So I just fucking I've just given up.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you definitely talk like you like I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>you'd talk American or English. But like I'd always wondered

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<v Speaker 2>in your head, are you trying to navigate the vehicle

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<v Speaker 2>so that you.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't reveal your English side to us?

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<v Speaker 2>And if you're over there, you don't reveal your American

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<v Speaker 2>side to them?

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<v Speaker 7>No, because I definitely. I've definitely sounded American as soon

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<v Speaker 7>as I went back to England the first time. I'd

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<v Speaker 7>only been in America for like a year. And they're like,

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<v Speaker 7>why you sound like a fucking yank now, mate? And

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<v Speaker 7>or you know, obviously there were nine year old kids.

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<v Speaker 7>They didn't sound like a like a like a pub bartender.

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<v Speaker 7>But yeah, no, I hear it when I'm like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 7>we all have all these different mechanisms that we used

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<v Speaker 7>to assimilate, you know, their social mechanisms. How we just

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<v Speaker 7>like if you're standing next to the one and they

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<v Speaker 7>crossing their arms and suddenly you start crossing arms. It's

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<v Speaker 7>just like coding and genetics and evolution. But I just like,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, poor Josh Stone, she got it really bad.

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<v Speaker 7>She was like the first person her and I remember,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm a right, Everyone's like, why they fucking sound like

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<v Speaker 7>that now? Josh Stone for sounding American? Madonna for sounding English?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 7>But and so I always was like, oh, is there

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<v Speaker 7>something that when you sound when you switch it up

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<v Speaker 7>that much? Is that is that inauthentic? Like that's the

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<v Speaker 7>only thing I didn't want to be read as inauthentic.

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<v Speaker 5>Reason for sounding like that? They did well. I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know about Josh, I didn't know about that.

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<v Speaker 6>But Donna, Madonna just came out of nowhere and was like,

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<v Speaker 6>why does she sound like that?

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<v Speaker 2>That happens though, Yo, Like after the year I was

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<v Speaker 2>saying the word yeah after everything yeah rum yeah yeah, like.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah yeah yeah exactly, and everything has to end

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<v Speaker 7>exactly In England, all the sentences end like on a

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<v Speaker 7>slightly higher note than they started, and you say yeah

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<v Speaker 7>at the answer, it's like, all right, so I see

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<v Speaker 7>at the club lady yeah. Fuck. Like everything just like

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<v Speaker 7>goes into this like lilt.

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<v Speaker 2>It's kind of like Brooklyn, Brooklyn, like when we first

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<v Speaker 2>got here to record do you want more? Like every

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<v Speaker 2>that whole era of like ninety three to ninety four,

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<v Speaker 2>especially like when Tarik was hanging with like the Gang

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<v Speaker 2>Star Foundation and all those cats and they were just

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<v Speaker 2>talking mad Brooklyn, but like everything was interrogative like they

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<v Speaker 2>were it was asked if they were always asking questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Yo, how many pairs of booms you got?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Eat over there, kid, Like everything is a question.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And using the word aggie, which I've yet to

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<v Speaker 2>see any other place in the world use aggie except.

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<v Speaker 7>For yeah, my sister. Weirdly, Charlotte uses that word all

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<v Speaker 7>the time, but just only from like hearing it in

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<v Speaker 7>jay Z songs and she just loves that show. She

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<v Speaker 7>just always goes like, why are you acting all Aggie?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? Mark, what was your first musical memory?

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<v Speaker 7>I have like almost snapshots in my head, like partial memories.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember having a little trap drum kit when I

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<v Speaker 7>was three or four. I I remember also having it

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<v Speaker 7>was either a Sony or Fisher Price record player that

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<v Speaker 7>was like plastic, like.

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<v Speaker 3>A brown joint or like a little tan one, like

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<v Speaker 3>a little tan joint, whereas.

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<v Speaker 7>No, this was like primary colors. It was like red.

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<v Speaker 7>Maybe it was just like an English one. It was

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<v Speaker 7>like red, yellow, green. And I just remember lifting the

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<v Speaker 7>needle and putting it down on the record and just

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<v Speaker 7>that excitement when the first like crackle happened, and then

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<v Speaker 7>like just being like whoa, I can control this. I

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<v Speaker 7>mean it's so not I mean it's not even deep

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<v Speaker 7>enough to compare it to DJ because it literally is DJing.

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<v Speaker 7>But yeah, those are some of my first first memories.

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<v Speaker 1>Mark.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll be the first to admit I was today years

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<v Speaker 2>old before I realized that you're not at all related

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<v Speaker 2>to Mick Ronson no, which I think the whole world

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<v Speaker 2>thinks you are. Yeah, your stepfather is Mick Jones. At

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<v Speaker 2>how is this a common mistake that all of us

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<v Speaker 2>had made. Yeah, in my mind, your dad was Mick Ronson,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, no, his dad was Mick Jones.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I get it.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, No, it was crazy because even before like Wikipedia,

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<v Speaker 7>like in the early two thousand, when I first came out,

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<v Speaker 7>like you know, Wikipedia's made it pretty common that if

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<v Speaker 7>like somebody gets a fact wrong, it just kind of

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<v Speaker 7>just stays there. It stays there, stays there. But this

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<v Speaker 7>is weirdly like one of the examples of of a

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<v Speaker 7>wrong fact staying there before Wikipedia. And I think it

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<v Speaker 7>was because when I first came out in England, where

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<v Speaker 7>I had my initials, like my only success really with

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<v Speaker 7>my with my solo record, the first one that yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>they knew that my stepdad was a musician named Mick,

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<v Speaker 7>or they knew I was related to somebody music They Mike,

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<v Speaker 7>and my last name is Ronson, so it must be

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<v Speaker 7>Mick Ronson. So this started to get written a lot

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<v Speaker 7>in the in the in the Times of London or something,

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<v Speaker 7>and uh, Mick Ronson's poor like widow Mick Ronson obviously

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<v Speaker 7>being the genius arranger guitar player for Boeing and Spiders

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<v Speaker 7>from Mars rights to the newspaper, and she's like, she's

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<v Speaker 7>she's like, if my you know, thinks that I'm some

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<v Speaker 7>either some weird bastard child that he had out of

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<v Speaker 7>wedlock or maybe somebody claiming falsely to be the son

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<v Speaker 7>of mcronson. And she sued the newspaper, I think cause

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<v Speaker 7>she's like, you know, I think that was probably stressful

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<v Speaker 7>for her to be, like, wait, is there some fucking

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<v Speaker 7>ronson running around here? Well up, so I think she's

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<v Speaker 7>I think mc ronson's widow sued the paper at that time.

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<v Speaker 7>But then, you know, obviously I did my best to

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<v Speaker 7>clear up and also because you know, I'm proud of

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<v Speaker 7>my stepdad, I don't want people to think I'm trying

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<v Speaker 7>to write off the coattails of some wrong information. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not related to mc ronson, just a fan.

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<v Speaker 1>Damn.

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<v Speaker 2>I never It's never even occurred to me that I

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<v Speaker 2>can just start suing people for false rumors or whatever,

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<v Speaker 2>because yeah, you know, Wikipedia insists that my grandfather is

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<v Speaker 2>a member of the Dicks Hummingbird's Beachie Thompson and people.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is like reporters just fall in love

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<v Speaker 2>with this whole thing of like wow, three three generations

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<v Speaker 2>of music makers. Your your grandfather is in the rock

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<v Speaker 2>and roll Hall of Fame. Your dad was a legendary

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<v Speaker 2>d opera. Now it's you and now just I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have the strength anymore. I actually met Beachy Thompson's family,

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<v Speaker 2>like I think maybe a nephew or two lives out

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<v Speaker 2>in LA and they just they're claiming me now.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it's like we got the same last name.

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<v Speaker 1>You might as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Just myth becomes legend, print the legend exactly, fuck exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 7>Also, Wikipedia is like the easiest thing to sort of

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<v Speaker 7>fix anyway, So what like there's just some guy that

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<v Speaker 7>whenever someone works for you change it, it just goes

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<v Speaker 7>back and just puts it back like we like the

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<v Speaker 7>old way.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I to try to erase it, and it just

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<v Speaker 2>winds up back there like three days later, So forget it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I can't do nothing about it.

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<v Speaker 7>My favorite like weird thing on somebody posts on Wikipedia

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<v Speaker 7>that was just so preposterous that I just had to

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<v Speaker 7>laugh and leave it was that. It said, it was like,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, all the way down the thing personal life,

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<v Speaker 7>he grew up in Dada dah, it's like the fourth paragraph,

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<v Speaker 7>it's like And also at the age of six years old,

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<v Speaker 7>he actually wrote the theme song to the hit cartoon ThunderCats,

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<v Speaker 7>but originally wrote it as a tribute. Bennett wrote as

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<v Speaker 7>a tribute to Benedict Cumberbatch, and the theme went cumber Bat,

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<v Speaker 7>cumber Bat, cumber Back, and I was like, I can't

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<v Speaker 7>even take that out. It's too good.

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<v Speaker 5>That's awesome, all.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So there you have it. You're all exclusive. You

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<v Speaker 2>sleep writ in the ThunderCats. I'll take that. I'll take that.

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<v Speaker 2>So in growing up, you're saying that drums was might

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<v Speaker 2>have been your first weapon.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah. When I was my parents were kind of like,

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<v Speaker 7>they liked to party. They had a lot. There was

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<v Speaker 7>always people over in the house. And I would wake

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<v Speaker 7>up in the middle the night and I would probably

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<v Speaker 7>I walk into what I'm told and vaguely recalls his

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<v Speaker 7>sea have grown up, smoking, drinking whatever, probably walking through

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<v Speaker 7>the room, getting pat on the head, and I would

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<v Speaker 7>just go straight for the speakers wherever the music was playing,

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<v Speaker 7>and I would sin front of the speakers and just

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<v Speaker 7>close my eyes and play air drums to like whatever

0:20:20.800 --> 0:20:25.639
<v Speaker 7>was playing like that was my like zone. And Simon Kirk,

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<v Speaker 7>the drummer from Bad Company and Free was there one

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<v Speaker 7>night and just was like a friend and and the

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<v Speaker 7>of my parents was like, hey, like he looks like

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<v Speaker 7>he'd have fun on the drums, Like he kind of

0:20:36.720 --> 0:20:38.320
<v Speaker 7>looks like he knows what he's doing. Getting a kit

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<v Speaker 7>and they got me a little kit. My and my dad,

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<v Speaker 7>my real dad, loved music like a typical English soul

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<v Speaker 7>boy in the sixties, like had Stacks, winder k Frog,

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<v Speaker 7>like all those forty five's and you know, northern soul

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<v Speaker 7>stuff too, and just that's what he played in the house.

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<v Speaker 7>So that's kind of just what it was like. It

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<v Speaker 7>was like groove music, you know, and that's what I

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<v Speaker 7>was kind of drawn to.

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<v Speaker 6>Can I just want to ask what your parents did,

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<v Speaker 6>because I feel like in some way your life has

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<v Speaker 6>been romanticized or even hell a dopey as.

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<v Speaker 7>Far as my dad managed bands, and he he came

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<v Speaker 7>from like a kind of like you know, a family

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<v Speaker 7>that was like you're supposed to like North London Jews

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<v Speaker 7>are like a very I wou'd say insular, but it's

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<v Speaker 7>like you do the family business, you go. It was

0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:30.920
<v Speaker 7>like old school tradition, this kind of thing. My dad's

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<v Speaker 7>family were like one generation removed from being like fucking

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<v Speaker 7>butchers on brick Lane, like not quite peaky blinders, but

0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:41.840
<v Speaker 7>like that kind of shit. And so they so he

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<v Speaker 7>my grandfather made the successful business like gas stations. It

0:21:44.960 --> 0:21:46.199
<v Speaker 7>was like, that's what you do, You go work in

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<v Speaker 7>the family business. So my dad was loved music and

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<v Speaker 7>they just weren't trying to hear that. So that he

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<v Speaker 7>kind of like became a little bit of like the

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<v Speaker 7>black Sheep, and he went and managed bands and did

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<v Speaker 7>all this kind of things. And do you remember the

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<v Speaker 7>band Rochford, Yes, and yeah, so he managed Roachford. Uh,

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<v Speaker 7>this was like a little later, but yeah, he like

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<v Speaker 7>discovered Andrew was in another band and was like, hey,

0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:09.800
<v Speaker 7>the keyboard play is really good. You should fucking go

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<v Speaker 7>to your solo shit. So he kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 7>plucked Andrew out and you know, you know those first

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<v Speaker 7>couple of Roach for records. And he just loved music

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<v Speaker 7>and stuff and he loved to party, and so did

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<v Speaker 7>my mom. And my mom was from Liverpool and she

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<v Speaker 7>was just kind of you know, wonderful mother of you know,

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<v Speaker 7>kind of dynamic persona.

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<v Speaker 5>And how many of them?

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<v Speaker 7>How many Ronsons there's Okay, so there's my mom and

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<v Speaker 7>dad had three of us, and then my dad remarried

0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:45.479
<v Speaker 7>had three more Ronson's, and my mom remarried and had

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<v Speaker 7>a couple more Joneses. So there's ten, ten brothers and

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<v Speaker 7>sisters altogether.

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<v Speaker 2>Yike, yeah, okay, speaking of which, Yeah, I was going

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<v Speaker 2>to say, why it's it's Andrew Rochfort who would bring

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<v Speaker 2>if you remember New Jehan from three seven thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>nine in the Black.

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<v Speaker 5>Lily Days to.

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<v Speaker 2>Our very first show when we moved to London, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's how we met New and then New became

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<v Speaker 2>our tour manager.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the time she was dating Roachfort, so that's

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<v Speaker 1>how we knew Okay, Yeah, that's how we knew him.

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<v Speaker 1>All right.

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<v Speaker 2>So in addition, like I know, of course I know

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<v Speaker 2>Sam DJs, I know that she Ronson is I assume

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<v Speaker 2>fashion designer? Yeah, and that's not your shout out on

0:23:37.119 --> 0:23:41.480
<v Speaker 2>the jay Z record, but your sister, yes exactly, you'll

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<v Speaker 2>take it. But like, is anyone any of your other siblings?

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<v Speaker 2>Are they accomplished musicians as well? Or just in terms

0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:53.919
<v Speaker 2>of producing and songwriting.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, my brothers, like my brother Alexander is really talented.

0:23:58.160 --> 0:23:59.960
<v Speaker 7>He's in LA and he's more in that kind of

0:24:00.320 --> 0:24:03.679
<v Speaker 7>like avant garde LA. Seemed like he did stuff with

0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:06.960
<v Speaker 7>Ario Pink before it was bad to say Ario Pink's name,

0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:10.639
<v Speaker 7>I guess, but uh right, I forget. But yeah, just

0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:13.520
<v Speaker 7>like just cool, more weird shit than I do. And

0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:16.800
<v Speaker 7>uh but and then and then my brother Chris actually

0:24:18.000 --> 0:24:21.360
<v Speaker 7>lives in Miami and he's like part of terrorist squad

0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:24.520
<v Speaker 7>and he like makes music with like poohgre and Scott Storage.

0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:27.880
<v Speaker 7>So like, yeah, everybody's everybody has a has a kind

0:24:27.920 --> 0:24:32.199
<v Speaker 7>of musical gene somehow, except my family in England, who

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:35.520
<v Speaker 7>I'm very close with. They all decided to like do

0:24:35.680 --> 0:24:38.880
<v Speaker 7>real ship. So they're like lawyers and you know, business

0:24:39.119 --> 0:24:40.040
<v Speaker 7>and that kind of stuff.

0:24:40.200 --> 0:24:44.880
<v Speaker 2>I see, Hey, I heard his story once about you,

0:24:45.359 --> 0:24:47.919
<v Speaker 2>and I thought, this is weird that we kind of

0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:51.040
<v Speaker 2>have this thing in common. Can you talk about your

0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:54.359
<v Speaker 2>interning at Rolling Stone at the age of twelve?

0:24:54.400 --> 0:24:55.920
<v Speaker 1>I believe yes.

0:24:55.960 --> 0:24:59.879
<v Speaker 7>Wow, So you know, one of the parks of growing

0:24:59.920 --> 0:25:02.720
<v Speaker 7>up up in New York City and on the Upper

0:25:02.760 --> 0:25:05.399
<v Speaker 7>West Side of my stepdad being a musician. It's like,

0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:07.840
<v Speaker 7>you know, the cool people were over a lot of

0:25:07.880 --> 0:25:12.040
<v Speaker 7>the time, and whenever I jan Weena would come over,

0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:14.680
<v Speaker 7>the founder of Rolling Stone, like I knew exactly who

0:25:14.680 --> 0:25:17.119
<v Speaker 7>it was. I was a you know, nerdy kid. I read.

0:25:17.560 --> 0:25:20.760
<v Speaker 7>I loved music, and I loved everything about it, and

0:25:20.880 --> 0:25:23.720
<v Speaker 7>like I would read Billboard and the trade mags and

0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:26.840
<v Speaker 7>liner notes and stuff just because I just wanted to

0:25:26.920 --> 0:25:30.680
<v Speaker 7>absorb all of it. So when Yan would come over,

0:25:31.280 --> 0:25:33.800
<v Speaker 7>I would always just like want to grill him about stuff.

0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:35.840
<v Speaker 7>And I'm sure it was sweet and to a point

0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:38.000
<v Speaker 7>it was probably annoying because he just wanted to hang

0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:40.120
<v Speaker 7>with the grown ups too, But I would just.

0:25:40.080 --> 0:25:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Really am as in, like why did Jagger get like

0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:45.920
<v Speaker 2>four and a half stars for a primitive cool world?

0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:50.000
<v Speaker 7>Yeah? Yeah, Like why did you give the police don't

0:25:50.000 --> 0:25:52.840
<v Speaker 7>stand so close to me eighty six remix such a

0:25:52.880 --> 0:25:56.800
<v Speaker 7>bad Like I would really like it was like showing

0:25:56.800 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 7>that I probably read it. And I think like he

0:25:59.600 --> 0:26:02.440
<v Speaker 7>was very to me and probably part exasperatedly once he

0:26:02.560 --> 0:26:05.120
<v Speaker 7>was like, listen, just stop, I'll give you a job

0:26:05.160 --> 0:26:09.080
<v Speaker 7>this summer, just like stop bothering me please. So so yeah,

0:26:09.080 --> 0:26:11.960
<v Speaker 7>I went to Rolling soon and for the summers when

0:26:11.960 --> 0:26:16.280
<v Speaker 7>I was twelve, thirteen, fourteen, I was I interned there

0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:19.239
<v Speaker 7>like and I was just like manning the phones. I

0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:22.640
<v Speaker 7>was doing all sorts of shit like that. At that time,

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:27.320
<v Speaker 7>they had their own chart. They had their own album chart,

0:26:27.440 --> 0:26:31.160
<v Speaker 7>which was a very random thing of calling up mom

0:26:31.240 --> 0:26:34.040
<v Speaker 7>and pop stores around thirty mama pop stores and then

0:26:34.080 --> 0:26:37.000
<v Speaker 7>they would average and then make their own chart, which

0:26:37.040 --> 0:26:38.400
<v Speaker 7>is kind of weird because they could have just called

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:40.400
<v Speaker 7>Billboard and be like, hey, what's the top ten this week?

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:43.199
<v Speaker 7>But you know, they had their own shit. So that

0:26:43.359 --> 0:26:45.560
<v Speaker 7>was partly my job to call these mom pop stores.

0:26:45.640 --> 0:26:47.720
<v Speaker 7>My voice hadn't even broken. I was like, Hi, I'm

0:26:47.720 --> 0:26:49.879
<v Speaker 7>calling from Rolling Stone and we just want to know

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:52.159
<v Speaker 7>you're ten, you know. And then I would have to

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:55.200
<v Speaker 7>compile the chart then go down to the art department

0:26:55.280 --> 0:26:57.199
<v Speaker 7>and tell them what the number one album was so

0:26:57.240 --> 0:27:00.000
<v Speaker 7>they could put the little picture in their box hofs

0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:01.840
<v Speaker 7>with the bucks. So you were.

0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 1>Responsible for that.

0:27:04.440 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, nobody should have made me responsible for that. So

0:27:07.320 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 7>I went down to the art department and that year

0:27:10.119 --> 0:27:13.120
<v Speaker 7>the Batman soundtrack, the Prince Soundtrack that week was number one,

0:27:14.200 --> 0:27:16.600
<v Speaker 7>and they were like, go tell Jenny and art the

0:27:16.680 --> 0:27:18.840
<v Speaker 7>head of art department. It's Batman's you know, it's the

0:27:18.920 --> 0:27:20.399
<v Speaker 7>number one record. So I go down and I'm like

0:27:20.440 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 7>walking around. I've never been in the art department before.

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:24.879
<v Speaker 7>It's a different floor. I'm like, hi, like I'm looking

0:27:24.880 --> 0:27:27.399
<v Speaker 7>for Jenny and they're like she's just there, and I'm like, Jenny,

0:27:27.440 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 7>She's like, what do you want, kid, I was like,

0:27:30.119 --> 0:27:35.760
<v Speaker 7>Batman's number one. She just thought it was like a prank,

0:27:35.920 --> 0:27:37.960
<v Speaker 7>like some kid just came down to just say like

0:27:38.080 --> 0:27:41.480
<v Speaker 7>he loves like Batman or something. And I was like, yeah,

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:47.280
<v Speaker 7>it was the album.

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 2>I was going to say that, out of all your

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:53.959
<v Speaker 2>life accomplishments, that's probably the one that I'm super jealous

0:27:53.960 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 2>of the most because, you know, like my relationship with

0:27:58.400 --> 0:28:03.720
<v Speaker 2>that periodical, like I'd been endless saturdays going through like

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:06.840
<v Speaker 2>back then, you know, if you didn't we had a

0:28:06.920 --> 0:28:11.560
<v Speaker 2>large library in Philadelphia, but our local ones of course,

0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:15.959
<v Speaker 2>like they maybe have like two years of back issues

0:28:16.000 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 2>and then you wouldn't see anything. So you would have

0:28:17.800 --> 0:28:22.280
<v Speaker 2>to put these, uh you know, these scrolls in like

0:28:22.400 --> 0:28:29.479
<v Speaker 2>the way these microsh right, and so just eons, just

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:32.840
<v Speaker 2>hours upon hours upon hours of like they would just

0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:37.880
<v Speaker 2>keep the entire Rolling Stone collection, like you know, thirteen

0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:41.120
<v Speaker 2>years of they would have like somewhere between like seventy

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 2>three to you know, whatever year it was at the

0:28:44.160 --> 0:28:46.040
<v Speaker 2>time when I was doing like eighty seven eighty eight,

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:51.479
<v Speaker 2>and I'd sit there endlessly and like just all my

0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 2>walls were wallpapered with all the leave reviews.

0:28:56.080 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 1>So like Robert Risco.

0:28:58.000 --> 0:29:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so when I turned four party, I think Jimmy

0:29:01.720 --> 0:29:05.600
<v Speaker 2>did this for me. Jimmy had Robert Risco, uh do

0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:07.000
<v Speaker 2>a caricature of.

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:11.240
<v Speaker 1>Oh cool and that. Yeah, that's that's amazing. Wow, maybe

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:13.920
<v Speaker 1>Rolling Stone, that's crazy.

0:29:14.960 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 7>And now being like obviously I was aware that it

0:29:17.560 --> 0:29:20.320
<v Speaker 7>was special in being there, but now like I realized,

0:29:20.320 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 7>like the people I was around are grabbing coffee for

0:29:22.720 --> 0:29:27.080
<v Speaker 7>from whether it was David wild David Frick, Anthony the Curtis,

0:29:27.120 --> 0:29:29.240
<v Speaker 7>Sheila Rodgers who went on to be the music booker

0:29:29.280 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 7>at Letterman, Like all these people that like had this

0:29:32.040 --> 0:29:35.160
<v Speaker 7>little like like I was just their little pet like toy,

0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:36.840
<v Speaker 7>Like it was fun and they all thought it was

0:29:36.920 --> 0:29:39.880
<v Speaker 7>kind of amusing that I was in there, But I

0:29:39.920 --> 0:29:40.960
<v Speaker 7>also like, do.

0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:42.560
<v Speaker 1>You think they're aware that you were that twelve year

0:29:42.560 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 1>old kid? Now?

0:29:44.280 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 7>David Wilde like definitely comments on my Twitter and he'll

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:50.480
<v Speaker 7>be like, hey, you know whatever. And Sheila Rodgers when

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 7>I you know, when we played Letterman before, She's always

0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:57.440
<v Speaker 7>been sweet. So yeah, some somehow they kind of kept track.

0:29:58.200 --> 0:30:01.160
<v Speaker 7>I had this, you know phase where I didn't really

0:30:01.160 --> 0:30:03.680
<v Speaker 7>have any of my first musical success from my early thirties.

0:30:03.720 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 7>So really my twenties, while I'm making is a hip

0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:09.600
<v Speaker 7>hop DJ was not something that really registered on Yon

0:30:09.680 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 7>Winner's radar, you know, so, so I think he would

0:30:12.880 --> 0:30:14.400
<v Speaker 7>always be like, hey, what are you up to? Oh yeah,

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:16.760
<v Speaker 7>I stood in the club's great So when Amy came out,

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 7>and obviously she was on the cover of Rolling Sona

0:30:19.920 --> 0:30:23.080
<v Speaker 7>was a big thing. I have this letter still framed

0:30:23.120 --> 0:30:26.400
<v Speaker 7>from Yahn. That's just like, hey, Mark, so glad that

0:30:26.520 --> 0:30:30.480
<v Speaker 7>you know that you finally made something of yourself essentially right, Yeah, like,

0:30:30.520 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 7>congrats on on the Amy racket. It's fantastic and that

0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:35.880
<v Speaker 7>that kind of meant a lot to me.

0:30:35.880 --> 0:30:37.240
<v Speaker 5>Wow, But he also hip hopped you.

0:30:37.360 --> 0:30:40.680
<v Speaker 6>That's ill, Like I mean, it was a compliment, but

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:42.520
<v Speaker 6>it was also a slap in the face to like.

0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:45.760
<v Speaker 1>Keep doing that little rap cool keeping.

0:30:47.160 --> 0:30:49.080
<v Speaker 6>In that moment, I was like, yeah, that's a whole

0:30:49.080 --> 0:30:51.560
<v Speaker 6>moment and being a you know, a hip hop artist

0:30:51.720 --> 0:30:52.479
<v Speaker 6>icon or whatever.

0:30:53.040 --> 0:31:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Exactly, Mark, do you remember the first album that you purchased?

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:03.480
<v Speaker 2>I know, there's a weird question to ask, being as

0:31:03.520 --> 0:31:07.440
<v Speaker 2>though you grew up in a musical household.

0:31:07.520 --> 0:31:10.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm certain that collections.

0:31:10.280 --> 0:31:12.080
<v Speaker 2>All right, well, let me let me put it this way.

0:31:12.400 --> 0:31:15.440
<v Speaker 2>What was the collection like in your household as you're

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 2>growing up? And then do you remember the first album

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:21.719
<v Speaker 2>that you went out and purchased with your own money?

0:31:22.120 --> 0:31:22.320
<v Speaker 7>Yeah?

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:23.720
<v Speaker 1>Away from your parents' influence.

0:31:24.240 --> 0:31:28.760
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, so the collection was like, certainly my dad we

0:31:28.840 --> 0:31:32.160
<v Speaker 7>left England when I was six or seven, so you know,

0:31:32.200 --> 0:31:33.880
<v Speaker 7>I'd come back once or twice a year to see

0:31:33.880 --> 0:31:38.280
<v Speaker 7>my dad. That that was always just like I remember

0:31:38.400 --> 0:31:43.080
<v Speaker 7>really clearly, like my dad playing He loved Grandmaster Flash

0:31:43.120 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 7>and the Furious Five, so the message in New York.

0:31:45.560 --> 0:31:47.480
<v Speaker 7>He would always play those and me and my sisters

0:31:47.520 --> 0:31:50.440
<v Speaker 7>would jump on the bed and you know, that was

0:31:50.480 --> 0:31:53.560
<v Speaker 7>a very when you're a saw, when you're a kid,

0:31:53.640 --> 0:31:56.080
<v Speaker 7>like that song a like it's so clear that you

0:31:56.080 --> 0:31:59.200
<v Speaker 7>can understand every lyric. It's so hooky and even though

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 7>you don't know what you're talking talking about, it just

0:32:00.760 --> 0:32:04.280
<v Speaker 7>like I remember just learning that wrote and then I

0:32:04.280 --> 0:32:07.280
<v Speaker 7>also remember like things because he probably he didn't really

0:32:07.320 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 7>get three feet high in Rising, but probably someone told

0:32:10.080 --> 0:32:12.120
<v Speaker 7>him that. He liked, like, hey, you should check this out.

0:32:12.160 --> 0:32:14.240
<v Speaker 7>This is the new shit, and he kind of probably

0:32:14.240 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 7>took it home and was like, oh, this is a

0:32:15.440 --> 0:32:17.680
<v Speaker 7>little too like avant garde from me or something. I

0:32:17.680 --> 0:32:21.440
<v Speaker 7>remember him giving me that. But the first time I

0:32:21.560 --> 0:32:24.520
<v Speaker 7>really remember buying something for myself was like, I got

0:32:24.560 --> 0:32:26.640
<v Speaker 7>my pocket money. This is New York and I went

0:32:26.680 --> 0:32:29.480
<v Speaker 7>to the Tower Records on sixty six to buy a

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:31.960
<v Speaker 7>twelve inch. I think my stepdad was like, here's ten bucks,

0:32:32.000 --> 0:32:35.280
<v Speaker 7>go buy a couple of twelve inches, And I bought

0:32:35.680 --> 0:32:42.480
<v Speaker 7>just bugging by Whistle Whistle Wow and sly Fox Let's

0:32:42.560 --> 0:32:46.920
<v Speaker 7>go all the way the way yeah, and maybe something else.

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:50.520
<v Speaker 7>And then those are the first things I remember like

0:32:50.640 --> 0:32:52.560
<v Speaker 7>really like buying that. This is my own money. I

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:53.160
<v Speaker 7>want to get this.

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, Okay, by the way, the listeners maybe I

0:32:59.520 --> 0:33:03.000
<v Speaker 2>found out maybe three years ago that one of the

0:33:03.000 --> 0:33:07.600
<v Speaker 2>members of sly Fox was Booty Cowns is main singer,

0:33:07.680 --> 0:33:09.760
<v Speaker 2>the one that sings real cartoony.

0:33:09.680 --> 0:33:19.280
<v Speaker 7>Okay, yeah yeah, like uh damn almost like think Gary.

0:33:20.680 --> 0:33:22.840
<v Speaker 1>No, not Gary Shot. I think Gary Mubum and Cooper.

0:33:23.280 --> 0:33:26.120
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I hope I get this right because anytime I

0:33:26.160 --> 0:33:29.240
<v Speaker 2>get p funk uh trivia wrong, they you know, they

0:33:29.280 --> 0:33:30.000
<v Speaker 2>beat up on me.

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 7>That I love. Like when I listen to record now,

0:33:34.880 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 7>it's so funny because like you don't have any of

0:33:37.000 --> 0:33:40.280
<v Speaker 7>when you're a kid, any of that like uh sneary

0:33:40.360 --> 0:33:43.280
<v Speaker 7>attitude or like jadenness, And I'm like, oh my god,

0:33:43.320 --> 0:33:45.080
<v Speaker 7>if I was twenty when that record came out, I'd

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:46.800
<v Speaker 7>be like, what the fuck is this Prince rip off?

0:33:46.840 --> 0:33:48.840
<v Speaker 7>You know he's singing exactly like Prince. I mean, the

0:33:48.880 --> 0:33:51.280
<v Speaker 7>beat is incredible, is an incredible song. But I love

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:53.440
<v Speaker 7>when you hear songs from your youth and you have

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:57.760
<v Speaker 7>none of that like Barrier Jadens. You're just like, this

0:33:57.960 --> 0:34:01.160
<v Speaker 7>is my ship. And that is still still that still

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:03.040
<v Speaker 7>is on a lot of workout playlists for me.

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:03.520
<v Speaker 1>That song.

0:34:03.960 --> 0:34:06.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm still trying to figure out how come no one

0:34:06.440 --> 0:34:11.480
<v Speaker 2>never made the correlation between the Bookie Boys A fly

0:34:11.680 --> 0:34:16.560
<v Speaker 2>Girl and that song, which was the and B version

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:19.120
<v Speaker 2>of Yeah Fly Girls, Like it's.

0:34:18.920 --> 0:34:22.200
<v Speaker 7>Just what's just they took the drums off of fly

0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:22.879
<v Speaker 7>Go right?

0:34:23.000 --> 0:34:27.480
<v Speaker 2>Or was it I believe it's sort of like can't

0:34:27.480 --> 0:34:29.240
<v Speaker 2>trust it and don't be afraid.

0:34:28.880 --> 0:34:31.160
<v Speaker 7>Like right, right, right, it's the same.

0:34:31.239 --> 0:34:34.040
<v Speaker 2>It's the same two inch they just you know it

0:34:34.200 --> 0:34:35.040
<v Speaker 2>right exactly.

0:34:35.560 --> 0:34:39.000
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I didn't think about it.

0:34:39.400 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 7>It's this, It's the exact same track that side Fox

0:34:42.280 --> 0:34:45.560
<v Speaker 7>record was like, uh, one of the first records to

0:34:45.600 --> 0:34:50.880
<v Speaker 7>be like huge on alternative rock radio and R and

0:34:50.920 --> 0:34:53.839
<v Speaker 7>B and just pop because it had that dumb beat

0:34:53.920 --> 0:34:56.760
<v Speaker 7>that just like spoke to everybody, which was kind of cool.

0:34:57.040 --> 0:34:59.080
<v Speaker 5>Wait the of it again because some of us, well,

0:34:59.120 --> 0:34:59.520
<v Speaker 5>let's go.

0:34:59.480 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 2>All the way. You know, it's a flag girl. Here's

0:35:03.520 --> 0:35:06.839
<v Speaker 2>the weird thing. I actually thought when jay Z. When

0:35:06.960 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 2>jay Z used it for I know what girls like,

0:35:09.960 --> 0:35:11.880
<v Speaker 2>I know what girls like, I thought that was gonna

0:35:11.880 --> 0:35:13.400
<v Speaker 2>blow up for him.

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, come on, you were like twelve back then.

0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:18.120
<v Speaker 5>Nah.

0:35:18.400 --> 0:35:20.600
<v Speaker 3>That was my first because you know where he sucked

0:35:20.680 --> 0:35:23.279
<v Speaker 3>up at with that, because he started the album off

0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:25.240
<v Speaker 3>with a million and one in rhyme no more.

0:35:25.600 --> 0:35:28.480
<v Speaker 1>Right, and I was like, holy ship, here we go.

0:35:28.680 --> 0:35:33.080
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and then yeah, the Black Streak joined and then

0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:35.000
<v Speaker 3>it was the Flager Nigga.

0:35:35.120 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 1>No.

0:35:36.560 --> 0:35:39.759
<v Speaker 7>It had a even I like in my weird like

0:35:39.880 --> 0:35:41.920
<v Speaker 7>even though I was like a club DJ. So I

0:35:42.000 --> 0:35:44.400
<v Speaker 7>was just like looking for anything that was like commercial

0:35:44.480 --> 0:35:47.360
<v Speaker 7>and bouncy, like I could even feel like there was

0:35:47.400 --> 0:35:50.000
<v Speaker 7>something sticky there on that record, Like I was like,

0:35:50.040 --> 0:35:52.920
<v Speaker 7>this feels like this feels like reach And that had

0:35:52.920 --> 0:35:55.480
<v Speaker 7>the city his mind on it too, probably c Yeah,

0:35:55.480 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 7>that was that's because in Germany.

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:00.200
<v Speaker 6>That's because that song had been remixed on the play

0:36:00.200 --> 0:36:02.680
<v Speaker 6>around about fifty thousand times by the time he put

0:36:02.680 --> 0:36:05.200
<v Speaker 6>that version out, because like it's was just making cheers.

0:36:05.200 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 5>That was a check y'all remember that.

0:36:07.080 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 3>You're right, Yeah, you're right, Yeah, it was.

0:36:10.239 --> 0:36:15.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But I don't know, I feel I don't know.

0:36:16.000 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 2>I get frustrated that he denies it like a bastard

0:36:19.920 --> 0:36:21.279
<v Speaker 2>son and.

0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:23.280
<v Speaker 3>Girls like the girls like record.

0:36:23.360 --> 0:36:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, I mean just that album in general, that

0:36:26.360 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 2>album had moments it was I mean, it's it was.

0:36:28.480 --> 0:36:30.000
<v Speaker 7>It's not a bad album.

0:36:29.719 --> 0:36:32.400
<v Speaker 1>But it was most defining song is on that moment

0:36:32.640 --> 0:36:33.279
<v Speaker 1>and which one?

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 2>All right, here's the deal, you know, how like when

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:39.359
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning, Earth Wind and Fire obviously didn't plan

0:36:39.440 --> 0:36:42.279
<v Speaker 2>on September being the biggest thing they ever in the one, right,

0:36:42.560 --> 0:36:45.160
<v Speaker 2>but how that was chosen even though they did, like

0:36:46.040 --> 0:36:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Star and all this other shit. I feel like the

0:36:48.920 --> 0:36:52.200
<v Speaker 2>song that really defines jay Z isn't even the sits.

0:36:52.320 --> 0:36:56.759
<v Speaker 2>I think imaginary players. One yes, because of the j

0:36:56.960 --> 0:37:00.279
<v Speaker 2>C song. It's arrogant as fucked, like yeah, I feel

0:37:00.360 --> 0:37:03.879
<v Speaker 2>like you know, I love that just one yeah, he.

0:37:03.960 --> 0:37:08.560
<v Speaker 7>Just like whatever, I'm my my face off twelve inch,

0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 7>Like that was a song I love to play. I

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:13.560
<v Speaker 7>love it well. It just says a club DJ and

0:37:13.600 --> 0:37:15.839
<v Speaker 7>then back and forth. And I just like that was

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:18.680
<v Speaker 7>just like one twelve beats per minute, Like I needed

0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:21.080
<v Speaker 7>that in the set at that at that moment, I'm

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:22.439
<v Speaker 7>looking out and that was the one.

0:37:22.360 --> 0:37:23.360
<v Speaker 1>That was over the it was over to.

0:37:23.360 --> 0:37:28.879
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, yeah, I'll never figured that out ever since.

0:37:28.920 --> 0:37:33.560
<v Speaker 2>Here in Jadakiss's version of how that song went down,

0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:37.359
<v Speaker 2>like I'll never see it the same again. Basically, like

0:37:37.560 --> 0:37:40.000
<v Speaker 2>they were on like a trip from the UK and

0:37:40.040 --> 0:37:41.920
<v Speaker 2>they had to go straight to the studio to do

0:37:41.960 --> 0:37:45.040
<v Speaker 2>their verse. They couldn't shower or anything, so it's like

0:37:45.120 --> 0:37:48.120
<v Speaker 2>after they got our customs, you know, they were on

0:37:48.200 --> 0:37:52.040
<v Speaker 2>a nine hour flight and then had some customs thing

0:37:52.280 --> 0:37:55.000
<v Speaker 2>for like four hours and then had to go straight

0:37:55.000 --> 0:37:57.120
<v Speaker 2>to the studio or else they were going to not

0:37:57.239 --> 0:38:00.359
<v Speaker 2>be on the record, and you know, Jaded just has

0:38:00.400 --> 0:38:03.080
<v Speaker 2>this like weird other take about it that totally takes

0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:04.839
<v Speaker 2>me out of what I thought.

0:38:04.880 --> 0:38:10.720
<v Speaker 7>That was also Pitchfork eight point four for Volume one.

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:12.080
<v Speaker 1>They just recently re reviewed that.

0:38:12.360 --> 0:38:14.799
<v Speaker 7>I don't know because I just wikipedd because I wanted

0:38:14.840 --> 0:38:17.440
<v Speaker 7>to remember what's on that album because I was like, oh, actually,

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:20.840
<v Speaker 7>who you were face off Imaginary Player, this very strong album.

0:38:20.880 --> 0:38:24.840
<v Speaker 7>But eight point four, yeah, I know what.

0:38:25.520 --> 0:38:30.600
<v Speaker 2>I like that record, so I will quasi agree, even

0:38:30.640 --> 0:38:35.040
<v Speaker 2>though he hates that record. And f was trying to

0:38:35.080 --> 0:38:37.160
<v Speaker 2>chase Puffy. He was trying to chase Puffy bad Boy,

0:38:37.400 --> 0:38:39.239
<v Speaker 2>but it was like it was ninety seven. It was

0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 2>time to do like.

0:38:40.680 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we it's understandable. It's like we get it, but

0:38:43.960 --> 0:38:45.319
<v Speaker 3>not right. It wasn't it.

0:38:45.880 --> 0:38:46.120
<v Speaker 1>You know.

0:38:46.440 --> 0:38:50.840
<v Speaker 7>You know, it's funny we were talking about we're talking

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:53.600
<v Speaker 7>so much about God Now I'm such an idiot. But

0:38:53.640 --> 0:38:56.239
<v Speaker 7>when we when I interviewed me for my podcast and

0:38:56.280 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 7>we talked about the huge album and then the one

0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.920
<v Speaker 7>for the first one for Interscope, and you weren't really

0:39:02.960 --> 0:39:04.960
<v Speaker 7>swearing it off like in the way that we're talking

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:07.200
<v Speaker 7>about Jay, but you were kind of you know, saying

0:39:07.200 --> 0:39:08.759
<v Speaker 7>like it was rush and you were trying to make

0:39:08.800 --> 0:39:11.239
<v Speaker 7>a record maybe just to fit where you were, and

0:39:11.480 --> 0:39:14.560
<v Speaker 7>I think, don't say nothing came up. And I was

0:39:14.600 --> 0:39:15.360
<v Speaker 7>trying to please.

0:39:16.080 --> 0:39:18.400
<v Speaker 1>Yes, I was trying to please my label president.

0:39:18.520 --> 0:39:21.879
<v Speaker 7>So I was sitting. I was sitting the other day

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:26.560
<v Speaker 7>with my girl now fiance, who's ten years younger than me.

0:39:26.880 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 7>Don't congratulate.

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:31.480
<v Speaker 5>She's a.

0:39:33.000 --> 0:39:35.200
<v Speaker 7>Thank you, thank you. I'll tell her you said that,

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:38.120
<v Speaker 7>and don't or hopefully she'll listen to this or both,

0:39:38.400 --> 0:39:40.720
<v Speaker 7>but don't say nothing came on. And she's like, that's

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:44.360
<v Speaker 7>my ship. And because she was she she was a

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:46.960
<v Speaker 7>teenager like that agent. It comes out and you're just like,

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:48.880
<v Speaker 7>oh this, I just fucking love this. Like you have

0:39:49.120 --> 0:39:51.600
<v Speaker 7>no context. You're not thinking like where it rests in

0:39:51.640 --> 0:39:57.040
<v Speaker 7>the cannon. You're just like, you know, like it's just Yeah, she's.

0:39:56.880 --> 0:40:01.120
<v Speaker 5>Not being a music's not like y'all the rest of us.

0:40:01.280 --> 0:40:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Yes, exactly. Well, I'm extremely thank you. I appreciate that.

0:40:08.360 --> 0:40:12.000
<v Speaker 6>Can I Speaking of that snobbery, I wanted to ask

0:40:12.000 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 6>Mark a set question because I'm so curious about where

0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:17.320
<v Speaker 6>you started like working out your sets and where you

0:40:17.440 --> 0:40:20.400
<v Speaker 6>how you started like refining and knowing what to do

0:40:20.440 --> 0:40:22.720
<v Speaker 6>and what what what the crowd wanted, and what crowd

0:40:22.760 --> 0:40:24.920
<v Speaker 6>wanted what and what I would.

0:40:24.719 --> 0:40:28.000
<v Speaker 7>Import to you. In the beginning, I would just go

0:40:28.200 --> 0:40:31.320
<v Speaker 7>and I would watch uh Stretch arm Sean and Clark

0:40:31.400 --> 0:40:35.280
<v Speaker 7>Can and Goldfinger and just rip off all of their routines,

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:38.719
<v Speaker 7>like I'm not I'm not afraid to say, like I know,

0:40:38.840 --> 0:40:40.759
<v Speaker 7>I stretched when he first came and I said, it's

0:40:40.800 --> 0:40:43.400
<v Speaker 7>like was not happy with me because I wouldn't literally

0:40:43.480 --> 0:40:46.240
<v Speaker 7>rip off his mixes. But he invented this, or maybe

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:48.839
<v Speaker 7>not invented, but his big thing was this thing where

0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:52.000
<v Speaker 7>you'd be playing a song and then the line that

0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:54.480
<v Speaker 7>everybody would sing you turn the volume off so be

0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:57.760
<v Speaker 7>like double x posse, Like, oh no much Jim happened

0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:03.520
<v Speaker 7>Broke Broke June June June. Before then, I saw on

0:41:03.600 --> 0:41:05.840
<v Speaker 7>the on the thing and I just thought it was

0:41:05.880 --> 0:41:09.400
<v Speaker 7>like uptown baby, up town baby, we got down baby,

0:41:09.520 --> 0:41:14.080
<v Speaker 7>you know, to dinner, and like so this was so

0:41:14.200 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 7>and I loved that. I thought it was so clever,

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:18.680
<v Speaker 7>and I just started doing it all the time. And

0:41:18.719 --> 0:41:21.680
<v Speaker 7>then obviously in the beginning, you're just picking up scraps

0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:23.840
<v Speaker 7>of the people that you that you look up to.

0:41:24.120 --> 0:41:27.760
<v Speaker 7>But I guess I also I loved what was called

0:41:27.840 --> 0:41:30.480
<v Speaker 7>rare groove music, like from all that kind of like

0:41:30.719 --> 0:41:34.400
<v Speaker 7>mid tempo nineties, like you know, not really rare records.

0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:36.360
<v Speaker 7>But don't look any further, baby, I'm scared of you

0:41:36.400 --> 0:41:39.479
<v Speaker 7>saw me a striplin And I would play all those

0:41:39.640 --> 0:41:41.920
<v Speaker 7>and and I loved building a night and I was

0:41:42.000 --> 0:41:44.359
<v Speaker 7>never afraid to play like seven hours, like I just

0:41:44.400 --> 0:41:47.320
<v Speaker 7>loved playing. And eventually I got this sort of reputation

0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:50.400
<v Speaker 7>as this teacher had good taste, knew the classics new

0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:52.600
<v Speaker 7>hip hop, knew how to build a room. And that's

0:41:52.640 --> 0:41:57.320
<v Speaker 7>when I guess also Puffy and Jay and those people

0:41:57.320 --> 0:41:59.040
<v Speaker 7>were coming to the clubs I was playing, So it

0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:01.920
<v Speaker 7>was all this kind of nice dovetailing of I was.

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:03.560
<v Speaker 1>I was going to say, what was the name of

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:05.320
<v Speaker 1>the club? Damn?

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:09.319
<v Speaker 2>Now now you're you're now you're pulling me out where

0:42:09.440 --> 0:42:13.919
<v Speaker 2>Now I'm remembering that maybe I was a New York

0:42:14.360 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 2>club kid for half a second, because I definitely remembered

0:42:19.840 --> 0:42:23.560
<v Speaker 2>what was the club that was across the street from Justin's.

0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:31.400
<v Speaker 7>Oh yeah, yeah a lot, Yeah on seventeen That was Cheetah.

0:42:31.400 --> 0:42:34.040
<v Speaker 7>That's Cheetah and a Monday Nights and Jay shouts that

0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:36.239
<v Speaker 7>out and uh and do it again on one of

0:42:36.280 --> 0:42:40.080
<v Speaker 7>those songs. Yeah, man, And and he says, I used

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:42.000
<v Speaker 7>to fill in on Cheetah, and then I did Wednesday

0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 7>Nights at Shine and then Fridays at Life. So every

0:42:45.520 --> 0:42:48.560
<v Speaker 7>night that he mentioned in that Cheetah Monday Night, Wednesday

0:42:48.600 --> 0:42:51.240
<v Speaker 7>Nights at Shy and Evan with the Model bitches, Friday

0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:53.239
<v Speaker 7>Night at Life or whatever it is. And I was like,

0:42:53.360 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 7>that's are online right now?

0:42:57.040 --> 0:42:57.520
<v Speaker 1>He used to.

0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:00.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, he would often be there, like was an event

0:43:00.800 --> 0:43:05.759
<v Speaker 2>like until until the ABT came along and solidified Mondays.

0:43:06.080 --> 0:43:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Yes, like you were basically.

0:43:09.920 --> 0:43:12.879
<v Speaker 2>You know, usually my club nights would be like if

0:43:13.800 --> 0:43:17.000
<v Speaker 2>back then, especially on two inch Real, you know, a

0:43:17.040 --> 0:43:20.399
<v Speaker 2>mix with Bob Power would probably be something like kind

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:24.480
<v Speaker 2>of like eight nine hours or whatever. So yeah, you know,

0:43:24.520 --> 0:43:27.080
<v Speaker 2>if you're starting at three in the afternoon or something like,

0:43:27.120 --> 0:43:29.239
<v Speaker 2>we get there late and the reel gets there at four,

0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:32.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, Bob is basically like, you know, get out

0:43:32.760 --> 0:43:34.719
<v Speaker 2>of my hair and come back at midnight, like let

0:43:34.719 --> 0:43:37.719
<v Speaker 2>me least get the you know, get the mixed straight

0:43:37.760 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 2>first before you guys start micromanaging. So usually you know,

0:43:41.960 --> 0:43:45.320
<v Speaker 2>on on Mondays or whatever coming see you play and whatnot?

0:43:45.640 --> 0:43:46.400
<v Speaker 1>What was it all right?

0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:48.920
<v Speaker 7>So well to be I just wanted to cut out too,

0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:52.480
<v Speaker 7>because Jules and Julian were the main DJs on Monday,

0:43:52.960 --> 0:43:54.960
<v Speaker 7>specifically a cheater, but they would let me fill in

0:43:55.080 --> 0:43:59.040
<v Speaker 7>or I play the basementwise.

0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I usually I'd watch your sets, you know. So

0:44:01.640 --> 0:44:04.719
<v Speaker 2>that's like my memories of it, all right. So one

0:44:04.760 --> 0:44:06.600
<v Speaker 2>of the one of the discoveries we made in the

0:44:06.680 --> 0:44:11.480
<v Speaker 2>last five years of doing the show is that, you know,

0:44:11.600 --> 0:44:14.839
<v Speaker 2>a lot of our a lot of the accomplished producers

0:44:14.840 --> 0:44:18.120
<v Speaker 2>that we admire were great DJs.

0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:20.000
<v Speaker 1>And you know, that's the case with.

0:44:20.040 --> 0:44:25.000
<v Speaker 2>Jimmy jam Uh, definitely the case with doctor Dre. And

0:44:25.040 --> 0:44:26.719
<v Speaker 2>then you know, when I brought this up to Dre,

0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:31.480
<v Speaker 2>he explained to me that because of the duress that

0:44:31.520 --> 0:44:34.440
<v Speaker 2>he was under, he would say, like, if you basically

0:44:34.520 --> 0:44:37.480
<v Speaker 2>played the wrong song, you might risk the club getting

0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:41.480
<v Speaker 2>shot up. Yeah, he so he was hyper aware of

0:44:41.560 --> 0:44:45.040
<v Speaker 2>what he played, and he says that that informs him

0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:48.080
<v Speaker 2>of how he produces because it's almost like there's no

0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:51.960
<v Speaker 2>room for experiments. You have to be spot on knowing

0:44:52.000 --> 0:44:56.680
<v Speaker 2>what your audience responds to. So for you though in

0:44:56.719 --> 0:44:59.359
<v Speaker 2>that particular atmosphere. Because the thing is is that I

0:44:59.400 --> 0:45:02.759
<v Speaker 2>know I can get away with murder, and you heard

0:45:02.760 --> 0:45:05.719
<v Speaker 2>me experiment and do crazy shit often, but I know

0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:08.800
<v Speaker 2>I can get away with murder and in front of

0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:12.400
<v Speaker 2>a particular crowd that will let me do that. But

0:45:13.280 --> 0:45:17.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, my clientele was really never Puff or jay

0:45:17.360 --> 0:45:20.320
<v Speaker 2>Z or any of those, like any of those parties

0:45:20.360 --> 0:45:22.239
<v Speaker 2>that you know Steve Stout's going to show up at.

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:27.239
<v Speaker 1>So what is it? What is what is the What

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:34.160
<v Speaker 1>is it like when you are the attraction at these

0:45:34.200 --> 0:45:35.080
<v Speaker 1>particular parties?

0:45:35.120 --> 0:45:37.719
<v Speaker 2>Because is it like what you really want to do

0:45:37.920 --> 0:45:41.240
<v Speaker 2>or what you think serves them that keeps you working?

0:45:41.520 --> 0:45:43.040
<v Speaker 1>Like what mind state are you in?

0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:46.319
<v Speaker 7>It's a little bit of both, you know. I love

0:45:46.480 --> 0:45:49.120
<v Speaker 7>starting the night at ten pm because you could start

0:45:49.160 --> 0:45:51.680
<v Speaker 7>building and you could play classics and different records in

0:45:51.800 --> 0:45:53.680
<v Speaker 7>R and B and builded into the hip hop. I

0:45:53.760 --> 0:45:56.520
<v Speaker 7>hated coming on at twelve thirty when the parties at

0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:58.680
<v Speaker 7>the peak and it's like, what's the first record? Like

0:45:58.920 --> 0:46:01.759
<v Speaker 7>that just gives me like the anxiety of life. But

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:06.080
<v Speaker 7>the parties that I was playing, I was pretty like,

0:46:06.560 --> 0:46:08.200
<v Speaker 7>you know, this was I was never on the mic.

0:46:08.320 --> 0:46:11.040
<v Speaker 7>This is before people really cared or even looked at

0:46:11.040 --> 0:46:12.880
<v Speaker 7>the DJ like it. They only looked at it you

0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:15.120
<v Speaker 7>if you fucked up, really so like I love the

0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:17.680
<v Speaker 7>anonymity of being a DJ and just keeping the night

0:46:18.040 --> 0:46:21.120
<v Speaker 7>rocking and that that was it. But I remember like, yeah,

0:46:21.160 --> 0:46:24.560
<v Speaker 7>occasionally i'd throw a curveball or you know, after eight

0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:26.480
<v Speaker 7>years of playing the same kind of shit'll be like, oh,

0:46:26.520 --> 0:46:29.040
<v Speaker 7>I wonder if I could sprinkle like rock and Roll

0:46:29.080 --> 0:46:32.360
<v Speaker 7>in here or something. And I remember the Benjamin's was

0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:35.520
<v Speaker 7>the biggest record at the time, and there was that

0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:37.839
<v Speaker 7>rock and Roll remix of it, and I was I

0:46:37.880 --> 0:46:40.640
<v Speaker 7>wanted to play somehow, I wanted to play back in

0:46:40.719 --> 0:46:43.160
<v Speaker 7>Black by ac DC. By the end of this set,

0:46:43.200 --> 0:46:44.480
<v Speaker 7>I was like I just got you know, when you

0:46:44.520 --> 0:46:46.920
<v Speaker 7>go to the the set and you're just like, if

0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:48.920
<v Speaker 7>I can just play these one or two songs for

0:46:49.040 --> 0:46:51.760
<v Speaker 7>me tonight, like that'll kind of that'll do it. That'll

0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:53.560
<v Speaker 7>do it. And I remember I was like, all right,

0:46:53.600 --> 0:46:56.480
<v Speaker 7>so right on the Biggie I'll switch to the rock

0:46:56.600 --> 0:46:59.239
<v Speaker 7>version right on the Biggie verse because no one's gonna

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:01.880
<v Speaker 7>stop dancing. I know what the fuck's happening if Biggie's rapping,

0:47:01.960 --> 0:47:03.839
<v Speaker 7>right and then right on that thing when he goes

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:10.479
<v Speaker 7>it's all about the Benji d obviously, like ac DC

0:47:10.719 --> 0:47:12.560
<v Speaker 7>is is like kind of in the books as like

0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:14.400
<v Speaker 7>as a hip hop break beat in some ways, but

0:47:14.480 --> 0:47:16.399
<v Speaker 7>not in the clubs where it was like a lot

0:47:16.440 --> 0:47:21.920
<v Speaker 7>of you know, people's got like squire yeah, and it

0:47:22.040 --> 0:47:24.320
<v Speaker 7>was like, you know a lot of like cool people

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:26.520
<v Speaker 7>in downtown types and then a lot of like drug

0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:29.440
<v Speaker 7>dealers who were spending twenty grand at like a banquette

0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:31.880
<v Speaker 7>to like look cool. So like one of the banquettes

0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:35.200
<v Speaker 7>was right behind the DJ booth, and right when I

0:47:35.239 --> 0:47:37.720
<v Speaker 7>played that once that was playing for like eight seconds,

0:47:37.719 --> 0:47:40.279
<v Speaker 7>this drug dealer with like his friends and a lot

0:47:40.320 --> 0:47:43.120
<v Speaker 7>of money and champagne everywhere, like leaned over to me.

0:47:43.200 --> 0:47:46.000
<v Speaker 7>It was like, what the fuck are you playing? I mean,

0:47:46.000 --> 0:47:47.560
<v Speaker 7>I can't remember exactly what he said, but there were

0:47:47.560 --> 0:47:49.720
<v Speaker 7>like times where it was like definitely like you couldn't

0:47:49.719 --> 0:47:54.200
<v Speaker 7>get too creative, but I think that, yeah, I had

0:47:54.239 --> 0:47:56.680
<v Speaker 7>a mix. I was playing those crowds some night, and

0:47:56.719 --> 0:47:59.080
<v Speaker 7>then sometimes I was playing for like slightly more like

0:47:59.160 --> 0:48:02.239
<v Speaker 7>kind of you know, just like miscellaneous crowds. You could

0:48:02.239 --> 0:48:04.160
<v Speaker 7>play more underground shit or different stuff.

0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:09.719
<v Speaker 2>So at this period when you're kind of like the

0:48:10.760 --> 0:48:15.200
<v Speaker 2>darling of hip New York society as far as like

0:48:15.400 --> 0:48:19.960
<v Speaker 2>being there go to DJ you know, like you were

0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:24.399
<v Speaker 2>doing the campaign with Aliyah or Tommy Hillfig or whatever,

0:48:24.480 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 2>so we knew you. Asked DJ Mark Ronson, like, what

0:48:29.239 --> 0:48:32.239
<v Speaker 2>is how are you navigating in this double Dutch game

0:48:33.200 --> 0:48:35.960
<v Speaker 2>of how to get in the roups so that we

0:48:36.120 --> 0:48:39.560
<v Speaker 2>now know that you are a musician and a producer, Like,

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:42.960
<v Speaker 2>at what point are you trying to figure out how

0:48:43.000 --> 0:48:45.759
<v Speaker 2>to really get inside of this thing so that we

0:48:45.840 --> 0:48:47.280
<v Speaker 2>take you seriously as a producer.

0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:50.360
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well I was trying all the time to be honest.

0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:52.320
<v Speaker 7>Anytime I met someone at the club who wrapped and

0:48:52.400 --> 0:48:54.480
<v Speaker 7>be like, come to my house tomorrow like one pm,

0:48:54.560 --> 0:48:56.440
<v Speaker 7>and you know, let's make shit. And that was like

0:48:56.480 --> 0:48:59.400
<v Speaker 7>when someone introduced me to a Psygom when he had

0:48:59.440 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 7>just got out of prisoner, was like that, you know,

0:49:01.640 --> 0:49:03.880
<v Speaker 7>Saigon and I would be together every day making music,

0:49:03.960 --> 0:49:08.440
<v Speaker 7>and but I really didn't know what I was doing.

0:49:08.480 --> 0:49:11.040
<v Speaker 7>I probably thought I did like everybody does at that age.

0:49:11.040 --> 0:49:13.560
<v Speaker 7>Oh I'm fully formed, I'm arrived, i know what I'm doing,

0:49:13.600 --> 0:49:15.359
<v Speaker 7>and I was just figuring it out.

0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:18.640
<v Speaker 2>And then was this, wait, let me interrupt one second

0:49:19.040 --> 0:49:22.080
<v Speaker 2>was this was the first entry like Okay, you're gonna

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:25.160
<v Speaker 2>be You're gonna be making rap beats and work with rappers,

0:49:25.640 --> 0:49:29.160
<v Speaker 2>I think, I think. And if that's the case, what

0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:32.160
<v Speaker 2>was the album? What was the hip hop album that

0:49:32.239 --> 0:49:35.600
<v Speaker 2>called you to This is exactly what I want to do.

0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:42.600
<v Speaker 8>Mecca and the Soul Brother Yes, no, yes, yes, because

0:49:43.480 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 8>although I think main ingredient is probably my favorite of

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:48.720
<v Speaker 8>it too, but Mecca is still I mean, that's yeah.

0:49:48.280 --> 0:49:49.319
<v Speaker 1>It's funny you said that.

0:49:49.560 --> 0:49:53.040
<v Speaker 2>I ridiculed Kanye for saying that publicly, but when I

0:49:53.120 --> 0:49:57.680
<v Speaker 2>really think about it, I have a way different relationship

0:49:57.680 --> 0:50:00.200
<v Speaker 2>with me even though my face it's almost like Role

0:50:00.239 --> 0:50:02.560
<v Speaker 2>is my favorite album, but I know that eighteen fourteen

0:50:02.640 --> 0:50:06.399
<v Speaker 2>is the better record for me. I think it's only

0:50:06.440 --> 0:50:11.280
<v Speaker 2>because the main ingredient is all that we had living

0:50:11.320 --> 0:50:14.920
<v Speaker 2>in London, and this is without the Internet, without computers,

0:50:14.920 --> 0:50:17.800
<v Speaker 2>without change the station, like you could turn on the

0:50:17.880 --> 0:50:22.600
<v Speaker 2>radio and you gotta listen to Scatman forty times and

0:50:23.080 --> 0:50:25.759
<v Speaker 2>you know, like for real, like Scatman was the only

0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:29.560
<v Speaker 2>thing on radio in Jamarquai. So it's like put that

0:50:29.600 --> 0:50:32.920
<v Speaker 2>peap rock figure in. So even though I never say

0:50:33.200 --> 0:50:39.279
<v Speaker 2>that's my favorite record of theirs. But I have a

0:50:39.320 --> 0:50:42.719
<v Speaker 2>way more fuzzier memory of that saving my life than

0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Mecca and the Soul b Yeah, Wow.

0:50:45.719 --> 0:50:47.640
<v Speaker 1>What was it? What was about Mecca for you? Bart? Like?

0:50:47.680 --> 0:50:49.080
<v Speaker 1>What was what?

0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:49.279
<v Speaker 7>How?

0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:50.960
<v Speaker 1>Why was that your your kind of life?

0:50:51.200 --> 0:50:53.360
<v Speaker 7>I played in a band. I played guitar in this

0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:57.120
<v Speaker 7>band in high school, and my drammer, Scott was just

0:50:57.320 --> 0:50:59.520
<v Speaker 7>like he just loved rhythms, and he was a really

0:50:59.520 --> 0:51:02.000
<v Speaker 7>good drama and he'd want to talk about like Dave

0:51:02.800 --> 0:51:06.080
<v Speaker 7>fucking I don't even know these drummers and paradiddles and

0:51:06.160 --> 0:51:09.960
<v Speaker 7>like real like he was just into rhythms, interesting rhythms.

0:51:10.000 --> 0:51:12.839
<v Speaker 7>So he discovered it. He loved it obviously, probably because

0:51:12.880 --> 0:51:15.759
<v Speaker 7>like the drum fills and the things Dada Da da

0:51:16.200 --> 0:51:19.799
<v Speaker 7>Dat spoke to him and he just played me reminisced.

0:51:19.840 --> 0:51:21.880
<v Speaker 7>One day we'd come home from like a band rehearsal,

0:51:22.000 --> 0:51:23.800
<v Speaker 7>maybe like a really late night gig, and I was

0:51:23.840 --> 0:51:26.840
<v Speaker 7>sleeping on his floor and he played it for me,

0:51:26.880 --> 0:51:28.960
<v Speaker 7>and I was so moved by it. I'd never heard

0:51:29.200 --> 0:51:31.400
<v Speaker 7>a rap song that really hit me like that hard

0:51:31.400 --> 0:51:34.240
<v Speaker 7>and emo way, and I listened to it probably eleven

0:51:34.320 --> 0:51:36.120
<v Speaker 7>times in a row that night. After he went to bed,

0:51:36.160 --> 0:51:38.279
<v Speaker 7>I was just like wanted to keep hearing it over

0:51:38.320 --> 0:51:40.759
<v Speaker 7>and over, and I think that that was probably one

0:51:40.760 --> 0:51:43.000
<v Speaker 7>of the first things we had rappers come up on

0:51:43.080 --> 0:51:45.200
<v Speaker 7>stage with us when we were like this band, but

0:51:45.280 --> 0:51:48.920
<v Speaker 7>we were like sloppy kids, like we were not holding

0:51:48.960 --> 0:51:51.319
<v Speaker 7>it down. So I was just like, Okay, well, I'm

0:51:51.360 --> 0:51:53.840
<v Speaker 7>not a rapper, I don't know anything about producing, but

0:51:53.920 --> 0:51:56.239
<v Speaker 7>I love this music and that's what kind of led

0:51:56.280 --> 0:51:58.200
<v Speaker 7>me out of the band and to become a DJ.

0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:01.080
<v Speaker 7>And then so that's why I though it still has

0:52:01.120 --> 0:52:04.200
<v Speaker 7>that once I did discover production. I think that was

0:52:04.200 --> 0:52:07.600
<v Speaker 7>always this kind of like, I don't know, Touchstone.

0:52:08.000 --> 0:52:09.759
<v Speaker 1>What year did you start DJing?

0:52:11.880 --> 0:52:15.680
<v Speaker 7>Ninety three so just at the end of my senior year,

0:52:17.400 --> 0:52:19.279
<v Speaker 7>and I remember the first four to twelve inches I

0:52:19.320 --> 0:52:22.320
<v Speaker 7>bought at Rock and Sall. I bought Time for Some Action,

0:52:22.760 --> 0:52:26.239
<v Speaker 7>Rebirth of Slick ZIGGI Raking in the Dough and the

0:52:26.320 --> 0:52:32.320
<v Speaker 7>original Yeah, the original of Protect Your Neck, the original,

0:52:33.080 --> 0:52:35.400
<v Speaker 7>the original Risk.

0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:38.600
<v Speaker 1>Makers Orange and Yeah.

0:52:38.920 --> 0:52:40.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I hope you still got that because that shit

0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:43.920
<v Speaker 2>is worth money, man, Listen, Yeah, it's worth money.

0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:46.040
<v Speaker 5>Now still say ninety three was the best year.

0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:50.680
<v Speaker 7>I don't care really ninety three years music. Yeah, it

0:52:50.719 --> 0:52:51.240
<v Speaker 7>was amazing.

0:52:51.280 --> 0:52:53.960
<v Speaker 2>So what was the what was your what was your

0:52:54.040 --> 0:52:58.719
<v Speaker 2>weapon of choice when you are making these beats?

0:52:58.920 --> 0:53:00.680
<v Speaker 1>Like, what did you did you start off.

0:53:00.520 --> 0:53:02.799
<v Speaker 7>On the three thousand and I got I went in

0:53:02.840 --> 0:53:05.879
<v Speaker 7>the store to get this NPC sixty or i'd kind

0:53:05.880 --> 0:53:08.120
<v Speaker 7>of saved up or I had enough for half of it,

0:53:08.520 --> 0:53:10.279
<v Speaker 7>and then I was like, I want to pay for

0:53:10.360 --> 0:53:12.839
<v Speaker 7>this on layaway or whatever it is. And he was like, well,

0:53:12.880 --> 0:53:14.600
<v Speaker 7>by the time you were ready to pay it off,

0:53:14.719 --> 0:53:18.560
<v Speaker 7>actually the NPC three thousand will be out. So so

0:53:18.760 --> 0:53:20.920
<v Speaker 7>I managed to get that. It was a year later

0:53:21.160 --> 0:53:26.400
<v Speaker 7>and I had made really archaic beats. My stepdad, you know,

0:53:26.440 --> 0:53:29.000
<v Speaker 7>being a musician, had a S nine hundred or a

0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:30.799
<v Speaker 7>kit I don't even know which one it was in

0:53:30.840 --> 0:53:36.440
<v Speaker 7>his stuff the rack mount and I made some really

0:53:36.520 --> 0:53:40.960
<v Speaker 7>like like really like rudimentary beats where I didn't know

0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:43.160
<v Speaker 7>how to adjust the time, but I knew that if

0:53:43.160 --> 0:53:45.560
<v Speaker 7>I could get the samples to be exactly the same

0:53:45.640 --> 0:53:47.719
<v Speaker 7>tempo and lent that if I just hit play on

0:53:47.800 --> 0:53:50.080
<v Speaker 7>both of them at the same time, I could kind

0:53:50.080 --> 0:53:52.839
<v Speaker 7>of make it work. And that's and someone was like

0:53:53.640 --> 0:53:55.200
<v Speaker 7>this kid that I was making beats for in my

0:53:55.200 --> 0:53:57.560
<v Speaker 7>school was like, you know, that's what djaying is, essentially,

0:53:57.600 --> 0:54:00.000
<v Speaker 7>like blending two things together on time. You would probably

0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:02.480
<v Speaker 7>like that, and so that was part of the reason

0:54:02.520 --> 0:54:04.399
<v Speaker 7>as well that I'm sure that I've kind of led

0:54:04.440 --> 0:54:07.160
<v Speaker 7>me to the path, But NPC three thousand was my

0:54:07.239 --> 0:54:08.440
<v Speaker 7>first beat machine.

0:54:09.239 --> 0:54:09.600
<v Speaker 1>Oh.

0:54:09.680 --> 0:54:15.120
<v Speaker 2>Also side note, speaking of your stepfather, this is he's

0:54:15.160 --> 0:54:18.640
<v Speaker 2>not to be mistaken for Mick Jones of the Clash.

0:54:18.840 --> 0:54:21.240
<v Speaker 7>Not to be another second, that's another Mick Jones.

0:54:21.480 --> 0:54:21.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:54:21.680 --> 0:54:25.440
<v Speaker 2>I was about to say, you got crazy Mick ronson

0:54:25.680 --> 0:54:28.320
<v Speaker 2>Mick Jones, the mc jones and the other mc jones.

0:54:28.440 --> 0:54:30.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, still legendary.

0:54:30.480 --> 0:54:33.160
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, I was going to say, because I was like,

0:54:33.200 --> 0:54:35.080
<v Speaker 2>wait a minute, you're not.

0:54:35.160 --> 0:54:37.680
<v Speaker 7>In the class, right, yeah, exactly.

0:54:37.400 --> 0:54:43.440
<v Speaker 2>Right, exactly, Okay, So would you would you say your

0:54:43.480 --> 0:54:45.520
<v Speaker 2>first steady client was Saigon?

0:54:46.760 --> 0:54:50.080
<v Speaker 7>He was the first, like I guess rapper. There are

0:54:50.080 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 7>some rappers from from my school, Like I went to

0:54:53.680 --> 0:54:56.520
<v Speaker 7>Vassar College for one year, uh, and there were some

0:54:56.600 --> 0:54:59.879
<v Speaker 7>rappers up there who I worked with, Lodi and Ian

0:55:00.080 --> 0:55:02.040
<v Speaker 7>lovely guys. And then I came back to the city

0:55:02.200 --> 0:55:04.600
<v Speaker 7>and someone introduced me to Saigon. So he was like

0:55:04.600 --> 0:55:06.560
<v Speaker 7>the first person that was like over my house, and

0:55:06.880 --> 0:55:10.759
<v Speaker 7>actually John Forte as well at this time as good

0:55:10.800 --> 0:55:14.600
<v Speaker 7>friends with John, and we had this weird production duo

0:55:14.719 --> 0:55:17.560
<v Speaker 7>called Epstein and Sons. I have no idea why we

0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:21.399
<v Speaker 7>called it Steine and Sons, and uh weird. He would

0:55:21.440 --> 0:55:24.719
<v Speaker 7>be over at my place all the time, and so yeah,

0:55:24.800 --> 0:55:27.480
<v Speaker 7>and then and then Sigon sometimes would bring down like

0:55:28.040 --> 0:55:31.560
<v Speaker 7>sticking and one from deb Present. I remember, for very

0:55:31.600 --> 0:55:34.799
<v Speaker 7>obvious reasons, being like very nervous when they came over

0:55:34.920 --> 0:55:38.480
<v Speaker 7>to my house. I don't know what they're gonna think

0:55:38.520 --> 0:55:41.400
<v Speaker 7>of me, and then also being slightly disappointed when they

0:55:41.440 --> 0:55:44.279
<v Speaker 7>weren't like horrible to me, like almost like standing in

0:55:44.280 --> 0:55:45.719
<v Speaker 7>the front sitting in the front road of at Don

0:55:45.800 --> 0:55:49.279
<v Speaker 7>Rickles concert and he doesn't insult she does? What then?

0:55:49.880 --> 0:55:52.960
<v Speaker 7>What is going on? That's why I paid for they

0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:56.120
<v Speaker 7>were They were they were. They were very very cool

0:55:56.160 --> 0:55:58.520
<v Speaker 7>and and patient with me because I really know now

0:55:58.520 --> 0:56:00.839
<v Speaker 7>that I didn't know what the fuck I was doing.

0:56:00.880 --> 0:56:06.879
<v Speaker 7>But the person that really plucked me from like just anonymity,

0:56:07.280 --> 0:56:09.279
<v Speaker 7>like just to kind of DJ was like djaying the

0:56:09.280 --> 0:56:12.360
<v Speaker 7>hot parties was our friend Dominic Chaneer.

0:56:12.520 --> 0:56:16.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and so tell the story of how that morphs

0:56:16.800 --> 0:56:20.680
<v Speaker 2>into you can I say that is Nikga like.

0:56:20.680 --> 0:56:25.640
<v Speaker 1>Your first like major work as a producer.

0:56:26.160 --> 0:56:28.160
<v Speaker 7>Of course by a country mile for sure.

0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:32.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, wow, so wait I worked on like your first production.

0:56:32.760 --> 0:56:36.320
<v Speaker 7>I was like, yeah, that's why I was so fucking spoiled.

0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:39.279
<v Speaker 7>I laugh about that, Like the first time we go

0:56:39.360 --> 0:56:41.600
<v Speaker 7>into the studio, it's like I've been in the studio.

0:56:41.680 --> 0:56:44.319
<v Speaker 7>It's like you and Pino and Jane. Somebody was just

0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:46.760
<v Speaker 7>saying like, don't get used to this, like I remember

0:56:46.800 --> 0:56:47.439
<v Speaker 7>that real.

0:56:47.680 --> 0:56:50.760
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, this this is one of those legendary moments

0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:54.680
<v Speaker 2>where where you know, like Electric Lady is just going

0:56:54.760 --> 0:56:57.319
<v Speaker 2>to be just an open house of whoever comes in,

0:56:57.560 --> 0:57:03.000
<v Speaker 2>and you know, it's it's not it's not normal for

0:57:03.200 --> 0:57:05.880
<v Speaker 2>a person to be generous and let like usually like

0:57:05.920 --> 0:57:07.960
<v Speaker 2>if someone finds a good sound in a good room

0:57:08.040 --> 0:57:08.919
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, they like.

0:57:08.920 --> 0:57:11.279
<v Speaker 1>Lock it down and they're like, no one else goes

0:57:11.320 --> 0:57:12.800
<v Speaker 1>in this room but us.

0:57:13.120 --> 0:57:15.959
<v Speaker 2>But it was almost like, you know, de was like, well,

0:57:16.120 --> 0:57:19.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, obviously if I say three pm, I'll be

0:57:19.520 --> 0:57:22.440
<v Speaker 2>here at seven or eight pm. So you know, whatever

0:57:22.520 --> 0:57:24.360
<v Speaker 2>y'all do in the daytime is cool with me as

0:57:24.400 --> 0:57:26.760
<v Speaker 2>long as that, you know, once I get there, so

0:57:26.800 --> 0:57:29.160
<v Speaker 2>we would just take advantage of all those early hours

0:57:29.560 --> 0:57:32.160
<v Speaker 2>and work on other things.

0:57:32.240 --> 0:57:32.760
<v Speaker 5>I kind of.

0:57:32.680 --> 0:57:35.760
<v Speaker 6>Feel like that album needs to be re released in

0:57:35.800 --> 0:57:38.200
<v Speaker 6>a way released, yeah, because I feel like there's a

0:57:38.200 --> 0:57:41.640
<v Speaker 6>whole generation of people who don't understand nick A Costa

0:57:42.040 --> 0:57:44.760
<v Speaker 6>killed that shit and didn't drop them like it was like,

0:57:44.800 --> 0:57:45.480
<v Speaker 6>I don't know that's what.

0:57:46.240 --> 0:57:49.880
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it was the twentieth anniversary like last week, and

0:57:49.920 --> 0:57:53.920
<v Speaker 7>I was like, doesn't get you know a lot of

0:57:54.440 --> 0:57:56.560
<v Speaker 7>a lot of people anytime that song comes up, people like,

0:57:56.600 --> 0:57:58.720
<v Speaker 7>oh yeah, fuck, I love that song. Was like my

0:57:59.440 --> 0:58:03.320
<v Speaker 7>fiance partner whatever included like people because it was in

0:58:03.360 --> 0:58:06.160
<v Speaker 7>the Hill Figure commercial and then everybody got there's something

0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:08.760
<v Speaker 7>you know ended up as the Yeah.

0:58:08.680 --> 0:58:10.120
<v Speaker 1>I was so have oft for you. That was my

0:58:10.160 --> 0:58:13.120
<v Speaker 1>favorite rong on that record. I love that song.

0:58:13.320 --> 0:58:16.680
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, no, she's she really wrote some wonderful songs on

0:58:16.680 --> 0:58:17.120
<v Speaker 7>that record.

0:58:18.120 --> 0:58:20.920
<v Speaker 2>So what was what was the collaboration process like with

0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:25.720
<v Speaker 2>you uh Nikka and I assume Justin also worked justin Stanley.

0:58:25.840 --> 0:58:28.920
<v Speaker 7>Yeah. So so Dom would come to the parties that

0:58:28.960 --> 0:58:31.520
<v Speaker 7>I would DJ, like Life and stuff, and he would

0:58:31.560 --> 0:58:33.680
<v Speaker 7>be like I'd be playing one of my regular sets.

0:58:33.680 --> 0:58:36.640
<v Speaker 7>I would be like Rufus, the Chaka Khan e p MD,

0:58:36.840 --> 0:58:39.520
<v Speaker 7>then the Biggie and then at the end maybe Seven

0:58:39.600 --> 0:58:41.560
<v Speaker 7>Nation Army or that probably wasn't even out yet, but

0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:43.680
<v Speaker 7>some kind of rock shit missed you by the Stones.

0:58:43.960 --> 0:58:46.040
<v Speaker 7>And he was like, He's like, I don't know if

0:58:46.040 --> 0:58:48.440
<v Speaker 7>you make music or not, but like I have this

0:58:48.520 --> 0:58:51.080
<v Speaker 7>singer and I just like, she's incredible. She has the

0:58:51.080 --> 0:58:52.800
<v Speaker 7>best voice, and all I know is that her record's

0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:54.600
<v Speaker 7>supposed to sound like this DJ set.

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<v Speaker 2>It's amazing that Dom saw something in you that was

0:58:58.440 --> 0:58:59.280
<v Speaker 2>Dom's real gift.

0:58:59.520 --> 0:59:00.520
<v Speaker 1>Dom was able to.

0:59:02.000 --> 0:59:04.800
<v Speaker 2>See something in you that you yourself wouldn't see. I would

0:59:04.840 --> 0:59:08.520
<v Speaker 2>almost say, like, you know, you know, like Puffy kind

0:59:08.520 --> 0:59:11.520
<v Speaker 2>of has that he can sell you the Brooklyn Bridge

0:59:11.520 --> 0:59:14.560
<v Speaker 2>thing against your will or I mean, there's something about

0:59:14.640 --> 0:59:18.080
<v Speaker 2>him that makes you say yes, even if it's like

0:59:18.080 --> 0:59:20.320
<v Speaker 2>like I know instantly when he calls the phone, I'm like, no,

0:59:20.360 --> 0:59:24.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm not doing this gig. I can't spend what's up, playboy?

0:59:24.760 --> 0:59:26.520
<v Speaker 2>We got we got magic to make. And then suddenly

0:59:26.560 --> 0:59:31.000
<v Speaker 2>you're like, yes, Dudy, I will do yeah, yeah, for

0:59:31.200 --> 0:59:34.120
<v Speaker 2>seventy off the price that I normally charge.

0:59:34.600 --> 0:59:36.440
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

0:59:36.480 --> 0:59:40.720
<v Speaker 2>But Dom also had Dom was just one of the

0:59:40.760 --> 0:59:44.520
<v Speaker 2>greatest motivational yes pushers.

0:59:44.560 --> 0:59:45.560
<v Speaker 1>Like he's the one.

0:59:45.360 --> 0:59:49.520
<v Speaker 2>That talked all that all the magic that came from

0:59:49.560 --> 0:59:54.120
<v Speaker 2>Electric Lady. Chances are Dom was there as the foundation

0:59:54.360 --> 0:59:55.840
<v Speaker 2>of YO do this idea?

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<v Speaker 7>So you know he he yes, he did, and he's

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<v Speaker 7>he's like, I'll come to your studios. Because I was

1:00:03.640 --> 1:00:06.720
<v Speaker 7>probably just like, yeah, I make beads or whatever. He's like,

1:00:06.800 --> 1:00:08.040
<v Speaker 7>let me come to your studios that we do. So

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<v Speaker 7>I had this little studio in my bedroom's apartment on

1:00:10.080 --> 1:00:12.600
<v Speaker 7>Sullivan Street and he was doing space Jam at the

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<v Speaker 7>time or it just finished it, and he was like,

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<v Speaker 7>I need a remix of Seal did Fly Like an Eagle?

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<v Speaker 7>And I need a hip hop remix, So why don't

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<v Speaker 7>we try. I think that was like just to see

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<v Speaker 7>if I could do anything. And yeah, and it was

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<v Speaker 7>not very good. And I tell you, I almost feel

1:00:26.760 --> 1:00:29.920
<v Speaker 7>like I can still remember him like almost like holding

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<v Speaker 7>my hand through like the production of this remix to

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<v Speaker 7>try and get me to make it better. Like I like,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, like I was doing these kind of STEVJ

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<v Speaker 7>puffy type drums, a lot of shakers, yeah, yeah, before

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<v Speaker 7>the top thing, yeah, all of it. And then and

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<v Speaker 7>but then somehow I must have done something that just

1:00:47.600 --> 1:00:50.760
<v Speaker 7>gave him a little more faith. And then a couple

1:00:50.720 --> 1:00:54.360
<v Speaker 7>of months later he brought Nika to my studio U

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<v Speaker 7>and I still didn't have the match for her musicality,

1:00:59.320 --> 1:01:01.960
<v Speaker 7>but then justin her husband came into the equation. It

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<v Speaker 7>was very musical and knew his way around a studio.

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<v Speaker 7>And then that was kind of the trio.

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<v Speaker 1>You were there for that, Steve, were you not? Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>I was there for the back. Yes, Rush rusted all

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<v Speaker 1>the work out.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm a secret sauce.

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<v Speaker 1>It's the same old story. He got the bacon, I

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<v Speaker 1>get it.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>No.

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<v Speaker 4>Those were very very cool sessions. I mean very memorable

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<v Speaker 4>for me because I was just starting out too, and

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<v Speaker 4>the music was so good, so happy to be because

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<v Speaker 4>I had to do all kinds of different sessions where

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<v Speaker 4>the music was of varying degrees of quality.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's say, I was about to say, if you're an

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<v Speaker 2>engineer on a session that of a song you don't like,

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<v Speaker 2>then I don't even know what that's like for a person,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, just to be held against

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<v Speaker 2>their will listening to a song where shit ain't good,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not good at all. Yeah, I remember, like my

1:02:01.640 --> 1:02:04.760
<v Speaker 2>favorite was just because man, that that shit could still be.

1:02:05.680 --> 1:02:06.680
<v Speaker 1>That shit could.

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<v Speaker 2>Come out tomorrow and I'd still ride for that thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's also one of my favorite. I would probably

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<v Speaker 2>say that's probably if I were to compile a top

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<v Speaker 2>five of like my drumming performance, because the thing is,

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<v Speaker 2>the weird thing is is that I'm serving the song

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<v Speaker 2>so much that I'd never get to not have fun

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<v Speaker 2>but just be be myself. I don't know if it's

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<v Speaker 2>like me being tofu like I have to bend to

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<v Speaker 2>the will of what the song sounds is. Yeah, and

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<v Speaker 2>just because usually if I wind up sounding like Steve Faron,

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<v Speaker 2>that's more like the natural me, Like, that's not me

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<v Speaker 2>trying to sound like a break beat or me trying

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<v Speaker 2>to redo this beat or not get kicked off my

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<v Speaker 2>own song because it doesn't sound.

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<v Speaker 1>Hip hop enough or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's but I'll yeah, I'll say that just because

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<v Speaker 2>it was was one of my Probably i'd put that

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<v Speaker 2>in my top five, Like drum sounds that I actually

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<v Speaker 2>that I dig I.

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<v Speaker 7>Need to listen back. I remember Billy Preston came in

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<v Speaker 7>and we were really excited for him to play piano

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<v Speaker 7>on it, like that was the whole thing. And he

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<v Speaker 7>came into the studio and we were like wow, and

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<v Speaker 7>he just like sat down and listened to the whole thing.

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, nah, the demo piano is pretty good

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<v Speaker 7>and she's like, no, no, that's just something that I

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<v Speaker 7>just played like just for you. Go I don't hear

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<v Speaker 7>I'll play some clad though, and like that was it.

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<v Speaker 7>There was like no talk. We were just so psyched,

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<v Speaker 7>like Billy Press is gonna play piano this thing and

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<v Speaker 7>he was just like, no, play some clap for you.

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<v Speaker 1>How long was it until.

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<v Speaker 2>You got a chance to work on I'm about to

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<v Speaker 2>say the OUI record, not OUI your You're here, Here

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<v Speaker 2>comes the Fuzz, your first solo job.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that was basically off the back of Nika's album.

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<v Speaker 7>There was like a lot of buzz about it just

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<v Speaker 7>before it came out, and it was in this hill

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<v Speaker 7>Figure commercial and I had this little moment of like,

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<v Speaker 7>you know it's there. It's never better than the moment

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<v Speaker 7>just before the record comes out, because it's just like

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<v Speaker 7>the possibilities are endless and you look just look like it,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, that's whatever. So I got this deal with

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<v Speaker 7>Electra Records that thing at the time, because you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I had a little name as a DJ, nowhere near

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<v Speaker 7>like the name recognition of the Clues and the Flexes

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<v Speaker 7>and the people that were getting those big mixtape deals.

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<v Speaker 7>But I also had this record that people were excited

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<v Speaker 7>about and like a feather and the slightly new sound.

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<v Speaker 7>So I got this deal and then uh then it

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<v Speaker 7>took me a year to make that record, and that

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<v Speaker 7>came out in two thousand and three, and I got

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<v Speaker 7>dropped a week after the album came out because it's wow, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>pretty much got dropped. Like the record, I think they

1:04:53.720 --> 1:04:55.200
<v Speaker 7>spent a lot of money on it. I had a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of big cameos on it, they did, but I

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<v Speaker 7>think that it just you know, did it charted in

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<v Speaker 7>England where it was sort of like, you know, number

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<v Speaker 7>twelve or something, But yeah, I was gonna say I

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<v Speaker 7>heard it again in Europe? Yes, a lot in Europe.

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<v Speaker 7>It was big enough to make a little dent there.

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<v Speaker 7>But no, I remember having to pay out of my

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<v Speaker 7>own pocket to get Nate Dogg and ghost Face to

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<v Speaker 7>come out to do the Craig Kilbourn show because at

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<v Speaker 7>that point, like a week later, lecture just like closed

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<v Speaker 7>the close the budget.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, So how did you at least at that point,

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<v Speaker 2>I think this that The Fuzz came out with like

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and two, two thousand and three, three, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it was like around okay, So at that point, like

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<v Speaker 2>were you your own point person Like did you know

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<v Speaker 2>Rivers Cuomo and Jack White and like all the people

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<v Speaker 2>that were on that that first secord.

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<v Speaker 7>For the most part, the people that I didn't really

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<v Speaker 7>know personally were Rivers Cuomo and Jack White because they

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<v Speaker 7>were sort of more from rock world and Jack was

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<v Speaker 7>in Detroit and Rivers's la that wasn't but anybody else

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<v Speaker 7>that could kind of call because of b you know,

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<v Speaker 7>just being in the New York clubs for so long.

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<v Speaker 7>And I even remember when Yes Seen Then Most came

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<v Speaker 7>and we did our song. We were like, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>what sounds so good on this mop, Like wouldn't it

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<v Speaker 7>be cool if it was just like the seventies when

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<v Speaker 7>like Eric Clapton would call up like Dwayne Allman and

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<v Speaker 7>be like come down and play on this thing. I

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<v Speaker 7>was like, well, let's just try and call them and

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<v Speaker 7>see if they'll they'll come. So we were like called

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<v Speaker 7>Lai's or whatever. The manager. And then they did come.

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<v Speaker 7>They just they came three days later. We just didn't know.

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<v Speaker 7>I was still waiting in the studio. They came Sunday afternoon.

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<v Speaker 7>But you know it was amazing. But no, all the

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<v Speaker 7>people Freeway, Sean Paul, these were just people that I

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<v Speaker 7>somehow had a relationship with from just like one degree

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<v Speaker 7>of separation from the clubs or just like I knew them,

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<v Speaker 7>you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, when did uh?

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<v Speaker 3>When did because around the time, but I mean I

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<v Speaker 3>knew you're the stuff you did with Niak and everything.

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<v Speaker 3>But around the time that I came became familiar with

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<v Speaker 3>you with the hip hop stuff was with Saigon Us

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<v Speaker 3>I had to done Didnt record and then also with

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<v Speaker 3>ron Fest.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah how did how did?

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<v Speaker 1>How did all that come about?

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<v Speaker 7>We used to play the Foreign Exchange Records so much

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<v Speaker 7>on the tour.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 7>Loved it. That came about through uh my friend Ron

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<v Speaker 7>minor DJ Indiana Jones, who you know in the past. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I know. Yeah, it's crazy when you start talking all

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<v Speaker 7>these people that just don't seem that far away in

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<v Speaker 7>your life. They're not with us. But anyway, Ron was

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<v Speaker 7>Ryan Fest was Chicago, but was living in Indianapolis at

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<v Speaker 7>the time, and and Ron but I knew, and it

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<v Speaker 7>brought him to New York and we just started hanging out.

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<v Speaker 7>I just loved the way that he just like he

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<v Speaker 7>just liked all this weird other ship too, because I'm

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<v Speaker 7>not very good at making straight up the middle of music,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, to a fault. I can't like pick a

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<v Speaker 7>genre even within one song. But me and Ryan Fest

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<v Speaker 7>had a lot of funny together, and then he kind

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<v Speaker 7>of came on the road, and then we had a

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<v Speaker 7>labels we put out his record and yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, was Alito?

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<v Speaker 3>Was that the only was his record the only record

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<v Speaker 3>that came out on that label?

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<v Speaker 1>Or did y'all put out anything else?

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<v Speaker 7>Daniel Merriweather right, and the first album Wait a minute, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I forgot before he went into may Back. Everyone was

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<v Speaker 7>way better after they left us. No, Daniel Mary, Daniel

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<v Speaker 7>Marray that sold a lot of records.

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<v Speaker 1>His love and War that was that was yours? Right?

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<v Speaker 1>War was on you there?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, James Saw was my I love that song so coolly,

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<v Speaker 7>you know that's great. Daniel would love listening to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, damn, this is killing me now because

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<v Speaker 2>I was under the impression. Okay, I'll admit there's a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of like transparency admissions by quest Love this episode. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>of course, I when I saw your label name, I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't for some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>I just it just read dildo to me. Wow, But

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't. I didn't expect that coming.

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<v Speaker 2>But the thing is is that when I read it again,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, all I do because he probably

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<v Speaker 2>loves it for Stevie won the record.

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<v Speaker 1>What is the name of your label?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, that's the thing. It was all I do for

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<v Speaker 7>the Stevie song. But the first records that Saigon, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>put out a few signals with us, and he would

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<v Speaker 7>just yell out Alito, like at the end of the song.

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<v Speaker 7>We're like, okay, well the first person who said our

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<v Speaker 7>name is public record has already said Alito, you know

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<v Speaker 7>it's not a great.

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<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what it was. I heard him say it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And that's why I thought the label name was

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<v Speaker 3>because Brian Face will hol it to Alito.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, it's it's not a good sign when the

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<v Speaker 7>people within the label can't even agree how to pronounce

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<v Speaker 7>this the you know, the title, so you know that's

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<v Speaker 7>how it was.

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<v Speaker 5>But how did you say it Mark.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what was the why'd you name it that?

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<v Speaker 7>It's so I don't know because dildo was already taken.

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<v Speaker 7>So I just love the TV song and I should

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<v Speaker 7>have just made everybody commit to one pronunciation that's correct.

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<v Speaker 1>I was correct.

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<v Speaker 2>It is all I Doah, Okay, I was getting worried

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<v Speaker 2>about myself for a second. I was like, damn, I

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<v Speaker 2>have it wrong.

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<v Speaker 6>The whole time when music Soul Child album came out,

1:10:25.160 --> 1:10:27.560
<v Speaker 6>was you mad? Because it was like everybody got those.

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<v Speaker 7>Just what But for some reason, I love I love

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<v Speaker 7>the idea of like this kind of like bad like

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<v Speaker 7>nerdous comedy sketch, of like mispronouncing all the word famous

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<v Speaker 7>famous rap labels. So it's like I'd like to play

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<v Speaker 7>this record by good Boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wait, that's another see I wish I'm paying Bill

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<v Speaker 1>was here. It just hit me.

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to figure out remember when we were

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out what a Manda Green was, like

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<v Speaker 2>the Prince way of writing things out, and it's called

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<v Speaker 2>a Manda Green.

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<v Speaker 7>I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was trying to figure out who's the king of

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<v Speaker 2>Manda Greens now? And that's yeah, that's music Soul Child's

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<v Speaker 2>lame music unpaid bill is not here for that, all right.

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<v Speaker 7>So with hashtags, my mom's hashtags on Instagram are just

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<v Speaker 7>like crazy run on sentences that are just wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So Mark two thousand and six, Man, I mean I

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<v Speaker 2>probably told you this story before, but to even the

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<v Speaker 2>amount of paralyzed producers that sat and tried.

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<v Speaker 1>To figure this shit out.

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<v Speaker 2>When we got back to black and I got a

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<v Speaker 2>call from Jazzy, I didn't get a call.

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<v Speaker 1>I was.

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<v Speaker 2>I was in Barcelona and Jazzy Jeff Instant messaged me

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<v Speaker 2>whatever AOL instant message and he's like, man, I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Depressed, and he's like what, He's like, Ronson's King. I

1:12:03.760 --> 1:12:05.800
<v Speaker 1>was like huh. And then he sent me.

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<v Speaker 2>The fiul to the album and literally the I called

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<v Speaker 2>it and I was like, wait, who produced this? And

1:12:16.439 --> 1:12:20.320
<v Speaker 2>he says Mark Ronson. I said no, no, no DJ

1:12:20.439 --> 1:12:24.760
<v Speaker 2>Mark Ronson. He's like, yes, that Mark Ronson. No DJ Mark,

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<v Speaker 2>like you know NBC sixty with the New York Knicks

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<v Speaker 2>beats that Mark Ronson.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like yes. And I was just frozen. Yo.

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<v Speaker 2>I sat until showtime. I sat in that room and

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<v Speaker 2>listened to that album for seven hours.

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<v Speaker 1>So how did.

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<v Speaker 2>You connect with Amy at the time, like he just

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<v Speaker 2>explained the working relationship.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, like, well, I remember just saw that Jazzy Jeff thing.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember this because records weren't so global then, they

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<v Speaker 7>didn't just blow up like this, So like I didn't

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<v Speaker 7>know if people in America had heard the album yet.

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<v Speaker 7>And I remember being about to board a plane in

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<v Speaker 7>some airports somehow, and there was a message from Jazzy

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<v Speaker 7>Jeff and I heard on my phone and he goes, yo, Mark,

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<v Speaker 7>this is Jeff. He had never called me before, but

1:13:11.160 --> 1:13:13.960
<v Speaker 7>you know we were cool, and he was like, which

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<v Speaker 7>you just did, like everybody's fucking with this, Like that

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<v Speaker 7>was the first call I got from one of my

1:13:19.080 --> 1:13:21.280
<v Speaker 7>peers or someone I looked up to. Was this affirmation

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<v Speaker 7>of the record. It meant so much. I remember exactly.

1:13:24.160 --> 1:13:26.000
<v Speaker 7>I was standing outside looking at the window at the

1:13:26.040 --> 1:13:28.799
<v Speaker 7>planes on the ground when I listened to that message

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<v Speaker 7>from Jeff. That's how like much it meant to me.

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<v Speaker 7>But to go back, so I met Amy because I

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<v Speaker 7>had had a little bit of you know, heat off

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<v Speaker 7>of that we record in England, just people kind of

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<v Speaker 7>knew where I was. And Guy Moot, who was the

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<v Speaker 7>head of EMI Music Publishing at the time, amazing air

1:13:47.160 --> 1:13:50.800
<v Speaker 7>cool guy called me and he said, hey, Amy Winehouse

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<v Speaker 7>is in is in New York for a couple of days.

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<v Speaker 7>You want to meet with her? And I didn't have

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<v Speaker 7>fucking shit else going on anyway, but I was like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I remember that girl because I because Made You Look

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<v Speaker 7>is one of my favorite tracks of all time. And

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<v Speaker 7>I loved her song in my bed. I used to

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<v Speaker 7>play it, you know, in the sets here. And she

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<v Speaker 7>came to the studio and I met her, and I

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<v Speaker 7>actually met her at the front door, and uh, she

1:14:15.520 --> 1:14:17.120
<v Speaker 7>came up the same time and she was like, yeah,

1:14:17.120 --> 1:14:18.720
<v Speaker 7>I'm here to see Mark Ronson. I was like, yeah,

1:14:18.760 --> 1:14:22.400
<v Speaker 7>I'm Mark and she goes, no, no like Mark Ronson.

1:14:22.439 --> 1:14:25.880
<v Speaker 7>I was like, no, no, I am him, and she goes,

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<v Speaker 7>I thought you were like an old guy with a

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<v Speaker 7>bid or something like. I think she just like probably

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<v Speaker 7>heard my name for longer, like thought I was somebody

1:14:33.840 --> 1:14:36.080
<v Speaker 7>or whatever it was old guy. Yeah, just like a

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<v Speaker 7>different like an older producer or something.

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<v Speaker 2>So you were Mick Ronson, Yeah, that's it exactly, or

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<v Speaker 2>Rick exactly.

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<v Speaker 7>So we like when and we went and sat in

1:14:47.040 --> 1:14:50.040
<v Speaker 7>Lapang coutiden On Grand and Mercer and we just talked

1:14:50.080 --> 1:14:51.800
<v Speaker 7>for a minute. I instantly liked it because she was

1:14:51.800 --> 1:14:54.680
<v Speaker 7>so funny, I mean, you know, and uh, we came

1:14:54.760 --> 1:14:57.000
<v Speaker 7>up into my room, and you know, usually at that

1:14:57.040 --> 1:14:59.360
<v Speaker 7>point it was this thing where I'd play beats for people,

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<v Speaker 7>do you like this?

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<v Speaker 1>You like this?

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<v Speaker 7>But the minute she started talking about music, I just

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<v Speaker 7>knew that I had nothing near what she was talking about.

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<v Speaker 7>But it was so exciting, and I said, what kind

1:15:08.320 --> 1:15:10.200
<v Speaker 7>of record do you want to make? Because she says, well,

1:15:10.400 --> 1:15:12.400
<v Speaker 7>they play this stuff down at my local, like the

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<v Speaker 7>Shangri Laws and stuff. So we listened to it and

1:15:15.240 --> 1:15:17.519
<v Speaker 7>it's maybe a little familiar with something from like a

1:15:17.560 --> 1:15:22.120
<v Speaker 7>Scorsese film, but that wasn't my shit. And then I

1:15:22.160 --> 1:15:25.040
<v Speaker 7>was like, well, listen, I don't have anything like that,

1:15:25.200 --> 1:15:28.439
<v Speaker 7>but if you come back tomorrow, like, let me just

1:15:28.439 --> 1:15:30.200
<v Speaker 7>fuck around tonight and come back and see if there's

1:15:30.200 --> 1:15:31.760
<v Speaker 7>anything you like. So I stayed up all night and

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<v Speaker 7>I was like running around in this live room back here,

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<v Speaker 7>I say, with every fucking instrument, And I came up

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<v Speaker 7>with the chords on the piano for back to Black,

1:15:39.160 --> 1:15:41.960
<v Speaker 7>and I just put a little like kick and tambourine

1:15:41.960 --> 1:15:43.960
<v Speaker 7>on it and put a fucking reverb on everything, because

1:15:44.000 --> 1:15:46.120
<v Speaker 7>I was like, oh, that's she likes this shit, that's

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<v Speaker 7>what it sounds like. And she came back the next

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<v Speaker 7>morning and I was I was like nervous, but I

1:15:51.880 --> 1:15:54.000
<v Speaker 7>was also so delirious from being up all night, like

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<v Speaker 7>lack of sleep, working on this thing. And she sat

1:15:56.439 --> 1:15:57.960
<v Speaker 7>behind me and I just kind of hit play. I

1:15:58.000 --> 1:15:59.360
<v Speaker 7>was like, yeah, I made this thing last night, what

1:15:59.360 --> 1:16:01.320
<v Speaker 7>do you think? And she just kind of had her

1:16:01.360 --> 1:16:04.840
<v Speaker 7>head down like this, and and then it finished and

1:16:04.920 --> 1:16:08.320
<v Speaker 7>she just looks up and she goes, yeah, I love it.

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<v Speaker 7>I want my whole fucking album to sound like this,

1:16:10.479 --> 1:16:12.880
<v Speaker 7>because she never had to. I wasn't even a poker face.

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<v Speaker 7>She just never was gonna like gush. She didn't, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>that wasn't her hard thing. And so she like took

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<v Speaker 7>the CD, ran in the back room, wrote like the

1:16:22.600 --> 1:16:27.040
<v Speaker 7>words and the everything in like an hour, and and

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<v Speaker 7>she stayed in New York an extra five days so

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<v Speaker 7>we could do the rest of the songs and demo them.

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<v Speaker 7>And then I was using every plug in in the

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<v Speaker 7>book to try and make it sound old. I didn't

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<v Speaker 7>know what the fuck I was doing. And just about

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<v Speaker 7>that time I had met Dave Guy and he had

1:16:42.640 --> 1:16:44.599
<v Speaker 7>been playing on some other stuff I was doing. I'd

1:16:44.600 --> 1:16:47.280
<v Speaker 7>started to do this version record of these covers, so

1:16:47.320 --> 1:16:50.439
<v Speaker 7>they were playing. I didn't know how to record a band.

1:16:50.439 --> 1:16:52.880
<v Speaker 7>I could barely just record a horn section. So they

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<v Speaker 7>had just played me this Verizon commercial they had done

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<v Speaker 7>with Sharon Jones that was like a cover of Sin

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<v Speaker 7>Sealed Delivered or something like that, and I was blown away.

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<v Speaker 7>I was like, wait, you guys made this like like today,

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<v Speaker 7>Like how this you know, this sounds old. I don't

1:17:08.120 --> 1:17:11.240
<v Speaker 7>understand how this happened. Like, yeah, it's Gabe Man, He's

1:17:11.240 --> 1:17:13.400
<v Speaker 7>a genius engineers the guys, and we plan this is

1:17:13.400 --> 1:17:17.040
<v Speaker 7>our other band. So I asked Amy. I played it

1:17:17.080 --> 1:17:19.640
<v Speaker 7>for Amy. I was like, Yo, this shit sounds incredible, right,

1:17:19.680 --> 1:17:23.080
<v Speaker 7>we let me go ask this band to play these demos,

1:17:23.080 --> 1:17:25.479
<v Speaker 7>these songs have been working on. She said. I played

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<v Speaker 7>it for She goes, yeah, it's the nuts, Like that

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<v Speaker 7>was her expression if something was really good. She liked

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<v Speaker 7>that fucking Verizon commercial, whatever it is.

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<v Speaker 2>So then talking about by that point, you'd never heard

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<v Speaker 2>of Sharon Jones and the dap Kings and just that

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<v Speaker 2>whole underground Brooklyn E.

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<v Speaker 7>I knew this stuff. I'm pure because I had sampled

1:17:42.800 --> 1:17:45.439
<v Speaker 7>something off there on my first record, so something else

1:17:45.479 --> 1:17:47.839
<v Speaker 7>they had done. But I didn't really know the Brooklyn scene,

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<v Speaker 7>and because I got dropped from my label rather unceremoniously

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<v Speaker 7>a week after my album came out. Apparently some of

1:17:55.479 --> 1:17:57.519
<v Speaker 7>the samples hadn't been paid for either. So when I

1:17:57.560 --> 1:18:01.200
<v Speaker 7>finally met Gabe, bro oh, wait, did you.

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<v Speaker 1>Do brand new from Rhymfest?

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<v Speaker 7>No? No, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Joint.

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, I was walking past the Mercury Lounge. I probably

1:18:12.120 --> 1:18:13.960
<v Speaker 7>knew that somehow how it's gonna get in touch with

1:18:13.960 --> 1:18:15.880
<v Speaker 7>the Dap Kings. I didn't really know, and it said

1:18:15.920 --> 1:18:19.320
<v Speaker 7>tonight Sharon Jones and the Dapkings. I was like, fuck,

1:18:19.400 --> 1:18:21.360
<v Speaker 7>these are the guys I'm looking for, you know. So

1:18:21.400 --> 1:18:24.080
<v Speaker 7>I walk in up the street and Gabe's kind of

1:18:24.120 --> 1:18:27.200
<v Speaker 7>like closing up his bass. The gig is over. I'm like, hey,

1:18:27.479 --> 1:18:29.519
<v Speaker 7>I start talking a mile a minute, probably trying to

1:18:29.520 --> 1:18:31.799
<v Speaker 7>give him the seal and da da da he like clicks.

1:18:31.840 --> 1:18:34.439
<v Speaker 7>He's like, I need the guy that sampled. Yeah, I

1:18:34.520 --> 1:18:37.479
<v Speaker 7>never got paid for that song that you sampled from

1:18:37.560 --> 1:18:40.559
<v Speaker 7>your record. I was like, I'll definitely take care of that. Yeah,

1:18:40.560 --> 1:18:43.400
<v Speaker 7>I'm so sorry, and like can you just come and

1:18:43.479 --> 1:18:45.280
<v Speaker 7>like if can I play these demos and like if

1:18:45.320 --> 1:18:47.040
<v Speaker 7>you like him, maybe like we works on the out

1:18:47.040 --> 1:18:50.000
<v Speaker 7>and we could do the recorded And so I think

1:18:50.040 --> 1:18:53.759
<v Speaker 7>Gabe just relented eventually and he came to my studio

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<v Speaker 7>a couple of days later. Amy was already back in

1:18:56.360 --> 1:19:00.920
<v Speaker 7>London and I played the demos and Gabe was like, Okay, well,

1:19:00.920 --> 1:19:02.800
<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna have to check with Homer. Like Homer it's

1:19:02.840 --> 1:19:04.280
<v Speaker 7>hard for him to get someone to watch his dog

1:19:04.320 --> 1:19:06.360
<v Speaker 7>a lot of the time, Like he's thick caroly, like

1:19:06.720 --> 1:19:09.200
<v Speaker 7>they're sewing their own world. He wasn't caught up. There

1:19:09.200 --> 1:19:12.240
<v Speaker 7>was anotherhing that would have enticed about money. I think

1:19:12.280 --> 1:19:15.000
<v Speaker 7>he always found and he said this before the Amy

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<v Speaker 7>songs quite intense emotionally and like a little down and

1:19:18.200 --> 1:19:21.439
<v Speaker 7>there music is so uplifting and soulful that like he

1:19:21.600 --> 1:19:25.160
<v Speaker 7>also wasn't quite sure about like the lyrics and stuff.

1:19:25.200 --> 1:19:27.400
<v Speaker 7>You know, it wasn't really his thing. He's a very pure,

1:19:27.960 --> 1:19:31.160
<v Speaker 7>like instinctual guy, Gabe. But we got it together and

1:19:32.520 --> 1:19:35.760
<v Speaker 7>we cut. Amy wasn't here, but I had all her

1:19:35.840 --> 1:19:39.160
<v Speaker 7>vocals from the demos on a CDJ that I brought

1:19:39.200 --> 1:19:42.000
<v Speaker 7>to the studio. And the band, you know, doesn't play

1:19:42.040 --> 1:19:44.880
<v Speaker 7>to click. So the band would start and I would

1:19:44.960 --> 1:19:48.439
<v Speaker 7>run Amy's a Cappella on a CDJ, speeding it up

1:19:48.479 --> 1:19:51.360
<v Speaker 7>and slowing it down with the band so they could

1:19:51.360 --> 1:19:55.000
<v Speaker 7>hear the vocal while they track, like you know, so

1:19:55.120 --> 1:19:57.040
<v Speaker 7>you so you're pitch it, well not pitch, but you

1:19:57.320 --> 1:20:01.240
<v Speaker 7>change the tempo with the temple so they hear her

1:20:01.320 --> 1:20:05.200
<v Speaker 7>voice while they're tracking. From the demo, and the one

1:20:05.320 --> 1:20:07.800
<v Speaker 7>song I really didn't have an arrangement that I liked

1:20:07.920 --> 1:20:10.880
<v Speaker 7>for was you know I'm No Good. I kind of

1:20:10.960 --> 1:20:12.479
<v Speaker 7>hated it, and I didn't know what to do with

1:20:12.720 --> 1:20:15.719
<v Speaker 7>those chords because it was kind of like it reminded

1:20:15.800 --> 1:20:19.200
<v Speaker 7>me of like a Spanish flamencoy thing because of the chords,

1:20:19.240 --> 1:20:21.400
<v Speaker 7>and I had this very on the nose beat that

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<v Speaker 7>was like boom got bud herd dunt dun dud dun

1:20:28.760 --> 1:20:31.800
<v Speaker 7>dun jun ja. And I remember just playing that one

1:20:31.840 --> 1:20:33.519
<v Speaker 7>for the band we had already done Back to Black

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<v Speaker 7>and some of the other shit. I was confident enough

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<v Speaker 7>to be like, I hate this thing that I did.

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<v Speaker 7>Can you guys just think of like anything cooler to

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<v Speaker 7>just play right there? And I think like three seconds

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<v Speaker 7>home where Nick looked at each other and I was

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<v Speaker 7>just like, how about doom did you do?

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<v Speaker 1>Doom? June?

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<v Speaker 7>Doom? Doom did you do do? And I just remember

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<v Speaker 7>just being like, this is one of the greatest moments

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<v Speaker 7>of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it. I know you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So you did all the tracking at Daptone Studios.

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<v Speaker 7>The reason I'm coming off the mic is because I

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<v Speaker 7>remember I just found because these are the lyrics to

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<v Speaker 7>back to Black, how she wrote them in the background,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's got these are going to a museum and

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<v Speaker 7>ship but like just for the last couple of days

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<v Speaker 7>I get to hold on to him. But yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 7>even got like a phone number of this guy like

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<v Speaker 7>Broncas who used to do this thing last night's party,

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<v Speaker 7>so she must have got his number the night before

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<v Speaker 7>and all the other ship.

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<v Speaker 1>That is amazing.

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<v Speaker 5>Man, What museum is it going to be in?

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<v Speaker 7>Oh? Anybody who wants it? I mean, I'm just I

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<v Speaker 7>just realized, like I found these rather recently, and I

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<v Speaker 7>just realized that I do not need to have these.

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<v Speaker 7>These need to be somewhere where people can see it,

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<v Speaker 7>enjoy it. Yeah, got okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to ask mart Man what was the what

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<v Speaker 3>were your thoughts on the Amy documentary, the one that uh,

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<v Speaker 3>the one that came.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw it in theater.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't remember the name of it years ago, but yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was just It might have been just Amy.

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<v Speaker 3>What were your thoughts on that and do you think

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<v Speaker 3>that captured in your opinion, you know who she really

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<v Speaker 3>was as a person.

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<v Speaker 7>I remember the first hour of it. I was just

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<v Speaker 7>in love with it because you got all of the

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<v Speaker 7>joy of Amy, all the humor, the wit, like the talent.

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<v Speaker 7>I hadn't even really understood how amazing the lyrics to

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<v Speaker 7>songs like fuck Me pumps and stuff on the first

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<v Speaker 7>album that I wasn't that familiar was. Until I saw that,

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<v Speaker 7>I was like wow, and it was like spending time

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<v Speaker 7>with an old friend. The second half is very hard

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<v Speaker 7>to watch, but I thought it was well done. I

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<v Speaker 7>have a little bit of a problem relationship with it

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<v Speaker 7>because you know, Ray Cosbert and her dad are people

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<v Speaker 7>that I care about and that Amy cared a lot

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<v Speaker 7>about and probably wouldn't feel great about them being treated disparagingly.

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<v Speaker 7>But then it was also brutally on his film, so

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<v Speaker 7>I thought it was a very difficult to watch. I've

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<v Speaker 7>only seen it once, but I did think it was

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<v Speaker 7>a powerful film that was like I think as I

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<v Speaker 7>saw that scent of film, and I was like the

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<v Speaker 7>other documentary that guy made for us, and I was like,

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<v Speaker 7>this guy's gonna make a movie as weighty as her work,

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<v Speaker 7>Like I feel like she deserves a great filmmaker.

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<v Speaker 2>This is what I want to know, because you and

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<v Speaker 2>and Salaam sort of held the majority of the weight

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<v Speaker 2>of the album that production. Are you two comparing notes?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you hearing each other's demos? Because the thing is

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<v Speaker 2>is that sonically that album sounds, you know, it's seamless,

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<v Speaker 2>it's it's it's absolutely seamless.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know, how are you two even knowing what

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<v Speaker 1>the do you are you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>Even comparing notes? Like what the other is doing to

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<v Speaker 2>make it make it that way? And who sort of

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<v Speaker 2>gets the who's the fifty one percent of the forty nine?

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<v Speaker 2>Like who decides yea song order and all that stuff. Really,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm asking why was Addicted treated like a bastard step job?

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<v Speaker 2>I know that wasn't your song, but yeah, in the

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<v Speaker 2>London version, the album opens with Addicted.

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<v Speaker 7>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>In the American version, it's like the last song, like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the American version opens with Rehab and I'm like, wait, what, Like.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, because they're like Americans have short detention spans, we

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<v Speaker 7>have to I don't I really don't know. I'm sure.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm sure she had nothing to do with that either.

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<v Speaker 7>But yes, I think, to be fully honest, Solam and

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<v Speaker 7>had an incredible musical bond, and uh Slam has made

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<v Speaker 7>many of my favorite tracks, like Stone.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, just the fact that he bought you know

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<v Speaker 3>you said when you said your twelve inch was breaking

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<v Speaker 3>the dough, I'm like, man.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's fujila all of it. And but I think

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<v Speaker 7>that they were doing a similar thing, a little closer

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<v Speaker 7>to what they had been doing on on Frank and

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<v Speaker 7>they heard and Slam heard the demos. Amy said she

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<v Speaker 7>was very excited about it, and then Salam took it

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<v Speaker 7>into more of a live direction that maybe he would

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<v Speaker 7>have done anyway, but I think he was probably excited

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<v Speaker 7>to get to do that as well.

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<v Speaker 2>So initially his work was more contemporary and whatnot, and

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<v Speaker 2>then once you brought it to the sixties, then he

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<v Speaker 2>adjusted his music accordingly.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's what I've been told.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, okay, I get it.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, in a.

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<v Speaker 2>Year of highlights, like in two thousand and six, two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and seven, especially when you win Producer of the Year,

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<v Speaker 2>Like what's going through your mind as they're reading off

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<v Speaker 2>the nominations. And I mean by that point, were you

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<v Speaker 2>basically like I got this or no?

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<v Speaker 7>No, because it was still like, you know, Timbaland was up,

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<v Speaker 7>and I was like they could easily give it to

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<v Speaker 7>him for like a life service whatever. But you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not an idiot again and not going to pretend

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<v Speaker 7>like I know what ticks Grammy otis boxes and this

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<v Speaker 7>was like a record that really fell in that zone

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<v Speaker 7>because it had touches of the classics and the past,

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<v Speaker 7>and it's like a nod to the old school shit.

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<v Speaker 7>But no, I don't. I do remember I was very

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<v Speaker 7>hungover at the Grammys, which because I was just like

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<v Speaker 7>part like that was my first time at the rodeo.

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<v Speaker 7>Suddenly I kind of made it like I'm like high

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<v Speaker 7>fiving Rhianna some party the night before, like with my

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<v Speaker 7>stupid like beetles blowout bob or something that I was wearing.

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<v Speaker 7>But I was pretty hungover. It was very surreal. I

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<v Speaker 7>do remember when they read out Producer of the Year,

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<v Speaker 7>my friend had to like kind of like shake. It

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<v Speaker 7>was like hey, they said your name, like you know,

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<v Speaker 7>like it's in the movie, but the Grammys themselves. I

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<v Speaker 7>took my mom and you know, we sat next to

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<v Speaker 7>each other. Obviously it was my first time there, but like,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, there's no food, there's no water, you're hungover.

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<v Speaker 7>It's like there, you know, it's basically like sitting next

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<v Speaker 7>to my mom in synagogue on Yong Kapor. It's like

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<v Speaker 7>the same thing, or just like okay, when is this

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<v Speaker 7>gonna end?

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<v Speaker 1>But it was.

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<v Speaker 7>It was also a magical night.

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<v Speaker 1>Where do you keep your Grammys?

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<v Speaker 7>Right now? They're in storage